Discussion of the rare case chart ?...Sreenadhji: Mithuna or Karkka

[Guest guest]

Dear Sreenadhji,

 

It will be interesting to contrast the given information with Mithuna

and Karkka Lagna. Mother's death at the age of 8 and the Moon+Rahu

conjunction and beginning of Rahu dasa, combination for being only male

issue and many sisters (3rd house in Mrtyubhaga Jhora, Budha aspecting

3rd and Karaka joining Venus, From the Moon, 3rd lord afflicted by

Rahu), Drowning of father at the age of 18 in Rahu_Ketu bhukti (nodes

along Sani-9th lord while sun is in 8th) etc.

 

chandra hari

 

 

, " nameisego "

<nameisego wrote:

>

>

>

>

> Dear sreenadhji,

>

> If you are following Chandrahari Ayanamsha, it is your prerogative

> and for you it might be working well.

>

> I can inform you that the father of this person was drowned in sea on

> a Poornima day.

>

> One more info can be used in this case is, that this jathaka's mother

> died when he was about 8 years old. He had totally six sisters.Since

> his father had remarried and had three more daughters from second

> wife were born. He was the only male issue from both the marriages.

> I hope this will help.

>

> Speaking about " Absurd " pregnancy, what I have written is a fact. I

> cannot add anything more .

> Whether the foetus lived or was calcified into a cyst etc , was never

> established. It is also possible that it might have been a fresher

> conception.

> But the wife never had any miscarriag after the first conception.

>

> I would have loved to get the chart of the child they had but sorry,

> I cannot get it at this time. When I get back to India, I may be in a

> position to get the same if people have kept the records.

>

> Tatvam-Asi

>

> , " Sreenadh "

> sreesog@ wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear Tatvam-Asi ji,

> > I was neither attending this thread, nor moderating. Just due

> to

> > this message I got interested in the thread and checked the chart

> you

> > mentioned.

> >

> > > DOB:.......Fabruary 1st. 1928

> > > TOB :......17.03 PM

> > > POB:.......Hubli (Dharwad)India

> >

> > As True Ayanamsa of Chandra hari and 360 day Savana year -

> > * It is Gemini Lagna 29 deg 35 min.

> > * At the age of 18 (i.e 1946) the dasa running was that of Ra

> (placed

> > in 12th from Lagna) and the antara of Ketu (placed in 6th along

> with 8th

> > and 9th lord Saturn).

> > It is evident that it is the 8th lord Saturn placed along with

> Ketu in

> > 6th which killed his father. Note that Sun is in 8th house as well.

> I

> > feel that the death might have occured in 1946 Feb or March - owing

> to

> > the fact that Sun's Paryantar dasa is in that period. But you

> haven't

> > provided the date of death of his father.

> > ==>

> > ........... killed his father

> > > in a drowning incident when he was about 18 or so.(TBOMK)

> > <==

> > Is it that he got killed " drowed in a well " ? Note that both

> scorpio

> > can signify a well, and capricon a damaged water pond. If so -

> which is

> > the planet that killed the native's father? Is it guru or saturn or

> ketu

> > or Rahu?

> > I would appreciate more inputs from you - let us discuss this

> chart.

> > ==>

> > > His wife had first pregnency celebration soon after marriage in

> 1951

> > > but she never delivered a child and it is said that she carried

> the

> > > foetus foe over 20 years and delivered a mentally retarded boy

> > > sometime in 1971 or so.(

> > <==

> > That is ABSURD and NOT scientifically valid - sorry.

> > ==>

> > > The man's wife was very obese and lived life of a recluse.

> > > She could barly look after herself. She was mostly confined to bed

> > > and she delivered the son in such a condition. They did not have a

> > > normal married life.

> > <==

> > Simply notice the 6th lord (disease) Mars (malefic) in 7th

> (wife)

> > along with the significator of wife Venus. Veus owns 12th house

> > (hospital/bed ridden) and is the depositor of Rahu and with Rahu

> dasa

> > running for long - that is a prediction a learned astrologer may

> > possibly make.

> > Love and regards,

> > Sreenadh

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Chandra hari ji,

Yes - I agree. As a starting point for the same, I would request

Neelam ji to present " results as per astro-classics " for the

combinations present in the said chart with Gemini lagna such as -

* Sun in 8th

* Ra in 6th

* 9th and 8th lord in 6th

* 6th lord Mars in 7th etc.

I too would provide my inputs and analysis trying to reveal more untold

details through the chart itself - which Tatvam Asi ji can confirm or

negate later.

