Seventh house and past life? (To renuji)

[Guest guest]

Dear Renuji,

 

What you have mentioned is a question that haunts the subconcious

mind of any person with a genuine spiritual quest. I wish, in your

mind,this question doesnt remain a question always. Some time we

need to get an answer.

 

Better late than never to realise that

 

" Pothi Padh Padh Kar Jag Mua, Pandit Bhayo Na Koye

Dhai Akshar Prem Ke, Jo Padhe so Pandit Hoye "

 

I have copied Kabir das' lines which we all have studied in school.

Hope every body knows the meaning and do not need an explanation.

 

I have always felt that whether it is astrology or philosophy, one

must leave everything at one point. People who have had the

realisation has rightly said that " Use a thorn to remove the thorn

in your leg and leave both the thorns " .

 

But we all are still keeping the thorn with us, I guess. And

astrology is no exception.

 

Regards,

Jyothi

 

 

 

 

, " renunw "

<renunw wrote:

>

> Dear Sreenadh ji,

>

> " Like Buddha said there are several questions that needs to be

> > answered first; and till then several questions should remain

> > unanswered. Asking that questions prior to understanding the

> primary

> > would be turning to an erroneous path - and so actually some

> > questions are there which should never be asked now. "

>

> Exactly. I totally agree with you. After all what should be our

real

> aim in life? ...cessation of this vicious circle of life for once

> and for all.

>

> The question is not digging into the past would take us to our

> ultimate objective in life, but whether digging into ancient/modern

> astrology would also lead us on the correct path???? Please note

> that I don't mean any insult here. Truly, Sreenadh ji, I would like

> to know what is the purpose of learning all this astrology too if

> destiny, consequences of our past Karma is something we rarely [not

> never] can change. Yes, even I am interested in astrology, learning

> it etc. etc. I too may be in an erroneous path, no doubt. It has

> become a hobby. But 'ups and downs with numerous behaviour patterns

> of planets' teach us or make us realize the reality in life. Other

> than that I cannot see anything which would contribute to our

> ultimate goal or 'nirvana'. So it is not only digging into the past

> but also predicting future would be a futile effort and a waste of

> time. Is not it so????

>

> If you can express your view on this, you are mostly welcome.

>

> blessings

>

> Renu

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Jyoti ji,

Please know that you are speaking to Buddhist Teacher. Hope this

helps.

Love,

Sreenadh

 

, " jyothi_b_lakshmi "

<jyothilakshmi.b wrote:

>

> Dear Renuji,

>

> What you have mentioned is a question that haunts the subconcious

> mind of any person with a genuine spiritual quest. I wish, in your

> mind,this question doesnt remain a question always. Some time we

> need to get an answer.

>

> Better late than never to realise that

>

> " Pothi Padh Padh Kar Jag Mua, Pandit Bhayo Na Koye

> Dhai Akshar Prem Ke, Jo Padhe so Pandit Hoye "

>

> I have copied Kabir das' lines which we all have studied in school.

> Hope every body knows the meaning and do not need an explanation.

>

> I have always felt that whether it is astrology or philosophy, one

> must leave everything at one point. People who have had the

> realisation has rightly said that " Use a thorn to remove the thorn

> in your leg and leave both the thorns " .

>

> But we all are still keeping the thorn with us, I guess. And

> astrology is no exception.

>

> Regards,

> Jyothi

>

>

>

>

> , " renunw "

> <renunw@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> >

> > " Like Buddha said there are several questions that needs to be

> > > answered first; and till then several questions should remain

> > > unanswered. Asking that questions prior to understanding the

> > primary

> > > would be turning to an erroneous path - and so actually some

> > > questions are there which should never be asked now. "

> >

> > Exactly. I totally agree with you. After all what should be our

> real

> > aim in life? ...cessation of this vicious circle of life for once

> > and for all.

> >

> > The question is not digging into the past would take us to our

> > ultimate objective in life, but whether digging into

ancient/modern

> > astrology would also lead us on the correct path???? Please note

> > that I don't mean any insult here. Truly, Sreenadh ji, I would

like

> > to know what is the purpose of learning all this astrology too if

> > destiny, consequences of our past Karma is something we rarely

[not

> > never] can change. Yes, even I am interested in astrology,

learning

> > it etc. etc. I too may be in an erroneous path, no doubt. It has

> > become a hobby. But 'ups and downs with numerous behaviour

patterns

> > of planets' teach us or make us realize the reality in life. Other

> > than that I cannot see anything which would contribute to our

> > ultimate goal or 'nirvana'. So it is not only digging into the

past

> > but also predicting future would be a futile effort and a waste of

> > time. Is not it so????

> >

> > If you can express your view on this, you are mostly welcome.

> >

> > blessings

> >

> > Renu

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Srinadhji,

 

Doesnt make any difference as long as renuji is not another

budha .

 

Renuji: Just kidding, pls dont take it serious.

 

Regards,

Jyothi

 

, " Sreenadh "

<sreesog wrote:

>

> Dear Jyoti ji,

> Please know that you are speaking to Buddhist Teacher. Hope this

> helps.

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Jyothi,

 

Kindly explain the meaning of the follwoing please...I am not

familiar with Sanskrit..though I understand a word or two here or

there..But frankly I am clueless of the overall meaning

 

" Pothi Padh Padh Kar Jag Mua, Pandit Bhayo Na Koye

Dhai Akshar Prem Ke, Jo Padhe so Pandit Hoye "

 

Thanks ...

 

blessings

 

Renu

 

 

 

 

, " jyothi_b_lakshmi "

<jyothilakshmi.b wrote:

>

> Dear Renuji,

>

> What you have mentioned is a question that haunts the subconcious

> mind of any person with a genuine spiritual quest. I wish, in your

> mind,this question doesnt remain a question always. Some time we

> need to get an answer.

>

> Better late than never to realise that

>

> " Pothi Padh Padh Kar Jag Mua, Pandit Bhayo Na Koye

> Dhai Akshar Prem Ke, Jo Padhe so Pandit Hoye "

>

> I have copied Kabir das' lines which we all have studied in school.

> Hope every body knows the meaning and do not need an explanation.

>

> I have always felt that whether it is astrology or philosophy, one

> must leave everything at one point. People who have had the

> realisation has rightly said that " Use a thorn to remove the thorn

> in your leg and leave both the thorns " .

>

> But we all are still keeping the thorn with us, I guess. And

> astrology is no exception.

>

> Regards,

> Jyothi

>

>

>

>

> , " renunw "

> <renunw@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> >

> > " Like Buddha said there are several questions that needs to be

> > > answered first; and till then several questions should remain

> > > unanswered. Asking that questions prior to understanding the

> > primary

> > > would be turning to an erroneous path - and so actually some

> > > questions are there which should never be asked now. "

> >

> > Exactly. I totally agree with you. After all what should be our

> real

> > aim in life? ...cessation of this vicious circle of life for once

> > and for all.

> >

> > The question is not digging into the past would take us to our

> > ultimate objective in life, but whether digging into

ancient/modern

> > astrology would also lead us on the correct path???? Please note

> > that I don't mean any insult here. Truly, Sreenadh ji, I would

like

> > to know what is the purpose of learning all this astrology too if

> > destiny, consequences of our past Karma is something we rarely

[not

> > never] can change. Yes, even I am interested in astrology,

learning

> > it etc. etc. I too may be in an erroneous path, no doubt. It has

> > become a hobby. But 'ups and downs with numerous behaviour

patterns

> > of planets' teach us or make us realize the reality in life.

Other

> > than that I cannot see anything which would contribute to our

> > ultimate goal or 'nirvana'. So it is not only digging into the

past

> > but also predicting future would be a futile effort and a waste

of

> > time. Is not it so????

> >

> > If you can express your view on this, you are mostly welcome.

> >

> > blessings

> >

> > Renu

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Jyothi ji,

 

" Doesnt make any difference as long as renuji is not another

> budha . "

 

Not in another thousand 'kalpas' even...So take it easy.

 

blessings

 

Renu

 

 

, " jyothi_b_lakshmi "

<jyothilakshmi.b wrote:

>

> Dear Srinadhji,

>

> Doesnt make any difference as long as renuji is not another

> budha .

>

> Renuji: Just kidding, pls dont take it serious.

>

> Regards,

> Jyothi

>

> , " Sreenadh "

> <sreesog@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Jyoti ji,

> > Please know that you are speaking to Buddhist Teacher. Hope

this

> > helps.

> > Love,

> > Sreenadh

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Renuji,

 

Even I do no know sanskrit. But this is hindi, local hindi(I donno if

there is any word for this kind of hindi).

 

The meaning is:

 

" Nobody becomes a pandit (read " becomes wise " ) by reading books. Wise

(pandits) are those who know the meaning of love. "

 

To exaggerate the meaning " No point in reading any number of books,

unless you learn to love unconditionally (divine love) " )

 

Regards,

Jyothi

 

I think I learnt this in 6th or 7th std. This is doha (two liner) of

the famous poet Kabir das.

 

, " renunw "

<renunw wrote:

>

> Dear Jyothi,

>

> Kindly explain the meaning of the follwoing please...I am not

> familiar with Sanskrit..though I understand a word or two here or

> there..But frankly I am clueless of the overall meaning

>

> " Pothi Padh Padh Kar Jag Mua, Pandit Bhayo Na Koye

> Dhai Akshar Prem Ke, Jo Padhe so Pandit Hoye "

>

> Thanks ...

>

> blessings

>

> Renu

>

>

>

>

> , " jyothi_b_lakshmi "

> <jyothilakshmi.b@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Renuji,

> >

> > What you have mentioned is a question that haunts the subconcious

> > mind of any person with a genuine spiritual quest. I wish, in

your

> > mind,this question doesnt remain a question always. Some time we

> > need to get an answer.

> >

> > Better late than never to realise that

> >

> > " Pothi Padh Padh Kar Jag Mua, Pandit Bhayo Na Koye

> > Dhai Akshar Prem Ke, Jo Padhe so Pandit Hoye "

> >

> > I have copied Kabir das' lines which we all have studied in

school.

> > Hope every body knows the meaning and do not need an explanation.

> >

> > I have always felt that whether it is astrology or philosophy,

one

> > must leave everything at one point. People who have had the

> > realisation has rightly said that " Use a thorn to remove the

thorn

> > in your leg and leave both the thorns " .

> >

> > But we all are still keeping the thorn with us, I guess. And

> > astrology is no exception.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Jyothi

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " renunw "

> > <renunw@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> > >

> > > " Like Buddha said there are several questions that needs to be

> > > > answered first; and till then several questions should remain

> > > > unanswered. Asking that questions prior to understanding the

> > > primary

> > > > would be turning to an erroneous path - and so actually some

> > > > questions are there which should never be asked now. "

> > >

> > > Exactly. I totally agree with you. After all what should be our

> > real

> > > aim in life? ...cessation of this vicious circle of life for

once

> > > and for all.

> > >

> > > The question is not digging into the past would take us to our

> > > ultimate objective in life, but whether digging into

> ancient/modern

> > > astrology would also lead us on the correct path???? Please note

> > > that I don't mean any insult here. Truly, Sreenadh ji, I would

> like

> > > to know what is the purpose of learning all this astrology too

if

> > > destiny, consequences of our past Karma is something we rarely

> [not

> > > never] can change. Yes, even I am interested in astrology,

> learning

> > > it etc. etc. I too may be in an erroneous path, no doubt. It has

> > > become a hobby. But 'ups and downs with numerous behaviour

> patterns

> > > of planets' teach us or make us realize the reality in life.

> Other

> > > than that I cannot see anything which would contribute to our

> > > ultimate goal or 'nirvana'. So it is not only digging into the

> past

> > > but also predicting future would be a futile effort and a waste

> of

> > > time. Is not it so????

> > >

> > > If you can express your view on this, you are mostly welcome.

> > >

> > > blessings

> > >

> > > Renu

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Renuji,

 

Kabir has always been a source of inspiration. Love is essential to

bhakti (devotion) and Kabir was a " frontrunner " in the bhakti

movement, renuji.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhakti_movement

 

Good to know that u are a Buddhist teacher. i simply love koans.

 

Love,

vinita

 

 

 

, " jyothi_b_lakshmi "

<jyothi_b_lakshmi wrote:

>

> Dear Renuji,

>

> Even I do no know sanskrit. But this is hindi, local hindi(I donno

if

> there is any word for this kind of hindi).

>

> The meaning is:

>

> " Nobody becomes a pandit (read " becomes wise " ) by reading books.

Wise

> (pandits) are those who know the meaning of love. "

>

> To exaggerate the meaning " No point in reading any number of

books,

> unless you learn to love unconditionally (divine love) " )

>

> Regards,

> Jyothi

>

> I think I learnt this in 6th or 7th std. This is doha (two liner)

of

> the famous poet Kabir das.

>

> , " renunw "

> <renunw@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Jyothi,

> >

> > Kindly explain the meaning of the follwoing please...I am not

> > familiar with Sanskrit..though I understand a word or two here

or

> > there..But frankly I am clueless of the overall meaning

> >

> > " Pothi Padh Padh Kar Jag Mua, Pandit Bhayo Na Koye

> > Dhai Akshar Prem Ke, Jo Padhe so Pandit Hoye "

> >

> > Thanks ...

> >

> > blessings

> >

> > Renu

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > --- In

, " jyothi_b_lakshmi "

> > <jyothilakshmi.b@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Renuji,

> > >

> > > What you have mentioned is a question that haunts the

subconcious

> > > mind of any person with a genuine spiritual quest. I wish, in

> your

> > > mind,this question doesnt remain a question always. Some time

we

> > > need to get an answer.

> > >

> > > Better late than never to realise that

> > >

> > > " Pothi Padh Padh Kar Jag Mua, Pandit Bhayo Na Koye

> > > Dhai Akshar Prem Ke, Jo Padhe so Pandit Hoye "

> > >

> > > I have copied Kabir das' lines which we all have studied in

> school.

> > > Hope every body knows the meaning and do not need an

explanation.

> > >

> > > I have always felt that whether it is astrology or philosophy,

> one

> > > must leave everything at one point. People who have had the

> > > realisation has rightly said that " Use a thorn to remove the

> thorn

> > > in your leg and leave both the thorns " .

> > >

> > > But we all are still keeping the thorn with us, I guess. And

> > > astrology is no exception.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Jyothi

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " renunw "

> > > <renunw@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> > > >

> > > > " Like Buddha said there are several questions that needs to

be

> > > > > answered first; and till then several questions should

remain

> > > > > unanswered. Asking that questions prior to understanding

the

> > > > primary

> > > > > would be turning to an erroneous path - and so actually

some

> > > > > questions are there which should never be asked now. "

> > > >

> > > > Exactly. I totally agree with you. After all what should be

our

> > > real

> > > > aim in life? ...cessation of this vicious circle of life for

> once

> > > > and for all.

