Early Indian rate of precession, Great Year and 666

[Guest guest]

Dear Sepp Rothwangl ji,

Please go to the file section of the group, download and read the

documents -

1)

Chandra%

20Hari/Basics_of_the_Ayanamsa_Dispute.doc

2)

Chandra%

20Hari/Indian Calendar_IJHS%20March%202006%20Paper.pdf

3)

Sreenadh/

True%20Ayanamsa.doc

4)

Sreenadh/

Hindu%20Zodiac.pdf

To have a basic understanding about our stand point.

Once you covered and understood these documents, we can have a

discussion, I believe.

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

 

, " Sepp Rothwangl "

<calendersign wrote:

>

> Dear list,

>

> Thank you invitation to this list.

>

> I am from Austria and engaged in research upon cultural astronomy

and calendars, in

> particular in the adjustment of the AD count.

> I run a website about my research at: www.calendersign.com

>

> Upon the rate of precession, that was in use in ancient Indian

astronomy I have some

> question and want you to ask for original citations.

>

> I found an article from Guillaume Joseph Hyacinthe Jean-Baptiste LE

GENTIL de la

> Galaisiere, a French astronomer, who was in India to observe the

venus transits of 1761

> and 1769. It deals with very interesting material about the

connection of precession and

> the Indian calculation of the age of the world. http://www.ub.uni-

bielefeld.de/diglib/

> aufkl/teutmerk

>

> Le Gentil tells that he discussed with an Indian Brahman, who kept

his knowledge secret

> for the common people.

>

> The Brahman said that Indian astronomy was improved and renewed

under the king

> Salivaganam (in AD 78) 1691 years ago (calculated from the year

1769 AD) .

> The Brahman use for chronology a period of 60 years and the stars

precede in the

> following way:

> each year 54 arcsec

> In 60 years 54 min

> in 3600 (60*60) years 54 degree.

>

> As you see any step between this periods differ by a factor 60!

>

> The Brahman used as value of duration of the world 4 320 000 years

and divided it into

> four ages:

> 1st age, 1 728 000 years

> 2nd age, 1 296 000 years (3/4 of 1st age)

> 3rd age, 864 000 years (2/3 of 2nd age)

> 4th age, 432 000 years (1/2 of 3rd age)

>

> Another assumption of the Brahman was:

> In 1762 AD 4863 years of the 4th age, the Kali Yuga (Calyougan)

have passed.

>

> (BTW: This results in that the Kali Yuga started in -3101 (3102

BCE), as also Berossos

> reports as the moment of the deluge)

>

> The Brahman assume also that 20400 year before the beginning of the

Kali Yuga a

> conjunction of all planets has happened!

> This is very interesting because 20400 = 24000 - 3600!

> As shown above 3600 years also represent exactly the precessional

shift (of the Brahman

> value) of 54°.

> The adjustment of the Indian Yuga system is thus based beside the

Great Year doctrine

> also upon their used value of precession!

>

> An interesting parallel:

> The Brahman value of precession results in 24000 years for the

entire cycle and thus in

> 666 years each 10° (or each decan).

>

> Please tell me of any referrence if you know any citation that

shows a parallel or a any

> precessionbal value that used Aryabhata or astronomers before him.

>

> Servus

> Sepp Rothwangl

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Sepp Rothwangl ji,

==>

> Le Gentil tells that he discussed with an Indian Brahman, who kept

> his knowledge secret for the common people.

<==

So many brahmans (knowledgeable ones) are here And so instead of

second hand evidence you will get first hand evidence based on

ancient indian scriptures from this group. A lot and lot more than

you can collect from anywhere else - easily decipherable to you in

English - since many scholar in this group are well versed both in

ancient Sanskrit literature and English. And there is nothing

secret (but only the language barrier) - but instead we are trying to

make the info accessible to everyone.

==>

> The Brahman used as value of duration of the world 4 320 000 years

and divided it into

> four ages:

> 1st age, 1 728 000 years

> 2nd age, 1 296 000 years (3/4 of 1st age)

> 3rd age, 864 000 years (2/3 of 2nd age)

> 4th age, 432 000 years (1/2 of 3rd age)

>

> Another assumption of the Brahman was:

> In 1762 AD 4863 years of the 4th age, the Kali Yuga (Calyougan)

have passed.

> (BTW: This results in that the Kali Yuga started in -3101 (3102

> BCE), as also Berossos reports as the moment of the deluge)

<==

Yes, it is all about an ancient indian calendar called 'Kali Yuga

caleder' and Yuga system. A lot of variants of the same, a lot of

controversies, search for the oldest reference regarding the same etc

are all present. In any case the system is in wide use, and using the

day cont, known as 'Ahargana', the count starting from BCE 3102 is

widely in practice at least from 6th century onwards (The period of

the ancient indian astronomer Aryabhatta).

==>

> The Brahman assume also that 20400 year before the beginning of the

> Kali Yuga a conjunction of all planets has happened!

<==

Yes, true - it a mathematical modeling concept of the rhythm of

movement of bodies in solar system (Planets, Moon the satellite and

the lunar nodes), well presented in the ancient text 'Surya

Siddhanta' which is available even today. In reality such a

conjunction never happens even though all the planets would be very

near by. But the concept is very useful (pointing to perfection), and

is widely used, and forms the base of zodiac division and ancient

indian nirayana astrology. (There are two branches of ancient indian

astrology - the Tropical/Sayana astrology of Vedas, and the Non-vedic

Nirayana astrology)

==>

> The adjustment of the Indian Yuga system is thus based beside the

> Great Year doctrine also upon their used value of precession!