Others can try to do the same with Cancer lagna and let us see what

the outputs are - and which fits in well.

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

 

, " chandra_hari18 "

<chandra_hari18 wrote:

>

> Dear Sreenadhji,

>

> It will be interesting to contrast the given information with Mithuna

> and Karkka Lagna. Mother's death at the age of 8 and the Moon+Rahu

> conjunction and beginning of Rahu dasa, combination for being only

male

> issue and many sisters (3rd house in Mrtyubhaga Jhora, Budha aspecting

> 3rd and Karaka joining Venus, From the Moon, 3rd lord afflicted by

> Rahu), Drowning of father at the age of 18 in Rahu_Ketu bhukti (nodes

> along Sani-9th lord while sun is in 8th) etc.

>

> chandra hari

>

>

> , " nameisego "

> nameisego@ wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear sreenadhji,

> >

> > If you are following Chandrahari Ayanamsha, it is your prerogative

> > and for you it might be working well.

> >

> > I can inform you that the father of this person was drowned in sea

on

> > a Poornima day.

> >

> > One more info can be used in this case is, that this jathaka's

mother

> > died when he was about 8 years old. He had totally six sisters.Since

> > his father had remarried and had three more daughters from second

> > wife were born. He was the only male issue from both the marriages.

> > I hope this will help.

> >

> > Speaking about " Absurd " pregnancy, what I have written is a fact. I

> > cannot add anything more .

> > Whether the foetus lived or was calcified into a cyst etc , was

never

> > established. It is also possible that it might have been a fresher

> > conception.

> > But the wife never had any miscarriag after the first conception.

> >

> > I would have loved to get the chart of the child they had but sorry,

> > I cannot get it at this time. When I get back to India, I may be in

a

> > position to get the same if people have kept the records.

> >

> > Tatvam-Asi

> >

> > , " Sreenadh "

> > sreesog@ wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Tatvam-Asi ji,

> > > I was neither attending this thread, nor moderating. Just due

> > to

> > > this message I got interested in the thread and checked the chart

> > you

> > > mentioned.

> > >

> > > > DOB:.......Fabruary 1st. 1928

> > > > TOB :......17.03 PM

> > > > POB:.......Hubli (Dharwad)India

> > >

> > > As True Ayanamsa of Chandra hari and 360 day Savana year -

> > > * It is Gemini Lagna 29 deg 35 min.

> > > * At the age of 18 (i.e 1946) the dasa running was that of Ra

> > (placed

> > > in 12th from Lagna) and the antara of Ketu (placed in 6th along

> > with 8th

> > > and 9th lord Saturn).

> > > It is evident that it is the 8th lord Saturn placed along with

> > Ketu in

> > > 6th which killed his father. Note that Sun is in 8th house as

well.

> > I

> > > feel that the death might have occured in 1946 Feb or March -

owing

> > to

> > > the fact that Sun's Paryantar dasa is in that period. But you

> > haven't

> > > provided the date of death of his father.

> > > ==>

> > > ........... killed his father

> > > > in a drowning incident when he was about 18 or so.(TBOMK)

> > > <==

> > > Is it that he got killed " drowed in a well " ? Note that both

> > scorpio

> > > can signify a well, and capricon a damaged water pond. If so -

> > which is

> > > the planet that killed the native's father? Is it guru or saturn

or

> > ketu

> > > or Rahu?

> > > I would appreciate more inputs from you - let us discuss this

> > chart.

> > > ==>

> > > > His wife had first pregnency celebration soon after marriage in

> > 1951

> > > > but she never delivered a child and it is said that she carried

> > the

> > > > foetus foe over 20 years and delivered a mentally retarded boy

> > > > sometime in 1971 or so.(

> > > <==

> > > That is ABSURD and NOT scientifically valid - sorry.

> > > ==>

> > > > The man's wife was very obese and lived life of a recluse.

> > > > She could barly look after herself. She was mostly confined to

bed

> > > > and she delivered the son in such a condition. They did not have

a

> > > > normal married life.

> > > <==

> > > Simply notice the 6th lord (disease) Mars (malefic) in 7th

> > (wife)

> > > along with the significator of wife Venus. Veus owns 12th house

> > > (hospital/bed ridden) and is the depositor of Rahu and with Rahu

> > dasa

> > > running for long - that is a prediction a learned astrologer may

> > > possibly make.

