Genetics

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Dear Members,

A newspaper clipping, in continuation from my previous posts on Genetics_incest.

 

This story was found at: http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2008/04/07/1207420263586.html

 

Incest couple had another child

Daniel Emerson April 7, 2008 - 12:45PM

A South Australian woman who has an infant daughter after having sex with her father gave birth to another of his children seven years ago.

The child was conceived in Rockhampton, Queensland, but died a few days after birth because of a congenital heart disease, according to court records.

Jennifer Anne Deaves, 39, and John Earnest Deaves, 61, each pleaded guilty in the South Australian District Court on March 20 to two counts of performing an act of incest with the other.

Sentencing transcripts reveal that their daughter, Celeste, and Ms Deaves's two other children from a previous marriage were taken into care by South Australia's Department for Families and Communitiesbut had since been returned.

South Australian District Court judge Steven Millsteed took into account the pair's early guilty pleas and the "consensual nature of your relationship" and recorded a single conviction for each of them.

They were released on a $500 good behaviour bond.

According to the transcripts, Mr Deaves was married to Ms Deaves's mother about 40 years ago.

She divorced him when he was serving a prison sentence for armed robbery, while Ms Deaves was three or four years old.

Mr Deaves's former wife did not encourage contact between him and his daughter, and it was about 30 years before they resumed contact.

By about 2000, Mr Deaves was living with another wife and child at Yongala in South Australia and Ms Deaves was living with a former husband and two children, now nine and 11, in Sydney.

Ms Deaves took her two children to stay with Mr Deaves in 2000 for about three weeks, during which time they became attracted to each other but did not develop a physical relationship.

Later in the year Mr and Ms Deaves each ended their marriages and began living together and moved to Rockhampton.

The first count of incest related to the conception of the first child while the second related to their second, Celeste, who was born last year after the couple moved to Port Pirie in South Australia.

They then moved to Bordertown in South Australia where the couple attracted the attention of the Department for Families and Communities.

"The police subsequently investigated the matter. When interviewed by police you both made full admissions," Judge Millsteed told the pair during sentencing.

Judge Millsteed said the offences were "atypical" cases of incest.

"This is not a case where a father has violated his daughter and used his position of authority to take advantage of her powerlessness," he said.

"Rather, this is a case of a mutually consensual union, formed by adults, who had previously had little contact.

"However, the offence of incest exists not merely to protect children from sexual abuse. In my view, other relevant factors include the need to prevent the high risk of congenital defects of children born of incestuous relationships and to prevent children, who are brought up in a family unit founded on an incestuous relationship, suffering psychological harm and social stigmatisation. Those factors assume significance in this case."

Judge Millsteed acknowledged that as a condition of bail, Mr Deaves was banned from contacting Ms Deaves or her children but "this order has exacerbated your depression and caused you to attempt suicide on two occasions".

"I will not make it a condition of bond that you not see each other. In my view such a condition would be unfair," Judge Millsteed said.

The pair were banned from sexual contact with each other as part of their bond.

 

This story was found at: http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2008/04/07/1207420263586.html

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Dear Friends,Since both genetics and astrology are the subjects that I am meant to explore, I thought of sharing some of my thoughts with you all.

Astrology vs Genetics

The

deciphering of the human genetic map was considered as one of the greatest

technological feat by humankind. The scientific event was an occasion of

international celebration. Britain's Prime Minister Blair boasted about this scientific revolution as the first technological

triumph of this century. Bill Clinton's compared this discovery to Galileo's

map of the sky and said "Today, we are learning the language that allowed God

to create life" (do we see astrology here!). And went on to say, "By the spring

of this year, the first draft of the human genome – the sequence of all the

genetic instructions needed to make up a human being – will be published on the

internet.

Bill

Clinton, inadvertently points towards supernatural. It is possible that the

genome is that microscopic bundle which is passed down by a parent to the

single cell which is impacted by the stars in heaven? Do the stars drive this

pack of proteins which intern drives a person? Has the creator willed a

relationship between the genetic constitution and astrological configuration? Are

they one? Can we approach one to unfold the mysteries of the other and then life? Or they are

two complimentary principles needed to run life the way it does?

Astrology

and Genetics appear to be very related, yet have to be approached differently. While

both deal with individuals and their lives, and both hold the blueprint of an

individual, one lying in the heavens and another in the deeper recesses of a

cell. Genetics is inside-out approach, and astrology, an outside-in approach.

Both are

working on miniscule input, astrology on just a 'time' when an individual is born,

and genetics on a microscopic strand of DNA on which the book of life seems to

have been written. Both are struggling to unravel the secret codes wherein lies

the mystery of a being. How far each can go, that only time can tell.

Astrology

was once a developed science in some extremely advanced civilizations, but now

incomplete fragments remain in our hands. There was an era when it is said to

have reigned supreme and 'played god' and now scientists are using genetic

engineering in the labs to 'play god'.

Geneticists

have predicted that the genetic engineering in medical advances will solve many

health problems, create new drugs and thus help humankind to lead healthier and

longer lives. So far, none of these optimistic predictions have come true. The

discovery of DNA has been used to reinforce one of science's favorite

assertions - that we are the products of our parents' genes – for a DNA test.

