Guest guest Posted February 2, 2008 Report Share Posted February 2, 2008 Dear Members, On the birth data posted by Ms. Neelam Gupta, my analysis of his current predicament {though a post mortem analysis}, ensured that I do NOT repeat what has been said before and intend to be original. Birth Data: Male, 29-April-1959, 22:30hrs, Delhi. Software Used : Jhora, Lahiri Ayanamsa Query : Career, Divorce, Wife & Children do not like him 1) Native lost his job with advent of Saturn Mahadasha {dasha started on 27-Sept-2007} 2) The basic traits of this native are - money minded, irritable temper, argumentive nature, agressive nature, fixed ideas or mental nature, making him unpopular amongst his family and work place. 3) We have discussed enough earlier on debilitated planets, here the 7HL & 10HL Mercury is debilitated in 4H conjunct with Ketu, Rahu in 10H. The point that debilitated planet spoils the house in which it is placed and as houses it aspects. Mercury connection with 4H & 10H is confirmed in terms of its effect. Wife anxiously looking forward to divorce & native lost his job for the actions during Jupiter-Rahu period. 4) See the condition of Rahu using the dispositor theory {applying Sri K.N. Rao method here}. 5) 8HL Moon exalted in amsa, gave him good income also ensured that financial upsets. See Moon is in trine to 10H. 8H is 11H from 10H. 6) Venus karaka for wife is in 6H in Taurus sign, gave him a agressive lady, who would give tit for tat replies and aspecting Jupiter the LL. The same combination has also given the native constant worries. 7) The person is of acceptable nature, but for his temperament & fiery nature. 8) The karaka for career Saturn, is debilitated in Dashamsa. Sometimes I would prefer to look everything from Dashamsa instead of navamsa for it is true indicator of native's karma assessment 9) In dashamsa, Sun, Jupiter, Venus are all in Mercury Sign, which is debilitated in sign. Notably this Mercury is conjunct with Ketu. 10) Saturn Mahadasha would give some support to sustain career, however, due to its debilitation in dashamsa, NOT so well placed in navamsa, ensures that he does NOT regain his past glory. 11) Jupiter aspecting Venus, Mars aspecting Lagna, Saturn in Lagna, exalted Sun, makes him god fearing or God believing nature. { I think better word to describe instead of saying " religious nature " - correct me on this Ms. Neelam Gupta madamji } With regards, Sreeram_Srinivas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2008 Report Share Posted February 2, 2008 Hare ramakrishan , dear Neelam gupta ji , I agree with sreenivas ji he may get another job and due to sanis position in dasamsa he may not get back his lost glory . I think april -may onwards he can get a job ,esp after the end of april . let us see what is happening . regrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah , "sreeram srinivas" <sreeram64 wrote:>> > Dear Members,> > On the birth data posted by Ms. Neelam Gupta, my analysis of his current> predicament {though a post mortem analysis}, ensured that I do NOT> repeat what has been said before and intend to be original.> > Birth Data: Male, 29-April-1959, 22:30hrs, Delhi.> > Software Used : Jhora, Lahiri Ayanamsa> > Query : Career, Divorce, Wife & Children do not like him> > 1) Native lost his job with advent of Saturn Mahadasha {dasha started on> 27-Sept-2007}> > 2) The basic traits of this native are - money minded, irritable temper,> argumentive nature, agressive nature, fixed ideas or mental nature,> making him unpopular amongst his family and work place.> > 3) We have discussed enough earlier on debilitated planets, here the 7HL> & 10HL Mercury is debilitated in 4H conjunct with Ketu, Rahu in 10H. > The point that debilitated planet spoils the house in which it is placed> and as houses it aspects. Mercury connection with 4H & 10H is> confirmed in terms of its effect. Wife anxiously looking forward to> divorce & native lost his job for the actions during Jupiter-Rahu> period.> > 4) See the condition of Rahu using the dispositor theory {applying Sri> K.N. Rao method here}.> > 5) 8HL Moon exalted in amsa, gave him good income also ensured that> financial upsets. See Moon is in trine to 10H. 8H is 11H from 10H.> > 6) Venus karaka for wife is in 6H in Taurus sign, gave him a agressive> lady, who would give tit for tat replies and aspecting Jupiter the LL. > The same combination has also given the native constant worries.> > 7) The person is of acceptable nature, but for his temperament & fiery> nature.> > 8) The karaka for career Saturn, is debilitated in Dashamsa. Sometimes> I would prefer to look everything from Dashamsa instead of navamsa for> it is true indicator of native's karma assessment> > 9) In dashamsa, Sun, Jupiter, Venus are all in Mercury Sign, which is> debilitated in sign. Notably this Mercury is conjunct with Ketu.> > 10) Saturn Mahadasha would give some support to sustain career, however,> due to its debilitation in dashamsa, NOT so well placed in navamsa,> ensures that he does NOT regain his past glory.