Guest guest Posted February 22, 2008 Report Share Posted February 22, 2008 Dear moderators of the this group, I am astonished at the intolerance you people have. A couple of days back I made a posting on Kalapurusha. That somehow seems to have offended you. Otherwise why you should block it? Is is that kalapurusha is not a fit enough topic to be discussed in this forum? kalpurusha is the basis with which we start the study of astrology. and you are stopping it. Fanaticism! We should have respect for the ancient literature, but we need not be slaves. regards,Udupa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2008 Report Share Posted February 22, 2008 Dear Mr. Udupa ji, First, we do not remember any email in the recent past, other than reading request which has been rejected. Second, we have been very open in allowing every time of email in this group Third, did you check the archives yourself, before accusing the moderator ?? Four, Refer Message No. 7847 where your request is posted Five, the duty of the moderator ends once it is posted....it is for the members to decide should it interest or not.....moderator cannot force them to take up the discussion Six, Mr Udupa ji, having interacted with some time long back...I respect your age, experience ..... but surely would NOT take this accusation without contesting it strongly. Seven, I am not sure what made you to slang us with those harsh words..when the group has been all along encouraging and honoring anything related to ancient indian astrology ?? Eight, Mr Udupa ji, you seems to have reached conclusions without verifying the facts....we take this as an instance of a hasty decision made for reasons better known to you..... In conclusion, Your accusation stares at yourself.... we have NOT blocked any worthy message, even a reading request if rejected .... finds a appropriate reason mentioned.....because we as a moderator have also a duty to educate and communicate with members and make them aware of group policies time to time.... Kindly read the {YOUR} posted message again i.e Msg. No. 7847. Trust this clarifies our position and cool your temper.......should you have any further valid points...please do not hesitate to hightlight the same in this group...for let everyone know....who is write and wrong.....on this... If there is a mistake on my side....I am open to apologise....but prove it.....Mr Udupa ji. On a retro.....introspection.....is this accusing mail intended/directed to any other group where you may be offended.....but mistakingly sent to this group Mr Udupa ji ?? I am only giving a benefit of doubt... With regards, Sreeram_Srinivas , Guru <ahudupa wrote:>> Dear moderators of the this group,> I am astonished at the intolerance you people have. A couple of days> back I made a posting on Kalapurusha. That somehow seems to have offended> you. Otherwise why you should block it? Is is that kalapurusha is not a fit> enough topic to be discussed in this forum? kalpurusha is the basis with> which we start the study of astrology. and you are stopping it. Fanaticism!> We should have respect for the ancient literature, but we need not be> slaves.> regards,> Udupa> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2008 Report Share Posted February 22, 2008 I have never made any request for any reading. If you interpreted some posting as request for reading that is your problem. In fact, I got offended at such uncalled for interpretation.In the past when I answered one posting with KP analysis that was blocked. Then only I understood that here in this forum there is no room for free flow of ideas. When I make a posting from mailbox either it should bounce or it should be seen as a posting. if nether happens it is to be assumed that it is blocked.Anyway, if you are interested in answering, I asked one one simple question: who among our deities is Kalapurusha? If I get some answer from any member then I would like to discuss what iI ahve in mind.Regards,UdupaOn Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 5:23 PM, Guru <ahudupa wrote: Dear moderators of the this group, I am astonished at the intolerance you people have. A couple of days back I made a posting on Kalapurusha. That somehow seems to have offended you. Otherwise why you should block it? Is is that kalapurusha is not a fit enough topic to be discussed in this forum? kalpurusha is the basis with which we start the study of astrology. and you are stopping it. Fanaticism! We should have respect for the ancient literature, but we need not be slaves. regards,Udupa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2008 Report Share Posted February 22, 2008 Dear Udupa ji, As a member of this group, I can only say that this message was not blocked and I have read it a few days back. I did not respond as I don't know the answer to your question. Regards, KrishnaGuru <ahudupa wrote: Dear moderators of the this group, I am astonished at the intolerance you people have. A couple of days back I made a posting on Kalapurusha. That somehow seems to have offended you. Otherwise why you should block it? Is is that kalapurusha is not a fit enough topic to be discussed in this forum? kalpurusha is the basis with which we start the study of astrology. and you are stopping it. Fanaticism! We should have respect for the ancient literature, but we need not be slaves. regards,Udupa Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2008 Report Share Posted February 22, 2008 Udupa ji,I had seen your message. I didn't reply as I was not sure of reference to my reply. I think its Vishnuji. I haven't seen messages being blocked as everyday the forum is flooded with all sorts of curious statements. NeelamOn 22/02/2008, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote: Dear Udupa ji, As a member of this group, I can only say that this message was not blocked and I have read it a few days back. I did not respond as I don't know the answer to your question. Regards, KrishnaGuru <ahudupa wrote: Dear moderators of the this group, I am astonished at the intolerance you people have. A couple of days back I made a posting on Kalapurusha. That somehow seems to have offended you. Otherwise why you should block it? Is is that kalapurusha is not a fit enough topic to be discussed in this forum? kalpurusha is the basis with which we start the study of