Fwd: [HinduCalendar] [VRI] We are celebrating all our festivals on wrong days!

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hinducivilization , " Avtar Krishen Kaul "

<jyotirved wrote:

 

Dr. Anand M. Sharan ji,

Namaskar!

<Your postings are so long that it is difficult to fathom what you

want to convey ?>

 

Every post of mine is in reply to the objections that were raised by

astrologers/astronomers about there being Mesha, Vrisha etc. rashis

in the Vedas and our calendars having got tied to those very

rashis! BVB6.doc is an illustration of our folly in following the

so called nirayana rashis (which are euphemistically linked to

precession) and if you go through that with a bit of patience, I am

sure you will get an answer to all your questions, since all the

shastras and scientific evidence has been quoted as succinctly as

possible! It is virtually impossible to make any paper shorter than

or more explanatory than that!

 

Same is the case with PAC3.doc -- a letter that was sent to the

Positional Astronomy Centre, Calcutta, who are " calendar-makers " to

the nation as they are the publishers of Rashtriya Panchanga!

 

Then again, Shankra1.doc is a submission to all the six

Shankracharyas explaining to them as to how we are being taken for a

ride in the name of " Vedic astrology " and also Ayanamsha, whether

Lahiri or Raman or Shakuntala Devi! I am surprised that you have no

patience even to go through that document!

 

" Interview.doc " was hailed as one of the most scientific papers

about our calendars vis-a-vis ayanamshas galore! However, you find

that also long and cannot fathom as to what yarn I am eating!

 

All the pithy scientific statmemnts like " Newton's Laws of Motion "

or " Darwin's Theory of Evolution " etc. have had a life long research

behind them! Similarly, all the research regarding the fraud being

played on Hindus in the name of Ayanamsha and " Vedic jyotish " etc.

vis-a-vis Hindu claendars has been explained in these papers,

quoting chapter and verse of all the shastras! I am, as such,

really surprised that you find those papers very long! Do you

expect a capsule wherein all the arguments from the Vedas, the

Upanishadas, the Puranas and the sidhantas apart from Modern

astronomy can be compressed in a few sentences?

 

If you peruse Raman1.doc alone, you will find all the arguments in a

very scientific manner, but then reforming the Hindu calendars is

the last thing on anybody's mind and that is the reason as to why

people find it a thankless and even boring job, actualy an arduous

chore!

 

<I have gone through the Surya Siddhanta but

possibly not with an angle that you mention.>

 

I donot have any particular angle! Since you say that the sidhantas

talk of precession, you can very well quote the relevant shlokas

with their meanings about precession, if there are any such sholkas!

 

 

< must also point out that Shakuntala Devi has approached very

scientifically in the determination of positions of Nakashatras, and

her Ayanamsha , that she uses.>

 

We have at least half a dozen very prominent ayanamshas viz. Lahiri,

Ramana, Muladhara, Chopra, Surya-sidhanta, Revati-Paksha etc. etc.

All of them claim to have astronomical and even shatriac basis! For

example, Revati Ayanamsha has the scientfic and sidhantic basis that

the Rashichakra starts from " Paushnanta " ! As such, it is supposed

to be the most valid astronomically and even as per the sidhantas

especially since a redoubtable scholar like B. G. Tilak has

recommended it! That is why it is also known as Tilaka Ayanamsh!

 

Similarly, Lahiri, who was no mean astronomer himself, has given

all the reasons for his " Chitra-Paksha " in several of his treatises

and all of them appear very cogent to a layman, so much so that even

our calendar makers to the nation viz. Rashtirya Panchanga have

fallen for that ayanamsha hook, line and sinker!

 

Chopra Ayanmsha also has given all the astronomical reasoning and

also even astrological as to why his ayanamksha alone is correct!

 

Then Muladhara Ayanamsha is the one that is claiming to be based on

the Surya Sidhanta and also as per modern astronomy!

 

As such, Shakuntala Devi is no exception!