> > > Love and regards,

> > > Sreenadh

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Sreenadh ji,I had not been keeping a tab on this chart. Having made the chart now, though I'm getting kark lagna (using PL 7.0), but I also feel that gemini is the more likely lagna given the circumstances of the native.

While I work on other details, I am giving some details for the event of death of this native's father.Taking gemini lagna, death of his father is seems quite possible in Ra-ke-sat. Role of saturn is always ambiguous for gemini natives and demands a careful scrutiny. It gets the lordship of two very critical houses for self -- the highest trikon --- father, prarabdh, fortune, etc. and also the end of these very things.

Ketu in close conjunction with saturn in 6H of karma of father as well as end of his karma (as 12L in 10th house)Saturn being 8L and 9L (both father and his end)

Sat also aspects 8H and sun (12H of father and 8H of self)Sun, the karak of father is also his marak, 7L from 9H posited in 12th from 9th

8L from 9th mer is in 9th of fatherin the navamsh, sun is in lagna while sat and ketu in 9H. (in dasha the planets give the result of navamsh placements)

in dwadashamsh, sun,sat and ketu, all afflicting sukh sthan of parents.now if we see the transit in may-june 1946, it becomes very clear. saturn, the 8L and 9L in close conjnction in gemini, rahu/ketu close over natal axis, sun in 12H, LL mer in 12H and 12L venus in lagna.

I think the position is quite clear. Sreenadh ji, you've very rightly pointed out...Is it that he got killed " drowed in a well " ? Note that both scorpio can signify a well, and capricon a damaged water pond. If so - which is the planet that killed the native's father? Is it guru or saturn or ketu or Rahu?

All three signs, scorpio, capricorn and aquarius represent different types of water bodies. Where as scorpio is a confined body like a well or hole or hiding, aquarius is a pond and calm surface capricorn is also riverside, river water (more of flowing water types).

The native could be more in for a scorpionic-end as saturn is in scorpio and 3rd from 9H is martian aspected by mars from scorpio.I would like to support this with a similar case where the native's father died strangely by falling into a domestic water tank on the roof top.

native male: 4.12.1958/14.48/delhi...This is an aries lagna, father's death took place in Ju-Ju-Ju... sun in 8H in scorpio with venus who is dispositor of Jupiter, both jupiter and 8H aspected by a retro mars from lagna. Navamsh positions support the event....

8H surely denotes end of father when the appropriate time comes.

Regardsneelam

On 11/03/2008, Sreenadh <sreesog wrote:

 

 

 

 

Dear Chandra hari ji,

Yes - I agree. As a starting point for the same, I would request

Neelam ji to present " results as per astro-classics " for the

combinations present in the said chart with Gemini lagna such as -

* Sun in 8th

* Ra in 6th

* 9th and 8th lord in 6th

* 6th lord Mars in 7th etc.

I too would provide my inputs and analysis trying to reveal more untold

details through the chart itself - which Tatvam Asi ji can confirm or

negate later.

Others can try to do the same with Cancer lagna and let us see what

the outputs are - and which fits in well.

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

 

, " chandra_hari18 "

<chandra_hari18 wrote:

>

> Dear Sreenadhji,

>

> It will be interesting to contrast the given information with Mithuna

> and Karkka Lagna. Mother's death at the age of 8 and the Moon+Rahu

> conjunction and beginning of Rahu dasa, combination for being only

male

> issue and many sisters (3rd house in Mrtyubhaga Jhora, Budha aspecting

> 3rd and Karaka joining Venus, From the Moon, 3rd lord afflicted by

> Rahu), Drowning of father at the age of 18 in Rahu_Ketu bhukti (nodes

> along Sani-9th lord while sun is in 8th) etc.

>

> chandra hari

>

>

> , " nameisego "

> nameisego@ wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear sreenadhji,

> >

> > If you are following Chandrahari Ayanamsha, it is your prerogative

> > and for you it might be working well.

> >

> > I can inform you that the father of this person was drowned in sea

on

> > a Poornima day.

> >

> > One more info can be used in this case is, that this jathaka's

mother

> > died when he was about 8 years old. He had totally six sisters.Since

> > his father had remarried and had three more daughters from second

> > wife were born. He was the only male issue from both the marriages.

> > I hope this will help.

> >

> > Speaking about " Absurd " pregnancy, what I have written is a fact. I

> > cannot add anything more .

> > Whether the foetus lived or was calcified into a cyst etc , was

never

> > established. It is also possible that it might have been a fresher

> > conception.

> > But the wife never had any miscarriag after the first conception.

