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Pandit Arjun,

After reading your message , I think it will be pertinent to share my experience with you . There is an Astrologer in Trivandrum. He is a professional and may be around 94 or 95 years old. He is a Kaniyan. To better appreciate , the topic, I think you should be told who are these Kaniyans

 

Kaniyans

Kaniyars are a caste specifically assigned forthe purpose of Horoscope delineation and interpretation . It is believed Kaniyars are the first recepeints of the divine knowledge of Astrology right from the mouth of Lord Subramonia , the presiding deity of Jyotish

..Kaniyans also called Panicker , Kalari panicker etc in some places are re-christened as Ganakas or Gurukshetra samajam by the Government and is included in the other backward communities (OBC's) .

Even in those dark ages when untouchability was practised , Kaniyars were allowed free movements in the society and could even enter Royal household and were respected because of their knowledge in Astrology The Bible of Horary "Prasna Marga" was written by a Namputhiri Bramin at the behest of his kaniyan disciple . There are many secrets in Astrology , that passess from generation to generation , known only to members of Kaniyar community. Anyway , the present generation has distanced themselves from the study of Astrology and majority of them are well placed in Govt jobs and finds learning of Jyotish below their dignity and status .

 

Reverting to our topic under discussion , the time of birth of puppies was carefully recorded and a computer printout was taken to the Asan (a title as a mark of respect) . The Asan was told it belong to a new born baby and was asked to give a reading .. The Asan within a fillip retorted with a smile that the horoscope given to him was of "viyoni janma" and he even went to the extent of saying it belong to puppies , duly quoting a sanskrit sloka

In another instance , few years back, the then Chief Secretary himself in a private chat told me how he became a believer in Astrology.His father in law took the chart of his daughter and his chart to the Asan for assessing the compatibility rating . The Asan on receiving the chart written in the palmyra leaf (parachment ) without even being told to whom the chart belong at a glance reportedly told that the owner of the chart is destined to become Chief Secretary . ( You should note that there is no guarantee that one in IAS cadre should retire as Chief secretary and remember this prediction was made when he just joined the IAS )

Several instances could be quoted about his terrific mastery in Astrology . He lives few km's away from Srinad's house .One of my friend from Bangalore , who himself is an expert Astrologer was eager to show his chart to the Asan. Unfortunately Asan who is now 94 or 95 is taking rest and his relatives were very angry when insisted on meeting him . Interestingly the Asan, it seems didn't make any money in his long career in Astrology spanning over 70 years and is not even a known figure .

Though not connected with this Asan, I will tell you another incident that happened few months back My friend's wife (both officers in SBI & SBT respectively ) died of snake bite .When we visited their house , his mother in law was lamenting that it was written in her daughter's chart that she will die before 52 (after 51) by snake bite . You should take note , some unknown Kaniyan 51 years back (no ephemeris, no calculators or computers ,not even panchangs were readily available during that time and the kaniyars use to calculate planetary longitude manually) was able to predict death through snake bite .

The bottom line is many secrets of Astrology are known only to the "paramparas " and these paramparas, atleast in kerala has ended and the knowledge has been digested by the Time and we the students of Astrology will never get any access to such knowledge.

