11th Lord - Natural Malific?!

June 1, 2006

Dear Pandit ji, Even if it is considered that 11th lord could can be considered as a natural malific, no texts in Arsha school or Jain school supports it, and thus it becomes a concept provided by Parasara or the followers of his system. There also its use is limited to Vimsottari Nakshatra Desa since the rule is described in the text Ududaya Pradeepam. I don't think any body (including Parasara) permits us to consider 11th lord as a natural malific in all circumstances. Even if the statement is worthy it is applicable only for Vimsottari dasa system, I feel. That is the only context in which the rule is mentioned, and we are not supposed to forget the context while following rules. Thus it turns out that 11th lord is NOT a natural malific even in the eyes of Parasara (or his follower?) EXCEPT in the context of Vimsottari dasa. In the eyes of all other Rishis 11th lord is a benefic, and they are not using the

Vimsottari dasa system. I think we should weight things against this backgroud. P.S: Who wrote Ududaya Pradeepam? Parasara?! There is no such reference available. It should be a text of later orgins that tries to enhace the Vimsottari dasa system taught by Parasara. The 11th lord malific rule might had been his invention, not of Parasara. If there there any evidance that BPHS states the same, please let me know. Love, Sreenadh Panditji <navagraha wrote: Namaste, What your birth data ? I am not sure about occupants of 11 H. Infact I think Parashar says the 11th lord is malefic but I do not beleive he attributes any maleficence to occupants of 11th house. It will depend on

their lordships. ... On 6/1/06, kankan_73 <kankan_73 wrote: Dear Madhuji,I have a different experience so far. Being a Scorpio Lagna person, Mercury never in his antardasas troubled me. I got married during Mercury's Antardasa in LL s Dasa, passed Graduation with good marks during Mercury Antra in Moon's Dasa.You wrote about:-----The 11 L & 11H occupants> -----The 8L & 8H occupants> ------The 12L & 12H occupants> -----The 6L & 6H occupants In my chart I have got 11th, 12th and 6th Lords in their own houses(Mercury in Virgo, Venus in Libra and Mars in

Aries)Also I have many good friends who act like my elder brother/sister and helped me in various ways in my life. As I am the eldest son of my parents, I always looked for an elder brother/sister during my childhood and with God's grace, friends at different levels acted like a protecting shield for me. Is there anything related to 11th house on this. Regards,Kannan , VYASAJI <vyasatvm wrote:>> Vinita,> For the sake of convenience, I may write FM, MMP etc. Actually I don't consider any planet to be fully benefic or fully malefic. Yes .I consider and rate Jupiter as MMP for Taurus Ascendant ,then my rationale is totally different from that of Mr VK Chaudary's (SA

Fame).Prior to that, let me tell you onething, my approach is quite different from others. On my end, I rely on my experience as well as the experience of others, that I get as feed back rather than parroting sanskrit slokas after slokas to substantiate a point. (By this statement, I am not attempting for reductio ad absurdum of the teachings of the Seers). I consider the text books (or Rule books) bequeathed to us by ancient masters as mere "Guides" and not anything more than that.I am also convinced more than in Sanskrit , a privilage of few scholars coming from the upper strata of the society , it is in Tamil, the language of common man, treasure house of Jyotish knowledge is kept (Time has> devoured almost all works in Tamil , with the owners of parachment/palmyra writings, blissfully ignorant of treasure house of knowledge in their

possession , which they refuses to part even if it is moth-eaten , with a sizeable population getting converted at a fast pace ; and for whom it has become mandatory to show allegiance/, loyalty to new faith , by denouncing , their own erstwhile culture and tradition .> Now I rank the malignancy of a planet in the following manner. Priority wise> -----The 11 L & 11H occupants> -----The 8L & 8H occupants> ------The 12L & 12H occupants > -----The 6L & 6H occupants --Please do remember the 6H is simultaneously a upachayastana (Improving house) as well as a Dustana(Unfavourable House). 6th is also one of "Arthatrikona"(Trigon, 2-6- 10) . That might be one of the reasons , the sub period of a planet, well placed in 6H ,often leads to improvement in monetary