> >

> > I would have loved to get the chart of the child they had but sorry,

> > I cannot get it at this time. When I get back to India, I may be in

a

> > position to get the same if people have kept the records.

> >

> > Tatvam-Asi

> >

> > , " Sreenadh "

> > sreesog@ wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Tatvam-Asi ji,

> > > I was neither attending this thread, nor moderating. Just due

> > to

> > > this message I got interested in the thread and checked the chart

> > you

> > > mentioned.

> > >

> > > > DOB:.......Fabruary 1st. 1928

> > > > TOB :......17.03 PM

> > > > POB:.......Hubli (Dharwad)India

> > >

> > > As True Ayanamsa of Chandra hari and 360 day Savana year -

> > > * It is Gemini Lagna 29 deg 35 min.

> > > * At the age of 18 (i.e 1946) the dasa running was that of Ra

> > (placed

> > > in 12th from Lagna) and the antara of Ketu (placed in 6th along

> > with 8th

> > > and 9th lord Saturn).

> > > It is evident that it is the 8th lord Saturn placed along with

> > Ketu in

> > > 6th which killed his father. Note that Sun is in 8th house as

well.

> > I

> > > feel that the death might have occured in 1946 Feb or March -

owing

> > to

> > > the fact that Sun's Paryantar dasa is in that period. But you

> > haven't

> > > provided the date of death of his father.

> > > ==>

> > > ........... killed his father

> > > > in a drowning incident when he was about 18 or so.(TBOMK)

> > > <==

> > > Is it that he got killed " drowed in a well " ? Note that both

> > scorpio

> > > can signify a well, and capricon a damaged water pond. If so -

> > which is

> > > the planet that killed the native's father? Is it guru or saturn

or

> > ketu

> > > or Rahu?

> > > I would appreciate more inputs from you - let us discuss this

> > chart.

> > > ==>

> > > > His wife had first pregnency celebration soon after marriage in

> > 1951

> > > > but she never delivered a child and it is said that she carried

> > the

> > > > foetus foe over 20 years and delivered a mentally retarded boy

> > > > sometime in 1971 or so.(

> > > <==

> > > That is ABSURD and NOT scientifically valid - sorry.

> > > ==>

> > > > The man's wife was very obese and lived life of a recluse.

> > > > She could barly look after herself. She was mostly confined to

bed

> > > > and she delivered the son in such a condition. They did not have

a

> > > > normal married life.

> > > <==

> > > Simply notice the 6th lord (disease) Mars (malefic) in 7th

> > (wife)

> > > along with the significator of wife Venus. Veus owns 12th house

> > > (hospital/bed ridden) and is the depositor of Rahu and with Rahu

> > dasa

> > > running for long - that is a prediction a learned astrologer may

> > > possibly make.

> > > Love and regards,

> > > Sreenadh

> >

>

[Guest guest]

7th house from Moon is an indicator of father's destiny as Moon is

Mother. Here 7th lord from Moon is in 8th with 6th lord and nodes

afflict moon-saturn placement. Mars going to 8th and scorpio with Saturn

can be the planetary indicator of drowning of father. Some Drekkana

discussion can make the astro description of the event more colourful.

 

chandra hari

 

 

, " neelam gupta "

<neelamgupta07 wrote:

>

> Dear Sreenadh ji,

>

> I had not been keeping a tab on this chart. Having made the chart now,

> though I'm getting kark lagna (using PL 7.0), but I also feel that

gemini is

> the more likely lagna given the circumstances of the native.

>

> While I work on other details, I am giving some details for the event

of

> death of this native's father.

> Taking gemini lagna, death of his father is seems quite possible in

> Ra-ke-sat. Role of saturn is always ambiguous for gemini natives and

demands

> a careful scrutiny. It gets the lordship of two very critical houses

for

> self -- the highest trikon --- father, prarabdh, fortune, etc. and

also the

> end of these very things.

>

> - Ketu in close conjunction with saturn in 6H of karma of father as

> well as end of his karma (as 12L in 10th house)

> - Saturn being 8L and 9L (both father and his end)

> - Sat also aspects 8H and sun (12H of father and 8H of self)

> - Sun, the karak of father is also his marak, 7L from 9H posited in

> 12th from 9th

> - 8L from 9th mer is in 9th of father

> - in the navamsh, sun is in lagna while sat and ketu in 9H. (in dasha

> the planets give the result of navamsh placements)

> - in dwadashamsh, sun,sat and ketu, all afflicting sukh sthan of

> parents.

