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nameisegoji,

 

there is support in laghu parasari that jupiter may not always give

good results:

 

Here is what laghu parasari has to say about beneficity of Jupiter:

 

It is commonly believed that benefics (Jupiter, Venus, strong Moon and

well associated Mercury) when they own Angles by sing i.e. 4th, 7th

and 10th houses they give good results; but as per Laghu Parashari

this will not be true unless they are lords of the Trines also

simultaneously. Amongst benefics the evil nature of Jupiter and Venus

when they are lords of the Angles is extraordinary. If they own or

occupy the Maraka sthana as lords of the Angles they become powerful

killers.

 

So jupiter as lord of 4,7,10 is not good unless it also owns a trine

 

Regards

kiran

 

, " nameisego "

<nameisego wrote:

>

> Dear All,

>

> In my experience, I have always found that Jupiter, saturn , Rahu etc

> always give two types of effects when they occupy a house.

> If Guru destroys shayya sukham, he gives Lot of money as he destroys

> expenses.

>

> I would be happy to learn more from other's experiences.

>

> Be blessed

>

> Tatvam-Asi

>

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Hare rama krishna .

dear kiran ji .

 

I think u r mixing the things .

 

Nmae is ego ji is talking abt the bhava were ever jup is sitting will be destroyed and sani will enhance the bhava .

 

were as laghu parasari is talking abt dasa phala nirupana ,means results of planets in dasas .

 

U can check for chart with benefics in 4th house and malefics in 4th house .

 

see how they r operating .As 4th rules vehicles ,property ,education and mother generaly along with bhava of happiness in family life .( always use house /Lord /karak for clear results ,so karak for mother is moon ,happiness isjup and comfort and vehicles is venus and education is merc ) ,So u can find how reult will vary .

 

a planet will support the bhava previous to it like acting like a food for mouth -so bad food destroys and good food nourishes .Also benefics in a bhava enhances that bhava .Then all other rules shud be applied As a chart as whole .

 

For example the chart of amitabh has jup in 6th house .house enmy debts and deceases.

he has hardly any enemies ,but had debts as jup also karaka for money ( for him jup is lord of 2nd also as he is kumbha lagna ) .has a weak body and some times this deceases re appears also gets cured .

 

even in some charts posted here for discussions by renuji were jup in 6th house tread u can see sani is in 12th house and never given sayya sukha to that lady .

Now some replys for ur general queries :-

===========================

SO bad planets n 2nd house ( its house of speach also ) --can giv a nativ who uses bad or firy words .

4th can reduce happiness .

7th is house of partner and maraka for self .

8th is marka to partner and will not support 7th bhava .

Also pls note malefics in lagna may effect the temperament and thinking of a person .Moon aflicted too much can show mental tensions to mental problems resulting to insanity .also venus heavily afflicted can amnt to bad sexual preference to loose character .So there r certian areas we can remedy and there are we can avoid or even reject the chart as a whole .

 

we hav see chart as whole .Its not a mechanical matchting .There is 3 kinds of results a nativ can enjoy by karma vipaka .One is changeable ,next is changeable with efforts and 3rd is fixed ,no way u can remedy it .So use our logik and experiences while doing the chart .The more u r doing seriously then the planets itself will speak their storey to us .( even when in doubt i asked many times the parents to bring the girl ( to their parents ) and see the face and hand for more confirmation of results, i think if in hand also repeating then cannot be remedied ) And what ever way we match there is an amount of destiny that good matched person may reject this proposal and go for another one and the person may settle for lower matched one .As they cannot also wait for best match .

 

so we r using the portion of free will applicable to a mans life .The percentage can vary from chart to chart and individual to individual .

 

Thats is why astrology is more spiritual than a pure science .

when we hav deceases we took medicines ,do we check charts for longitivity and avoid medicne ? .Or if some astrologer may say good time for u and if u sent a malecious mail or treatening mail to prime minister do u think u will b spared because ur time is good .So again that karama of sending a treatening mail changes our results .

Finaly astrology is talking abt some total of ur karma s ,Chart will say till ur birth and prashna will say till u consult astrologer for the matter .Bad chart indication and good Indications in prashna can show that u r doing ur karmas in right direction s and its giving its fruits in this birth itself by grace of god .

 

hope now its clear

 

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah

 

, "kiran.rama" <kiran.rama wrote:>> nameisegoji,> > there is support in laghu parasari that jupiter may not always give> good results:> > Here is what laghu parasari has to say about beneficity of Jupiter:> > It is commonly believed that benefics (Jupiter, Venus, strong Moon and> well associated Mercury) when they own Angles by sing i.e. 4th, 7th> and 10th houses they give good results; but as per Laghu Parashari> this will not be true unless they are lords of the Trines also> simultaneously. Amongst benefics the evil nature of Jupiter and Venus> when they are lords of the Angles is extraordinary. If they own or> occupy the Maraka sthana as lords of the Angles they become powerful> killers.> > So jupiter as lord of 4,7,10 is not good unless it also owns a trine> > Regards> kiran> > , "nameisego"> nameisego@ wrote:> >> > Dear All,> > > > In my experience, I have always found that Jupiter, saturn , Rahu etc > > always give two types of effects when they occupy a house.> > If Guru destroys shayya sukham, he gives Lot of money as he destroys > > expenses.> > > > I would be happy to learn more from other's experiences.> > > > Be blessed> > > > Tatvam-Asi> >>

