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Dear Hari ji,

As my dear friend Sreeram Srinivas ji used to say - The nair's always

has their secret language - Malayalam. They tell that everything

is available there in Malayalam. ) And alas! How to read it - truely

difficult! - he says. Who will translate all this stuff from

Malayalam to English?!!! The same should be the case with other secret

languages like Tamil, Telingu, Kannada, Maratti, Oriya, Zoroastrian,

Kashmiri etc as well.

I request all the secret holders of Sanskrit literature in regional

languages to come out and do a bit of translation to

'Sanskrit/Devanagari script slokas with English Translation' to shed

this iron wall (of language barrier) with hides much useful info and

share it with us. Truly - me too is afraid of all these secret

languages as Srinivas ji puts it.

Love and regards,

Sreeenadh

 

, " chandra_hari18 "

<chandra_hari18 wrote:

>

>

> Dear Sreenadh,

>

> I have added two files in Malayalam. Hindus and Ahindus which discusses

> the so called Vedic past and Brahminism and the second is a commentary

> on Isa Upanishad. How twisted and stretched are the interpretations of

> Sankara may be understood from the examples discussed there in.

>

> Please help with a gist in English if needed.

>

> chandra hari

>

>

> , " Sreenadh "

> <sreesog@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Saaji,

> > Hari was presenting a perspective - his own opinian. Just see the

> > extra information coming from that extra perspective. I would love

> > to see an informative debate between you two or between any members -

> > but please keep sentiments and emotions out of the discussion. And

> > proceed by collecting all your information, logic and arguments - all

> > the best.

> > Love and regards,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > , " Saaji Bhaskaran "

> > saajik@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Chandra hari,

> > >

> > > Can you please tell me these:

> > >

> > > 1.what's agni hotram and how you know no one today performing agni

> > > hotram.

> > >

> > > 2. what's purva mimasa and uttara mimamsa. Your questions

> contradict.

> > >

> > > 3. you consider all Brahmins are advaidins. From what you wrote

> > > first about adi sankaracharya, I doubt you have read his life. Did

> > > you read that all Brahmins at that time are advaidins and supporters

> > > of adi sankaracharya? And what made you think that all Brahmins

> > > today are advaidins?

> > >

> > > 4. What you know abt Vedas and Upanishads in particular. " Twisted

> > > and stretched interpretations of Upanishads " ? Upanishads are my

> > > favourite subject, so I want to know about your reading of

> > > Upanishads.

> > >

> > > 5. I felt you are thinking Adi sankara brought in advaida

> > > philosophy. Where you read this?

> > >

> > > 6. " Just expressions of the curiosity of a chandalan. " – ???. I

> do

> > > not think its genuine curiosity. Anyways, please write more.

> > >

> > > 7. you know what the term " jeevan mukta " denotes?

> > >

> > > Thanks in advance.

> > >

> > > Best regards,

> > >

> > > Saaji Bhaskaran

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " chandra_hari18 "

> > > <chandra_hari18@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sir,

> > > >

> > > > After completing the prasthana-traya bhashya only Sankaracharya

> > > roamed

> > > > Kasi and then the legends say that the Chandala appeared and

> > > became his

> > > > Guru. I worship that Chandala and his darsana is Sivaadvaitam.

> > > > Maneesha-panchakam was wrote in praise of the Chandala.

> > > >

> > > > If Sankara's mayadvaitam had any spiritual contribution in India

> > > beyond

> > > > lip service, how is it that castiesm got perpetuated in India and

> > > became

> > > > the cornerstone of Brahmnism? What kind of Advaitic experience did

> > > the 4

> > > > Maths of Sankara represented during the 1000 years after Sankara?

> > > >

> > > > Even today what kind of Advaitic experience guide the 4 Maths of

> > > > Sankaracharya where succession is decided by the caste of the

> Yoni?

> > > >

> > > > In contrast why the Saiva_Siddhas like 64 Nayanars despised

> > > casteism and

> > > > how even pulaya, panan and paraya could become Siddhas in

> > > Tamizhakam and

> > > > Kerala?

> > > >

> > > > Why did the Brahmins approach Sri Narayana Guru with protest when

> > > Guru

> > > > installed Siva at Aruvippuram?

> > > >

> > > > Why the Brahmins doing 'Aham Brahmasmi' lip service have become

> > > Tantris

> > > > to Lingam, Yoni and Sarpam?

> > > >

> > > > Which Veda or Upanishad / Sruti and Smrtis call for or authorize

> > > such

> > > > practices by Aham-Brahmasmis?

> > > >

> > > > In which Veda can you find the word 'Puja' that is central to the

> > > Hindu

> > > > spirituality?

> > > >

> > > > Why the agnihotram perished and Lingam and Yoni came to be the

> > > objects

> > > > of worships by Brahmins?

