Guest guest Posted March 25, 2008 Report Share Posted March 25, 2008 A Case Study Published by Sri KN Rao 1.Justice Nandlal Untwalia (a) Given birth details: 1September 1915, 1700 at Sitamarhi: 26N35, 85E32. The horoscope cast for the above details is as follows: Jupiter ® Moon Saturn Mars Ra´si ´Sikhi Lagna Rahu Venus Sun Merc. Moon Saturn Mars ´Sikhi Navamśa Jupiter Venus Merc. Lagna Sun Rahu Mars Rahu ´Sikhi Lag. Mer. Mo Sa Jup Da´samśa Ra´si x 10 Sun Venus ·Longitudes computed for 05:05:39 PM IST: Lagna: 295020' Sun: 134032' Moon: 43001', Mars: 74058', Mercury: 150021', Jupiter®: 332010',Venus:131029', Saturn: 80011',Rahu: 293050', ´Sikhi: 113050'. Ayanamśa: 23024'. Lagna for 1700 IST: 293037', which takes da´samśa in Taurus, the 5th house. Da´samśa in the 6th more likely for a judicial officer and so the time is rectified as 05:05:39 by Kundakriya. (b) Under the title "The Drama of a Prediction" Rao has discussed the horoscope in an article published in the astrological magazine [October 1983] and his book "Ups and Downs in Career". To make a most accurate prediction he had used Kumbha as Lagna and that I consider as an erroneous astrological reasoning. In fact without the erroneous reasoning he could not have made a correct prediction as he had neither the true ayanamśa [correct horoscope] nor the correct Varga like Da´samśa and obviously the concept of interpretation of the Vargas or Divisional Charts that he possessed was incorrect. See the data as used by him: · Da´sa at birth used by him was 07 years 01 month against the true value of: 7y-8m-25d · Seventh lord Sun [Daradhipa] is placed in own house Leo under the special aspect of Lagnapati ´Sani – Rao reconciled such a wonderful disposition of the seventh house with the death of wife in June 1957 during Jupiter(d)- Venus(b): He says the seventh and seventh lords are afflicted by Saturn, which is not correct as Saturn happens to be Lagnapati. It is the fundamental axiom of astrology that the Lagnapati is always beneficial by placement and aspect except for its own weakness contributed by other factors. Jupiter ® Moon Saturn Mars Lagna Ra´si ´Sikhi Rahu Venus Sun Merc. Saturn Moon Mars ´Sikhi Navamśa Jupiter Venus Merc. Sun Rahu Lagna § Have a look at the Navamśa: Ninth house Libra is Lagna and Jupiter, Venus, Mercury are in Kendras and in no way the positions imply a tragedy for spouse during Jupiter(d)- Venus(b). § In contrast note the true Navamśa for the given time: Lagna takes amśa in the eighth and Mars along with Nodes renders heavy affliction with Jupiter and Venus in the 12th house. In Ra´si seventh house has the affliction of the Nodes even though the lord Moon is exalted which suggests plurality. § Rao's account further gives the detail that in the same year a daughter too died which obviously mean that the astrological factors are adversely related to both the seventh and fifth houses: with the actual chart the seventh lord Moon is placed in the fifth house and the dispositor Venus is posited in the eighth house. § His only surviving daughter was born in 1952 during Jupiter(d)-Saturn(b) as per the actual chart where Jupiter is the Saptamśa Lagnapati and Saturn (Ra´six7) is exalted. § In 1958, Untwalia became the judge of the Patna High Court: Jupiter(d)-Sun(b) according to Rao whereas it was Jupiter(d)-Venus(b) up to 8 December 1958. Venus who was responsible the death of wife and child is also the 10th lord occupying Leo along with Sun. Planets placed in Leo are observed to boost the career and that is the case here. Of course Sun's period was better. Career as a judicial officer is well reflected in the da´samśa where Sun occupies the ninth house of Kalapurusa, Dhanu the lawgiver of the Zodiac. § Becomes Chief Justice of High Court in Saturn(d)-´Sikhi(b), in latter half of 1970: Rao has placed the event at the onset of Venus(b). § Drama of the prediction that Rao has described occurred in April to September 1974: His elevation to the Supreme Court [25 August 1974] after the unexpected demise of Justice Mukherji. True ayanamśa explains the situation very well: ´Sani da´sa-Surya bhukti began for Untwalia only on 19 May 1974 and on 25 August he was having Rahu cidram and ´Sikhi suksmantara. Note that it was the death of Mukherji that brought good luck for Untwalia in Surya bhukti. This example tells us to what really is the true Da´samśa: Note the Ra´si x 10 Chart given above: Lagna has taken amśa in the sixth house that signifies Courts and Cases and the lord of that house simultaneously owns the ninth house signifying the Law. A conglomeration of Jupiter, Mercury, Saturn and Moon occurs in Lagna aspected by 8th Lord Sun from the esoteric Law House – Sagittarius. Note that Untwalia had the sixth lord exalted in the ninth house and the same exalted Mercury had become the Da´samśa-Lagnapati to raise him to the position of a Judge of the Supreme Court. The correct prediction (taking his words on face value and that the account is not a faked case study) therefore was a contribution of Rao's supernatural gift of intuition rather than the scientific use of astrology. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2008 Report Share Posted March 25, 2008 leave alone the background of analysiscan any one astrologer just by going through gthe hors. can they declare and conform that it is a hors. of top legal persononce coming to top people discuss to any length nothing expected in advance there are hundreds of rules and interpratation and applied to vip and common man in completely different fashionhow to identify a vip and ordinary person lakhs born in same time and place even if a test conducted blindly with different astrologers more than 90- percent give different opinion on the nature of job family etc.......all rules applied in differently according to enviornments situations etc.........god has created millions of humans who can be identified differetly from face not by astrology meanssairaman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2008 Report Share Posted March 25, 2008 No absolute reading in astrology. All readings have to be with due reference to Desam, Kaalam and Kulam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2008 Report Share Posted March 25, 2008 Namaste Sairam ji,If you could provide authentic data/case studies of those born in "same place and time" (popularly known as astral twins), it will help the scientific test of astrology.Regards,Babelsairam nat <sairaman53 Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 7:14:49 PM Re: See an Interesting Case Study leave alone the background of analysiscan any one astrologer just by going through gthe hors. can they declare and conform that it is a hors. of top legal persononce coming to top people discuss to any length nothing expected in advance there are hundreds of rules and interpratation and applied to vip and common man in completely different fashionhow to identify a vip and ordinary person lakhs born in same time and place even if a test conducted blindly with different astrologers more than 90- percent give different opinion on the nature of job family etc.......all rules applied in differently according to enviornments situations etc.........god has created millions of humans who can be identified differetly from face not by astrology meanssairaman Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2008 Report Share Posted March 25, 2008  Namaste Chandra Hari using Lahiri Ayanamsa I get Asc as 24Cap20 for given date (1st Sept '1915) and time (5pm) with Vargottama Exalted Moon in Navamsa using JHora s/w - does Sri KN Rao mention the Asc rising for Aqu rising chart in astrological magazine [October 1983] or his book "Ups and Downs in Career"? Re:Dasamsa personally feel Tau rising with Mer,Moon & Rahu and Mars,Jup & Ketu in 7th Hse per given timing is more preferable to Gemini rising as Mer (LL) in 12th Hse wouldn't be well placed along with Sun in 8th Hse? Re:Aqu rising understandable Sri KN Rao describing Sani's aspects as being malefic as (a) Sani is 12th Lord as well as LL and (b) is with Mars hence afflicted itself ........ Do you have more data on Justice Nandlal Untwalia re:dates/events etc? Thanks and regards ...... Jai Sita Ram Ram On Behalf Of chandra_hari1825 March 2008 08:47 Subject: See an Interesting Case Study A Case Study Published by Sri KN Rao 1.Justice Nandlal Untwalia (a) Given birth details: 1September 1915, 1700 at Sitamarhi: 26N35, 85E32. The horoscope cast for the above details is as follows: Jupiter ® Moon Saturn Mars Ra´si ´Sikhi Lagna Rahu Venus Sun Merc. Moon Saturn Mars ´Sikhi Navamśa Jupiter Venus Merc. Lagna Sun Rahu Mars Rahu ´Sikhi Lag. Mer. Mo Sa Jup Da´samśa Ra´si x 10 Sun Venus ·Longitudes computed for 05:05:39 PM IST: Lagna: 295020' Sun: 134032' Moon: 43001', Mars: 74058', Mercury: 150021', Jupiter®: 332010',Venus:131029', Saturn: 80011',Rahu: 293050', ´Sikhi: 113050'. Ayanamśa: 23024'. Lagna for 1700 IST: 293037', which takes da´samśa in Taurus, the 5th house. Da´samśa in the 6th more likely for a judicial officer and so the time is rectified as 05:05:39 by Kundakriya. (b) Under the title "The Drama of a Prediction" Rao has discussed the horoscope in an article published in the astrological magazine [October 1983] and his book "Ups and Downs in Career". To make a most accurate prediction he had used Kumbha as Lagna and that I consider as an erroneous astrological reasoning. In fact without the erroneous reasoning he could not have made a correct prediction as he had neither the true ayanamśa [correct horoscope] nor the correct Varga like Da´samśa and obviously the concept of interpretation of the Vargas or Divisional Charts that he possessed was incorrect. See the data as used by him: · Da´sa at birth used by him was 07 years 01 month against the true value of: 7y-8m-25d · Seventh lord Sun [Daradhipa] is placed in own house Leo under the special aspect of Lagnapati ´Sani – Rao reconciled such a wonderful disposition of the seventh house with the death of wife in June 1957 during Jupiter(d)- Venus(b): He says the seventh and seventh lords are afflicted by Saturn, which is not correct as Saturn happens to be Lagnapati. It is the fundamental axiom of astrology that the Lagnapati is always beneficial by placement and aspect except for its own weakness contributed by other factors. Jupiter ® Moon Saturn Mars Lagna Ra´si ´Sikhi Rahu Venus Sun Merc. Saturn Moon Mars ´Sikhi Navamśa Jupiter Venus Merc. Sun Rahu Lagna § Have a look at the Navamśa: Ninth house Libra is Lagna and Jupiter, Venus, Mercury are in Kendras and in no way the positions imply a tragedy for spouse during Jupiter(d)- Venus(b). § In contrast note the true Navamśa for the given time: Lagna takes amśa in the eighth and Mars along with Nodes renders heavy affliction with Jupiter and Venus in the 12th house. In Ra´si seventh house has the affliction of the Nodes even though the lord Moon is exalted which suggests plurality. § Rao's account further gives the detail that in the same year a daughter too died which obviously mean that the astrological factors are adversely related to both the seventh and fifth houses: with the actual chart the seventh lord Moon is placed in the fifth house and the dispositor Venus is posited in the eighth house. § His only surviving daughter was born in 1952 during Jupiter(d)-Saturn(b) as per the actual chart where Jupiter is the Saptamśa Lagnapati and Saturn (Ra´six7) is exalted. § In 1958, Untwalia became the judge of the Patna High Court: Jupiter(d)-Sun(b) according to Rao whereas it was Jupiter(d)-Venus(b) up to 8 December 1958. Venus who was responsible the death of wife and child is also the 10th lord occupying Leo along with Sun. Planets placed in Leo are observed to boost the career and that is the case here. Of course Sun's period was better. Career as a judicial officer is well reflected in the da´samśa where Sun occupies the ninth house of Kalapurusa, Dhanu the lawgiver of the Zodiac. § Becomes Chief Justice of High Court in Saturn(d)-´Sikhi(b), in latter half of 1970: Rao has placed the event at the onset of Venus(b). § Drama of the prediction that Rao has described occurred in April to September 1974: His elevation to the Supreme Court [25 August 1974] after the unexpected demise of Justice Mukherji. True ayanamśa explains the situation very well: ´Sani da´sa-Surya bhukti began for Untwalia only on 19 May 1974 and on 25 August he was having Rahu cidram and ´Sikhi suksmantara. Note that it was the death of Mukherji that brought good luck for Untwalia in Surya bhukti. This example tells us to what really is the true Da´samśa: Note the Ra´si x 10 Chart given above: Lagna has taken amśa in the sixth house that signifies Courts and Cases and the lord of that house simultaneously owns the ninth house signifying the Law. A conglomeration of Jupiter, Mercury, Saturn and Moon occurs in Lagna aspected by 8th Lord Sun from the esoteric Law House – Sagittarius. Note that Untwalia had the sixth lord exalted in the ninth house and the same exalted Mercury had become the Da´samśa-Lagnapati to raise him to the position of a Judge of the Supreme Court. The correct prediction (taking his words on face value and that the account is not a faked case study) therefore was a contribution of Rao's supernatural gift of intuition rather than the scientific use of astrology. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2008 Report Share Posted March 25, 2008 Very good one - The problem is that people can use astrology in thousand ways to do post mortem.Modern day famours astrologers failed to use astrology to benefit their own lives:* BV Raman could not predict his son's premature death - else he could have remedied it* Nor could BV Raman predict the divorce of his own daughter despite using his kuta system of matching* Sanjay Rath divorced his first wife Sushama to marry his discipleAlso the books by these greats don't tell anything about predicting. I had bought many BV Raman books, KN Rao books (they are most confusing - with all kinds of analyses) and Sanjay Rath's books.The time when I learnt to predict (atleast the formal rules that can be generalized) is Sreenadhji's uploads, discussions with Sreenadhji and learnings from posts of people like sunil nairji, sreeramji etc.Case for thought - How come famous astrologers could not foresee their own fallings in life?RegardsKiranchandra_hari18 <chandra_hari18 wrote: A Case Study Published by Sri KN Rao 1.Justice Nandlal Untwalia (a) Given birth details: 1September 1915, 1700 at Sitamarhi: 26N35, 85E32. The horoscope cast for the above details is as follows: Jupiter ® Moon Saturn Mars Ra´si ´Sikhi Lagna Rahu Venus Sun Merc. Moon Saturn Mars ´Sikhi Navamśa Jupiter Venus Merc. Lagna