Guest guest Posted October 20, 2007 Report Share Posted October 20, 2007 Dear Sarman ji, You are right in pointing to the quote - I have prepared a pdf document containing those slokas and the same is now available in the files section of the group. The URL is: Sreenadh/ Birth%20of%20Rama%20and%20brothers.pdf ==> > In Yaaga the Brahmans doesn't kill the sacrificial animal, they > simbolically perform the killing action and rest is done by the > attendaants. <== It is not that the Brhmins did or someone else - the point i - in Aswamedha Yaga always the sacrificial horse was killed - it is not symbolical but a real fact existed in the past. There is an ancient sankrit sloka which states - Yoope badhva Pasoon hatwa ya kuryardrata kardamam Tena chel prapyate swarga, Naraka kena gamyate [if those who are killing the animals by binding them to the alter goes to Heaven, then who are those send to Hell?] If this is the case, the hell must be a much better and acceptable place than the Heaven with such people.. But as you rightly mention - past is past, and we should more concentrate on useful and informative knowledge present in ancient texts. I totally agree with it - and actually it was the same we started - i.e. to discuss the astrology present in Valmiki Ramayana. The reference to Aswamedha was just a contextual reference. You can find the complete discussion on the above mentioned pdf document. ==> > My opinion is leave those matters in the book itself and learn the > values prescribed by those fictional/real characters. <== Yeh, As far as the values depicted by the characters in the book is in tune with the rhythm of your own consciousness - the above statement is acceptable. Thanks for the reference on Vapa and other references. Love, Sreenadh , " Sarman ANS " <vsarman wrote: > > Dear Sreenadh, > > > Quote ====> > > without morel who should be trotured. But note that the caste > > brahmins and caste Kshetriya people who were boasting of their > > culture were following stupid fertility rituals like - the prime wife > > of King making sex with (doing intercourse with) the sacrifical horse > > (which would be slayed later) in Aswamedha, cooking the testacies of > > the horse and the queens inhaling the smoke from it when the same is > > put in fire, due to the superstition that the same will give children > > and so on. Valmiki Ramayana tells us that even Kausalya the mother of > > Rama followed all these rituals such as sleeping with animal and so > > on. > > If we think that the available ramana is a corrupted (by fanatic > > caste brahmins) version of an ancient actual event which took place > > in the post, then your conclusion such as " may be they are trying to > > shadow the contribution of dravidians to the great lord himself to > > destroy ravana " could be right. > <======== > > I went through Valmiki Ramayana given in the > site.http://www.valmikiramayan.net/bala/sarga14/bala_14_frame.htm. The > context you are referring to, If I am not mistaken, is 1-14-34 to > 1-14-40. From this what I could make out was that. > > 1. " Queen Kausalya desiring the results of ritual disconcertedly > resided one night with that horse that flew away like a bird. > [1-14-34] " and it was a dead horse!. Please refer to Sloka 1-14-33 > " With great delight coming on her Queen Kausalya reverently made > circumambulations to the horse, and symbolically killed the horse with > three knives. [1-14-33] " . In Yaaga the Brahmans doesn't kill the > sacrificial animal, they simbolically perform the killing action and > rest is done by the attendaants. > > 2. And it was not Testicles which was cooked! It is called Vapaa. > Sloka 1-14-36 & 1-14-37. To know about Yaga, this site may be useful. > http://www.namboothiri.com/articles/yajnam.htm & to know about Vapa > http://www.namboothiri.com/articles/paswaalambhanam.htm. > > Dear Sreenadh, May I know from where you got the above said quoted > information. I would like to keep myself updated. > > I have heard Sloka 1-14-35 is also interpreted in a different way. > > My opinion is leave those matters in the book itself and learn the > values prescribed by those fictional/real characters. In real life too > some characters gain larger than life image (e.g. Munnabhai) and it > even sits over the original actor who played the character. There are > many similar examples! > > > With warm regards, > Sarman > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2007 Report Share Posted October 20, 2007 Hello Dears, Are we still going to follow the law of Moses!!! A tooth for a tooth, an eye for an eye et.,. No! not at all!!! We are going by the modern laws,hence, we should not even waste time digging up the past rules and regulations , take what is of the present times, the need of the day, this way , no arguments prop up. Simple common sense, prevails when we are applying todays rules and regulations, much amendments are found even in the very constitution of India. We need not take the literal meanings, we are now in the year 2007:We are to be regulate the up dates and modern systems etc,. what is in the religious books are there to stay, no one can make changes, but we can made the most of todays world with the present civilization and all. Eg, if one should slap you on the right cheek, show the other cheek if told, but when the same one slaps you on both the cheeks, then nothing is revealed!!! So if this should happen to me, then I will not just stand there like a fool after getting two slaps one on each of my cheek, I will be sure to remove the whole set of the striker's teeth and make sure his hand won't work again. This is called self protection!!!!! not dumb performance of a human act of goodness etc,., Please let us carry on with more interesting and deeper knowledge which modern days youth can use ,today with our experiences and knowledge of the past ,modified where ever it can be done. Cheers, and have a great weekend, Barbara. , " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote: > > Dear Sarman ji, > You are right in pointing to the quote - I have prepared a pdf > document containing those slokas and the same is now available in the > files section of the group. The URL is: > Sreenadh/ Birth%20of%20Rama%20and%20brothers.pdf > > ==> > > In Yaaga the Brahmans doesn't kill the sacrificial animal, they > > simbolically perform the killing action and rest is done by the > > attendaants. > <== > It is not that the Brhmins did or someone else - the point i - in > Aswamedha Yaga always the sacrificial horse was killed - it is not > symbolical but a real fact existed in the past. There is an ancient > sankrit sloka which states - > Yoope badhva Pasoon hatwa ya kuryardrata kardamam > Tena chel prapyate swarga, Naraka kena gamyate > [if those who are killing the animals by binding them to the alter > goes to Heaven, then who are those send to Hell?] If this is the case, > the hell must be a much better and acceptable place than the Heaven > with such people.. > But as you rightly mention - past is past, and we should more > concentrate on useful and informative knowledge present in ancient > texts. I totally agree with it - and actually it was the same we > started - i.e. to discuss the astrology present in Valmiki Ramayana. > The reference to Aswamedha was just a contextual reference. You can > find the complete discussion on the above mentioned pdf document. > ==> > > My opinion is leave those matters in the book itself and learn the > > values prescribed by those fictional/real characters. > <== > Yeh, As far as the values depicted by the characters in the book is > in tune with the rhythm of your own consciousness - the above > statement is acceptable. > Thanks for the reference on Vapa and other references. > Love, > Sreenadh > > , " Sarman ANS " > <vsarman@> wrote: > > > > Dear Sreenadh, > > > > > > Quote ====> > > > without morel who should be trotured. But note that the caste > > > brahmins and caste Kshetriya people who were boasting of their > > > culture were following stupid fertility rituals like - the prime wife > > > of King making sex with (doing intercourse with) the sacrifical horse > > > (which would be slayed later) in Aswamedha, cooking the testacies of > > > the horse and the queens inhaling the smoke from it when the same is > > > put in fire, due to the superstition that the same will give children > > > and so on. Valmiki Ramayana tells us that even Kausalya the mother of > > > Rama followed all these rituals such as sleeping with animal and so > > > on. > > > If we think that the available ramana is a corrupted (by fanatic > > > caste brahmins) version of an ancient actual event which took place > > > in the post, then your conclusion such as " may be they are trying to > > > shadow the contribution of dravidians to the great lord himself to > > > destroy ravana " could be right. > > <======== > > > > I went through Valmiki Ramayana given in the > > site.http://www.valmikiramayan.net/bala/sarga14/bala_14_frame.htm. The > > context you are referring to, If I am not mistaken, is 1-14-34 to > > 1-14-40. From this what I could make out was that. > > > > 1. " Queen Kausalya desiring the results of ritual disconcertedly > > resided one night with that horse that flew away like a bird. > > [1-14-34] " and it was a dead horse!. Please refer to Sloka 1-14-33 > > " With great delight coming on her Queen Kausalya reverently made > > circumambulations to the horse, and symbolically killed the horse with > > three knives. [1-14-33] " . In Yaaga the Brahmans doesn't kill the > > sacrificial animal, they simbolically perform the killing action and > > rest is done by the attendaants. > > > > 2. And it was not Testicles which was cooked! It is called Vapaa. > > Sloka 1-14-36 & 1-14-37. To know about Yaga, this site may be useful. > > http://www.namboothiri.com/articles/yajnam.htm & to know about Vapa > > http://www.namboothiri.com/articles/paswaalambhanam.htm. > > > > Dear Sreenadh, May I know from where you got the above said quoted > > information. I would like to keep myself updated. > > > > I have heard Sloka 1-14-35 is also interpreted in a different way. > > > > My opinion is leave those matters in the book itself and learn the > > values prescribed by those fictional/real characters. In real life too > > some characters gain larger than life image (e.g. Munnabhai) and it > > even sits over the original actor who played the character. There are > > many similar examples! > > > > > > With warm regards, > > Sarman > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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