> > 11) Jupiter aspecting Venus, Mars aspecting Lagna, Saturn in Lagna,> exalted Sun, makes him god fearing or God believing nature. { I think> better word to describe instead of saying "religious nature" - correct> me on this Ms. Neelam Gupta madamji }> > With regards,> > Sreeram_Srinivas> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2008 Report Share Posted February 2, 2008 Dear Sreenivas ji,Thanks for your analysis which is a learning lesson in itself.I am glad to give my feedback on this: 1) Native lost his job with advent of Saturn Mahadasha {dasha started on 27-Sept-2007} True, sometimes in November 2) The basic traits of this native are - money minded, irritable temper, argumentive nature, agressive nature, fixed ideas or mental nature, making him unpopular amongst his family and work place. True, all of that. 3) We have discussed enough earlier on debilitated planets, here the 7HL & 10HL Mercury is debilitated in 4H conjunct with Ketu, Rahu in 10H. The point that debilitated planet spoils the house in which it is placed and as houses it aspects. Mercury connection with 4H & 10H is confirmed in terms of its effect. Wife anxiously looking forward to divorce & native lost his job for the actions during Jupiter-Rahu period. True, but I guess mercury as lord of 7th and 10th houses, though debilitated will also try to protect its houses. "debilitated planet spoils the house in which it is placed and as houses it aspects" may work for in general but not if the planet is the house lord also. The mercury period has given him a satisfying stint with the NDA and amy. The mercury is however weak to sustain the jobs. In case of 7H, there is no aspect of lord mercury. Thus protection of marriage may not be possible. 4) See the condition of Rahu using the dispositor theory {applying Sri K.N. Rao method here}. 5) 8HL Moon exalted in amsa, gave him good income also ensured that financial upsets. See Moon is in trine to 10H. 8H is 11H from 10H. True 6) Venus karaka for wife is in 6H in Taurus sign, gave him a agressive lady, who would give tit for tat replies and aspecting Jupiter the LL. The same combination has also given the native constant worries. The wife was very dominating and of course aggressive. 7L in 4H (that too debilitated) is also a combination for this. 7) The person is of acceptable nature, but for his temperament & fiery nature. He doesn't appear to be too fiery and sometimes you tend to sympathise with him. His misfortune was to marry a lady who was extremely smart, earned well, very social and who outshone him in all respects. He got a complex and could not sustain the marriage. Incidently, his mother is also very dominating and aggressive. He hates his mother and there is an imbalance in his personality because of this. 8) The karaka for career Saturn, is debilitated in Dashamsa. Sometimes I would prefer to look everything from Dashamsa instead of navamsa for it is true indicator of native's karma assessment Very true. 9) In dashamsa, Sun, Jupiter, Venus are all in Mercury Sign, which is debilitated in sign. Notably this Mercury is conjunct with Ketu. The close degree conjunction with Ketu, which is carried forward in all vargas, Gives the element of delusion and deception to his karmas (here it is not only profession but karmas in general also) 10) Saturn Mahadasha would give some support to sustain career, however, due to its debilitation in dashamsa, NOT so well placed in navamsa, ensures that he does NOT regain his past glory. I also think so. He might be able to procure a job by compromising on salary etc. in sa-sa-mer, (satuen as karak and 2L aspects 10H and mercury is 10L) but mercury is weak and in dashmansh Saturn is debilitated in 5H, 8th from 10th and is in 12th from 10L mercury). So he may be switching jobs. 11) Jupiter aspecting Venus, Mars aspecting Lagna, Saturn in Lagna, exalted Sun, makes him god fearing or God believing nature. { I think better word to describe instead of saying " religious nature " - correct me on this Ms. Neelam Gupta madamji } I said religious nature very broadly, he's god fearing, goes to temples and he is very inclined towards spiritual practices and occult. He's done some art of living courses. (9L Sun in 5H, Jupiter in scorpio in 12th aspected by venus in Taurus and Saturn in lagan). On 02/02/2008, sreeram srinivas <sreeram64 wrote: Dear Members, On the birth data posted by Ms. Neelam Gupta, my analysis of his current predicament {though a post mortem analysis}, ensured that I do NOT repeat what has been said before and intend to be original. Birth Data: Male, 29-April-1959, 22:30hrs, Delhi. Software Used : Jhora, Lahiri Ayanamsa Query : Career, Divorce, Wife & Children do not like him 1) Native lost his job with advent of Saturn Mahadasha {dasha started on 27-Sept-2007} 2) The basic traits of this native are - money minded, irritable temper, argumentive nature, agressive nature, fixed ideas or mental nature, making him unpopular amongst his family and work place. 3) We have discussed enough earlier on debilitated planets, here the 7HL & 10HL Mercury is debilitated in 4H conjunct with Ketu, Rahu in 10H. The point that debilitated planet spoils the house in which it is placed and as houses it aspects. Mercury connection with 4H & 10H is confirmed in terms of its effect. Wife anxiously looking forward to divorce & native lost his job for the actions during Jupiter-Rahu period. 4) See the condition of Rahu using the dispositor theory {applying Sri K.N. Rao method here}. 5) 8HL Moon exalted in amsa, gave him good income also ensured that financial upsets. See Moon is in trine to 10H. 8H is 11H from 10H. 6) Venus karaka for wife is in 6H in Taurus sign, gave him a agressive lady, who would give tit for tat replies and aspecting Jupiter the LL. The same combination has also given the native constant worries. 7) The person is of acceptable nature, but for his temperament & fiery nature. 8) The karaka for career Saturn, is debilitated in Dashamsa. Sometimes I would prefer to look everything from Dashamsa instead of navamsa for it is true indicator of native's karma assessment 9) In dashamsa, Sun, Jupiter, Venus are all in Mercury Sign, which is debilitated in sign. Notably this Mercury is conjunct with Ketu. 10) Saturn Mahadasha would give some support to sustain career, however, due to its debilitation in dashamsa, NOT so well placed in navamsa, ensures that he does NOT regain his past glory. 