Horoscope_Interpretation (To Sreeramji)

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The second part of my query is on varga charts.

 

You say a planet maybe exalted in D-1 but debilitated in D-10 - so

while planet is overall good for native (by virtue of exaltation in

D-1) is detrimental to profession (debilitated in D-10)

 

My question is: if a planet is detrimental to profession, how can it

be good to native overall???

 

* I remember Sreenadhji telling that we must predict what is in the

varga chart if and only if it is indicated by D-1? So if D-1 does not

indicate it, we must not predict through D-10

 

Say in D-1, we are analyzing sustana x. Say lord of x is in dustana.

say malefics are in house x. Say there is no benefic aspect, nothing.

D-1 indicates complete badness for house x

 

Take D-9 and say you see the same house x. Say its lord is exalted.

Say it has benefic and benefic aspect.

D-1 indicates destruction to native of those significations indicated

by house x. How can we arrive at good conclusions for the same?

 

THanks

Kiran

 

, " Sre_eram "

<sreeram64 wrote:

>

>

> I am responded to two things in one for they are inter-related.

>

> First, There are many members in this group, who surely are open minded

> and hence, keep contributing their bits. My initial response to Mr.

> Udupa is purely on technical grounds, for he has raised a topic, a

> valid one, as a query. Hence, responded to it and to be fair Mr.

> Udupa responded well, may be he took offence to my wordings, which NEVER

> meant to be taken that way. I apologise should he felt hurt in that way

> !!

>

> The person responding to a query is surely on a higher pedestal for he

> knows to what query he is responding. Age has NEVER been an issue in

> this forum. I would request all members NOT to bring age factor into

> this discussions. It takes the shine off the discussion. To keep

> an open mind and continue to learn it is the true reflection of age !!

> Let me quote few words of Sri Aurobindo Ghosh the great Yogi {

> Podicherry}... " .........one begins to age, if he stops learning or

> idling ... "

>

> Another example:

>

> Experiencing that he has been always over-ruled by elder brother,

> Laxman seeked Lord Rama to be born as his elder brother { in the

> Ramayana Mythology}, so that he can guide the actions. Result, Lord

> Balaram is incarnate of yesterday's Laxman and Lord Krishna was

> incarnate of Lord Rama - born as his younger brother in Mahabharat

> mythology. What was the outcome of the story - Lord Krishna prevailed

> everywhere.

>

> The person with superiod logic will & shall always prevail. The aged

> members in this group or else where need to understand the nuances of -

> Growing Old -

>

> a) Growing Old with age

>

> b) GETTING Old i.e. Growing Old with knowledge !!

>

> I have NOT mentioned by age in any of my e-mails in any group till date

> neither one can draw any reference to it through my postings. So Mr.

> Udupa, your taking slight offence on being 61 years old and my sincere

> response to respond to a query - does not reflect your growing

> old....surely you have grandsons at that age.....do you take offence

> with your grand children.... in such cases !!!!???

>

> The second thing, was your leaving - leaving here is the query....not

> the GROUP itself. At 61 years you are clear that NO one can teach you

> or educate you...for you have enough of knowledge everything........

> unless one is above your age......

>

> We have Mr. Prash Trivedi { earlier I addressed him as Prakash Trivedi},

> who claims to have very high lineage and boasts of his gotra, ....So

> being senior to him in the age, cannot match him...for he is above my

> Gotra !!!

>

> We the youngsters or kids of current generation, stands to gain from

> experienced personnel like you, stay in the group....continue to

> share....

>

> Knowledge knows NO barriers.....so my request is raise above the bar...

>

> Third, coming to the actual focus of this group :

>

> I am sure that one may be doing simple reading of postings in this group

> by Sreenadh. It is disappointing that he having stated the rules of

> prediction in many of his posting, see very few have understood it.

> We had some interesting debates on Vargas in other the most

> popular one - to my knowledge and experience - was in Vedic Astrology

> forum - moderated by PVR Narasimha and his other SJC Guru brothers.