Sun Rahu Mars Rahu ´Sikhi Lag. Mer. Mo Sa Jup Da´samśa Ra´si x 10 Sun Venus ·Longitudes computed for 05:05:39 PM IST: Lagna: 295020' Sun: 134032' Moon: 43001', Mars: 74058', Mercury: 150021', Jupiter®: 332010',Venus:131029', Saturn: 80011',Rahu: 293050', ´Sikhi: 113050'. Ayanamśa: 23024'. Lagna for 1700 IST: 293037', which takes da´samśa in Taurus, the 5th house. Da´samśa in the 6th more likely for a judicial officer and so the time is rectified as 05:05:39 by Kundakriya. (b) Under the title "The Drama of a Prediction" Rao has discussed the horoscope in an article published in the astrological magazine [October 1983] and his book "Ups and Downs in Career". To make a most accurate prediction he had used Kumbha as Lagna and that I consider as an erroneous astrological reasoning. In fact without the erroneous reasoning he could not have made a correct prediction as he had neither the true ayanamśa [correct horoscope] nor the correct Varga like Da´samśa and obviously the concept of interpretation of the Vargas or Divisional Charts that he possessed was incorrect. See the data as used by him: · Da´sa at birth used by him was 07 years 01 month against the true value of: 7y-8m-25d · Seventh lord Sun [Daradhipa] is placed in own house Leo under the special aspect of Lagnapati ´Sani – Rao reconciled such a wonderful disposition of the seventh house with the death of wife in June 1957 during Jupiter(d)- Venus(b): He says the seventh and seventh lords are afflicted by Saturn, which is not correct as Saturn happens to be Lagnapati. It is the fundamental axiom of astrology that the Lagnapati is always beneficial by placement and aspect except for its own weakness contributed by other factors. Jupiter ® Moon Saturn Mars Lagna Ra´si ´Sikhi Rahu Venus Sun Merc. Saturn Moon Mars ´Sikhi Navamśa Jupiter Venus Merc. Sun Rahu Lagna § Have a look at the Navamśa: Ninth house Libra is Lagna and Jupiter, Venus, Mercury are in Kendras and in no way the positions imply a tragedy for spouse during Jupiter(d)- Venus(b). § In contrast note the true Navamśa for the given time: Lagna takes amśa in the eighth and Mars along with Nodes renders heavy affliction with Jupiter and Venus in the 12th house. In Ra´si seventh house has the affliction of the Nodes even though the lord Moon is exalted which suggests plurality. § Rao's account further gives the detail that in the same year a daughter too died which obviously mean that the astrological factors are adversely related to both the seventh and fifth houses: with the actual chart the seventh lord Moon is placed in the fifth house and the dispositor Venus is posited in the eighth house. § His only surviving daughter was born in 1952 during Jupiter(d)-Saturn(b) as per the actual chart where Jupiter is the Saptamśa Lagnapati and Saturn (Ra´six7) is exalted. § In 1958, Untwalia became the judge of the Patna High Court: Jupiter(d)-Sun(b) according to Rao whereas it was Jupiter(d)-Venus(b) up to 8 December 1958. Venus who was responsible the death of wife and child is also the 10th lord occupying Leo along with Sun. Planets placed in Leo are observed to boost the career and that is the case here. Of course Sun's period was better. Career as a judicial officer is well reflected in the da´samśa where Sun occupies the ninth house of Kalapurusa, Dhanu the lawgiver of the Zodiac. § Becomes Chief Justice of High Court in Saturn(d)-´Sikhi(b), in latter half of 1970: Rao has placed the event at the onset of Venus(b). § Drama of the prediction that Rao has described occurred in April to September 1974: His elevation to the Supreme Court [25 August 1974] after the unexpected demise of Justice Mukherji. True ayanamśa explains the situation very well: ´Sani da´sa-Surya bhukti began for Untwalia only on 19 May 1974 and on 25 August he was having Rahu cidram and ´Sikhi suksmantara. Note that it was the death of Mukherji that brought good luck for Untwalia in Surya bhukti. This example tells us to what really is the true Da´samśa: Note the Ra´si x 10 Chart given above: Lagna has taken amśa in the sixth house that signifies Courts and Cases and the lord of that house simultaneously owns the ninth house signifying the Law. A conglomeration of Jupiter, Mercury, Saturn and Moon occurs in Lagna aspected by 8th Lord Sun from the esoteric Law House – Sagittarius. Note that Untwalia had the sixth lord exalted in the ninth house and the same exalted Mercury had become the Da´samśa-Lagnapati to raise him to the position of a Judge of the Supreme Court. The correct prediction (taking his words on face value and that the account is not a faked case study) therefore was a contribution of Rao's supernatural gift of intuition rather than the scientific use of astrology. Meet people who discuss and share your passions. Join them now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2008 Report Share Posted March 25, 2008 I have quoted the AM article and the book correctly. I take Dasamsa as Rasix10. Just as Navamsa is Rasix9. You can have your conclusions as to Makara is Lagna or Kumbha. Whole astrology today is a subjective business. You can have any ayanamsa, any kind of Vargas and any humbug nonsense as astrological research. chandra hari , " Ram Jaswal " <rkjaswal wrote: > > Namaste Chandra Hari > > using Lahiri Ayanamsa I get Asc as 24Cap20 for given date (1st Sept '1915) and time (5pm) with Vargottama Exalted Moon in Navamsa using JHora s/w - does Sri KN Rao mention the Asc rising for Aqu rising chart in astrological magazine [October 1983] or his book " Ups and Downs in Career " ? > > Re:Dasamsa personally feel Tau rising with Mer,Moon & Rahu and Mars,Jup & Ketu in 7th Hse per given timing is more preferable to Gemini rising as Mer (LL) in 12th Hse wouldn't be well placed along with Sun in 8th Hse? > > Re:Aqu rising understandable Sri KN Rao describing Sani's aspects as being malefic as (a) Sani is 12th Lord as well as LL and (b) is with Mars hence afflicted itself ........ > > Do you have more data on Justice Nandlal Untwalia re:dates/events etc? > > Thanks and regards ...... > > Jai Sita Ram > > Ram > > _____ > > On Behalf Of chandra_hari18 > 25 March 2008 08:47 > > See an Interesting Case Study > > > > > > A Case Study Published by Sri KN Rao > > > 1.Justice Nandlal Untwalia > > (a) Given birth details: 1September 1915, 1700 at Sitamarhi: 26N35, 85E32. The horoscope cast for the above details is as follows: > > > Jupiter > > ® > > Moon > > Saturn > > Mars > > > > Ra´si > > ´Sikhi > > > Lagna > > Rahu > > Venus > > Sun > > > Merc. > > > Moon > > Saturn > > > Mars > > ´Sikhi > > > Navamśa > > Jupiter > > Venus > > > Merc. > > Lagna > > Sun > > Rahu > > > > Mars > > Rahu > > ´Sikhi > > Lag. > > Mer. > > Mo Sa Jup > > > > Da´samśa > > > Ra´si x 10 > > > > Sun > > Venus > > ·Longitudes computed for 05:05:39 PM IST: > > Lagna: 295020' Sun: 134032' Moon: 43001', Mars: 74058', Mercury: 150021', Jupiter®: 332010',Venus:131029', Saturn: 80011',Rahu: 293050', ´Sikhi: 113050'. Ayanamśa: 23024'. > > Lagna for 1700 IST: 293037', which takes da´samśa in Taurus, the 5th house. Da´samśa in the 6th more likely for a judicial officer and so the time is rectified as 05:05:39 by Kundakriya. > > > > (b) Under the title " The Drama of a Prediction " Rao has discussed the horoscope in an article published in the astrological magazine [October 1983] and his book " Ups and Downs in Career " . To make a most accurate prediction he had used Kumbha as Lagna and that I consider as an erroneous astrological reasoning. In fact without the erroneous reasoning he could not have made a correct prediction as he had neither the true ayanamśa [correct horoscope] nor the correct Varga like Da´samśa and obviously the concept of interpretation of the Vargas or Divisional Charts that he possessed was incorrect. See the data as used by him: > > · Da´sa at birth used by him was 07 years 01 month against the true value of: 7y-8m-25d > > · Seventh lord Sun [Daradhipa] is placed in own house Leo under the special aspect of Lagnapati ´Sani †" Rao reconciled such a wonderful disposition of the seventh house with the death of wife in June 1957 during Jupiter(d)- Venus(b): He says the seventh and seventh lords are afflicted by Saturn, which is not correct as Saturn happens to be Lagnapati. It is the fundamental axiom of astrology that the Lagnapati is always beneficial by placement and aspect except for its own weakness contributed by other factors. > > > Jupiter > > ® > > Moon > > Saturn > > Mars > > > Lagna > > > Ra´si > > ´Sikhi > > > Rahu > > Venus > > Sun > > > Merc. > > > Saturn > > Moon > > > Mars > > ´Sikhi > > > Navamśa > > Jupiter > > Venus > > > Merc. > > Sun > > Rahu > > > Lagna > > § Have a look at the Navamśa: Ninth house Libra is Lagna and Jupiter, Venus, Mercury are in Kendras and in no way the positions imply a tragedy for spouse during Jupiter(d)- Venus(b). > > § In contrast note the true Navamśa for the given time: Lagna takes amśa in the eighth and Mars along with Nodes renders heavy affliction with Jupiter and Venus in the 12th house. In Ra´si seventh house has the affliction of the Nodes even though the lord Moon is exalted which suggests plurality. > > § Rao's account further gives the detail that in the same year a daughter too died which obviously mean that the astrological factors are adversely related to both the seventh and fifth houses: with the actual chart the seventh lord Moon is placed in the fifth house and the dispositor Venus is posited in the eighth house. > > § His only surviving daughter was born in 1952 during Jupiter(d)-Saturn(b) as per the actual chart where Jupiter is the Saptamśa Lagnapati and Saturn (Ra´six7) is exalted. > > § In 1958, Untwalia became the judge of the Patna High Court: Jupiter(d)-Sun(b) according to Rao whereas it was Jupiter(d)-Venus(b) up to 8 December 1958. Venus who was responsible the death of wife and child is also the 10th lord occupying Leo along with Sun. Planets placed in Leo are observed to boost the career and that is the case here. Of course Sun's period was better. Career as a judicial officer is well reflected in the da´samśa where Sun occupies the ninth house of Kalapurusa, Dhanu the lawgiver of the Zodiac. > > § Becomes Chief Justice of High Court in Saturn(d)-´Sikhi(b), in latter half of 1970: Rao has placed the event at the onset of Venus(b). > > § Drama of the prediction that Rao has described occurred in April to September 1974: His elevation to the Supreme Court [25 August 1974] after the unexpected demise of Justice Mukherji. True ayanamśa explains the situation very well: ´Sani da´sa-Surya bhukti began for Untwalia only on 19 May 1974 and on 25 August he was having Rahu cidram and ´Sikhi suksmantara. Note that it was the death of Mukherji that brought good luck for Untwalia in Surya bhukti. > > This example tells us to what really is the true Da´samśa: Note the Ra´si x 10 Chart given above: Lagna has taken amśa in the sixth house that signifies Courts and Cases and the lord of that house simultaneously owns the ninth house signifying the Law. A conglomeration of Jupiter, Mercury, Saturn and Moon occurs in Lagna aspected by 8th Lord Sun from the esoteric Law House †" Sagittarius. Note that Untwalia had the sixth lord exalted in the ninth house and the same exalted Mercury had become the Da´samśa-Lagnapati to raise him to the position of a Judge of the Supreme Court. > > The correct prediction (taking his words on face value and that the account is not a faked case study) therefore was a contribution of Rao's supernatural gift of intuition rather than the scientific use of astrology. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2008 Report Share Posted March 25, 2008 Namaste Chandra Hari pray why so defensive (?) ........ With the date/time given I can only assume Sri KN Rao must have been using a different Ayanamsa from Lahiri to have got Aqu rising - hence query regarding Any mention of Asc degree rising for Aqu Lagna? Assuming the use of Libra Asc for Navamsa the timing will be @5:20 - 5:28pm? I agree with the rest of your comments other than " humbug nonsense as astrological research " ........ Regards ....... Jai Sita Ram Ram _____ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2008 Report Share Posted March 25, 2008  Namaste Kiran who is "totally" un-biased when looking at their own or loved ones charts? Surely one would always prefer a favourable outcome than otherwise when weighting up the pros/cons of different possibilities prevalent in any given chart - more so when personal? Also do you honestly think that death/divorce can be totally avoided by conducting remedial measures? Inaddition don't forget that they All are Humans and hence not above making mistakes (?) ........ Regards ........ Jai Sita Ram Ram On Behalf Of Kiran R25 March 2008 17:15 Subject: Re:See an Interesting Case Study Very good one - The problem is that people can use astrology in thousand ways to do post mortem.Modern day famours astrologers failed to use astrology to benefit their own lives:* BV Raman could not predict his son's premature death - else he could have remedied it* Nor could BV Raman predict the divorce of his own daughter despite using his kuta system of matching* Sanjay Rath divorced his first wife Sushama to marry his discipleAlso the books by these greats don't tell anything about predicting. I had bought many BV Raman books, KN Rao books (they are most confusing - with all kinds of analyses) and Sanjay Rath's books.The time when I learnt to predict (atleast the formal rules that can be generalized) is Sreenadhji's uploads, discussions with Sreenadhji and learnings from posts of people like sunil nairji, sreeramji etc.Case for thought - How come famous astrologers could not foresee their own fallings in life?RegardsKiranchandra_hari18 <chandra_hari18 > wrote: A Case Study Published by Sri KN Rao 1.Justice Nandlal Untwalia (a) Given birth details: 1September 1915, 1700 at Sitamarhi: 26N35, 85E32. The horoscope cast for the above details is as follows: Jupiter ® Moon Saturn Mars Ra´si ´Sikhi Lagna Rahu Venus Sun Merc. Moon Saturn Mars ´Sikhi Navamśa Jupiter Venus Merc. Lagna Sun Rahu Mars Rahu ´Sikhi Lag. Mer. Mo Sa Jup Da´samśa Ra´si x 10 Sun Venus ·Longitudes computed for 05:05:39 PM IST: Lagna: 295020' Sun: 134032' Moon: 43001', Mars: 74058', Mercury: 150021', Jupiter®: 332010',Venus:131029', Saturn: 80011',Rahu: 293050', ´Sikhi: 113050'. Ayanamśa: 23024'. Lagna for 1700 IST: 293037', which takes da´samśa in Taurus, the 5th house. Da´samśa in the 6th more likely for a judicial officer and so the time is rectified as 05:05:39 by Kundakriya. (b) Under the title "The Drama of a Prediction" Rao has discussed the horoscope in an article published in the astrological magazine [October 1983] and his book "Ups and Downs in Career". To make a most accurate prediction he had used Kumbha as Lagna and that I consider as an erroneous astrological reasoning. In fact without the erroneous reasoning he could not have made a correct prediction as he had neither the true ayanamśa [correct horoscope] nor the correct Varga like Da´samśa and obviously the concept of interpretation of the Vargas or Divisional Charts that he possessed was incorrect. See the data as used by him: · Da´sa at birth used by him was 07 years 01 month against the true value of: 7y-8m-25d · Seventh lord Sun [Daradhipa] is placed in own house Leo under the special aspect of Lagnapati ´Sani – Rao reconciled such a wonderful disposition of the seventh house with the death of wife in June 1957 during Jupiter(d)- Venus(b): He says the seventh and seventh lords are afflicted by Saturn, which is not correct as Saturn happens to be Lagnapati. It is the fundamental axiom of astrology that the Lagnapati is always beneficial by placement and aspect except for its own weakness contributed by other factors. Jupiter ® Moon Saturn Mars Lagna Ra´si ´Sikhi Rahu Venus Sun Merc. Saturn Moon Mars ´Sikhi Navamśa Jupiter Venus Merc. Sun Rahu Lagna § Have a look at the Navamśa: Ninth house Libra is Lagna and Jupiter, Venus, Mercury are in Kendras and in no way the positions imply a tragedy for spouse during Jupiter(d)- Venus(b). § In contrast note the true Navamśa for the given time: Lagna takes amśa in the eighth and Mars along with Nodes renders heavy affliction with Jupiter and Venus in the 12th house. In Ra´si seventh house has the affliction of the Nodes even though the lord Moon is exalted which suggests plurality. § Rao's account further gives the detail that in the same year a daughter too died which obviously mean that the astrological factors are adversely related to both the seventh and fifth houses: with the actual chart the seventh lord Moon is placed in the fifth house and the dispositor Venus is posited in the eighth house. § His only surviving daughter was born in 1952 during Jupiter(d)-Saturn(b) as per the actual chart where Jupiter is the Saptamśa Lagnapati and Saturn (Ra´six7) is exalted. § In 1958, Untwalia became the judge of the Patna High Court: Jupiter(d)-Sun(b) according to Rao whereas it was Jupiter(d)-Venus(b) up to 8 December 1958. Venus who was responsible the death of wife and child is also the 10th lord occupying Leo along with Sun. Planets placed in Leo are observed to boost the career and that is the case here. Of course Sun's period was better. Career as a judicial officer is well reflected in the da´samśa where Sun occupies the ninth house of Kalapurusa, Dhanu the lawgiver of the Zodiac. § Becomes Chief Justice of High Court in Saturn(d)-´Sikhi(b), in latter half of 1970: Rao has placed the event at the onset of Venus(b). § Drama of the prediction that Rao has described occurred in April to September 1974: His elevation to the Supreme Court [25 August 1974] after the unexpected demise of Justice Mukherji. True ayanamśa explains the situation very well: ´Sani da´sa-Surya bhukti began for Untwalia only on 19 May 1974 and on 25 August he was having Rahu cidram and ´Sikhi suksmantara. Note that it was the death of Mukherji that brought good luck for Untwalia in Surya bhukti. This example tells us to what really is the true Da´samśa: Note the Ra´si x 10 Chart given above: Lagna has taken amśa in the sixth house that signifies Courts and Cases and the lord of that house simultaneously owns the ninth house signifying the Law. A conglomeration of Jupiter, Mercury, Saturn and Moon occurs in Lagna aspected by 8th Lord Sun from the esoteric Law House – Sagittarius. Note that Untwalia had the sixth lord exalted in the ninth house and the same exalted Mercury had become the Da´samśa-Lagnapati to raise him to the position of a Judge of the Supreme Court. The correct prediction (taking his words on face value and that the account is not a faked case study) therefore was a contribution of Rao's supernatural gift of intuition rather than the scientific use of astrology. Meet people who discuss and share your passions. Join them now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2008 Report Share Posted March 26, 2008 Namaste Ramji,I am not telling death/divorce could have been avoided in case of BV Raman's son/daughter, Sanjay Rath: but it could have been predicted. - in marriage, if divorce is indicated that alliance could have been avoidedRegardsKiranRam Jaswal <rkjaswal wrote:  Namaste Kiran who is "totally" un-biased when looking at their own or loved ones charts? Surely one would always prefer a favourable outcome than otherwise when weighting up the pros/cons of different possibilities prevalent in any given chart - more so when personal? Also do you honestly think that death/divorce can be totally avoided by conducting remedial measures? Inaddition don't forget that they All are Humans and hence not above making mistakes (?) ........ Regards ........ Jai Sita Ram Ram On Behalf Of Kiran R25 March 2008 17:15 Subject: Re:See an Interesting Case Study Very good one - The problem is that people can use astrology in thousand ways to do post mortem.Modern day famours astrologers failed to use astrology to benefit their own lives:* BV Raman could not predict his son's premature death - else he could have remedied it* Nor could BV Raman predict the divorce of his own daughter despite using his kuta system of matching* Sanjay Rath divorced his first wife Sushama to marry his discipleAlso the books by these greats don't tell anything about predicting. I had bought many BV Raman books, KN Rao books (they are most confusing - with all kinds of analyses) and Sanjay Rath's books.The time when I learnt to predict (atleast the formal rules that can be generalized) is Sreenadhji's uploads, discussions with Sreenadhji and learnings from posts of people like sunil nairji, sreeramji etc.Case for thought - How come famous astrologers could not foresee their own fallings in life?RegardsKiranchandra_hari18 <chandra_hari18 > wrote: A Case Study Published by Sri KN Rao 1.Justice Nandlal Untwalia (a) Given birth details: 1September 1915, 1700 at Sitamarhi: 26N35, 85E32. The horoscope cast for the above details is as follows: Jupiter ® Moon Saturn Mars Ra´si ´Sikhi Lagna Rahu Venus Sun Merc. Moon Saturn Mars ´Sikhi Navamśa Jupiter Venus Merc. Lagna Sun Rahu Mars Rahu ´Sikhi Lag. Mer. Mo Sa Jup Da´samśa Ra´si x 10 Sun Venus ·Longitudes computed for 05:05:39 PM IST: Lagna: 295020' Sun: 134032' Moon: 43001', Mars: 74058', Mercury: 150021', Jupiter®: 332010',Venus:131029', Saturn: 80011',Rahu: 293050', ´Sikhi: 113050'. Ayanamśa: 23024'. Lagna for 1700 IST: 293037', which takes da´samśa in Taurus, the 5th house. Da´samśa in the 6th more likely for a judicial officer and so the time is rectified as 05:05:39 by Kundakriya. (b) Under the title "The Drama of a Prediction" Rao has discussed the horoscope in an article published in the astrological magazine [October 1983] and his book "Ups and Downs in Career". To make a most accurate prediction he had used Kumbha as Lagna and that I consider as an erroneous astrological reasoning. In fact without the erroneous reasoning he could not have made a correct prediction as he had neither the true ayanamśa [correct horoscope] nor the correct Varga like Da´samśa