astrology. and you are stopping it. Fanaticism! We should have respect for the ancient literature, but we need not be slaves. regards,Udupa Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2008 Report Share Posted February 22, 2008 Hare rama krishna dear udupa ji yes u never make any request for reading ,also if u try to read any charts other than what is relevent ( some times some messges allowed to pass because some astrologer can help them off the grp and the reader can take it at own risk ) ,but u r free to use any sistem when ever a blind reading is requested .Other wise irrespectiv of sistem u use the reading will get deleted .Many requests are like jokes as they r asking same question in 100 grps and they get 500 answeres with 1000 remedies .ANd i dont think neither they not the astrologers (those who claim )are serious ,Both take it like a joke >i find certain reading requests are covered with testing astrologers and this fellows fall for it and get blaimed in reply and then u can find he is limping .As the time between requests and answer i find some r using just 5 minits including making chart and typing the answers . Also main reason for KP many ppl in this forum is not here to learn KP and they hav very strong grps .But when ever some challenges coming those who follow those sistems can show their calibre .Here who is acting like fanatic ?Can i go to lal kitab grp and propagate vedic astrology ?? Or even our ASH s KAS grp were i am a memebr who is silent and following their rules of game . Its like saudis saying they need all free dom in world when it comes to their case but others dont hav any free dom in their country ( as if they r selected few by god ) ,so we dont entertain this kind of attitude ,Its waht is called double standard .because u hav diffrnt scales for measuring diffrnt ppl on same situation ,a poor auto rikhsa driver will get ticket for parking in no parking area were as if u see a merc benz car then u cant write a ticket attitude . Now ur main question on kaal purusha ( b4 u shud say wheter we blocked it or not ) sriram ji has answered u with messge number .so if ur courtesy allows u ,i hope u will do what is right . As far as my knowledge the Kaala purusha is time personified and its equated with Lord Narayana .And each rasi as his diffrnt body parts ,from aries -head to pisces feet . Now we wanted to hear wat u wanted to discuss regrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah. , Guru <ahudupa wrote:>> I have never made any request for any reading. If you interpreted some> posting as request for reading that is your problem. In fact, I got offended> at such uncalled for interpretation.> In the past when I answered one posting with KP analysis that was blocked.> Then only I understood that here in this forum there is no room for free> flow of ideas.> When I make a posting from mailbox either it should bounce or it should be> seen as a posting. if nether happens it is to be assumed that it is blocked.> Anyway, if you are interested in answering, I asked one one simple question:> who among our deities is Kalapurusha?> If I get some answer from any member then I would like to discuss what iI> ahve in mind.> Regards,> Udupa> > On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 5:23 PM, Guru ahudupa wrote:> > > Dear moderators of the this group,> > I am astonished at the intolerance you people have. A couple of days> > back I made a posting on Kalapurusha. That somehow seems to have offended> > you. Otherwise why you should block it? Is is that kalapurusha is not a fit> > enough topic to be discussed in this forum? kalpurusha is the basis with> > which we start the study of astrology. and you are stopping it. Fanaticism!> > We should have respect for the ancient literature, but we need not be> > slaves.> > regards,> > Udupa> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2008 Report Share Posted February 22, 2008 Dear Mr. Udupa ji, 1) We all agree that you have not made any request for a reading. Infact, you have not grasped the correct message - the point that is made is - member's posting messages seeking a reading....were rejected by me.....while rejecting them....I take time to mention the reason so that member understands it. 2) This group's homepage clearly mentions its focus is on . To my knowledge we have never blocked or rejected any astro_analysis irrespective of any system that was followed......You will find many emails of Mr. Ash doing analysis on his KAS method....we went ahead with it. 3) Infact, I remember communicating with a member offline, any analysis using KP System encouraged...but we do not have that technique expertise to discuss further...hence better to adopt a method which the group is focussed on..... You will find some KP analysis by Mr. Souvik Dutta in this group.....neither we are arguing on supremacy or superiority of a particular technique. So the question that KP Analysis is blocked is incorrect. 4) Mr. Udupa ji, kindly check your computer network connections, possibly if there is any packet droppings.... Generally it is logical for every message sent to the group is published....should you find any of your message not published within a day...please do communicate with me directly.......for we have been consistently adhering to Point No.1 stated above. No message till date has been delayed beyond 4hrs ....infact I am online almost 20 hrs a day, 5) We would appreciate if you could also share your thoughts alongside your queries....so that other members also can participate in the question. We have many people asking questions....but hardly 2-3 people to respond in this group of 2000+ members. If aged seniors also want queries want to get replies from "astro_kids" like us, then...something is wrong...some where..... 6) The subject being vast...queries can come up at any age..... if you have read my postings...in every mail....I give subject intro, direction and then query......NO isolated queries....surely, aged senior...can understand it better.....I have mentioned in few of my postings the nuances of "growing old" With regards, Sreeram_Srinivas , Guru <ahudupa wrote:>> I have never made any request for any reading. If you interpreted some> posting as request for reading that is your problem. In fact, I got offended> at such uncalled for interpretation.