>

> Sreenadh has been propounding the ancient seers - 7-fold steps of

> predictions, which for the benefit of others mention again. The

> analysis of a hororscope is be based on following parameters

>

> 1) House

>

> 2) Planets

>

> 3) Signs

>

> 4) House + Planets

>

> 5) Planets + Signs

>

> 6) Signs + Houses

>

> 7) House + Planets + Signs

>

> Similarly apply the above logics in analysing the various vargas also.

> The method applied in analysing horosocope is to over-lay the birth &

> varga positions and do the reading.

>

> First make few concentric circles on a plain paper. In the first two

> inner circles, divide it into 12 divisions to mark the houses {

> following equal house system}

>

> Birth horoscope casting is known to all. Instead of casting a separate

> Navamsha chart, divide the birth horoscope i.e. 12 signs into 108 sub

> divisions i.e. each navamsha is 3deg 20 min. Didvide 360 / 3 deg 20 min

> = 108 navamsha.

>

> In the 2 & 3 concentric circle - having divided them in to 108 amsas,

> mark them giving a distinct amsa number

>

> Next, divide the 3 & 4 concentric circles - 360 / 13deg 20 min to

> represent the nakshatra divisions.

>

> Next divide the nakshatra divisions into 4 parts, to reflect the 4

> padas.

>

> If you can make a device as seen the casinos, where all concentric

> circles can be rotated individually over a common centre point -

> excellent

>

> So on, so forth, keep building on the concentric circles, to represent

> each varga, planets...etc..

>

> Now taken any horoscope - First place the birth chart with planets.

> Then considering the degrees of respective lagna, planets, position them

> according to the amsa

>

> Now read the birth chart as per the 7-fold steps suggested by ancient

> rishis.

>

> Example -

>

> Consider Aries Lagna, give all predictions generic to Aries Lagna {

> Planets & others are NOT considered in this step}

>

> Mars is shown in 7H - Based on the Planet goint to 7H - say all that

> it you can predict for this combination. { now attribute what it

> implies i.e. Planet when placed in 7H i.e. LL going to 7H}.

>

> 7H = Libra {for Aries Lagna}...say what this Libra sign

> indicate...signify

>

> Then, so on so forth for the balance 4 steps -

>

> i.e. Predict for - Mars in Libra sign,

>

> Libra Sign as 7H

>

> Now combine all the above - Aries Lagna, Mars, 7H, 7H & Mars, 7H &

> Libra Sign...etc.. see what is common in all - focus your prediction on

> that point.

>

> For a moment consider a family of 9 people, having a nice time together

> in a place. Think some one has played a nasty prank, did not liked by

> all, resulting him to be condemned for a while - hence, for a moment the

> family is having 8 go happy persons, with One - shunted off !!

>

> This shunted off person is a debilitated planet, sulking in the corner

> of the house, while the rest are having a gala time. Surely he is

> still in the HOUSE, so has a some diminished role to play, because he

> is sulking- he will vent his sulkiness { NOT SILKiness} now and then

> when the musical chairs game or chance comes to him......

>

> Similarly, some one has done a laudable job, so he is star of that house

> / moment, so entire family celebrations are centered on this person for

> his commendable work.......Think this combination as a case of horoscope

> with a exalted planet in it.

>

> Now this exaltation & debilitation - cannot continue for ever, for there

> are divisions in the house also - kitchen, drawing, bed room, guest

> room, verandah, balcony,..etc.. As a house, it may be ok....one is

> exalted or debilitated or normal.

>

> If we divide the house on Navamsha divisions, probably the exalted one

> becomes a debilitated...and vice versa. i.e. Because each planet {

> persons} has its own subject of topic in which he is updated {planet

> attributes} and takes the centre stage of that discussion, ....while

> others act as an audience

>

> Example - We have been discussing a lot, but our Mr. Prash Trivedi {

> earlier I addressed him as Prakash Trivedi}...though he has NOT

> contributed one single line worthy of a gem {in plain english}, he does

> NOT hesitate to continue his " sulky ways " now & then....