11) Jupiter aspecting Venus, Mars aspecting Lagna, Saturn in Lagna, exalted Sun, makes him god fearing or God believing nature. { I think better word to describe instead of saying " religious nature " - correct me on this Ms. Neelam Gupta madamji } With regards, Sreeram_Srinivas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2008 Report Share Posted February 2, 2008 Dear Sreenivas ji,Pressed sent button on an incomplete mail. Pls. discard that one.Thanks for your analysis which is a learning lesson in itself.I am glad to give my feedback on this: 1) Native lost his job with advent of Saturn Mahadasha {dasha started on 27-Sept-2007} True, sometimes in November 2) The basic traits of this native are - money minded, irritable temper,argumentive nature, agressive nature, fixed ideas or mental nature,making him unpopular amongst his family and work place. True, all of that. 3) We have discussed enough earlier on debilitated planets, here the 7HL & 10HL Mercury is debilitated in 4H conjunct with Ketu, Rahu in 10H. The point that debilitated planet spoils the house in which it is placed and as houses it aspects. Mercury connection with 4H & 10H is confirmed in terms of its effect. Wife anxiously looking forward to divorce & native lost his job for the actions during Jupiter-Rahu period. True, but I guess mercury as lord of 7th and 10th houses, though debilitated will also try to protect its houses. " debilitated planet spoils the house in which it is placed and as houses it aspects " may work for in general but not if the planet is the house lord also. The mercury period has given him a satisfying stint with the NDA and amy. The mercury is however weak to sustain the jobs. In case of 7H, there is no aspect of lord mercury. Thus protection of marriage may not be possible. 4) See the condition of Rahu using the dispositor theory {applying Sri K.N. Rao method here}.5) 8HL Moon exalted in amsa, gave him good income also ensured that financial upsets. See Moon is in trine to 10H. 8H is 11H from 10H. True 6) Venus karaka for wife is in 6H in Taurus sign, gave him a agressive lady, who would give tit for tat replies and aspecting Jupiter the LL. The same combination has also given the native constant worries. The wife was very dominating and of course aggressive. 7L in 4H (that too debilitated) is also a combination for this. 7) The person is of acceptable nature, but for his temperament & fiery nature. He doesn't appear to be too fiery and sometimes you tend to sympathise with him. His misfortune was to marry a lady who was extremely smart, earned well, very social and who outshone him in all respects. He got a complex and could not sustain the marriage. Incidently, his mother is also very dominating and aggressive. He hates his mother and there is an imbalance in his personality because of this. 8) The karaka for career Saturn, is debilitated in Dashamsa. Sometimes I would prefer to look everything from Dashamsa instead of navamsa for it is true indicator of native's karma assessment Very true. 9) In dashamsa, Sun, Jupiter, Venus are all in Mercury Sign, which is debilitated in sign. Notably this Mercury is conjunct with Ketu. The close degree conjunction with Ketu, which is carried forward in all vargas,Gives the element of delusion and deception to his karmas (here it is not only profession but karmas in general also) 10) Saturn Mahadasha would give some support to sustain career, however, due to its debilitation in dashamsa, NOT so well placed in navamsa, ensures that he does NOT regain his past glory. I also think so. He might be able to procure a job by compromising on salary etc. in sa-sa-mer, (satuen as karak and 2L aspects 10H and mercury is 10L) but mercury is weak and in dashmansh Saturn is debilitated in 5H, 8th from 10th and is in 12th from 10L mercury). So he may be switching jobs. 11) Jupiter aspecting Venus, Mars aspecting Lagna, Saturn in Lagna, exalted Sun, makes him god fearing or God believing nature. { I think better word to describe instead of saying " religious nature " - correct me on this Ms. Neelam Gupta madamji } I said religious nature very broadly, he's god fearing, goes to temples and he is very inclined towards spiritual practices and occult. He's done some art of living courses. (9L Sun in 5H, Jupiter in scorpio in 12th aspected by venus in Taurus and Saturn in lagan). Thanks once again Sreenivas ji. love and regardsneelam On 02/02/2008, sreeram srinivas <sreeram64 wrote: Dear Members, On the birth data posted by Ms. Neelam Gupta, my analysis of his current predicament {though a post mortem analysis}, ensured that I do NOT repeat what has been said before and intend to be original. Birth Data: Male, 29-April-1959, 22:30hrs, Delhi. Software Used : Jhora, Lahiri Ayanamsa Query : Career, Divorce, Wife & Children do not like him 1) Native lost his job with advent of Saturn Mahadasha {dasha started on 27-Sept-2007} 2) The basic traits of this native are - money minded, irritable temper, argumentive nature, agressive nature, fixed ideas or mental nature, making him unpopular amongst his family and work place. 3) We have discussed enough earlier on debilitated planets, here the 7HL & 10HL Mercury is debilitated in 4H conjunct with Ketu, Rahu in 10H. The point that debilitated planet spoils the house in which it is placed and as houses it aspects. Mercury connection with 4H & 10H is confirmed in terms of its effect. Wife anxiously looking forward to divorce & native lost his job for the actions during Jupiter-Rahu period. 4) See the condition of Rahu using the dispositor theory {applying Sri K.N. Rao method here}. 5) 8HL Moon exalted in amsa, gave him good income also ensured that financial upsets. See Moon is in trine to 10H. 8H is 11H from 10H. 6) Venus karaka for wife is in 6H in Taurus sign, gave him a agressive lady, who would give tit for tat replies and aspecting Jupiter the LL. The same combination has also given the native constant worries. 