> > > >

> > > > When Agnihotram perished how the Vedic Gods like Indra, Agni,

> > > Maruts etc

> > > > can survive today? If the Gods also perished along with the

> > > Agnihotram

> > > > what is the use of Vedic mantras today? How can it be good for

> > > anything?

> > > >

> > > > What is the use of Vedas and Upanishads without the Agnihotram?

> > > >

> > > > With the Jnanakantam alone (without Karmakandam) can Brahmam be

> > > > attained? Why then the Vedic Brahmins have taken over Tantrik

> > > > Karmakandam?

> > > >

> > > > What made Sankaracharya to reject the Purvamimamsa in favor of

> > > > Uttaramimamsa?

> > > >

> > > > Beyond the twisted and stretched interpretations of the Upanishads

> > > at a

> > > > time when logic or tarkkam was taken to be a test for truth,

> > > Sankara

> > > > could manipulate people with Drshtantham. Drshtantam is not

> > > experience.

> > > > Beyond Drshtanthams what did Sankara teach for a spiritual

> > > experience?

> > > >

> > > > In Vivekachoodamani Sankaracharya has even decried Yoga. In Gita

> > > he

> > > > created with collaboration of his Brahminist champions wrote such

> > > > nonsense - humbug compilation - as no one may understand the real

> > > Yoga

> > > > under discussion.

> > > >

> > > > I will continue my discussion after seeing your answers to my

> > > queries. I

> > > > am trying to learn from you - questions are not meant to be

> > > offensive.

> > > > Just expressions of the curiosity of a chandalan.

> > > >

> > > > chandra hari

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , Venkataraman Hari

> > > > <venkataraman_hari@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sri Chandra Hari,

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaskaram. The Advaita Siddhantha is not mere concept; but it

> is

> > > > experiance. The people opposing Sankara says he is Maya Vadi and

> > > > Prachchanna Boludha. Shri Sankara never contradicted the

> > > experiances of

> > > > Bhagwan Buddha. But he proceeds further and proves the ultimate

> > > truth.

> > > > Advaita is most scientific.Highest intellectuals. great

> scientists,

> > > > thinkers have accepted it. Shri Sadasiva Brahmendra, Bhagawan Sri

> > > Ramana

> > > > Maharishi are the examples to prove that the Advita Anubhava is

> > > possible

> > > > and practicable. Advaita is a concept which is not against any

> > > other

> > > > Siddanta. It is only an advaitin who can accept all the modes of

> > > > worship, all the forms of worship and go beyond that and reach

> > > ultimate

> > > > Para brhmam. Along with the concept of Maya Shri Sankara also

> > > explains

> > > > the Vyavahara Sathya. That is why he established Shanmatha i.e.

> > > the Six

> > > > paths of woshipping deities. Advaita is not mere negation; it is

> > > > positive perfection and ultimate realisation. Shri

> > > > > Ramkrishna Paramahamsa was initiated in to Nirvikalpa Samadhi

> > > but yet

> > > > he was a great Upasaka of Bhavatharini. Shri Madhusudana Saraswati

> > > was

> > > > also a great Advaitin but a great Krishna Bhakta. All the forms

> and

> > > > names of different Devatas, Deities are many but ultimately they

> > > are all

> > > > of the same Para Brahman. Sri Paramahamsa even practised the

> > > Western

> > > > Religions and revealed all these paths leads to ultimate,

> > > > all-pervading,Supreme ParaBrahman. Bhakti, Gnana, Vairagya,Tapas,

> > > > Upasana ,Atma Vichara are the paths to elevate ourselves. The

> > > ultimate

> > > > truth i.e.Para Brahman- The veda says " Sa Shiva: Sa Hari: Sa

> > > Indra: Sa:

> > > > Akshara: Paramaswarat " --He is Shiva, He is Hari, He is Indra, He

> is

> > > > Akshara and He is the ultimate Power. Any amount of logic

> > > discussions,

> > > > reading, may not help us to realise the truth but an ounce of

> > > practice

> > > > is better than thousand discussions. Bhagwan says in Geetha that

> > > Mama

> > > > Maya Duratyaya/-It is dificult to conquer my Maya. Maya is a word

> > > not

> > > > invented by

> > > > > Sankara but it is the Illusory exhibition of the ParaBrahman

> > > which is

> > > > nothing but this Virat. Once again I wish to insist that who ever

> > > persue

> > > > a partcular path with stead fast belief and guidance of his Achrya

> > > or

> > > > Guru let them continujethe same. That need not be a discussion lin

> > > this

> > > > platform. I may be a practioner of Vedanta. Some may be of

> > > Devotional

> > > > Path. Some may follow Yoga. Our Body, Mind and intellect are

> > > limited.