> > > >

> > > > The question is not digging into the past would take us to

our

> > > > ultimate objective in life, but whether digging into

> > ancient/modern

> > > > astrology would also lead us on the correct path???? Please

note

> > > > that I don't mean any insult here. Truly, Sreenadh ji, I

would

> > like

> > > > to know what is the purpose of learning all this astrology

too

> if

> > > > destiny, consequences of our past Karma is something we

rarely

> > [not

> > > > never] can change. Yes, even I am interested in astrology,

> > learning

> > > > it etc. etc. I too may be in an erroneous path, no doubt. It

has

> > > > become a hobby. But 'ups and downs with numerous behaviour

> > patterns

> > > > of planets' teach us or make us realize the reality in life.

> > Other

> > > > than that I cannot see anything which would contribute to our

> > > > ultimate goal or 'nirvana'. So it is not only digging into

the

> > past

> > > > but also predicting future would be a futile effort and a

waste

> > of

> > > > time. Is not it so????

> > > >

> > > > If you can express your view on this, you are mostly welcome.

> > > >

> > > > blessings

> > > >

> > > > Renu

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Renu ji,

I am just wonder struck at the quote - me too don't know much

Sanskrit. But it seems that the quote you provided is the doha of

Kabirdas or someone like that - learned ones please correct me in

this. It is Old Hindi and not Sanskrit.

> " Pothi Padh Padh Kar Jag Mua, Pandit Bhayo Na Koye

> Dhai Akshar Prem Ke, Jo Padhe so Pandit Hoye "

The approximate meaning of this quote is - " No one becomes (truly)

knowledgeable by repeatedly reading (or memorizing) books. If some one

knows 2.5 letters (one or two letters) of Love, he is the true

knowledgeable one "

Dear learned ones, please provide the exact reference of this verse

(author and book) and the exact word by word meaning. I don't know the

meaning of all the words in that quote - the one I could understand

are - Pothi = Book; Padh Padh Kar = By repeatedly reading;

Pandit=Knowledgeable one (true scholar); Bhayo Na Koye = No one

becomes; Dhai = two and a half; Akshar = Alphabet (letters); Prem =

Love; Prem Ke = of love; Jo = Whom so ever (the one); Padhe = reads;

So = He; Pandit Hoye = Becomes the knowledgeable one.

I don't know the meaning of the words - Jasg Mua. Some one please

clarify this. May be Jyoti ji can shed more light on this.

Love,

Sreenadh

 

, " renunw " <renunw

wrote:

>

> Dear Jyothi,

>

> Kindly explain the meaning of the follwoing please...I am not

> familiar with Sanskrit..though I understand a word or two here or

> there..But frankly I am clueless of the overall meaning

>

> " Pothi Padh Padh Kar Jag Mua, Pandit Bhayo Na Koye

> Dhai Akshar Prem Ke, Jo Padhe so Pandit Hoye "

>

> Thanks ...

>

> blessings

>

> Renu

>

>

>

>

> , " jyothi_b_lakshmi "

> <jyothilakshmi.b@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Renuji,

> >

> > What you have mentioned is a question that haunts the subconcious

> > mind of any person with a genuine spiritual quest. I wish, in your

> > mind,this question doesnt remain a question always. Some time we

> > need to get an answer.

> >

> > Better late than never to realise that

> >

> > " Pothi Padh Padh Kar Jag Mua, Pandit Bhayo Na Koye

> > Dhai Akshar Prem Ke, Jo Padhe so Pandit Hoye "

> >

> > I have copied Kabir das' lines which we all have studied in school.

> > Hope every body knows the meaning and do not need an explanation.

> >

> > I have always felt that whether it is astrology or philosophy, one

> > must leave everything at one point. People who have had the

> > realisation has rightly said that " Use a thorn to remove the thorn

> > in your leg and leave both the thorns " .

> >

> > But we all are still keeping the thorn with us, I guess. And

> > astrology is no exception.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Jyothi

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " renunw "

> > <renunw@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> > >

> > > " Like Buddha said there are several questions that needs to be

> > > > answered first; and till then several questions should remain

> > > > unanswered. Asking that questions prior to understanding the

> > > primary

> > > > would be turning to an erroneous path - and so actually some

> > > > questions are there which should never be asked now. "

> > >

> > > Exactly. I totally agree with you. After all what should be our

> > real

> > > aim in life? ...cessation of this vicious circle of life for once

> > > and for all.

> > >

> > > The question is not digging into the past would take us to our

> > > ultimate objective in life, but whether digging into

> ancient/modern

> > > astrology would also lead us on the correct path???? Please note

> > > that I don't mean any insult here. Truly, Sreenadh ji, I would

> like

> > > to know what is the purpose of learning all this astrology too if

> > > destiny, consequences of our past Karma is something we rarely

> [not

> > > never] can change. Yes, even I am interested in astrology,

> learning

> > > it etc. etc. I too may be in an erroneous path, no doubt. It has

> > > become a hobby. But 'ups and downs with numerous behaviour

> patterns

> > > of planets' teach us or make us realize the reality in life.

> Other

> > > than that I cannot see anything which would contribute to our

> > > ultimate goal or 'nirvana'. So it is not only digging into the

> past

> > > but also predicting future would be a futile effort and a waste

> of

> > > time. Is not it so????

> > >

> > > If you can express your view on this, you are mostly welcome.

> > >

> > > blessings

> > >

> > > Renu

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Shreenadh,

 

the translation of " jag " , u know, is " world " .

 

" mua " is to be die / be destroyed.

 

So maybe just reading books / " pothis " without learning two and a

half ( " dhai " ) words ( " akshar " )of love is the death of us mortals?

 

Also compare tomes / huge books/ pothis with just dhai akshar of

love...the contrast is hilarious!

 

i was moved by jyotiji's quote too, like u!

 

 

, " Sreenadh "

<sreesog wrote:

>

> Dear Renu ji,

> I am just wonder struck at the quote - me too don't know much

> Sanskrit. But it seems that the quote you provided is the doha of

> Kabirdas or someone like that - learned ones please correct me in

> this. It is Old Hindi and not Sanskrit.

> > " Pothi Padh Padh Kar Jag Mua, Pandit Bhayo Na Koye

> > Dhai Akshar Prem Ke, Jo Padhe so Pandit Hoye "

> The approximate meaning of this quote is - " No one becomes (truly)

> knowledgeable by repeatedly reading (or memorizing) books. If some

one

> knows 2.5 letters (one or two letters) of Love, he is the true

> knowledgeable one "

> Dear learned ones, please provide the exact reference of this

verse

> (author and book) and the exact word by word meaning. I don't know

the

> meaning of all the words in that quote - the one I could understand

> are - Pothi = Book; Padh Padh Kar = By repeatedly reading;

> Pandit=Knowledgeable one (true scholar); Bhayo Na Koye = No one

> becomes; Dhai = two and a half; Akshar = Alphabet (letters); Prem =

> Love; Prem Ke = of love; Jo = Whom so ever (the one); Padhe =

reads;

> So = He; Pandit Hoye = Becomes the knowledgeable one.

> I don't know the meaning of the words - Jasg Mua. Some one

please

> clarify this. May be Jyoti ji can shed more light on this.

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

> , " renunw " <renunw@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Jyothi,

> >

> > Kindly explain the meaning of the follwoing please...I am not

> > familiar with Sanskrit..though I understand a word or two here

or

> > there..But frankly I am clueless of the overall meaning

> >

> > " Pothi Padh Padh Kar Jag Mua, Pandit Bhayo Na Koye

> > Dhai Akshar Prem Ke, Jo Padhe so Pandit Hoye "

> >

> > Thanks ...

> >

> > blessings

> >

> > Renu

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > --- In

, " jyothi_b_lakshmi "

> > <jyothilakshmi.b@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Renuji,

> > >

> > > What you have mentioned is a question that haunts the

subconcious

> > > mind of any person with a genuine spiritual quest. I wish, in

your

> > > mind,this question doesnt remain a question always. Some time

we

> > > need to get an answer.

> > >

> > > Better late than never to realise that

> > >

> > > " Pothi Padh Padh Kar Jag Mua, Pandit Bhayo Na Koye

> > > Dhai Akshar Prem Ke, Jo Padhe so Pandit Hoye "

> > >

> > > I have copied Kabir das' lines which we all have studied in

school.

> > > Hope every body knows the meaning and do not need an

explanation.

> > >

> > > I have always felt that whether it is astrology or philosophy,

one

> > > must leave everything at one point. People who have had the

> > > realisation has rightly said that " Use a thorn to remove the

thorn

> > > in your leg and leave both the thorns " .

> > >

> > > But we all are still keeping the thorn with us, I guess. And

> > > astrology is no exception.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Jyothi

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " renunw "

> > > <renunw@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> > > >

> > > > " Like Buddha said there are several questions that needs to

be

> > > > > answered first; and till then several questions should

remain

> > > > > unanswered. Asking that questions prior to understanding

the

> > > > primary

> > > > > would be turning to an erroneous path - and so actually

some

> > > > > questions are there which should never be asked now. "

> > > >

> > > > Exactly. I totally agree with you. After all what should be

our

> > > real

> > > > aim in life? ...cessation of this vicious circle of life for

once

> > > > and for all.

> > > >

> > > > The question is not digging into the past would take us to

our

> > > > ultimate objective in life, but whether digging into

> > ancient/modern

> > > > astrology would also lead us on the correct path???? Please

note

> > > > that I don't mean any insult here. Truly, Sreenadh ji, I

would

> > like

> > > > to know what is the purpose of learning all this astrology

too if

> > > > destiny, consequences of our past Karma is something we

rarely

> > [not

> > > > never] can change. Yes, even I am interested in astrology,

> > learning

> > > > it etc. etc. I too may be in an erroneous path, no doubt. It

has

> > > > become a hobby. But 'ups and downs with numerous behaviour

> > patterns

> > > > of planets' teach us or make us realize the reality in life.

> > Other

> > > > than that I cannot see anything which would contribute to our

> > > > ultimate goal or 'nirvana'. So it is not only digging into

the

> > past

> > > > but also predicting future would be a futile effort and a

waste

> > of

> > > > time. Is not it so????

> > > >

> > > > If you can express your view on this, you are mostly welcome.

> > > >

> > > > blessings

> > > >

> > > > Renu

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Srinadhji,

 

Jag mua, if my understanding is correct is " left the world(jag) " ,

means died. In short, people read and read books and finally died,

but none of them became wise. I didnt give word to word meaning

because that wont give the right meaning what is actually intended.

 

I m not a pandit in Hindi either, but with my current knowledge and

what our teachers taught, this is what I have understood.

 

Regards,

Jyothi

 

 

 

, " Sreenadh "

<sreesog wrote:

>

> Dear Renu ji,

> I am just wonder struck at the quote - me too don't know much

> Sanskrit. But it seems that the quote you provided is the doha of

> Kabirdas or someone like that - learned ones please correct me in

> this. It is Old Hindi and not Sanskrit.

> > " Pothi Padh Padh Kar Jag Mua, Pandit Bhayo Na Koye

> > Dhai Akshar Prem Ke, Jo Padhe so Pandit Hoye "

> The approximate meaning of this quote is - " No one becomes (truly)

> knowledgeable by repeatedly reading (or memorizing) books. If some

one

> knows 2.5 letters (one or two letters) of Love, he is the true

> knowledgeable one "

> Dear learned ones, please provide the exact reference of this

verse

> (author and book) and the exact word by word meaning. I don't know

the

> meaning of all the words in that quote - the one I could understand

> are - Pothi = Book; Padh Padh Kar = By repeatedly reading;

> Pandit=Knowledgeable one (true scholar); Bhayo Na Koye = No one

> becomes; Dhai = two and a half; Akshar = Alphabet (letters); Prem =

> Love; Prem Ke = of love; Jo = Whom so ever (the one); Padhe = reads;

> So = He; Pandit Hoye = Becomes the knowledgeable one.

> I don't know the meaning of the words - Jasg Mua. Some one please

> clarify this. May be Jyoti ji can shed more light on this.

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

> , " renunw " <renunw@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Jyothi,

> >

> > Kindly explain the meaning of the follwoing please...I am not

> > familiar with Sanskrit..though I understand a word or two here or

> > there..But frankly I am clueless of the overall meaning

> >

> > " Pothi Padh Padh Kar Jag Mua, Pandit Bhayo Na Koye

> > Dhai Akshar Prem Ke, Jo Padhe so Pandit Hoye "

> >

> > Thanks ...

> >

> > blessings

> >

> > Renu

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > --- In

, " jyothi_b_lakshmi "

> > <jyothilakshmi.b@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Renuji,

> > >

> > > What you have mentioned is a question that haunts the

subconcious

> > > mind of any person with a genuine spiritual quest. I wish, in

your

> > > mind,this question doesnt remain a question always. Some time

we

> > > need to get an answer.

> > >

> > > Better late than never to realise that

> > >

> > > " Pothi Padh Padh Kar Jag Mua, Pandit Bhayo Na Koye

> > > Dhai Akshar Prem Ke, Jo Padhe so Pandit Hoye "

> > >

> > > I have copied Kabir das' lines which we all have studied in

school.

> > > Hope every body knows the meaning and do not need an

explanation.

> > >

> > > I have always felt that whether it is astrology or philosophy,

one

> > > must leave everything at one point. People who have had the

> > > realisation has rightly said that " Use a thorn to remove the

thorn

> > > in your leg and leave both the thorns " .

> > >

> > > But we all are still keeping the thorn with us, I guess. And

> > > astrology is no exception.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Jyothi

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " renunw "

> > > <renunw@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> > > >

> > > > " Like Buddha said there are several questions that needs to be

> > > > > answered first; and till then several questions should

remain

> > > > > unanswered. Asking that questions prior to understanding the

> > > > primary

> > > > > would be turning to an erroneous path - and so actually some

> > > > > questions are there which should never be asked now. "

> > > >

> > > > Exactly. I totally agree with you. After all what should be

our

> > > real

> > > > aim in life? ...cessation of this vicious circle of life for

once

> > > > and for all.

> > > >

> > > > The question is not digging into the past would take us to our

> > > > ultimate objective in life, but whether digging into

> > ancient/modern

> > > > astrology would also lead us on the correct path???? Please

note

> > > > that I don't mean any insult here. Truly, Sreenadh ji, I

would

> > like

> > > > to know what is the purpose of learning all this astrology

too if

> > > > destiny, consequences of our past Karma is something we

rarely

> > [not

> > > > never] can change. Yes, even I am interested in astrology,

> > learning

> > > > it etc. etc. I too may be in an erroneous path, no doubt. It

has

> > > > become a hobby. But 'ups and downs with numerous behaviour

> > patterns

> > > > of planets' teach us or make us realize the reality in life.

> > Other

> > > > than that I cannot see anything which would contribute to our

> > > > ultimate goal or 'nirvana'. So it is not only digging into

the

> > past

> > > > but also predicting future would be a futile effort and a

waste

> > of

> > > > time. Is not it so????

> > > >

> > > > If you can express your view on this, you are mostly welcome.

> > > >

> > > > blessings

> > > >

> > > > Renu

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Jyothi ji,

 

That was a beautiful verse. Thanks....and ...I don't know Hindi

either.. other 10 or 20 words :(

 

blessings

 

Renu

 

, " jyothi_b_lakshmi "

<jyothi_b_lakshmi wrote:

>

> Dear Renuji,

>

> Even I do no know sanskrit. But this is hindi, local hindi(I donno

if

> there is any word for this kind of hindi).

