Guest guest Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 Dear Narayan, 1) The most major events are foretold 2) It is true for very ordinary mortals, who work physically more than with mind 3) At every point of life, when one comes across a sad or happy event, the method of reaction is left to individual discretion Example _1: In all India-Pakistan wars, the land gained in winning over Pakistan, though technically we almost reached Lahore or Karachi..., is returned to Pakistan, - is a discretion exercised of a noble country !! { or a sign of weakness in its ability to retain it or our Magnamity ??} Example_2: In our Indo_China war, we lost good amount of land to China, which is NOT returned by China, further they have claimed it - it belongs to them !! Till date our " Congress " has not been able come out of this Indo_China_blunder or Shame. { For them i.e. Congress, Visionary Nehru is a God, who cannot do anything wrong}. China teared apart our " Visionary Nehru " s Pancheel Policy into shredders of those days. Example_3: Janata Dal post emergency or Rajiv_Gandhi post his mother's death, both had tremendous public mandate in parliament, neither of them did anything for country, it took a soft spoken " known but unknown " Mr. P.V. Narasimha Rao to introduce a open economy or globalization as we call it now, brought a " unknown but today known " i.e. Dr. Manmohan Singh as a Finance Minister. {Inspite of glaring facts, for Congress, it is " Visionary Nehru, Indira & Rajiv Gandhi " who put India's tryst with destiny !!! Mr. P.V.N. Rao is NOT in picture} See the discretion in the examples. { Kindly excuse me choosing volatile political examples. } There lies the free will or karma, in a simplistic explanation. Do not get stuck within the boundaries of astrology, get to know what our religion Hinduism wants you to five things daily and try to reason why ??....there in you find the answers.....Unless you have some levels of understanding of holy scriptures, continuing this discussion would not lead to any conclusion. Mr. " Hari " " Narayan " = please do put some respect to your wonderful name given by your parents, by going through some holy scriptures and understanding your bit.....then only you will able to get a feeling of what this nine planets are saying or want to communicate through the subject of astrology. with regards, sreeram_srinivas , hari narayanan <hashmi963 wrote: Dear Sirs It is learnt from various horoscope study that most of the future events are predestined as per date and time of birth. Hence kindly clarify following : 1.If a native has good planetary position at the time of birth, then opportunity and success come to his life with reasonable effort (karam) 2. If a native has a bad planetary position at the time of birth, however he works hard either he is denied of opportunity, or he, due to various hurdles, can not make use of the opportunity or fale miserably after putting lot of efforts.(karam) 3. How much karma yog, ifluence in ones life. OR his effort put in achieving the goal, is simply wasted? Or is there any point of equilibrium where Karma overpower the planetary position hurdles, and the native is successful in his mission? Regards Hari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 Dear Hari, Let me try to put my understanding as follows: Our destiny is the result of our past efforts. Our mental constitution in this birth will be conducive to what we are destined to enjoy/suffer due to what we have done in our previous lives. Means if you are destined to fail, you will feel lazy, you will find all lame excuses to be idle or you will see opportunities as obstacles that stop you from succeeding. Instead, if you are destined to win, even if you challenge destiny and try to sit idle, you will not be able to. At least this is what I have understood - You will be driven towards what you are bound to experience by your destiny. Now, this doesn't mean we do not have any control over ourselves. What I have realized is, purification of mind plays a crucial part in getting on to the driver's seat. If one purifies one's mind and body, he/she gets a tremendous willpower that actualizes whatever you wish. This is a truth. This is what all self-help masters talk about. But purification of mind is a prerequisite. Unless and until that happens we all are bound by destiny. And astrology is just an indicator to that destiny. Gods grace can change even our planetary positions. By Gods grace I don't mean the grace one thinks one will get by regularly going to temple. Instead I mean the lightness, the joy, the compassion, the feeling of the presence and companionship of that divine power within us. To get that grace we need to shed our ego and all that which stands as a barrier to see our true self. Nobody is sure of the root cause of karmic cycles. What we can all do is try to realize the God in us. Yesterday, I read a commentary of a sloka from Bhagavad Gita in one book: Aashcharyavat pashyati kashchid enam Aashcharyavad vadati tathaiva chaanyah; Aashcharyavacchainam anyah shrinoti Shrutwaapyenam veda na chaiva kashchit. One sees This (the Self) as a wonder; another speaks of It as a wonder; another hears of It as a wonder; yet, having heard, none understands It at all. Regards, Jyothi , hari narayanan <hashmi963 wrote: > > Dear Sirs > > It is learnt from various horoscope study that most of the future events are predestined as per date and time of birth. Hence kindly clarify following : > > 1.If a native has good planetary position at the time of birth, then opportunity and success come to his life with reasonable effort (karam) > > 2. If a native has a bad planetary position at the time of birth, however he works hard either he is denied of opportunity, or he, due to various hurdles, can not make use of the opportunity or fale miserably after putting lot of efforts.