mars & moon debilitat

April 16, 2008

Dear Renu ji,I am not a historian. Just mentioned what we get to read in the papers. I am extremely sorry if I've touched a wrong chord. I know facts could be distorted and we could be far away from the truth...

Racial and ethnic conflicts can be very painful...we also face them here, everyday, in India. If only the whole humanity could live with love, peace and harmony//...But

hatred will not lead us anywhere. Only through love hatred can be

conquered. War is not the path to peace. Whether Tamil or Sinhalese

thousands of innocent lives are been sacrificed daily to keep the light

burning for the chosen Sinhala & Tamil politicians//....couldn't agree more Renu ji RegardsNeelam,_._,___

April 16, 2008

Dear membersSorry for interrupting a good and emotional discussion of Hariji and NeelamjiI think these stanzas are very important for all in this regard, and I have already posted this subject in other groups but did not received any sort of interest or acknowledgment from members. Hope this will find some useful to this august group!!"Dasaa prabhedena vichintaye Dhrudham Dhrudhetaram cha Ashtakavarga gocharaih |Dhrudhadhrudham yoga vashena chintaye diti tridha jatakasookshma sangraha || "As quoted by Govinda Bhattadri (1237-95AD) in his Dasadhyayi (a very great commentary on first ten

chapters of Brihatjatka) as words of Kalyana Verma in his Saravali. I am possessing two versions of this great work The meaning of this sloka is like this:Karma manifests in three forms : 1)Dhrudha Karma (strong, definite or fixed), which will operate through Dasas (paka-here the right context of Dasa suggested by Govinda Bhattadri and Kalyana Verma are not that of popular Vimsottari Satam or yogi, asttotari, as mentioned by Sage Parashar but that of Varahamihira which adopts Moola Dasa Paddhati) 2)Dhrudhetaram meaning Adhrudha Karma (indefinite, weak or movable), which will operate through transits i.e., Gochara via Ashtakavarga. Again, here he means not the bindus mentioned by Parashara but those given by Varahamihira. 3)Dhrudhadhrudham (medium, dual or mixed), which will operate through Yogas. Again, here he means not the

yogas mentioned by Parashara, but those yogas mentioned in BrihatjatakaThough Dasa, Ashtakavarga and Yogas mentioned by Parashara do form these basis for these three types of Karmas, but they are more comprehended by the methods or school adopted by Satyacharya and Garga endorsed by Varahamihira and implemented later followers of this school like Horasara's Pruthuyasa(son of Varahamihira), Kalyana Verma(Saravali), Bhattotpala(chintamani bhashya on Brihatjataka), Kesava, Sridhar, Sripati(Jatakalamkara), Guankar(Hora Makaranda), Punjaraja (Sambhu hora prakasha), Somayaji (Jatakadesha marga), Nrushimha Daivajna(Jataka sara deepa), Dundiraja (Jatakaabharanam). All these works are available with intact and all these scholars (if we study all these works) join the school of Varahamihira but not Parashara!!! All these works are available with meEntire philosophy of

Varahamihira's Brihatjatakam conveys or forms on one simple rule: It is called Rule of Three. Strong, Medium and Weak. If anyone carefully study Brihatjatakam with the help of these available works, he will sure agree that, Varahamihira is a great rationalistic thinker besides being a spiritual seeker, by framing the unseen force called Kala (Time) in a systematic method with an equation of RoTHope got the pointJai JaiminiJai VarahamihiraJairadhechandra_hari18 <chandra_hari18 Sent: Wednesday, 16 April, 2008 11:24:28 PM Re: mars & moon debilitat

Dear Neelam ji,

I don't see any lines which you say as I have crossed. If astrology is divine, there are no lines. Why are you obsessed with lines, Lakshmana rekhas in academic discussion?

You address the real issue I have raised? Why we astrologers fail in fixing the Lagna of a known personality? I am not pointing out your shortcoming or that of KN Rao who according to your statement had been tested many events of Hillary with the Mithuna Lagna chart.

Evading to explain that limitation, you are justifying the use of transits. You can't apply transits to someone in US - just because your imagination is propelling you to do so. Astrological reasoning is valid only when the Daivajna is prompted by an appropriate agency to look into someone's future. Astrological rules are not absolute that your guess work shall have any relevance to an individua living beyond seven seas.

