See an Interesting Case Study - A true Yogi is Nagaraja

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I am an ordinary man having all ignorance and weakness. So I don't call myself Varahamihira after translating/copying little of astrology. I will live and die like any other ordinary human being.

Those who styled themselves to be Sages while living have left a legacy that makes people laugh at astrology and yoga. Discussion is not against any individual. Discussion is on men who made pseudo-claims of greatness and the fact that now time is taking a hearty laugh on them.

We all must understand that egoistic or selfish pursuits can lead any individual to paranoic chittavrttis as we see with the selfstyled great men. Someone will call himself Varahamihira, only if he is totally ignorant of Varahamihira and the depth of his talents, greatness and works. It was such ignorance, paranoic chittavrttis and ambition that led 'Abhinava Mihira' to create an ayanamsa lower than Chitrapaksha which could be easily understood as derivable from Vakya-Panchanga. As a result, even today many people will be struggling with a ludicrous value and subjective analysis.

We all need to guard against wrong imagination taking control of our minds. Miniscule is man able to do without the power of Yoga and that just make us understand that glory of the Great One and nothing to be proud of - it is just a call to praise the glorious Yogi from whom the Great Wisdom emanated. And what is the proof for the existence of Yogic power that has given us the great wisdom of Jyotisha?

Look at Siva. He is Nagaraja. King Cobra is on his neck as an ornament. This is not a symbolism as pseudo-yogis have come to interpret out of their fearful, imaginative minds. A true Yogi is Nagaraja and a Cobra will be a slave to him.

Copying and translations + some jugglery of data leading to imagination that someone has created Jyotisha and has become Yogi or Mihira is a disease. Using the name of Sages and Sannyasis to spice up the motivated creation of legends/to light up a pseudo-mystic aura around self is also a disease.

Astrology is the wisdom of the Nagaraja and no one has any copy right for that. Every fool who is into creating jargon and selling it must remember this fact.

xxxx

, "Ram Jaswal" <rkjaswal wrote:>> Namaste Chandra Hari> > Pray what does this have to do with his children? > > As the saying in the Bible goes - let only that person throw a stone who has> Never committed a sin - are you suggesting that you are "totally" clean and> that your children after you are and will be likewise? Writing ill words> towards departed souls or people Not present in a general forum to retort> back will only attract bad karma ..> > Per my earlier note lets drop this useless "discussion" on the list - I have> No issues with continuing it off-list if you so desire? For what it is worth> I have No desire in pursuing it further ...> > Regards ...> > Jai Sita Ram> > Ram>

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Dear Chandrahari ji,==>* I am an ordinary man having all ignorance and weakness. So I don't call myself Varahamihira after translating/copying little of astrology. I will live and die like any other ordinary human being.* Those who styled themselves to be Sages while living have left a legacy that makes people laugh at astrology and yoga. Discussion is not against any individual. Discussion is on men who made pseudo-claims of greatness and the fact that now time is taking a hearty laugh on them.* We all must understand that egoistic or selfish pursuits can lead any individual to paranoic chittavrttis as we see with the self-styled great men. Someone will call himself Varahamihira, only if he is totally ignorant of Varahamihira and the depth of his talents, greatness and works. * Copying and translations + some jugglery of data leading to imagination that someone has created Jyotisha and has become Yogi or Mihira is a disease. Using the name of Sages and Sannyasis to spice up the motivated creation of legends/to light up a pseudo-mystic aura around self is also a disease.* Astrology is the wisdom of the Nagaraja and no one has any copy right for that. Every fool who is into creating jargon and selling it must remember this fact.<== Thought provoking words - especially on the face of the fact that those statements are applicable to us as well; warnings we (ya, you and me and many in this group) should keep in mind to avoid the pitfall of false egos and pesudo claims. Jargons..... They are so dangerous. Are we creating our own jargons and selling it? Or are we trying to clear the jargons? Are we trying to be great men or simply and lovingly following our inner urge in persute of wisdom? Would we be laughing stock for futurity, or is that irrelevent to us because 'we were sincere to ourselves'? ............................................................................... Thanks for sharing sincere thoughts and helping much in my self improvement.................................. Note: Dear listerners, Lessons does not comes from outside, but from within; None can teach you things which we don't already know. The true reactions of the one who is really in the path and learning from within would sound most rebellious and idol destroying for one who looks at books to learn. But know that it is NOT intended, but he is only expressing the experience and own inner self. Being true to oneself cannot be and shouldn’t be termed ego; and will not be by the ones who already know. (words have their own limitation). I am NOT against BV Raman, Santanam, KN Rao ji, or even the new imaginator Sanjay Rath; but instead appreciate their efforts. But sincerely I can feel the emotions echoed by Chandrahari ji and is more at home with the stream of thought he presents and the innovative attitude he presents. Enough time wasted after 'artificial humbleness' and now we should try some 'rebellious wisdom'Love and regards,Sreenadh , "chandra_hari18" <chandra_hari18 wrote:>> > I am an ordinary man having all ignorance and weakness. So I don't call> myself Varahamihira after translating/copying little of astrology. I> will live and die like any other ordinary human being.> > Those who styled themselves to be Sages while living have left a legacy> that makes people laugh at astrology and yoga. Discussion is not against> any individual. Discussion is on men who made pseudo-claims of> greatness and the fact that now time is taking a hearty laugh on them.> > We all must understand that egoistic or selfish pursuits can lead any> individual to paranoic chittavrttis as we see with the selfstyled great> men. Someone will call himself Varahamihira, only if he is totally> ignorant of Varahamihira and the depth of his talents, greatness and> works. It was such ignorance, paranoic chittavrttis and ambition that> led 'Abhinava Mihira' to create an ayanamsa lower than Chitrapaksha> which could be easily understood as derivable from Vakya-Panchanga. As> a result, even today many people will be struggling with a ludicrous> value and subjective analysis.> > We all need to guard against wrong imagination taking control of our> minds. Miniscule is man able to do without the power of Yoga and that> just make us understand that glory of the Great One and nothing to be> proud of - it is just a call to praise the glorious Yogi from whom the> Great Wisdom emanated. And what is the proof for the existence of Yogic> power that has given us the great wisdom of Jyotisha?> > Look at Siva. He is Nagaraja. King Cobra is on his neck as an ornament.> This is not a symbolism as pseudo-yogis have come to interpret out of> their fearful, imaginative minds. A true Yogi is Nagaraja and a Cobra> will be a slave to him.> > Copying and translations + some jugglery of data leading to imagination> that someone has created Jyotisha and has become Yogi or Mihira is a> disease. Using the name of Sages and Sannyasis to spice up the motivated> creation of legends/to light up a pseudo-mystic aura around self is also> a disease.> > Astrology is the wisdom of the Nagaraja and no one has any copy right> for that. Every fool who is into creating jargon and selling it must> remember this fact.> > xxxx> > > , "Ram Jaswal"> rkjaswal@ wrote:> >> > Namaste Chandra Hari> >> > Pray what does this have to do with his children?> >> > As the saying in the Bible goes - let only that person throw a stone> who has> > Never committed a sin - are you suggesting that you are "totally"> clean and> > that your children after you are and will be likewise? Writing ill> words> > towards departed souls or people Not present in a general forum to> retort> > back will only attract bad karma ..> >> > Per my earlier note lets drop this useless "discussion" on the list -> I have> > No issues with continuing it off-list if you so desire? For what it is> worth> > I have No desire in pursuing it further ...> >> > Regards ...> >> > Jai Sita Ram> >> > Ram> >>

