[hc] Fwd: some more on MAYA -2

[Guest guest]

hinducivilization , " Avtar Krishen Kaul "

<jyotirved wrote:

 

Dr. Anand M. Sharanji,

Namaskar!

<Possibly, these arise because he does not appear to be a lawyer or a

researcher ( I do not want to say that he has not studied the Hindu

religion or Sanskrit or Scriptures ) but has NOT mastered the art of

proving things. The result is that he presents the issues in a very

diffuse form.>

 

It is a fact that I am neither a scholar nor a scientist, least of

all a lawyer! I am just a learner keeping my views before everybody

who cares to listen! In fact, it is just a brain-storming exercise

and I have learnt a lot from the same, irrespective of the fact

whether the readers/respondents have learnt anything from my

posts/articles etc. or they have deliberately evaded the issue!

 

The summary of my journey is as follows:

 

1. To start with I was an ardent believer in Grahalaghava and then

Lahiri Rashichakra and Lahiri phalit-jyotish because everybody

believed in them! I also celebrated Lahiri festivals since the

Rashtriya panchanga and even Benaras Hindu University were asking us

to do so! How could such authorities be wrong, after all!

 

2. However, the Report of the Saha Calendar Reform Committee pointed

out that our ancestors were celebrating their festivals not as per

Grahalaghava etc. Rashichakra but as per Sayana Rashichakra i.e.

Vishuva (Spring Equinox) was another name of Mesha Sankranti-cum-

Vaishakha Sankranti and so on according to our ancestors.

Accordingly, those ancestors were supposed to have named Spring

Equinox as Vedic Mesha, though, as we shall see, there are no rashis

in the Vedas!!! You can witness this fact (of Vedic Sayana Mesha

etc. Rashis from the Rashtirya Panchanga even today!

 

The same thing was confirmed by S B Dikshit in his magnum

opus " Bharaitya Jyotisha " and several other scholars---

that there were no nirayana rashis in olden times! Dikshit had even

been publishing his own sayana panchanga with sayana rashis as the

real Mesha Sankrntis etc. He had also clubbed Ashvini etc.

nakshatras with those Sayana Rashis! After reading all those books

and papers,I pleaded for the same through my panchangas and various

articles and posts and papers etc. etc. that we must follow a

Sayana Rashichakra and also club Ashvini etc. nakshatras with Sayana

Mesha Sankranti for predcitve astrology as well as our festivals!

 

3. To my surprise, on a scrutiny of all the Vedas etc., I found

that as pointed out by Diskhit and CRC Report and innumerable other

scholars, there were no Mesha etc. Rashis in the Vedas, the Vedanga

Jyotisha, the Pitamaha Sidhanta etc. Surprisingly, the nakshatra-

chakra started in the Vedas and the Vedanga Jyotisha etc. from

Krittika instead of Ashvini etc.

Similarly, there is no metnion of much dreaded Mangal, Shani etc.

planets there! These (Mesha etc. rashis and Mangal, Shani etc.

planets) were mentioned for the first time in the Surya Sidhanta of

the Panchasidhantika!

Vishnu Purana, Bhagavata, Devi Purana, Shiva Purana,

Vishnudharmotarapurana etc. etc also have said that Utttarayana

(Winter Solstice) is a synonym of Makar Rashi and so on but

surprisingly all these puranas also, wherever any nakshatras have

been mentioned, started nakshatra-chakra from Krittika!

 

It was thus a double jeopardy! There could not have been any

predctive gimmicks---at least no rashi based predictive gimmicks---

in the Vedic period since there were no Mesha etc. Rashis nor

Mangal,Shani etc. planets there! The calendar followed by the Vedic

Rishis was based on Madhu, Madhava etc. months and Uttarayana,

Dakshinayana etc. phenomena though the nakshatras started from

krittika!

 

4. I had thus to study all the prominent sidhantas also! To my

surprise, as against the hue and cry of ayanamsha by " Vedic

jyotishis " on the basis of sidhantas, none of the sidhantas knew

anything about precession! This has been confiremd by Alberuni in

his " India " . It was sheer folly and fraud on the part of the Surya

Sidhanta to advise us to club Mesha Sankranti with Vishuva (Vernal

Equinox) and simultaneously with Ashvini nakshatra even at the

beginning of the so called Satya-yuga and then last of all

Kaliyuga! This very fraud is still continuing!

 

<Now, let us take the issue of Hindu Calendar Reform which appears to

be his primary issue unless his attack on Jyotishis is primary. The

third issue which has come out from his attacks on the Jyotishis is

his belief of lack of astronomical knowledge of our ancestors which

people in other parts of the world had -in comparable times.>

 

 

5. My position as on date is that we have to select either of the

two i.e. either rashis---whether nirayana or sayana---or refroming

our calendar because if we select the so called sayana rashis, we

cannot club Ashvini etc. nakshatras with them ---as was done by S.

B. Dikshit a couple of centuries back and as is being by some " semi-

sayana-Vedic-jytosihsis " of today like " Sayana overseas tapasvini "

and a " General Secretary " of a so called " Akhila Bharatiya Panchanga

Sudhara Samiti " !

And if we select the so called nirayana rashis, whether Lahiri or

Raman or Muladhara or Fagan etc. etc., we cannot club Madhu,

Maadhava etc. months with them! AND SINCE PHALIT JYOTISH OF ANY

TYPE---WHETHER SAYANA OR NIRAYANA---CANNOT SURVIVE WITHOUT RASHIS,

IT MEANS WE HAVE TO GET RID OF PHALIT JYOTISH COMPLETELY, (WHICH WAS

THRUST ON US BY GRECHO-CHALDEAN " SCHOLARS " ) if we want to streamline

our calendars!