affairs.> > Years back, I too was a great admirer of 11 H & 11Lord. I know ,it is the house of gains without pains, sincere companions, fulfilment of all desires, elder co-born etc.Bychance, I had an opportunity to read a write-up of a great Western astrologer by name RC Smith , in which he was saying from his experience that 11L or 11H occupants are evil.Since RC Smith study was based on Western Astrology that depends on Tropical Zodiac, where there is no Dasha system,I never got an opportunity to test his findings.In 1997, prior to his death, the outstanding Scholar in Jyotish, Sri R Santhanam, based on a thread of BPHS, wrote an article in TOA, captioned "Best and the Worst of 11House . Santhanam, in one of his letter asked me to test this aphorism in as many cases as possible that passes through my hand.From then onwards , I am observing the

interesting role played by 11L and 11H occupants.In my studies I note though the intensity of this aphorism vary according to different> Ascendant , in the case if Scorpio Ascendant , this finding, works like a Gospel Truth. Even if Mercury is well placed in an angle / trine, for Scorpio born , invariably it will bring untold sufferings to the native in its Dasha or sub period. I am yet to come across a chart ,with Scorpio rising, the Dasha or Sub period of Mercury has gone without registering some unpleasant event in the life of the native.> Both R C Smith and R Santhanam found 11L & 11H occupants giving disease, debts, litigations, quarells etc, the reason is 11th is 6th counted from 6H of disease, debts, sorrows, quarell . Don't forget 11H is also the house of recovery from disease. .The point is, along with some tangible gains ,the 11L & 11H

occupants, invariably bring sorrow, debts, litigation , quarell etc, the exact event depends on the individual nativity. > The rest in next instalment> Madhu N Nair > > VYASAJI <vyasatvm wrote:> Vinitha,> For the 1 & 2 nd query I will answer in this mail whereas the 3rd one requires a little bit description and for that I will post a seperate message.> (1)Ofcourse, the nature of the sign counts, but still more importance is the lordship of Mars for Taurus Ascending. Let us remember that MT sign of Mars falls in 12H of loss. The element"Loss"(In relations) is more precipitated , when Mars occupies Scorpio for Taurus Ascendant.I am yet to form a final opinion in this matter, but I have repeatedly seen in my studies , Mars in Scorpio for Taurus Ascendant, leading to

estrangement .> (2) Need not necessarily.What we see in actual experience is , when one runs the sub period of Saturn (For Taurus Ascendant) one may get promotion (10th Lordship)in job with transfer(9th lordship) .Parents death coinciding with job securing period. ( !0 is 2nd from 9 & hence a maraka for father and 7 from 4th , hence a maraka for Mother) Sale & purchase of vehicles/ properties etc , simultaneously (9 for purchase , 10 for sale) , overseas journey for employment/training etc the list illustrative. Ofcourse it goes without saying Saturn need to be well placed from the Ascendant to reap beneficial results. > > Madhu N Nair > > vinita kumar <shankar_mamta wrote:> Dear Vyasaji and friends,> > Namaskar!> > Actually i have a whole lot of questions on

Taurus Lagna but at the > moment i will confine myself to just the following:> > 1. Do u think that just because of the basic nature of the Scorpio > sign in 7th relationships would suffer (even if Mars is not there)? > > 2. Do u think that because badhak Saturn rules the 9th and 10 houses > there is a struggle involved there as well?> > 3. Do u think Jupiter is the most malefic planet for Taurus Lagna > being lord of 2nd and 11th?> > 4. Do u think that Venus even though it is Lagnesh is not that great > for the Lagna being ruler of 6th?> > 5. Do u think this Lagna has a special affinity to Mercury ruled > Lagnas....going by Vyasa relationships?> > I'll stop here. > > Will be extremely grateful for your responses.> > Regards,> > Vinita> > , VYASAJI > <vyasatvm@> wrote:> > > > Sreenadh & Friends,> > While match making (Compatibility) is done by Keralite > Astrologers, they use to outrightly reject the concept of Kuja or > Chowa Dosha, if Mars occupies 7th Rasi Scorpio, saying it is Mar's > own sign , hence there is no blemish. However, in several charts it > is repeatedly seen, Mars in 7th sign Scorpio leading to seperation > (Legal or otherwise) at some stage of life.> > Madhu N Nair > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:> > Dear All,> > Shall we think about Tarus Lagna? What are the things you know > about > > this Lagna? How would be that person? >

> Love,> > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > > > > >

June 1, 2006

Namaste,

What I said was true only for Vimshottari dasha and that too only for dasha analysis. So for Kumbha lagna, Guru dasha becomes malefic, but guru himself in a static analysis is a natural benefic, and it is so all the time. This is the crux of jyotish and vimshottari dasha that people miss.

