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I find that there are so many well versed members in the forum. Hence

I will like to strengthen my knowledge on astrology. While going

through various astrological books I find that predictions are being

concluded after applying some basic principles.

 

To start with I will like to know that why Mercury having Earthy

element has been given the lordship of Gemini sign having Airy

element. Whereas Earth element has enmity with Air element.

 

I hope I will get some logical and correct answer based on the

concept on which our sages done so.

 

sanat

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Hare rama krishna

dear sanat kumar ji

 

Its very happy to know that even after 30 Yrs ( i am seeing this claim last almost 5 yrs that u r a vedic astrologer for last 25 yrs ) u r still in search of basics .But i would like to tell u some thing >if u r beahving the same way in other grps and becoming a tool for some foreign vested interest ,here we will be treating u very harshly and u will be terminated from memebr ship .So u know how to behave in this reserch and study grp .And here we r not claiming we know all approach .But if u go tru archives ,u can find that applicablitiy of jyothish and many of ur questions we r not bothered also ,suppose a student learning numbers or even ABC ,first he is learning it ,then only if u hav time and resources u go for more deeper >that depends on person to person .

 

That classification of bhoomi tatwa has given to mercury in pancha bhaootha nirnayam .

 

were as rasi concept is differnt .And as a tool vedic rishis included 1000s of things with 9 planets and 12 rasis as life in always evolving and getting more and more complicated .And its being proved day by day .And dont expect me to teach u whole vedic astrology in one mail

 

and if u ask me what this pancha maha purusha raja yogas or other raja yogas why its not operating in stone age or fruit picking community i dont hav answer .May be i can say desa ,kaala ,patra and paristiti principle applies.Many of ur questions are like which came first egg or chicken ??????????

 

And one more thing merc has kanaya rasi also ,which is bhoomi rasi .And he exlats there and even his mool trikon rasi also same ,so u know where merc like most to be seated and its interest .And with last 30 yrs i know that u know this So i am sure what this question is indicating and where u wanted to lead it .other wise why u avoided it ??

 

other wise merc in a chart it adopts the nature of planet it conjoins and aspects .

If u r after all classification ,i can say only one thing each is using in diffrnt diffrnt occassions in life for phala nirnaya .And we find its working upto 100% in experienced hands >

 

Some times i even feel ,all this planets rishis used as an indicaters and for our calculation purpose .

 

otherwise how the karmas from many life is following us without any fail and getting the fruits of it .Good or bad as per chart ?

 

Its like u r using electricity -some can say i cant blv it ,as i am not seeing it or tasting it .

 

But in practical sense the blver or non blver both getting benefits of it .

 

By the by how far u succeded in prooving vedic astrologers are biggest faruds in world

 

or do u discard the challenge .Just curious that is all

 

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

Ps --no more repeating the same false exercise again .for ur kind information and we r busy in cheating and dont come in between .Unless u wanted to study this gr8 coning technic .

 

 

, "sanat2221" <sanatkumar_jain wrote:>> I find that there are so many well versed members in the forum. Hence > I will like to strengthen my knowledge on astrology. While going > through various astrological books I find that predictions are being > concluded after applying some basic principles. > > To start with I will like to know that why Mercury having Earthy > element has been given the lordship of Gemini sign having Airy > element. Whereas Earth element has enmity with Air element.> > I hope I will get some logical and correct answer based on the > concept on which our sages done so.> > sanat>

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Dear friend,

 

In modern chemistry, H2O ( Water) is regarded as a Liquid.

Whereas at above 100 Degree C, it becomes gaseous steam.

Under 0d egrees C, it becomes solid ice.

 

Thus, it is the conditions that decides what one thing /person/planet

etc will behave.

 

Tatvam-Asi

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dear members pls suggest good astrological software mmj

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Hello,

 

Please visit

 

www.vedicastrologer.org , and download the Jagannath Hora software.

This is a freeware and is good.

 

Tatvam-Asi

 

 

, M M J

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> dear members

> pls suggest good astrological software

> mmj

>

>

>

> Rise to the challenge for Sport Relief with for Good

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Hare rama krishna

dear sanat kumar ji

 

i forget to add ( other membr can contribute also )

 

As a planet of intellect and academic education ( i mean main karaka s tho 1000s of other is there ) merc ury demands both tatwas earthy of absorption ,then assimilation and then airy for imagination and planing and executing .

 

Dont think or argue one instance with other

 

if panch bhootas are enemy to each other u and me or this universe will be non existant or useless .As most of the living being is made out of it .And no question of tatwas also then .

 

after death of a thing only pancha bhoothas dis integrates

 

why vedas says fire was existing in water ?????Any idea

 

 

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

, "sunil nair" <astro_tellerkerala wrote:>> > > > Hare rama krishna> > dear sanat kumar ji> > > > Its very happy to know that even after 30 Yrs ( i am seeing this claim> last almost 5 yrs that u r a vedic astrologer for last 25 yrs ) u r> still in search of basics .But i would like to tell u some thing >if u r> beahving the same way in other grps and becoming a tool for some foreign> vested interest ,here we will be treating u very harshly and u will be> terminated from memebr ship .So u know how to behave in this reserch and> study grp .And here we r not claiming we know all approach .But if u go> tru archives ,u can find that applicablitiy of jyothish and many of ur> questions we r not bothered also ,suppose a student learning numbers or> even ABC ,first he is learning it ,then only if u hav time and resources> u go for more deeper >that depends on person to person .> > > > That classification of bhoomi tatwa has given to mercury in pancha> bhaootha nirnayam .> > > > were as rasi concept is differnt .And as a tool vedic rishis included> 1000s of things with 9 planets and 12 rasis as life in always evolving> and getting more and more complicated .And its being proved day by day> .And dont expect me to teach u whole vedic astrology in one mail> > > > and if u ask me what this pancha maha purusha raja yogas or other raja> yogas why its not operating in stone age or fruit picking community i> dont hav answer .May be i can say desa ,kaala ,patra and paristiti> principle applies.Many of ur questions are like which came first egg or> chicken ??????????> > > > And one more thing merc has kanaya rasi also ,which is bhoomi rasi .And> he exlats there and even his mool trikon rasi also same ,so u know where> merc like most to be seated and its interest .And with last 30 yrs i> know that u know this So i am sure what this question is indicating and> where u wanted to lead it .other wise why u avoided it ??> > > > other wise merc in a chart it adopts the nature of planet it conjoins> and aspects .> > If u r after all classification ,i can say only one thing each is using> in diffrnt diffrnt occassions in life for phala nirnaya .And we find its> working upto 100% in experienced hands >> > > > Some times i even feel ,all this planets rishis used as an indicaters> and for our calculation purpose .> > > > otherwise how the karmas from many life is following us without any fail> and getting the fruits of it .Good or bad as per chart ?> > > > Its like u r using electricity -some can say i cant blv it ,as i am not> seeing it or tasting it .> > > > But in practical sense the blver or non blver both getting benefits of> it .> > > > By the by how far u succeded in prooving vedic astrologers are biggest> faruds in world> > > > or do u discard the challenge .Just curious that is all> > > > regrds sunil nair> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> > Ps --no more repeating the same false exercise again .for ur kind> information and we r busy in cheating and dont come in between .Unless u> wanted to study this gr8 coning technic .> > > > > > > , "sanat2221"> sanatkumar_jain@ wrote:> >> > I find that there are so many well versed members in the forum. Hence> > I will like to strengthen my knowledge on astrology. While going> > through various astrological books I find that predictions are being> > concluded after applying some basic principles.> >> > To start with I will like to know that why Mercury having Earthy> > element has been given the lordship of Gemini sign having Airy> > element. Whereas Earth element has enmity with Air element.> >> > I hope I will get some logical and correct answer based on the> > concept on which our sages done so.> >> > sanat> >>