> In the past when I answered one posting with KP analysis that was blocked.> Then only I understood that here in this forum there is no room for free> flow of ideas.> When I make a posting from mailbox either it should bounce or it should be> seen as a posting. if nether happens it is to be assumed that it is blocked.> Anyway, if you are interested in answering, I asked one one simple question:> who among our deities is Kalapurusha?> If I get some answer from any member then I would like to discuss what iI> ahve in mind.> Regards,> Udupa> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2008 Report Share Posted February 22, 2008 Dear Mr. Udupa ji, Let me respond to your persistent query as a kid_senior to your "simple question", based on ancient_scriptures: In astrology, the zodiac starts with Aries Sign, is the symbol of change or nature endowed it the "forces of change"... each zodiac sign is having special significance in creation & sustainance of the world. Example - Virgo is for traditional yet modern. Cancer for thinkers & philosophers... The same Kaalpurusha is also used in Vaastu.....and also general delineation of body parts.... The original kaalpurusha has been referred in vedic scriptures is Lord Shiva, beyond that I do not have anything in my mind. With regards, Sreeram_Srinivas , Guru <ahudupa wrote:if you are interested in answering, I asked one one simple question: who among our deities is Kalapurusha? If I get some answer from any member then I would like to discuss what iI ahve in mind. Regards, Udupa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2008 Report Share Posted February 23, 2008 Namaste Ms Revai_N27 Jayasree ji, Would request you to kindly resend the weblink once again...for few members reported that the link is not working....i.e. they are getting the standard HTTP 404 error - Page NOT Found error.... With regards, Sreeram_Srinivas , "revati_n27" <revati_n27 wrote:>> > Namaste Sreeramji: > > Appreciate your acknoledgement. My apologies for the inconvinience, > I realized only later. > > Thanks,> > Jayasree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2008 Report Share Posted February 23, 2008 http://rathnasree.htmlplanet.com/indian_records_of_the_crab_super.htm Hope this will work. I understand why you take pain in writing long names to address the members, but I am fine with Jayasree. Thanks, Jayasree , " sreeram srinivas " <sreeram64 wrote: > > > Namaste Ms Revai_N27 Jayasree ji, > > Would request you to kindly resend the weblink once again...for few > members reported that the link is not working....i.e. they are getting > the standard HTTP 404 error - Page NOT Found error.... > > With regards, > > Sreeram_Srinivas > , " revati_n27 " > <revati_n27@> wrote: > > > > > > Namaste Sreeramji: > > > > Appreciate your acknoledgement. My apologies for the inconvinience, > > I realized only later. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Jayasree > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2008 Report Share Posted February 23, 2008 Hare rama krishna , dear jayasree ji Thanks for the link . if u hav any link or articles from saivite or tantrik point of view on kaala purusha charts u r welcome to provide us . I was looking for similar article i read some where on vishanava version depicting as kaalapurush as Narayana . thanks and regrds sunilnair om shreem mahalaxmai namah. , "revati_n27" <revati_n27 wrote:>> http://rathnasree.htmlplanet.com/indian_records_of_the_crab_super.htm> > Hope this will work. I understand why you take pain in writing long > names to address the members, but I am fine with Jayasree.> > Thanks,> Jayasree> > > > , "sreeram srinivas" > sreeram64@ wrote:> >> > > > Namaste Ms Revai_N27 Jayasree ji,> > > > Would request you to kindly resend the weblink once again...for few> > members reported that the link is not working....i.e. they are > getting> > the standard HTTP 404 error - Page NOT Found error....> > > > With regards,> > > > Sreeram_Srinivas> > , "revati_n27"> > <revati_n27@> wrote:> > >> > >> > > Namaste Sreeramji:> > >> > > Appreciate your acknoledgement. My apologies for the > inconvinience,> > > I realized only later.> > >> > > Thanks,> > >> > > Jayasree> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2008 Report Share Posted February 23, 2008 Dear Sunilji: I only enjoy reading the discussions from your group and not an authority in Astrology or Astronomy. But I like to browse and read interesting articles. If I come across any such articles or is already in my collection, I defenitely remember to post. But the link I am sending now, probabaly is of interest to all of you (scholars in Astrology). http://rathnasree.htmlplanet.com/astrology.htm Thanks, Jaya , " sunil nair " <astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > > > > Hare rama krishna , > > dear jayasree ji > > > > Thanks for the link . > > > > if u hav any link or articles from saivite or tantrik point of view on > kaala purusha charts u r welcome to provide us . > > > > I was looking for similar article i read some where on vishanava version > depicting as kaalapurush as Narayana . > > > > > > thanks and regrds > > > > sunilnair > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. , " revati_n27 " > <revati_n27@> wrote: > > > > http://rathnasree.htmlplanet.com/indian_records_of_the_crab_super.htm > > > > Hope this will work. I understand why you take pain in writing long > > names to address the members, but I am fine with Jayasree. > > > > Thanks, > > Jayasree > > > > > > > > , " sreeram srinivas " > > sreeram64@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Namaste Ms Revai_N27 Jayasree ji, > > > > > > Would request you to kindly resend the weblink once again...for few > > > members reported that the link is not working....i.e. they are > > getting > > > the standard HTTP 404 error - Page NOT Found error.... > > > > > > With regards, > > > > > > Sreeram_Srinivas > > > , " revati_n27 " > > > <revati_n27@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Sreeramji: > > > > > > > > Appreciate your acknoledgement. My apologies for the > > inconvinience, > > > > I realized only later. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Jayasree > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2008 Report Share Posted February 23, 2008 Dear Sunilji, Sreeramji and Jayasreeji,There are mention of Vishnuji or Narayana as Kaalpurusha in several texts. It is difficult to remember and give references, though we can look for some.But definitely in BPHS, in Rashiswarupadhyay, I think chapter 4, there is mention of zodiac signs and kaal purush. There it is mentioned that kaal is eternal time with ecliptic having zodiac signs like the sudarshan wheel in the hand of Vishnu. Thus vishnu with his sudarshan chakra represents kaalpurush, according to BPHS.I also remember a discussion with one of our Gurus and he mentioned that Vishnuji is the kaalpurush. regardsneelamOn 23/02/2008, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala wrote: Hare rama krishna , dear jayasree ji Thanks for the link . if u hav any link or articles from saivite or tantrik point of view on kaala purusha charts u r welcome to provide us . I was looking for similar article i read some where on vishanava version depicting as kaalapurush as Narayana . thanks and regrds sunilnair om shreem mahalaxmai namah. , " revati_n27 " <revati_n27 wrote: >> http://rathnasree.htmlplanet.com/indian_records_of_the_crab_super.htm > > Hope this will work. I understand why you take pain in writing long > names to address the members, but I am fine with Jayasree.> > Thanks,> Jayasree> > > > , " sreeram srinivas " > sreeram64@ wrote: > >> > > > Namaste Ms Revai_N27 Jayasree ji,> > > > Would request you to kindly resend the weblink once again...for few> > members reported that the link is not working....i.e. they are > getting> > the standard HTTP 404 error - Page NOT Found error....> > > > With regards,> > > > Sreeram_Srinivas> > , " revati_n27 " > > <revati_n27@> wrote:> > >> > >> > > Namaste Sreeramji:> > >> > > Appreciate your acknoledgement. My apologies for the > inconvinience, > > > I realized only later.> > >> > > Thanks,> > >> > > Jayasree> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2008 Report Share Posted February 23, 2008 Dear Neelamji: As I mentioned earlier, I am not an authority, but I am aware that Vishnu's chakra as time and hence Vishnu as Kalapurusha, then I came across the following link saying Murugan as a form of Siva as Kalapurusha. In Kerala, Swamy Ayyappan, Sabarimala, is referred as kalapurusha. Scholars from this group itself has a lot of articles on the same subject with indepth knowledge. I have read one such article relating the whole set up of Kerala astronomically. Kanyakumari (virgo) Narayana (Draco), Thiru Anantha puram, Eranakulam and ... http://www.murugan.org/research/valluvan2.htm Thanks, Jaya , " neelam gupta " <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > Dear Sunilji, Sreeramji and Jayasreeji, > There are mention of Vishnuji or Narayana as Kaalpurusha in several texts. > It is difficult to remember and give references, though we can look for > some. > But definitely in BPHS, in Rashiswarupadhyay, I think chapter 4, there is > mention of zodiac signs and kaal purush. > There it is mentioned that kaal is eternal time with ecliptic having zodiac > signs like the sudarshan wheel in the hand of Vishnu. > Thus vishnu with his sudarshan chakra represents kaalpurush, according to > BPHS. > I also remember a discussion with one of our Gurus and he mentioned that > Vishnuji is the kaalpurush. > regards > neelam > > > On 23/02/2008, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna , > > > > dear jayasree ji > > > > > > > > Thanks for the link . > > > > > > > > if u hav any link or articles from saivite or tantrik point of view on > > kaala purusha charts u r welcome to provide us . > > > > > > > > I was looking for similar article i read some where on vishanava version > > depicting as kaalapurush as Narayana . > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks and regrds > > > > > > > > sunilnair > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " revati_n27 " > > <revati_n27@> wrote: > > > > > > http://rathnasree.htmlplanet.com/indian_records_of_the_crab_super.htm > > > > > > Hope this will work. I understand why you take pain in writing long > > > names to address the members, but I am fine with Jayasree. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Jayasree > > > > > > > > > > > > , " sreeram srinivas " > > > sreeram64@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Ms Revai_N27 Jayasree ji, > > > > > > > > Would request you to kindly resend the weblink once again...for few > > > > members reported that the link is not working....i.e. they are > > > getting > > > > the standard HTTP 404 error - Page NOT Found error.... > > > > > > > > With regards, > > > > > > > > Sreeram_Srinivas > > > > , " revati_n27 " > > > > <revati_n27@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Sreeramji: > > > > > > > > > > Appreciate your acknoledgement. My apologies for the > > > inconvinience, > > > > > I realized only later. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > Jayasree > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2008 Report Share Posted February 23, 2008 Dear members, The earliest manuscripts surviving are all traceable to Lord Shiva, later at some point in history, we see "raise" of Lord Vishnu. All Tantra texts which is poorly understood today to be equivalent of advanced black magic, mentions various puja methods including many yoga mudras during the puja and all relate to Lord Shiva. Later we see in history voracious reading material almost on parallel lines to that those existing to Lord Shiva, equivalent material surfacing on Lord Vishnu. It is a paradox of any history, that "proofs" are found for the "latest thoughts or theory". Example: Muslim invaders were purported to question Hinduism for there is NO guidance book equivalent to Koran. When in reality Hinduism never believed in writing books, but relied in Great Guru's erecting a live human form, who is trained to respond to each query & set a precedence { Refer my previous postings on this}. So it is natural to find literature on Lord Vishnu being depicted as Kaalpurush, but difficult to find on Lord Shiva. Humor: Had it not been for Indian elections, possibly, we could have ended with plethora of reading material superceding Lord Vishnu with name of "Choudary Devi Lal" as the latest "Kaalpurush" & "Choudhary Chautala" as "Yugapurush" !! I strongly feel that people of State of Haryana, India are convinced of this...Similarly given