(karam) > > 3. How much karma yog, ifluence in ones life. OR his effort put in achieving the goal, is simply wasted? Or is there any point of equilibrium where Karma overpower the planetary position hurdles, and the native is successful in his mission? > > Regards > Hari > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 Dear Sriramji, Thank you very much for your kind reply explaining with example, and preachings. 1) What I am curious to know that, can I achieve on some activity/subject through the hard work, even if the planetery position is adverse? 2) The magnitude of evil influence will always be there with a weak planetary position and success rate may be minimum or nil, but is there any harm trying to overcome it with hard work or this will further deteriorate ? 3) I am not stuck to the boundaries of astrology , but it is easy to answer by reverent people like you on such matters. I rather want to apply this subject to evaluate the success rate of future plans. If your suggestion is positive, I will consult an astrologer. If your suggestion is negative I will drop the subject. I am not a dedicated astrology student but have some interest on the subject. But I seek your kind suggestion on the aforesaid matter. With regards Hari , " sreeram srinivas " <sreeram64 wrote: > > > Dear Narayan, > > 1) The most major events are foretold > > 2) It is true for very ordinary mortals, who work physically more than > with mind > > 3) At every point of life, when one comes across a sad or happy event, > the method of reaction is left to individual discretion > > Example _1: > > In all India-Pakistan wars, the land gained in winning over Pakistan, > though technically we almost reached Lahore or Karachi..., is returned > to Pakistan, - is a discretion exercised of a noble country !! { or a > sign of weakness in its ability to retain it or our Magnamity ??} > > Example_2: > > In our Indo_China war, we lost good amount of land to China, which is > NOT returned by China, further they have claimed it - it belongs to them > !! Till date our " Congress " has not been able come out of this > Indo_China_blunder or Shame. { For them i.e. Congress, Visionary > Nehru is a God, who cannot do anything wrong}. China teared apart > our " Visionary Nehru " s Pancheel Policy into shredders of those days. > > Example_3: > > Janata Dal post emergency or Rajiv_Gandhi post his mother's death, both > had tremendous public mandate in parliament, neither of them did > anything for country, it took a soft spoken " known but unknown " Mr. P.V. > Narasimha Rao to introduce a open economy or globalization as we call it > now, brought a " unknown but today known " i.e. Dr. Manmohan Singh as a > Finance Minister. > > {Inspite of glaring facts, for Congress, it is " Visionary Nehru, Indira > & Rajiv Gandhi " who put India's tryst with destiny !!! Mr. P.V.N. Rao > is NOT in picture} > > See the discretion in the examples. { Kindly excuse me choosing > volatile political examples. } > > There lies the free will or karma, in a simplistic explanation. > > Do not get stuck within the boundaries of astrology, get to know what > our religion Hinduism wants you to five things daily and try to reason > why ??....there in you find the answers.....Unless you have some levels > of understanding of holy scriptures, continuing this discussion would > not lead to any conclusion. > > Mr. " Hari " " Narayan " = please do put some respect to your wonderful > name given by your parents, by going through some holy scriptures and > understanding your bit.....then only you will able to get a feeling of > what this nine planets are saying or want to communicate through the > subject of astrology. > > with regards, > > sreeram_srinivas > > > > > , hari narayanan > <hashmi963@> wrote: > > Dear Sirs > > It is learnt from various horoscope study that most of the future events > are predestined as per date and time of birth. Hence kindly clarify > following : > > 1.If a native has good planetary position at the time of birth, then > opportunity and success come to his life with reasonable effort (karam) > > 2. If a native has a bad planetary position at the time of birth, > however he works hard either he is denied of opportunity, or he, due to > various hurdles, can not make use of the opportunity or fale miserably > after putting lot of efforts.