Genetics

tells us that the key to our individuality and abilities lie in the 100

thousand or so genes that are in our 22 +1 sets of chromosomes. It tells us that

our abilities come from these genes. That is, we are, what we are - because of

our genes, and we inherit our genes directly from our parents. Astrology also

tells us the same thing. We are what our planets housed in 12 houses make us.

And do we see an inheritance pattern in the charts of parents and children?

Yes. There is proof to show that. In fact, there are striking similarities in

family horoscopes. And not only Rahu all planets play there respective roles.

While

genetics delves in the world of physical realm and things we can touch, see,

hear, taste or smell and is lost when it comes to things that we cannot use our

five senses to measure. Individuality, personality, energy level, mental

ability, etc are some of the things beyond genetics but within the periphery of

astrology. Hence genetics has been able to prove its bearing on physical

traits, such as the color of our skin, hair and eyes, our blood type, and many

other such physical ways. But astrology takes pride in showing exactly who we

are. The natal charts have a much more powerful and deeper influence on us than

our genes. When the two meet do we get a complete picture?

Our

genes determine our species, telling us that we are different from a dog, a

monkey or any other organism, but the astrological chart that decides our place

and individuality within our species and tells us how different we are in terms

of our personality, likes, dislikes, preferences and our relative abilities and

talents.

Now where and how do we see any convergence of genetics and astrology?

Astrology is basically the investigation of the future. And genetics is

investigation of what is today and what is its cause. Astrology shows us what

tomorrow will be. Between the two there is a huge gap.

Genetics has made us accept what astrology had been saying for ages,

that every man is born with built-in individuality. Genetics shows that when we

sow a seed, there must be some sort of built-in programme, a blueprint in it. Otherwise,

how would a specific tree develop out of this seed? Everything must be present within the seed

itself. There is never a mistake. Only a mango tree emerges from a mango kernel

and a neem tree from a neem seed; everything is repeated correctly. In this

tiny seed is stored all the information which relates to what the seed must do.

How it must sprout, what type of leaf, how many branches to produce, how big a

tree to become, for how long it will grow, how tall it will grow -- all this

must be hidden within the seed. Astrology has always been saying that!

Now genetics accepts and all of us have an in built programme that stores

in itself all the possibilities for us, color of our eyes, hair, height of our

body, the possibilities of health and ill health, and even our I.Q. must lie dormant

in us. We must have a programme that is built in advance. How from a single

cell the fetus will develop? Where will be the hands, legs, eyes, ears, all is

hidden in the cell.

Astrology has always known this phenomenon. Up to now astrology was

thought to be a superstition, a matter of blind faith. But if genetics draws up

such blueprints as genomes, then it will in fact become astrology.

Astrology agrees that we do not know the whole -- only a little

fragment -- what we do not know becomes " the future. " We are obliged

to say, " Perhaps it may be like this, " because much is unknown to us.

If the whole were to be known then we could say, " It will be like

this " -- and it will be exactly so.

If everything is latent within us, then it is only a matter of studying

the seed. If some day it becomes possible to observe genome, a blueprint could

be drawn up indicating what we will do in this life, what we will be, or not be.

All this could be forecast. It will not be surprising when tomorrow, if not

today, we have the capacity to peep into the human genome. The steps that

genetics has taken in this direction.

Birth charts and horoscopes have been used only for probing into all

these matters. For thousands of years we have tried, when a child is born, to

find out what will happen to him. If we could get some estimate, then perhaps

we could make some arrangements, perhaps we could increase the child's

opportunities. Then whatever is to happen, we could become accepting of it.

We may or

may not achieve what we are trying to seek. Whether such revelations are in

cosmic scheme or not we cannot say. But the fact remains, whether genetics or

astrology, any kind of interference in the natural process has always been

thwarted by nature. There seems to be a " prime directive " against

meddling with nature. If we mess with the present, we might alter the future.

The time of one's birth determines the configuration of planets in the birth

chart, which in turn affects one's destiny. If the " natural " timing

of birth is somehow changed or manipulated, as in the case of elective caesarean

section, cloning, the birth chart (and therefore one's personality and destiny)

must be altered accordingly.

Coming

back to Clinton's statement, that is only the end

of the beginning. Scientists still have very little idea of what most of the 60,000

or so human genes actually do, and finding out will take them into a very

different area of research. The human genome is an enormously barren stretch of

DNA bases that do not code for anything; a veritable desert', rarely punctuated

by a gene oasis. The Y-chromosome, which is a male attribute, is particularly

barren, containing relatively few, albeit important, genes. However, the size

of the 'human proteome', the total complement of proteins, quite literally the

workhorses of cellular biochemistry, maybe significantly higher; current

estimates climb into the neighbourhood of 60,000. This would mean, of course,

that the final translation of the 'message', encoded in human genes and

genomes, would require considerably greater use, than we anticipate, of 'alternative

splicing mechanisms'; a process in which the final messages are constructed by

piecing together coding regions in different ways. This molecular sleight of

hand, would allow considerably more gene products (proteins) than predicted

from the number of identified genes.