a chance State of Bihar would have promoted laughing stock Lalu Prasad Yadav {Kaalpurush} & Ram Vilas Paswan {Yugapurush}, may be we have few more strong contenders like Beauty_Queen Mayawati, Queen_Actress Jayalalita & Grandpa(s) Karunanidhi & Karunakaran.. Note: For non-Indian readers, the referred names in the above Humor, are all politicians who have larger than life public images known for their manipulative behavior, hardly have any worthy true education and are all bane of Indian_Politics. With regards, Sreeram_Srinivas , "neelam gupta" <neelamgupta07 wrote: Dear Sunilji, Sreeramji and Jayasreeji, There are mention of Vishnuji or Narayana as Kaalpurusha in several texts.It is difficult to remember and give references, though we can look for some. But definitely in BPHS, in Rashiswarupadhyay, I think chapter 4, there is mention of zodiac signs and kaal purush. There it is mentioned that kaal is eternal time with ecliptic having zodiac signs like the sudarshan wheel in the hand of Vishnu. Thus vishnu with his sudarshan chakra represents kaalpurush, according to BPHS. I also remember a discussion with one of our Gurus and he mentioned that Vishnuji is the kaalpurush. regards neelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2008 Report Share Posted February 23, 2008 Dear Sreenivasji,You may be right, but I guess Kaalpurush is only time (eternal) personified. There may not have been any deity attached with this. Your humour is in fact the really of times. We do have a Laloo Chalisa in Bihar and in SCERT books there is mention of him as ''Bhagwan'. We do have distorted historical versions for almost everything. If it is of recent origin, we know it is wrong and may question, but in the past whatever has been (mis)contrued we don't even know. Didn't we have a huge controversy about distortion of facts in the NCERT books by the BJP government and Prof. Rajput, who was heading NCERT at that time, held responsible for this. The children learning from such books will obviously get to learn wrong facts. The portions of these books have been corrected...but now with a pro-congress flavour... regardsOn 24/02/2008, sreeram srinivas <sreeram64 wrote: Dear members, The earliest manuscripts surviving are all traceable to Lord Shiva, later at some point in history, we see " raise " of Lord Vishnu. All Tantra texts which is poorly understood today to be equivalent of advanced black magic, mentions various puja methods including many yoga mudras during the puja and all relate to Lord Shiva. Later we see in history voracious reading material almost on parallel lines to that those existing to Lord Shiva, equivalent material surfacing on Lord Vishnu. It is a paradox of any history, that " proofs " are found for the " latest thoughts or theory " . Example: Muslim invaders were purported to question Hinduism for there is NO guidance book equivalent to Koran. When in reality Hinduism never believed in writing books, but relied in Great Guru's erecting a live human form, who is trained to respond to each query & set a precedence { Refer my previous postings on this}. So it is natural to find literature on Lord Vishnu being depicted as Kaalpurush, but difficult to find on Lord Shiva. Humor: Had it not been for Indian elections, possibly, we could have ended with plethora of reading material superceding Lord Vishnu with name of " Choudary Devi Lal " as the latest " Kaalpurush " & " Choudhary Chautala " as " Yugapurush " !! I strongly feel that people of State of Haryana, India are convinced of this...Similarly given a chance State of Bihar would have promoted laughing stock Lalu Prasad Yadav {Kaalpurush} & Ram Vilas Paswan {Yugapurush}, may be we have few more strong contenders like Beauty_Queen Mayawati, Queen_Actress Jayalalita & Grandpa(s) Karunanidhi & Karunakaran.. Note: For non-Indian readers, the referred names in the above Humor, are all politicians who have larger than life public images known for their manipulative behavior, hardly have any worthy true education and are all bane of Indian_Politics. With regards, Sreeram_Srinivas , " neelam gupta " <neelamgupta07 wrote: Dear Sunilji, Sreeramji and Jayasreeji, There are mention of Vishnuji or Narayana as Kaalpurusha in several texts.It is difficult to remember and give references, though we can look for some. But definitely in BPHS, in Rashiswarupadhyay, I think chapter 4, there is mention of zodiac signs and kaal purush. There it is mentioned that kaal is eternal time with ecliptic having zodiac signs like the sudarshan wheel in the hand of Vishnu. Thus vishnu with his sudarshan chakra represents kaalpurush, according to BPHS. I also remember a discussion with one of our Gurus and he mentioned that Vishnuji is the kaalpurush. regards neelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2008 Report Share Posted February 24, 2008 Dear All, Whereas different incarnations of the almighty have been reffered to as the "kalapurush" with some of later day worthies also fashioning/ fancying their salutations to be called the same (as sreeramji pointed out), I was of the opinion that in absense of a fixed lagna/ to know a natural karaka/ to potray an ideal situation etc. we use the Kalapursh Kundli which starts with the first Zodiac Aries. Looks like I missed something....Those links given by a member, Jayashreeji are truly not working.--- On Sat, 23/2/08, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala wrote: sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala Re: Kaalpurusha Date: Saturday, 23 February, 2008, 9:28 PM Hare rama krishna , dear jayasree ji Thanks for the link . if u hav any link or articles from saivite or tantrik point of view on kaala purusha charts u r welcome to provide us . I was looking for similar article i read some where on vishanava version depicting as kaalapurush as Narayana . thanks and regrds sunilnair om shreem mahalaxmai namah. ancient_indian_ astrology, "revati_n27" <revati_n27@. ..> wrote:>> http://rathnasree. htmlplanet. com/indian_ records_of_ the_crab_ super.htm> > Hope this will work. I understand why you take pain in writing long > names to address the members, but I am fine with Jayasree.