First, define what is astrology? What is the role of divine in that? Whether the gimmicks that are being taught by a few unscrupulous guys for their publicity sake have any value as forming Jyotisha? I raised my cynical questions because your mumbo-jumbo adds nothing to people. You discussed Mars-Moon exchange as a bad combination. I s it so? None can have such absolute reading. Such yogas work based on the Kulam. I have been studying charts since 1985 and I have realized that such derivations of logic based on few examples say 'n' never work in the 'n+1' case. Why?

Jargon and prediction are different businesses. It is the BVB culture created by Rao to teach and publish mumbo jumbo which none can put into practice. Can you predict on a chart I give? Anything like Profession, Education, Career rise, kids anything like that with all the mumbo jumbo including the transit wisdom?

What the Mars will do by its transit into Cancer? Nothing. It is sheer chance that someone having Mars in Cancer may be somehow affected.. There will be 100 people with Mars in Cancer and having no effect on them.. What then is the use of such wisdom?

Did any classics say that such planetary transits spells bad? Where it is said that Mars transiting into Neecha rasi will have bad effect on the natives? It is your imagination that because Mars is getting debiliated he will cause something bad. Take Leo native with Mars in 12th in Cancer. Will the transit of Mars into Cancer cause bad things? Can you give such absolute judgments?

Please think over as to what is the kind of astrology you are trying to teach students? Make the students to think scientifically. How bias can be removed from understanding the charts, how careful we must be in drawing conclusions from few examples etc.

What did you illustrate with Hillary's chart? I could not understand. When you don't know the Lagna itself, what meaninful prediction can be made from transit?

In ancient times great men having mantra siddhi had been using such principles for divination to people who approached them. Transit does not make an independent division of Jyotisham. Jatakam, Prasnam, Nimittam etc are the branches of astrology. Not Gochara. You are teaching Gochara as if it is another branch of astrology.

chandra hari

ancient_indian_ astrology, "neelam gupta" <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Chandra Hari Ji,> > Namaste,> > Please excuse me for saying so...> > There is a very thin line between criticism and cynicismâ€¦> > Having gone through your work I had thought that you are an intelligent and> knowledgeable person with excellent analytical skills, though a bit more> critical than normal...which is healthy for any kind of knowledge to growâ€¦> Now I feel that you are crossing the lineâ€¦> > In your enthusiasm to be critical (or cynical?)â€¦ you tend to overlook the> context in which some technique or principle is being discussed.> > We've already had a discussion on winning or losing of Hillary Clinton.> Everyone knows how to apply transits. This chakra was just an added input.> This is a

learned group, and not a public rally that we're addressing here.> In such posts sometimes one mentions a solitary point which those who> understand are able to read in the right context.> > Your critical approach will cause a groundswell if you back it up with your> own valuable observations and readings....> > With a fragmented classical knowledge in hand and no easy ways to prove or> disprove theories, it is only our faith in divinity that keeps this study> alive. We must also remember that astrology, though we may try to prove> statistically, has an element of spirituality, beyond the compression of> most of us. It may not reveal itself fully through our pure statistical and> scientific approach.> > In my humble approach, I always stick to the basics as taught by the> classics, yet I can't be dogmatic...> > My apologies

again...> > Regards> > Neelam> > > > On 16/04/2008, leela madhav vrajleela@.. . wrote:> >> > Dear Chandra Hariji> > You are very right, we should study a horoscope with reliable data like> > birth time, query time etc or sun chart (the percentage of predictability> > decreases correspondingly)> > Well said> > Hope got the point> > Jairadhe> >> > > > chandra_hari18 chandra_hari18@ ...<chandra_hari18% 40>> > >> > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>> > Wednesday, 16 April, 2008 9:19:28 PM> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: mars & moon debilitate> >> > Dear Neelamji and Renuji,> >> >

Despite the details available of Hillary, why the astrologers are not> > sure of Lagna? Can't we decide whether she has the features of Budha in> > her (dominant) or of Venus? or between Gemini and Libra her lagna cannot> > be decided?> >> > What then is astrology? If one is not sure of birth lagna, why do we go> > into discussing Kuchera data? In no other science spurious data is used> > for research.> >> > Hillary's photo, Law education, Legal luminary by profession, First lady> > of white house, ... astrologers are not sure of Lagna! What a joke> > astrology is?> >> > chandra hari> >> > > >>

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