Horoscope_Interpretation (Query on 7 fold method)

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Dear Sreeramji,

Dug this out from the archives

 

I have a couple of queries: first one I am posting here.

 

First is regarding 7 fold itself:

1) House

>

> 2) Planets

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> 3) Signs

>

> 4) House + Planets

>

> 5) Planets + Signs

>

> 6) Signs + Houses

>

> 7) House + Planets + Signs

 

Say for Cancer lagna, Venus in in 6th house in Dhanus.

 

For 7) it is Venus in 6th house in dhanus

for 6) it is 6th house in dhanus

for 5) it is Venus in dhanus

for 4) it is Venus in 6th house

for 3) it is dhanus (what to predict from this?)

for 2) it is Venus (what to predict from this?)

for 1) it is 6th house (What to predict from this?)

 

So ultimately is the 7 fold method not equal to " planet in house in

sign " - meaning " state the common of what is indicated by the 3? " - So

how does the first 3) steps 1), 2),3) above in 7-fold method help

 

 

Can you explain the utility of 1), 2), 3) in my example mentioned

Regards

Kiran

 

 

 

 

, " Sre_eram "

<sreeram64 wrote:

>

>

> I am responded to two things in one for they are inter-related.

>

> First, There are many members in this group, who surely are open minded

> and hence, keep contributing their bits. My initial response to Mr.

> Udupa is purely on technical grounds, for he has raised a topic, a

> valid one, as a query. Hence, responded to it and to be fair Mr.

> Udupa responded well, may be he took offence to my wordings, which NEVER

> meant to be taken that way. I apologise should he felt hurt in that way

> !!

>

> The person responding to a query is surely on a higher pedestal for he

> knows to what query he is responding. Age has NEVER been an issue in

> this forum. I would request all members NOT to bring age factor into

> this discussions. It takes the shine off the discussion. To keep

> an open mind and continue to learn it is the true reflection of age !!

> Let me quote few words of Sri Aurobindo Ghosh the great Yogi {

> Podicherry}... " .........one begins to age, if he stops learning or

> idling ... "

>

> Another example:

>

> Experiencing that he has been always over-ruled by elder brother,

> Laxman seeked Lord Rama to be born as his elder brother { in the

> Ramayana Mythology}, so that he can guide the actions. Result, Lord

> Balaram is incarnate of yesterday's Laxman and Lord Krishna was

> incarnate of Lord Rama - born as his younger brother in Mahabharat

> mythology. What was the outcome of the story - Lord Krishna prevailed

> everywhere.

>

> The person with superiod logic will & shall always prevail. The aged

> members in this group or else where need to understand the nuances of -

> Growing Old -

>

> a) Growing Old with age

>

> b) GETTING Old i.e. Growing Old with knowledge !!

>

> I have NOT mentioned by age in any of my e-mails in any group till date

> neither one can draw any reference to it through my postings. So Mr.

> Udupa, your taking slight offence on being 61 years old and my sincere

> response to respond to a query - does not reflect your growing

> old....surely you have grandsons at that age.....do you take offence

> with your grand children.... in such cases !!!!???

>

> The second thing, was your leaving - leaving here is the query....not

> the GROUP itself. At 61 years you are clear that NO one can teach you

> or educate you...for you have enough of knowledge everything........

> unless one is above your age......

>

> We have Mr. Prash Trivedi { earlier I addressed him as Prakash Trivedi},

> who claims to have very high lineage and boasts of his gotra, ....So

> being senior to him in the age, cannot match him...for he is above my

> Gotra !!!

>

> We the youngsters or kids of current generation, stands to gain from

> experienced personnel like you, stay in the group....continue to

> share....

>

> Knowledge knows NO barriers.....so my request is raise above the bar...

>

> Third, coming to the actual focus of this group :

>

> I am sure that one may be doing simple reading of postings in this group

> by Sreenadh. It is disappointing that he having stated the rules of

> prediction in many of his posting, see very few have understood it.

> We had some interesting debates on Vargas in other the most

> popular one - to my knowledge and experience - was in Vedic Astrology

> forum - moderated by PVR Narasimha and his other SJC Guru brothers.

>

> Sreenadh has been propounding the ancient seers - 7-fold steps of

> predictions, which for the benefit of others mention again. The

> analysis of a hororscope is be based on following parameters

>

> 1) House

>

> 2) Planets

>

> 3) Signs

>

> 4) House + Planets

>

> 5) Planets + Signs

>

> 6) Signs + Houses

>

> 7) House + Planets + Signs

>

> Similarly apply the above logics in analysing the various vargas also.

> The method applied in analysing horosocope is to over-lay the birth &

> varga positions and do the reading.

>

> First make few concentric circles on a plain paper. In the first two

> inner circles, divide it into 12 divisions to mark the houses {

> following equal house system}

>

> Birth horoscope casting is known to all. Instead of casting a separate

> Navamsha chart, divide the birth horoscope i.e. 12 signs into 108 sub

> divisions i.e. each navamsha is 3deg 20 min. Didvide 360 / 3 deg 20 min

> = 108 navamsha.