> > Thanks,> Jayasree> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "sreeram srinivas" > sreeram64@ wrote:> >> > > > Namaste Ms Revai_N27 Jayasree ji,> > > > Would request you to kindly resend the weblink once again...for few> > members reported that the link is not working....i. e. they are > getting> > the standard HTTP 404 error - Page NOT Found error....> > > > With regards,> > > > Sreeram_Srinivas> > --- In ancient_indian_ astrology, "revati_n27"> > <revati_n27@> wrote:> > >> > >> > > Namaste Sreeramji:> > >> > > Appreciate your acknoledgement. My apologies for the > inconvinience,> > > I realized only later.> > >> > > Thanks,> > >> > > Jayasree> >> 5, 50, 500, 5000 - Store N number of mails in your inbox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2008 Report Share Posted March 3, 2008 Dear Udupa ji, Please don't accuce without reason (Here the accusing was a mail was blocked, which was actually approved without any blocking or delay!). And when we make a mistake (here false accusing by mistake), please be humble enough to say a sorry and settle the issue. Yes, you are right in pointing out that you never made a reading request. I request Srinivas ji and you to be friends - we have a common cause than simple mutual accusing. As srinivas ji said "we do not remember any email in the recent past, other than reading request which has been rejected"; the statement is completely true since there are many moderators in this group, and usually mostly ONLY some of the free reading requests and advertisement mails and spams are rejected - and your mails NEVER fall into any such category and we respect your contribution to the group discussion and knowledge sharing.Love and regards,Sreenadh , Guru <ahudupa wrote:>> I have never made any request for any reading. If you interpreted some> posting as request for reading that is your problem. In fact, I got offended> at such uncalled for interpretation.> In the past when I answered one posting with KP analysis that was blocked.> Then only I understood that here in this forum there is no room for free> flow of ideas.> When I make a posting from mailbox either it should bounce or it should be> seen as a posting. if nether happens it is to be assumed that it is blocked.> Anyway, if you are interested in answering, I asked one one simple question:> who among our deities is Kalapurusha?> If I get some answer from any member then I would like to discuss what iI> ahve in mind.> Regards,> Udupa> > On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 5:23 PM, Guru ahudupa wrote:> > > Dear moderators of the this group,> > I am astonished at the intolerance you people have. A couple of days> > back I made a posting on Kalapurusha. That somehow seems to have offended> > you. Otherwise why you should block it? Is is that kalapurusha is not a fit> > enough topic to be discussed in this forum? kalpurusha is the basis with> > which we start the study of astrology. and you are stopping it. Fanaticism!> > We should have respect for the ancient literature, but we need not be> > slaves.> > regards,> > Udupa> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2008 Report Share Posted March 3, 2008 Dear Jayasree ji,> I only enjoy reading the discussions from your group and not an > authority in Astrology or Astronomy. Not a good news. > But the link I am sending now, probably is of interest to all of > you (scholars in Astrology). I am feeling compassionate about that poor sarcastic tone. Try - there is always a chance to improve; what ever the subject one is dedicating himself to. Ego hiding and wearing the shadow of humbleness is appreciable or pitiful? Any way the author of this article (http://rathnasree.htmlplanet.com/astrology.htm) does not know much neither about science nor about astrology. This is how burocratic donkeys fix their ass into the higher positions and ignorantly start abusing ancient knowledge and disgrace modern knowledge without understating. Anyway thanks for sharing data. Love and regards,Sreenadh , "revati_n27" <revati_n27 wrote:>> Dear Sunilji:> > I only enjoy reading the discussions from your group and not an > authority in Astrology or Astronomy. But I like to browse and read > interesting articles. If I come across any such articles or is > already in my collection, I defenitely remember to post. > > But the link I am sending now, probabaly is of interest to all of > you (scholars in Astrology). > > http://rathnasree.htmlplanet.com/astrology.htm> > Thanks,> Jaya> > > , "sunil nair" > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> >> > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna ,> > > > dear jayasree ji> > > > > > > > Thanks for the link .> > > > > > > > if u hav any link or articles from saivite or tantrik point of > view on> > kaala purusha charts u r welcome to provide us .> > > > > > > > I was looking for similar article i read some where on vishanava > version> > depicting as kaalapurush as Narayana .> > > > > > > > > > > > thanks and regrds> > > > > > > > sunilnair> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "revati_n27"> > <revati_n27@> wrote:> > >> > > > http://rathnasree.htmlplanet.com/indian_records_of_the_crab_super.htm> > >> > > Hope this will work. I understand why you take pain in writing > long> > > names to address the members, but I am fine with Jayasree.> > >> > > Thanks,> > > Jayasree> > >> > >> > >> > > , "sreeram > srinivas"> > > sreeram64@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Namaste Ms Revai_N27 Jayasree ji,> > > >> > > > Would request you to kindly resend the weblink once > again...for few> > > > members reported that the link is not working....i.e. they are> > > getting> > > > the standard HTTP 404 error - Page NOT Found error....> > > >> > > > With regards,> > > >> > > > Sreeram_Srinivas> > > > , "revati_n27"> > > > <revati_n27@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Namaste Sreeramji:> > > > >> > > > > Appreciate your acknoledgement. My apologies for the> > > inconvinience,> > > > > I realized only later.