7) The person is of acceptable nature, but for his temperament & fiery nature. 8) The karaka for career Saturn, is debilitated in Dashamsa. Sometimes I would prefer to look everything from Dashamsa instead of navamsa for it is true indicator of native's karma assessment 9) In dashamsa, Sun, Jupiter, Venus are all in Mercury Sign, which is debilitated in sign. Notably this Mercury is conjunct with Ketu. 10) Saturn Mahadasha would give some support to sustain career, however, due to its debilitation in dashamsa, NOT so well placed in navamsa, ensures that he does NOT regain his past glory. 11) Jupiter aspecting Venus, Mars aspecting Lagna, Saturn in Lagna, exalted Sun, makes him god fearing or God believing nature. { I think better word to describe instead of saying " religious nature " - correct me on this Ms. Neelam Gupta madamji } With regards, Sreeram_Srinivas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2008 Report Share Posted February 2, 2008 Namaste Neelam Gupta madamji, HL when debilitated weakens its significations. So in the discussed case, 4H is also effected. 5HL in 7H is a small affliction. If the native was successful till today is primarily due to 9HL exalted in trine again to the lagna. Mercury aspect on 10H and its own house has not much of significance of it does not have strength to protect its house being debilitated. {if debilitated planet also starts protecting its houses {Mercury & Venus}, then astrology definitions would be required to be redefined.....that is my personal opinion...} Second, reason for the native to be successful in his career is due to placement of Rahu in 10H. Interestingly he has SAV 33 in 10H & 4H has 36. Let some other members make attempt in finding reason of 4H!!!!! !!! i.e. effect of SAV 34 points in 4H. ( SAV = Savarshtak Varga bindus). It is my prediction that the native would buy residential property & shift to his house or make investments in immovable property again. With regards, Sreeram_Srinivas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2008 Report Share Posted February 2, 2008 Dear Sreenivas ji,I understand that a planet's primary duty is to deliver results as per its lordship and placement. A planet strengthens its house by forming PAC relationship with it and weakens its house by going to dustanas 6/8/12. A debilitated planet will also try to do so but may or may not succeed depending upon other influences. I have many cases of persons having debilitated planets giving excellent results of their concerned houses. E.g there is a person who has gemini lagan having a debilitated mercury in 10H. He's bought properties whenever he got mercury antar or twice in even pratyantar. There are many more cases like this. We know of cases like Einstien's with a debilitated mercury, or sportsmen with debilitated mars, or filmstars with debilitated venus. (Col Gour says in his book on professions that for filmstars/TV persons, venus should be afflicted/debilitated). With a debilitated planet, may be a person focuses more in that area of life, after all they're all karmic influences on us. It all depends on the influences on the debilitated planet. Being weak, a neech planet can be overpowered easily by the malefic influences. I neech planet, if afflicted may not be able to protect its house or give auspicious results regarding the house.RegardsNeelam On 02/02/2008, sreeram srinivas <sreeram64 wrote: Namaste Neelam Gupta madamji, HL when debilitated weakens its significations. So in the discussed case, 4H is also effected. 5HL in 7H is a small affliction. If the native was successful till today is primarily due to 9HL exalted in trine again to the lagna. Mercury aspect on 10H and its own house has not much of significance of it does not have strength to protect its house being debilitated. {if debilitated planet also starts protecting its houses {Mercury & Venus}, then astrology definitions would be required to be redefined.....that is my personal opinion...} Second, reason for the native to be successful in his career is due to placement of Rahu in 10H. Interestingly he has SAV 33 in 10H & 4H has 36. Let some other members make attempt in finding reason of 4H!!!!! !!! i.e. effect of SAV 34 points in 4H. ( SAV = Savarshtak Varga bindus). It is my prediction that the native would buy residential property & shift to his house or make investments in immovable property again. With regards, Sreeram_Srinivas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2008 Report Share Posted February 2, 2008 Namaste Neelamji.. From your feedback.. ///6) Venus karaka for wife is in 6H in Taurus sign, gave him a agressive lady, who would give tit for tat replies and aspecting Jupiter the LL. The same combination has also given the native constant worries. The wife was very dominating and of course aggressive. 7L in 4H (that too debilitated) is also a combination for this. 7) The person is of acceptable nature, but for his temperament & fiery nature. He doesn't appear to be too fiery and sometimes you tend to sympathise with him. His misfortune was to marry a lady who was extremely smart, earned well, very social and who outshone him in all respects. He got a complex and could not sustain the marriage. Incidently, his mother is also very dominating and aggressive. He hates his mother and there is an imbalance in his personality because of this.