Best Wishes

M Nair

, "panditarjun2004" <panditarjun2004 wrote:>> dear fraternal friends> > ancient indian astrology as this group name stands, involves the > hindu mythological planets and gods and is believed and practiced > mostly by hindus who rank third in the religion or population by > religion in the world i.e. one third of the world. more than two > thirds of the world population is living without knowing their fate > or future based on astrology.> > in all olden yugas, almost all sages are trikalajnanis i.e. those who > knew the past, present and the future. astrology or astronomy is > only reckoned for fixing muhurtams and at best for knowing the good > and bad indicators at the time of birth of a child. only in > kaliyuga, the help of astrologers has become prominent as sages have > become rare or extinct. all present systems of astrology are not > hundred percent foolproof which is why it is not a scientific subject > and is not a part of curriculum even in hindu schools and colleges. > most people confuse by mixing astronomy and astrology. astronomy > deals with motion of planets based on mathematical principles and > hence astronomy is an established science and is a subject > everywhere. but astrology deals with INFERENCES on indication of > future incidents of a native by applying the astronomcial motion of > planets including non existing rahu and ketu and various lordships of > these planets and various mollification poojas and rituals for these > planets and their lords.> > by merely seeing a chart or by casting a chart based on given birth > details, no astrologer can say whether it is a male or female, or > whether it is living or dead. in one astrological group, one > member gave his pet dog birth details and the astrologers predicted > it construing as a human. many astrologers cast prashna charts to > find out these gender and living details which are as easy as 50:50 > but still there is no foolproof system to find these simple basic > details correctly in all cases.> > a person practicing ancient indian astrology must also be believing > in ancient indian hindu mythological divine theories and the hindu > paramparas wherein various other laws also come into force like the > karmic theory, the power of god viz. the blessings and curses of god > by the actions of the natives, paschattapa and self improvement by > sinners leading to happy lives thereafter or simply put self will. > all these things are beyond the periphery of astrological > futuretelling and hence astrology must be treated only as an > indicator and not as a hundred percent foolproof predictive science.> > many learnt astrologers conclude that analysing a chart post (after) > an incident is easy for the reasons of that incident. but when > thousands of innocent people die en masse in earthquakes, floods and > lakhs of people perish in tsunami almost all dying at the same time, > these are attributed as ACTS OF GOD. even the government of india > and the insurance companies terms these incidents as acts of gods or > nature's fury etc. astrology has no convincing reason for such lakhs > of people getting killed at the same time even when all of them are > having differnet lagnas, different birth stars and different > lifespans as per their birthcharts. this issue was discussed in > other astro forums earlier but no astrologer guru has any convincing > reason to fix astrological principles for these acts of god.> > hence my request to all astrologers is to accept the limitations of > astrology in the first place. however, we all can improve on our > predictions based on the most accepted priniples of planetary motions > and their impacts on human lives. with this backdrop, i appreciate > the efforts of sreenadhji who is the first astrolger among all > internet based astrology groups to focus and learn and improve on > knowing the basic predictive principles of astrology. even though > his various threads in various groups look basic and rudimentary for > the so called masters of indian astrology, the basic principle never > change and we all (including myself) shall get our basics right in > unison. applicability of these principles and their accuracy is > always fraught with both success and failure.> > members may kindly respond to the ISSUES highlighted and give the > astrological answers to these issues.> > with best wishes and blessings> pandit arjun> www.rudraksharemedy.com> > , "lion_draco1983" > lion_draco1983@ wrote:> >> > > > Dear ramadas ji ,> > > > Prashna maarga tells abt so many qualities > for> > astrologers ,which also includes one shud be humble and should be> > without ego.So just some guru hood wont be enough .We should show > this> > sastra is working ,How without a participation from Your side it is> > possible .Or is it enough when some one failes ,then we go and say > why> > dont u see this aspect or its written in this hora or that books > this> > is the results are like this .> > > > It was a blind reading which we r testing the effeciency of> > astrological scince .A wrong feeding of data or even the days mood > of> > astrologer may reflect in predictions .But it has one effect on this> > group that astro principle are universal and valid tru out ages .> > > > So if gurus shun away then who should participate ,the novices or> > illitterate in astrology students ?> > > > I know that u will not answer it or u might hav already resigned > from> > this group .> > > > Here the main challenge was there is so many schools of thoughts in> > astrology which promotes their own way of principles and systems .> > > > So this kind of reading exercise s are to test the validity of the > so> > called theoreys .I find some memebrs will declare a past event and > ask> > astrologer to see it .Then u can find all people will come out with> > their own theoreys to establish the event on a post mortem > analalysis.> > > > So gurus of each system are not ready to took up this then what is > proof> > of any system working .> > > > Who is responsible for bad plight of this sceince .> > > > You know the storey of great Varahamihira ,who take the risk of> > predicting death of a prince and if some thing happened he would > hav to> > cool his heels in cellar .> > > > Its lucky that prashna maarga was written in another millenium> > .Otherwise he can also say this to the king .> > > > regrds Vijaya raghavan guruvayur .> > > > > > , HosabettuRamadas > Rao> > <ramadasrao@> wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear Sreenadh Ji,> > > Have you read Prashna Margam, 1st chapter about the qualities of a> > good Astrologer ? You think that you are the biggest Astrologer in > this> > world.Dont write such aggressive words.I think this is not a good> > discussion forum for me and I am retiring from your discussion> > form.Please dont sen any invitation again.> > > H.R.Rao.> > >> > >> > > @: sreesog@: Fri, 23 Nov 2007> > 12:40:51 +0000 Blind chart > reading -> > Where is Rao ji and Goel ji> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear All,> > > So many people are making very good and bold attempts on the blind> > chart reading. Many enthusiastic and knowledgeable members like > Finn ji,> > Renu ji, Raghavn ji, Srinivas ji, Ravi ji, Neelam Gupta ji, Durga > ji,> > VIGHNESH ji, Pandit ji, Sasi Bhushan ji - has sincerely attempted > it.> > > But I don't see two of our most enthusiastic and aggressive > members> > anywhere in this attempt.> > > * Goel ji & > > > * Ramdas Rao ji> > > They were/are very active in this group and as such I would > expect a> > reading from them as well. Dear Rao ji and Goel ji please come > forward> > and make your attempt. Once that too is over we will wind-up this> > exercise and the results will be announced.> > > Important:> > > ----------> > > * If you are not ready to play the hero by making a winning or > losing> > reading about the same, please don't try to play police later when> > everything is over - such as suggesting it shouldn't be like that, > it> > should be like that; or how could it be so when the rules are so > and so> > etc. It is very easy to locate such tricky tactics. > > > * Note that, No Explanations or further discussions are allowed > once> > the final results are revealed.> > > * No explanations from non-participants are required. Practical> > astrology is a game for the daring individuals who are bold and > sincere> > enough to accept both success and failure.> > > Love and regards,Sreenadh> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > _______________> > > Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows > Live> > Spaces. It's easy!> > >> > http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?> wx_action=create & wx_url=/friends.a\> > spx & mkt=en-us> > >> >>