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Namaste Chandra Hari

 

Glad you are going to lead an ordinary human

existence – in which case Why so vitriolic in condemning

others …….

 

Let it Not be

forgotten that he (BV Raman) has been instrumental in bringing “Vedic”

Astrology to the fore to the wider public with his Books, Magazines and

lectures around the globe …… He was also considered to be Very

adept in Mundane predictions that came true – as

to whether he used his own Ayanamsa guess only he knows (?) ……

Regarding his Ayanamsa it was “coined” well Before Lahiri whereas

yours no doubt is very well later – refer to “Manual of Hindu

Astrology” for its derivation …..

 

As to people laughing I guess it only

reflects in their own inaptitude and small worth that

they feel they have to criticize better known personalities inorder to propel

themselves forward ….. Correcting errors made in print by Past/Present “guru’s” are fully justified as long as it is

done with “humility” and Not with a “brazen” attitude of

trying to belittle their contribution ……

 

Good luck in yours and other similar minded

peoples continued thinking ……

 

Jai Sita Ram

 

Ram

 

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of chandra_hari18

27 March 2008 02:15

 

Subject:

Re: See an Interesting Case Study - A true Yogi is

Nagaraja

 

 

 

 

 

I am an

ordinary man having all ignorance and weakness. So I don't call myself

Varahamihira after translating/copying little of astrology. I

will live and die like any other ordinary human being.

Those who

styled themselves to be Sages while living have left a legacy that makes people

laugh at astrology and yoga. Discussion is not against any individual.

Discussion is on men who made pseudo-claims of greatness and the fact that now

time is taking a hearty laugh on them.

We all

must understand that egoistic or selfish pursuits can lead any individual to

paranoic chittavrttis as we see with the selfstyled great men. Someone

will call himself Varahamihira, only if he is totally ignorant of

Varahamihira and the depth of his talents, greatness and works. It was

such ignorance, paranoic chittavrttis and ambition that led 'Abhinava Mihira'

to create an ayanamsa lower than Chitrapaksha which could be easily understood

as derivable from Vakya-Panchanga. As a result, even today many people

will be struggling with a ludicrous value and subjective analysis.

We all need to guard against wrong

imagination taking control of our minds. Miniscule is man able to do

without the power of Yoga and that just make us understand that glory of the

Great One and nothing to be proud of - it is just a call to praise the glorious

Yogi from whom the Great Wisdom emanated. And what is the proof for the

existence of Yogic power that has given us the great wisdom of Jyotisha?

Look at Siva. He is Nagaraja. King Cobra is

on his neck as an ornament. This is not a symbolism as pseudo-yogis have come

to interpret out of their fearful, imaginative minds. A true Yogi is Nagaraja

and a Cobra will be a slave to him.

Copying and translations + some jugglery of data leading to

imagination that someone has created Jyotisha and has become Yogi or

Mihira is a disease. Using the name of Sages and Sannyasis to spice up the

motivated creation of legends/to light up a pseudo-mystic aura around self

is also a disease.

Astrology is the wisdom of the Nagaraja and

no one has any copy right for that. Every fool who is into creating jargon

and selling it must remember this fact.

xxxx

 

,

" Ram Jaswal " <rkjaswal wrote:

>

> Namaste Chandra Hari

>

> Pray what does this have to do with his children?

>

> As the saying in the Bible goes - let only that person throw a stone who

has

> Never committed a sin - are you suggesting that you are

" totally " clean and

> that your children after you are and will be likewise? Writing ill words

> towards departed souls or people Not present in a general forum to retort

> back will only attract bad karma ..

>

> Per my earlier note lets drop this useless " discussion " on the

list - I have

> No issues with continuing it off-list if you so desire? For what it is

worth

> I have No desire in pursuing it further ...

>

> Regards ...

>

> Jai Sita Ram

>

> Ram

>