> - now if we see the transit in may-june 1946, it becomes very clear.

> saturn, the 8L and 9L in close conjnction in gemini, rahu/ketu close

over

> natal axis, sun in 12H, LL mer in 12H and 12L venus in lagna.

>

> I think the position is quite clear.

>

> Sreenadh ji, you've very rightly pointed out...

> Is it that he got killed " drowed in a well " ? Note that both scorpio

can

> signify a well, and capricon a damaged water pond. If so - which is

the

> planet that killed the native's father? Is it guru or saturn or ketu

or

> Rahu?

> All three signs, scorpio, capricorn and aquarius represent different

types

> of water bodies. Where as scorpio is a confined body like a well or

hole or

> hiding, aquarius is a pond and calm surface capricorn is also

riverside,

> river water (more of flowing water types).

> The native could be more in for a scorpionic-end as saturn is in

scorpio and

> 3rd from 9H is martian aspected by mars from scorpio.

>

> I would like to support this with a similar case where the native's

father

> died strangely by falling into a domestic water tank on the roof top.

> native male: 4.12.1958/14.48/delhi...

> This is an aries lagna, father's death took place in Ju-Ju-Ju... sun

in 8H

> in scorpio with venus who is dispositor of Jupiter, both jupiter and

8H

> aspected by a retro mars from lagna. Navamsh positions support the

event....

> 8H surely denotes end of father when the appropriate time comes.

>

> Regards

> neelam

>

>

>

>

>

> On 11/03/2008, Sreenadh sreesog wrote:

> >

> > Dear Chandra hari ji,

> > Yes - I agree. As a starting point for the same, I would request

> > Neelam ji to present " results as per astro-classics " for the

> > combinations present in the said chart with Gemini lagna such as -

> > * Sun in 8th

> > * Ra in 6th

> > * 9th and 8th lord in 6th

> > * 6th lord Mars in 7th etc.

> > I too would provide my inputs and analysis trying to reveal more

untold

> > details through the chart itself - which Tatvam Asi ji can confirm

or

> > negate later.

> > Others can try to do the same with Cancer lagna and let us see what

> > the outputs are - and which fits in well.

> > Love and regards,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > --- In

<%40yaho\

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> > " chandra_hari18 "

> >

> > chandra_hari18@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sreenadhji,

> > >

> > > It will be interesting to contrast the given information with

Mithuna

> > > and Karkka Lagna. Mother's death at the age of 8 and the Moon+Rahu

> > > conjunction and beginning of Rahu dasa, combination for being only

> > male

> > > issue and many sisters (3rd house in Mrtyubhaga Jhora, Budha

aspecting

> > > 3rd and Karaka joining Venus, From the Moon, 3rd lord afflicted by

> > > Rahu), Drowning of father at the age of 18 in Rahu_Ketu bhukti

(nodes

> > > along Sani-9th lord while sun is in 8th) etc.

> > >

> > > chandra hari

> > >

> > >

> > > --- In

<%40yaho\

ogroups.com>,

> > " nameisego "

> > > nameisego@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear sreenadhji,

> > > >

> > > > If you are following Chandrahari Ayanamsha, it is your

prerogative

> > > > and for you it might be working well.

> > > >

> > > > I can inform you that the father of this person was drowned in

sea

> > on

> > > > a Poornima day.

> > > >

> > > > One more info can be used in this case is, that this jathaka's

> > mother

> > > > died when he was about 8 years old. He had totally six

sisters.Since

> > > > his father had remarried and had three more daughters from

second

> > > > wife were born. He was the only male issue from both the

marriages.

> > > > I hope this will help.

> > > >

> > > > Speaking about " Absurd " pregnancy, what I have written is a

fact. I

> > > > cannot add anything more .

> > > > Whether the foetus lived or was calcified into a cyst etc , was

> > never

> > > > established. It is also possible that it might have been a

fresher

> > > > conception.

> > > > But the wife never had any miscarriag after the first

conception.

> > > >

> > > > I would have loved to get the chart of the child they had but

sorry,

> > > > I cannot get it at this time. When I get back to India, I may be

in

> > a

> > > > position to get the same if people have kept the records.

> > > >

> > > > Tatvam-Asi

> > > >

> > > > --- In

<%40yaho\

ogroups.com>,

> > " Sreenadh "

> > > > sreesog@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Tatvam-Asi ji,

> > > > > I was neither attending this thread, nor moderating. Just due

> > > > to

> > > > > this message I got interested in the thread and checked the

chart

> > > > you

> > > > > mentioned.