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Dear Shri Sunil jiNmae is ego ji is talking abt the bhava were ever jup is sitting will be destroyed and sani will enhance the bhava ...This point is not easy to digest. Haven't we just finished praising Jupiter in lagan. It is supposed to be equally beneficial in other houses except when it is also the karak as parashar says 'Karko Bhavnashay'. So in reference to 5H, it is said that Jupiter in 5th will not give a son. But here again it has been explained that when karak is in the bhav, then any malefic influence will simultaneously affect the bhav and karak and hence can be disastrous. If this combination is under benefic influence, there is no reason for it to destroy the bhav.

regardsneelamOn 04/02/2008, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Hare rama krishna .

dear kiran ji .

 

I think u r mixing the things .

 

Nmae is ego ji is talking abt the bhava were ever jup is sitting will be destroyed and sani will enhance the bhava .

 

were as laghu parasari is talking abt dasa phala nirupana ,means results of planets in dasas .

 

U can check for chart with benefics in 4th house and malefics in 4th house .

 

see how they r operating .As 4th rules vehicles ,property ,education and mother generaly along with bhava of happiness in family life .( always use house /Lord /karak for clear results ,so karak for mother is moon ,happiness isjup and comfort and vehicles is venus and education is merc ) ,So u can find how reult will vary .

 

a planet will support the bhava previous to it like acting like a food for mouth -so bad food destroys and good food nourishes .Also benefics in a bhava enhances that bhava .Then all other rules shud be applied As a chart as whole .

 

For example the chart of amitabh has jup in 6th house .house enmy debts and deceases.

he has hardly any enemies ,but had debts as jup also karaka for money ( for him jup is lord of 2nd also as he is kumbha lagna ) .has a weak body and some times this deceases re appears also gets cured .

 

even in some charts posted here for discussions by renuji were jup in 6th house tread u can see sani is in 12th house and never given sayya sukha to that lady .

Now some replys for ur general queries :-

===========================

SO bad planets n 2nd house ( its house of speach also ) --can giv a nativ who uses bad or firy words .

4th can reduce happiness .

7th is house of partner and maraka for self .

8th is marka to partner and will not support 7th bhava .

Also pls note malefics in lagna may effect the temperament and thinking of a person .Moon aflicted too much can show mental tensions to mental problems resulting to insanity .also venus heavily afflicted can amnt to bad sexual preference to loose character .So there r certian areas we can remedy and there are we can avoid or even reject the chart as a whole .

 

we hav see chart as whole .Its not a mechanical matchting .There is 3 kinds of results a nativ can enjoy by karma vipaka .One is changeable ,next is changeable with efforts and 3rd is fixed ,no way u can remedy it .So use our logik and experiences while doing the chart .The more u r doing seriously then the planets itself will speak their storey to us .( even when in doubt i asked many times the parents to bring the girl ( to their parents ) and see the face and hand for more confirmation of results, i think if in hand also repeating then cannot be remedied ) And what ever way we match there is an amount of destiny that good matched person may reject this proposal and go for another one and the person may settle for lower matched one .As they cannot also wait for best match .

 

so we r using the portion of free will applicable to a mans life .The percentage can vary from chart to chart and individual to individual .

 

Thats is why astrology is more spiritual than a pure science .

when we hav deceases we took medicines ,do we check charts for longitivity and avoid medicne ? .Or if some astrologer may say good time for u and if u sent a malecious mail or treatening mail to prime minister do u think u will b spared because ur time is good .So again that karama of sending a treatening mail changes our results .

Finaly astrology is talking abt some total of ur karma s ,Chart will say till ur birth and prashna will say till u consult astrologer for the matter .Bad chart indication and good Indications in prashna can show that u r doing ur karmas in right direction s and its giving its fruits in this birth itself by grace of god .

 

hope now its clear

 

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah

 

, " kiran.rama " <kiran.rama wrote:

>> nameisegoji,> > there is support in laghu parasari that jupiter may not always give> good results:> > Here is what laghu parasari has to say about beneficity of Jupiter:

> > It is commonly believed that benefics (Jupiter, Venus, strong Moon and> well associated Mercury) when they own Angles by sing i.e. 4th, 7th> and 10th houses they give good results; but as per Laghu Parashari

> this will not be true unless they are lords of the Trines also> simultaneously. Amongst benefics the evil nature of Jupiter and Venus> when they are lords of the Angles is extraordinary. If they own or

> occupy the Maraka sthana as lords of the Angles they become powerful> killers.> > So jupiter as lord of 4,7,10 is not good unless it also owns a trine> > Regards> kiran>

> , " nameisego " > nameisego@ wrote:

> >> > Dear All,> > > > In my experience, I have always found that Jupiter, saturn , Rahu etc > > always give two types of effects when they occupy a house.> > If Guru destroys shayya sukham, he gives Lot of money as he destroys

> > expenses.> > > > I would be happy to learn more from other's experiences.> > > > Be blessed> > > > Tatvam-Asi> >>

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Hare rama krishna ,

dear neelam gupta ji ,

 

i also dont consider this karako bavavnashaya theoreys .

