5H_Saturn....Rare case...Mr. Nair

March 9, 2008

Dear Mr.Nair,

I am deeply shocked to read your post.You have addressed it to

Krishnaji and wrote everything to me on one to one basis.

I had posted this chart in response to 5th house saturn, posting with

a little story of the person himself and his life.

Where did I go wrong in doing this.

You wrote something like " Stupid Theory " .

I think this is very unbecoming of you to write such language.

If you do not like to reply to my general posting, please refrain

from reading my posts.

No need to get worked up.Just think that I do not exist.

I hope I have made myself clear.

By the way, this is second time you have been very un gentlemanly

about my posting.

Chill out sir.

Tatvam-Asi

, " sunil nair "

<astro_tellerkerala wrote:

>

> Hare rama krishna

>

> dear krishna .

>

> i was avoiding this chart as usual he was not eger to present any

> clear cut timings and correctness .To the best of my knowledge wont

> contribute anything ,as u know even the twins s cases the destiny

> changes very far

>

> I think that chart is case of gemini lagna and not cancer .

>

> also every time i was expecting him to discuss his pet theoreys --

rahu

> centric or what ever it is ,he is clinging to some stupid out of

classic

> theoreys .I dont know how a lord if its in his house destroys and

that

> also fast the results .That also bhagyesh .

>

> so i am answering to u only and name is ego ji i hav no problem

with u .

>

> so long as u r not ready to discuss ur points and proov it ,i am not

> interested to argue with u ,as my only interest is astrology in

this grp

> ,no name calling or self promotions ,u know i am also memebr of 100

> grps .so i hardly write any grps now as i am fed up with

queries .And

> replying it ,now u may come out with with we should be open and

things

> like that .I am open ,so was requesting u to proove ur theoreys than

> twisting ur statements .sorry i hav to react atleast now .B4 u said

in

> one chart jup was protectiv and now says destructive ,so where r u

now

> ,ru in correct sense ???

>

> some feed backs we also needed to prove ourself .how far we r

correct in

> anlysing and also how far its go as far far as prediction is

concerned

> .R u going to say that KN rao has no good job as jup in 10th house

or

> senior hari vamsa rai bachan ji or BV raman ji or so many ppl who r

> popular in the world .Just by seeing jup and pronouncing results

> .Atleast think abt our management guru sri Lalu prasad yadav who

has jup

> in 6th house as lord in sag

>

> when some one asking abt future of marriage --prediction s,atleast

they

> can reply by saying ur wrong abt lov marriage it was an arranged

> marriage atleast .here nothing happening so day by day i am

assuming i

> dont want any name is astro grps .

>

> so unless u come out with known charts with known events ( atleast u

> discuss that way that this is my opinion than imposing pet

theoreys )

> and u r ready to discuss with ur theorey which u r keep on

repeating ,i

> must say i am not interested in ur any posts .

>

> so krishna ji u can see it with gemini and all the results will be

in

> line with that other wise also lagna is at cusp

>

> regrds sunil nair

>

> om shreem mahalaxmai namah

>

> ego ji --this was a common respnse which i am daily getting in my

mails

> ,so not interested in any thing except astrology

>

> so pls avoid replying to me directly .

, Krishnamurthy

> Seetharama <krishna_1998@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Nameisego ji,

> >

> > Ok, you are talking about a totally different dictum. I have also

> heard about " Karakao bhava naashya.. " , hence the confusion.

> >

> > Coming back to the dictum that you have quoted, it means that

Jupiter

> destroys the house it occupies and Saturn blesses the house it

occupies.

> Do you think it is applicable to all charts or is there a rider or

> something else to look for before applying the dictum? And, should

we

> look at Rasi chart or Bhava chart to apply this dictum? I am asking

this

> question because Jupiter changes house in my Bhava chart. Please

> clarify.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Krishna

> >

>

March 9, 2008

hare rama krishna

dear name is ego ji .