(karam) > > 3. How much karma yog, ifluence in ones life. OR his effort put in > achieving the goal, is simply wasted? Or is there any point of > equilibrium where Karma overpower the planetary position hurdles, and > the native is successful in his mission? > > Regards > Hari > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 Kindly refer to my response to Mr. Krishnamurthy Seetharama i.e. Mr. Krishna in short, on the subject of Mercury, where in mentioned few professions attributed to mercury. Similarly not all strong Venus hororscopes, may give rise to Mohd. Rafi or Lata Mangeshkar or Sonal Mansing or M.F. Hussains.....some of them become connoiseurs of art....so there are variations......somebody have a flare for dancing like Sonal Mansingh {try to get to know about her more}, if for some planetary HARD WORK reasons opt for vocal singing would end up on the losing side of Indian_Idols { My watching TV channels is limited to Discovery & Natial Geographic, english news }. First get things right. Fate is all about karma, Singer or dancer is not the criteria nor recourse to karma, except for acting judiciously without any self interest in whatever work you do Kindly note that there is lot of gap in my stating here and your grasping, unless it is bridged by your own understanding of scriptures, we cannot continue this topic further, for I would end up giving some discourses ...which is not possible in this forum. I thank you in advance for the understanding. with regards, sreeram_srinivas , " hashmi963 " <hashmi963 wrote: Dear Sriramji, Thank you very much for your kind reply explaining with example, and preachings. 1) What I am curious to know that, can I achieve on some activity/subject through the hard work, even if the planetery position is adverse? 2) The magnitude of evil influence will always be there with a weak planetary position and success rate may be minimum or nil, but is there any harm trying to overcome it with hard work or this will further deteriorate ? 3) I am not stuck to the boundaries of astrology , but it is easy to answer by reverent people like you on such matters. I rather want to apply this subject to evaluate the success rate of future plans. If your suggestion is positive, I will consult an astrologer. If your suggestion is negative I will drop the subject. I am not a dedicated astrology student but have some interest on the subject. But I seek your kind suggestion on the aforesaid matter. With regards Hari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 Dear Ms Jyothi Thanks for your good efforts to understand my question and appropriate answer. Please explain more about karmic cycle. I am awaiting for answer from you for one more question that I have posted now on same subject. Regards Hari , " jyothi_b_lakshmi " <jyothi_b_lakshmi wrote: > > Dear Hari, > > Let me try to put my understanding as follows: > > Our destiny is the result of our past efforts. Our mental > constitution in this birth will be conducive to what we are destined > to enjoy/suffer due to what we have done in our previous lives. Means > if you are destined to fail, you will feel lazy, you will find all > lame excuses to be idle or you will see opportunities as obstacles > that stop you from succeeding. Instead, if you are destined to win, > even if you challenge destiny and try to sit idle, you will not be > able to. At least this is what I have understood - You will be driven > towards what you are bound to experience by your destiny. Now, this > doesn't mean we do not have any control over ourselves. What I have > realized is, purification of mind plays a crucial part in getting on > to the driver's seat. If one purifies one's mind and body, he/she > gets a tremendous willpower that actualizes whatever you wish. This > is a truth. This is what all self-help masters talk about. But > purification of mind is a prerequisite. Unless and until that happens > we all are bound by destiny. And astrology is just an indicator to > that destiny. Gods grace can change even our planetary positions. By > Gods grace I don't mean the grace one thinks one will get by > regularly going to temple. Instead I mean the lightness, the joy, the > compassion, the feeling of the presence and companionship of that > divine power within us. To get that grace we need to shed our ego and > all that which stands as a barrier to see our true self. Nobody is > sure of the root cause of karmic cycles. What we can all do is try to > realize the God in us. Yesterday, I read a commentary of a sloka from > Bhagavad Gita in one book: > > Aashcharyavat pashyati kashchid enam > Aashcharyavad vadati tathaiva chaanyah; > Aashcharyavacchainam anyah shrinoti > Shrutwaapyenam veda na chaiva kashchit. > > One sees This (the Self) as a wonder; another speaks of It as a > wonder; another hears of It as a wonder; yet, having heard, none > understands It at all. > > Regards, > Jyothi > > > , hari narayanan > <hashmi963@> wrote: > > > > Dear Sirs > > > > It is learnt from various horoscope study that most of the future > events are predestined as per date and time of birth. Hence kindly > clarify following : > > > > 1.If a native has good planetary position at the time of birth, > then opportunity and success come to his life with reasonable effort > (karam) > > > > 2. If a native has a bad planetary position at the time of birth, > however he works hard either he is denied of opportunity, or he, due > to various hurdles, can not make use of the opportunity or fale > miserably after putting lot of efforts.