//// Venus is atmakarka for this chart... just an observation.. however venus Md does not start till he is in mid nineties.. regards Sheevani , " neelam gupta " <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > Dear Sreenivas ji, > Pressed sent button on an incomplete mail. Pls. discard that one. > Thanks for your analysis which is a learning lesson in itself. > I am glad to give my feedback on this: > 1) Native lost his job with advent of Saturn Mahadasha {dasha started > on27-Sept-2007} > True, sometimes in November > > 2) The basic traits of this native are - money minded, irritable > temper,argumentive nature, agressive nature, fixed ideas or mental > nature,making him unpopular amongst his family and work place. > True, all of that. > > 3) We have discussed enough earlier on debilitated planets, here the 7HL & > 10HL Mercury is debilitated in 4H conjunct with Ketu, Rahu in 10H. The point > that debilitated planet spoils the house in which it is placed and as houses > it aspects. Mercury connection with 4H & 10H is confirmed in terms of its > effect. Wife anxiously looking forward to divorce & native lost his job for > the actions during Jupiter-Rahu period. > True, but I guess mercury as lord of 7th and 10th houses, though debilitated > will also try to protect its houses. " debilitated planet spoils the house in > which it is placed and as houses it aspects " may work for in general but not > if the planet is the house lord also. The mercury period has given him a > satisfying stint with the NDA and amy. The mercury is however weak to > sustain the jobs. In case of 7H, there is no aspect of lord mercury. Thus > protection of marriage may not be possible. > > 4) See the condition of Rahu using the dispositor theory {applying Sri K.N. > Rao method here}. > > 5) 8HL Moon exalted in amsa, gave him good income also ensured that > financial upsets. See Moon is in trine to 10H. 8H is 11H from 10H. > True > > 6) Venus karaka for wife is in 6H in Taurus sign, gave him a agressive lady, > who would give tit for tat replies and aspecting Jupiter the LL. The same > combination has also given the native constant worries. > The wife was very dominating and of course aggressive. 7L in 4H (that too > debilitated) is also a combination for this. > > 7) The person is of acceptable nature, but for his temperament & fiery > nature. > He doesn't appear to be too fiery and sometimes you tend to sympathise with > him. His misfortune was to marry a lady who was extremely smart, earned > well, very social and who outshone him in all respects. He got a complex and > could not sustain the marriage. Incidently, his mother is also very > dominating and aggressive. He hates his mother and there is an imbalance in > his personality because of this. > > 8) The karaka for career Saturn, is debilitated in Dashamsa. Sometimes I > would prefer to look everything from Dashamsa instead of navamsa for it is > true indicator of native's karma assessment > Very true. > > 9) In dashamsa, Sun, Jupiter, Venus are all in Mercury Sign, which is > debilitated in sign. Notably this Mercury is conjunct with Ketu. > The close degree conjunction with Ketu, which is carried forward in all > vargas,Gives the element of delusion and deception to his karmas (here it is > not only profession but karmas in general also) > > 10) Saturn Mahadasha would give some support to sustain career, however, due > to its debilitation in dashamsa, NOT so well placed in navamsa, ensures that > he does NOT regain his past glory. > I also think so. He might be able to procure a job by compromising on salary > etc. in sa-sa-mer, (satuen as karak and 2L aspects 10H and mercury is 10L) > but mercury is weak and in dashmansh Saturn is debilitated in 5H, 8th from > 10th and is in 12th from 10L mercury). So he may be switching jobs. > > 11) Jupiter aspecting Venus, Mars aspecting Lagna, Saturn in Lagna, exalted > Sun, makes him god fearing or God believing nature. { I think better word to > describe instead of saying " religious nature " - correct me on this Ms. > Neelam Gupta madamji } > I said religious nature very broadly, he's god fearing, goes to temples and > he is very inclined towards spiritual practices and occult. He's done some > art of living courses. (9L Sun in 5H, Jupiter in scorpio in 12th aspected by > venus in Taurus and Saturn in lagan). > > Thanks once again Sreenivas ji. > > love and regards > neelam > > On 02/02/2008, sreeram srinivas <sreeram64 wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > On the birth data posted by Ms. Neelam Gupta, my analysis of his current > > > predicament {though a post mortem analysis}, ensured that I do NOT > > > repeat what has been said before and intend to be original. > > > > > > Birth Data: Male, 29-April-1959, 22:30hrs, Delhi. > > > > > > Software Used : Jhora, Lahiri Ayanamsa > > > > > > Query : Career, Divorce, Wife & Children do not like him > > > > > > 1) Native lost his job with advent of Saturn Mahadasha {dasha started on > > > 27-Sept-2007} > > > > > > 2) The basic traits of this native are - money minded, irritable temper, > > > argumentive nature, agressive nature, fixed ideas or mental nature, > > > making him unpopular amongst his family and work place. > > > > > > 3) We have discussed enough earlier on debilitated planets, here the 7HL > > > & 10HL Mercury is debilitated in 4H conjunct with Ketu, Rahu in 10H. > > > The point that debilitated planet spoils the house in which it is placed > > > and as houses it aspects. Mercury connection with 4H & 10H is > > > confirmed in terms of its effect. Wife anxiously looking forward to > > > divorce & native lost his job for the actions during Jupiter- Rahu > > > period. > > > > > > 4) See the condition of Rahu using the dispositor theory {applying Sri > > > K.N. Rao method here}. > > > > > > 5) 8HL Moon exalted in amsa, gave him good income also ensured that > > > financial upsets. See Moon is in trine to 10H. 8H is 11H from 10H. > > > > > > 6) Venus karaka for wife is in 6H in Taurus sign, gave him a agressive > > > lady, who would give tit for tat replies and aspecting Jupiter the LL. > > > The same combination has also given the native constant worries. > > > > > > 7) The person is of