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Dear Mr. Sanat_Kumar_Jain,

Very interesting question. Let me reply your question with a counter question.

a) First let me know, why your parents have given you the name "Sanat Kumar" {assuming it to be your parents assigned name and not a pseudo name for internet arguments purpose}, when so many other names and combinations are available.

b) Why were you born to your parents only, when there are so many combinations available.

I do understand that you are a very knowledgeable & intelligent person and hope to get CORRECT + LOGICAL answers from you, in line with our sages crypted statements.

Note: We are aware of your life's mission

With regards,

Sreeram_Srinivas

, "sanat2221" <sanatkumar_jain wrote:I find that there are so many well versed members in the forum. Hence I will like to strengthen my knowledge on astrology. While going through various astrological books I find that predictions are being concluded after applying some basic principles. To start with I will like to know that why Mercury having Earthy element has been given the lordship of Gemini sign having Airy element. Whereas Earth element has enmity with Air element. I hope I will get some logical and correct answer based on the concept on which our sages done so. sanat

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Dear Nameisego ji,

A good answer.

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

, " nameisego "

<nameisego wrote:

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> Dear friend,

>

> In modern chemistry, H2O ( Water) is regarded as a Liquid.

> Whereas at above 100 Degree C, it becomes gaseous steam.

> Under 0d egrees C, it becomes solid ice.

>

> Thus, it is the conditions that decides what one thing /person/planet

> etc will behave.

>

> Tatvam-Asi

>

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Dear Sanat ji, The following article may help to clear some of your doubts (if your doubts are original): Articles%20and%20E-books/A%20Brief%20Introduction%20to%20Vedic%20Astrology.docLove and regards,Sreenadh , "sanat2221" <sanatkumar_jain wrote:>> I find that there are so many well versed members in the forum. Hence > I will like to strengthen my knowledge on astrology. While going > through various astrological books I find that predictions are being > concluded after applying some basic principles. > > To start with I will like to know that why Mercury having Earthy > element has been given the lordship of Gemini sign having Airy > element. Whereas Earth element has enmity with Air element.> > I hope I will get some logical and correct answer based on the > concept on which our sages done so.> > sanat>

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Dear Sanat ji, Can you please tell me why earthy planet should get the ownership of only earthy house? Why did you make such an assumption? What is the basis? In real life we see so many idiots occupying powerful positions. And, a person who does not to know what to do with money owns tons of cash. Is that logical? Everything in this universe happens based on certain cosmic logic of course. But, it may not be correct to say that it should happen according to your logic or what you feel is logical. It might sound illogical until we understand the correct logic. Like most assumptions in Astrology, even this one is not stated by our sages explicitly and hene we don't know the logic. It does not mean it is illogical. The reason for ownership of different houses by different planets, according to me, comes because of a different reason. It is based on the position of a planet in the solar

system. As we know Sun and Moon are the most influencing 'grahas' as far as earth is concerned. Sun has the ownership of Leo and Moon of Cancer. If you are familiar with the south indian sytle of the chart, please draw a horizontal line at the junction of Cancer and Leo. Cancer owned by Moon falls in the top half and Leo owned by Sun falls in the bottom half. Now, after Leo starting Virgo put the planets in each sign in their order in the solar system in clockwise direction. Do the same from Gemini in anticlockwise direction. Now, you would have placed all planets in the signs they own. This could be one possible explanation. I don't know for sure. I am still thinking about it. Regards, Krishna sanat2221 <sanatkumar_jain wrote: I find that there are so many well versed members in the forum. Hence I will like to strengthen my knowledge on astrology. While going through various astrological books I find that predictions are being concluded after applying some basic principles. To start with I will like to know that why Mercury having Earthy element has been given the lordship of Gemini sign having Airy element. Whereas Earth element has enmity with Air element.I hope I will get some logical and correct answer based on the concept on which our sages done so.sanat

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Dear Members,

 

Let me share little background on this subject. Mr. Sanat Kumar Jain

has published a book { Rs. 700 odd } trying to prove that astrology is

a hoax or so its practising members. A person of such a professed

missionary zeal against astrology, do you hope {in this life time} that

he would be changing his views and withdraw his possibly first book

published by him, with another supporting astrology ??

 

I had in past written extensively in various about changing

faces of western psychology or philosophy or parapsychology...etc...,

all finally veering around and concluding with what our Hindu scriptures

have long said. Their learning curve is parabole, while our is

hyperbole !!

 

Surely, we are NOT here to make our astro_points in order to reinforce

or bring belief in a person who is on a missionary zeal ??

 

My personal experience is that people tend to change only when they have

" close encounters " with death, till then, they are energised by their

own mental outlook.

 

Let us not waste our energies on such people, for whom any amount of

proof would NOT be sufficient.

 

With regards,

 