>

> In the 2 & 3 concentric circle - having divided them in to 108 amsas,

> mark them giving a distinct amsa number

>

> Next, divide the 3 & 4 concentric circles - 360 / 13deg 20 min to

> represent the nakshatra divisions.

>

> Next divide the nakshatra divisions into 4 parts, to reflect the 4

> padas.

>

> If you can make a device as seen the casinos, where all concentric

> circles can be rotated individually over a common centre point -

> excellent

>

> So on, so forth, keep building on the concentric circles, to represent

> each varga, planets...etc..

>

> Now taken any horoscope - First place the birth chart with planets.

> Then considering the degrees of respective lagna, planets, position them

> according to the amsa

>

> Now read the birth chart as per the 7-fold steps suggested by ancient

> rishis.

>

> Example -

>

> Consider Aries Lagna, give all predictions generic to Aries Lagna {

> Planets & others are NOT considered in this step}

>

> Mars is shown in 7H - Based on the Planet goint to 7H - say all that

> it you can predict for this combination. { now attribute what it

> implies i.e. Planet when placed in 7H i.e. LL going to 7H}.

>

> 7H = Libra {for Aries Lagna}...say what this Libra sign

> indicate...signify

>

> Then, so on so forth for the balance 4 steps -

>

> i.e. Predict for - Mars in Libra sign,

>

> Libra Sign as 7H

>

> Now combine all the above - Aries Lagna, Mars, 7H, 7H & Mars, 7H &

> Libra Sign...etc.. see what is common in all - focus your prediction on

> that point.

>

> For a moment consider a family of 9 people, having a nice time together

> in a place. Think some one has played a nasty prank, did not liked by

> all, resulting him to be condemned for a while - hence, for a moment the

> family is having 8 go happy persons, with One - shunted off !!

>

> This shunted off person is a debilitated planet, sulking in the corner

> of the house, while the rest are having a gala time. Surely he is

> still in the HOUSE, so has a some diminished role to play, because he

> is sulking- he will vent his sulkiness { NOT SILKiness} now and then

> when the musical chairs game or chance comes to him......

>

> Similarly, some one has done a laudable job, so he is star of that house

> / moment, so entire family celebrations are centered on this person for

> his commendable work.......Think this combination as a case of horoscope

> with a exalted planet in it.

>

> Now this exaltation & debilitation - cannot continue for ever, for there

> are divisions in the house also - kitchen, drawing, bed room, guest

> room, verandah, balcony,..etc.. As a house, it may be ok....one is

> exalted or debilitated or normal.

>

> If we divide the house on Navamsha divisions, probably the exalted one

> becomes a debilitated...and vice versa. i.e. Because each planet {

> persons} has its own subject of topic in which he is updated {planet

> attributes} and takes the centre stage of that discussion, ....while

> others act as an audience

>

> Example - We have been discussing a lot, but our Mr. Prash Trivedi {

> earlier I addressed him as Prakash Trivedi}...though he has NOT

> contributed one single line worthy of a gem {in plain english}, he does

> NOT hesitate to continue his " sulky ways " now & then....

>

> = this is the behaviour of a debilitated planet in terms of varga

> interpretation

>

> Similarly if one were to use the logic similarly, for different varga,

> possibly, an exalted planet in birth horoscope may be debilitated in a

> varga {say saptamsa} - then depending upon the house and placement,

> karaka..e.tc. that things would suffer.

>

> The same planet say in Dashamsa, is exalted or well placed - then it

> would good results for profession when analysed on above lines.

>

> Other examples:

>

> 1) A person staying in his own palatial bungalow, but do NOT have

> monies to pay for the utilities !! - exalted planet, but debilitated in

> vargas !!

>

> 2) A person staying in slums, but has all the comforts of life-

> satellite TV, sofas, modern kitchen appliances, family of 4

> children.....etc.. !!! - A debilitated planet, but exalted in vargas

> !!!

>

> 3) A person either staying in slums or palatial bungalow with or

> without comfort - but under constant threat by Delhi Municipal

> Administration - who under High Court orders - are listing out

> properties - a case of uncertain future - for Demolitions - for the

> High Court and Local Govt. are at logger heads in working out an

> exceptions to demolitions...etc......

>

> Case of a planet - exalted or debilitated - seriously afflicted !!!

>

> 4) Same as (3), but continued to get court notices on other things -

> may be he has taken a loan by mortaging his property or...etc..

>

> = Case of a planet - exalted or debilitated - seriously afflicted !!! +

> in Dusthana......

>

> 5) Same as (3)....but his family member broke under the stresses of

> demolition threats, uuncertain future, bank notices to pay

> affront......so the person is dangling between pillar to ppost....

>

> Case of a planet - exalted or debilitated - seriously afflicted !!! + in

> Dusthana + in Mrityubhaga + in 12H connections !!!

