Guest guest Posted March 21, 2008 Report Share Posted March 21, 2008 Namaskar, extending discussions of palnetary war. Lets take a situation, where Budh-Adiya yoga is formed. Lets say Me is ahead in Longitudes, thus defeating sun in planetary war. Su loses its capability to do good(as was mentioned). But Su combusts Me, thus rendering it incapable of giving good results. by above, it means both planets have lost their potency to do good. So logically, Budh-Aditya yoga is rendered useless. Kindly comments, the members of groups. Regards, sanjeev sharma , " sunil nair " <astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > > > > Hare ramakrishna > > dear martin ji > > > > forget add few line as correction in ur post > > > > I said except venus all planets who has higher longitude is winner means > venus is winner only when in low longitude . > > > > now i am open to charts if u can post ny who has passed venus dasa s /or > by members ,so we can in practical aspect how the planet behavs than our > old tradition tarka and ku tarka and my guru and ur guru > > > > we r all here to see the prctical aspect of astro than what so many old > rishis ( may b even corrupted texts ) said this text or that text . > > > > regrds sunil nair > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah . > > > > > , " sunil nair " > <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna > > > > dear Martine ji , > > > > > > > > Thanks for the query . > > > > > > > > I dont know what sanjay rath teaches as i am not his student >Also if > u > > ask me to mention the BPHS or any astro texts still i hav some books > > which many memebrs buys and finaly contributes to me .So i dont hav > any > > classical texts with me other than memeory ,I go by my gurupadesa and > my > > memory and i am not very good in mathematical part of astrology . > > > > > > > > As a hard core astrologer who blv s only in predictions (means the > > results ) as jyothisham phalamadesa ,so i generaly cant answer any of > > mathematical or astronomical or even hard core theorey with this text > > ,this page and that line kind of intellectual debate s ,still need to > > cater min 20 queries per day including i am memebr of many forums ,so > > has even less time to go for theretical understanding and what i got > is > > my exp by seeing so many chart in last one decade min ever since i > took > > up seriously astro . > > > > > > > > so i ran a search and this is wat wiki says > > > > ========================================= > > > > If viewed from above the Sun's north pole, all of the planets are > > orbiting in a counter-clockwise direction; but while most planets also > > rotate counter-clockwise, Venus rotates clockwise in " retrograde " > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retrograde_motion> rotation. The > question > > of how Venus came to have a slow, retrograde rotation was a major > puzzle > > for scientists when the planet's rotation period was first measured. > > When it formed from the solar nebula > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_nebula> , Venus would have had a > > much faster, prograde rotation, but calculations show that over > billions > > of years, tidal <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tide> effects on its > > dense atmosphere could have slowed down its initial rotation to the > > value seen today.[36][37 > > > > > ====================================================================== ==\ > \ > > ============== > > > > so it clearly shows some eccentricity or venus what i mentioned in > > sankrit a sort of prathiloma . > > > > > > > > hope it clears the doubt and more learned and ppl who done reserch in > > astrology is here in this grp > > > > If they hav time and will they may answer u better ,so we can correct > > our understanding . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Martine " > > arteminfr@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Teachers and Members, > > > > > > Thank-you for your answers. > > > > > > Sunil Nair ji, I don't understand what you mean by Venus going > reverse > > > in her movement. Venus moves like the other planets, following the > > > zodiacal order, except when retrograde. It is not retrograde in this > > > chart. As to its rotation on her axis, I believe that Uranus is the > > > only planet that rotates in reverse compared to the other planets, > > > but I have not found anything on this in my documents. Uranus is not > > > used in jyotish. > > > > > > It seems most of you think the planet with the lower longitude is > the > > > winner. I read from Pr Sanjay Rath that the planet with the higher > > > longitude is the winner in personal charts. Dp you know any > classical > > > reference on this point ? Is it mentioned in the BPHS ? > > > > > > Kind regards > > > Martine > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2008 Report Share Posted March 21, 2008 Hare ramakrishna dear sanjiv ji Planetary war can happen only between kujadhi pancha grahas ,sun and moon is considered superior to it by rishis And my take on combustion to merc need not given too much importance unless deep combust ,still it will retain its karaka effects like intelligence and education may be in dasas some problems for exmple amitabh ji s chart ,so far i can remebr his mercury is combust and it wont affected his education ,intelligence or even dialogue delivery where as he suffered fall in mercury dasa ( rest of it depends on how it got bettered in Vargas --corresponding ) Mrs -Najma heptulla she left congress and joined BJP during her merc dasa and she dont got any benefit out of it (now many detailes is not coming to memory other lerned memebrs can correct me ) sir Issac Newton his merc is combust and debilated --he was problem kid during education time and he become world famous scientist known for his intellect too because debilation ,it giv its effect in intitial yrs other lerned memebrs may come out with more clear ideas ( as my merc is vakri aspected by a debilated planet) regrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah , "pashu_sanju" <pashu_sanju wrote:>> Namaskar,> extending discussions of palnetary war. Lets take a situation, where > Budh-Adiya yoga is formed. Lets say Me is ahead in Longitudes, thus > defeating sun in planetary war. Su loses its capability to do good(as > was mentioned). But Su combusts Me, thus rendering it incapable of > giving good results. by above, it means both planets have lost their > potency to do good. So logically, Budh-Aditya yoga is rendered > useless.