 

I would Like to know ur opinion abt jeeva karakas ( the karakas with life ) like moon in 4th .venus in 7th and jup in 5th and 11th .Sun in 9th etc (but again i wont find it denies those results ,were as may show some tension in the bhavas concerned )

 

I read in one article of Sri .K N raoji that jup in 11th may show ur eldest of ur mother {.(while he was discussing late sri chandrasekharjis chart ( EX PM ) }

 

BUt knows some kundalies of this grp memebrs itself ,it wont show that results ,DO u know any riders for this .

 

I am of the opinion other karakas unless afflicted need not show the bad results .

 

Thank u for wonderful post ,

 

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

 

, "neelam gupta" <neelamgupta07 wrote:>> Dear Shri Sunil ji> > Nmae is ego ji is talking abt the bhava were ever jup is sitting will be> destroyed and sani will enhance the bhava ...> This point is not easy to digest. Haven't we just finished praising Jupiter> in lagan. It is supposed to be equally beneficial in other houses except> when it is also the karak as parashar says 'Karko Bhavnashay'. So in> reference to 5H, it is said that Jupiter in 5th will not give a son. But> here again it has been explained that when karak is in the bhav, then any> malefic influence will simultaneously affect the bhav and karak and hence> can be disastrous. If this combination is under benefic influence, there is> no reason for it to destroy the bhav.> > regards> neelam> > > On 04/02/2008, sunil nair astro_tellerkerala wrote:> >> >> >> > Hare rama krishna .> >> > dear kiran ji .> >> >> >> > I think u r mixing the things .> >> >> >> > Nmae is ego ji is talking abt the bhava were ever jup is sitting will be> > destroyed and sani will enhance the bhava .> >> >> >> > were as laghu parasari is talking abt dasa phala nirupana ,means results> > of planets in dasas .> >> >> >> > U can check for chart with benefics in 4th house and malefics in 4th house> > .> >> >> >> > see how they r operating .As 4th rules vehicles ,property ,education and> > mother generaly along with bhava of happiness in family life .( always use> > house /Lord /karak for clear results ,so karak for mother is moon ,happiness> > isjup and comfort and vehicles is venus and education is merc ) ,So u can> > find how reult will vary .> >> >> >> > a planet will support the bhava previous to it like acting like a food for> > mouth -so bad food destroys and good food nourishes .Also benefics in a> > bhava enhances that bhava .Then all other rules shud be applied As a chart> > as whole .> >> >> >> > For example the chart of amitabh has jup in 6th house .house enmy debts> > and deceases.> >> > he has hardly any enemies ,but had debts as jup also karaka for money (> > for him jup is lord of 2nd also as he is kumbha lagna ) .has a weak body and> > some times this deceases re appears also gets cured .> >> >> >> > even in some charts posted here for discussions by renuji were jup in 6th> > house tread u can see sani is in 12th house and never given sayya sukha to> > that lady .> >> > Now some replys for ur general queries :-> >> > ===========================> >> > SO bad planets n 2nd house ( its house of speach also ) --can giv a nativ> > who uses bad or firy words .> >> > 4th can reduce happiness .> >> > 7th is house of partner and maraka for self .> >> > 8th is marka to partner and will not support 7th bhava .> >> > Also pls note malefics in lagna may effect the temperament and thinking of> > a person .Moon aflicted too much can show mental tensions to mental problems> > resulting to insanity .also venus heavily afflicted can amnt to bad sexual> > preference to loose character .So there r certian areas we can remedy and> > there are we can avoid or even reject the chart as a whole .> >> >> >> > we hav see chart as whole .Its not a mechanical matchting .There is 3> > kinds of results a nativ can enjoy by karma vipaka .One is changeable ,next> > is changeable with efforts and 3rd is fixed ,no way u can remedy it .So use> > our logik and experiences while doing the chart .The more u r doing> > seriously then the planets itself will speak their storey to us .( even> > when in doubt i asked many times the parents to bring the girl ( to their> > parents ) and see the face and hand for more confirmation of results, i> > think if in hand also repeating then cannot be remedied ) And what ever way> > we match there is an amount of destiny that good matched person may reject> > this proposal and go for another one and the person may settle for lower> > matched one .As they cannot also wait for best match .> >> >> >> > so we r using the portion of free will applicable to a mans life .The> > percentage can vary from chart to chart and individual to individual .> >> >> >> > Thats is why astrology is more spiritual than a pure science .> >> > when we hav deceases we took medicines ,do we check charts for longitivity> > and avoid medicne ? .Or if some astrologer may say good time for u and if u> > sent a malecious mail or treatening mail to prime minister do u think u will> > b spared because ur time is good .So again that karama of sending a> > treatening mail changes our results .> >> > Finaly astrology is talking abt some total of ur karma s ,Chart will say> > till ur birth and prashna will say till u consult astrologer for the matter> > .Bad chart indication and good Indications in prashna can show that u r> > doing ur karmas in right direction s and its giving its fruits in this birth> > itself by grace of god .> >> >> >> > hope now its clear> >> >> >> > regrds sunil nair> >> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah> >> >> >> >> > , "kiran.rama" kiran.rama@> > wrote:> > >> > > nameisegoji,> > >> > > there is support in laghu parasari that jupiter may not always give> > > good results:> > >> > > Here is what laghu parasari has to say about beneficity of Jupiter:> > >> > > It is commonly believed that benefics (Jupiter, Venus, strong Moon and> > > well associated Mercury) when they own Angles by sing i.e. 4th, 7th> > > and 10th houses they give good results; but as per Laghu Parashari> > > this will not be true unless they are lords of the Trines also> > > simultaneously. Amongst benefics the evil nature of Jupiter and Venus> > > when they are lords of the Angles is extraordinary. If they own or> > > occupy the Maraka sthana as lords of the Angles they become powerful> > > killers.> > >> > > So jupiter as lord of 4,7,10 is not good unless it also owns a trine> > >> > > Regards> > > kiran> > >> > > , "nameisego"> > > nameisego@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear All,> > > >> > > > In my experience, I have always found that Jupiter, saturn , Rahu etc> > > > always give two types of effects when they occupy a house.> > > > If Guru destroys shayya sukham, he gives Lot of money as he destroys> > > > expenses.> > > >> > > > I would be happy to learn more from other's experiences.> > > >> > > > Be blessed> > > >> > > > Tatvam-Asi> > > >> > >> >> > > >>