>

> The meaning is:

>

> " Nobody becomes a pandit (read " becomes wise " ) by reading books.

Wise

> (pandits) are those who know the meaning of love. "

>

> To exaggerate the meaning " No point in reading any number of

books,

> unless you learn to love unconditionally (divine love) " )

>

> Regards,

> Jyothi

>

> I think I learnt this in 6th or 7th std. This is doha (two liner)

of

> the famous poet Kabir das.

>

> , " renunw "

> <renunw@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Jyothi,

> >

> > Kindly explain the meaning of the follwoing please...I am not

> > familiar with Sanskrit..though I understand a word or two here

or

> > there..But frankly I am clueless of the overall meaning

> >

> > " Pothi Padh Padh Kar Jag Mua, Pandit Bhayo Na Koye

> > Dhai Akshar Prem Ke, Jo Padhe so Pandit Hoye "

> >

> > Thanks ...

> >

> > blessings

> >

> > Renu

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > --- In

, " jyothi_b_lakshmi "

> > <jyothilakshmi.b@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Renuji,

> > >

> > > What you have mentioned is a question that haunts the

subconcious

> > > mind of any person with a genuine spiritual quest. I wish, in

> your

> > > mind,this question doesnt remain a question always. Some time

we

> > > need to get an answer.

> > >

> > > Better late than never to realise that

> > >

> > > " Pothi Padh Padh Kar Jag Mua, Pandit Bhayo Na Koye

> > > Dhai Akshar Prem Ke, Jo Padhe so Pandit Hoye "

> > >

> > > I have copied Kabir das' lines which we all have studied in

> school.

> > > Hope every body knows the meaning and do not need an

explanation.

> > >

> > > I have always felt that whether it is astrology or philosophy,

> one

> > > must leave everything at one point. People who have had the

> > > realisation has rightly said that " Use a thorn to remove the

> thorn

> > > in your leg and leave both the thorns " .

> > >

> > > But we all are still keeping the thorn with us, I guess. And

> > > astrology is no exception.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Jyothi

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " renunw "

> > > <renunw@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> > > >

> > > > " Like Buddha said there are several questions that needs to

be

> > > > > answered first; and till then several questions should

remain

> > > > > unanswered. Asking that questions prior to understanding

the

> > > > primary

> > > > > would be turning to an erroneous path - and so actually

some

> > > > > questions are there which should never be asked now. "

> > > >

> > > > Exactly. I totally agree with you. After all what should be

our

> > > real

> > > > aim in life? ...cessation of this vicious circle of life for

> once

> > > > and for all.

> > > >

> > > > The question is not digging into the past would take us to

our

> > > > ultimate objective in life, but whether digging into

> > ancient/modern

> > > > astrology would also lead us on the correct path???? Please

note

> > > > that I don't mean any insult here. Truly, Sreenadh ji, I

would

> > like

> > > > to know what is the purpose of learning all this astrology

too

> if

> > > > destiny, consequences of our past Karma is something we

rarely

> > [not

> > > > never] can change. Yes, even I am interested in astrology,

> > learning

> > > > it etc. etc. I too may be in an erroneous path, no doubt. It

has

> > > > become a hobby. But 'ups and downs with numerous behaviour

> > patterns

> > > > of planets' teach us or make us realize the reality in life.

> > Other

> > > > than that I cannot see anything which would contribute to our

> > > > ultimate goal or 'nirvana'. So it is not only digging into

the

> > past

> > > > but also predicting future would be a futile effort and a

waste

> > of

> > > > time. Is not it so????

> > > >

> > > > If you can express your view on this, you are mostly welcome.

> > > >

> > > > blessings

> > > >

> > > > Renu

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Vinita ji,

 

Thanks so much for the link to Bhakti Movement. I will surely go

through it

 

" Good to know that u are a Buddhist teacher. "

 

Let me correct you a little here. I am a Buddhist and a teacher to

young Buddhist monks. So I don't know whether it is correct to say

that I am a 'Buddhist teacher'. Basically Buddhist teachers are

Buddhist monks. Of course you get 'teachers for Buddhism' in schools

where Buddhism is a subject in the school curriculum. But just

because they teach Buddhism, they don't become true Buddhists. It is

practice what makes a true Buddhist. I suppose this rule is valid to

any other relgion as well.

 

blessings

 

Renu

>

 

 

 

 

-- In , " vinita kumar "

<shankar_mamta wrote:

>

> Dear Renuji,

>

> Kabir has always been a source of inspiration. Love is essential

to

> bhakti (devotion) and Kabir was a " frontrunner " in the bhakti

> movement, renuji.

>

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhakti_movement

>

> Good to know that u are a Buddhist teacher. i simply love koans.

>

> Love,

> vinita

>

>

>

> --- In

, " jyothi_b_lakshmi "

> <jyothi_b_lakshmi@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Renuji,

> >

> > Even I do no know sanskrit. But this is hindi, local hindi(I

donno

> if

> > there is any word for this kind of hindi).

> >

> > The meaning is:

> >

> > " Nobody becomes a pandit (read " becomes wise " ) by reading books.

> Wise

> > (pandits) are those who know the meaning of love. "

> >

> > To exaggerate the meaning " No point in reading any number of

> books,

> > unless you learn to love unconditionally (divine love) " )

> >

> > Regards,

> > Jyothi

> >

> > I think I learnt this in 6th or 7th std. This is doha (two

liner)

> of

> > the famous poet Kabir das.

> >

> > , " renunw "

> > <renunw@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Jyothi,

> > >

> > > Kindly explain the meaning of the follwoing please...I am not

> > > familiar with Sanskrit..though I understand a word or two here

> or

> > > there..But frankly I am clueless of the overall meaning

> > >

> > > " Pothi Padh Padh Kar Jag Mua, Pandit Bhayo Na Koye

> > > Dhai Akshar Prem Ke, Jo Padhe so Pandit Hoye "

> > >

> > > Thanks ...

> > >

> > > blessings

> > >

> > > Renu

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > --- In

> , " jyothi_b_lakshmi "

> > > <jyothilakshmi.b@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Renuji,

> > > >

> > > > What you have mentioned is a question that haunts the

> subconcious

> > > > mind of any person with a genuine spiritual quest. I wish,

in

> > your

> > > > mind,this question doesnt remain a question always. Some

time

> we

> > > > need to get an answer.

> > > >

> > > > Better late than never to realise that

> > > >

> > > > " Pothi Padh Padh Kar Jag Mua, Pandit Bhayo Na Koye

> > > > Dhai Akshar Prem Ke, Jo Padhe so Pandit Hoye "

> > > >

> > > > I have copied Kabir das' lines which we all have studied in

> > school.

> > > > Hope every body knows the meaning and do not need an

> explanation.

> > > >

> > > > I have always felt that whether it is astrology or

philosophy,

> > one

> > > > must leave everything at one point. People who have had the

> > > > realisation has rightly said that " Use a thorn to remove the

> > thorn

> > > > in your leg and leave both the thorns " .

> > > >

> > > > But we all are still keeping the thorn with us, I guess. And

> > > > astrology is no exception.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Jyothi

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " renunw "

> > > > <renunw@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > " Like Buddha said there are several questions that needs

to

> be

> > > > > > answered first; and till then several questions should

> remain

> > > > > > unanswered. Asking that questions prior to understanding

> the

> > > > > primary

> > > > > > would be turning to an erroneous path - and so actually

> some

> > > > > > questions are there which should never be asked now. "

> > > > >

> > > > > Exactly. I totally agree with you. After all what should

be

> our

> > > > real

> > > > > aim in life? ...cessation of this vicious circle of life

for

> > once

> > > > > and for all.

> > > > >

> > > > > The question is not digging into the past would take us to

> our

> > > > > ultimate objective in life, but whether digging into

> > > ancient/modern

> > > > > astrology would also lead us on the correct path????

Please

> note

> > > > > that I don't mean any insult here. Truly, Sreenadh ji, I

> would

> > > like

> > > > > to know what is the purpose of learning all this astrology

> too

> > if

> > > > > destiny, consequences of our past Karma is something we

> rarely

> > > [not

> > > > > never] can change. Yes, even I am interested in astrology,

> > > learning

> > > > > it etc. etc. I too may be in an erroneous path, no doubt.

It

> has

> > > > > become a hobby. But 'ups and downs with numerous behaviour

> > > patterns

> > > > > of planets' teach us or make us realize the reality in

life.

> > > Other

> > > > > than that I cannot see anything which would contribute to

our

> > > > > ultimate goal or 'nirvana'. So it is not only digging into

> the

> > > past

> > > > > but also predicting future would be a futile effort and a

> waste

> > > of

> > > > > time. Is not it so????

> > > > >

> > > > > If you can express your view on this, you are mostly

welcome.

> > > > >

> > > > > blessings

> > > > >

> > > > > Renu

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Sreenadh ji,

 

Thanks for your attempt. I think even Jyothi ji has given a similar

meaning. But why two and a half..[Dhai] ???? What is the

significance of such an odd number?

 

Anyway it is simply a lovely thought, which, if practised by

everyone, there would be much love and less hatred in this world

 

blessings

 

Renu

 

-- In , " Sreenadh "

<sreesog wrote:

>

> Dear Renu ji,

> I am just wonder struck at the quote - me too don't know much

> Sanskrit. But it seems that the quote you provided is the doha of

> Kabirdas or someone like that - learned ones please correct me in

> this. It is Old Hindi and not Sanskrit.

> > " Pothi Padh Padh Kar Jag Mua, Pandit Bhayo Na Koye

> > Dhai Akshar Prem Ke, Jo Padhe so Pandit Hoye "

> The approximate meaning of this quote is - " No one becomes (truly)

> knowledgeable by repeatedly reading (or memorizing) books. If some

one

> knows 2.5 letters (one or two letters) of Love, he is the true

> knowledgeable one "

> Dear learned ones, please provide the exact reference of this

verse

> (author and book) and the exact word by word meaning. I don't know

the

> meaning of all the words in that quote - the one I could understand

> are - Pothi = Book; Padh Padh Kar = By repeatedly reading;

> Pandit=Knowledgeable one (true scholar); Bhayo Na Koye = No one

> becomes; Dhai = two and a half; Akshar = Alphabet (letters); Prem =

> Love; Prem Ke = of love; Jo = Whom so ever (the one); Padhe =

reads;

> So = He; Pandit Hoye = Becomes the knowledgeable one.

> I don't know the meaning of the words - Jasg Mua. Some one

please

> clarify this. May be Jyoti ji can shed more light on this.

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

> , " renunw " <renunw@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Jyothi,

> >

> > Kindly explain the meaning of the follwoing please...I am not

> > familiar with Sanskrit..though I understand a word or two here

or

> > there..But frankly I am clueless of the overall meaning

> >

> > " Pothi Padh Padh Kar Jag Mua, Pandit Bhayo Na Koye

> > Dhai Akshar Prem Ke, Jo Padhe so Pandit Hoye "

> >

> > Thanks ...

> >

> > blessings

> >

> > Renu

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > --- In

, " jyothi_b_lakshmi "

> > <jyothilakshmi.b@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Renuji,

> > >

> > > What you have mentioned is a question that haunts the

subconcious

> > > mind of any person with a genuine spiritual quest. I wish, in

your

> > > mind,this question doesnt remain a question always. Some time

we

> > > need to get an answer.

> > >

> > > Better late than never to realise that

> > >

> > > " Pothi Padh Padh Kar Jag Mua, Pandit Bhayo Na Koye

> > > Dhai Akshar Prem Ke, Jo Padhe so Pandit Hoye "

> > >

> > > I have copied Kabir das' lines which we all have studied in

school.

> > > Hope every body knows the meaning and do not need an

explanation.

> > >

> > > I have always felt that whether it is astrology or philosophy,

one

> > > must leave everything at one point. People who have had the

> > > realisation has rightly said that " Use a thorn to remove the

thorn

> > > in your leg and leave both the thorns " .

> > >

> > > But we all are still keeping the thorn with us, I guess. And

> > > astrology is no exception.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Jyothi

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " renunw "

> > > <renunw@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> > > >

> > > > " Like Buddha said there are several questions that needs to

be

> > > > > answered first; and till then several questions should

remain

> > > > > unanswered. Asking that questions prior to understanding

the

> > > > primary

> > > > > would be turning to an erroneous path - and so actually

some

> > > > > questions are there which should never be asked now. "

> > > >

> > > > Exactly. I totally agree with you. After all what should be

our

> > > real

> > > > aim in life? ...cessation of this vicious circle of life for

once

> > > > and for all.

> > > >

> > > > The question is not digging into the past would take us to

our

> > > > ultimate objective in life, but whether digging into

> > ancient/modern

> > > > astrology would also lead us on the correct path???? Please

note

> > > > that I don't mean any insult here. Truly, Sreenadh ji, I

would

> > like

> > > > to know what is the purpose of learning all this astrology

too if

> > > > destiny, consequences of our past Karma is something we

rarely

> > [not

> > > > never] can change. Yes, even I am interested in astrology,

> > learning

> > > > it etc. etc. I too may be in an erroneous path, no doubt. It

has

> > > > become a hobby. But 'ups and downs with numerous behaviour

> > patterns

> > > > of planets' teach us or make us realize the reality in life.

> > Other

> > > > than that I cannot see anything which would contribute to our

> > > > ultimate goal or 'nirvana'. So it is not only digging into

the

> > past

> > > > but also predicting future would be a futile effort and a

waste

> > of

> > > > time. Is not it so????

> > > >

> > > > If you can express your view on this, you are mostly welcome.

> > > >

> > > > blessings

> > > >

> > > > Renu

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Vinita ji,

Thanks for the clarification.

Passing thought: Things that are non existent can not manifest. Even

dream are composed of only 'known' things. something non-existent or

not part of the ultimate base of the universe itself can not become

the center point of existence. Love and Consciousness are there at the

center of our worldly existence providing meaning to life itself.

Thus, it must be essentially integral part of the universe (the total

manifestation of the ultimate) itself. Thus love and consciousness

'exists' and there too at the center - as part of the essence! (of god

,man or universe!)

There are some similar other quotes as well - for example - the

quote with says that -

1)Mastering a single letter (mantra) is more than memorizing a

thousand books.

2)A drop of love is more valuable than the total knowledge provided

by many books.

3) No knowledge can help and life is useless if the consciousness it

at least terned for a moment towards god to the attainment of

enlightenment

and so on.

Note: Don't ask me to quote - I heard those quotes and forgot the

wordings - but similar quotes would be available to some one I hope.

Love,

Sreenadh

 

, " vinita kumar "

<shankar_mamta wrote:

>

> Dear Shreenadh,

>

> the translation of " jag " , u know, is " world " .

>

> " mua " is to be die / be destroyed.

>

> So maybe just reading books / " pothis " without learning two and a

> half ( " dhai " ) words ( " akshar " )of love is the death of us mortals?