> > > > >> > > > > Thanks,> > > > >> > > > > Jayasree> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2008 Report Share Posted March 3, 2008 Dear Mr.Srenadh, You may be right in saying that you did not block any posting. I get all postings on to my mailbox and I use this email address mainly for receiving mails from this group. I do not understand how my posting went into a black hole. Hence, I did not apologize. Otherwise I have no hesitation in owning my mistake, if any. regards,UdupaOn Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 1:17 PM, Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: Dear Udupa ji, Please don't accuce without reason (Here the accusing was a mail was blocked, which was actually approved without any blocking or delay!). And when we make a mistake (here false accusing by mistake), please be humble enough to say a sorry and settle the issue. Yes, you are right in pointing out that you never made a reading request. I request Srinivas ji and you to be friends - we have a common cause than simple mutual accusing. As srinivas ji said " we do not remember any email in the recent past, other than reading request which has been rejected " ; the statement is completely true since there are many moderators in this group, and usually mostly ONLY some of the free reading requests and advertisement mails and spams are rejected - and your mails NEVER fall into any such category and we respect your contribution to the group discussion and knowledge sharing. Love and regards,Sreenadh , Guru <ahudupa wrote: >> I have never made any request for any reading. If you interpreted some> posting as request for reading that is your problem. In fact, I got offended> at such uncalled for interpretation.> In the past when I answered one posting with KP analysis that was blocked. > Then only I understood that here in this forum there is no room for free> flow of ideas.> When I make a posting from mailbox either it should bounce or it should be> seen as a posting. if nether happens it is to be assumed that it is blocked. > Anyway, if you are interested in answering, I asked one one simple question:> who among our deities is Kalapurusha?> If I get some answer from any member then I would like to discuss what iI> ahve in mind. > Regards,> Udupa> > On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 5:23 PM, Guru ahudupa wrote:> > > Dear moderators of the this group,> > I am astonished at the intolerance you people have. A couple of days > > back I made a posting on Kalapurusha. That somehow seems to have offended> > you. Otherwise why you should block it? Is is that kalapurusha is not a fit> > enough topic to be discussed in this forum? kalpurusha is the basis with > > which we start the study of astrology. and you are stopping it. Fanaticism!> > We should have respect for the ancient literature, but we need not be> > slaves.> > regards,> > Udupa > > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2008 Report Share Posted March 3, 2008 Dear Sreenadhji: I am quotting the the following to answer your message for me from Swami Vivekananda's Biography. Sri Ramakrishna's words to his disciples. 'How foolish to speak of compassion! Man is an insignificant worm crawling on the earth — and he to show compassion to others!' Thanks, Jayasree , " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote: > > > Dear Jayasree ji, > > I only enjoy reading the discussions from your group and not an > > authority in Astrology or Astronomy. > Not a good news. > > But the link I am sending now, probably is of interest to all of > > you (scholars in Astrology). > I am feeling compassionate about that poor sarcastic tone. > > Try - there is always a chance to improve; what ever the subject one > is dedicating himself to. Ego hiding and wearing the shadow of > humbleness is appreciable or pitiful? Any way the author of this article > (http://rathnasree.htmlplanet.com/astrology.htm > <http://rathnasree.htmlplanet.com/astrology.htm> ) does not know much > neither about science nor about astrology. This is how burocratic > donkeys fix their ass into the higher positions and ignorantly start > abusing ancient knowledge and disgrace modern knowledge without > understating. Anyway thanks for sharing data. > > Love and regards, > Sreenadh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2008 Report Share Posted March 4, 2008 Dear Udupa ji, Please look at this message: /message/7932 That is the message on "Kalapurusha" you have posted. You have posted the message on: Fri Feb 22, 2008 5:23 pm as evident from the above mail. The moderator activity page reads: Feb 22, 2008 5:54 pm ahudupa <ahudupa > Approved message: "Kaalpurusha" This means that your message got approved within half an hour itself. Hope this helps.Love and regards,Sreenadh , Guru <ahudupa wrote:>> Dear Mr.Srenadh,> You may be right in saying that you did not block any posting. I get all> postings on to my mailbox and I use this email address mainly for receiving> mails from this group. I do not understand how my posting went into a black> hole. Hence, I did not apologize. Otherwise I have no hesitation in owning> my mistake, if any.> regards,> Udupa> > On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 1:17 PM, Sreenadh sreesog wrote:> > > Dear Udupa ji,> > Please don't accuce without reason (Here the accusing was a mail was> > blocked, which was actually approved without any blocking or delay!). And> > when we make a mistake (here false accusing by mistake), please be humble> > enough to say a sorry and settle the issue. Yes, you are right in pointing> > out that you never made a reading request. I request Srinivas ji and you to> > be friends - we have a common cause than simple mutual accusing. As> > srinivas ji said "we do not remember any email in the recent past, other> > than reading request which has been rejected"; the statement is completely> > true since there are many moderators in this group, and usually mostly ONLY> > some of the free reading requests and advertisement mails and spams are> > rejected - and your mails NEVER fall into any such category and we respect> > your contribution to the group discussion and knowledge sharing.> > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> >> > , Guru ahudupa@ wrote:> > >> > > I have never made any request for any reading. If you interpreted some> > > posting as request for reading that is your problem. In fact, I got> > offended> > > at such uncalled for interpretation.> > > In the past when I answered one posting with KP analysis that was> > blocked.> > > Then only I understood that here in this forum there is no room for free> > > flow of ideas.> > > When I make a posting from mailbox either it should bounce or it should> > be> > > seen as a posting. if nether happens it is to be assumed that it is> > blocked.