> > > > >

> > > > > > DOB:.......Fabruary 1st. 1928

> > > > > > TOB :......17.03 PM

> > > > > > POB:.......Hubli (Dharwad)India

> > > > >

> > > > > As True Ayanamsa of Chandra hari and 360 day Savana year -

> > > > > * It is Gemini Lagna 29 deg 35 min.

> > > > > * At the age of 18 (i.e 1946) the dasa running was that of Ra

> > > > (placed

> > > > > in 12th from Lagna) and the antara of Ketu (placed in 6th

along

> > > > with 8th

> > > > > and 9th lord Saturn).

> > > > > It is evident that it is the 8th lord Saturn placed along with

> > > > Ketu in

> > > > > 6th which killed his father. Note that Sun is in 8th house as

> > well.

> > > > I

> > > > > feel that the death might have occured in 1946 Feb or March -

> > owing

> > > > to

> > > > > the fact that Sun's Paryantar dasa is in that period. But you

> > > > haven't

> > > > > provided the date of death of his father.

> > > > > ==>

> > > > > ........... killed his father

> > > > > > in a drowning incident when he was about 18 or so.(TBOMK)

> > > > > <==

> > > > > Is it that he got killed " drowed in a well " ? Note that both

> > > > scorpio

> > > > > can signify a well, and capricon a damaged water pond. If so -

> > > > which is

> > > > > the planet that killed the native's father? Is it guru or

saturn

> > or

> > > > ketu

> > > > > or Rahu?

> > > > > I would appreciate more inputs from you - let us discuss this

> > > > chart.

> > > > > ==>

> > > > > > His wife had first pregnency celebration soon after marriage

in

> > > > 1951

> > > > > > but she never delivered a child and it is said that she

carried

> > > > the

> > > > > > foetus foe over 20 years and delivered a mentally retarded

boy

> > > > > > sometime in 1971 or so.(

> > > > > <==

> > > > > That is ABSURD and NOT scientifically valid - sorry.

> > > > > ==>

> > > > > > The man's wife was very obese and lived life of a recluse.

> > > > > > She could barly look after herself. She was mostly confined

to

> > bed

> > > > > > and she delivered the son in such a condition. They did not

have

> > a

> > > > > > normal married life.

> > > > > <==

> > > > > Simply notice the 6th lord (disease) Mars (malefic) in 7th

> > > > (wife)

> > > > > along with the significator of wife Venus. Veus owns 12th

house

> > > > > (hospital/bed ridden) and is the depositor of Rahu and with

Rahu

> > > > dasa

> > > > > running for long - that is a prediction a learned astrologer

may

> > > > > possibly make.

> > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > Sreenadh

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

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Dear Sreenadh ji, Chandrahari ji,

7th house from Moon is an indicator of father's destiny as Moon is Mother.... Moon itself is badly afflicted and could not sustain the mother who passed away even before father...

I have tried to workout the

details of mother's death in the rare case native's life using Gemini lagna...this could've happened

in rahu-rahu sometimes in the end of May 1936.

Rahu has the

propensity to kill native's mother in his dasha and antars.

The reasons being:

From Moon (karak)

Rahu afflicts moon

with degree conjunction in 12th house of the native, thus separating moon from native (2 separative factors).It is aspected by 8L Saturn

from 6H again close upto degrees. (a third separative factor) The ascendant is also at

close degrees to rahu-moon-sat combination.From moon, rashi lord

venus is in 8H with 7th and 12L mars. Venus is also 6L which is its

MT sign.

From lagna (Bhav) 4H

is aspected by rahu from 12HMercury (bhavesh) is

in 6H from 4th and has gone to mars' navamsha

In navamsh rahu is in

2H from moon aspected by 7/8 lord Saturn from 8H from moon.

In chaturthamsh rahu

and moon in 12th house aspected by 12L Saturn (for dasha results related to 4H one can see D-4 also)

In dwadashamsh, 12H

and moon sign rises and lord venus in 12H. Moon rahu again together in 4-10

axis.