>

> Also compare tomes / huge books/ pothis with just dhai akshar of

> love...the contrast is hilarious!

>

> i was moved by jyotiji's quote too, like u!

>

>

> , " Sreenadh "

> <sreesog@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Renu ji,

> > I am just wonder struck at the quote - me too don't know much

> > Sanskrit. But it seems that the quote you provided is the doha of

> > Kabirdas or someone like that - learned ones please correct me in

> > this. It is Old Hindi and not Sanskrit.

> > > " Pothi Padh Padh Kar Jag Mua, Pandit Bhayo Na Koye

> > > Dhai Akshar Prem Ke, Jo Padhe so Pandit Hoye "

> > The approximate meaning of this quote is - " No one becomes (truly)

> > knowledgeable by repeatedly reading (or memorizing) books. If some

> one

> > knows 2.5 letters (one or two letters) of Love, he is the true

> > knowledgeable one "

> > Dear learned ones, please provide the exact reference of this

> verse

> > (author and book) and the exact word by word meaning. I don't know

> the

> > meaning of all the words in that quote - the one I could understand

> > are - Pothi = Book; Padh Padh Kar = By repeatedly reading;

> > Pandit=Knowledgeable one (true scholar); Bhayo Na Koye = No one

> > becomes; Dhai = two and a half; Akshar = Alphabet (letters); Prem =

> > Love; Prem Ke = of love; Jo = Whom so ever (the one); Padhe =

> reads;

> > So = He; Pandit Hoye = Becomes the knowledgeable one.

> > I don't know the meaning of the words - Jasg Mua. Some one

> please

> > clarify this. May be Jyoti ji can shed more light on this.

> > Love,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > , " renunw " <renunw@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Jyothi,

> > >

> > > Kindly explain the meaning of the follwoing please...I am not

> > > familiar with Sanskrit..though I understand a word or two here

> or

> > > there..But frankly I am clueless of the overall meaning

> > >

> > > " Pothi Padh Padh Kar Jag Mua, Pandit Bhayo Na Koye

> > > Dhai Akshar Prem Ke, Jo Padhe so Pandit Hoye "

> > >

> > > Thanks ...

> > >

> > > blessings

> > >

> > > Renu

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > --- In

> , " jyothi_b_lakshmi "

> > > <jyothilakshmi.b@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Renuji,

> > > >

> > > > What you have mentioned is a question that haunts the

> subconcious

> > > > mind of any person with a genuine spiritual quest. I wish, in

> your

> > > > mind,this question doesnt remain a question always. Some time

> we

> > > > need to get an answer.

> > > >

> > > > Better late than never to realise that

> > > >

> > > > " Pothi Padh Padh Kar Jag Mua, Pandit Bhayo Na Koye

> > > > Dhai Akshar Prem Ke, Jo Padhe so Pandit Hoye "

> > > >

> > > > I have copied Kabir das' lines which we all have studied in

> school.

> > > > Hope every body knows the meaning and do not need an

> explanation.

> > > >

> > > > I have always felt that whether it is astrology or philosophy,

> one

> > > > must leave everything at one point. People who have had the

> > > > realisation has rightly said that " Use a thorn to remove the

> thorn

> > > > in your leg and leave both the thorns " .

> > > >

> > > > But we all are still keeping the thorn with us, I guess. And

> > > > astrology is no exception.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Jyothi

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " renunw "

> > > > <renunw@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > " Like Buddha said there are several questions that needs to

> be

> > > > > > answered first; and till then several questions should

> remain

> > > > > > unanswered. Asking that questions prior to understanding

> the

> > > > > primary

> > > > > > would be turning to an erroneous path - and so actually

> some

> > > > > > questions are there which should never be asked now. "

> > > > >

> > > > > Exactly. I totally agree with you. After all what should be

> our

> > > > real

> > > > > aim in life? ...cessation of this vicious circle of life for

> once

> > > > > and for all.

> > > > >

> > > > > The question is not digging into the past would take us to

> our

> > > > > ultimate objective in life, but whether digging into

> > > ancient/modern

> > > > > astrology would also lead us on the correct path???? Please

> note

> > > > > that I don't mean any insult here. Truly, Sreenadh ji, I

> would

> > > like

> > > > > to know what is the purpose of learning all this astrology

> too if

> > > > > destiny, consequences of our past Karma is something we

> rarely

> > > [not

> > > > > never] can change. Yes, even I am interested in astrology,

> > > learning

> > > > > it etc. etc. I too may be in an erroneous path, no doubt. It

> has

> > > > > become a hobby. But 'ups and downs with numerous behaviour

> > > patterns

> > > > > of planets' teach us or make us realize the reality in life.

> > > Other

> > > > > than that I cannot see anything which would contribute to our

> > > > > ultimate goal or 'nirvana'. So it is not only digging into

> the

> > > past

> > > > > but also predicting future would be a futile effort and a

> waste

> > > of

> > > > > time. Is not it so????

> > > > >

> > > > > If you can express your view on this, you are mostly welcome.

> > > > >

> > > > > blessings

> > > > >

> > > > > Renu

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Jyoti ji,

Thanks for the clarification.

Love,

Sreenadh

 

, " jyothi_b_lakshmi "

<jyothi_b_lakshmi wrote:

>

> Dear Srinadhji,

>

> Jag mua, if my understanding is correct is " left the world(jag) " ,

> means died. In short, people read and read books and finally died,

> but none of them became wise. I didnt give word to word meaning

> because that wont give the right meaning what is actually intended.

>

> I m not a pandit in Hindi either, but with my current knowledge and

> what our teachers taught, this is what I have understood.

>

> Regards,

> Jyothi

>

>

>

> , " Sreenadh "

> <sreesog@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Renu ji,

> > I am just wonder struck at the quote - me too don't know much

> > Sanskrit. But it seems that the quote you provided is the doha of

> > Kabirdas or someone like that - learned ones please correct me in

> > this. It is Old Hindi and not Sanskrit.

> > > " Pothi Padh Padh Kar Jag Mua, Pandit Bhayo Na Koye

> > > Dhai Akshar Prem Ke, Jo Padhe so Pandit Hoye "

> > The approximate meaning of this quote is - " No one becomes (truly)

> > knowledgeable by repeatedly reading (or memorizing) books. If some

> one

> > knows 2.5 letters (one or two letters) of Love, he is the true

> > knowledgeable one "

> > Dear learned ones, please provide the exact reference of this

> verse

> > (author and book) and the exact word by word meaning. I don't know

> the

> > meaning of all the words in that quote - the one I could understand

> > are - Pothi = Book; Padh Padh Kar = By repeatedly reading;

> > Pandit=Knowledgeable one (true scholar); Bhayo Na Koye = No one

> > becomes; Dhai = two and a half; Akshar = Alphabet (letters); Prem =

> > Love; Prem Ke = of love; Jo = Whom so ever (the one); Padhe = reads;

> > So = He; Pandit Hoye = Becomes the knowledgeable one.

> > I don't know the meaning of the words - Jasg Mua. Some one please

> > clarify this. May be Jyoti ji can shed more light on this.

> > Love,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > , " renunw " <renunw@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Jyothi,

> > >

> > > Kindly explain the meaning of the follwoing please...I am not

> > > familiar with Sanskrit..though I understand a word or two here or

> > > there..But frankly I am clueless of the overall meaning

> > >

> > > " Pothi Padh Padh Kar Jag Mua, Pandit Bhayo Na Koye

> > > Dhai Akshar Prem Ke, Jo Padhe so Pandit Hoye "

> > >

> > > Thanks ...

> > >

> > > blessings

> > >

> > > Renu

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > --- In

> , " jyothi_b_lakshmi "

> > > <jyothilakshmi.b@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Renuji,

> > > >

> > > > What you have mentioned is a question that haunts the

> subconcious

> > > > mind of any person with a genuine spiritual quest. I wish, in

> your

> > > > mind,this question doesnt remain a question always. Some time

> we

> > > > need to get an answer.

> > > >

> > > > Better late than never to realise that

> > > >

> > > > " Pothi Padh Padh Kar Jag Mua, Pandit Bhayo Na Koye

> > > > Dhai Akshar Prem Ke, Jo Padhe so Pandit Hoye "

> > > >

> > > > I have copied Kabir das' lines which we all have studied in

> school.

> > > > Hope every body knows the meaning and do not need an

> explanation.

> > > >

> > > > I have always felt that whether it is astrology or philosophy,

> one

> > > > must leave everything at one point. People who have had the

> > > > realisation has rightly said that " Use a thorn to remove the

> thorn

> > > > in your leg and leave both the thorns " .

> > > >

> > > > But we all are still keeping the thorn with us, I guess. And

> > > > astrology is no exception.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Jyothi

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " renunw "

> > > > <renunw@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > " Like Buddha said there are several questions that needs to be

> > > > > > answered first; and till then several questions should

> remain

> > > > > > unanswered. Asking that questions prior to understanding the

> > > > > primary

> > > > > > would be turning to an erroneous path - and so actually some

> > > > > > questions are there which should never be asked now. "

> > > > >

> > > > > Exactly. I totally agree with you. After all what should be

> our

> > > > real

> > > > > aim in life? ...cessation of this vicious circle of life for

> once

> > > > > and for all.

> > > > >

> > > > > The question is not digging into the past would take us to our

> > > > > ultimate objective in life, but whether digging into

> > > ancient/modern

> > > > > astrology would also lead us on the correct path???? Please

> note

> > > > > that I don't mean any insult here. Truly, Sreenadh ji, I

> would

> > > like

> > > > > to know what is the purpose of learning all this astrology

> too if

> > > > > destiny, consequences of our past Karma is something we

> rarely

> > > [not

> > > > > never] can change. Yes, even I am interested in astrology,

> > > learning

> > > > > it etc. etc. I too may be in an erroneous path, no doubt. It

> has

> > > > > become a hobby. But 'ups and downs with numerous behaviour

> > > patterns

> > > > > of planets' teach us or make us realize the reality in life.

> > > Other

> > > > > than that I cannot see anything which would contribute to our

> > > > > ultimate goal or 'nirvana'. So it is not only digging into

> the

> > > past

> > > > > but also predicting future would be a futile effort and a

> waste

> > > of

> > > > > time. Is not it so????

> > > > >

> > > > > If you can express your view on this, you are mostly welcome.

> > > > >

> > > > > blessings

> > > > >

> > > > > Renu

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Renuji,

 

I guess , it is because when we pronounce " Prem " , there is no " akar "

in it. Means, we say Prem and not Prema. In that way, the letter " Ma "

is incomplete, only half, as in " Hum " . " Pa " + " Re " + " M " - 2 and half

of Ma ). A wild guess. Only Kabir can say what he meant.

 

Regards,

jyothi

 

 

 

, " renunw "

<renunw wrote:

>

> Dear Sreenadh ji,

>

> Thanks for your attempt. I think even Jyothi ji has given a similar

> meaning. But why two and a half..[Dhai] ???? What is the

> significance of such an odd number?

>

> Anyway it is simply a lovely thought, which, if practised by

> everyone, there would be much love and less hatred in this world

>

> blessings

>

> Renu

>

> -- In , " Sreenadh "

> <sreesog@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Renu ji,

> > I am just wonder struck at the quote - me too don't know much

> > Sanskrit. But it seems that the quote you provided is the doha of

> > Kabirdas or someone like that - learned ones please correct me in

> > this. It is Old Hindi and not Sanskrit.

> > > " Pothi Padh Padh Kar Jag Mua, Pandit Bhayo Na Koye

> > > Dhai Akshar Prem Ke, Jo Padhe so Pandit Hoye "

> > The approximate meaning of this quote is - " No one becomes (truly)

> > knowledgeable by repeatedly reading (or memorizing) books. If

some

> one

> > knows 2.5 letters (one or two letters) of Love, he is the true

> > knowledgeable one "

> > Dear learned ones, please provide the exact reference of this

> verse

> > (author and book) and the exact word by word meaning. I don't

know

> the

> > meaning of all the words in that quote - the one I could

understand

> > are - Pothi = Book; Padh Padh Kar = By repeatedly reading;

> > Pandit=Knowledgeable one (true scholar); Bhayo Na Koye = No one

> > becomes; Dhai = two and a half; Akshar = Alphabet (letters); Prem

=

> > Love; Prem Ke = of love; Jo = Whom so ever (the one); Padhe =

> reads;

> > So = He; Pandit Hoye = Becomes the knowledgeable one.

> > I don't know the meaning of the words - Jasg Mua. Some one

> please

> > clarify this. May be Jyoti ji can shed more light on this.

> > Love,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > , " renunw "

<renunw@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Jyothi,

> > >

> > > Kindly explain the meaning of the follwoing please...I am not

> > > familiar with Sanskrit..though I understand a word or two here

> or

> > > there..But frankly I am clueless of the overall meaning

> > >

> > > " Pothi Padh Padh Kar Jag Mua, Pandit Bhayo Na Koye

> > > Dhai Akshar Prem Ke, Jo Padhe so Pandit Hoye "

> > >

> > > Thanks ...

> > >

> > > blessings

> > >

> > > Renu

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > --- In

> , " jyothi_b_lakshmi "

> > > <jyothilakshmi.b@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Renuji,

> > > >

> > > > What you have mentioned is a question that haunts the

> subconcious

> > > > mind of any person with a genuine spiritual quest. I wish, in

> your

> > > > mind,this question doesnt remain a question always. Some time

> we

> > > > need to get an answer.

> > > >

> > > > Better late than never to realise that

> > > >

> > > > " Pothi Padh Padh Kar Jag Mua, Pandit Bhayo Na Koye

> > > > Dhai Akshar Prem Ke, Jo Padhe so Pandit Hoye "

> > > >

> > > > I have copied Kabir das' lines which we all have studied in

> school.

> > > > Hope every body knows the meaning and do not need an

> explanation.

> > > >

> > > > I have always felt that whether it is astrology or

philosophy,

> one

> > > > must leave everything at one point. People who have had the

> > > > realisation has rightly said that " Use a thorn to remove the

> thorn

> > > > in your leg and leave both the thorns " .

> > > >

> > > > But we all are still keeping the thorn with us, I guess. And

> > > > astrology is no exception.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Jyothi

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " renunw "

> > > > <renunw@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > " Like Buddha said there are several questions that needs to

> be

> > > > > > answered first; and till then several questions should

> remain

> > > > > > unanswered. Asking that questions prior to understanding

> the

> > > > > primary

> > > > > > would be turning to an erroneous path - and so actually

> some

> > > > > > questions are there which should never be asked now. "

> > > > >

> > > > > Exactly. I totally agree with you. After all what should be

> our

> > > > real

> > > > > aim in life? ...cessation of this vicious circle of life

for

> once

> > > > > and for all.

> > > > >

> > > > > The question is not digging into the past would take us to

> our

> > > > > ultimate objective in life, but whether digging into

> > > ancient/modern

> > > > > astrology would also lead us on the correct path???? Please

> note

> > > > > that I don't mean any insult here. Truly, Sreenadh ji, I

> would

> > > like

> > > > > to know what is the purpose of learning all this astrology

> too if

> > > > > destiny, consequences of our past Karma is something we

> rarely

> > > [not

> > > > > never] can change. Yes, even I am interested in astrology,

> > > learning

> > > > > it etc. etc. I too may be in an erroneous path, no doubt.