acceptable nature, but for his temperament & fiery > > > nature. > > > > > > 8) The karaka for career Saturn, is debilitated in Dashamsa. Sometimes > > > I would prefer to look everything from Dashamsa instead of navamsa for > > > it is true indicator of native's karma assessment > > > > > > 9) In dashamsa, Sun, Jupiter, Venus are all in Mercury Sign, which is > > > debilitated in sign. Notably this Mercury is conjunct with Ketu. > > > > > > 10) Saturn Mahadasha would give some support to sustain career, however, > > > due to its debilitation in dashamsa, NOT so well placed in navamsa, > > > ensures that he does NOT regain his past glory. > > > > > > 11) Jupiter aspecting Venus, Mars aspecting Lagna, Saturn in Lagna, > > > exalted Sun, makes him god fearing or God believing nature. { I think > > > better word to describe instead of saying " religious nature " - correct > > > me on this Ms. Neelam Gupta madamji } > > > > > > With regards, > > > > > > Sreeram_Srinivas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2008 Report Share Posted February 2, 2008 Namaste Shivani ji,I have not gone into the jaimini/ashtakvarga/other methods of analysis. Of course the results should be verifiable through all the techniques.regardsneelamOn 02/02/2008, sheevani147 <sheevani147 wrote: Namaste Neelamji.. From your feedback.. ///6) Venus karaka for wife is in 6H in Taurus sign, gave him a agressive lady, who would give tit for tat replies and aspecting Jupiter the LL. The same combination has also given the native constant worries. The wife was very dominating and of course aggressive. 7L in 4H (that too debilitated) is also a combination for this. 7) The person is of acceptable nature, but for his temperament & fiery nature. He doesn't appear to be too fiery and sometimes you tend to sympathise with him. His misfortune was to marry a lady who was extremely smart, earned well, very social and who outshone him in all respects. He got a complex and could not sustain the marriage. Incidently, his mother is also very dominating and aggressive. He hates his mother and there is an imbalance in his personality because of this.//// Venus is atmakarka for this chart... just an observation.. however venus Md does not start till he is in mid nineties.. regards Sheevani , " neelam gupta " <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > Dear Sreenivas ji, > Pressed sent button on an incomplete mail. Pls. discard that one. > Thanks for your analysis which is a learning lesson in itself. > I am glad to give my feedback on this: > 1) Native lost his job with advent of Saturn Mahadasha {dasha started > on27-Sept-2007} > True, sometimes in November > > 2) The basic traits of this native are - money minded, irritable > temper,argumentive nature, agressive nature, fixed ideas or mental > nature,making him unpopular amongst his family and work place. > True, all of that. > > 3) We have discussed enough earlier on debilitated planets, here the 7HL & > 10HL Mercury is debilitated in 4H conjunct with Ketu, Rahu in 10H. The point > that debilitated planet spoils the house in which it is placed and as houses > it aspects. Mercury connection with 4H & 10H is confirmed in terms of its > effect. Wife anxiously looking forward to divorce & native lost his job for > the actions during Jupiter-Rahu period. > True, but I guess mercury as lord of 7th and 10th houses, though debilitated > will also try to protect its houses. " debilitated planet spoils the house in > which it is placed and as houses it aspects " may work for in general but not > if the planet is the house lord also. The mercury period has given him a > satisfying stint with the NDA and amy. The mercury is however weak to > sustain the jobs. In case of 7H, there is no aspect of lord mercury. Thus > protection of marriage may not be possible. > > 4) See the condition of Rahu using the dispositor theory {applying Sri K.N. > Rao method here}. > > 5) 8HL Moon exalted in amsa, gave him good income also ensured that > financial upsets. See Moon is in trine to 10H. 8H is 11H from 10H. > True > > 6) Venus karaka for wife is in 6H in Taurus sign, gave him a agressive lady, > who would give tit for tat replies and aspecting Jupiter the LL. The same > combination has also given the native constant worries. > The wife was very dominating and of course aggressive. 7L in 4H (that too > debilitated) is also a combination for this. > > 7) The person is of acceptable nature, but for his temperament & fiery > nature. > He doesn't appear to be too fiery and sometimes you tend to sympathise with > him. His misfortune was to marry a lady who was extremely smart, earned > well, very social and who outshone him in all respects. He got a complex and > could not sustain the marriage. Incidently, his mother is also very > dominating and aggressive. He hates his mother and there is an imbalance in > his personality because of this. > > 8) The karaka for career Saturn, is debilitated in Dashamsa. Sometimes I > would prefer to look everything from Dashamsa instead of navamsa for it is > true indicator of native's karma assessment > Very true. > > 9) In dashamsa, Sun, Jupiter, Venus are all in Mercury Sign, which is > debilitated in sign. Notably this Mercury is conjunct with Ketu. > The close degree conjunction with Ketu, which is carried forward in all > vargas,Gives the element of delusion and deception to his karmas (here it is > not only profession but karmas in general also) > > 10) Saturn Mahadasha would give some support to sustain career, however, due > to its debilitation in dashamsa, NOT so well placed in navamsa, ensures that > he does NOT regain his past glory. > I also think so. He might be able to procure a job by compromising on salary > etc. in sa-sa-mer, (satuen as karak and 2L aspects 10H and mercury is 