The transit:

End of May, moon sign Taurus and lord venus in Taurus conjunct with marak lords

mercury (2L) and mars (7L & 12L), aspected by 8L/11L Jupiter from 7H and R/K

in 2/8 with rahu in 8H denoting end of life. Saturn in transit on the degrees

of natal lagna and natal Saturn aspects 12H and 7H and 4H from moon.Needless to say what was meant to be with all these afflictions...regards

neelam

On 11/03/2008, chandra_hari18 <chandra_hari18 wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

7th house from Moon is an indicator of father's destiny as Moon is

Mother. Here 7th lord from Moon is in 8th with 6th lord and nodes

afflict moon-saturn placement. Mars going to 8th and scorpio with Saturn

can be the planetary indicator of drowning of father. Some Drekkana

discussion can make the astro description of the event more colourful.

 

chandra hari

 

, " neelam gupta "

<neelamgupta07 wrote:

>

> Dear Sreenadh ji,

>

> I had not been keeping a tab on this chart. Having made the chart now,

> though I'm getting kark lagna (using PL 7.0), but I also feel that

gemini is

> the more likely lagna given the circumstances of the native.

>

> While I work on other details, I am giving some details for the event

of

> death of this native's father.

> Taking gemini lagna, death of his father is seems quite possible in

> Ra-ke-sat. Role of saturn is always ambiguous for gemini natives and

demands

> a careful scrutiny. It gets the lordship of two very critical houses

for

> self -- the highest trikon --- father, prarabdh, fortune, etc. and

also the

> end of these very things.

>

> - Ketu in close conjunction with saturn in 6H of karma of father as

> well as end of his karma (as 12L in 10th house)

> - Saturn being 8L and 9L (both father and his end)

> - Sat also aspects 8H and sun (12H of father and 8H of self)

> - Sun, the karak of father is also his marak, 7L from 9H posited in

> 12th from 9th

> - 8L from 9th mer is in 9th of father

> - in the navamsh, sun is in lagna while sat and ketu in 9H. (in dasha

> the planets give the result of navamsh placements)

> - in dwadashamsh, sun,sat and ketu, all afflicting sukh sthan of

> parents.

> - now if we see the transit in may-june 1946, it becomes very clear.

> saturn, the 8L and 9L in close conjnction in gemini, rahu/ketu close

over

> natal axis, sun in 12H, LL mer in 12H and 12L venus in lagna.

>

> I think the position is quite clear.

>

> Sreenadh ji, you've very rightly pointed out...

> Is it that he got killed " drowed in a well " ? Note that both scorpio

can

> signify a well, and capricon a damaged water pond. If so - which is

the

> planet that killed the native's father? Is it guru or saturn or ketu

or

> Rahu?

> All three signs, scorpio, capricorn and aquarius represent different

types

> of water bodies. Where as scorpio is a confined body like a well or

hole or

> hiding, aquarius is a pond and calm surface capricorn is also

riverside,

> river water (more of flowing water types).

> The native could be more in for a scorpionic-end as saturn is in

scorpio and

> 3rd from 9H is martian aspected by mars from scorpio.

>

> I would like to support this with a similar case where the native's

father

> died strangely by falling into a domestic water tank on the roof top.

> native male: 4.12.1958/14.48/delhi...

> This is an aries lagna, father's death took place in Ju-Ju-Ju... sun

in 8H

> in scorpio with venus who is dispositor of Jupiter, both jupiter and

8H

> aspected by a retro mars from lagna. Navamsh positions support the

event....

> 8H surely denotes end of father when the appropriate time comes.

>

> Regards

> neelam

>

>

>

>

>

> On 11/03/2008, Sreenadh sreesog wrote:

> >

> > Dear Chandra hari ji,

> > Yes - I agree. As a starting point for the same, I would request

> > Neelam ji to present " results as per astro-classics " for the

> > combinations present in the said chart with Gemini lagna such as -

> > * Sun in 8th

> > * Ra in 6th

> > * 9th and 8th lord in 6th

> > * 6th lord Mars in 7th etc.

> > I too would provide my inputs and analysis trying to reveal more

untold

> > details through the chart itself - which Tatvam Asi ji can confirm

or

> > negate later.

> > Others can try to do the same with Cancer lagna and let us see what

> > the outputs are - and which fits in well.

> > Love and regards,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > --- In

<%40yaho\

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> > " chandra_hari18 "

> >

> > chandra_hari18@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sreenadhji,

> > >

> > > It will be interesting to contrast the given information with

Mithuna

> > > and Karkka Lagna. Mother's death at the age of 8 and the Moon+Rahu

> > > conjunction and beginning of Rahu dasa, combination for being only

> > male

> > > issue and many sisters (3rd house in Mrtyubhaga Jhora, Budha

aspecting

> > > 3rd and Karaka joining Venus, From the Moon, 3rd lord afflicted by

> > > Rahu), Drowning of father at the age of 18 in Rahu_Ketu bhukti

(nodes

> > > along Sani-9th lord while sun is in 8th) etc.

> > >

> > > chandra hari

> > >

> > >

> > > --- In

<%40yaho\

 

ogroups.com>,

> > " nameisego "

> > > nameisego@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear sreenadhji,

> > > >

> > > > If you are following Chandrahari Ayanamsha, it is your

prerogative

> > > > and for you it might be working well.

> > > >

> > > > I can inform you that the father of this person was drowned in

sea

> > on

> > > > a Poornima day.

> > > >

> > > > One more info can be used in this case is, that this jathaka's

> > mother

> > > > died when he was about 8 years old. He had totally six

sisters.Since

> > > > his father had remarried and had three more daughters from

second

> > > > wife were born. He was the only male issue from both the

marriages.

> > > > I hope this will help.

> > > >

> > > > Speaking about " Absurd " pregnancy, what I have written is a

fact. I

> > > > cannot add anything more .

> > > > Whether the foetus lived or was calcified into a cyst etc , was

> > never

> > > > established. It is also possible that it might have been a

fresher

> > > > conception.

> > > > But the wife never had any miscarriag after the first

conception.

> > > >

> > > > I would have loved to get the chart of the child they had but

sorry,

> > > > I cannot get it at this time. When I get back to India, I may be

in

> > a

> > > > position to get the same if people have kept the records.

> > > >

> > > > Tatvam-Asi

> > > >

> > > > --- In

<%40yaho\

 

ogroups.com>,

> > " Sreenadh "

> > > > sreesog@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Tatvam-Asi ji,

> > > > > I was neither attending this thread, nor moderating. Just due

> > > > to

> > > > > this message I got interested in the thread and checked the

chart

> > > > you

> > > > > mentioned.

> > > > >

> > > > > > DOB:.......Fabruary 1st. 1928

> > > > > > TOB :......17.03 PM

> > > > > > POB:.......Hubli (Dharwad)India

> > > > >

> > > > > As True Ayanamsa of Chandra hari and 360 day Savana year -

> > > > > * It is Gemini Lagna 29 deg 35 min.

> > > > > * At the age of 18 (i.e 1946) the dasa running was that of Ra

> > > > (placed

> > > > > in 12th from Lagna) and the antara of Ketu (placed in 6th

along

> > > > with 8th

> > > > > and 9th lord Saturn).

> > > > > It is evident that it is the 8th lord Saturn placed along with

> > > > Ketu in

> > > > > 6th which killed his father. Note that Sun is in 8th house as

> > well.

> > > > I

> > > > > feel that the death might have occured in 1946 Feb or March -

> > owing

> > > > to

> > > > > the fact that Sun's Paryantar dasa is in that period. But you

> > > > haven't

> > > > > provided the date of death of his father.

> > > > > ==>

> > > > > ........... killed his father

> > > > > > in a drowning incident when he was about 18 or so.(TBOMK)

> > > > > <==

> > > > > Is it that he got killed " drowed in a well " ? Note that both

> > > > scorpio

> > > > > can signify a well, and capricon a damaged water pond. If so -

> > > > which is

> > > > > the planet that killed the native's father? Is it guru or

saturn

> > or

> > > > ketu

> > > > > or Rahu?

> > > > > I would appreciate more inputs from you - let us discuss this

> > > > chart.

> > > > > ==>

> > > > > > His wife had first pregnency celebration soon after marriage

in

> > > > 1951

> > > > > > but she never delivered a child and it is said that she

carried

> > > > the

> > > > > > foetus foe over 20 years and delivered a mentally retarded

boy

> > > > > > sometime in 1971 or so.(

> > > > > <==

> > > > > That is ABSURD and NOT scientifically valid - sorry.

> > > > > ==>

> > > > > > The man's wife was very obese and lived life of a recluse.

> > > > > > She could barly look after herself. She was mostly confined

to

> > bed

> > > > > > and she delivered the son in such a condition. They did not

have

> > a

> > > > > > normal married life.

> > > > > <==

> > > > > Simply notice the 6th lord (disease) Mars (malefic) in 7th

> > > > (wife)

> > > > > along with the significator of wife Venus. Veus owns 12th

house

> > > > > (hospital/bed ridden) and is the depositor of Rahu and with

Rahu

> > > > dasa

> > > > > running for long - that is a prediction a learned astrologer

may

> > > > > possibly make.

> > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > Sreenadh

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>