(karam) > > > > 3. How much karma yog, ifluence in ones life. OR his effort put > in achieving the goal, is simply wasted? Or is there any point of > equilibrium where Karma overpower the planetary position hurdles, and > the native is successful in his mission? > > > > Regards > > Hari > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. > Try it now. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 Dear Sriramji, Thank you for your prompt reply, as always. So I must conclude it taking note of your adage.....Fate is all about Karma (Planetary influence come 2nd to Karma) Regards Hari , " sreeram srinivas " <sreeram64 wrote: > > > Kindly refer to my response to Mr. Krishnamurthy Seetharama i.e. Mr. > Krishna in short, on the subject of Mercury, where in mentioned few > professions attributed to mercury. Similarly not all strong Venus > hororscopes, may give rise to Mohd. Rafi or Lata Mangeshkar or Sonal > Mansing or M.F. Hussains.....some of them become connoiseurs of > art....so there are variations......somebody have a flare for dancing > like Sonal Mansingh {try to get to know about her more}, if for some > planetary HARD WORK reasons opt for vocal singing would end up on the > losing side of Indian_Idols { My watching TV channels is limited to > Discovery & Natial Geographic, english news }. > > First get things right. Fate is all about karma, Singer or dancer is > not the criteria nor recourse to karma, except for acting judiciously > without any self interest in whatever work you do > > Kindly note that there is lot of gap in my stating here and your > grasping, unless it is bridged by your own understanding of scriptures, > we cannot continue this topic further, for I would end up giving some > discourses ...which is not possible in this forum. > > I thank you in advance for the understanding. > > with regards, > > sreeram_srinivas > > > , " hashmi963 " > <hashmi963@> wrote: > > > Dear Sriramji, > > Thank you very much for your kind reply explaining with example, and > preachings. > > 1) What I am curious to know that, can I achieve on some > activity/subject through the hard work, even if the planetery > position is adverse? > > 2) The magnitude of evil influence will always be there with a > weak planetary position and success rate may be minimum or nil, but > is there any harm trying to overcome it with hard work or this will > further deteriorate ? > 3) I am not stuck to the boundaries of astrology , but it is > easy to answer by reverent people like you on such matters. I > rather want to apply this subject to evaluate the success rate of > future plans. > > If your suggestion is positive, I will consult an astrologer. If > your suggestion is negative I will drop the subject. > > I am not a dedicated astrology student but have some interest on the > subject. But I seek your kind suggestion on the aforesaid matter. > > With regards > Hari > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 Dear Jyothi b, As writting in Roman/English the Sanskrit slok can't give proper prounciation, quoting the original in Devanagari Script. आशà¥à¤šà¤°à¥à¤¯à¤µà¤¤à¥à¤ªà¤¶à¥à¤¯à¤¤à¤¿ कशà¥à¤šà¤¿à¤¦à¥‡à¤¨- माशà¥à¤šà¤°à¥à¤¯à¤µà¤¦à¥à¤µà¤¦à¤¤à¤¿ तथैव चानà¥à¤¯à¤ƒ |आशà¥à¤šà¤°à¥à¤¯à¤µà¤šà¥à¤šà¥ˆà¤¨à¤®à¤¨à¥à¤¯à¤ƒ शृणोति शà¥à¤°à¥à¤¤à¥à¤µà¤¾à¤ªà¥à¤¯à¥‡à¤¨à¤‚ वेद न चैव कशà¥à¤šà¤¿à¤¤à¥ ||शà¥à¤°à¥€à¤®à¤¦à¥à¤à¤—वदà¥à¤—ीता,२- २९|| Hariram On 17 Dec 2007 14:08:48 -0000, < > wrote: Re: Karm Yog Vrs. Pre-destined factors Posted by: " jyothi_b_lakshmi " jyothi_b_lakshmi Let me try to put my understanding as follows:Our destiny ......... Aashcharyavat pashyati kashchid enam Aashcharyavad vadati tathaiva chaanyah; Aashcharyavacchainam anyah shrinoti Shrutwaapyenam veda na chaiva kashchit. One sees This (the Self) as a wonder; another speaks of It as a wonder; another hears of It as a wonder; yet, having heard, none understands It at all.Regards,Jyothi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2007 Report Share Posted December 18, 2007 Dear Krishna Ji Thank you for your valuable suggestions. I appreciate it. Regards Hari , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote: > > Dear > > Please excuse me for jumping in. I hope Sreeram ji will also give his perspective. Here is what I think: > > 1) What I am curious to know that, can I achieve on some > activity/subject through the hard work, even if the planetery > position is adverse? > > [Krishna] Imagine that you are in a powered boat on a river course. Your past karma is equivalent to the force of the river. Your own efforts are equivalent to the power of the engine you use to move the boat. Now, what happens in your journey depends on the following factors: > > - Force of the river (predefined by Karma) > - The capacity of the engine in your boat (predefined by Karma) > - Amount of engine power you use at any point in time (decided by you - are you giving your 100%?) > - Direction you want to travel (your decision) > - The course of the river itself (predefined by Karma) > > I guess you get some idea of what I am trying to say. > > 2) The magnitude of evil influence will always be there with a > weak planetary position and success rate may be minimum or nil, but > is there any harm trying to overcome