10L) > but mercury is weak and in dashmansh Saturn is debilitated in 5H, 8th from > 10th and is in 12th from 10L mercury). So he may be switching jobs. > > 11) Jupiter aspecting Venus, Mars aspecting Lagna, Saturn in Lagna, exalted > Sun, makes him god fearing or God believing nature. { I think better word to > describe instead of saying " religious nature " - correct me on this Ms. > Neelam Gupta madamji } > I said religious nature very broadly, he's god fearing, goes to temples and > he is very inclined towards spiritual practices and occult. He's done some > art of living courses. (9L Sun in 5H, Jupiter in scorpio in 12th aspected by > venus in Taurus and Saturn in lagan). > > Thanks once again Sreenivas ji. > > love and regards > neelam > > On 02/02/2008, sreeram srinivas <sreeram64 wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > On the birth data posted by Ms. Neelam Gupta, my analysis of his current > > > predicament {though a post mortem analysis}, ensured that I do NOT > > > repeat what has been said before and intend to be original. > > > > > > Birth Data: Male, 29-April-1959, 22:30hrs, Delhi. > > > > > > Software Used : Jhora, Lahiri Ayanamsa > > > > > > Query : Career, Divorce, Wife & Children do not like him > > > > > > 1) Native lost his job with advent of Saturn Mahadasha {dasha started on > > > 27-Sept-2007} > > > > > > 2) The basic traits of this native are - money minded, irritable temper, > > > argumentive nature, agressive nature, fixed ideas or mental nature, > > > making him unpopular amongst his family and work place. > > > > > > 3) We have discussed enough earlier on debilitated planets, here the 7HL > > > & 10HL Mercury is debilitated in 4H conjunct with Ketu, Rahu in 10H. > > > The point that debilitated planet spoils the house in which it is placed > > > and as houses it aspects. Mercury connection with 4H & 10H is > > > confirmed in terms of its effect. Wife anxiously looking forward to > > > divorce & native lost his job for the actions during Jupiter- Rahu > > > period. > > > > > > 4) See the condition of Rahu using the dispositor theory {applying Sri > > > K.N. Rao method here}. > > > > > > 5) 8HL Moon exalted in amsa, gave him good income also ensured that > > > financial upsets. See Moon is in trine to 10H. 8H is 11H from 10H. > > > > > > 6) Venus karaka for wife is in 6H in Taurus sign, gave him a agressive > > > lady, who would give tit for tat replies and aspecting Jupiter the LL. > > > The same combination has also given the native constant worries. > > > > > > 7) The person is of acceptable nature, but for his temperament & fiery > > > nature. > > > > > > 8) The karaka for career Saturn, is debilitated in Dashamsa. Sometimes > > > I would prefer to look everything from Dashamsa instead of navamsa for > > > it is true indicator of native's karma assessment > > > > > > 9) In dashamsa, Sun, Jupiter, Venus are all in Mercury Sign, which is > > > debilitated in sign. Notably this Mercury is conjunct with Ketu. > > > > > > 10) Saturn Mahadasha would give some support to sustain career, however, > > > due to its debilitation in dashamsa, NOT so well placed in navamsa, > > > ensures that he does NOT regain his past glory. > > > > > > 11) Jupiter aspecting Venus, Mars aspecting Lagna, Saturn in Lagna, > > > exalted Sun, makes him god fearing or God believing nature. { I think > > > better word to describe instead of saying " religious nature " - correct > > > me on this Ms. Neelam Gupta madamji } > > > > > > With regards, > > > > > > Sreeram_Srinivas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2008 Report Share Posted February 2, 2008 Dear Srinivas ji, > Let some other members make attempt in finding reason of 4H!!!!! House : Planets : Navamsa 4H : Ke-Me :Ma-Gk Can't that be enough reason, adding to it the fact that even the planet mercury placed in 4th is debilitated or even a planet with Kendradhipatya dosha if some one want to consider that dosha as well (No- i am not in support of considering kendradhipatya dosha here - but just joking). Love and regards, Sreenadh , "sreeram srinivas" <sreeram64 wrote: Re: Jupiter in 12H Namaste Neelam Gupta madamji, HL when debilitated weakens its significations. So in the discussed case, 4H is also effected. 5HL in 7H is a small affliction. If the native was successful till today is primarily due to 9HL exalted in trine again to the lagna. Mercury aspect on 10H and its own house has not much of significance of it does not have strength to protect its house being debilitated. {if debilitated planet also starts protecting its houses {Mercury & Venus}, then astrology definitions would be required to be redefined.....that is my personal opinion...} Second, reason for the native to be successful in his career is due to placement of Rahu in 10H. Interestingly he has SAV 33 in 10H & 4H has 36. Let some other members make attempt in finding reason of 4H!!!!! !!! i.e. effect of SAV 34 points in 4H. ( SAV = Savarshtak Varga bindus). It is my prediction that the native would buy residential property & shift to his house or make investments in immovable property again. With regards, Sreeram_Srinivas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2008 Report Share Posted February 2, 2008 Namaste Neelam Gupta Madamji, The strength of sign or HL determines the "fertility richness" {Fertility word used in context of agriculture produce} of that house/sign. Planets in a house where the sign lord is debilitated, are supposed to be in a barren land, depending upon the other influences on them i.e. benefic aspect - Nitrogenous fertilizer effect or malefic- Single Super Sulphates or Phosphous of 1-2-3 or 2-5-7 formulation -effect. The situation may change based on their navamsa position should they improve. Agreed that debilitated planets also give results, when