> > > Anyway, if you are interested in answering, I asked one one simple> > question:> > > who among our deities is Kalapurusha?> > > If I get some answer from any member then I would like to discuss what> > iI> > > ahve in mind.> > > Regards,> > > Udupa> > >> > > On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 5:23 PM, Guru ahudupa@ wrote:> > >> > > > Dear moderators of the this group,> > > > I am astonished at the intolerance you people have. A couple of days> > > > back I made a posting on Kalapurusha. That somehow seems to have> > offended> > > > you. Otherwise why you should block it? Is is that kalapurusha is not> > a fit> > > > enough topic to be discussed in this forum? kalpurusha is the basis> > with> > > > which we start the study of astrology. and you are stopping it.> > Fanaticism!> > > > We should have respect for the ancient literature, but we need not be> > > > slaves.> > > > regards,> > > > Udupa> > > >> > > >> > >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2008 Report Share Posted March 4, 2008 Dear Mr. Sreenadh, This is not the message I said was blocked. It was a single line message. Any way let us bury the hatchet and move on. Thanks for the concern. regards, udupa On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 11:02 AM, Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: > Dear Udupa ji, > Please look at this message: > /message/7932 > That is the message on " Kalapurusha " you have posted. You have posted > the message on: > Fri Feb 22, 2008 5:23 pm as evident from the above mail. The moderator > activity page reads: > > Feb 22, 2008 5:54 pm ahudupa <ahudupa Approved message: " * > Kaalpurusha* " > > This means that your message got approved within half an hour itself. > Hope this helps. > > Love and regards, > Sreenadh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2008 Report Share Posted March 4, 2008 Dear Udupa ji, Then you are defenitly speaking about this message: /message/7847 Ya, and is refering to the same in this message: /message/7932 Your single line mail on Kalapurush was ponst on: Feb 19, 2008 10:55 pm And it was approved on: Feb 19, 2008 11:02 pm Which essentially means that the message got approved by moderations within 7 minutes of its posting!!! A speed which any moderated group would be envy of!! And still you say that there was some partiality and blocking of message?!!! ) One more small bit of info. Do you know the name of the moderator who approved that message? It is Vinita ji. ======Feb 19, 2008 11:02 pm shankar_mamta <shankar_mamta Approved message #7847 via web by shankar_mamta <shankar_mamta ====== Ya, it is all based on facts. Unlike you imagined the moderators like Srinivas ji, or Sunil ji has nothing to do with the issue. And as you know I was away. But of course among our able and prompt moderators either one or the other would be present to do the moderators duty at any point of time. So the end note is - all thse fumes where without reason and all the credit for good and smart moderation goes to the moderators - and that too approving mails most of the times with in 10 minutes of posting!! OK. Let us forget it and move on. :)Love and regards,Sreenadh , Guru <ahudupa wrote:>> Dear Mr. Sreenadh,> This is not the message I said was blocked. It was a single line> message.> Any way let us bury the hatchet and move on.> Thanks for the concern.> regards,> udupa> > > On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 11:02 AM, Sreenadh sreesog wrote:> > > Dear Udupa ji,> > Please look at this message:> > /message/7932> > That is the message on "Kalapurusha" you have posted. You have posted> > the message on:> > Fri Feb 22, 2008 5:23 pm as evident from the above mail. The moderator> > activity page reads:> >> > Feb 22, 2008 5:54 pm ahudupa ahudupa Approved message: "*> > Kaalpurusha*"> >> > This means that your message got approved within half an hour itself.> > Hope this helps.> >> > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2008 Report Share Posted March 4, 2008 Dear Sreenadh-ji, Sorry to butt-in. I am just sharing an observation. In one case, I posted query in reply. You had replied to that mail. (It was probably related to Jup in 12H and you said something like to move on etc..) The best part was, I did not get the mail in my mail-box. Rather I saw that someone had replied to it (your reply, addressed to me, tagged with it). I don't know whether your reply bounced from my mail-box or not. Although I did get other mails from the forum. I don't know where the reason lies. But similar incident may give rise to this sort of " blocked " feeling, unless someone is closely scrutinizing each and every mail. Probably similar incident has happened here too. Regards Chakraborty Sreenadh [sreesog] Tuesday, March 04, 2008 6:32 PM Re: Kaalpurusha Dear Udupa ji, Then you are defenitly speaking about this message: http://groups. </message/7847> /message/7847 Ya, and is refering to the same in this message: http://groups. </message/7932> /message/7932 Your single line mail on Kalapurush was ponst on: Feb 19, 2008 10:55 pm And it was approved on: Feb 19, 2008 11:02 pm Which essentially means that the message got approved by moderations within 7 minutes of its posting!!! A speed which any moderated group would be envy of!! And still you say that there was some partiality and blocking of message?!!! ) One more small bit of info. Do you know the name of the moderator who approved that message? It is Vinita ji. ====== Feb 19, 2008 11:02 pm shankar_mamta < shankar_mamta@ <shankar_mamta .co.uk> Approved message #7847 via web by shankar_mamta < shankar_mamta@ <shankar_mamta .co.uk> ====== Ya, it is all based on facts. Unlike you imagined the moderators like Srinivas ji, or Sunil ji has nothing to do with the issue. And as you know I was away. But of course among our able and prompt moderators either one or the other would be present to do the moderators duty at any point of time. So the end note is - all thse fumes where without reason and all the credit for good and smart moderation goes to the moderators - and that too approving mails most of the times with in 10 minutes of posting!! OK. Let us forget it and move on. Love and regards, Sreenadh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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