A

considerable part of the difficulty in decoding the information implicit in the

human genome is the presence of tracts of non-coding DNA of widely varying length

(introns), which separate segments of coding sequences (exons). The human

genome sequence reveals large stretches of 'parasitic DNA', which appear to

have come about by 'reverse transcription from RNA. In places the genome looks

like a sea of reverse transcribed DNA with a small admixture of genes'. These

stretches of DNA are thought of as a link to our evolutionary past, containing

an imprint of mankind's continuing interaction with viruses. Surprisingly, the

genome sequence also suggests that as many as a couple of hundred human genes

may be a result of direct transfer from bacteria, as distinct from evolution

from bacterial genes. Clearly, we are all genetically modified ('engineered') organisms,

natural transgenics created over eons of evolution.

Nature

has planned that human beings will be social animals. It has suggested that we

form relationships and live with compassion, the karma theory supports this by

saying that we've taken birth to resolve our debts to our fellow beings.

Therefore, it closed its doors on incest while in animal kingdom that is the

way of life. In an incestuous mating, the nature doesn't allow life to

flourish. There is an inbuilt system that works against such phenomenon -- genetics

has shown that and astrology had known that. We even went further away from incest as to

disallow even sahgotra relationships. Same has been the case with cloning and

genetic engineering. The fate of Dolly is known to the scientific community. The

cloned being is not able to reproduce. If mankind remains adamant to produce

genetically modified species of plants or animals, the whole mankind may

perish. There have been cases of mutations occurring in human cells as a result

of consumption of GM vegetables and fruits. The real impact of this happening will

get intensified to appear in ensuing generations. We might have what may be called a 'bio-pralaya'

one day and all shall perish for all we know!

The fragmented

knowledge, whether it is astrology or genetics, revealed to us and which the

cosmic power has willed for us, may be used for the well-being of mankind as

well as all nature and all other beings on the earth. Those who use this

knowledge for good purpose, the nature allows them to proceed with more

insights and revelations. Thus, in astrological as well as genetical investigations, humankind

has a long way to go before we are able to solve the mysteries which nature keeps

to herself. The moment we cross over our boundaries, the higher energy takes

over and covers everything with sheaths of obscurity.Neelam

On 07/04/2008,

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Dear Krishnaji,

Your poem is great and I liked it very much.

"A seed contains all the software, the soil has the necessary hardware and when the current of water flows one can see the life displayed on the monitor called world..."

But the talk on DNA and Horoscope is fantasy and fantasy only. How many people can make a sound judgment on a native's sex, nature and character from the horoscope?

None. Astrologers speculate based on the information prior hands and it is written by Mihira himself that "Oohapohapatu siddhamantro janati jatakam". Horoscope has no absolute reading - it is important to note this.

Majority of horoscope readings are subject to Kalam, Desam, Kulam. DNA is not like that. Yes, environmental effects do affect the factors like hereditary diseases but whatever is read from DNA shall be the same in India and US. In horoscope it is not like that. A US astrologer cannot make a successful reading of the horoscope of a tribal from India or Africa.

On the merits side Horoscope presents a time scale for life and its social sphere (events like marriage) but DNA may only indicate the physiological aspects. DNA may suggest that a man or woman is sufficiently aged to have sex but it cannot say when the marriage will take place. I hope this aspect illustrate the difference between the two.

chandra hari

 

 

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Dear Chandrahari ji, Thanks for your kind words about my poem. I did not claim that today astrologers have the ability to predict ones sex or other physiological factors successfully. I said that, one day in the future it will be possible to map a horoscope and DNA and in my opinion it is not fantasy but a reality that will unfold in the near future. If you think that it will remain only a fantasy, it is perfectly fine with me. I don't expect everyone to accept my satement. You said "On the merits side Horoscope presents a time scale for life and its social sphere (events like marriage) but DNA may only indicate the physiological aspects...." No issues here. Even my earlier mail hinted that a chart can give much more once the birth time is rectified perfectly (possibly with the help of DNA). Regards, Krishna

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Dear Krishna Ji,Namaste,Thanks, and I would have loved to read your poem, if you'd translate it in English or Hindi.That was a flow of thoughts, not a delibrate article...If the " natural " timing of birth is somehow

changed or manipulated, as in the case of elective caesarean section,

cloning, the birth chart (and therefore one's personality and destiny)

must be altered accordingly... " was in the form of satire...Regardsneelam

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Dear Neelam ji, Probably, I failed to catch some of these subtilities. Anyway, what matters is that we are on the same plane. Well, when I have the time and mood I will think of translating my poems to English :-) I don't have that ability in Hindi. Regards, Krishnaneelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: Dear Krishna Ji,Namaste,Thanks, and I would have loved to read your poem, if you'd translate it

in English or Hindi.That was a flow of thoughts, not a delibrate article...If the "natural" timing of birth is somehow changed or manipulated, as in the case of elective caesarean section, cloning, the birth chart (and therefore one's personality and destiny) must be altered accordingly..."was in the form of satire...Regardsneelam

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