<==

Right - the details of it you will get in the document I referred

present in the files section.

==>

> An interesting parallel:

> The Brahman value of precession results in 24000 years for the

> entire cycle and thus in 666 years each 10° (or each decan).

<==

Interesting. Any way, the expert to discussing all these

precession issues in this group is Mr. Chandrahari ji - and I hope

that the mutual interaction between you too will shed more light on

may areas of ancient indian astronomical knowledge.

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

 

, " Sepp Rothwangl "

<calendersign wrote:

>

> Dear list,

>

> Thank you invitation to this list.

>

> I am from Austria and engaged in research upon cultural astronomy

and calendars, in

> particular in the adjustment of the AD count.

> I run a website about my research at: www.calendersign.com

>

> Upon the rate of precession, that was in use in ancient Indian

astronomy I have some

> question and want you to ask for original citations.

>

> I found an article from Guillaume Joseph Hyacinthe Jean-Baptiste LE

GENTIL de la

> Galaisiere, a French astronomer, who was in India to observe the

venus transits of 1761

> and 1769. It deals with very interesting material about the

connection of precession and

> the Indian calculation of the age of the world. http://www.ub.uni-

bielefeld.de/diglib/

> aufkl/teutmerk

>

> Le Gentil tells that he discussed with an Indian Brahman, who kept

his knowledge secret

> for the common people.

>

> The Brahman said that Indian astronomy was improved and renewed

under the king

> Salivaganam (in AD 78) 1691 years ago (calculated from the year

1769 AD) .

> The Brahman use for chronology a period of 60 years and the stars

precede in the

> following way:

> each year 54 arcsec

> In 60 years 54 min

> in 3600 (60*60) years 54 degree.

>

> As you see any step between this periods differ by a factor 60!

>

> The Brahman used as value of duration of the world 4 320 000 years

and divided it into

> four ages:

> 1st age, 1 728 000 years

> 2nd age, 1 296 000 years (3/4 of 1st age)

> 3rd age, 864 000 years (2/3 of 2nd age)

> 4th age, 432 000 years (1/2 of 3rd age)

>

> Another assumption of the Brahman was:

> In 1762 AD 4863 years of the 4th age, the Kali Yuga (Calyougan)

have passed.

>

> (BTW: This results in that the Kali Yuga started in -3101 (3102

BCE), as also Berossos

> reports as the moment of the deluge)

>

> The Brahman assume also that 20400 year before the beginning of the

Kali Yuga a

> conjunction of all planets has happened!

> This is very interesting because 20400 = 24000 - 3600!

> As shown above 3600 years also represent exactly the precessional

shift (of the Brahman

> value) of 54°.

> The adjustment of the Indian Yuga system is thus based beside the

Great Year doctrine

> also upon their used value of precession!

>

> An interesting parallel:

> The Brahman value of precession results in 24000 years for the

entire cycle and thus in

> 666 years each 10° (or each decan).

>

> Please tell me of any referrence if you know any citation that

shows a parallel or a any

> precessionbal value that used Aryabhata or astronomers before him.

>

> Servus

> Sepp Rothwangl

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Sreenadh,

 

Thanks for your articles.

Am 10.12.2007 um 05:37 schrieb Sreenadh:

>

 

I could read the following files

> 1)

> Chandra%

> 20Hari/Basics_of_the_Ayanamsa_Dispute.doc

> 2) 3)

> Sreenadh/

> True%20Ayanamsa.doc

> 4)

 

Sorryly I could not find any new facts for me that answer my question

of a Pre-Aryabhata knowledge of precession.

This articles are interesting but more from the astrological point of

view in concern to a starting of a " astrological " zodiac.

 

I could not open this files:

>

> Chandra%

> 20Hari/Indian Calendar_IJHS%20March%202006%20Paper.pdf

 

> Sreenadh/

> Hindu%20Zodiac.pdf

 

Can you give my help to find this files.

 

Thanks and Servus

Sepp

[Guest guest]

Dear Sepp Rothwangl ji,

Actually all the files I gave the URLs are present in the files

section of this group itself, and I checked the files. All of them are

getting downloaded without problem and getting opened in Acrobat

Reader without problem. May be it is the link that caused you the

problem. Do one thing -

1) Go to the folder " Chandra Hari " in the files section of the group.

There you will find the file " Indian Calendar_IJHS March 2006 Paper.pdf "

2) Go to the folder " Sreenadh " in the files section of the group.

There you will find the file " Hindu Zodiac.pdf "

 

Note: Just check the files section you may find many files that might

be of interest to you.

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

 

, Sepp Rothwangl

<calendersign wrote:

>

> Dear Sreenadh,

>

> Thanks for your articles.

> Am 10.12.2007 um 05:37 schrieb Sreenadh:

> >

>

> I could read the following files

> > 1)

> > Chandra%

> > 20Hari/Basics_of_the_Ayanamsa_Dispute.doc

> > 2) 3)

> > Sreenadh/

> > True%20Ayanamsa.doc

> > 4)

>

> Sorryly I could not find any new facts for me that answer my question

> of a Pre-Aryabhata knowledge of precession.

> This articles are interesting but more from the astrological point of

> view in concern to a starting of a " astrological " zodiac.

>

> I could not open this files:

> >

> > Chandra%

> > 20Hari/Indian Calendar_IJHS%20March%202006%20Paper.pdf

>

> > Sreenadh/

> > Hindu%20Zodiac.pdf

>

> Can you give my help to find this files.

>

> Thanks and Servus

> Sepp

>