Sreeram_Srinivas

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Dear Srinivas ji, I already know this Sanat from various as - * An bogus person interested only in the missionary action of marketing his book and doing astrology bashing. * A man with very limited knowledge writing numerous pages without content. * As his mails usually reflects he lacks the basic sincerity and indulge in a proper and in-depth study - usually he is simply journalistic and superfluous. Since all these are known facts - it is ok; don't worry. :=) His book costs Rs.870/- and this stupid fellow who is this much interested in astro bashing, is NOT READY to provide a pdf copy of the book to anyone for free - but instead only interested in marketing and selling it for cash. All the words and group search and controversies he create seems to be just for the sake of advertisement of his first book. Poor man! But this atheist without sincerity usually projects himself as "an astrologer with 25+ years of experience" in an effort to sell his book using all the false propaganda!! Thus there is nothing to worry - we are dealing with a known persona - and as long a not a nuisance we can bear with it. The point is we shouldn't be much bothered about the behavior of the people outside this group - but only here. Even if people do group bashing or astro bashing outside, if they are behaving constructively for the group discussions and is providing sufficient knowledge input (like Kaul ji) we can bear with them even if they are arguing AGAINST astrology. But if it turns out to be useless controversies with numerous pages without content and 2 line comments for effortful write-ups then we can dispose it off. So don't worry.Love and regards,Sreenadh , "sreeram srinivas" <sreeram64 wrote:>> > Dear Members,> > Let me share little background on this subject. Mr. Sanat Kumar Jain> has published a book { Rs. 700 odd } trying to prove that astrology is> a hoax or so its practising members. A person of such a professed> missionary zeal against astrology, do you hope {in this life time} that> he would be changing his views and withdraw his possibly first book> published by him, with another supporting astrology ??> > I had in past written extensively in various about changing> faces of western psychology or philosophy or parapsychology...etc..., > all finally veering around and concluding with what our Hindu scriptures> have long said. Their learning curve is parabole, while our is> hyperbole !!> > Surely, we are NOT here to make our astro_points in order to reinforce> or bring belief in a person who is on a missionary zeal ??> > My personal experience is that people tend to change only when they have> "close encounters" with death, till then, they are energised by their> own mental outlook.> > Let us not waste our energies on such people, for whom any amount of> proof would NOT be sufficient.> > With regards,> > Sreeram_Srinivas>

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Dear All, Those who want to know more about this over-howling primitive with "more than 35 years of experience in astrology" can visit the following page: http://www.scribd.com/doc/469915/astrology-a-science-or-myth He believes that "all anthropological principles are fabricated based on the wrong concept that earth is at the center of the universe" :=) Poor man!! Even the minor paragraphs by him reveals his superfluous, over howling nature and lack of understanding about both - * true science and scientific method * astrology and other holistic subjects (and holistic method) A simple confused mess with limited understanding in many fields but who is making a lot of notice in various groups - just out of the selfish effort to promote his book and get name. With all that 35+ years of experience with a childhood of approx 20 years he seems to be a man who is in the unrepairably damaged state of old age possibly above 60 years; still lacking the basics of understanding, sincerity, awareness of in-depth learning and so on. Forget astrology and science - it is just natural that his basic nature may reflect in everything he touch. Anyway we should be open to all kinds of possibilities, and there for it is also possible that we may get some good inputs from him. Love and regards,Sreenadh , "Sreenadh" <sreesog wrote:Dear Srinivas ji, I already know this Sanat from various as - * An bogus person interested only in the missionary action of marketing his book and doing astrology bashing. * A man with very limited knowledge writing numerous pages without content. * As his mails usually reflects he lacks the basic sincerity and indulge in a proper and in-depth study - usually he is simply journalistic and superfluous. Since all these are known facts - it is ok; don't worry. :=) His book costs Rs.870/- and this stupid fellow who is this much interested in astro bashing, is NOT READY to provide a pdf copy of the book to anyone for free - but instead only interested in marketing and selling it for cash. All the words and group search and controversies he create seems to be just for the sake of advertisement of his first book. Poor man! But this atheist without sincerity usually projects himself as "an astrologer with 25+ years of experience" in an effort to sell his book using all the false propaganda!! Thus there is nothing to worry - we are dealing with a known persona - and as long a not a nuisance we can bear with it. The point is we shouldn't be much bothered about the behavior of the people outside this group - but only here. Even if people do group bashing or astro bashing outside, if they are behaving constructively for the group discussions and is providing sufficient knowledge input (like Kaul ji) we can bear with them even if they are arguing AGAINST astrology. But if it turns out to be useless controversies with numerous pages without content and 2 line comments for effortful write-ups then we can dispose it off. So don't worry.Love and regards,Sreenadh> , "sreeram srinivas"> sreeram64@ wrote:> >> >> > Dear Members,> >> > Let me share little background on this subject. Mr. Sanat Kumar Jain> > has published a book { Rs. 700 odd } trying to prove that astrology is> > a hoax or so its practising members. A person of such a professed> > missionary zeal against astrology, do you hope {in this life time}> that> > he would be changing his views and withdraw his possibly first book> > published by him, with another supporting astrology ??> >> > I had in past written extensively in various about> changing> > faces of western psychology or philosophy or parapsychology...etc...,> > all finally veering around and concluding with what our Hindu> scriptures> > have long said. Their learning curve is parabole, while our is> > hyperbole !!> >> > Surely, we are NOT here to make our astro_points in order to reinforce> > or bring belief in a person who is on a missionary zeal ??> >> > My personal experience is that people tend to change only when they> have> > "close encounters" with death, till then, they are energised by their> > own mental outlook.> >> > Let us not waste our energies on such people, for whom any amount of> > proof would NOT be sufficient.> >> > With regards,> >> > Sreeram_Srinivas> >>

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Dear Srinivasji and Shreenadhji,Dear Shreenadhji, belated wishes on your marriage, wish you a happy married life. Even I had encountered one such person who's agenda is to market his book. This guy can be tolerated as long as they respect the group and behave, but as Srinivasji perfectly said, these guys dont change their belief till they die. I have friends who secrectly consult astrologers but criticize astrology just to show off to their girlfriends that they are modern. These guys have a strong tendency to ape the west on everything. Infact even I am modern in my outlook and living style, but have tremendous respect towards our ancient culture and the gems given to us by our sages. But, these "western" guys have a notion that whoever follows astrology/yoga/visits temples arent modern enough. In UK, there has been a boom of yoga, and only after that have these hindu-bashers toned down their opposition to yoga. Now, these guys have gone silent on opposing

yoga, just because the west has openly accepted yoga. Shreenadhji rightly said that we can tolerate these people as long as they behave inside the group, but it should also be kept in mind that if we dont oppose these characters they might even write a book which would be used by politicians to whip up anti-hindu sentiments. I had a very interesting experience with a guy (I wont take his name) who is working in IRS and has claimed to have estimated the DOB of Lord Rama to be on 10th Jan, 5114 BC. I have argued with him in a blog, but he just wants to prove me wrong by hook or crook just to market his book. As he had already written the book, he found it very hard to digest that whatever he had written was completely wrong, even when I argued with him logically. Basically he used a planetarium software to see if the planets were in the same position as mentioned in Valmiki's Ramayana. But he is so foolish/arrogant that he isnt accepting the facts which I

pointed out:1. All planetarium softwares used the zodiac boundary demarcation approved by the International Astronomical Organisation in 1930. They have zodiac signs which are not there in ancient astrology. But Valmiki didnt know anything about IAO, nor was he born after 1930, right?2. Valmiki used our system of astrology, hence when deducing where the planets were, we should use related astrological software such as Jhora, right? And when we use Jhora for 10th Jan, 5114, saturn is not in libra.3. Even if we take his planetarium software, I showed him with clear calculations that there is not a time on 10th jan 5114 BC when, punarvasu 4th pada and kataka lagna match. But he still doesnt buy that mathematical argument.4. There can be numerous other dates thousands of years ago, wherein the planets would have come in exactly same position, but he some how is fixed on 5000 BC, just to prove the western theory of Aryan Invansion.5. The