> > Kindly comments, the members of groups.> > Regards,> sanjeev sharma > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2008 Report Share Posted March 22, 2008 Namaskar, Dear Sanjeev Sharma ji, I do not think this works, because the Sun, the Moon and the Nodes are never involved in Planetary war. Regards Martine -- In , " pashu_sanju " <pashu_sanju wrote: > > Namaskar, > extending discussions of palnetary war. Lets take a situation, where > Budh-Adiya yoga is formed. Lets say Me is ahead in Longitudes, thus > defeating sun in planetary war. Su loses its capability to do good(as > was mentioned). But Su combusts Me, thus rendering it incapable of > giving good results. by above, it means both planets have lost their > potency to do good. So logically, Budh-Aditya yoga is rendered > useless. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2008 Report Share Posted March 22, 2008 Namskar, Lets discuss planetary war bit more. lets take a situation where saturn and ve are in yuti. Ve has higher in lat. and hence loses plnetary war. but Ve is yogakaraka. Couple of questions arises: 1. Since Ve is Yogakarka, will it lose its goodness due to above mentioned losing? 2. Dasas are very long, which invariably has good periods intermingled with bad periods and average periods. How far war loser will be affected? can we quantify badness that creeps in due to above loss? can we say certain bad pweriods are due to losing of planets in war. 3. If Sa-Ve forms rajyoga, will it fructify, if one of planet has lost its goodness? Regards, sanjeev , " Martine " <arteminfr wrote: > > Namaskar, > > Dear Sanjeev Sharma ji, I do not think this works, because the Sun, > the Moon and the Nodes are never involved in Planetary war. > > Regards > Martine > > > -- In , " pashu_sanju " > <pashu_sanju@> wrote: > > > > Namaskar, > > extending discussions of palnetary war. Lets take a situation, where > > Budh-Adiya yoga is formed. Lets say Me is ahead in Longitudes, thus > > defeating sun in planetary war. Su loses its capability to do good (as > > was mentioned). But Su combusts Me, thus rendering it incapable of > > giving good results. by above, it means both planets have lost their > > potency to do good. So logically, Budh-Aditya yoga is rendered > > useless. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2008 Report Share Posted March 23, 2008 Hare rama krishna dear sanjeev ji I think to answer ur query the best exmple is Adolf hitlers chart . he born in 20th april 1889 at 7.45 PM ( may be ) at braunau Austria . Now we can see that planet venus and mars is almost within one degree and sun and merc also in the same sign which happens to b aries the 7th sign from his libra lagna . venus is almost 24 degree 24 minits with higher longitude and mars 24 degree 04 minits with lower longitude . So according to the discussion we r having now venus since with higher longitude will be looser . Now let us see his moon is in sagitarius 14 degree 20 or so minits ,so poorv ashada nakshatra Lorded by venus itself and he got almost 18 yrs 6 (aprrox ) months venus dasa means till he attained a sort of adulthood . And he suffered in this period ,life in chaos ,he was a illigitimate child as church dont approv the marriage of his father and mother and when he grow up he wanted to b a painter and he was rejected every where and never he can be a success in painting . Then he joined army and then politics and rest is history we know . if u see from venus dasa ,after venus then the period is sun ( 6 yrs ) and moon 10 Yrs and then period of mars was very remarkable for him and what decided his whole mission we can say which was roughly from 1923 to 1930 . Then in rahu he continued his success and war and till he go over board by making wrong decisions .which rahu represents . And if u see his married life he tried to get married with 3 woman atleat and all has cancelled last minit one or other reason and he married His secretary in last day of his life b4 he commit suicide together with her . so we can find what ever venus represents is and was spoiled in his life .Except the royal life ,he may be lead as premier of a nation . he died rahu -sun period ( just after venus subpeirod ) Let us see even if classics or modern gurus or school of thoughts what ever principles and theoreys they may put forward ,let us see how its working in practical life on a series of charts and then if dont find enough proof of it we hav to reject it . so we can discuss for reserch purposes ,the looserplanets dasa which already happened and then how it affected the general character and strenght of the chart . So let us go for practical case with finished dasas which may tally with the context of discussion .As we can get feed back . some charts we may not get both the dasa -i mean of winner and looser in ones life time . hope i answered ur query regrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah . , "pashu_sanju" <pashu_sanju wrote:>> Namskar,> Lets discuss planetary war bit more. lets take a situation where > saturn and ve are in yuti. Ve has higher in lat. and hence loses > plnetary war. but Ve is yogakaraka. Couple of questions arises:> 1. Since Ve is Yogakarka, will it lose its goodness due to above > mentioned losing?> 2. Dasas are very long, which invariably has good periods > intermingled with bad periods and average periods. How far war loser > will be affected? can we quantify badness that creeps in due to above > loss? can we say certain bad pweriods are due to losing of planets in > war.> 3. If Sa-Ve forms rajyoga, will it fructify, if one of planet has > lost its goodness?> > Regards,> sanjeev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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