 

6. These are my findings as on date and accordingly there could be

no predictive gimmicks either in the Mahabharata or the Ramayana

since our Rishis like Vedavyasa or Valmiki etc. could never have

clubbed Ashvini etc. nakshatras with sayana rashis nor Madhu,

Madhava etc. months with nirayana rashis!

 

Since there is absoultely no possibility of any sidahntakara, prior

to Munjala of tenth centruy, knowing anything about precession, the

ayanamsha myth also has come into existence only after Munjala's

Laghu-Manasa JUST TO JUSTIFY, BY HOOK OR BY CROOK, THE MONSTROUS AND

ABSOLUTELY WRONG PLANETARY DATA OF THE SURYA SIDHANTA BY MAYA THE

MLECHHA!

 

<By his vehement criticisms of things, he has brought new knowledge

to us which are very difficult to get otherwise.>

 

I am glad that my studies have been of any use to some members. But

any " new knowledge " is meaningless unless put to use practically!

 

<If he wants a reform of Hindu Calendar then he has to bring it one

by one, and also listen to what others are saying and not ignore

them (as he does ) when presenting his arguments>

 

I have just explained that initially I was also following nirayana

and then later sayana rashis and clubbing both of them with Ashvini

etc. nakshatras! The incompatibility of Sayana rashis with

nakshatras was pointed out by Shri Paul Kekai Manansala in

Indiaarchaeoloogy forum! He had said that when our Vedic Rishis

talked of nakshatras, they were not talking of imaginary nakshatras

of the so called sayana rashis but of the real group of stars of

that name! Mr. Manansala's pointing out such a monstrosity of

juxtaposing ashivini etc. nakshatras with the sayana rashis was a

turning point for me! It became crystal clear to me as to why the

efforts of reformists of Hindu calendars like Dikshit and even Saha

Calendar Reform Committee etc. over the last at least two centuries

had not met with success! All of them had placed their fingers on

the disease by discarding the so called nirayana rashi-chakra for

festivals but then they committed the folly of clubbing Ashvini etc.

nakshatras with the same i.e. Sayana rashis! Thus the treatment wss

wrose than the disease! IN OTHER WRODS, WE HAVE TO DISCARD BOTH THE

TYPES OF RASHICHAKRAS!

 

I must put on record that I have deliberately chosen this thankless

and onerous task of reforming the calendar even at the cost of going

against the tide since I know that none of the scholars wants to

touch such unpleasant topics and displease the so called custodians

of dharma who are actually cowards and ignorant of the frauds that

are being committed on the unsuspecting Hindu community! It could

also be a possibility that those " dharmacharyas " themselves are

absolutely clueless about such frauds but they are hypnotized by

phalit-jyotish since maybe they are themselves dependent on

jhytosihis, instead of their tapasya, for knowing their own

bhavishya! This is substantiated by the unpleasant fact that

these " dharmachayas " are the ones who preisde on ceremonies

where " Varahamihira " or " Abhianva-Parashara " awards/titles are being

given to " Vedic astrologers " !

I was myself given a Nostrodums Award for correct predictions by a

renowened Jagaguru way back in 1993 for correct predictions through

Secondary Progressions and Tropical signs --- a complete Western

system---Grecho-Chaldean one -- which I was following then under

the confusion that that was the real " Vedic astrology " , when

actually there are no predictive gimmicks in the Vedas or even in

the Puranas!

With regards,

Avtar Krishen Kaul

hinducivilization , " amsharanx "

<amsharanx@> wrote:

>

>

>

> >

> > There is hardly any post from HinduCalendar forum that has been

> > forwarded to this forum, though actually I feel personally that

> > streamlining the Vedic calendar should be the moral duty of

every

> > Hindu! But maybe nobody wants to touch that thankless task even

> > with a barge pole! On the other hand, most of the scholars just

> > want to prove the accuracy/veracity of their presumed dates of

the

> > Mahabharata war or the date of birth of Bhagwan Ram etc. etc.,

which

> > range, according to them, from 1000 BC to 7600 BC whereas it is

> > said that the Ramasetu is about 1.7 million years old!

>

>

> I think Shree Kauljee mixes things up, and does not state things in

> brief and with clarity - that is why things go - on and on. He does

> not separate things or issues - this also causes another problem.

>

> Possibly, these arise because he does not appear to be a lawyer or

a

> researcher ( I do not want to say that he has not studied the Hindu

> religion or Sanskrit or Scriptures ) but has NOT mastered the art

of

> proving things. The result is that he presents the issues in a very

> diffuse form.

>

> Now, let us take the issue of Hindu Calendar Reform which appears

to

> be his primary issue unless his attack on Jyotishis is primary. The

> third issue which has come out from his attacks on the Jyotishis

is –

> his belief of lack of astronomical knowledge of our ancestors which

> people in other parts of the world had -in comparable times.

>

> Over all, I find his concepts mind boggling. In spite of being a

very

> learned person - his ideas are not going any where.

>

> By his vehement criticisms of things, he has brought new knowledge

to

> us which are very difficult to get otherwise.

>

> If he wants a reform of Hindu Calendar then he has to bring it one

by

> one, and also listen to what others are saying and not ignore them

(

> as he does ) when presenting his arguments.

>

> Thanks.

>

> Anand M. Sharan

>

 

--- End forwarded message ---