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That sloka does mention that there should be no yuti and/or aspect. Also there is no carpet bombing effect- all the characteristics are not destroyed. That can happen only if the 12th house lord is also in a dustana, papakartari etc. In fact Jupiter in the 12th ensures that money is not spent in undesirable activities thereby reducing chances of vices. It also represents the later/last stage of life which is then passed in spiritual pursuits.--- On Mon, 4/2/08, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:

neelam gupta <neelamgupta07Re: Re: "Jupiter in 12th house may make a woman a widow". - Date: Monday, 4 February, 2008, 11:03 AM

 

 

Dear Shri Sunil jiNmae is ego ji is talking abt the bhava were ever jup is sitting will be destroyed and sani will enhance the bhava ...This point is not easy to digest. Haven't we just finished praising Jupiter in lagan. It is supposed to be equally beneficial in other houses except when it is also the karak as parashar says 'Karko Bhavnashay'. So in reference to 5H, it is said that Jupiter in 5th will not give a son. But here again it has been explained that when karak is in the bhav, then any malefic influence will simultaneously affect the bhav and karak and hence can be disastrous. If this combination is under benefic influence, there is no reason for it to destroy the bhav. regardsneelam

On 04/02/2008, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala@ .co. in> wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hare rama krishna .

dear kiran ji .

 

I think u r mixing the things .

 

Nmae is ego ji is talking abt the bhava were ever jup is sitting will be destroyed and sani will enhance the bhava .

 

were as laghu parasari is talking abt dasa phala nirupana ,means results of planets in dasas .

 

U can check for chart with benefics in 4th house and malefics in 4th house .

 

see how they r operating .As 4th rules vehicles ,property ,education and mother generaly along with bhava of happiness in family life .( always use house /Lord /karak for clear results ,so karak for mother is moon ,happiness isjup and comfort and vehicles is venus and education is merc ) ,So u can find how reult will vary .

 

a planet will support the bhava previous to it like acting like a food for mouth -so bad food destroys and good food nourishes .Also benefics in a bhava enhances that bhava .Then all other rules shud be applied As a chart as whole .

 

For example the chart of amitabh has jup in 6th house .house enmy debts and deceases.

he has hardly any enemies ,but had debts as jup also karaka for money ( for him jup is lord of 2nd also as he is kumbha lagna ) .has a weak body and some times this deceases re appears also gets cured .

 

even in some charts posted here for discussions by renuji were jup in 6th house tread u can see sani is in 12th house and never given sayya sukha to that lady .

Now some replys for ur general queries :-

============ ========= ======

SO bad planets n 2nd house ( its house of speach also ) --can giv a nativ who uses bad or firy words .

4th can reduce happiness .

7th is house of partner and maraka for self .

8th is marka to partner and will not support 7th bhava .

Also pls note malefics in lagna may effect the temperament and thinking of a person .Moon aflicted too much can show mental tensions to mental problems resulting to insanity .also venus heavily afflicted can amnt to bad sexual preference to loose character .So there r certian areas we can remedy and there are we can avoid or even reject the chart as a whole .

 

we hav see chart as whole .Its not a mechanical matchting .There is 3 kinds of results a nativ can enjoy by karma vipaka .One is changeable ,next is changeable with efforts and 3rd is fixed ,no way u can remedy it .So use our logik and experiences while doing the chart .The more u r doing seriously then the planets itself will speak their storey to us .( even when in doubt i asked many times the parents to bring the girl ( to their parents ) and see the face and hand for more confirmation of results, i think if in hand also repeating then cannot be remedied ) And what ever way we match there is an amount of destiny that good matched person may reject this proposal and go for another one and the person may settle for lower matched one .As they cannot also wait for best match .

 

so we r using the portion of free will applicable to a mans life .The percentage can vary from chart to chart and individual to individual .