One has to do a static analysis first, and then apply dynamic model, i.e. dasha.

So in the kumbha lagna chart lets say that 5th lord is with guru, it adds benefic influence to the 5th house, but guru mahadasha or anter dasha is not benefic. Also let us not forget the chart read from chandra as well.

It is better to get a example chart and go through dasha analysis. Laghu parashari is also worth discussing and it gives lots of finer points and people just do not apply.

Then there is SA appraoch that has no classical foundation, In that system 11th lord is considered very benefic, it is completely against Parashar teaching.

....

On 6/1/06, sree nadh <sreesog wrote:

Dear Pandit ji,

Even if it is considered that 11th lord could can be considered as a natural malific, no texts in Arsha school or Jain school supports it, and thus it becomes a concept provided by Parasara or the followers of his system. There also its use is limited to Vimsottari Nakshatra Desa since the rule is described in the text Ududaya Pradeepam. I don't think any body (including Parasara) permits us to consider 11th lord as a natural malific in all circumstances. Even if the statement is worthy it is applicable only for Vimsottari dasa system, I feel. That is the only context in which the rule is mentioned, and we are not supposed to forget the context while following rules. Thus it turns out that 11th lord is NOT a natural malific even in the eyes of Parasara (or his follower?) EXCEPT in the context of Vimsottari dasa. In the eyes of all other Rishis 11th lord is a benefic, and they are not using the Vimsottari dasa system. I think we should weight things against this backgroud.

P.S: Who wrote Ududaya Pradeepam? Parasara?! There is no such reference available. It should be a text of later orgins that tries to enhace the Vimsottari dasa system taught by Parasara. The 11th lord malific rule might had been his invention, not of Parasara. If there there any evidance that BPHS states the same, please let me know.

Love,

Sreenadh

Panditji <navagraha wrote:

Namaste,

What your birth data ?

I am not sure about occupants of 11 H. Infact I think Parashar says the 11th lord is malefic but I do not beleive he attributes any maleficence to occupants of 11th house. It will depend on their lordships.

....

On 6/1/06, kankan_73 <kankan_73 wrote:

Dear Madhuji,I have a different experience so far. Being a Scorpio Lagna person, Mercury never in his antardasas troubled me. I got married during Mercury's Antardasa in LL s Dasa, passed Graduation with good marks during Mercury Antra in Moon's Dasa.You wrote about:-----The 11 L & 11H occupants> -----The 8L & 8H occupants> ------The 12L & 12H occupants> -----The 6L & 6H occupants In my chart I have got 11th, 12th and 6th Lords in their own houses(Mercury in Virgo, Venus in Libra and Mars in Aries)Also I have many good friends who act like my elder brother/sister and helped me in various ways in my life. As I am the eldest son of my parents, I always looked for an elder brother/sister during my childhood and with God's grace, friends at different levels acted like a protecting shield for me. Is there anything related to 11th house on this. Regards,Kannan , VYASAJI <vyasatvm wrote:>> Vinita,> For the sake of convenience, I may write FM, MMP etc. Actually I don't consider any planet to be fully benefic or fully malefic. Yes .I consider and rate Jupiter as MMP for Taurus Ascendant ,then my rationale is totally different from that of Mr VK Chaudary's (SA Fame).Prior to that, let me tell you onething, my approach is quite different from others. On my end, I rely on my experience as well