it with hard work or this will > further deteriorate ? > > [Krishna] No harm in trying to overcome. Infact, everyone should try, who know what is in store exactly! How much can be overcome depends on the factors listed above. > > 3) I am not stuck to the boundaries of astrology , but it is > easy to answer by reverent people like you on such matters. I > rather want to apply this subject to evaluate the success rate of > future plans. > > [Krishna] Good Luck! > > Regards, > Krishna > > hashmi963 <hashmi963 wrote: > > Dear Sriramji, > > Thank you very much for your kind reply explaining with example, and > preachings. > > 1) What I am curious to know that, can I achieve on some > activity/subject through the hard work, even if the planetery > position is adverse? > > 2) The magnitude of evil influence will always be there with a > weak planetary position and success rate may be minimum or nil, but > is there any harm trying to overcome it with hard work or this will > further deteriorate ? > 3) I am not stuck to the boundaries of astrology , but it is > easy to answer by reverent people like you on such matters. I > rather want to apply this subject to evaluate the success rate of > future plans. > > If your suggestion is positive, I will consult an astrologer. If > your suggestion is negative I will drop the subject. > > I am not a dedicated astrology student but have some interest on the > subject. But I seek your kind suggestion on the aforesaid matter. > > With regards > Hari > > , " sreeram srinivas " > <sreeram64@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Narayan, > > > > 1) The most major events are foretold > > > > 2) It is true for very ordinary mortals, who work physically more > than > > with mind > > > > 3) At every point of life, when one comes across a sad or happy > event, > > the method of reaction is left to individual discretion > > > > Example _1: > > > > In all India-Pakistan wars, the land gained in winning over > Pakistan, > > though technically we almost reached Lahore or Karachi..., is > returned > > to Pakistan, - is a discretion exercised of a noble country !! { > or a > > sign of weakness in its ability to retain it or our Magnamity ??} > > > > Example_2: > > > > In our Indo_China war, we lost good amount of land to China, which > is > > NOT returned by China, further they have claimed it - it belongs > to them > > !! Till date our " Congress " has not been able come out of this > > Indo_China_blunder or Shame. { For them i.e. Congress, Visionary > > Nehru is a God, who cannot do anything wrong}. China teared > apart > > our " Visionary Nehru " s Pancheel Policy into shredders of those > days. > > > > Example_3: > > > > Janata Dal post emergency or Rajiv_Gandhi post his mother's death, > both > > had tremendous public mandate in parliament, neither of them did > > anything for country, it took a soft spoken " known but unknown " > Mr. P.V. > > Narasimha Rao to introduce a open economy or globalization as we > call it > > now, brought a " unknown but today known " i.e. Dr. Manmohan Singh > as a > > Finance Minister. > > > > {Inspite of glaring facts, for Congress, it is " Visionary Nehru, > Indira > > & Rajiv Gandhi " who put India's tryst with destiny !!! Mr. P.V.N. > Rao > > is NOT in picture} > > > > See the discretion in the examples. { Kindly excuse me choosing > > volatile political examples. } > > > > There lies the free will or karma, in a simplistic explanation. > > > > Do not get stuck within the boundaries of astrology, get to know > what > > our religion Hinduism wants you to five things daily and try to > reason > > why ??....there in you find the answers.....Unless you have some > levels > > of understanding of holy scriptures, continuing this discussion > would > > not lead to any conclusion. > > > > Mr. " Hari " " Narayan " = please do put some respect to your > wonderful > > name given by your parents, by going through some holy scriptures > and > > understanding your bit.....then only you will able to get a > feeling of > > what this nine planets are saying or want to communicate through > the > > subject of astrology. > > > > with regards, > > > > sreeram_srinivas > > > > > > > > > > , hari narayanan > > <hashmi963@> wrote: > > > > Dear Sirs > > > > It is learnt from various horoscope study that most of the future > events > > are predestined as per date and time of birth. Hence kindly clarify > > following : > > > > 1.If a native has good planetary position at the time of birth, > then > > opportunity and success come to his life with reasonable effort > (karam) > > > > 2. If a native has a bad planetary position at the time of birth, > > however he works hard either he is denied of opportunity, or he, > due to > > various hurdles, can not make use of the opportunity or fale > miserably > > after putting lot of efforts.(karam) > > > > 3. How much karma yog, ifluence in ones life. OR his effort put in > > achieving the goal, is simply wasted? Or is there any point of > > equilibrium where Karma overpower the planetary position hurdles, > and > > the native is successful in his mission? > > > > Regards > > Hari > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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