> > > > All may not know everything. Before critisising the other path we

> > > must

> > > > fully know abot it. That is not possible. But Going through a

> > > particular

> > > > path and after reaching the ultimate we may realise that all are

> > > same

> > > > and being the goal is the same-Veda says Ekam Sat Vipra Bhahuda

> > > > Vadanthi. The same is told in the Geeta also " Yo Yo Yam Yam Tanum

> > > > Bhakta: Sraddharchitum Ichchati ..... " Who ever worships me in what

> > > ever

> > > > form he chooses with devotion and with steadfast determination I

> > > Bless

> > > > them in the same form I worship.

> > > > > Our subject isAstrology. The religion and Vedanta are very very

> > > deepl

> > > > like ocean and a subject to be practiced and not to be discussed.

> > > Let is

> > > > stick to ours. I hope that I am not mistaken.

> > > > > With regards,

> > > > > Hari Venkataraman.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > chandra_hari18 chandra_hari18@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > >

> > > > > Lot of dialogue has takes place on Sankara's mayavadadvaitam in

> > > India.

> > > > > Sankara reduced Darsana to philosophy in India by borrowing the

> > > Saiva

> > > > > concept of Maya and linking it up with Buddhist notions. His

> > > effort

> > > > was

> > > > > to defeat the Buddhas in Tarkkam. Sankara's brahmam cannot be

> > > > > experienced by anyone. It is like a cow of the books that cannot

> > > eat

> > > > > grass.

> > > > >

> > > > > Experience of the absolute, the only one, from which the

> creation

> > > > arose

> > > > > is possible only in Saiva darsanam. That is why in India from

> > > Kailasam

> > > > > to Kanyakumari only Siva and his family is worshipped. Few

> > > isolated

> > > > > Vaishnava centres are copying of Saiva with the names changed

> > > from

> > > > Siva

> > > > > to Krishna etc. arose in later times.

> > > > >

> > > > > Saiva darsana had its prevalence in India without any such

> > > gigantic

> > > > > Acharyas like Sankaracharya of comparatively recent times. And

> > > that

> > > > > shows its antiquity.

> > > > >

> > > > > The best way to realize the Unity of all existence is to

> > > chant 'namah

> > > > > sivaya' .

> > > > >

> > > > > chandra hari

> > > > >

> > > > > , r_vani

> > > ramakrishnan

> > > > > r_vani61@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Chandra Hariji,

> > > > > > Namaskar.

> > > > > > I am blessed to have a contact with you.

> > > > > > Yes, i don't disagree with you. We are two at present, myself

> > > and my

> > > > > wife, since children are at different places on their jobs.

> > > > > > In this old age, I am trying to find Advaitam from Dwaitam

> > > since all

> > > > > the scriptures like Vedas, Upanishads etc guide us to Advaitam.

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > D.Ramakrishnan.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > chandra_hari18 chandra_hari18@ wrote:

> > > > > > Dear Ramkrishanji,

> > > > > > " You and the rest of your family " - if I have to say so at

> > > least 2

> > > > > members must be there in your home. I hope you won't disagree.

> > > In the

> > > > > same way, when you say P_Brahmam and the rest at least two

> > > entities

> > > > must

> > > > > be there. So that will be called Dvaitam.

> > > > > > Further, Isavasyam says: Isavasyamidam sarvam = what does it

> > > mean?

> > > > Is

> > > > > it advaitam? Aurobindo said: Isa had a heartiest laugh when

> > > > > Sankaracharya wrote advatic commentary on this Upanishad.

> > > > > > BU's Santi vakyam says: Poornamadah poornamidam: What are

> > > those adah

> > > > > and idam? Are they not two?

> > > > > > chandra hari

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , r_vani

> > > ramakrishnan

> > > > > r_vani61@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Chandra Hariji,

> > > > > > > Namaskar.

> > > > > > > Parabrahmam is only one that exists. Rest all is Maya or

> > > Illusion.

> > > > > > > This is Advaitam.

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > D.Ramakrishnan.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > chandra_hari18 chandra_hari18@ wrote:

> > > > > > > Parabrahmam + Maya = 1+1 = 2 or 1? Is it Advaitam or

> Dvaitam?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > chandra hari

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , r_vani

> > > > ramakrishnan

> > > > > > > r_vani61@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Jyothi,

> > > > > > > As per Advaitha Vedanta, there is only one that exists, that

> > > is

> > > > > > > Parabrahman.

> > > > > > > And others that we see or hear is Maya, i.e., Illusion. Even

> > > > though

> > > > > > > they appear to exist, but they are not. They are impermanent

> > > and

> > > > > perish in some time. Thats why it is said,

> > > > > > > Brahma satyam - Jaganmithya.

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > D.Ramakrishnan.

> > > > > > >

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