First i told u take the critisism as constructive ,since i am seeing u with 2 pet theoreys jup destorys and sat and rahu improves .so i requested u every time and expct u with atleast one chart with ur analsysis .As i am and all memebrs of this grp is open to discuss only .We r ready to accept any new things .we r ready with any new tools which make some one sharper in predictions .i think i am very much clear now .

some unknown bith times and unknown or uncorrect events wont support a theorey

i quoted so many charts to u in the mail itslef .I think we hav serious thing to do than kids playing around or accussing each other .So take it as a senior person who is doing astro as serious ( what evr profession u r in )

atleat we r all gathered here to not impose ones theorey .

u r saying i am doing it 2nd time ,where and when was it

u were not seeing house and karaka and bhava to declare results ,just seeing jup and declare it

also i never find ur way of analaysis

u just see except kirshna did any one consider ur chart >??????????????

but i got lot personal mails asking wat is this ,a club or a serious discussion grp

so u decide

i am not against u gentle man ,u r so nice ,but i was reminding how we shud do discussion in grp

u can read my mail again again

dont cling to one word ( i used stupid out of classics theoreys --not u r stupid ) other wise the luggage is on u to prove it ,i mean ball is in ur court .Dont escape by saying Nair was shocking

we r not pop choco astro grp saying u scratch my back i scrach ur back

if discussion shud get serious ,we shud be serious and constant in our approach .failing or success is a diffrnt thing .In this grp except KP all astrology has been discussed ( as KP needs special software and things I cannot even follow what is their discussion) ,other wise we r not against .But prove ,i beg to u .

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

, "nameisego" <nameisego wrote:>> > > Dear Mr.Nair,> > I am deeply shocked to read your post.You have addressed it to > Krishnaji and wrote everything to me on one to one basis.> > I had posted this chart in response to 5th house saturn, posting with > a little story of the person himself and his life.> > Where did I go wrong in doing this.> You wrote something like "Stupid Theory".> > I think this is very unbecoming of you to write such language.> If you do not like to reply to my general posting, please refrain > from reading my posts.> > No need to get worked up.Just think that I do not exist.> > I hope I have made myself clear. > > By the way, this is second time you have been very un gentlemanly > about my posting.> > Chill out sir.> > Tatvam-Asi>

March 10, 2008

Mr. Nair,

My reply to your posting is in upper case.

hare rama krishna

dear name is ego ji .

First i told u take the critisism as constructive ,since i am

seeing u with 2 pet theoreys jup destorys and sat and rahu improves .

REPLY: WHERE DID I IMPOSE MY PET THEORY ? I SAID THAT I I FOLLOW THE

DICTUM. IF YOU DON'T WANT TO FOLLOW,

IT IS YOUR CHOICE. I HAVE NEVER WRITTEN THAT RAHU IMPROVES. PLEASE DO

NOT SPRING RABBITS FROM THE HAT.

i requested u every time and expct u with atleast one chart with ur

analsysis .As i am and all memebrs of this grp is open to discuss only

.We r ready to accept any new things .we r ready with any new tools

which make some one sharper in predictions .i think i am very much

clea now .

REPLY: I AM NOT A FULL TIME ASTROLOGER LIKE YOU AND ALSO I AM NOT A

MEMBER OF 100 GROUPS. I HAVE OTHER THINGS TO DO.

THERE ARE MANY THINGS I WANT TO SHARE BUT IF PEOPLE KEEP SUCH AN

ATTITUDE, THEN THE ATMOSPHERE IS NOT CONGENIAL.

some unknown bith times and unknown or uncorrect events wont support a

theorey

REPLY: WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY UNKNOWN TIME AND UNKNOWN OR UNCORRECT

EVENT? WHAT THEORY AM I TALKING ABOUT?

i quoted so many charts to u in the mail itslef .I think we hav

serious

thing to do than kids playing around or accussing each other .So

take

it as a senior person who is doing astro as serious ( what evr

profession u r in )

REPLY : IF YOU ARE A SERIOUS PERSON, THEN ALL THE MEMBERS HERE ARE

ALSO SERIOUS PEOPLE AND ARE NOT HERE

FOR TIME PASS.IF YOU ARE A SENIOR PERSON, THEN, I AM ALSO A

GRANDFATHER AND AM LEARNING ASTROLOGY FOR THE LAST 45

YEARS AND WILL BE LEARNING IT TILL I DIE.

atleat we r all gathered here to not impose ones theorey .