and obviously the concept of interpretation of the Vargas or Divisional Charts that he possessed was incorrect. See the data as used by him: · Da´sa at birth used by him was 07 years 01 month against the true value of: 7y-8m-25d · Seventh lord Sun [Daradhipa] is placed in own house Leo under the special aspect of Lagnapati ´Sani – Rao reconciled such a wonderful disposition of the seventh house with the death of wife in June 1957 during Jupiter(d)- Venus(b): He says the seventh and seventh lords are afflicted by Saturn, which is not correct as Saturn happens to be Lagnapati. It is the fundamental axiom of astrology that the Lagnapati is always beneficial by placement and aspect except for its own weakness contributed by other factors. Jupiter ® Moon Saturn Mars Lagna Ra´si ´Sikhi Rahu Venus Sun Merc. Saturn Moon Mars ´Sikhi Navamśa Jupiter Venus Merc. Sun Rahu Lagna § Have a look at the Navamśa: Ninth house Libra is Lagna and Jupiter, Venus, Mercury are in Kendras and in no way the positions imply a tragedy for spouse during Jupiter(d)- Venus(b). § In contrast note the true Navamśa for the given time: Lagna takes amśa in the eighth and Mars along with Nodes renders heavy affliction with Jupiter and Venus in the 12th house. In Ra´si seventh house has the affliction of the Nodes even though the lord Moon is exalted which suggests plurality. § Rao's account further gives the detail that in the same year a daughter too died which obviously mean that the astrological factors are adversely related to both the seventh and fifth houses: with the actual chart the seventh lord Moon is placed in the fifth house and the dispositor Venus is posited in the eighth house. § His only surviving daughter was born in 1952 during Jupiter(d)-Saturn(b) as per the actual chart where Jupiter is the Saptamśa Lagnapati and Saturn (Ra´six7) is exalted. § In 1958, Untwalia became the judge of the Patna High Court: Jupiter(d)-Sun(b) according to Rao whereas it was Jupiter(d)-Venus(b) up to 8 December 1958. Venus who was responsible the death of wife and child is also the 10th lord occupying Leo along with Sun. Planets placed in Leo are observed to boost the career and that is the case here. Of course Sun's period was better. Career as a judicial officer is well reflected in the da´samśa where Sun occupies the ninth house of Kalapurusa, Dhanu the lawgiver of the Zodiac. § Becomes Chief Justice of High Court in Saturn(d)-´Sikhi(b), in latter half of 1970: Rao has placed the event at the onset of Venus(b). § Drama of the prediction that Rao has described occurred in April to September 1974: His elevation to the Supreme Court [25 August 1974] after the unexpected demise of Justice Mukherji. True ayanamśa explains the situation very well: ´Sani da´sa-Surya bhukti began for Untwalia only on 19 May 1974 and on 25 August he was having Rahu cidram and ´Sikhi suksmantara. Note that it was the death of Mukherji that brought good luck for Untwalia in Surya bhukti. This example tells us to what really is the true Da´samśa: Note the Ra´si x 10 Chart given above: Lagna has taken amśa in the sixth house that signifies Courts and Cases and the lord of that house simultaneously owns the ninth house signifying the Law. A conglomeration of Jupiter, Mercury, Saturn and Moon occurs in Lagna aspected by 8th Lord Sun from the esoteric Law House – Sagittarius. Note that Untwalia had the sixth lord exalted in the ninth house and the same exalted Mercury had become the Da´samśa-Lagnapati to raise him to the position of a Judge of the Supreme Court. The correct prediction (taking his words on face value and that the account is not a faked case study) therefore was a contribution of Rao's supernatural gift of intuition rather than the scientific use of astrology. Meet people who discuss and share your passions. Join them now. Now you can chat without downloading messenger. Click here to know how. 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Guest guest Posted March 26, 2008 Report Share Posted March 26, 2008 Dear friends, Despite all the hi_fi talk on Jyotisha and Yoga, Dr. BV Raman could not foresee that AM will be closed within a decade because of the infighting of his children. He could not understand the charts of his own kids and failed to take care of the AM from the kids who turned quarrelsome for money sake. All Yoga, all the talks in AM of Hindu heritage, discourses on the brotherly love of Ramayana etc all proved fruitless to impart wisdom to his kids. Gap between preaching and practice is the biggest problem of life. Jyotisha cannot serve selfish people as biased approach shall beget only such judgments as to cause ruin. Any use of astrology for selfish purpose shall only lead to negative results. chandra hari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2008 Report Share Posted March 26, 2008 .....Any use of astrology for selfish purpose shall only lead to negative results.Very well-said Chandra Hari ji regardsneelamOn 26/03/2008, chandra_hari18 <chandra_hari18 wrote: Dear friends, Despite all the hi_fi talk on Jyotisha and Yoga, Dr. BV Raman could not foresee that AM will be closed within a decade because of the infighting of his children. He could not understand the charts of his own kids and failed to take care of the AM from the kids who turned quarrelsome for money sake. All Yoga, all the talks in AM of Hindu heritage, discourses on the brotherly love of Ramayana etc all proved fruitless to impart wisdom to his kids. Gap between preaching and practice is the biggest problem of life. Jyotisha cannot serve selfish people as biased approach shall beget only such judgments as to cause ruin. Any use of astrology for selfish purpose shall only lead to negative results. chandra hari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2008 Report Share Posted March 26, 2008 Namaste Kiran Do you honestly think any Astrologer looks at when ones near and dear ones are going to meet their death – except when “forced” to by circumstances? Also do you seriously think “Divorce” is only shown with one particular alliance in ones chart and that it can be avoided by Not marrying that person? Please don’t be so flippant in your thinking – what one has to suffer through ones Chart No one can avoid – yes by “remedial” measures the impact can be lessened to some extent But never totally removed ….. Kind regards ……. Jai Sita Ram Ram On Behalf Of Kiran R 26 March 2008 04:56 RE: Re:See an Interesting Case Study Namaste Ramji, I am not telling death/divorce could have been avoided in case of BV Raman's son/daughter, Sanjay Rath: but it could have been predicted. - in marriage, if divorce is indicated that alliance could have been avoided Regards Kiran Ram Jaswal <rkjaswal (AT) tiscali (DOT) co.uk> wrote:  Namaste Kiran who is " totally " un-biased when looking at their own or loved ones charts? Surely one would always prefer a favourable outcome than otherwise when weighting u p the pros/cons of different possibilities prevalent in any given chart - more so when personal? Also do you honestly think that death/divorce can be totally avoided by conducting remedial measures? Inaddition don't forget that they All are Humans and hence not above making mistakes (?) ........ Regards ........ Jai Sita Ram Ram On Behalf Of Kiran R 25 March 2008 17:15 Re:See an Interesting Case Study Very good one - The problem is that people can use astrology in thousand ways to do post mortem. Modern day famours astrologers failed to use astrology to benefit their own lives: * BV Raman could not predict his son's premature death - else he could have remedied it * Nor could BV Raman predict the divorce of his own daughter despite using his kuta system of matching * Sanjay Rath divorced his first wife Sushama to marry his disciple Also the books by these greats don't tell anything about predicting. I had bought many BV Raman books, KN Rao books (they are most confusing - with all kinds of analyses) and Sanjay Rath's books. The time when I learnt to predict (atleast the formal rules that can be generalized) is Sreenadhji's uploads, discussions with Sreenadhji and learnings from posts of people like sunil nairji, sreeramji etc. Case for thought - How come famous astrologers could not foresee their own fallings in life? Regards Kiran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2008 Report Share Posted March 26, 2008 Respected Members, It is said when one points finger to another,he should not forget three fingers are pointing at him.We should not forget that the Karmas rebound.This message is for everybody. regards, God bless everyone. neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: ....Any use of astrology for selfish purpose shall only lead to negative results.Very well-said Chandra Hari ji regardsneelamOn 26/03/2008, chandra_hari18 <chandra_hari18 > wrote: Dear friends, Despite all the hi_fi talk on Jyotisha and Yoga, Dr. BV Raman could not foresee that AM will be closed within a decade because of the infighting of his children. He could not understand the charts of his own kids and failed to take care of the AM from the kids who turned quarrelsome for money sake. All Yoga, all the talks in AM of Hindu heritage, discourses on the brotherly love of Ramayana etc all proved fruitless to impart wisdom to his kids. Gap between preaching and practice is the biggest problem of life. Jyotisha cannot serve selfish people as biased approach shall beget only such judgments as to cause ruin. Any use of astrology for selfish purpose shall only lead to negative results. chandra hari binode kripalani numerologist 9831664581(Kolkata) binodeuk binode_kripalani Chat on a cool, new interface. No download required. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2008 Report Share Posted March 26, 2008 Dear friends, Raise your fingers against frauds, against media hype intended to fool the public, paranoic claims.... And cut those three fingers that may point to you in defence of the frauds with the razor of selfless pursuit for wisdom. chandra hari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2008 Report Share Posted March 26, 2008 Dear Friend, Do you mean by your observation, that an astrolger can foresee his KARMA.As for as astrology is concerned it is only a diagnosis & it is not a cure or destiny.The maya will blind even greater persons and Mr B.V. Raman is no exeptionchandra_hari18 <chandra_hari18 wrote: Dear friends,Despite all the hi_fi talk on Jyotisha and Yoga, Dr. BV Raman could notforesee that AM will be closed within a decade because of the infightingof his children. He could not understand the charts of his own kids andfailed to take care of the AM from the kids who turned quarrelsome formoney sake.All Yoga, all the talks in AM of Hindu heritage, discourses on thebrotherly love of Ramayana etc all proved fruitless to impart wisdom tohis kids.Gap between preaching and practice is the biggest problem of life. Jyotisha cannot serve selfish people as biased approach shall beget onlysuch judgments as to cause ruin. Any use of astrology for selfishpurpose shall only lead to negative results.chandra hari Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2008 Report Share Posted March 26, 2008 Namaste Who are we to judge BV Raman for the actions of his children? Can he possibly guide them from his “abode above”? Yes – if he was Still alive you could ask questions but Not when he isn’t alive ……. Are you suggesting that every person is held accountable for their children’s actions whether they are alive or not? Who actually knows the reasons for AM’s demise? Please lets stop denigrating past and present “greats” – lets just focus upon ourselves and move on (?) …… Regards ……. Jai Sita Ram Ram On Behalf Of Sivaraman S 26 March 2008 15:39 Re: Re:See an Interesting Case Study Dear Friend, Do you mean by your observation, that an astrolger can foresee his KARMA.As for as astrology is concerned it is only a diagnosis & it is not a cure or destiny.The maya will blind even greater persons and Mr B.V. Raman is no exeption chandra_hari18 <chandra_hari18 > wrote: Dear friends, Despite all the hi_fi talk on Jyotisha and Yoga, Dr. BV Raman could not foresee that AM will be closed within a decade because of the infighting of his children. He could not understand the charts of his own kids and failed to take care of the AM from the kids who turned quarrelsome for money sake. All Yoga, all the talks in AM of Hindu heritage, discourses on the brotherly love of Ramayana etc all proved fruitless to impart wisdom to his kids. Gap between preaching and practice is the biggest problem of life. Jyotisha cannot serve selfish people as biased approach shall beget only such judgments as to cause ruin. Any use of astrology for selfish purpose shall only lead to negative results. chandra hari Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2008 Report Share Posted March 26, 2008 Dear Swathiram, Chandrahariji is correct. Astrology is a tool for prediction not for post-mortem. If it is a post-mortem tool, what is the use? If a person like Sanjay Rath when entering into alliance could not predict it will be a divorce, a great BV Raman who has authored books on longevity and compatibility cannot predict the divorce of his daughter, death of his son: pls. tell me what is the inference? How come no author has tried coming up with a set of rules that can make interpretation easy? Why is it that ambiguity should be built in (is it an escape route?) by these BV Raman, KN Rao and Rath? The reason why many people are members of this forum is because of presence of learned people like Sreenadhji, Chandrahariji, Sunilji and Sreeramji here. Read Sreenadh's uploads on predictions - in sreenadh's folder in the files section - anybody can analyze in a framework. The beauty of astrology lies in predicting. Thanks Kiran , Sivaraman S <swathiram37 wrote: > > Dear Friend, > > Do you mean by your observation, that an astrolger can foresee his KARMA.As for as astrology is concerned it is only a diagnosis & it is not a cure or destiny.The maya will blind even greater persons and Mr B.V. Raman is no exeption > > chandra_hari18 <chandra_hari18 wrote: > Dear friends, > > Despite all the hi_fi talk on Jyotisha and Yoga, Dr. BV Raman could not > foresee that AM will be closed within a decade because of the infighting > of his children. He could not understand the charts of his own kids and > failed to take care of the AM from the kids who turned quarrelsome for > money sake. > > All Yoga, all the talks in AM of Hindu heritage, discourses on the > brotherly love of Ramayana etc all proved fruitless to impart wisdom to > his kids. > > Gap between preaching and practice is the biggest problem of life. > Jyotisha cannot serve selfish people as biased approach shall beget only > such judgments as to cause ruin. Any use of astrology for selfish > purpose shall only lead to negative results. > > chandra hari > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2008 Report Share Posted March 26, 2008 ==>> Who actually knows the reasons for AM's demise?