>

> = this is the behaviour of a debilitated planet in terms of varga

> interpretation

>

> Similarly if one were to use the logic similarly, for different varga,

> possibly, an exalted planet in birth horoscope may be debilitated in a

> varga {say saptamsa} - then depending upon the house and placement,

> karaka..e.tc. that things would suffer.

>

> The same planet say in Dashamsa, is exalted or well placed - then it

> would good results for profession when analysed on above lines.

>

> Other examples:

>

> 1) A person staying in his own palatial bungalow, but do NOT have

> monies to pay for the utilities !! - exalted planet, but debilitated in

> vargas !!

>

> 2) A person staying in slums, but has all the comforts of life-

> satellite TV, sofas, modern kitchen appliances, family of 4

> children.....etc.. !!! - A debilitated planet, but exalted in vargas

> !!!

>

> 3) A person either staying in slums or palatial bungalow with or

> without comfort - but under constant threat by Delhi Municipal

> Administration - who under High Court orders - are listing out

> properties - a case of uncertain future - for Demolitions - for the

> High Court and Local Govt. are at logger heads in working out an

> exceptions to demolitions...etc......

>

> Case of a planet - exalted or debilitated - seriously afflicted !!!

>

> 4) Same as (3), but continued to get court notices on other things -

> may be he has taken a loan by mortaging his property or...etc..

>

> = Case of a planet - exalted or debilitated - seriously afflicted !!! +

> in Dusthana......

>

> 5) Same as (3)....but his family member broke under the stresses of

> demolition threats, uuncertain future, bank notices to pay

> affront......so the person is dangling between pillar to ppost....

>

> Case of a planet - exalted or debilitated - seriously afflicted !!! + in

> Dusthana + in Mrityubhaga + in 12H connections !!!

>

> 6) Considering (3), (4), (5) - his job is OK, for his employees are

> happy with him,....

>

> So if you were to really see the perosn, having a house with capacity

> play utilities..etc.. = birth horoscope= showing lots of promises....=

> but when you move out of the house - extend the analysis to the society

> around this person/house = with so many pressures {like above stated

> examples}, the person / house starts breaking......the society around

> you is the vargas.....

>

> So, 2HL exalted does NOT mean, you can boast of your bank

> balance,.......so dear Prash Trivedi.....stop pricking...if you have any

> grey matter,....explain like above with humility....You are very young

> in comparison to my age ...yet I do NOT hesitate to learn from you

> ...and even admit...shamelessly...unlike being a hypocrite like

> others...... for I strongly believe in GETTING OLD rather than Growing

> OLD !!!

>

> a) Growing Old with age

>

> b) GETTING Old i.e. Growing Old with knowledge !!

>

> If you are really aged, have knowledge, have a open mind.....kindly do

> share .....but kindly do NOT crib about being senior in

> age......thinking.... let me enjoy the " groups drama " in this old

> age..!! Knowledge NOT shared dies along with the physical body of

> that person and hence term it it - waste of such knowledge !!

>

> A request to all including Mr. Prash Trivedi......show all your lively

> teethful gems.....and brighten this group with your " De Beers " certified

> gems !!! { Note - in past we have seen enough GERMS !!! }

>

> I hope to have given sufficient view point in analysing to the query

> posed by Mr. Haridas Udupa, seconded by another gentleman - to show off

> my " big brother attitude " !!!! ?? :) and my little bytes of

> knowledgebase.....!!!!! :)

>

> If any one have still doubts remaining on the above.....can come back

> with more queries....I am here to respond and clarify - as a one with

> open mind and abosuletly NO ego..... surely will have some " ego

> builting " to happen if nobody raises a query on this !!! :)

>

> If one were to go by the statistics, they may be many a learned persons,

> very very handful of people - 7 to 8 only have been contributing

> continuously !!! Appears Sponge OFF effect is carrying into this group

> also slowly !!!!