 

Thats is why astrology is more spiritual than a pure science .

when we hav deceases we took medicines ,do we check charts for longitivity and avoid medicne ? .Or if some astrologer may say good time for u and if u sent a malecious mail or treatening mail to prime minister do u think u will b spared because ur time is good .So again that karama of sending a treatening mail changes our results .

Finaly astrology is talking abt some total of ur karma s ,Chart will say till ur birth and prashna will say till u consult astrologer for the matter .Bad chart indication and good Indications in prashna can show that u r doing ur karmas in right direction s and its giving its fruits in this birth itself by grace of god .

 

hope now its clear

 

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah

 

 

ancient_indian_ astrology, "kiran.rama" <kiran.rama@. ..> wrote:>> nameisegoji,> > there is support in laghu parasari that jupiter may not always give> good results:> > Here is what laghu parasari has to say about beneficity of Jupiter:> > It is commonly believed that benefics (Jupiter, Venus, strong Moon and> well associated Mercury) when they own Angles by sing i.e. 4th, 7th> and 10th houses they give good results; but as per Laghu Parashari> this will not be true unless they are lords of the Trines also> simultaneously. Amongst benefics the evil nature of Jupiter and Venus> when they are lords of the Angles is extraordinary. If they own or> occupy the Maraka sthana as lords of the Angles they become powerful>

killers.> > So jupiter as lord of 4,7,10 is not good unless it also owns a trine> > Regards> kiran> > ancient_indian_ astrology, "nameisego"> nameisego@ wrote:> >> > Dear All,> > > > In my experience, I have always found that Jupiter, saturn , Rahu etc > > always give two types of effects when they occupy a house.> > If Guru destroys shayya sukham, he gives Lot of money as he destroys > > expenses.> > > > I would be happy to learn more from other's experiences.> > > > Be blessed> > > > Tatvam-Asi> >>

 

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Dear Sunil ji,I think you are right. Karakas, only when afflicted, especially in the concerned bhav, give bad results.

I think the rule is more applicable to jeev. A jeev karak will be good for the jeev of the house unless it is afflicted. In case of affliction, when out of bhav-bhavesh-karak, two get afflicted simultaneously, naturally the results are not good.

e.g Jupiter in 11H is the karak for elder siblings in bhav for elder siblings. Here if this jupiter is under malefic influence, it will not be able to give an elder sibling, but if it is not afflicted, there will be elder siblings provided bhavesh and other factors also support this. If this jupiter is also bhavesh, for 11th house, then any affliction will surely result in negativity for the jeev (which is elder sibling in this case). There is enough support to proove this. KNRs research also says that rahu in 3rd house makes you the youngest of the siblings or youngest amongst the same sex and rahu in 11th will make you the eldest. This logic is also based on the malefic influence on the house. If karak mars in 3H is not afflicted, it gives younger siblings but when it comes under malefic influence in 3rd, most certainly, jeev is lost.

But regarding non-jeev characteristics, the same mars, karak for bravery in 3rd house of bravery will give energy, enterprise, sports, etc. Mars in 4H as karak for property gives property, though it can harm the jeev.

If we take the case of Jupiter in 5th house, I have seen it gives son when there is no malefic influence on it. But in this case, even one malefic influence will reduce the good effects and I have several charts showing Jupiter in 5H conjunct or aspected by malefics, where natives have got girls only. (Here I am not debating about whether girl's or boys are equal or not, but our classics say 'santan sukh' and here some people do not get that sukh till they give birth to a boy.)

Jupiter as jupiter cannot reduce the result of any bhav only by virtue of its position in that bhav and saturn cannot enhance the effects of bhav. In n-number of cases saturn has harmed 7H jeev.

Normally we can derive results based on the influences on bhav-bhavesh-karak primarily and secondarily looking at these three from moon. Then we see the navamsh, bhavat-bhavam, and other vargas, etc. And in doing all this, we must keep the planetary characteristics, sign characteristics and their inter-relationships (remember the plant and land theorem of Sreenadhji) always in mind, alongwith dasha-transit. A synthesis of all these and god's grace can lead us to right analysis.

regardsneelamOn 04/02/2008, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Hare rama krishna ,

dear neelam gupta ji ,

 

i also dont consider this karako bavavnashaya theoreys .

 

I would Like to know ur opinion abt jeeva karakas ( the karakas with life ) like moon in 4th .venus in 7th and jup in 5th and 11th .Sun in 9th etc (but again i wont find it denies those results ,were as may show some tension in the bhavas concerned )

 

I read in one article of Sri .K N raoji that jup in 11th may show ur eldest of ur mother {.(while he was discussing late sri chandrasekharjis chart ( EX PM ) }

 

BUt knows some kundalies of this grp memebrs itself ,it wont show that results ,DO u know any riders for this .

 

I am of the opinion other karakas unless afflicted need not show the bad results .