 

That reminds me that in one of your posts, you had said that the two

zodiacs coincided sometime in 68 BC and that is how you had arrived

at the so called scinentifric basis about the start of Vikrami

Smvata in or around that year! Now you say that the two zodiacs

coincided sometime in 268 AD or 285 AD! Which of your statments is

to be taken as scientific?

 

<Clearly, your suggestion to change the Calendar is NOT based on

scientific presentations.>

 

Obviously, as per your own statements, you are passing this

verdict/jugement even without reading my papers since you find them

very long!

With regards,

Avtar Krishen Kaul

 

 

hinducivilization , " amsharanx "

<amsharanx@> wrote:

>

> Shree Kauljee:

>

> Thanks for your reply. I have gone through the Surya Siddhanta but

> possibly not with an angle that you mention.

>

> Your postings are so long that it is difficult to fathom what you

> want to convey ?

>

> Scientific works are seldom written in this fashion. They all have

> conclusions, abstract etc so that persons can get some idea by

> reading the abstract, and conclusions.

>

> Clearly, your suggestion to change the Calendar is NOT based on

> scientific presentations.

>

> You may have other than scientific reasons.

>

> I must also point out that Shakuntala Devi has approached very

> scientifically in the determination of positions of Nakashatras,

and

> her Ayanamsha , that she uses.

>

> Therefore, where would your criticism of her ( Lahiri's ) thinking

> can go ? I am only commenting on her determination of the

positions

> of Nakshatras but NOT her Jyotish Predictions based on those

> positions.

>

> Thanks.

>

> Anand M. Sharan

>

>

> hinducivilization , " Avtar Krishen Kaul "

> <jyotirved@> wrote:

> >

> > Dr. Anand M. Sharan ji,

> > Namaskar!

> > As you say usually, " First things first " . Let us, therefore,

not

> > confuse the criteria of our festivals with the

> > supposed " astrological combinations in the epics " etc. etc..

> >

> > I have already posted enough of information on this topic viz.,

> > criteria for deciding the correct dates of our festivals--- in

this

> > forum. Some of these documents are:

> > 1999b.doc; BVB6.doc; Rashi5.doc; npj3.doc; raman1.doc;

> > shankara1.doc; rotary.doc etc. etc. All these are in the files

> > section of this (hc) forum.

> >

> > It appears you have not gone through any of the Puranas like

the

> > Vishnu Purana, the Bhagavata, the Shiva-maha-Purana,

> > Vishnudharmotarapurana etc. etc. nor through any of the

sidhantas

> > whether the Surya Sidhanta or the Aryabhati or the Shishyadhi-

> > vridhidha etc. etc. as otherwise you would not come out with

the

> > bogey that our festivals also were subservient to the whims and

> > fancies of ayanamsha-mongers, who claim all the ayanamshas from

> zero

> > to 265 degrees as Vedic -- all in the name of precession!

> >

> > I know you are a busy person, but I am afraid that unless you

take

> > time out to go through those papers and come with cogent

arguments

> > against the points raised therein, I cannot go on repeating

those

> > very arguments time and again as this discussio will go to the

> point

> > of no return then!

> > With regards,

> > Avtar Krishen Kaul

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > hinducivilization , " amsharanx "

> > <amsharanx@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Shree Kauljee:

> > > What I can follow from your postings is that

you

> > do

> > > not like the present dates for celebrating festivals which are

> > > delayed, at least by about 24 days.

> > >

> > > On the other hand, when I discuss my dates of

> Lord

> > > Rama's birth which is also, about the same number of days

earlier

> > than

> > > what is celebrated then also you keep quet about it.

> > >

> > > I have found the date of MBH also to be

earlier

> > than

> > > the present dates by approximately the same amount.

> > >

> > > Can you clarify, after all, what you actually believe in ?

> > >

> > > Thanks.

> > >

> > > Anand M. Sharan

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > hinducivilization , " jyotirved "

<jyotirved@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Shri Sunil Bhatttacharjya ji,

> > > >

> > > > Namaskar!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > < But I do not agree entirely that it is not proper to

> celebrate

> > the

> > > > festivals in doubtful dates at all.>

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> >

>

 

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