It

> has

> > > > > become a hobby. But 'ups and downs with numerous behaviour

> > > patterns

> > > > > of planets' teach us or make us realize the reality in

life.

> > > Other

> > > > > than that I cannot see anything which would contribute to

our

> > > > > ultimate goal or 'nirvana'. So it is not only digging into

> the

> > > past

> > > > > but also predicting future would be a futile effort and a

> waste

> > > of

> > > > > time. Is not it so????

> > > > >

> > > > > If you can express your view on this, you are mostly

welcome.

> > > > >

> > > > > blessings

> > > > >

> > > > > Renu

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Vinita ji and Sreenadh ji,

 

Some teachings by Buddha applicalbe to anyone at anytime. Read

during your free time...There is only one kind of true

love....i.e. 'selfless love'

 

" Seek no intimacy with the beloved and also not with the unloved,

for not to see the beloved and to see the unloved, both are painful.

 

Therefore hold nothing dear, for separation from the dear is

painful. There are no bonds for those who have nothing beloved or

unloved.

 

From endearment springs grief, from endearment springs fear. From

him who is wholly free from endearment there is no grief, whence

then fear?

 

From affection springs grief, from affection springs fear. From him

who is wholly free from affection there is no grief, whence then

fear?

 

From attachment springs grief, from attachment springs fear. From

him who is wholly free from attachment there is no grief, whence

then fear?

 

From lust springs grief, from lust springs fear. From him who is

wholly free from craving there is no grief; whence then fear?

 

From craving springs grief, from craving springs fear. From him who

is wholly free from craving there is no grief; whence then fear? "

 

blessings

 

Renu

 

 

 

 

 

, " Sreenadh "

<sreesog wrote:

>

> Dear Vinita ji,

> Thanks for the clarification.

> Passing thought: Things that are non existent can not manifest.

Even

> dream are composed of only 'known' things. something non-existent

or

> not part of the ultimate base of the universe itself can not become

> the center point of existence. Love and Consciousness are there at

the

> center of our worldly existence providing meaning to life itself.

> Thus, it must be essentially integral part of the universe (the

total

> manifestation of the ultimate) itself. Thus love and consciousness

> 'exists' and there too at the center - as part of the essence! (of

god

> ,man or universe!)

> There are some similar other quotes as well - for example - the

> quote with says that -

> 1)Mastering a single letter (mantra) is more than memorizing a

> thousand books.

> 2)A drop of love is more valuable than the total knowledge

provided

> by many books.

> 3) No knowledge can help and life is useless if the consciousness

it

> at least terned for a moment towards god to the attainment of

> enlightenment

> and so on.

> Note: Don't ask me to quote - I heard those quotes and forgot the

> wordings - but similar quotes would be available to some one I

hope.

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

> , " vinita kumar "

> <shankar_mamta@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Shreenadh,

> >

> > the translation of " jag " , u know, is " world " .

> >

> > " mua " is to be die / be destroyed.

> >

> > So maybe just reading books / " pothis " without learning two and

a

> > half ( " dhai " ) words ( " akshar " )of love is the death of us mortals?

> >

> > Also compare tomes / huge books/ pothis with just dhai akshar of

> > love...the contrast is hilarious!

> >

> > i was moved by jyotiji's quote too, like u!

> >

> >

> > , " Sreenadh "

> > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Renu ji,

> > > I am just wonder struck at the quote - me too don't know much

> > > Sanskrit. But it seems that the quote you provided is the doha

of

> > > Kabirdas or someone like that - learned ones please correct me

in

> > > this. It is Old Hindi and not Sanskrit.

> > > > " Pothi Padh Padh Kar Jag Mua, Pandit Bhayo Na Koye

> > > > Dhai Akshar Prem Ke, Jo Padhe so Pandit Hoye "

> > > The approximate meaning of this quote is - " No one becomes

(truly)

> > > knowledgeable by repeatedly reading (or memorizing) books. If

some

> > one

> > > knows 2.5 letters (one or two letters) of Love, he is the true

> > > knowledgeable one "

> > > Dear learned ones, please provide the exact reference of

this

> > verse

> > > (author and book) and the exact word by word meaning. I don't

know

> > the

> > > meaning of all the words in that quote - the one I could

understand

> > > are - Pothi = Book; Padh Padh Kar = By repeatedly reading;

> > > Pandit=Knowledgeable one (true scholar); Bhayo Na Koye = No one

> > > becomes; Dhai = two and a half; Akshar = Alphabet (letters);

Prem =

> > > Love; Prem Ke = of love; Jo = Whom so ever (the one); Padhe =

> > reads;

> > > So = He; Pandit Hoye = Becomes the knowledgeable one.

> > > I don't know the meaning of the words - Jasg Mua. Some one

> > please

> > > clarify this. May be Jyoti ji can shed more light on this.

> > > Love,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

> > > , " renunw "

<renunw@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Jyothi,

> > > >

> > > > Kindly explain the meaning of the follwoing please...I am

not

> > > > familiar with Sanskrit..though I understand a word or two

here

> > or

> > > > there..But frankly I am clueless of the overall meaning

> > > >

> > > > " Pothi Padh Padh Kar Jag Mua, Pandit Bhayo Na Koye

> > > > Dhai Akshar Prem Ke, Jo Padhe so Pandit Hoye "

> > > >

> > > > Thanks ...

> > > >

> > > > blessings

> > > >

> > > > Renu

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > --- In

> > , " jyothi_b_lakshmi "

> > > > <jyothilakshmi.b@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Renuji,

> > > > >

> > > > > What you have mentioned is a question that haunts the

> > subconcious

> > > > > mind of any person with a genuine spiritual quest. I wish,

in

> > your

> > > > > mind,this question doesnt remain a question always. Some

time

> > we

> > > > > need to get an answer.

> > > > >

> > > > > Better late than never to realise that

> > > > >

> > > > > " Pothi Padh Padh Kar Jag Mua, Pandit Bhayo Na Koye

> > > > > Dhai Akshar Prem Ke, Jo Padhe so Pandit Hoye "

> > > > >

> > > > > I have copied Kabir das' lines which we all have studied

in

> > school.

> > > > > Hope every body knows the meaning and do not need an

> > explanation.

> > > > >

> > > > > I have always felt that whether it is astrology or

philosophy,

> > one

> > > > > must leave everything at one point. People who have had

the

> > > > > realisation has rightly said that " Use a thorn to remove

the

> > thorn

> > > > > in your leg and leave both the thorns " .

> > > > >

> > > > > But we all are still keeping the thorn with us, I guess.

And

> > > > > astrology is no exception.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Jyothi

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , " renunw "

> > > > > <renunw@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " Like Buddha said there are several questions that needs

to

> > be

> > > > > > > answered first; and till then several questions should

> > remain

> > > > > > > unanswered. Asking that questions prior to

understanding

> > the

> > > > > > primary

> > > > > > > would be turning to an erroneous path - and so

actually

> > some

> > > > > > > questions are there which should never be asked now. "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Exactly. I totally agree with you. After all what should

be

> > our

> > > > > real

> > > > > > aim in life? ...cessation of this vicious circle of life

for

> > once

> > > > > > and for all.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The question is not digging into the past would take us

to

> > our

> > > > > > ultimate objective in life, but whether digging into

> > > > ancient/modern

> > > > > > astrology would also lead us on the correct path????

Please

> > note

> > > > > > that I don't mean any insult here. Truly, Sreenadh ji, I

> > would

> > > > like

> > > > > > to know what is the purpose of learning all this

astrology

> > too if

> > > > > > destiny, consequences of our past Karma is something we

> > rarely

> > > > [not

> > > > > > never] can change. Yes, even I am interested in

astrology,

> > > > learning

> > > > > > it etc. etc. I too may be in an erroneous path, no

doubt. It

> > has

> > > > > > become a hobby. But 'ups and downs with numerous

behaviour

> > > > patterns

> > > > > > of planets' teach us or make us realize the reality in

life.

> > > > Other

> > > > > > than that I cannot see anything which would contribute

to our

> > > > > > ultimate goal or 'nirvana'. So it is not only digging

into

> > the

> > > > past

> > > > > > but also predicting future would be a futile effort and

a

> > waste

> > > > of

> > > > > > time. Is not it so????

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If you can express your view on this, you are mostly

welcome.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > blessings

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Renu

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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Dear Jyothi ji,

 

Thanks once again.

 

blessings

 

Renu

 

, " jyothi_b_lakshmi "

<jyothi_b_lakshmi wrote:

>

> Dear Renuji,

>

> I guess , it is because when we pronounce " Prem " , there is

no " akar "

> in it. Means, we say Prem and not Prema. In that way, the

letter " Ma "

> is incomplete, only half, as in " Hum " . " Pa " + " Re " + " M " - 2 and

half

> of Ma ). A wild guess. Only Kabir can say what he meant.

>

> Regards,

> jyothi

>

>

>

> , " renunw "

> <renunw@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> >

> > Thanks for your attempt. I think even Jyothi ji has given a

similar

> > meaning. But why two and a half..[Dhai] ???? What is the

> > significance of such an odd number?

> >

> > Anyway it is simply a lovely thought, which, if practised by

> > everyone, there would be much love and less hatred in this

world

> >

> > blessings

> >

> > Renu

> >

> > -- In , " Sreenadh "

> > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Renu ji,

> > > I am just wonder struck at the quote - me too don't know much

> > > Sanskrit. But it seems that the quote you provided is the doha

of

> > > Kabirdas or someone like that - learned ones please correct me

in

> > > this. It is Old Hindi and not Sanskrit.

> > > > " Pothi Padh Padh Kar Jag Mua, Pandit Bhayo Na Koye

> > > > Dhai Akshar Prem Ke, Jo Padhe so Pandit Hoye "

> > > The approximate meaning of this quote is - " No one becomes

(truly)

> > > knowledgeable by repeatedly reading (or memorizing) books. If

> some

> > one

> > > knows 2.5 letters (one or two letters) of Love, he is the true

> > > knowledgeable one "

> > > Dear learned ones, please provide the exact reference of

this

> > verse

> > > (author and book) and the exact word by word meaning. I don't

> know

> > the

> > > meaning of all the words in that quote - the one I could

> understand

> > > are - Pothi = Book; Padh Padh Kar = By repeatedly reading;

> > > Pandit=Knowledgeable one (true scholar); Bhayo Na Koye = No one

> > > becomes; Dhai = two and a half; Akshar = Alphabet (letters);

Prem

> =

> > > Love; Prem Ke = of love; Jo = Whom so ever (the one); Padhe =

> > reads;

> > > So = He; Pandit Hoye = Becomes the knowledgeable one.

> > > I don't know the meaning of the words - Jasg Mua. Some one

> > please

> > > clarify this. May be Jyoti ji can shed more light on this.

> > > Love,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

> > > , " renunw "

> <renunw@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Jyothi,

> > > >

> > > > Kindly explain the meaning of the follwoing please...I am

not

> > > > familiar with Sanskrit..though I understand a word or two

here

> > or

> > > > there..But frankly I am clueless of the overall meaning

> > > >

> > > > " Pothi Padh Padh Kar Jag Mua, Pandit Bhayo Na Koye

> > > > Dhai Akshar Prem Ke, Jo Padhe so Pandit Hoye "

> > > >

> > > > Thanks ...

> > > >

> > > > blessings

> > > >

> > > > Renu

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > --- In

> > , " jyothi_b_lakshmi "

> > > > <jyothilakshmi.b@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Renuji,

> > > > >

> > > > > What you have mentioned is a question that haunts the

> > subconcious

> > > > > mind of any person with a genuine spiritual quest. I wish,

in

> > your

> > > > > mind,this question doesnt remain a question always. Some

time

> > we

> > > > > need to get an answer.

> > > > >

> > > > > Better late than never to realise that

> > > > >

> > > > > " Pothi Padh Padh Kar Jag Mua, Pandit Bhayo Na Koye

> > > > > Dhai Akshar Prem Ke, Jo Padhe so Pandit Hoye "

> > > > >

> > > > > I have copied Kabir das' lines which we all have studied

in

> > school.

> > > > > Hope every body knows the meaning and do not need an

> > explanation.

> > > > >

> > > > > I have always felt that whether it is astrology or

> philosophy,

> > one

> > > > > must leave everything at one point. People who have had

the

> > > > > realisation has rightly said that " Use a thorn to remove

the

> > thorn

> > > > > in your leg and leave both the thorns " .

> > > > >

> > > > > But we all are still keeping the thorn with us, I guess.

And

> > > > > astrology is no exception.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Jyothi

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , " renunw "

> > > > > <renunw@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " Like Buddha said there are several questions that needs

to

> > be

> > > > > > > answered first; and till then several questions should

> > remain

> > > > > > > unanswered. Asking that questions prior to

understanding

> > the

> > > > > > primary

> > > > > > > would be turning to an erroneous path - and so

actually

> > some

> > > > > > > questions are there which should never be asked now. "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Exactly. I totally agree with you. After all what should

be

> > our

> > > > > real

> > > > > > aim in life? ...cessation of this vicious circle of life

> for

> > once

> > > > > > and for all.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The question is not digging into the past would take us

to

> > our

> > > > > > ultimate objective in life, but whether digging into

> > > > ancient/modern

> > > > > > astrology would also lead us on the correct path????

Please

> > note

> > > > > > that I don't mean any insult here. Truly, Sreenadh ji, I

> > would

> > > > like

> > > > > > to know what is the purpose of learning all this

astrology

> > too if

> > > > > > destiny, consequences of our past Karma is something we

> > rarely

> > > > [not

> > > > > > never] can change. Yes, even I am interested in

astrology,

> > > > learning

> > > > > > it etc. etc. I too may be in an erroneous path, no

doubt.

> It

> > has

> > > > > > become a hobby. But 'ups and downs with numerous

behaviour

> > > > patterns

> > > > > > of planets' teach us or make us realize the reality in

> life.

> > > > Other

> > > > > > than that I cannot see anything which would contribute

to

> our

> > > > > > ultimate goal or 'nirvana'. So it is not only digging

into

> > the

> > > > past

> > > > > > but also predicting future would be a futile effort and

a

> > waste

> > > > of

> > > > > > time. Is not it so????