 

Thank u for wonderful post ,

 

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

 

, " neelam gupta " <neelamgupta07 wrote:

>> Dear Shri Sunil ji> > Nmae is ego ji is talking abt the bhava were ever jup is sitting will be> destroyed and sani will enhance the bhava ...> This point is not easy to digest. Haven't we just finished praising Jupiter

> in lagan. It is supposed to be equally beneficial in other houses except> when it is also the karak as parashar says 'Karko Bhavnashay'. So in> reference to 5H, it is said that Jupiter in 5th will not give a son. But

> here again it has been explained that when karak is in the bhav, then any> malefic influence will simultaneously affect the bhav and karak and hence> can be disastrous. If this combination is under benefic influence, there is

> no reason for it to destroy the bhav.> > regards> neelam> > > On 04/02/2008, sunil nair astro_tellerkerala wrote:

> >> >> >> > Hare rama krishna .> >> > dear kiran ji .> >> >> >> > I think u r mixing the things .> >> >

> >> > Nmae is ego ji is talking abt the bhava were ever jup is sitting will be> > destroyed and sani will enhance the bhava .> >> >> >> > were as laghu parasari is talking abt dasa phala nirupana ,means results

> > of planets in dasas .> >> >> >> > U can check for chart with benefics in 4th house and malefics in 4th house> > .> >> >> >> > see how they r operating .As 4th rules vehicles ,property ,education and

> > mother generaly along with bhava of happiness in family life .( always use> > house /Lord /karak for clear results ,so karak for mother is moon ,happiness> > isjup and comfort and vehicles is venus and education is merc ) ,So u can

> > find how reult will vary .> >> >> >> > a planet will support the bhava previous to it like acting like a food for> > mouth -so bad food destroys and good food nourishes .Also benefics in a

> > bhava enhances that bhava .Then all other rules shud be applied As a chart> > as whole .> >> >> >> > For example the chart of amitabh has jup in 6th house .house enmy debts

> > and deceases.> >> > he has hardly any enemies ,but had debts as jup also karaka for money (> > for him jup is lord of 2nd also as he is kumbha lagna ) .has a weak body and> > some times this deceases re appears also gets cured .

> >> >> >> > even in some charts posted here for discussions by renuji were jup in 6th> > house tread u can see sani is in 12th house and never given sayya sukha to> > that lady .

> >> > Now some replys for ur general queries :-> >> > ===========================> >> > SO bad planets n 2nd house ( its house of speach also ) --can giv a nativ

> > who uses bad or firy words .> >> > 4th can reduce happiness .> >> > 7th is house of partner and maraka for self .> >> > 8th is marka to partner and will not support 7th bhava .

> >> > Also pls note malefics in lagna may effect the temperament and thinking of> > a person .Moon aflicted too much can show mental tensions to mental problems> > resulting to insanity .also venus heavily afflicted can amnt to bad sexual

> > preference to loose character .So there r certian areas we can remedy and> > there are we can avoid or even reject the chart as a whole .> >> >> >> > we hav see chart as whole .Its not a mechanical matchting .There is 3

> > kinds of results a nativ can enjoy by karma vipaka .One is changeable ,next> > is changeable with efforts and 3rd is fixed ,no way u can remedy it .So use> > our logik and experiences while doing the chart .The more u r doing

> > seriously then the planets itself will speak their storey to us .( even> > when in doubt i asked many times the parents to bring the girl ( to their> > parents ) and see the face and hand for more confirmation of results, i

> > think if in hand also repeating then cannot be remedied ) And what ever way> > we match there is an amount of destiny that good matched person may reject> > this proposal and go for another one and the person may settle for lower

> > matched one .As they cannot also wait for best match .> >> >> >> > so we r using the portion of free will applicable to a mans life .The> > percentage can vary from chart to chart and individual to individual .

> >> >> >> > Thats is why astrology is more spiritual than a pure science .> >> > when we hav deceases we took medicines ,do we check charts for longitivity> > and avoid medicne ? .Or if some astrologer may say good time for u and if u

> > sent a malecious mail or treatening mail to prime minister do u think u will> > b spared because ur time is good .So again that karama of sending a> > treatening mail changes our results .

> >> > Finaly astrology is talking abt some total of ur karma s ,Chart will say> > till ur birth and prashna will say till u consult astrologer for the matter> > .Bad chart indication and good Indications in prashna can show that u r

> > doing ur karmas in right direction s and its giving its fruits in this birth> > itself by grace of god .> >> >> >> > hope now its clear> >> >

> >> > regrds sunil nair> >> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah> >> >> >> >> > , " kiran.rama " kiran.rama@

> > wrote:> > >> > > nameisegoji,> > >> > > there is support in laghu parasari that jupiter may not always give> > > good results:> > >

> > > Here is what laghu parasari has to say about beneficity of Jupiter:> > >> > > It is commonly believed that benefics (Jupiter, Venus, strong Moon and> > > well associated Mercury) when they own Angles by sing i.e. 4th, 7th

> > > and 10th houses they give good results; but as per Laghu Parashari> > > this will not be true unless they are lords of the Trines also> > > simultaneously. Amongst benefics the evil nature of Jupiter and Venus

> > > when they are lords of the Angles is extraordinary. If they own or> > > occupy the Maraka sthana as lords of the Angles they become powerful> > > killers.> > >> > > So jupiter as lord of 4,7,10 is not good unless it also owns a trine

> > >> > > Regards> > > kiran> > >> > > , " nameisego "

> > > nameisego@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear All,> > > >> > > > In my experience, I have always found that Jupiter, saturn , Rahu etc> > > > always give two types of effects when they occupy a house.