REPLY : YOU ARE GOING ON REPEATING ABOUT IMPOSING THEORY. WHAT THEORY

AND WHEN DID I EVER IMPOSE ANY THEORY?

u r saying i am doing it 2nd time ,where and when was it

u were not seeing house and karaka and bhava to declare results ,just

seeing jup and declare it

REPLY : I ALREADY REPLIED TO THIS.(remember unmad yoga)

also i never find ur way of analaysis

REPLY: NEVER MR. NAIR?IF SO YOU WILL SOON SEE.

u just see except kirshna did any one consider ur chart

>??????????????

REPLY: WHY SHOULD I EXPECT THAT EVERYONE WILL RESPOND TO CHART GIVEN

BY ME? WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO IMPLY SAARE?

but i got lot personal mails asking wat is this ,a club or a serious

discussion grp

so u decide

REPLY: PLEASE POST ALL THOSE PERSONAL MAILS ASKING YOU " WHAT IS THIS

ETC...AND LET ME REPLY TO EACH OF THEM.

WHAT YOU WANT ME TO DECIDE?

i am not against u gentle man ,u r so nice ,but i was reminding how

we

shud do discussion in grp

u can read my mail again again.

REPLY: THANKS FOR THE COMPLIMENT ABOUT BEING NICE. AGAIN I AM ASKING

YOU, ARE YOU A MODERATOR ?

IF YES, THEN PLEASE TEACH ME HOW TO CONDUCT MYSELF IN A GROUP.

sorry i cannot read your mail again and again. once is more than

enough.

dont cling to one word ( i used stupid out of classics theoreys --not

u are stupid ) other wise the luggage is on u to prove it ,i mean

ball is in ur court .Dont escape by saying Nair was shocking

REPLY: WHAT IS IN MY COURT? WHAT AM I TO PROVE? WHAT ESCAPE ARE YOU

TALKING ABOUT MR. NAIR?

we r not pop choco astro grp saying u scratch my back i scrach ur

back

REPLY: WHAT MAKES YOU THINK THAT THIS IS A POP CHOCO GROUP IN MY EYES?

WHO IS SCRATCHING WHOSE BACK SIR? WHO IMPLIED SUCH THING?

if discussion shud get serious ,we shud be serious and constant in

our

approach .failing or success is a diffrnt thing .In this grp except

KP

all astrology has been discussed ( as KP needs special software and

things I cannot even follow what is their discussion) ,other wise we

r

not against .But prove ,i beg to u .

REPLY: AND YOU THINK THAT I AM NOT SERIOUS AND AM A TIMEPASS PERSON?

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

WITHOUT FURTHER ADO,

TATVAM-ASI

March 10, 2008

Dear Mr. Name_is_Ego ji,

Let me take it up with Mr. Nair.....better to call truce and go ahead...... Mr. Nair may not be good in english .... possibly there can a mix up of what he wanted to say or communicate and end up with some thing totally different ......... meanwhile I request you to maintain status quo ..... hope to resolve this today itself .....

My own observations:

1) Age is not the criteria so long one is learning this subject......

2) Similarly years of effort spent on the subject...is also not a true measure .... of quality { I go by western standards...where quality is given more importance than to Indian senority...a personal opionion case...} for Sri C.S. Patel during his younger days.....was par excellent than his peers....because of his poorva punya.....to quote an example...

3) One should NOT pressurize in other to accept a view point...... it is individuals discretion to accept or reject....

4) Probably Mr. Sunil Nair is interested to know in detail about your Rahu Centric Theory .... so may be expecting it a sort of write up when you have analysed few charts.....possibly there may be few more people wanting to know more about your Rahu Centric Theory,...should you be using it more during your chart analysis ..... surely it may catch up with aspiring astros and people may have some thing to contribute to your theory .....

I am of the opinion like any other profession the astrologer should also take risks to promote his knowledgebase or theories. Failures in a astro_prediction are immaterial so long the logics applied are satisfactory .... for we are NOT so organized like the modern science organizations today ..... and we astros lack the corroboration of data .... or experience.....so we need bother about prediction failures ....

Example: Sri K.N. Rao's double transit theory took time to be accepted ..... from initial sceptism that followed raised by many knowledgeable astros of his days .....

Note: What people know is only the double transit theory. There are certain variations to it .. which are not in public domain.

5) Whether a person is members in multiple groups or working whole time on astrology is not the focus ..... for it is individual driven ..... for there could be many reasons for a person to continue whole time or devote less time......

6) The current planetary positions are also contributing this flare-ups ..... happening in every group ....in some form or the other.....

7) In my opinion .... there is NO senior or junior in this group { so NO father-son-grandpa relations here... though we may take it in a relative sense, to make a point in our astro_discussions .... but surely NOT to settle personal scores ...... } .... all are on the same pedestal ... the one with superior logics are correct interpretations wins the argument .... or has the lasting effect on other astro_members ....

Kindly bear with me till then.....

With regards,

Sreeram_Srinivas

March 10, 2008

Hare rama krishna

dear name is ego ji

Thanks for ur mail .Let us make simple other than my bad english

I was not against u ,what i was proposing let us do a serious and healthy discussion

keeping aside our images .

so we shud work more on known charts and known events with more correct timing for seeing and pronouncing the results

jeeva nasha karo adage ( i posted some queries on most respected figures in india and abraod or interantionaly acclaimed sri kn raoji ,bv ramanji ,sri harivamsh rai bachan ji all has jup exalted in 10th house except raman ji ,sri Lalu prasda yadav has jup in 6th house in own sag mooltrikona house and no body will say he has lot of debts or he failes in competitions if u want again myself and other memebrs can contribute lot of charts )

other vridhi karo is adage ---also i request u on same ground s

also Unmad yoga ( yoga of madness) ,so many memebrs in grp has this yoga ,u know unmada means madness so u can ask them how many mad memebrs we hav in our grp .also i posted so many mad yoga ( unmad yoga charts ) during that discussion ,i hope it was settled then and their itself .

so i think this time am making it simple and direct than u take it on personal level ,also agreeing each other and patting on each other wont contribute in nay discussion grp unless its prooved ,yes off cource no body can giv 100% results .

also i dont wanted u to discuss rahu theorey and i am not forcing u to it ,but unless u r not ready to discuss it ,pls dont include in ur observation abt charts ,as if we may bin some alien land .so pls spare us ,if u r not ready for it .

as in any discussion grp minimum we shud able to explain why we take this stand or this view .so u can omit in further discussion which points u r not ready to disclose ,also say why u take this stand and declare results .

I still repeat seeing only on jup and declaring the results is too much over stretched .

Pls let us not discuss our age or exp and we want results ,that is why we r all here ,

here no one is guru and no one is sisya ,all of us r learning or reserching

hope this time i make it more clear .

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah

March 10, 2008

Dearr Mr. Nair,

I am again asking you a question,

You have written,

" also i dont wanted u to discuss rahu theorey and i am not forcing u

to it ,but unless u r not ready to discuss it ,pls dont include in ur

observation abt charts ,as if we may bin some alien land .so pls

spare us ,if u r not ready for it . "

Why , may I ask you , that you don't want me to discuss Rahu centric

theory?

Are you a moderator?

I have already put a link to downloading my previous work based on

Rahu centric Theory in this columns.

If you have not downloaded it, then I cannot help it.

Henceforth, I will be posting on different subjects using My theory

principles with examples instead of giving theory details.

It will be upto individual members to make a note and try and follow.

As informed to Mr. Sreenivasji, I aim to take up Rahu centric theory

taking subjects like Maraka Periods etc.

My postings will be aimed at people who want to experiment using Rahu

centric principles as an added tool in prognostication.

I have repeated time and again about " Bhava Nasha Karo Jeeva " that

it is not my theory. Guru has dual nature as almost all the planets

owing two houses have.Good and Bad. Overall picture of the planet's

effect depends upon its ownership of a bhava and aspects it gets .

Why members are forgetting about what I posted about Guru in my

second posting on its posonous nature with reasons where I wrote

about planetory Nodes and nature of Dhanur Rasi?

I request members to check my older postings( which are barely three

months old on this board). about my findings .

Tatvam-Asi

, " sunil nair "

<astro_tellerkerala wrote:

>

> Hare rama krishna

>

> dear name is ego ji

>

> Thanks for ur mail .Let us make simple other than my bad

english

>

> I was not against u ,what i was proposing let us do a serious and

> healthy discussion

>

> keeping aside our images .

>

> so we shud work more on known charts and known events with more

> correct timing for seeing and pronouncing the results

>

> jeeva nasha karo adage ( i posted some queries on most respected

figures

> in india and abraod or interantionaly acclaimed sri kn raoji ,bv

ramanji

> ,sri harivamsh rai bachan ji all has jup exalted in 10th house

except

> raman ji ,sri Lalu prasda yadav has jup in 6th house in own sag

> mooltrikona house and no body will say he has lot of debts or he

failes

> in competitions if u want again myself and other memebrs can

contribute

> lot of charts )

>

> other vridhi karo is adage ---also i request u on same ground s

>

> also Unmad yoga ( yoga of madness) ,so many memebrs in grp has this

yoga

> ,u know unmada means madness so u can ask them how many mad memebrs

we

> hav in our grp .also i posted so many mad yoga ( unmad yoga charts )

> during that discussion ,i hope it was settled then and their

itself .

>

> so i think this time am making it simple and direct than u take it

on

> personal level ,also agreeing each other and patting on each other

wont

> contribute in nay discussion grp unless its prooved ,yes off cource

no

> body can giv 100% results .

>

> also i dont wanted u to discuss rahu theorey and i am not forcing u

to

> it ,but unless u r not ready to discuss it ,pls dont include in ur

> observation abt charts ,as if we may bin some alien land .so pls

spare

> us ,if u r not ready for it .

>

> as in any discussion grp minimum we shud able to explain why we take

> this stand or this view .so u can omit in further discussion which

> points u r not ready to disclose ,also say why u take this stand and

> declare results .

>

> I still repeat seeing only on jup and declaring the results is too

much

> over stretched .

>

> Pls let us not discuss our age or exp and we want results ,that is

why

> we r all here ,

>

> here no one is guru and no one is sisya ,all of us r learning or

> reserching

>

> hope this time i make it more clear .

>

> regrds sunil nair

>

> om shreem mahalaxmai namah

>

March 10, 2008

Dear Tatvam-Asi ji and Sunil ji, I second Srinivas ji (our moderator) in this issue - let us forget the conflicts and move on and let the discussions be creative providing more astrological info and input to all so that interesting outputs can happen. To those whose want to know more about the "Rahu Centric Theory" of Tatvam-Asi ji (which I am yet to comprehend how to use without proper tools), the following links could be useful: 1) /message/8903 2) /message/9031 3) http://www.indiadivine.org/audarya/vedic astrology-jyotisha/315603-study-rahu-centric-theory-gaurav.html 4) /message/6276 5) Download PDF: http://www.prashna-astrology.com/resources/An+Introduction+to+Rahu+Centric-HP+Theory+Principles.PDF

Note: I request Tatvam-Asi ji to share his calculation methods and tools. Without a clear cut understanding of his methods and tools used by him - it is impossible for anyone to evaluate his claims, or to use his theory. Even if I want to study more about or use and evaluate his theory in the abasence of tools and knowledge about the mathametics he follow - it would be impossible for me to evaluate and speak anything in favor of or against his pet theories. Love and regards,Sreenadh , "sreeram srinivas" <sreeram64 wrote:

Re: 5H_Saturn....Rare case...Mr. Nair