final argument was awesome: When asked by many people as to 5000 BC isnt treta yuga, but Ramayan occured in treta yuga, his argument was that the yuga definition that we have been using is completely wrong, and yuga actually consists of 1200 years, and infact we are presently in dwapara yuga. Such arguments first made be boil, but later I realized that no matter how perfect you argue, these fools dont change. He too was claiming that astrology and astronomy were different and that he doesnt believe astrology (I pointed to him that vasishta muni used the planetary positions and predicted Lord Rama's future, but he didnt respond to that). He believes in aping the west where they respect astronomy but call astrology as rubbish. They dont know that most of the astronomical details were already mentioned by our sages (like earth is round, it rotates round the sun, etc) but, they believe only when Galileo says so. Infact people are now unearthing that speed of light,

distance between planets and sun, etc were perfectly calculated by sages long back. I even asked for a pdf copy of his book, but expectedly he asked me to buy it. Infact whenever someone asked his some complicated questions, he used to first ridicule them, then bash them up, then finally ask them to read his book (of course only after buying them). The only aim of these guys is to sell their stupid books and become famous. They also know the secret that astrology-bashing would lead them to making some quick bucks as most of our idiotic "modern" citizens like such books. Hence we can just take some fun out of this guy, as we need some entertainment from serious topics, but if he crosses limits he should be kicked with some harsh words.Regards,Vijay.Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: Dear Srinivas ji, I already know this Sanat from various as - * An bogus person interested only in the missionary action of marketing his book and doing astrology bashing. * A man with very limited knowledge writing numerous pages without content. * As his mails usually reflects he lacks the basic sincerity and indulge in a proper and in-depth study - usually he is simply journalistic and superfluous.

Since all these are known facts - it is ok; don't worry. :=) His book costs Rs.870/- and this stupid fellow who is this much interested in astro bashing, is NOT READY to provide a pdf copy of the book to anyone for free - but instead only interested in marketing and selling it for cash. All the words and group search and controversies he create seems to be just for the sake of advertisement of his first book. Poor man! But this atheist without sincerity usually projects himself as "an astrologer with 25+ years of experience" in an effort to sell his book using all the false propaganda!! Thus there is nothing to worry - we are dealing with a known persona - and as long a not a nuisance we can bear with it. The point is we shouldn't be much bothered about the behavior of the people outside this group - but only here. Even if people do group bashing or astro bashing outside, if

they are behaving constructively for the group discussions and is providing sufficient knowledge input (like Kaul ji) we can bear with them even if they are arguing AGAINST astrology. But if it turns out to be useless controversies with numerous pages without content and 2 line comments for effortful write-ups then we can dispose it off. So don't worry.Love and regards,Sreenadh , "sreeram srinivas" <sreeram64 wrote:>> > Dear Members,> > Let me share little background on this subject. Mr. Sanat Kumar Jain> has published a book { Rs. 700 odd } trying to prove that astrology is> a hoax or so its practising members. A person of such a professed> missionary zeal against astrology, do you hope {in this life time} that> he would be changing his views and withdraw his possibly first book>

published by him, with another supporting astrology ??> > I had in past written extensively in various about changing> faces of western psychology or philosophy or parapsychology...etc..., > all finally veering around and concluding with what our Hindu scriptures> have long said. Their learning curve is parabole, while our is> hyperbole !!> > Surely, we are NOT here to make our astro_points in order to reinforce> or bring belief in a person who is on a missionary zeal ??> > My personal experience is that people tend to change only when they have> "close encounters" with death, till then, they are energised by their> own mental outlook.> > Let us not waste our energies on such people, for whom any amount of> proof would NOT be sufficient.> > With regards,> > Sreeram_Srinivas>

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Dear Shreenadhji, I read his "article", its full of bullsh*t. Nowhere has he ever argued scientifically/astronomically or even logically. He seems to be a casteist person, who is out to prove that sages "looted" the lower castes by astrology. I laughed after reading his article. He seems to be more stupid than I thought. Also the randi.org foundation which he said give 1 million dollars to anyone who proves astrology, is also wrong. Infact they never talk about astrology, they only talk about paranormal, pseudoscience, (when people claim they can see ghosts, etc). He is not only stupid, but is also spreading completely false information, and his article is full of marketing strategy so that his book is sold worldwide. Anyway, his style of writing shows he would not have sold even 10 books, LOL. We can just take fun out of this poor old stupid man. He can be more laughed at than debated. Regards,Vijay.Sreenadh

<sreesog wrote: Dear All, Those who want to know more about this over-howling primitive with "more than 35 years of experience in astrology" can visit the following page: http://www.scribd.com/doc/469915/astrology-a-science-or-myth He believes that "all anthropological principles are fabricated based on the wrong concept

that earth is at the center of the universe" :=) Poor man!! Even the minor paragraphs by him reveals his superfluous, over howling nature and lack of understanding about both - * true science and scientific method * astrology and other holistic subjects (and holistic method) A simple confused mess with limited understanding in many fields but who is making a lot of notice in various groups - just out of the selfish effort to promote his book and get name. With all that 35+ years of experience with a childhood of approx 20 years he seems to be a man who is in the unrepairably damaged state of old age possibly above 60 years; still lacking the basics of understanding, sincerity, awareness of in-depth learning and so on. Forget astrology and science - it is just natural that his basic nature may reflect in everything he touch. Anyway we should be open

to all kinds of possibilities, and there for it is also possible that we may get some good inputs from him. Love and regards,Sreenadh , "Sreenadh" <sreesog wrote:Dear Srinivas ji, I already know this Sanat from various as - * An bogus person interested only in the missionary action of marketing his book and doing astrology bashing. * A man with very limited knowledge writing numerous pages without content. * As his mails usually reflects he lacks the basic sincerity and indulge in a proper and in-depth study - usually he is simply journalistic and superfluous. Since all these are

known facts - it is ok; don't worry. :=) His book costs Rs.870/- and this stupid fellow who is this much interested in astro bashing, is NOT READY to provide a pdf copy of the book to anyone for free - but instead only interested in marketing and selling it for cash. All the words and group search and controversies he create seems to be just for the sake of advertisement of his first book. Poor man! But this atheist without sincerity usually projects himself as "an astrologer with 25+ years of experience" in an effort to sell his book using all the false propaganda!! Thus there is nothing to worry - we are dealing with a known persona - and as long a not a nuisance we can bear with it. The point is we shouldn't be much bothered about the behavior of the people outside this group - but only here. Even if people do group bashing or astro bashing outside, if they are behaving constructively for the

group discussions and is providing sufficient knowledge input (like Kaul ji) we can bear with them even if they are arguing AGAINST astrology. But if it turns out to be useless controversies with numerous pages without content and 2 line comments for effortful write-ups then we can dispose it off. So don't worry.Love and regards,Sreenadh> , "sreeram srinivas"> sreeram64@ wrote:> >> >> > Dear Members,> >> > Let me share little background on this subject. Mr. Sanat Kumar Jain> > has published a book { Rs. 700 odd } trying to prove that astrology is> > a hoax or so its practising members. A person of such a professed> > missionary zeal against astrology, do you hope {in this life time}> that> > he would be changing his views and withdraw his possibly first book>

> published by him, with another supporting astrology ??> >> > I had in past written extensively in various about> changing> > faces of western psychology or philosophy or parapsychology...etc...,> > all finally veering around and concluding with what our Hindu> scriptures> > have long said. Their learning curve is parabole, while our is> > hyperbole !!> >> > Surely, we are NOT here to make our astro_points in order to reinforce> > or bring belief in a person who is on a missionary zeal ??> >> > My personal experience is that people tend to change only when they> have> > "close encounters" with death, till then, they are energised by their> > own mental outlook.> >> > Let us not waste our energies on such people, for whom any amount of> > proof would NOT be

sufficient.> >> > With regards,> >> > Sreeram_Srinivas> >>

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Dear Shreenadhji, How about studying this person's chart. We will get an interesting case for our databank, provided he gives us his "correct" DOB.Regards,Vijay.Vijayanarasimha H Pakka <hpvijaynarasimha wrote: Dear Shreenadhji, I read his "article", its full of bullsh*t. Nowhere has he ever argued scientifically/astronomically or even logically. He seems to be a casteist person, who is out to prove that sages "looted" the lower castes by astrology. I laughed after reading his article. He seems to be more stupid than I

thought. Also the randi.org foundation which he said give 1 million dollars to anyone who proves astrology, is also wrong. Infact they never talk about astrology, they only talk about paranormal, pseudoscience, (when people claim they can see ghosts, etc). He is not only stupid, but is also spreading completely false information, and his article is full of marketing strategy so that his book is sold worldwide. Anyway, his style of writing shows he would not have sold even 10 books, LOL. We can just take fun out of this poor old stupid man. He can be more laughed at than debated. Regards,Vijay.Sreenadh <sreesog > wrote: Dear All, Those who want to know more about this

over-howling primitive with "more than 35 years of experience in astrology" can visit the following page: http://www.scribd.com/doc/469915/astrology-a-science-or-myth He believes that "all anthropological principles are fabricated based on the wrong concept that earth is at the center of the universe" :=) Poor man!! Even the minor paragraphs by him reveals his superfluous, over howling nature and lack of understanding about both - * true science and scientific method * astrology and other holistic subjects (and holistic method) A simple confused mess with limited understanding in many fields but who is making a lot of notice in various groups - just out of the selfish effort to promote his book and get name. With all that 35+ years of

experience with a childhood of approx 20 years he seems to be a man who is in the unrepairably damaged state of old age possibly above 60 years; still lacking the basics of understanding, sincerity, awareness of in-depth learning and so on. Forget astrology and science - it is just natural that his basic nature may reflect in everything he touch. Anyway we should be open to all kinds of possibilities, and there for it is also possible that we may get some good inputs from him. Love and regards,Sreenadh , "Sreenadh" <sreesog wrote:Dear Srinivas ji, I already know this Sanat from various as - * An bogus person interested only in the

missionary action of marketing his book and doing astrology bashing. * A man with very limited knowledge writing numerous pages without content. * As his mails usually reflects he lacks the basic sincerity and indulge in a proper and in-depth study - usually he is simply journalistic and superfluous. Since all these are known facts - it is ok; don't worry. :=) His book costs Rs.870/- and this stupid fellow who is this much interested in astro bashing, is NOT READY to provide a pdf copy of the book to anyone for free - but instead only interested in marketing and selling it for cash. All the words and group search and controversies he create seems to be just for the sake of advertisement of his first book. Poor man! But this atheist without sincerity usually projects himself as "an astrologer with 25+ years of experience" in an effort to sell his

book using all the false propaganda!! Thus there is nothing to worry - we are dealing with a known persona - and as long a not a nuisance we can bear with it. The point is we shouldn't be much bothered about the behavior of the people outside this group - but only here. Even if people do group bashing or astro bashing outside, if they are behaving constructively for the group discussions and is providing sufficient knowledge input (like Kaul ji) we can bear with them even if they are arguing AGAINST astrology. But if it turns out to be useless controversies with numerous pages without content and 2 line comments for effortful write-ups then we can dispose it off. So don't worry.Love and regards,Sreenadh> , "sreeram srinivas"> sreeram64@ wrote:> >> >> > Dear Members,> >>

> Let me share little background on this subject. Mr. Sanat Kumar Jain> > has published a book { Rs. 700 odd } trying to prove that astrology is> > a hoax or so its practising members. A person of such a professed> > missionary zeal against astrology, do you hope {in this life time}> that> > he would be changing his views and withdraw his possibly first book> > published by him, with another supporting astrology ??> >> > I had in past written extensively in various about> changing> > faces of western psychology or philosophy or parapsychology...etc...,> > all finally veering around and concluding with what our Hindu> scriptures> > have long said. Their learning curve is parabole, while our is> > hyperbole !!> >> > Surely, we are NOT here to make our astro_points in order to reinforce> > or

bring belief in a person who is on a missionary zeal ??> >> > My personal experience is that people tend to change only when they> have> > "close encounters" with death, till then, they are energised by their> > own mental outlook.> >> > Let us not waste our energies on such people, for whom any amount of> > proof would NOT be sufficient.> >> > With regards,> >> > Sreeram_Srinivas> >> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now.

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Hare ramakrishna

dear vijay ji

 

i asked him directly ,but he refuced to giv details and even if he may giv i cant take it as without confirming it .

 

As those days he was over enthisuastic to prove some thing or just marketting at the cost of our toiled knowledge .

 

so let us hope he may hav changed by now

 

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah

, Vijayanarasimha H Pakka <hpvijaynarasimha wrote:>> Dear Shreenadhji, > > How about studying this person's chart. We will get an interesting case for our databank, provided he gives us his "correct" DOB.> > Regards,> Vijay.>

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Dear Sunilji,this guy seems to be totally funny to me, especially the way he has written the article. Initially I thought he might be an aiethiest who is aping the west and has immense scientific knowledge, but when you read the article its like written by a class 6th student. I laughed rolling on the floor after reading that. Poor chap, he seems to have lost his aim in life and hence resorted to writing such funny books. Lets take his emails in a light sense and enjoy his "jokes", that will keep us entertained for a while. LOL.Regards,Vijay.sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala wrote: Hare ramakrishna dear vijay ji i asked him directly ,but he refuced to giv details and even if he may giv i cant take it as without confirming it . As those days he was over enthisuastic to prove some thing or just marketting at the cost of our toiled knowledge . so let us hope he may hav changed by now regrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah --- In

, Vijayanarasimha H Pakka <hpvijaynarasimha wrote:>> Dear Shreenadhji, > > How about studying this person's chart. We will get an interesting case for our databank, provided he gives us his "correct" DOB.> > Regards,> Vijay.>

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hare rama krishna

dear vijay ji .

 

yes he was trying to cut the feet to suit his shoes .

 

I tried to reason with him in vain and he want me to go and study and answer him and what he will do is just enjoy my posts while relaxing in his home .

Or he will say astrologers are fooling public .

 

 

he expects a reserch scholar for a peon job ,so he is not ready to giv relaxation t o any one . if i dont know old water devining technics(koopa prshan) he will say i am cheating tho there is no takers for it .

 

Also he is ready to giv all relaxation to greek or chinese or western ppl

he informed me that randy foundation will be concting me

 

but after 6 months they hav not yet concted me

 

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah

 

, Vijayanarasimha H Pakka <hpvijaynarasimha wrote:>> Dear Sunilji,> > this guy seems to be totally funny to me, especially the way he has written the article. Initially I thought he might be an aiethiest who is aping the west and has immense scientific knowledge, but when you read the article its like written by a class 6th student. I laughed rolling on the floor after reading that. Poor chap, he seems to have lost his aim in life and hence resorted to writing such funny books. Lets take his emails in a light sense and enjoy his "jokes", that will keep us entertained for a while. LOL.> > Regards,> Vijay.>

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Dear Shri sreenadhji, SS, and others,

namaskar,

Sanat kumar elicited some very strong reactions from some of the

members. Sreenadh ji provided with a link which has article written

by him. this amply proves that writer has neither command over enlish

nor is able to put forward his logic convincingly to disprove

astrology. SS and Sreenadhji has also thrown some light on his

behavior in other .

 

However, some of the strong ractions in this group were coming

forward due to direct assault by the person on astrology. If we

beleive in astrology, which most of us do, then such attempts by

people like sanat kumar, will not be leaving any impact. but we

should not be swayed by criticism of astrology. Strong words or

language should not be used in this group, which otherwise contain

some knowledgeable and mature people.

 

I can understand reactions on his malacious attempts to market him

self. Correctly, he was denounced.

 

I am of the opinion that such persons should be barred from groups

who can only spread negativity, and can not contribute to the cause

of group.

 

Regards,

sanjeev

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Dear Members,

 

Shall we move on ?

 

Regards

 

Chakraborty

 

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Dear Vijay ji,

==>2. Valmiki used our system of astrology, hence when deducing where the planets were, we should use related astrological software such as Jhora, right? And when we use Jhora for 10th Jan, 5114, saturn is not in libra.<== * Valmiki used Tropical astrology and NOT Nirayana astrology (i.e. our system of astrology) * Even full verison of JHora is not an accurate software to use when we are trying to calculate the exact planetary positions as far back periods such as BC 5000+ JHora gives moderatly accurate charts for from BC 5000 ownwards periods - but don't depend on that too much. JHora is a dependable astrological software for our daily use, but not for accurate ancient astronomical planetary position verification. * When u want to verify ancient planetary positions (in an astrologically understandable manner) - go for Swiss ephimeris. URL: http://www.astro.com/swisseph/swepha_e.htmLove and regards,Sreenadh , Vijayanarasimha H Pakka <hpvijaynarasimha wrote:>> Dear Srinivasji and Shreenadhji,> > Dear Shreenadhji, belated wishes on your marriage, wish you a happy married life. > > Even I had encountered one such person who's agenda is to market his book. This guy can be tolerated as long as they respect the group and behave, but as Srinivasji perfectly said, these guys dont change their belief till they die. I have friends who secrectly consult astrologers but criticize astrology just to show off to their girlfriends that they are modern. These guys have a strong tendency to ape the west on everything. Infact even I am modern in my outlook and living style, but have tremendous respect towards our ancient culture and the gems given to us by our sages. But, these "western" guys have a notion that whoever follows astrology/yoga/visits temples arent modern enough. In UK, there has been a boom of yoga, and only after that have these hindu-bashers toned down their opposition to yoga. Now, these guys have gone silent on opposing yoga, just because the west has openly accepted yoga. Shreenadhji rightly said that we can tolerate these people as long as they> behave inside the group, but it should also be kept in mind that if we dont oppose these characters they might even write a book which would be used by politicians to whip up anti-hindu sentiments. > > I had a very interesting experience with a guy (I wont take his name) who is working in IRS and has claimed to have estimated the DOB of Lord Rama to be on 10th Jan, 5114 BC. I have argued with him in a blog, but he just wants to prove me wrong by hook or crook just to market his book. As he had already written the book, he found it very hard to digest that whatever he had written was completely wrong, even when I argued with him logically. Basically he used a planetarium software to see if the planets were in the same position as mentioned in Valmiki's Ramayana. But he is so foolish/arrogant that he isnt accepting the facts which I pointed out:> > 1. All planetarium softwares used the zodiac boundary demarcation approved by the International Astronomical Organisation in 1930. They have zodiac signs which are not there in ancient astrology. But Valmiki didnt know anything about IAO, nor was he born after 1930, right?> > 2. Valmiki used our system of astrology, hence when deducing where the planets were, we should use related astrological software such as Jhora, right? And when we use Jhora for 10th Jan, 5114, saturn is not in libra.> > 3. Even if we take his planetarium software, I showed him with clear calculations that there is not a time on 10th jan 5114 BC when, punarvasu 4th pada and kataka lagna match. But he still doesnt buy that mathematical argument.> > 4. There can be numerous other dates thousands of years ago, wherein the planets would have come in exactly same position, but he some how is fixed on 5000 BC, just to prove the western theory of Aryan Invansion.> > 5. The final argument was awesome: When asked by many people as to 5000 BC isnt treta yuga, but Ramayan occured in treta yuga, his argument was that the yuga definition that we have been using is completely wrong, and yuga actually consists of 1200 years, and infact we are presently in dwapara yuga. > > Such arguments first made be boil, but later I realized that no matter how perfect you argue, these fools dont change. He too was claiming that astrology and astronomy were different and that he doesnt believe astrology (I pointed to him that vasishta muni used the planetary positions and predicted Lord Rama's future, but he didnt respond to that). He believes in aping the west where they respect astronomy but call astrology as rubbish. They dont know that most of the astronomical details were already mentioned by our sages (like earth is round, it rotates round the sun, etc) but, they believe only when Galileo says so. Infact people are now unearthing that speed of light, distance between planets and sun, etc were perfectly calculated by sages long back. I even asked for a pdf copy of his book, but expectedly he asked me to buy it. Infact whenever someone asked his some complicated questions, he used to first ridicule them, then bash them up, then finally ask them to read> his book (of course only after buying them). The only aim of these guys is to sell their stupid books and become famous. They also know the secret that astrology-bashing would lead them to making some quick bucks as most of our idiotic "modern" citizens like such books. > > Hence we can just take some fun out of this guy, as we need some entertainment from serious topics, but if he crosses limits he should be kicked with some harsh words.> > Regards,> Vijay.> > Sreenadh sreesog wrote: > Dear Srinivas ji,> I already know this Sanat from various as -> * An bogus person interested only in the missionary action of marketing his book and doing astrology bashing.> * A man with very limited knowledge writing numerous pages without content. > * As his mails usually reflects he lacks the basic sincerity and indulge in a proper and in-depth study - usually he is simply journalistic and superfluous. > Since all these are known facts - it is ok; don't worry. :=) His book costs Rs.870/- and this stupid fellow who is this much interested in astro bashing, is NOT READY to provide a pdf copy of the book to anyone for free - but instead only interested in marketing and selling it for cash. All the words and group search and controversies he create seems to be just for the sake of advertisement of his first book. Poor man! But this atheist without sincerity usually projects himself as "an astrologer with 25+ years of experience" in an effort to sell his book using all the false propaganda!! > Thus there is nothing to worry - we are dealing with a known persona - and as long a not a nuisance we can bear with it. The point is we shouldn't be much bothered about the behavior of the people outside this group - but only here. Even if people do group bashing or astro bashing outside, if they are behaving constructively for the group discussions and is providing sufficient knowledge input (like Kaul ji) we can bear with them even if they are arguing AGAINST astrology. But if it turns out to be useless controversies with numerous pages without content and 2 line comments for effortful write-ups then we can dispose it off. So don't worry.> Love and regards,> Sreenadh> > , "sreeram srinivas" sreeram64@ wrote:> >> > > > Dear Members,> > > > Let me share little background on this subject. Mr. Sanat Kumar Jain> > has published a book { Rs. 700 odd } trying to prove that astrology is> > a hoax or so its practising members. A person of such a professed> > missionary zeal against astrology, do you hope {in this life time} that> > he would be changing his views and withdraw his possibly first book> > published by him, with another supporting astrology ??> > > > I had in past written extensively in various about changing> > faces of western psychology or philosophy or parapsychology...etc..., > > all finally veering around and concluding with what our Hindu scriptures> > have long said. Their learning curve is parabole, while our is> > hyperbole !!> > > > Surely, we are NOT here to make our astro_points in order to reinforce> > or bring belief in a person who is on a missionary zeal ??> > > > My personal experience is that people tend to change only when they have> > "close encounters" with death, till then, they are energised by their> > own mental outlook.> > > > Let us not waste our energies on such people, for whom any amount of> > proof would NOT be sufficient.> > > > With regards,> > > > Sreeram_Srinivas> >> > > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now.>

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Sorry.. I was sitting at the home of Sunil ji, and was replying from

his computer; and mistakenly send the reply from his account!! :=)

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

 

, " sunil nair "

<astro_tellerkerala wrote:

>

>

> Dear Vijay ji,

>

> ==>

> 2. Valmiki used our system of astrology, hence when deducing where

the

> planets were, we should use related astrological software such as

Jhora,

> right? And when we use Jhora for 10th Jan, 5114, saturn is not in

libra.

> <==

> * Valmiki used Tropical astrology and NOT Nirayana astrology

(i.e.

> our system of astrology)

> * Even full verison of JHora is not an accurate software to

use when

> we are trying to calculate the exact planetary positions as far

back

> periods such as BC 5000+ JHora gives moderatly accurate charts for

from

> BC 5000 ownwards periods - but don't depend on that too much.

JHora is a

> dependable astrological software for our daily use, but not for

accurate

> ancient astronomical planetary position verification.

> * When u want to verify ancient planetary positions (in an

> astrologically understandable manner) - go for Swiss ephimeris.

URL:

> http://www.astro.com/swisseph/swepha_e.htm

> <http://www.astro.com/swisseph/swepha_e.htm>

> Love and regards,

> Sreenadh

>

> , Vijayanarasimha H

Pakka

> <hpvijaynarasimha@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Srinivasji and Shreenadhji,

> >

> > Dear Shreenadhji, belated wishes on your marriage, wish you a

happy

> married life.

> >

> > Even I had encountered one such person who's agenda is to market

his

> book. This guy can be tolerated as long as they respect the group

and

> behave, but as Srinivasji perfectly said, these guys dont change

their

> belief till they die. I have friends who secrectly consult

astrologers

> but criticize astrology just to show off to their girlfriends that

they

> are modern. These guys have a strong tendency to ape the west on

> everything. Infact even I am modern in my outlook and living

style, but

> have tremendous respect towards our ancient culture and the gems

given

> to us by our sages. But, these " western " guys have a notion that

whoever

> follows astrology/yoga/visits temples arent modern enough. In UK,

there

> has been a boom of yoga, and only after that have these hindu-

bashers

> toned down their opposition to yoga. Now, these guys have gone

silent on

> opposing yoga, just because the west has openly accepted yoga.

> Shreenadhji rightly said that we can tolerate these people as long

as

> they

> > behave inside the group, but it should also be kept in mind that

if we

> dont oppose these characters they might even write a book which

would be

> used by politicians to whip up anti-hindu sentiments.

> >

> > I had a very interesting experience with a guy (I wont take his

name)

> who is working in IRS and has claimed to have estimated the DOB of

Lord

> Rama to be on 10th Jan, 5114 BC. I have argued with him in a blog,

but

> he just wants to prove me wrong by hook or crook just to market his

> book. As he had already written the book, he found it very hard to

> digest that whatever he had written was completely wrong, even

when I

> argued with him logically. Basically he used a planetarium

software to

> see if the planets were in the same position as mentioned in

Valmiki's

> Ramayana. But he is so foolish/arrogant that he isnt accepting the

facts

> which I pointed out:

> >

> > 1. All planetarium softwares used the zodiac boundary demarcation

> approved by the International Astronomical Organisation in 1930.

They

> have zodiac signs which are not there in ancient astrology. But

Valmiki

> didnt know anything about IAO, nor was he born after 1930, right?

> >

> > 2. Valmiki used our system of astrology, hence when deducing

where the

> planets were, we should use related astrological software such as

Jhora,

> right? And when we use Jhora for 10th Jan, 5114, saturn is not in

libra.

> >

> > 3. Even if we take his planetarium software, I showed him with

clear

> calculations that there is not a time on 10th jan 5114 BC when,

> punarvasu 4th pada and kataka lagna match. But he still doesnt buy

that

> mathematical argument.

> >

> > 4. There can be numerous other dates thousands of years ago,

wherein

> the planets would have come in exactly same position, but he some

how is

> fixed on 5000 BC, just to prove the western theory of Aryan

Invansion.

> >

> > 5. The final argument was awesome: When asked by many people as

to

> 5000 BC isnt treta yuga, but Ramayan occured in treta yuga, his

argument

> was that the yuga definition that we have been using is completely

> wrong, and yuga actually consists of 1200 years, and infact we are

> presently in dwapara yuga.

> >

> > Such arguments first made be boil, but later I realized that no

matter

> how perfect you argue, these fools dont change. He too was

claiming that

> astrology and astronomy were different and that he doesnt believe

> astrology (I pointed to him that vasishta muni used the planetary

> positions and predicted Lord Rama's future, but he didnt respond to

> that). He believes in aping the west where they respect astronomy

but

> call astrology as rubbish. They dont know that most of the

astronomical

> details were already mentioned by our sages (like earth is round,

it

> rotates round the sun, etc) but, they believe only when Galileo

says so.

> Infact people are now unearthing that speed of light, distance

between

> planets and sun, etc were perfectly calculated by sages long back.

I

> even asked for a pdf copy of his book, but expectedly he asked me

to buy

> it. Infact whenever someone asked his some complicated questions,

he

> used to first ridicule them, then bash them up, then finally ask

them to

> read

> > his book (of course only after buying them). The only aim of

these

> guys is to sell their stupid books and become famous. They also

know the

> secret that astrology-bashing would lead them to making some quick

bucks

> as most of our idiotic " modern " citizens like such books.

> >

> > Hence we can just take some fun out of this guy, as we need some

> entertainment from serious topics, but if he crosses limits he

should be

> kicked with some harsh words.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Vijay.

> >

> > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:

> > Dear Srinivas ji,

> > I already know this Sanat from various as -

> > * An bogus person interested only in the missionary action of

> marketing his book and doing astrology bashing.

> > * A man with very limited knowledge writing numerous pages

without

> content.

> > * As his mails usually reflects he lacks the basic sincerity and

> indulge in a proper and in-depth study - usually he is simply

> journalistic and superfluous.

> > Since all these are known facts - it is ok; don't worry. :=) His

book

> costs Rs.870/- and this stupid fellow who is this much interested

in

> astro bashing, is NOT READY to provide a pdf copy of the book to

anyone

> for free - but instead only interested in marketing and selling it

for

> cash. All the words and group search and controversies he create

seems

> to be just for the sake of advertisement of his first book. Poor

man!

> But this atheist without sincerity usually projects himself as " an

> astrologer with 25+ years of experience " in an effort to sell his

book

> using all the false propaganda!!

> > Thus there is nothing to worry - we are dealing with a known

persona -

> and as long a not a nuisance we can bear with it. The point is

we

> shouldn't be much bothered about the behavior of the people

outside this

> group - but only here. Even if people do group bashing or astro

bashing

> outside, if they are behaving constructively for the group

discussions

> and is providing sufficient knowledge input (like Kaul ji) we can

bear

> with them even if they are arguing AGAINST astrology. But if it

turns

> out to be useless controversies with numerous pages without

content and

> 2 line comments for effortful write-ups then we can dispose it

off.

> So don't worry.

> > Love and regards,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > , " sreeram

srinivas "

> sreeram64@ wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Members,

> > >

> > > Let me share little background on this subject. Mr. Sanat

Kumar Jain

> > > has published a book { Rs. 700 odd } trying to prove that

astrology

> is

> > > a hoax or so its practising members. A person of such a

professed

> > > missionary zeal against astrology, do you hope {in this life

time}

> that

> > > he would be changing his views and withdraw his possibly first

book

> > > published by him, with another supporting astrology ??

> > >

> > > I had in past written extensively in various about

> changing

> > > faces of western psychology or philosophy or

> parapsychology...etc...,

> > > all finally veering around and concluding with what our Hindu

> scriptures

> > > have long said. Their learning curve is parabole, while our is

> > > hyperbole !!

> > >

> > > Surely, we are NOT here to make our astro_points in order to

> reinforce

> > > or bring belief in a person who is on a missionary zeal ??

> > >

> > > My personal experience is that people tend to change only when

they

> have

> > > " close encounters " with death, till then, they are energised by

> their

> > > own mental outlook.

> > >

> > > Let us not waste our energies on such people, for whom any

amount of

> > > proof would NOT be sufficient.

> > >

> > > With regards,

> > >

> > > Sreeram_Srinivas

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with

Mobile. Try

> it now.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Shreenadhji,

 

Thanks for correcting me, I am sorry for that mistake. Plz excuse me. I wanted

to mainly point to the fact that using planetarium softwares (where the

constellation boundaries are decided at meetings of Intl Astronomical societies)

to deduce things mentioned by people thousands of years ago is illogical. Anyway

he has totally misinterpreted many slokas to deduce further dates in Lord Rama's

lifetime, such as: there are slokas which use similis to compare the events to

planetary characteristics such as: as dark as rahu eclipsing sun, as red as

mars, etc, which Valmiki Muni has written for poetic glorification, but he takes

them on face value and tries to estimate when such eclipses occurred. This is so

irrational. Anyway, he is so happy about his book that he is unable to hear any

arguments against his work.

 

Anyway, thnx for pointing to the swiss ephemeris URL, I shall use them for dates

in BC, but at first glance I saw dates only upto 3499 BC. I believed till now

that the basis of JHora software was swiss ephemeris, thnx for mentioning that

JHora may be inaccurate for dates in BC. But as Saturn's movement is slow,

atleast this inaccuracy might not matter much. Anyway, talking about this person

has lead to getting some very useful information from you, thanks Shreenadhji.

 

Also its nice to know you and Sunilji are friends not only in the virtual world

but also in the real world. I would love to meet up with you both and also some

of the other members of this group.

 

Regards,

Vijay.

 

 

 

sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala wrote:

Sorry.. I was sitting at the home of Sunil ji, and was replying from

his computer; and mistakenly send the reply from his account!! :=)

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

 

, " sunil nair "

<astro_tellerkerala wrote:

>

>

> Dear Vijay ji,

>

> ==>

> 2. Valmiki used our system of astrology, hence when deducing where

the

> planets were, we should use related astrological software such as

Jhora,

> right? And when we use Jhora for 10th Jan, 5114, saturn is not in

libra.

> <==

> * Valmiki used Tropical astrology and NOT Nirayana astrology

(i.e.

> our system of astrology)

> * Even full verison of JHora is not an accurate software to

use when

> we are trying to calculate the exact planetary positions as far

back

> periods such as BC 5000+ JHora gives moderatly accurate charts for

from

> BC 5000 ownwards periods - but don't depend on that too much.

JHora is a

> dependable astrological software for our daily use, but not for

accurate

> ancient astronomical planetary position verification.

> * When u want to verify ancient planetary positions (in an

> astrologically understandable manner) - go for Swiss ephimeris.

URL:

> http://www.astro.com/swisseph/swepha_e.htm

> <http://www.astro.com/swisseph/swepha_e.htm>

> Love and regards,

> Sreenadh

>