>

> with regards

>

> sreeram srinivas

>

>

>

> Dear Mr. Sreeram,

> I neither said I would leave nor did I ask for any solution. I just

> appreciated you mail. The big brother posture and sitting on judgement

> of others capabilities is not what I like - and I expressed it that is

> all. I am 61 now and I am least interested in what is going to happen to

> me. I hope I made myself clear.

> Regards,

> udupa

>

>

> On 10/11/07, sreeram srinivas <sreeram64

> <sreeram64 > wrote: You have posted your query in the

> group in which I am frequent

> contributor....hence, the response.....saw your email.....and then

> responded.....it is NOT a private mail....anyway, if you want to leave

> there....fine...it is upto you

>

>

>

> sreeram

>

>

>

> Quoting ahudupa <ahudupa :

>

>

>

> > Dear Sreeram,

> I do not know who you are and vice versa. My view is that we are two

> astrologers and it is just proper to leave it at that - a sense of

> mutual respect. Trying to judge another person is probably not needed

> or desirable. It is better we engage ourselves in useful discussion.

> I hope you will agree

>

> with me.

>

> Regards

>

> udupa

>

> , jai

> <mahesh_jagannathan@> wrote:

> >

> > sreeram srinivas

> > Re: D-60_Shastiamsa

> > Posted by: " Haridas Udupa " ahudupa (AT) gmail (DOT) com ahudupa Tue Oct 9, 2007

> 11:00 pm (PST)

> > Dear Mr. Sreeram,

> > A mail well written. The various conflicting issues that are there

> need to be understood. As you mentioned what do various classical works

> say about them? In what context? How do we interpret them? I know of a

> horoscope where Mars is combust within 6' (mins of arc). Mars is exalted

> and has Digbala. Exalted Jupiter is aspecting this combination. Mars is

> lagnalord - which is evident based on above data. How to interpret such

> a case? These are the types of questions we must be able to face with

> confidence, rather than explain the events after they occur.. Regards,

> >

> > This seems somewhat similar to the question that i have been asking.i

> could not stop myself when i read this article.the effects of a combust

> LL(mars in this case),which is debilitated in navamsa

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Mr. Kiran. Rama ji,

 

1) First see the amsa positon depending upon the query - marriage or

profession or children and then see the natal chart. Then moderate

accordingly. You cannot ignore anything in astrology, but can only

supplement.

 

With regards,

 

Sreeram_Srinivas

 

 

, " kiran.rama "

<kiran.rama wrote:

>

> The second part of my query is on varga charts.

>

> You say a planet maybe exalted in D-1 but debilitated in D-10 - so

> while planet is overall good for native (by virtue of exaltation in

> D-1) is detrimental to profession (debilitated in D-10)

>

> My question is: if a planet is detrimental to profession, how can it

> be good to native overall???

>

> * I remember Sreenadhji telling that we must predict what is in the

> varga chart if and only if it is indicated by D-1? So if D-1 does not

> indicate it, we must not predict through D-10

>

> Say in D-1, we are analyzing sustana x. Say lord of x is in dustana.

> say malefics are in house x. Say there is no benefic aspect, nothing.

> D-1 indicates complete badness for house x

>

> Take D-9 and say you see the same house x. Say its lord is exalted.

> Say it has benefic and benefic aspect.

> D-1 indicates destruction to native of those significations indicated

> by house x. How can we arrive at good conclusions for the same?

>

> THanks

> Kiran

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Sreeramji,

I remember Sreenadhji telling the opposite.

 

Shall we all agree on one thing being members of this group? I know we

all can have interpretation differences.

 

Interested to hear Sunilji's views on this too

 

Thanks

Kiran

[Guest guest]

Dear Mr. Kiran.Rama ji,

Would request you to kindly read again the Message No. 5995. That would conclude my point.

with regards,

Sreeram_Srinivas

, "kiran.rama" <kiran.rama wrote:>> Dear Sreeramji,> I remember Sreenadhji telling the opposite.> > Shall we all agree on one thing being members of this group? I know we> all can have interpretation differences.> > Interested to hear Sunilji's views on this too> > Thanks> Kiran>