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If you can express your view on this, you are mostly

> welcome.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > blessings

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Renu

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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Dear Sirs, Why Sri Kabir has said as 2.5. Kabir is a great Bhakta of Sri Rama . Rama Nama is Taraka Nama. Raa--Ma i.e two and half matras as per Sabdha Sastra. Kabir was initiated in to Sri Rama Taraka Mantra by hisGuru Sri Swami Ramananda as per his byagraphy in Bhakta Vijaya. Hari.Venkataraman jyothi_b_lakshmi <jyothi_b_lakshmi wrote: Dear Renuji,I guess , it is because when we pronounce "Prem", there is no "akar" in it. Means, we say Prem and not Prema. In that way, the letter "Ma" is incomplete, only half, as in "Hum". "Pa" + "Re" + "M" - 2 and half of Ma ). A wild guess. Only Kabir can say what he meant. :)Regards,jyothi , "renunw" <renunw wrote:>> Dear Sreenadh ji,> > Thanks for your attempt. I think even Jyothi ji has given a similar > meaning. But why two and a half..[Dhai] ???? What is the > significance of such an odd number?> > Anyway it is simply a lovely thought, which, if practised by > everyone, there would be much love and less hatred in this world > > blessings> > Renu> > -- In , "Sreenadh" > <sreesog@> wrote:> >> > Dear Renu ji,> > I am just wonder struck at the quote - me too don't know much> > Sanskrit. But it seems that the quote you provided is the doha of> > Kabirdas or someone like that - learned ones please correct me in> > this. It is Old Hindi and not Sanskrit. > > > "Pothi Padh Padh Kar Jag Mua, Pandit Bhayo Na Koye> > > Dhai Akshar Prem Ke, Jo Padhe so Pandit Hoye"> > The approximate meaning of this quote is - "No one becomes (truly)> > knowledgeable by repeatedly reading (or memorizing) books. If some > one> > knows 2.5 letters (one or two letters) of Love, he is the true> > knowledgeable one" > > Dear learned ones, please provide the exact reference of this

> verse> > (author and book) and the exact word by word meaning. I don't know > the> > meaning of all the words in that quote - the one I could understand> > are - Pothi = Book; Padh Padh Kar = By repeatedly reading;> > Pandit=Knowledgeable one (true scholar); Bhayo Na Koye = No one> > becomes; Dhai = two and a half; Akshar = Alphabet (letters); Prem => > Love; Prem Ke = of love; Jo = Whom so ever (the one); Padhe = > reads;> > So = He; Pandit Hoye = Becomes the knowledgeable one. > > I don't know the meaning of the words - Jasg Mua. Some one > please> > clarify this. May be Jyoti ji can shed more light on this.> > Love,> > Sreenadh> > > > , "renunw" <renunw@>>

> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Jyothi,> > > > > > Kindly explain the meaning of the follwoing please...I am not > > > familiar with Sanskrit..though I understand a word or two here > or > > > there..But frankly I am clueless of the overall meaning > > > > > > "Pothi Padh Padh Kar Jag Mua, Pandit Bhayo Na Koye> > > Dhai Akshar Prem Ke, Jo Padhe so Pandit Hoye"> > > > > > Thanks ...> > > > > > blessings> > > > > > Renu> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "jyothi_b_lakshmi" > > > <jyothilakshmi.b@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear

Renuji,> > > > > > > > What you have mentioned is a question that haunts the > subconcious > > > > mind of any person with a genuine spiritual quest. I wish, in > your > > > > mind,this question doesnt remain a question always. Some time > we > > > > need to get an answer. > > > > > > > > Better late than never to realise that > > > > > > > > "Pothi Padh Padh Kar Jag Mua, Pandit Bhayo Na Koye> > > > Dhai Akshar Prem Ke, Jo Padhe so Pandit Hoye" > > > > > > > > I have copied Kabir das' lines which we all have studied in > school.> > > > Hope every body knows the meaning and do not need an > explanation.> > > > > > > > I have always felt that whether it is astrology or philosophy, > one

> > > > must leave everything at one point. People who have had the > > > > realisation has rightly said that "Use a thorn to remove the > thorn > > > > in your leg and leave both the thorns".> > > > > > > > But we all are still keeping the thorn with us, I guess. And > > > > astrology is no exception. > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > Jyothi> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "renunw" > > > > <renunw@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > > > > > > > > > "Like Buddha said there are several questions that needs to

> be> > > > > > answered first; and till then several questions should > remain> > > > > > unanswered. Asking that questions prior to understanding > the> > > > > primary> > > > > > would be turning to an erroneous path - and so actually > some> > > > > > questions are there which should never be asked now."> > > > > > > > > > Exactly. I totally agree with you. After all what should be > our > > > > real> > > > > aim in life? ...cessation of this vicious circle of life for > once> > > > > and for all.> > > > > > > > > > The question is not digging into the past would take us to > our> > > > > ultimate objective in life, but whether digging into > > >

ancient/modern> > > > > astrology would also lead us on the correct path???? Please > note> > > > > that I don't mean any insult here. Truly, Sreenadh ji, I > would > > > like> > > > > to know what is the purpose of learning all this astrology > too if> > > > > destiny, consequences of our past Karma is something we > rarely > > > [not> > > > > never] can change. Yes, even I am interested in astrology, > > > learning> > > > > it etc. etc. I too may be in an erroneous path, no doubt. It > has> > > > > become a hobby. But 'ups and downs with numerous behaviour > > > patterns> > > > > of planets' teach us or make us realize the reality in life. > > > Other> > > > > than that I cannot see anything which

would contribute to our> > > > > ultimate goal or 'nirvana'. So it is not only digging into > the > > > past> > > > > but also predicting future would be a futile effort and a > waste > > > of> > > > > time. Is not it so????> > > > > > > > > > If you can express your view on this, you are mostly welcome.> > > > > > > > > > blessings> > > > > > > > > > Renu> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

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Hi

Meaning of "Akshar" is letter not word.

 

Thanks and regards

sanjay

 

-

vinita kumar

Saturday, December 01, 2007 1:39 PM

Re: Seventh house and past life? (To renuji)

 

 

Dear Shreenadh,the translation of "jag", u know, is "world". "mua" is to be die / be destroyed.So maybe just reading books / "pothis" without learning two and a half ("dhai") words ("akshar")of love is the death of us mortals?Also compare tomes / huge books/ pothis with just dhai akshar of love...the contrast is hilarious!i was moved by jyotiji's quote too, like u! , "Sreenadh" <sreesog wrote:>> Dear Renu ji,> I am just wonder struck at the quote - me too don't know much> Sanskrit. But it seems that the quote you provided is the doha of> Kabirdas or someone like that - learned ones please correct me in> this. It is Old Hindi and not Sanskrit. > > "Pothi Padh Padh Kar Jag Mua, Pandit Bhayo Na Koye> > Dhai Akshar Prem Ke, Jo Padhe so Pandit Hoye"> The approximate meaning of this quote is - "No one becomes (truly)> knowledgeable by repeatedly reading (or memorizing) books. If some one> knows 2.5 letters (one or two letters) of Love, he is the true> knowledgeable one" > Dear learned ones, please provide the exact reference of this verse> (author and book) and the exact word by word meaning. I don't know the> meaning of all the words in that quote - the one I could understand> are - Pothi = Book; Padh Padh Kar = By repeatedly reading;> Pandit=Knowledgeable one (true scholar); Bhayo Na Koye = No one> becomes; Dhai = two and a half; Akshar = Alphabet (letters); Prem => Love; Prem Ke = of love; Jo = Whom so ever (the one); Padhe = reads;> So = He; Pandit Hoye = Becomes the knowledgeable one. > I don't know the meaning of the words - Jasg Mua. Some one please> clarify this. May be Jyoti ji can shed more light on this.> Love,> Sreenadh> > , "renunw" <renunw@>> wrote:> >> > Dear Jyothi,> > > > Kindly explain the meaning of the follwoing please...I am not > > familiar with Sanskrit..though I understand a word or two here or > > there..But frankly I am clueless of the overall meaning > > > > "Pothi Padh Padh Kar Jag Mua, Pandit Bhayo Na Koye> > Dhai Akshar Prem Ke, Jo Padhe so Pandit Hoye"> > > > Thanks ...> > > > blessings> > > > Renu> > > > > > > > > > , "jyothi_b_lakshmi" > > <jyothilakshmi.b@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Renuji,> > > > > > What you have mentioned is a question that haunts the subconcious > > > mind of any person with a genuine spiritual quest. I wish, in your > > > mind,this question doesnt remain a question always. Some time we > > > need to get an answer. > > > > > > Better late than never to realise that > > > > > > "Pothi Padh Padh Kar Jag Mua, Pandit Bhayo Na Koye> > > Dhai Akshar Prem Ke, Jo Padhe so Pandit Hoye" > > > > > > I have copied Kabir das' lines which we all have studied in school.> > > Hope every body knows the meaning and do not need an explanation.> > > > > > I have always felt that whether it is astrology or philosophy, one > > > must leave everything at one point. People who have had the > > > realisation has rightly said that "Use a thorn to remove the thorn > > > in your leg and leave both the thorns".> > > > > > But we all are still keeping the thorn with us, I guess. And > > > astrology is no exception. > > > > > > Regards,> > > Jyothi> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "renunw" > > > <renunw@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > > > > > > > "Like Buddha said there are several questions that needs to be> > > > > answered first; and till then several questions should remain> > > > > unanswered. Asking that questions prior to understanding the> > > > primary> > > > > would be turning to an erroneous path - and so actually some> > > > > questions are there which should never be asked now."> > > > > > > > Exactly. I totally agree with you. After all what should be our > > > real> > > > aim in life? ...cessation of this vicious circle of life for once> > > > and for all.> > > > > > > > The question is not digging into the past would take us to our> > > > ultimate objective in life, but whether digging into > > ancient/modern> > > > astrology would also lead us on the correct path???? Please note> > > > that I don't mean any insult here. Truly, Sreenadh ji, I would > > like> > > > to know what is the purpose of learning all this astrology too if> > > > destiny, consequences of our past Karma is something we rarely > > [not> > > > never] can change. Yes, even I am interested in astrology, > > learning> > > > it etc. etc. I too may be in an erroneous path, no doubt. It has> > > > become a hobby. But 'ups and downs with numerous behaviour > > patterns> > > > of planets' teach us or make us realize the reality in life. > > Other> > > > than that I cannot see anything which would contribute to our> > > > ultimate goal or 'nirvana'. So it is not only digging into the > > past> > > > but also predicting future would be a futile effort and a waste > > of> > > > time. Is not it so????> > > > > > > > If you can express your view on this, you are mostly welcome.> > > > > > > > blessings> > > > > > > > Renu> > > >> > >> >>

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Dear Venkatraman,

 

Would you please let us know according to which sada shastra, Raa-ma

is 2.5 akshars? As I understand it should be 2 Ra+Ma.

 

Regards

Sarajit

 

 

 

On Dec 1, 2007 11:03 PM, Venkataraman Hari

<venkataraman_hari wrote:

>

>

>

>

> Dear Sirs,

> Why Sri Kabir has said as 2.5. Kabir is a great Bhakta of Sri

> Rama . Rama Nama is Taraka Nama. Raa--Ma i.e two and half matras as per

> Sabdha Sastra. Kabir was initiated in to Sri Rama Taraka Mantra by hisGuru

> Sri Swami Ramananda as per his byagraphy in Bhakta Vijaya.

>

> Hari.Venkataraman

>

jyothi_b_lakshmi <jyothi_b_lakshmi wrote:

>

> Dear Renuji,

>

> I guess , it is because when we pronounce " Prem " , there is no " akar "

> in it. Means, we say Prem and not Prema. In that way, the letter " Ma "

> is incomplete, only half, as in " Hum " . " Pa " + " Re " + " M " - 2 and half

> of Ma ). A wild guess. Only Kabir can say what he meant.

>

> Regards,

> jyothi

>

> , " renunw "

> <renunw wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> >

> > Thanks for your attempt. I think even Jyothi ji has given a similar

> > meaning. But why two and a half..[Dhai] ???? What is the

> > significance of such an odd number?

> >

> > Anyway it is simply a lovely thought, which, if practised by

> > everyone, there would be much love and less hatred in this world

> >

> > blessings

> >

> > Renu

> >

> > -- In , " Sreenadh "

> > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Renu ji,

> > > I am just wonder struck at the quote - me too don't know much

> > > Sanskrit. But it seems that the quote you provided is the doha of

> > > Kabirdas or someone like that - learned ones please correct me in

> > > this. It is Old Hindi and not Sanskrit.

> > > > " Pothi Padh Padh Kar Jag Mua, Pandit Bhayo Na Koye

> > > > Dhai Akshar Prem Ke, Jo Padhe so Pandit Hoye "

> > > The approximate meaning of this quote is - " No one becomes (truly)

> > > knowledgeable by repeatedly reading (or memorizing) books. If

> some

> > one

> > > knows 2.5 letters (one or two letters) of Love, he is the true

> > > knowledgeable one "

> > > Dear learned ones, please provide the exact reference of this

> > verse

> > > (author and book) and the exact word by word meaning. I don't

> know

> > the

> > > meaning of all the words in that quote - the one I could

> understand

> > > are - Pothi = Book; Padh Padh Kar = By repeatedly reading;

> > > Pandit=Knowledgeable one (true scholar); Bhayo Na Koye = No one

> > > becomes; Dhai = two and a half; Akshar = Alphabet (letters); Prem

> =

> > > Love; Prem Ke = of love; Jo = Whom so ever (the one); Padhe =

> > reads;

> > > So = He; Pandit Hoye = Becomes the knowledgeable one.

> > > I don't know the meaning of the words - Jasg Mua. Some one

> > please

> > > clarify this. May be Jyoti ji can shed more light on this.

> > > Love,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

> > > , " renunw "

> <renunw@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Jyothi,

> > > >

> > > > Kindly explain the meaning of the follwoing please...I am not

> > > > familiar with Sanskrit..though I understand a word or two here

> > or

> > > > there..But frankly I am clueless of the overall meaning

> > > >

> > > > " Pothi Padh Padh Kar Jag Mua, Pandit Bhayo Na Koye

> > > > Dhai Akshar Prem Ke, Jo Padhe so Pandit Hoye "

> > > >

> > > > Thanks ...

> > > >

> > > > blessings

> > > >

> > > > Renu

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > --- In

> > , " jyothi_b_lakshmi "

> > > > <jyothilakshmi.b@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Renuji,

> > > > >

> > > > > What you have mentioned is a question that haunts the

> > subconcious

> > > > > mind of any person with a genuine spiritual quest. I wish, in

> > your

> > > > > mind,this question doesnt remain a question always. Some time

> > we

> > > > > need to get an answer.

> > > > >

> > > > > Better late than never to realise that

> > > > >

> > > > > " Pothi Padh Padh Kar Jag Mua, Pandit Bhayo Na Koye

> > > > > Dhai Akshar Prem Ke, Jo Padhe so Pandit Hoye "

> > > > >

> > > > > I have copied Kabir das' lines which we all have studied in

> > school.

> > > > > Hope every body knows the meaning and do not need an

> > explanation.

> > > > >

> > > > > I have always felt that whether it is astrology or

> philosophy,

> > one

> > > > > must leave everything at one point. People who have had the

> > > > > realisation has rightly said that " Use a thorn to remove the

> > thorn

> > > > > in your leg and leave both the thorns " .