as the experience of others, that I get as feed back rather than parroting sanskrit slokas after slokas to substantiate a point. (By this statement, I am not attempting for reductio ad absurdum of the teachings of the Seers). I consider the text books (or Rule books) bequeathed to us by ancient masters as mere " Guides " and not anything more than that.I am also convinced more than in Sanskrit , a privilage of few scholars coming from the upper strata of the

society , it is in Tamil, the language of common man, treasure house of Jyotish knowledge is kept (Time has> devoured almost all works in Tamil , with the owners of parachment/palmyra writings, blissfully ignorant of treasure house of knowledge in their possession , which they refuses to part even if it is moth-eaten , with a sizeable population getting converted at a fast pace ; and for whom it has become mandatory to show allegiance/, loyalty to new faith , by denouncing , their own erstwhile culture and tradition .> Now I rank the malignancy of a planet in the following manner. Priority wise> -----The 11 L & 11H occupants> -----The 8L & 8H occupants> ------The 12L & 12H occupants > -----The 6L & 6H occupants --Please do remember the 6H is simultaneously a upachayastana (Improving house) as well as a Dustana(Unfavourable House). 6th is also one of " Arthatrikona " (Trigon, 2-6- 10) . That might be one of the reasons , the sub period of a planet, well placed in 6H ,often leads to improvement in monetary affairs.> > Years back, I too was a great admirer of 11 H & 11Lord. I know ,it is the house of gains without pains, sincere companions, fulfilment of all desires, elder co-born etc.Bychance, I had an opportunity to read a write-up of a great Western astrologer by name RC Smith , in which he was saying from his experience that 11L or 11H occupants are evil.Since RC Smith study was based on Western Astrology that depends on Tropical Zodiac, where there is no Dasha system,I never got an opportunity to test his findings.In 1997, prior to his death, the outstanding Scholar in Jyotish, Sri R Santhanam, based on a thread of BPHS, wrote an article in TOA, captioned " Best and the Worst of 11House . Santhanam, in one of his letter asked me to test this aphorism in as many cases as possible that passes through my hand.From then onwards , I am observing the interesting role played by 11L and 11H occupants.In my studies I note though the intensity of this aphorism vary according to different> Ascendant , in the case if Scorpio Ascendant , this finding, works like a Gospel Truth. Even if Mercury is well placed in an angle / trine, for Scorpio born , invariably it will bring untold sufferings to the native in its Dasha or sub period. I am yet to come across a chart ,with Scorpio rising, the Dasha or Sub period of Mercury has gone without registering some unpleasant event in the life of the native.> Both R C Smith and R Santhanam found 11L & 11H occupants giving disease, debts, litigations, quarells etc, the reason is 11th is 6th counted from 6H of disease, debts, sorrows, quarell . Don't forget 11H is also the house of recovery from disease. .The point is, along with some tangible gains ,the 11L & 11H occupants, invariably bring sorrow, debts, litigation , quarell etc, the exact event depends on the individual nativity. > The rest in next instalment> Madhu N Nair > > VYASAJI <vyasatvm wrote:> Vinitha,> For the 1 & 2 nd query I will answer in this mail whereas the 3rd one requires a little bit description and for that I will post a seperate message.> (1)Ofcourse, the nature of the sign counts, but still more importance is the lordship of Mars for Taurus Ascending. Let us remember that MT sign of Mars falls in 12H of loss. The element " Loss " (In relations) is more precipitated , when Mars occupies Scorpio for Taurus Ascendant.I am yet to form a final opinion in this matter, but I have repeatedly seen in my studies , Mars in Scorpio for Taurus Ascendant, leading to estrangement .> (2) Need not necessarily.What we see in actual experience is , when one runs the sub period of Saturn (For Taurus Ascendant) one may get promotion (10th Lordship)in job with transfer(9th lordship) .Parents death coinciding with job securing period. ( !0 is 2nd from 9 & hence a maraka for father and 7 from 4th , hence a maraka for Mother) Sale & purchase of vehicles/ properties etc , simultaneously (9 for purchase , 10 for sale) , overseas journey for employment/training etc the list illustrative. Ofcourse it goes without saying Saturn need to be well placed from the Ascendant to reap beneficial results. > > Madhu N Nair > > vinita kumar <shankar_mamta wrote:> Dear Vyasaji and friends,> > Namaskar!> > Actually i have a whole lot of questions on Taurus Lagna but at the > moment i will confine myself to just the following:> > 1. Do u think that just because of the basic nature of the Scorpio > sign in 7th relationships would suffer (even if Mars is not there)? > > 2. Do u think that because badhak Saturn rules the 9th and 10 houses > there is a struggle involved there as well?> > 3. Do u think Jupiter is the most malefic planet for Taurus Lagna > being lord of 2nd and 11th?> > 4. Do u think that Venus even though it is Lagnesh is not that great > for the Lagna being ruler of 6th?> > 5. Do u think this Lagna has a special affinity to Mercury ruled > Lagnas....going by Vyasa relationships?> > I'll stop here. > > Will be extremely grateful for your responses.> > Regards,> > Vinita> > , VYASAJI > <vyasatvm@> wrote:> > > > Sreenadh & Friends,> > While match making (Compatibility) is done by Keralite > Astrologers, they use to outrightly reject the concept of Kuja or > Chowa Dosha, if Mars occupies 7th Rasi Scorpio, saying it is Mar's > own sign , hence there is no blemish. However, in several charts it > is repeatedly seen, Mars in 7th sign Scorpio leading to seperation > (Legal or otherwise) at some stage of life.