> > > > If Guru destroys shayya sukham, he gives Lot of money as he destroys> > > > expenses.> > > >> > > > I would be happy to learn more from other's experiences.

> > > >> > > > Be blessed> > > >> > > > Tatvam-Asi> > > >> > >> >> > > >>

[Guest guest]

Hare rama krishna .

dear neelam gupta ji .

 

Thanks for the mail .yes we hav to see chart as whole than just following some dictum blindly .

 

If some one has charts to discuss it will be a great help with feed backs .

 

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

 

, "neelam gupta" <neelamgupta07 wrote:>> Dear Sunil ji,> I think you are right. Karakas, only when afflicted, especially in the> concerned bhav, give bad results.> I think the rule is more applicable to jeev. A jeev karak will be good for> the jeev of the house unless it is afflicted. In case of affliction, when> out of bhav-bhavesh-karak, two get afflicted simultaneously, naturally the> results are not good.> e.g Jupiter in 11H is the karak for elder siblings in bhav for elder> siblings. Here if this jupiter is under malefic influence, it will not be> able to give an elder sibling, but if it is not afflicted, there will be> elder siblings provided bhavesh and other factors also support this. If this> jupiter is also bhavesh, for 11th house, then any affliction will surely> result in negativity for the jeev (which is elder sibling in this case).> There is enough support to proove this. KNRs research also says that rahu in> 3rd house makes you the youngest of the siblings or youngest amongst the> same sex and rahu in 11th will make you the eldest. This logic is also based> on the malefic influence on the house. If karak mars in 3H is not afflicted,> it gives younger siblings but when it comes under malefic influence in 3rd,> most certainly, jeev is lost.> But regarding non-jeev characteristics, the same mars, karak for bravery in> 3rd house of bravery will give energy, enterprise, sports, etc. Mars in 4H> as karak for property gives property, though it can harm the jeev.> If we take the case of Jupiter in 5th house, I have seen it gives son when> there is no malefic influence on it. But in this case, even one malefic> influence will reduce the good effects and I have several charts showing> Jupiter in 5H conjunct or aspected by malefics, where natives have got girls> only. (Here I am not debating about whether girl's or boys are equal or not,> but our classics say 'santan sukh' and here some people do not get that sukh> till they give birth to a boy.)> Jupiter as jupiter cannot reduce the result of any bhav only by virtue of> its position in that bhav and saturn cannot enhance the effects of bhav. In> n-number of cases saturn has harmed 7H jeev.> Normally we can derive results based on the influences on bhav-bhavesh-karak> primarily and secondarily looking at these three from moon. Then we see the> navamsh, bhavat-bhavam, and other vargas, etc. And in doing all this, we> must keep the planetary characteristics, sign characteristics and their> inter-relationships (remember the plant and land theorem of Sreenadhji)> always in mind, alongwith dasha-transit. A synthesis of all these and god's> grace can lead us to right analysis.> regards> neelam> > > > On 04/02/2008, sunil nair astro_tellerkerala wrote:> >> >> >> > Hare rama krishna ,> >> > dear neelam gupta ji ,> >> >> >> > i also dont consider this karako bavavnashaya theoreys .> >> >> >> > I would Like to know ur opinion abt jeeva karakas ( the karakas with life> > ) like moon in 4th .venus in 7th and jup in 5th and 11th .Sun in 9th etc> > (but again i wont find it denies those results ,were as may show some> > tension in the bhavas concerned )> >> >> >> > I read in one article of Sri .K N raoji that jup in 11th may show ur> > eldest of ur mother {.(while he was discussing late sri chandrasekharjis> > chart ( EX PM ) }> >> >> >> > BUt knows some kundalies of this grp memebrs itself ,it wont show that> > results ,DO u know any riders for this .> >> >> >> > I am of the opinion other karakas unless afflicted need not show the> > bad results .> >> >> >> > Thank u for wonderful post ,> >> >> >> > regrds sunil nair> >> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> >> >> >> >> > , "neelam gupta"> > neelamgupta07@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Shri Sunil ji> > >> > > Nmae is ego ji is talking abt the bhava were ever jup is sitting will be> > > destroyed and sani will enhance the bhava ...> > > This point is not easy to digest. Haven't we just finished praising> > Jupiter> > > in lagan. It is supposed to be equally beneficial in other houses except> > > when it is also the karak as parashar says 'Karko Bhavnashay'. So in> > > reference to 5H, it is said that Jupiter in 5th will not give a son. But> > > here again it has been explained that when karak is in the bhav, then> > any> > > malefic influence will simultaneously affect the bhav and karak and> > hence> > > can be disastrous. If this combination is under benefic influence, there> > is> > > no reason for it to destroy the bhav.> > >> > > regards> > > neelam> > >> > >> > > On 04/02/2008, sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Hare rama krishna .> > > >> > > > dear kiran ji .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > I think u r mixing the things .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Nmae is ego ji is talking abt the bhava were ever jup is sitting will> > be> > > > destroyed and sani will enhance the bhava .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > were as laghu parasari is talking abt dasa phala nirupana ,means> > results> > > > of planets in dasas .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > U can check for chart with benefics in 4th house and malefics in 4th> > house> > > > .