> > > > >

> > > > > But we all are still keeping the thorn with us, I guess. And

> > > > > astrology is no exception.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Jyothi

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , " renunw "

> > > > > <renunw@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " Like Buddha said there are several questions that needs to

> > be

> > > > > > > answered first; and till then several questions should

> > remain

> > > > > > > unanswered. Asking that questions prior to understanding

> > the

> > > > > > primary

> > > > > > > would be turning to an erroneous path - and so actually

> > some

> > > > > > > questions are there which should never be asked now. "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Exactly. I totally agree with you. After all what should be

> > our

> > > > > real

> > > > > > aim in life? ...cessation of this vicious circle of life

> for

> > once

> > > > > > and for all.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The question is not digging into the past would take us to

> > our

> > > > > > ultimate objective in life, but whether digging into

> > > > ancient/modern

> > > > > > astrology would also lead us on the correct path???? Please

> > note

> > > > > > that I don't mean any insult here. Truly, Sreenadh ji, I

> > would

> > > > like

> > > > > > to know what is the purpose of learning all this astrology

> > too if

> > > > > > destiny, consequences of our past Karma is something we

> > rarely

> > > > [not

> > > > > > never] can change. Yes, even I am interested in astrology,

> > > > learning

> > > > > > it etc. etc. I too may be in an erroneous path, no doubt.

> It

> > has

> > > > > > become a hobby. But 'ups and downs with numerous behaviour

> > > > patterns

> > > > > > of planets' teach us or make us realize the reality in

> life.

> > > > Other

> > > > > > than that I cannot see anything which would contribute to

> our

> > > > > > ultimate goal or 'nirvana'. So it is not only digging into

> > the

> > > > past

> > > > > > but also predicting future would be a futile effort and a

> > waste

> > > > of

> > > > > > time. Is not it so????

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If you can express your view on this, you are mostly

> welcome.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > blessings

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Renu

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> Sent from - the World's favourite mail.

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

--

Best Wishes

Sarajit Poddar

[Guest guest]

Hi Sanjay,

 

Askshar means something which does not diminish with time ( " a " means

not and " kshar " means to diminish/ die). So it means something which

is ever existent.

 

Regards

Sarajit

 

On Dec 2, 2007 3:11 AM, Sanjay Sinha <sanjaykrsinhain wrote:

>

>

>

>

> Hi

> Meaning of " Akshar " is letter not word.

>

> Thanks and regards

> sanjay

> -

> vinita kumar

>

> Saturday, December 01, 2007 1:39 PM

> Re: Seventh house and past life? (To

> renuji)

>

>

>

> Dear Shreenadh,

>

> the translation of " jag " , u know, is " world " .

>

> " mua " is to be die / be destroyed.

>

> So maybe just reading books / " pothis " without learning two and a

> half ( " dhai " ) words ( " akshar " )of love is the death of us mortals?

>

> Also compare tomes / huge books/ pothis with just dhai akshar of

> love...the contrast is hilarious!

>

> i was moved by jyotiji's quote too, like u!

>

> , " Sreenadh "

>

>

> <sreesog wrote:

> >

> > Dear Renu ji,

> > I am just wonder struck at the quote - me too don't know much

> > Sanskrit. But it seems that the quote you provided is the doha of

> > Kabirdas or someone like that - learned ones please correct me in

> > this. It is Old Hindi and not Sanskrit.

> > > " Pothi Padh Padh Kar Jag Mua, Pandit Bhayo Na Koye

> > > Dhai Akshar Prem Ke, Jo Padhe so Pandit Hoye "

> > The approximate meaning of this quote is - " No one becomes (truly)

> > knowledgeable by repeatedly reading (or memorizing) books. If some

> one

> > knows 2.5 letters (one or two letters) of Love, he is the true

> > knowledgeable one "

> > Dear learned ones, please provide the exact reference of this

> verse

> > (author and book) and the exact word by word meaning. I don't know

> the

> > meaning of all the words in that quote - the one I could understand

> > are - Pothi = Book; Padh Padh Kar = By repeatedly reading;

> > Pandit=Knowledgeable one (true scholar); Bhayo Na Koye = No one

> > becomes; Dhai = two and a half; Akshar = Alphabet (letters); Prem =

> > Love; Prem Ke = of love; Jo = Whom so ever (the one); Padhe =

> reads;

> > So = He; Pandit Hoye = Becomes the knowledgeable one.

> > I don't know the meaning of the words - Jasg Mua. Some one

> please

> > clarify this. May be Jyoti ji can shed more light on this.

> > Love,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > , " renunw " <renunw@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Jyothi,

> > >

> > > Kindly explain the meaning of the follwoing please...I am not

> > > familiar with Sanskrit..though I understand a word or two here

> or

> > > there..But frankly I am clueless of the overall meaning

> > >

> > > " Pothi Padh Padh Kar Jag Mua, Pandit Bhayo Na Koye

> > > Dhai Akshar Prem Ke, Jo Padhe so Pandit Hoye "

> > >

> > > Thanks ...

> > >

> > > blessings

> > >

> > > Renu

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > --- In

> , " jyothi_b_lakshmi "

> > > <jyothilakshmi.b@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Renuji,

> > > >

> > > > What you have mentioned is a question that haunts the

> subconcious

> > > > mind of any person with a genuine spiritual quest. I wish, in

> your

> > > > mind,this question doesnt remain a question always. Some time

> we

> > > > need to get an answer.

> > > >

> > > > Better late than never to realise that

> > > >

> > > > " Pothi Padh Padh Kar Jag Mua, Pandit Bhayo Na Koye

> > > > Dhai Akshar Prem Ke, Jo Padhe so Pandit Hoye "

> > > >

> > > > I have copied Kabir das' lines which we all have studied in

> school.

> > > > Hope every body knows the meaning and do not need an

> explanation.

> > > >

> > > > I have always felt that whether it is astrology or philosophy,

> one

> > > > must leave everything at one point. People who have had the

> > > > realisation has rightly said that " Use a thorn to remove the

> thorn

> > > > in your leg and leave both the thorns " .

> > > >

> > > > But we all are still keeping the thorn with us, I guess. And

> > > > astrology is no exception.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Jyothi

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " renunw "

> > > > <renunw@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > " Like Buddha said there are several questions that needs to

> be

> > > > > > answered first; and till then several questions should

> remain

> > > > > > unanswered. Asking that questions prior to understanding

> the

> > > > > primary

> > > > > > would be turning to an erroneous path - and so actually

> some

> > > > > > questions are there which should never be asked now. "

> > > > >

> > > > > Exactly. I totally agree with you. After all what should be

> our

> > > > real

> > > > > aim in life? ...cessation of this vicious circle of life for

> once

> > > > > and for all.

> > > > >

> > > > > The question is not digging into the past would take us to

> our

> > > > > ultimate objective in life, but whether digging into

> > > ancient/modern

> > > > > astrology would also lead us on the correct path???? Please

> note

> > > > > that I don't mean any insult here. Truly, Sreenadh ji, I

> would

> > > like

> > > > > to know what is the purpose of learning all this astrology

> too if

> > > > > destiny, consequences of our past Karma is something we

> rarely

> > > [not

> > > > > never] can change. Yes, even I am interested in astrology,

> > > learning

> > > > > it etc. etc. I too may be in an erroneous path, no doubt. It

> has

> > > > > become a hobby. But 'ups and downs with numerous behaviour

> > > patterns

> > > > > of planets' teach us or make us realize the reality in life.

> > > Other

> > > > > than that I cannot see anything which would contribute to our

> > > > > ultimate goal or 'nirvana'. So it is not only digging into

> the

> > > past

> > > > > but also predicting future would be a futile effort and a

> waste

> > > of

> > > > > time. Is not it so????

> > > > >

> > > > > If you can express your view on this, you are mostly welcome.

> > > > >

> > > > > blessings

> > > > >

> > > > > Renu

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

--

Best Wishes

Sarajit Poddar

[Guest guest]

yes dear, after i wrote that message i realised by mistake...:(

In fact i too was wondering what that dhai akshar was...whether it

could be RAMAH the way it is written in Sanskrit with visargh. But

then as Jyotiji has interpreted the doha...the dhai akshar

is " prem " ...P...half " ra " and " M " . Beautiful, isn't it?

 

, " Sanjay Sinha "

<sanjaykrsinhain wrote:

>

> Hi

> Meaning of " Akshar " is letter not word.

>

> Thanks and regards

> sanjay

> -

> vinita kumar

>

> Saturday, December 01, 2007 1:39 PM

> Re: Seventh house and past

life? (To renuji)

>

>

> Dear Shreenadh,

>

> the translation of " jag " , u know, is " world " .

>

> " mua " is to be die / be destroyed.

>

> So maybe just reading books / " pothis " without learning two and

a

> half ( " dhai " ) words ( " akshar " )of love is the death of us mortals?

>

> Also compare tomes / huge books/ pothis with just dhai akshar of

> love...the contrast is hilarious!

>

> i was moved by jyotiji's quote too, like u!

>

> , " Sreenadh "

> <sreesog@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Renu ji,

> > I am just wonder struck at the quote - me too don't know much

> > Sanskrit. But it seems that the quote you provided is the doha

of

> > Kabirdas or someone like that - learned ones please correct me

in

> > this. It is Old Hindi and not Sanskrit.

> > > " Pothi Padh Padh Kar Jag Mua, Pandit Bhayo Na Koye

> > > Dhai Akshar Prem Ke, Jo Padhe so Pandit Hoye "

> > The approximate meaning of this quote is - " No one becomes

(truly)

> > knowledgeable by repeatedly reading (or memorizing) books. If

some

> one

> > knows 2.5 letters (one or two letters) of Love, he is the true

> > knowledgeable one "

> > Dear learned ones, please provide the exact reference of this

> verse

> > (author and book) and the exact word by word meaning. I don't

know

> the

> > meaning of all the words in that quote - the one I could

understand

> > are - Pothi = Book; Padh Padh Kar = By repeatedly reading;

> > Pandit=Knowledgeable one (true scholar); Bhayo Na Koye = No one

> > becomes; Dhai = two and a half; Akshar = Alphabet (letters);

Prem =

> > Love; Prem Ke = of love; Jo = Whom so ever (the one); Padhe =

> reads;

> > So = He; Pandit Hoye = Becomes the knowledgeable one.

> > I don't know the meaning of the words - Jasg Mua. Some one

> please

> > clarify this. May be Jyoti ji can shed more light on this.

> > Love,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > , " renunw "

<renunw@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Jyothi,

> > >

> > > Kindly explain the meaning of the follwoing please...I am

not

> > > familiar with Sanskrit..though I understand a word or two

here

> or

> > > there..But frankly I am clueless of the overall meaning

> > >

> > > " Pothi Padh Padh Kar Jag Mua, Pandit Bhayo Na Koye

> > > Dhai Akshar Prem Ke, Jo Padhe so Pandit Hoye "

> > >

> > > Thanks ...

> > >

> > > blessings

> > >

> > > Renu

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > --- In

> , " jyothi_b_lakshmi "

> > > <jyothilakshmi.b@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Renuji,

> > > >

> > > > What you have mentioned is a question that haunts the

> subconcious

> > > > mind of any person with a genuine spiritual quest. I wish,

in

> your

> > > > mind,this question doesnt remain a question always. Some

time

> we

> > > > need to get an answer.

> > > >

> > > > Better late than never to realise that

> > > >

> > > > " Pothi Padh Padh Kar Jag Mua, Pandit Bhayo Na Koye

> > > > Dhai Akshar Prem Ke, Jo Padhe so Pandit Hoye "

> > > >

> > > > I have copied Kabir das' lines which we all have studied

in

> school.

> > > > Hope every body knows the meaning and do not need an

> explanation.

> > > >

> > > > I have always felt that whether it is astrology or

philosophy,

> one

> > > > must leave everything at one point. People who have had

the

> > > > realisation has rightly said that " Use a thorn to remove

the

> thorn

> > > > in your leg and leave both the thorns " .

> > > >

> > > > But we all are still keeping the thorn with us, I guess.

And

> > > > astrology is no exception.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Jyothi

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " renunw "

> > > > <renunw@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > " Like Buddha said there are several questions that needs

to

> be

> > > > > > answered first; and till then several questions should

> remain

> > > > > > unanswered. Asking that questions prior to

understanding

> the

> > > > > primary

> > > > > > would be turning to an erroneous path - and so

actually

> some

> > > > > > questions are there which should never be asked now. "

> > > > >

> > > > > Exactly. I totally agree with you. After all what should

be

> our

> > > > real

> > > > > aim in life? ...cessation of this vicious circle of life

for

> once

> > > > > and for all.

> > > > >

> > > > > The question is not digging into the past would take us

to

> our

> > > > > ultimate objective in life, but whether digging into

> > > ancient/modern

> > > > > astrology would also lead us on the correct path????

Please

> note

> > > > > that I don't mean any insult here. Truly, Sreenadh ji, I

> would

> > > like

> > > > > to know what is the purpose of learning all this

astrology

> too if

> > > > > destiny, consequences of our past Karma is something we

> rarely

> > > [not

> > > > > never] can change. Yes, even I am interested in

astrology,

> > > learning

> > > > > it etc. etc. I too may be in an erroneous path, no

doubt. It

> has

> > > > > become a hobby. But 'ups and downs with numerous

behaviour

> > > patterns

> > > > > of planets' teach us or make us realize the reality in

life.

> > > Other

> > > > > than that I cannot see anything which would contribute

to our

> > > > > ultimate goal or 'nirvana'. So it is not only digging

into

> the

> > > past

> > > > > but also predicting future would be a futile effort and

a

> waste

> > > of

> > > > > time. Is not it so????

> > > > >

> > > > > If you can express your view on this, you are mostly

welcome.

> > > > >

> > > > > blessings

> > > > >

> > > > > Renu

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Sarajit ji,

There is one more point - Kabir was an enlightened man, a man beyond

all religions. He was born in a family of Muslims and lived as part of

no religion after enlightenment. Muslims, Hindus etc are all equal to

him - as human beings.

He was a Tailor and even after enlightenment he continued his life

and work as a simple Tailor even though disciples where ready to help

him with any amount of money.

I feel it is wrong to associate such a great human being with any

organized religion whether it be Hindu or Muslim - he was beyond.

If Kabir said " Dhai Akshar Prem Ka " (The 2.5 letters of 'Prem') then

he definitely means that itself and nothing else- we don't have any

right to correct him by interpolating some `Ra-Ma' into it. Note that

as Lakshmi ji pointed out the word 'Prem' is of 2.5 matra. Without

this 2.5 letters of 'Love' who can we become truly knowledgeable at

all? Because it is told by another enlightened being that 'God is

Love' - and without love no one can become truly knowledgeable (i.e.

enlightened).

Love,

Sreenadh

 

, " Sarajit Poddar "

<sarajit.poddar wrote:

>

> Dear Venkatraman,

>

> Would you please let us know according to which sada shastra, Raa-ma

> is 2.5 akshars? As I understand it should be 2 Ra+Ma.

>

> Regards

> Sarajit

>

>

>

> On Dec 1, 2007 11:03 PM, Venkataraman Hari

> <venkataraman_hari wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Sirs,

> > Why Sri Kabir has said as 2.5. Kabir is a great

Bhakta of Sri

> > Rama . Rama Nama is Taraka Nama. Raa--Ma i.e two and half matras

as per

> > Sabdha Sastra. Kabir was initiated in to Sri Rama Taraka Mantra by

hisGuru

> > Sri Swami Ramananda as per his byagraphy in Bhakta Vijaya.