<== The reason for Astrological Magazine's demise is the quarrel between Gayatri ji and Niranjan babu ji and the other members of the family. Since the ownership of the magazine, and the rights for various things lies wtih various members of the family, they cannot help but only stop the mag in face of hard quarrels between coborns. Even good hearted well wishers like Kalyana Raman ji couldn't help to solve the issues and keep the magazine running in face of hard turmoil it seems. Any let us leave the subject and move on. BV Raman ji, Gayatri ji, Niranjan ji, Kalyana Raman ji are all knowledgeable and respectable individuals even though at several instances our opinions may not match with them.==>> Please lets stop denigrating past and present "greats" - lets just > focus upon ourselves and move on (?) .. <== Lacking understanding and mere bookish? Or accurate? Who knows! May be a statement I would prefer and follow is - appreciate the good things and knowledge of the past and present; discard and express in clear words the bogus ignorance clothed as knowledge presented by some great souls of the past; Be impartial and sincere; Let us be sincere to ourselves; let us give imporance to astrology in this group; EXPRESS YOURSELF and BE SINCERE (and DON"T divert much from astrology). May be someone else may have a different opinian; We can neither restrict the freedom or opinian of others nor be non-sincere to ourselves - if we are in true search of knowledge. Love and regards,Sreenadh , "Ram Jaswal" <rkjaswal wrote:>> Namaste> > Who are we to judge BV Raman for the actions of his children? Can he> possibly guide them from his "abode above"? Yes - if he was Still alive you> could ask questions but Not when he isn't alive ... Are you suggesting that> every person is held accountable for their children's actions whether they> are alive or not? Who actually knows the reasons for AM's demise?> > Please lets stop denigrating past and present "greats" - lets just focus> upon ourselves and move on (?) .. > > Regards ...> > Jai Sita Ram> > Ram > > _____ > > > On Behalf Of Sivaraman S> 26 March 2008 15:39> > Re: Re:See an Interesting Case Study> > Dear Friend,> > Do you mean by your observation, that an astrolger can foresee his> KARMA.As for as astrology is concerned it is only a diagnosis & it is not a> cure or destiny.The maya will blind even greater persons and Mr B.V. Raman> is no exeption> > chandra_hari18 chandra_hari18 wrote:> Dear friends,> > Despite all the hi_fi talk on Jyotisha and Yoga, Dr. BV Raman could not> foresee that AM will be closed within a decade because of the infighting> of his children. He could not understand the charts of his own kids and> failed to take care of the AM from the kids who turned quarrelsome for> money sake.> > All Yoga, all the talks in AM of Hindu heritage, discourses on the> brotherly love of Ramayana etc all proved fruitless to impart wisdom to> his kids.> > Gap between preaching and practice is the biggest problem of life. > Jyotisha cannot serve selfish people as biased approach shall beget only> such judgments as to cause ruin. Any use of astrology for selfish> purpose shall only lead to negative results.> > chandra hari> > > _____ > > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get> <http://in.rd./tagline_mail_2/*http:/help./l/in//mail> /mail/tools/tools-08.html/> it now> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2008 Report Share Posted March 26, 2008 Dear friends, Those who while living named themselves as " Abhinava Varahamihira " and made their chelas to repeat it to hypnotize the society, necessarily have the fate to be under social audit even when they are in heaven. False Gods should not be worshipped. Imitations of Varahamihira need not be idolatized. False idols in the corridors of Jyotisha must be thrown out. Larger than life figures created at the cost of the gullible public must be cut short and shown the proper place. A man who could not understand as to what is meant by 1st bhaga calling himself Varahamihira - up above (or down below may be) there must have been heartily laugh to welcome him. chandra hari T , " Ram Jaswal " <rkjaswal wrote: > > Namaste > > Who are we to judge BV Raman for the actions of his children? Can he > possibly guide them from his " abode above " ? Yes - if he was Still alive you > could ask questions but Not when he isn't alive ... Are you suggesting that > every person is held accountable for their children's actions whether they > are alive or not? Who actually knows the reasons for AM's demise? > > Please lets stop denigrating past and present " greats " - lets just focus > upon ourselves and move on (?) .. > > Regards ... > > Jai Sita Ram > > Ram > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2008 Report Share Posted March 27, 2008 Namaste Chandra Hari Pray what does this have to do with his children? As the saying in the Bible goes – let only that person throw a stone who has Never committed a sin - are you suggesting that you are “totally” clean and that your children after you are and will be likewise? Writing ill words towards departed souls or people Not present in a general forum to retort back will only attract bad karma …… Per my earlier note lets drop this useless “discussion” on the list – I have No issues with continuing it off-list if you so desire? For what it is worth I have No desire in pursuing it further ……. Regards ……. Jai Sita Ram Ram Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2008 Report Share Posted March 28, 2008 Dear Kiran JI, I have not told that astrological prediction as postmortem. It is a diagnosis.An good astrologer can predict future but with a limitation. Our group, as I have understood, is not interested in modern or mediavel astrolegers unless it is based on ancient rishi horos. Therefore why so much fuss about BVRamakatha or Rathayanam. Moreover no body publishes their personal and \ or family predictions for public consumption' " kiran.rama " <kiran.rama wrote: Dear Swathiram, Chandrahariji is correct. Astrology is a tool for prediction not for post-mortem. If it is a post-mortem tool, what is the use? If a person like Sanjay Rath when entering into alliance could not predict it will be a divorce, a great BV Raman who has authored books on longevity and compatibility cannot predict the divorce of his daughter, death of his son: pls. tell me what is the inference? How come no author has tried coming up with a set of rules that can make interpretation easy? Why is it that ambiguity should be built in (is it an escape route?) by these BV Raman, KN Rao and Rath? The reason why many people are members of this forum is because of presence of learned people like Sreenadhji, Chandrahariji, Sunilji and Sreeramji here. Read Sreenadh's uploads on predictions - in sreenadh's folder in the files section - anybody can analyze in a framework. The beauty of astrology lies in predicting. Thanks Kiran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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