>

> 6) Considering (3), (4), (5) - his job is OK, for his employees are

> happy with him,....

>

> So if you were to really see the perosn, having a house with capacity

> play utilities..etc.. = birth horoscope= showing lots of promises....=

> but when you move out of the house - extend the analysis to the society

> around this person/house = with so many pressures {like above stated

> examples}, the person / house starts breaking......the society around

> you is the vargas.....

>

> So, 2HL exalted does NOT mean, you can boast of your bank

> balance,.......so dear Prash Trivedi.....stop pricking...if you have any

> grey matter,....explain like above with humility....You are very young

> in comparison to my age ...yet I do NOT hesitate to learn from you

> ...and even admit...shamelessly...unlike being a hypocrite like

> others...... for I strongly believe in GETTING OLD rather than Growing

> OLD !!!

>

> a) Growing Old with age

>

> b) GETTING Old i.e. Growing Old with knowledge !!

>

> If you are really aged, have knowledge, have a open mind.....kindly do

> share .....but kindly do NOT crib about being senior in

> age......thinking.... let me enjoy the " groups drama " in this old

> age..!! Knowledge NOT shared dies along with the physical body of

> that person and hence term it it - waste of such knowledge !!

>

> A request to all including Mr. Prash Trivedi......show all your lively

> teethful gems.....and brighten this group with your " De Beers " certified

> gems !!! { Note - in past we have seen enough GERMS !!! }

>

> I hope to have given sufficient view point in analysing to the query

> posed by Mr. Haridas Udupa, seconded by another gentleman - to show off

> my " big brother attitude " !!!! ?? :) and my little bytes of

> knowledgebase.....!!!!! :)

>

> If any one have still doubts remaining on the above.....can come back

> with more queries....I am here to respond and clarify - as a one with

> open mind and abosuletly NO ego..... surely will have some " ego

> builting " to happen if nobody raises a query on this !!! :)

>

> If one were to go by the statistics, they may be many a learned persons,

> very very handful of people - 7 to 8 only have been contributing

> continuously !!! Appears Sponge OFF effect is carrying into this group

> also slowly !!!!

>

> with regards

>

> sreeram srinivas

>

>

>

> Dear Mr. Sreeram,

> I neither said I would leave nor did I ask for any solution. I just

> appreciated you mail. The big brother posture and sitting on judgement

> of others capabilities is not what I like - and I expressed it that is

> all. I am 61 now and I am least interested in what is going to happen to

> me. I hope I made myself clear.

> Regards,

> udupa

>

>

> On 10/11/07, sreeram srinivas <sreeram64

> <sreeram64 > wrote: You have posted your query in the

> group in which I am frequent

> contributor....hence, the response.....saw your email.....and then

> responded.....it is NOT a private mail....anyway, if you want to leave

> there....fine...it is upto you

>

>

>

> sreeram

>

>

>

> Quoting ahudupa <ahudupa :

>

>

>

> > Dear Sreeram,

> I do not know who you are and vice versa. My view is that we are two

> astrologers and it is just proper to leave it at that - a sense of

> mutual respect. Trying to judge another person is probably not needed

> or desirable. It is better we engage ourselves in useful discussion.

> I hope you will agree

>

> with me.

>

> Regards

>

> udupa

>

> , jai

> <mahesh_jagannathan@> wrote:

> >

> > sreeram srinivas

> > Re: D-60_Shastiamsa

> > Posted by: " Haridas Udupa " ahudupa (AT) gmail (DOT) com ahudupa Tue Oct 9, 2007

> 11:00 pm (PST)

> > Dear Mr. Sreeram,

> > A mail well written. The various conflicting issues that are there

> need to be understood. As you mentioned what do various classical works

> say about them? In what context? How do we interpret them? I know of a

> horoscope where Mars is combust within 6' (mins of arc). Mars is exalted

> and has Digbala. Exalted Jupiter is aspecting this combination. Mars is

> lagnalord - which is evident based on above data. How to interpret such

> a case? These are the types of questions we must be able to face with

> confidence, rather than explain the events after they occur.. Regards,

> >

> > This seems somewhat similar to the question that i have been asking.i

> could not stop myself when i read this article.the effects of a combust

> LL(mars in this case),which is debilitated in navamsa

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Kiranji,

If you go from #1 to # 7 you will start getting answers instead of going from # 7----> #1.

So in this example :

1. It is the 6th house. It signifies enemies, diseases .....

2. It is Venus. Stand alone venus signifies.......

3. It is Dhanu rashi. It is fiery sign, owned by jupiter.

4. Venus in 6th house. not very effective against the significators of 6 hse like enemies....

5.

6.

7.

Actually the problem is that we do not think in the systematic manner in which we write.

We probably end up straight at # 5 or 6 or 7 depending upon the speed of thinking or on any significant thing we associate with Venus in 6th house, for eg: I associate it with chance of getting diabetes etc..

Srrenadji has broken it up into small steps.. and rightly so.

 

Thanks & Regards.

 

Chiranjiv mehta.---