> >

> > Hari.Venkataraman

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > jyothi_b_lakshmi <jyothi_b_lakshmi wrote:

> >

> > Dear Renuji,

> >

> > I guess , it is because when we pronounce " Prem " , there is no " akar "

> > in it. Means, we say Prem and not Prema. In that way, the letter " Ma "

> > is incomplete, only half, as in " Hum " . " Pa " + " Re " + " M " - 2 and half

> > of Ma ). A wild guess. Only Kabir can say what he meant.

> >

> > Regards,

> > jyothi

> >

> > , " renunw "

> > <renunw@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> > >

> > > Thanks for your attempt. I think even Jyothi ji has given a similar

> > > meaning. But why two and a half..[Dhai] ???? What is the

> > > significance of such an odd number?

> > >

> > > Anyway it is simply a lovely thought, which, if practised by

> > > everyone, there would be much love and less hatred in this world

> > >

> > > blessings

> > >

> > > Renu

> > >

> > > -- In , " Sreenadh "

> > > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Renu ji,

> > > > I am just wonder struck at the quote - me too don't know much

> > > > Sanskrit. But it seems that the quote you provided is the doha of

> > > > Kabirdas or someone like that - learned ones please correct me in

> > > > this. It is Old Hindi and not Sanskrit.

> > > > > " Pothi Padh Padh Kar Jag Mua, Pandit Bhayo Na Koye

> > > > > Dhai Akshar Prem Ke, Jo Padhe so Pandit Hoye "

> > > > The approximate meaning of this quote is - " No one becomes (truly)

> > > > knowledgeable by repeatedly reading (or memorizing) books. If

> > some

> > > one

> > > > knows 2.5 letters (one or two letters) of Love, he is the true

> > > > knowledgeable one "

> > > > Dear learned ones, please provide the exact reference of this

> > > verse

> > > > (author and book) and the exact word by word meaning. I don't

> > know

> > > the

> > > > meaning of all the words in that quote - the one I could

> > understand

> > > > are - Pothi = Book; Padh Padh Kar = By repeatedly reading;

> > > > Pandit=Knowledgeable one (true scholar); Bhayo Na Koye = No one

> > > > becomes; Dhai = two and a half; Akshar = Alphabet (letters); Prem

> > =

> > > > Love; Prem Ke = of love; Jo = Whom so ever (the one); Padhe =

> > > reads;

> > > > So = He; Pandit Hoye = Becomes the knowledgeable one.

> > > > I don't know the meaning of the words - Jasg Mua. Some one

> > > please

> > > > clarify this. May be Jyoti ji can shed more light on this.

> > > > Love,

> > > > Sreenadh

> > > >

> > > > , " renunw "

> > <renunw@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Jyothi,

> > > > >

> > > > > Kindly explain the meaning of the follwoing please...I am not

> > > > > familiar with Sanskrit..though I understand a word or two here

> > > or

> > > > > there..But frankly I am clueless of the overall meaning

> > > > >

> > > > > " Pothi Padh Padh Kar Jag Mua, Pandit Bhayo Na Koye

> > > > > Dhai Akshar Prem Ke, Jo Padhe so Pandit Hoye "

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks ...

> > > > >

> > > > > blessings

> > > > >

> > > > > Renu

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > --- In

> > > , " jyothi_b_lakshmi "

> > > > > <jyothilakshmi.b@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Renuji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What you have mentioned is a question that haunts the

> > > subconcious

> > > > > > mind of any person with a genuine spiritual quest. I wish, in

> > > your

> > > > > > mind,this question doesnt remain a question always. Some time

> > > we

> > > > > > need to get an answer.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Better late than never to realise that

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " Pothi Padh Padh Kar Jag Mua, Pandit Bhayo Na Koye

> > > > > > Dhai Akshar Prem Ke, Jo Padhe so Pandit Hoye "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have copied Kabir das' lines which we all have studied in

> > > school.

> > > > > > Hope every body knows the meaning and do not need an

> > > explanation.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have always felt that whether it is astrology or

> > philosophy,

> > > one

> > > > > > must leave everything at one point. People who have had the

> > > > > > realisation has rightly said that " Use a thorn to remove the

> > > thorn

> > > > > > in your leg and leave both the thorns " .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > But we all are still keeping the thorn with us, I guess. And

> > > > > > astrology is no exception.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Jyothi

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " renunw "

> > > > > > <renunw@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > " Like Buddha said there are several questions that needs to

> > > be

> > > > > > > > answered first; and till then several questions should

> > > remain

> > > > > > > > unanswered. Asking that questions prior to understanding

> > > the

> > > > > > > primary

> > > > > > > > would be turning to an erroneous path - and so actually

> > > some

> > > > > > > > questions are there which should never be asked now. "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Exactly. I totally agree with you. After all what should be

> > > our

> > > > > > real

> > > > > > > aim in life? ...cessation of this vicious circle of life

> > for

> > > once

> > > > > > > and for all.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The question is not digging into the past would take us to

> > > our

> > > > > > > ultimate objective in life, but whether digging into

> > > > > ancient/modern

> > > > > > > astrology would also lead us on the correct path???? Please

> > > note

> > > > > > > that I don't mean any insult here. Truly, Sreenadh ji, I

> > > would

> > > > > like

> > > > > > > to know what is the purpose of learning all this astrology

> > > too if

> > > > > > > destiny, consequences of our past Karma is something we

> > > rarely

> > > > > [not

> > > > > > > never] can change. Yes, even I am interested in astrology,

> > > > > learning

> > > > > > > it etc. etc. I too may be in an erroneous path, no doubt.

> > It

> > > has

> > > > > > > become a hobby. But 'ups and downs with numerous behaviour

> > > > > patterns

> > > > > > > of planets' teach us or make us realize the reality in

> > life.

> > > > > Other

> > > > > > > than that I cannot see anything which would contribute to

> > our

> > > > > > > ultimate goal or 'nirvana'. So it is not only digging into

> > > the

> > > > > past

> > > > > > > but also predicting future would be a futile effort and a

> > > waste

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > time. Is not it so????

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If you can express your view on this, you are mostly

> > welcome.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > blessings

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Renu

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > Sent from - the World's favourite mail.

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

> --

> Best Wishes

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>

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Dear Sreenadh,

 

You can address me by Sarajit without Ji... I think respect comes from

the way we treat others ... not by calling them with respect and hence

treat them otherwise ;-). I will be happy if anyone calls me just by

my first name.

 

I agree with you. Love is something which is beyond caste, race and

religion. It is the essence of all religion. Thus Prem, which is

infact 2.5 aksharas (pa- half, re- full, ma-full) is what Kabir meant.

People from different religion can take prem based on their notion of

god and thats quite OK. Kabir is beyond any religion!

 

Regards

Sarajit

 

 

 

On Dec 2, 2007 9:56 PM, Sreenadh <sreesog wrote:

>

>

>

>

> Dear Sarajit ji,

> There is one more point - Kabir was an enlightened man, a man beyond

> all religions. He was born in a family of Muslims and lived as part of

> no religion after enlightenment. Muslims, Hindus etc are all equal to

> him - as human beings.

> He was a Tailor and even after enlightenment he continued his life

> and work as a simple Tailor even though disciples where ready to help

> him with any amount of money.

> I feel it is wrong to associate such a great human being with any

> organized religion whether it be Hindu or Muslim - he was beyond.

> If Kabir said " Dhai Akshar Prem Ka " (The 2.5 letters of 'Prem') then

> he definitely means that itself and nothing else- we don't have any

> right to correct him by interpolating some `Ra-Ma' into it. Note that

> as Lakshmi ji pointed out the word 'Prem' is of 2.5 matra. Without

> this 2.5 letters of 'Love' who can we become truly knowledgeable at

> all? Because it is told by another enlightened being that 'God is

> Love' - and without love no one can become truly knowledgeable (i.e.

> enlightened).

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

> , " Sarajit Poddar "

> <sarajit.poddar wrote:

> >

> > Dear Venkatraman,

> >

> > Would you please let us know according to which sada shastra, Raa-ma

> > is 2.5 akshars? As I understand it should be 2 Ra+Ma.

> >

> > Regards

> > Sarajit

> >

> >

> >

> > On Dec 1, 2007 11:03 PM, Venkataraman Hari

> > <venkataraman_hari wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Sirs,

> > > Why Sri Kabir has said as 2.5. Kabir is a great

> Bhakta of Sri

> > > Rama . Rama Nama is Taraka Nama. Raa--Ma i.e two and half matras

> as per

> > > Sabdha Sastra. Kabir was initiated in to Sri Rama Taraka Mantra by

> hisGuru

> > > Sri Swami Ramananda as per his byagraphy in Bhakta Vijaya.

> > >

> > > Hari.Venkataraman

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > jyothi_b_lakshmi <jyothi_b_lakshmi wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Renuji,

> > >

> > > I guess , it is because when we pronounce " Prem " , there is no " akar "

> > > in it. Means, we say Prem and not Prema. In that way, the letter " Ma "

> > > is incomplete, only half, as in " Hum " . " Pa " + " Re " + " M " - 2 and half

> > > of Ma ). A wild guess. Only Kabir can say what he meant.

>

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > jyothi

> > >

> > > , " renunw "

> > > <renunw@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for your attempt. I think even Jyothi ji has given a similar

> > > > meaning. But why two and a half..[Dhai] ???? What is the

> > > > significance of such an odd number?

> > > >

> > > > Anyway it is simply a lovely thought, which, if practised by

> > > > everyone, there would be much love and less hatred in this world

>

>

> > > >

> > > > blessings

> > > >

> > > > Renu

> > > >

> > > > -- In , " Sreenadh "

> > > > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Renu ji,

> > > > > I am just wonder struck at the quote - me too don't know much

> > > > > Sanskrit. But it seems that the quote you provided is the doha of

> > > > > Kabirdas or someone like that - learned ones please correct me in

> > > > > this. It is Old Hindi and not Sanskrit.

> > > > > > " Pothi Padh Padh Kar Jag Mua, Pandit Bhayo Na Koye

> > > > > > Dhai Akshar Prem Ke, Jo Padhe so Pandit Hoye "

> > > > > The approximate meaning of this quote is - " No one becomes (truly)

> > > > > knowledgeable by repeatedly reading (or memorizing) books. If

> > > some

> > > > one

> > > > > knows 2.5 letters (one or two letters) of Love, he is the true

> > > > > knowledgeable one "

> > > > > Dear learned ones, please provide the exact reference of this

> > > > verse

> > > > > (author and book) and the exact word by word meaning. I don't

> > > know

> > > > the

> > > > > meaning of all the words in that quote - the one I could

> > > understand

> > > > > are - Pothi = Book; Padh Padh Kar = By repeatedly reading;

> > > > > Pandit=Knowledgeable one (true scholar); Bhayo Na Koye = No one

> > > > > becomes; Dhai = two and a half; Akshar = Alphabet (letters); Prem

> > > =

> > > > > Love; Prem Ke = of love; Jo = Whom so ever (the one); Padhe =

> > > > reads;

> > > > > So = He; Pandit Hoye = Becomes the knowledgeable one.

> > > > > I don't know the meaning of the words - Jasg Mua. Some one

> > > > please

> > > > > clarify this. May be Jyoti ji can shed more light on this.

> > > > > Love,

> > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > >

> > > > > , " renunw "

> > > <renunw@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Jyothi,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Kindly explain the meaning of the follwoing please...I am not

> > > > > > familiar with Sanskrit..though I understand a word or two here

> > > > or

> > > > > > there..But frankly I am clueless of the overall meaning

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " Pothi Padh Padh Kar Jag Mua, Pandit Bhayo Na Koye

> > > > > > Dhai Akshar Prem Ke, Jo Padhe so Pandit Hoye "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks ...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > blessings

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Renu

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- In

> > > > , " jyothi_b_lakshmi "

> > > > > > <jyothilakshmi.b@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Renuji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > What you have mentioned is a question that haunts the

> > > > subconcious

> > > > > > > mind of any person with a genuine spiritual quest. I wish, in

> > > > your

> > > > > > > mind,this question doesnt remain a question always. Some time

> > > > we

> > > > > > > need to get an answer.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Better late than never to realise that

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > " Pothi Padh Padh Kar Jag Mua, Pandit Bhayo Na Koye

> > > > > > > Dhai Akshar Prem Ke, Jo Padhe so Pandit Hoye "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I have copied Kabir das' lines which we all have studied in

> > > > school.

> > > > > > > Hope every body knows the meaning and do not need an

> > > > explanation.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I have always felt that whether it is astrology or

> > > philosophy,

> > > > one

> > > > > > > must leave everything at one point. People who have had the

> > > > > > > realisation has rightly said that " Use a thorn to remove the

> > > > thorn

> > > > > > > in your leg and leave both the thorns " .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > But we all are still keeping the thorn with us, I guess. And

> > > > > > > astrology is no exception.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > Jyothi

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " renunw "

> > > > > > > <renunw@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > " Like Buddha said there are several questions that needs to

> > > > be

> > > > > > > > > answered first; and till then several questions should

> > > > remain

> > > > > > > > > unanswered. Asking that questions prior to understanding

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > primary

> > > > > > > > > would be turning to an erroneous path - and so actually

> > > > some

> > > > > > > > > questions are there which should never be asked now. "

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Exactly. I totally agree with you. After all what should be

> > > > our

> > > > > > > real

> > > > > > > > aim in life? ...cessation of this vicious circle of life

> > > for

> > > > once

> > > > > > > > and for all.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The question is not digging into the past would take us to

> > > > our

> > > > > > > > ultimate objective in life, but whether digging into

> > > > > > ancient/modern

> > > > > > > > astrology would also lead us on the correct path???? Please

> > > > note

> > > > > > > > that I don't mean any insult here. Truly, Sreenadh ji, I

> > > > would

> > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > to know what is the purpose of learning all this astrology

> > > > too if

> > > > > > > > destiny, consequences of our past Karma is something we

> > > > rarely

> > > > > > [not

> > > > > > > > never] can change. Yes, even I am interested in astrology,

> > > > > > learning

> > > > > > > > it etc. etc. I too may be in an erroneous path, no doubt.

> > > It

> > > > has

> > > > > > > > become a hobby. But 'ups and downs with numerous behaviour

> > > > > > patterns

> > > > > > > > of planets' teach us or make us realize the reality in

> > > life.

> > > > > > Other

> > > > > > > > than that I cannot see anything which would contribute to

> > > our

> > > > > > > > ultimate goal or 'nirvana'. So it is not only digging into

> > > > the

> > > > > > past

> > > > > > > > but also predicting future would be a futile effort and a

> > > > waste

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > time. Is not it so????

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If you can express your view on this, you are mostly

> > > welcome.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > blessings

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Renu

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > > Sent from - the World's favourite mail.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> > --

> > Best Wishes

> > Sarajit Poddar

> >

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

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