> > Madhu N Nair > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:> > Dear All,> > Shall we think about Tarus Lagna? What are the things you know > about > > this Lagna? How would be that person? > > Love,> > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > > > > >

June 1, 2006

Dear Pandit ji,==> > So in the kumbha lagna chart lets say that 5th lord is with guru, it adds benefic > influence to the 5th house, <== Yap, I agree, as per the mihira statement "Hora swami guru jcha veekshita yute nanyascha veeryolkada" Meaning if Ju, Sign lord (where the planet is posited), or Me is along with then the ablity of house and planets to give (especially benefic) results are amplified. So if 5th lord is with Ju, the strength (or the ability to give results) 5th lord (here Me as per your example) gets amplified. ==> > guru (vimsottari) mahadasha or anter dasha is not (generaly) benefic (since Ju is 11th lord for Aq lagna). <== Yes, it is true as per the teachings of Leghu Parasari (Udu daya pradeepam). ==> > Laghu parashari is also worth discussing and it

gives lots of finer points <== Yap, I agree. It is one of the good books (no, it is THE best book) I have seen, while using Vimsottari dasa prediction system. Yes, it is very much worth discussing. But the only thing I questioned is assigning the 11th lordship malific concept to BPHS. That is why I was asking whether there is any such reference in BPHS. Even if BPHS does not mention such things, the points Leghu parasari taughts are VALID. P. S. 1) : Laghu Parasari (While dealing with Vimsottari dasa system) 2) Bhavartha Ratnakaram (While dealing with Bhava phala) These two unique, and the result of true reasearch, and of almost unquestionable authority, I feel. It seems that the statements in these

texts comes from true teachers, "after sufficient experimentaion". Love, Sreenadh Panditji <navagraha wrote: Namaste, What I said was true only for Vimshottari dasha and that too only for dasha analysis. So for Kumbha lagna, Guru dasha becomes malefic, but guru himself in a static analysis is a natural benefic, and it is so all the time. This is the crux of jyotish and vimshottari dasha that people miss. One has to do a static analysis first, and then apply dynamic model, i.e. dasha. So in the kumbha lagna chart lets say that 5th lord is with guru, it adds benefic influence to the 5th house, but guru mahadasha or anter dasha is

not benefic. Also let us not forget the chart read from chandra as well. It is better to get a example chart and go through dasha analysis. Laghu parashari is also worth discussing and it gives lots of finer points and people just do not apply. Then there is SA appraoch that has no classical foundation, In that system 11th lord is considered very benefic, it is completely against Parashar teaching. ... On 6/1/06, sree nadh <sreesog wrote: Dear Pandit ji, Even if it is considered that 11th lord could can be considered as a natural malific, no texts in Arsha school or Jain