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > see how they r operating .As 4th rules vehicles ,property ,education> > and> > > > mother generaly along with bhava of happiness in family life .( always> > use> > > > house /Lord /karak for clear results ,so karak for mother is moon> > ,happiness> > > > isjup and comfort and vehicles is venus and education is merc ) ,So u> > can> > > > find how reult will vary .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > a planet will support the bhava previous to it like acting like a food> > for> > > > mouth -so bad food destroys and good food nourishes .Also benefics in> > a> > > > bhava enhances that bhava .Then all other rules shud be applied As a> > chart> > > > as whole .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > For example the chart of amitabh has jup in 6th house .house enmy> > debts> > > > and deceases.> > > >> > > > he has hardly any enemies ,but had debts as jup also karaka for money> > (> > > > for him jup is lord of 2nd also as he is kumbha lagna ) .has a weak> > body and> > > > some times this deceases re appears also gets cured .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > even in some charts posted here for discussions by renuji were jup in> > 6th> > > > house tread u can see sani is in 12th house and never given sayya> > sukha to> > > > that lady .> > > >> > > > Now some replys for ur general queries :-> > > >> > > > ===========================> > > >> > > > SO bad planets n 2nd house ( its house of speach also ) --can giv a> > nativ> > > > who uses bad or firy words .> > > >> > > > 4th can reduce happiness .> > > >> > > > 7th is house of partner and maraka for self .> > > >> > > > 8th is marka to partner and will not support 7th bhava .> > > >> > > > Also pls note malefics in lagna may effect the temperament and> > thinking of> > > > a person .Moon aflicted too much can show mental tensions to mental> > problems> > > > resulting to insanity .also venus heavily afflicted can amnt to bad> > sexual> > > > preference to loose character .So there r certian areas we can remedy> > and> > > > there are we can avoid or even reject the chart as a whole .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > we hav see chart as whole .Its not a mechanical matchting .There is 3> > > > kinds of results a nativ can enjoy by karma vipaka .One is changeable> > ,next> > > > is changeable with efforts and 3rd is fixed ,no way u can remedy it> > .So use> > > > our logik and experiences while doing the chart .The more u r doing> > > > seriously then the planets itself will speak their storey to us .(> > even> > > > when in doubt i asked many times the parents to bring the girl ( to> > their> > > > parents ) and see the face and hand for more confirmation of results,> > i> > > > think if in hand also repeating then cannot be remedied ) And what> > ever way> > > > we match there is an amount of destiny that good matched person may> > reject> > > > this proposal and go for another one and the person may settle for> > lower> > > > matched one .As they cannot also wait for best match .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > so we r using the portion of free will applicable to a mans life .The> > > > percentage can vary from chart to chart and individual to individual .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Thats is why astrology is more spiritual than a pure science .> > > >> > > > when we hav deceases we took medicines ,do we check charts for> > longitivity> > > > and avoid medicne ? .Or if some astrologer may say good time for u and> > if u> > > > sent a malecious mail or treatening mail to prime minister do u think> > u will> > > > b spared because ur time is good .So again that karama of sending a> > > > treatening mail changes our results .> > > >> > > > Finaly astrology is talking abt some total of ur karma s ,Chart will> > say> > > > till ur birth and prashna will say till u consult astrologer for the> > matter> > > > .Bad chart indication and good Indications in prashna can show that u> > r> > > > doing ur karmas in right direction s and its giving its fruits in this> > birth> > > > itself by grace of god .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > hope now its clear> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > regrds sunil nair> > > >> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > , "kiran.rama"> > kiran.rama@> > > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > nameisegoji,> > > > >> > > > > there is support in laghu parasari that jupiter may not always give> > > > > good results:> > > > >> > > > > Here is what laghu parasari has to say about beneficity of Jupiter:> > > > >> > > > > It is commonly believed that benefics (Jupiter, Venus, strong Moon> > and> > > > > well associated Mercury) when they own Angles by sing i.e. 4th, 7th> > > > > and 10th houses they give good results; but as per Laghu Parashari> > > > > this will not be true unless they are lords of the Trines also> > > > > simultaneously. Amongst benefics the evil nature of Jupiter and> > Venus> > > > > when they are lords of the Angles is extraordinary. If they own or> > > > > occupy the Maraka sthana as lords of the Angles they become powerful> > > > > killers.> > > > >> > > > > So jupiter as lord of 4,7,10 is not good unless it also owns a trine> > > > >> > > > > Regards> > > > > kiran> > > > >> > > > > , "nameisego"> > > > > nameisego@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear All,> > > > > >> > > > > > In my experience, I have always found that Jupiter, saturn , Rahu> > etc> > > > > > always give two types of effects when they occupy a house.> > > > > > If Guru destroys shayya sukham, he gives Lot of money as he> > destroys> > > > > > expenses.> > > > > >> > > > > > I would be happy to learn more from other's experiences.> > > > > >> > > > > > Be blessed> > > > > >> > > > > > Tatvam-Asi> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > >>