Guest guest Posted November 30, 2007 Report Share Posted November 30, 2007 Fruitless discussions taking place now is a consequence of our fear of mistakes and ego. It is a choice of the individual to take part in a quiz or not? Certain individuals may be nursing their image of an 'infallible' genius and so they cannot jump into the quiz fray. So Sreenath ended up highlighting their withdrawal syndrome. It may not have been received in good taste. When people leaves, new people will come. When the ego is bruised people shall react and it is natural. Give them time, instant appeasing or requests to stay may not do any good. Instant appeasing will only add to the ego. We are all fallible and use the opportunities like quiz to realize that truth. None can comprehend destiny and time. Horoscope is a just a mathematical tool trying to grasp a picture of destiny. chandra hari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2007 Report Share Posted November 30, 2007 dear friend while appreciating the individual freedom and right of answering or not answering a quiz, no one shall question the skills or capabilities of the non participants and paint them bad. various astro groups conducted various quizs in the past. for example one lady astrologer who owns an astro group on put her own chart while carrying and asked a very simple prediction on the gender of the unborn baby and majority astrologers predicted a son but later it turned out to be a girl. similar is a prediction of a cricket match which again is mathematically too simple fifty fifty chance of accurately predicting win or lose and there too many failed. similar is the case of a chart which was shown to an astrologer in tamilnadu and that astrologer predicted very good things about the native and later that astrologer was arrested as the chart shown was that of a dead person. hence my submission is that any and every quiz would definitely give right and wrong predictions which does not help any one in any way. the person who answers rightly cannot be right in all future quizs and the person who answers wrongly cannot go wrong in all future quizs. in the all india astrologer conclave a few years ago in rajasthan, one chart of a living person was given to all the participants and none of the astrologers could predict as to the profession of the native, which in reality was that of the then chief minsiter of that state. hence quizzes even of simple fifty fifty success ratio will naturally produce wrong results and people make a hue and cry and find fault with the wrong answering participants. instead of quizzes, if issues are discussed and all members will participate in those threads and agree in unison about those issues or principles and it would be a great exercise to strengthen the principles of astrology than the mere predive part of yes or no, living or dead, boy or girl, win or lose type quizes. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksharemedy.com , " chandra_hari18 " <chandra_hari18 wrote: > > > Fruitless discussions taking place now is a consequence of our fear of > mistakes and ego. It is a choice of the individual to take part in a > quiz or not? Certain individuals may be nursing their image of an > 'infallible' genius and so they cannot jump into the quiz fray. So > Sreenath ended up highlighting their withdrawal syndrome. It may not > have been received in good taste. > > When people leaves, new people will come. When the ego is bruised people > shall react and it is natural. Give them time, instant appeasing or > requests to stay may not do any good. Instant appeasing will only add to > the ego. > > We are all fallible and use the opportunities like quiz to realize that > truth. None can comprehend destiny and time. Horoscope is a just a > mathematical tool trying to grasp a picture of destiny. > > chandra hari > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2007 Report Share Posted December 1, 2007 Dear pt.arjunji , namaskar . I appreciate your post .Also i hav some thing to say . Most of your concerns are based on not reality .The blind chart reading is testing of principles .One may represent any system of astro or school of thought .But if astro principles cannot hav a effect then why u and me doing astro .I know that much of the technic has been lost and some of the stupid questions cannot be answered >I dont think by looking at the chart any one can predict whether its chart of russian or american . But all the rest of the question can be answered .Many families in india safe guards their own secrets >what we call it their traditional or oral traditional methods .Which u may not find in published available english books . I know there are astrologers who can say by looking at the chart within minits they can say when some one will get married .But may be all other of his predictions may go wrong .But he has some parampara secrets only to see this aspects in chart >also some will say by looking at the chart of a pregnant lady ,what will be the gender of new kid ,again they will fail in other aspects or may be not correct as this . so there are so many technics are still hidden and available tru out india and its hidden or kept by parampara astrologers . If we hav no ego and if we r willing to learn many of them are ready to teach this technic atleast to able and efficient students as their own New generation is Not interested in this profession and also they r earning better income than one can make tru astro . Even in kerala the girls dont want to marry a astrologer or a temple preist. so again boys and their parents know abt this loss of glamour of this profession and they r reluctant to take up this profession and some may continue as hobby.I know in many traditional families next generation is doctors or engineers or scientists or even soft ware engineers and many are working in foreign countries and getting very big income and respect than a astrologer . But one thing is sure astro principles if u know it properly its working well ,and it can be replicated in atleast 8o to 90 % of the charts .But what u need is after studying the horas ,u may need to specialise in this kind of snap shot methods .which trough our mutual efforts ,we can be bring out and shared among humble and simple astrologers who does not hav any ego and we shud be ready to learn and will hav the mind to accept our faults and in efficency and Only concern should be look for knowledge. Here what happend and happening is when some one predicts correctly u try to hunt him down and when we fail we r coming out with our excuses . which is against the true sense of this spiritual scince. here gurus are made without any perfrmance of their skills .Here astrologers are predicting what will happen to u and the queriest with lack of gratitude and since its free he might hav already got 100s of predictions from may be 100s of forums and he also forgets who told what > so lack of feed back ,is giving us a sense of false pride and we started to consider ourself as guru . that is the curse of this free and net astrology and net forums .I am sticking this forum as atleast here no free predictions are entertained ,In other forums some one with a software becoming astrologer and start predicting .And u can see many are using astro like a kids play and without any sense of respect because he never soiled or toiled for it ,and with a year he is getting title as guru . That is it <actualy this blind chart reading is a good exercise ,if u r ready to fail and it will sharpen ur predictive skills only .Any way i hav no regret s if i fail .We should be ready to learn from our mistakes and re check where and why we failed . otherwise we can just sign off or retire or take a leave when ever confronted only .And make a safe coming back when the water is clear and ready for another sail . Thank u regrds Vijayaraghavan guruvayur. , "panditarjun2004" <panditarjun2004 wrote:>> dear friend> > while appreciating the individual freedom and right of answering or > not answering a quiz, no one shall question the skills or > capabilities of the non participants and paint them bad.> > various astro groups conducted various quizs in the past. for > example one lady astrologer who owns an astro group on put her > own chart while carrying and asked a very simple prediction on the > gender of the unborn baby and majority astrologers predicted a son > but later it turned out to be a girl. similar is a prediction of a > cricket match which again is mathematically too simple fifty fifty > chance of accurately predicting win or lose and there too many > failed. similar is the case of a chart which was shown to an > astrologer in tamilnadu and that astrologer predicted very good > things about the native and later that astrologer was arrested as the > chart shown was that of a dead person. > > hence my submission is that any and every quiz would definitely give > right and wrong predictions which does not help any one in any way. > the person who answers rightly cannot be right in all future quizs > and the person who answers wrongly cannot go wrong in all future > quizs. in the all india astrologer conclave a few years ago in > rajasthan, one chart of a living person was given to all the > participants and none of the astrologers could predict as to the > profession of the native, which in reality was that of the then chief > minsiter of that state.> > hence quizzes even of simple fifty fifty success ratio will naturally > produce wrong results and people make a hue and cry and find fault > with the wrong answering participants. instead of quizzes, if issues > are discussed and all members will participate in those threads and > agree in unison about those issues or principles and it would be a > great exercise to strengthen the principles of astrology than the > mere predive part of yes or no, living or dead, boy or girl, win or > lose type quizes.> > with best wishes and blessings> pandit arjun> www.rudraksharemedy.com> > , "chandra_hari18" > chandra_hari18@ wrote:> >> > > > Fruitless discussions taking place now is a consequence of our fear > of> > mistakes and ego. It is a choice of the individual to take part in > a> > quiz or not? Certain individuals may be nursing their image of an> > 'infallible' genius and so they cannot jump into the quiz fray. So> > Sreenath ended up highlighting their withdrawal syndrome. It may not> > have been received in good taste.> > > > When people leaves, new people will come. When the ego is bruised > people> > shall react and it is natural. Give them time, instant appeasing or> > requests to stay may not do any good. Instant appeasing will only > add to> > the ego.> > > > We are all fallible and use the opportunities like quiz to realize > that> > truth. None can comprehend destiny and time. Horoscope is a just a> > mathematical tool trying to grasp a picture of destiny.> > > > chandra hari> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2007 Report Share Posted December 2, 2007 Dear Raghavan ji, That was a beautiful mail!!! Love and regards, Sreenadh , "lion_draco1983" <lion_draco1983 wrote: Dear pt.arjunji , namaskar . I appreciate your post .Also i hav some thing to say . Most of your concerns are based on not reality .The blind chart reading is testing of principles ..One may represent any system of astro or school of thought .But if astro principles cannot hav a effect then why u and me doing astro .I know that much of the technic has been lost and some of the stupid questions cannot be answered >I dont think by looking at the chart any one can predict whether its chart of russian or american . But all the rest of the question can be answered .Many families in india safe guards their own secrets >what we call it their traditional or oral traditional methods .Which u may not find in published available english books . I know there are astrologers who can say by looking at the chart within minits they can say when some one will get married .But may be all other of his predictions may go wrong .But he has some parampara secrets only to see this aspects in chart >also some will say by looking at the chart of a pregnant lady ,what will be the gender of new kid ,again they will fail in other aspects or may be not correct as this . so there are so many technics are still hidden and available tru out india and its hidden or kept by parampara astrologers . If we hav no ego and if we r willing to learn many of them are ready to teach this technic atleast to able and efficient students as their own New generation is Not interested in this profession and also they r earning better income than one can make tru astro . Even in kerala the girls dont want to marry a astrologer or a temple preist. so again boys and their parents know abt this loss of glamour of this profession and they r reluctant to take up this profession and some may continue as hobby.I know in many traditional families next generation is doctors or engineers or scientists or even soft ware engineers and many are working in foreign countries and getting very big income and respect than a astrologer . But one thing is sure astro principles if u know it properly its working well ,and it can be replicated in atleast 8o to 90 % of the charts .But what u need is after studying the horas ,u may need to specialise in this kind of snap shot methods .which trough our mutual efforts ,we can be bring out and shared among humble and simple astrologers who does not hav any ego and we shud be ready to learn and will hav the mind to accept our faults and in efficency and Only concern should be look for knowledge. Here what happend and happening is when some one predicts correctly u try to hunt him down and when we fail we r coming out with our excuses . which is against the true sense of this spiritual scince. here gurus are made without any perfrmance of their skills .Here astrologers are predicting what will happen to u and the queriest with lack of gratitude and since its free he might hav already got 100s of predictions from may be 100s of forums and he also forgets who told what > so lack of feed back ,is giving us a sense of false pride and we started to consider ourself as guru . that is the curse of this free and net astrology and net forums .I am sticking this forum as atleast here no free predictions are entertained ,In other forums some one with a software becoming astrologer and start predicting .And u can see many are using astro like a kids play and without any sense of respect because he never soiled or toiled for it ,and with a year he is getting title as guru . That is it <actualy this blind chart reading is a good exercise ,if u r ready to fail and it will sharpen ur predictive skills only .Any way i hav no regret s if i fail .We should be ready to learn from our mistakes and re check where and why we failed . otherwise we can just sign off or retire or take a leave when ever confronted only .And make a safe coming back when the water is clear and ready for another sail . Thank u regrds Vijayaraghavan guruvayur. > > > > > > > , "panditarjun2004"> panditarjun2004@ wrote:> >> > dear friend> >> > while appreciating the individual freedom and right of answering or> > not answering a quiz, no one shall question the skills or> > capabilities of the non participants and paint them bad.> >> > various astro groups conducted various quizs in the past. for> > example one lady astrologer who owns an astro group on put her> > own chart while carrying and asked a very simple prediction on the> > gender of the unborn baby and majority astrologers predicted a son> > but later it turned out to be a girl. similar is a prediction of a> > cricket match which again is mathematically too simple fifty fifty> > chance of accurately predicting win or lose and there too many> > failed. similar is the case of a chart which was shown to an> > astrologer in tamilnadu and that astrologer predicted very good> > things about the native and later that astrologer was arrested as the> > chart shown was that of a dead person.> >> > hence my submission is that any and every quiz would definitely give> > right and wrong predictions which does not help any one in any way.> > the person who answers rightly cannot be right in all future quizs> > and the person who answers wrongly cannot go wrong in all future> > quizs. in the all india astrologer conclave a few years ago in> > rajasthan, one chart of a living person was given to all the> > participants and none of the astrologers could predict as to the> > profession of the native, which in reality was that of the then chief> > minsiter of that state.> >> > hence quizzes even of simple fifty fifty success ratio will naturally> > produce wrong results and people make a hue and cry and find fault> > with the wrong answering participants. instead of quizzes, if issues> > are discussed and all members will participate in those threads and> > agree in unison about those issues or principles and it would be a> > great exercise to strengthen the principles of astrology than the> > mere predive part of yes or no, living or dead, boy or girl, win or> > lose type quizes.> >> > with best wishes and blessings> > pandit arjun> > www.rudraksharemedy.com> >> > , "chandra_hari18"> > chandra_hari18@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > Fruitless discussions taking place now is a consequence of our fear> > of> > > mistakes and ego. It is a choice of the individual to take part in> > a> > > quiz or not? Certain individuals may be nursing their image of an> > > 'infallible' genius and so they cannot jump into the quiz fray. So> > > Sreenath ended up highlighting their withdrawal syndrome. It may not> > > have been received in good taste.> > >> > > When people leaves, new people will come. When the ego is bruised> > people> > > shall react and it is natural. Give them time, instant appeasing or> > > requests to stay may not do any good. Instant appeasing will only> > add to> > > the ego.> > >> > > We are all fallible and use the opportunities like quiz to realize> > that> > > truth. None can comprehend destiny and time. Horoscope is a just a> > > mathematical tool trying to grasp a picture of destiny.> > >> > > chandra hari> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2007 Report Share Posted December 2, 2007 dear sreenadh ji , Thanks regrds Vijayaraghavan guruvayur . , "Sreenadh" <sreesog wrote:>> Dear Raghavan ji,> That was a beautiful mail!!! []> Love and regards,> Sreenadh> > , "lion_draco1983"> lion_draco1983@ wrote:> > Dear pt.arjunji ,> > namaskar .> > I appreciate your post .Also i hav some thing to say .> > Most of your concerns are based on not reality .The blind chart reading> is testing of principles .One may represent any system of astro or> school of thought .But if astro principles cannot hav a effect then why> u and me doing astro .I know that much of the technic has been lost and> some of the stupid questions cannot be answered >I dont think by looking> at the chart any one can predict whether its chart of russian or> american .> > But all the rest of the question can be answered .Many families in india> safe guards their own secrets >what we call it their traditional or oral> traditional methods .Which u may not find in published available english> books .> > I know there are astrologers who can say by looking at the chart within> minits they can say when some one will get married .But may be all other> of his predictions may go wrong .But he has some parampara secrets only> to see this aspects in chart >> also some will say by looking at the chart of a pregnant lady ,what will> be the gender of new kid ,again they will fail in other aspects or may> be not correct as this .> > so there are so many technics are still hidden and available tru out> india and its hidden or kept by parampara astrologers .> > If we hav no ego and if we r willing to learn many of them are ready to> teach this technic atleast to able and efficient students as their own> New generation is Not interested in this profession and also they r> earning better income than one can make tru astro .> > Even in kerala the girls dont want to marry a astrologer or a temple> preist.> > so again boys and their parents know abt this loss of glamour of this> profession and they r reluctant to take up this profession and some may> continue as hobby.I know in many traditional families next generation is> doctors or engineers or scientists or even soft ware engineers and many> are working in foreign countries and getting very big income and respect> than a astrologer .> > But one thing is sure astro principles if u know it properly its working> well ,and it can be replicated in atleast 8o to 90 % of the charts .But> what u need is after studying the horas ,u may need to specialise in> this kind of snap shot methods .which trough our mutual efforts ,we can> be bring out and shared among humble and simple astrologers who does not> hav any ego and we shud be ready to learn and will hav the mind to> accept our faults and in efficency and Only concern should be look for> knowledge.> > Here what happend and happening is when some one predicts correctly u> try to hunt him down and when we fail we r coming out with our excuses .> > which is against the true sense of this spiritual scince.> > here gurus are made without any perfrmance of their skills .Here> astrologers are predicting what will happen to u and the queriest with> lack of gratitude and since its free he might hav already got 100s of> predictions from may be 100s of forums and he also forgets who> told what >> > so lack of feed back ,is giving us a sense of false pride and we started> to consider ourself as guru .> > that is the curse of this free and net astrology and net forums .I am> sticking this forum as atleast here no free predictions are entertained> ,In other forums some one with a software becoming astrologer and start> predicting .And u can see many are using astro like a kids play and> without any sense of respect because he never soiled or toiled for it> ,and with a year he is getting title as guru .> > That is it <actualy this blind chart reading is a good exercise ,if u r> ready to fail and it will sharpen ur predictive skills only .Any way i> hav no regret s if i fail .We should be ready to learn from our mistakes> and re check where and why we failed .> > otherwise we can just sign off or retire or take a leave when ever> confronted only .And make a safe coming back when the water is clear and> ready for another sail .> > > > Thank u> > regrds Vijayaraghavan guruvayur.> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > , "panditarjun2004"> > panditarjun2004@ wrote:> > >> > > dear friend> > >> > > while appreciating the individual freedom and right of answering or> > > not answering a quiz, no one shall question the skills or> > > capabilities of the non participants and paint them bad.> > >> > > various astro groups conducted various quizs in the past. for> > > example one lady astrologer who owns an astro group on put her> > > own chart while carrying and asked a very simple prediction on the> > > gender of the unborn baby and majority astrologers predicted a son> > > but later it turned out to be a girl. similar is a prediction of a> > > cricket match which again is mathematically too simple fifty fifty> > > chance of accurately predicting win or lose and there too many> > > failed. similar is the case of a chart which was shown to an> > > astrologer in tamilnadu and that astrologer predicted very good> > > things about the native and later that astrologer was arrested as> the> > > chart shown was that of a dead person.> > >> > > hence my submission is that any and every quiz would definitely give> > > right and wrong predictions which does not help any one in any way.> > > the person who answers rightly cannot be right in all future quizs> > > and the person who answers wrongly cannot go wrong in all future> > > quizs. in the all india astrologer conclave a few years ago in> > > rajasthan, one chart of a living person was given to all the> > > participants and none of the astrologers could predict as to the> > > profession of the native, which in reality was that of the then> chief> > > minsiter of that state.> > >> > > hence quizzes even of simple fifty fifty success ratio will> naturally> > > produce wrong results and people make a hue and cry and find fault> > > with the wrong answering participants. instead of quizzes, if issues> > > are discussed and all members will participate in those threads and> > > agree in unison about those issues or principles and it would be a> > > great exercise to strengthen the principles of astrology than the> > > mere predive part of yes or no, living or dead, boy or girl, win or> > > lose type quizes.> > >> > > with best wishes and blessings> > > pandit arjun> > > www.rudraksharemedy.com> > >> > > , "chandra_hari18"> > > chandra_hari18@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Fruitless discussions taking place now is a consequence of our> fear> > > of> > > > mistakes and ego. It is a choice of the individual to take part in> > > a> > > > quiz or not? Certain individuals may be nursing their image of an> > > > 'infallible' genius and so they cannot jump into the quiz fray. So> > > > Sreenath ended up highlighting their withdrawal syndrome. It may> not> > > > have been received in good taste.> > > >> > > > When people leaves, new people will come. When the ego is bruised> > > people> > > > shall react and it is natural. Give them time, instant appeasing> or> > > > requests to stay may not do any good. Instant appeasing will only> > > add to> > > > the ego.> > > >> > > > We are all fallible and use the opportunities like quiz to realize> > > that> > > > truth. None can comprehend destiny and time. Horoscope is a just a> > > > mathematical tool trying to grasp a picture of destiny.> > > >> > > > chandra hari> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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