school supports it, and thus it becomes a concept provided by Parasara or the followers of his system. There also its use is limited to Vimsottari Nakshatra Desa since the rule is described in the text Ududaya Pradeepam. I don't think any body (including Parasara) permits us to consider 11th lord as a natural malific in all circumstances. Even if the statement is worthy it is applicable only for Vimsottari dasa system, I feel. That is the only context in which the rule is mentioned, and we are not supposed to forget the context while following rules. Thus it turns out that 11th lord is NOT a natural malific even in the eyes of Parasara (or his follower?) EXCEPT in the context of Vimsottari dasa. In the eyes of all other Rishis 11th lord is a benefic, and they are not using the Vimsottari dasa system. I think we should weight things against this backgroud. P.S: Who wrote Ududaya Pradeepam? Parasara?! There is no such

reference available. It should be a text of later orgins that tries to enhace the Vimsottari dasa system taught by Parasara. The 11th lord malific rule might had been his invention, not of Parasara. If there there any evidance that BPHS states the same, please let me know. Love, Sreenadh Panditji <navagraha wrote: Namaste, What your birth data ? I am not sure about occupants of 11 H. Infact I think Parashar says the 11th lord is malefic but I do not beleive he attributes any maleficence to occupants of 11th house. It will depend on their lordships. ... On 6/1/06, kankan_73 <kankan_73 wrote: Dear Madhuji,I have a different experience so far. Being a Scorpio Lagna person, Mercury never in his antardasas troubled me. I got married during Mercury's Antardasa in LL s Dasa, passed Graduation with good marks during Mercury Antra in Moon's Dasa.You wrote about:-----The 11 L & 11H occupants> -----The 8L & 8H occupants> ------The 12L & 12H occupants> -----The 6L & 6H occupants In my chart I have got 11th, 12th and 6th Lords in their own houses(Mercury in Virgo, Venus in Libra and Mars in Aries)Also I

have many good friends who act like my elder brother/sister and helped me in various ways in my life. As I am the eldest son of my parents, I always looked for an elder brother/sister during my childhood and with God's grace, friends at different levels acted like a protecting shield for me. Is there anything related to 11th house on this. Regards,Kannan , VYASAJI <vyasatvm wrote:>> Vinita,> For the sake of convenience, I may write FM, MMP etc. Actually I don't consider any planet to be fully benefic or fully malefic. Yes .I consider and rate Jupiter as MMP for Taurus Ascendant ,then my rationale is totally different from that of Mr VK Chaudary's (SA Fame).Prior to

that, let me tell you onething, my approach is quite different from others. On my end, I rely on my experience as well as the experience of others, that I get as feed back rather than parroting sanskrit slokas after slokas to substantiate a point. (By this statement, I am not attempting for reductio ad absurdum of the teachings of the Seers). I consider the text books (or Rule books) bequeathed to us by ancient masters as mere "Guides" and not anything more than that.I am also convinced more than in Sanskrit , a privilage of few scholars coming from the upper strata of the society , it is in Tamil, the language of common man, treasure house of Jyotish knowledge is kept (Time has> devoured almost all works in Tamil , with the owners of parachment/palmyra writings, blissfully ignorant of treasure house of knowledge in their possession , which they

refuses to part even if it is moth-eaten , with a sizeable population getting converted at a fast pace ; and for whom it has become mandatory to show allegiance/, loyalty to new faith , by denouncing , their own erstwhile culture and tradition .> Now I rank the malignancy of a planet in the following manner. Priority wise> -----The 11 L & 11H occupants> -----The 8L & 8H occupants> ------The 12L & 12H occupants > -----The 6L & 6H occupants --Please do remember the 6H is simultaneously a upachayastana (Improving house) as well as a Dustana(Unfavourable House). 6th is also one of "Arthatrikona"(Trigon, 2-6- 10) . That might be one of the reasons , the sub period of a planet, well placed in 6H ,often leads to improvement in monetary affairs.>

> Years back, I too was a great admirer of 11 H & 11Lord. I know ,it is the house of gains without pains, sincere companions, fulfilment of all desires, elder co-born etc.Bychance, I had an opportunity to read a write-up of a great Western astrologer by name RC Smith , in which he was saying from his experience that 11L or 11H occupants are evil.Since RC Smith study was based on Western Astrology that depends on Tropical Zodiac, where there is no Dasha system,I never got an opportunity to test his findings.In 1997, prior to his death, the outstanding Scholar in Jyotish, Sri R Santhanam, based on a thread of BPHS, wrote an article in TOA, captioned "Best and the Worst of 11House . Santhanam, in one of his letter asked me to test this aphorism in as many cases as possible that passes through my hand.From then onwards , I am observing the interesting role played by 11L and 11H

occupants.In my studies I note though the intensity of this aphorism vary according to different> Ascendant , in the case if Scorpio Ascendant , this finding, works like a Gospel Truth. Even if Mercury is well placed in an angle / trine, for Scorpio born , invariably it will bring untold sufferings to the native in its Dasha or sub period. I am yet to come across a chart ,with Scorpio rising, the Dasha or Sub period of Mercury has gone without registering some unpleasant event in the life of the native.> Both R C Smith and R Santhanam found 11L & 11H occupants giving disease, debts, litigations, quarells etc, the reason is 11th is 6th counted from 6H of disease, debts, sorrows, quarell . Don't forget 11H is also the house of recovery from disease. .The point is, along with some tangible gains ,the 11L & 11H occupants, invariably bring sorrow, debts,

litigation , quarell etc, the exact event depends on the individual nativity. > The rest in next instalment> Madhu N Nair > > VYASAJI <vyasatvm wrote:> Vinitha,> For the 1 & 2 nd query I will answer in this mail whereas the 3rd one requires a little bit description and for that I will post a seperate message.> (1)Ofcourse, the nature of the sign counts, but still more importance is the lordship of Mars for Taurus Ascending. Let us remember that MT sign of Mars falls in 12H of loss. The element"Loss"(In relations) is more precipitated , when Mars occupies Scorpio for Taurus Ascendant.I am yet to form a final opinion in this matter, but I have repeatedly seen in my studies , Mars in Scorpio for Taurus Ascendant, leading to estrangement .> (2) Need not

necessarily.What we see in actual experience is , when one runs the sub period of Saturn (For Taurus Ascendant) one may get promotion (10th Lordship)in job with transfer(9th lordship) .Parents death coinciding with job securing period. ( !0 is 2nd from 9 & hence a maraka for father and 7 from 4th , hence a maraka for Mother) Sale & purchase of vehicles/ properties etc , simultaneously (9 for purchase , 10 for sale) , overseas journey for employment/training etc the list illustrative. Ofcourse it goes without saying Saturn need to be well placed from the Ascendant to reap beneficial results. > > Madhu N Nair > > vinita kumar <shankar_mamta wrote:> Dear Vyasaji and friends,> > Namaskar!> > Actually i have a whole lot of questions on Taurus Lagna but at the > moment i will

confine myself to just the following:> > 1. Do u think that just because of the basic nature of the Scorpio > sign in 7th relationships would suffer (even if Mars is not there)? > > 2. Do u think that because badhak Saturn rules the 9th and 10 houses > there is a struggle involved there as well?> > 3. Do u think Jupiter is the most malefic planet for Taurus Lagna > being lord of 2nd and 11th?> > 4. Do u think that Venus even though it is Lagnesh is not that great > for the Lagna being ruler of 6th?> > 5. Do u think this Lagna has a special affinity to Mercury ruled > Lagnas....going by Vyasa relationships?> > I'll stop here. > > Will be extremely grateful for your responses.> > Regards,> > Vinita> > , VYASAJI > <vyasatvm@> wrote:> > > > Sreenadh & Friends,> > While match making (Compatibility) is done by Keralite > Astrologers, they use to outrightly reject the concept of Kuja or > Chowa Dosha, if Mars occupies 7th Rasi Scorpio, saying it is Mar's > own sign , hence there is no blemish. However, in several charts it > is repeatedly seen, Mars in 7th sign Scorpio leading to seperation > (Legal or otherwise) at some stage of life.> > Madhu N Nair > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:> > Dear All,> > Shall we think about Tarus Lagna? What are the things you know > about > > this Lagna? How would be that person? > > Love,> > Sreenadh>

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