in upachaya houses. The case you referred of Mercury debilitated in 10H buying properties with every Mercury Antara periods, there may be another reasons for that behavior, would request you to post the birth data, to my knowledge only a rich man Bill Gates can purchase {actually he only purchases software or companies}, could be a Property Dealer doing this ?? May Be.....will analyse once we get details. Enquire whether he is able to make money or hold on to those properties ?? Col Gour mention of debilitated planet for Media, Fashion, Model industry, I am aware of his statement, for such a deb planet, gives a kind of obsession & "besharam" nature {Besharam - mannerless}. Lately I am have been again watching daily a person who has 2 deb planets & his general behavior, discussing it with another member of this group for daily humor & being a student of behavioral psychology, enjoy it as a daily vitamin dose !! Example {RealCase}: One person got into some medical ailment, required immediate medical treatment, if delayed would have been fatal {as per doctor version & every body's realization also}, was in helpless condition { he was alone at that moment}, it so happened his elder brother accidentally happened to drop, noticed the condition, took him to a good hospital got him operated, the person recovered. On recovery the first few statements were - why did you bring to this hospital for their charges are very high !! & started finding fault with his elder brother while lying on hospital bed. Case of debilitated planet in 2H, Sun also debilitated. If you get a chance ask Col Gour & Mr. Ganesh, they woul revel you in their description of debilitated behaviors. Mr. Ganesh sometimes ascribes Modelling akin to prostitution. Perspectives may be different, yet interesting. Yes agree, there are cases of debilitated planet giving results {recall -Romance of Deb. Planet} article on Sri K.N. Rao website}, where many things were discussed leaving out the key 4 points for certain obvious reasons, I also practise them, so know it..... There are few conditions for giving results and answer sometimes lies in vargas. I rely on sages words, after all deb planets have to show their "neechata" somewhere, surely cannot compete with exalted ones. In the case we discussed it was Mercury, karaka for intelligence, in Rahu/Ketu axis, in 4H of logics - what a distorted/perverted intelligent mind the native has........keep an eye to get the details on this....... Kindly do share such cases, from database for discussion here. With regards, Sreeram_Srinivas , "neelam gupta" <neelamgupta07 wrote: Dear Sreenivas ji, I understand that a planet's primary duty is to deliver results as per its lordship and placement. A planet strengthens its house by forming PAC relationship with it and weakens its house by going to dustanas 6/8/12. A debilitated planet will also try to do so but may or may not succeed depending upon other influences. I have many cases of persons having debilitated planets giving excellent results of their concerned houses. E.gthere is a person who has gemini lagan having a debilitated mercury in 10H. He's bought properties whenever he got mercury antar or twice in even pratyantar. There are many more cases like this. We know of cases like Einstien's with a debilitated mercury, or sportsmen with debilitated mars, or filmstars with debilitated venus. (Col Gour says in his book on professions that for filmstars/TV persons, venus should be afflicted/debilitated). With a debilitated planet, may be a person focuses more in that area of life, after all they're all karmic influences on us. It all depends on the influences on the debilitated planet. Being weak, a neech planet can be overpowered easily by the malefic influences. I neech planet, if afflicted may not be able to protect its house or give auspicious results regarding the house. Regards Neelam On 02/02/2008, sreeram srinivas sreeram64 wrote:Namaste Neelam Gupta madamji,HL when debilitated weakens its significations. So in the discussed case, 4H is also effected. 5HL in 7H is a small affliction. If the native was successful till today is primarily due to 9HL exalted in trine again to the lagna. Mercury aspect on 10H and its own house has not muchof significance of it does not have strength to protect its house being debilitated. {if debilitated planet also starts protecting its houses {Mercury & Venus}, then astrology definitions would be required to be redefined.....that is my personal opinion...} Second, reason for the native to be successful in his career is due to placement of Rahu in 10H.Interestingly he has SAV 33 in 10H & 4H has 36. *Let some other members make attempt in finding reason of 4H!!!!! **!!! i.e. effect of SAV 34 points in 4H. ( SAV = Savarshtak Varga bindus).*It is my prediction that the native would buy residential property & shift to his house or make investments in immovable property again.*With regards,*Sreeram_Srinivas* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2008 Report Share Posted February 2, 2008 Dear Sreeram ji, As usual a fine explanation by you:- "The strength of sign or HL determines the "fertility richness" {Fertility word used in context of agriculture produce} of that house/sign. Planets in a house where the sign lord is debilitated, are supposed to be in a barren land, ............." I was going to question you here regarding 'barren land'....ex: if the sign is Pisces it would be a barren land for Mercury but a fertiled land for Venus. How come the land change for different planets? Can it not be that the debilitated lethargic planet who does not want to improve the land?............Then again.... ".........depending upon the other influences on them i.e. benefic aspect - Nitrogenous fertilizer effect or malefic- Single Super Sulphates or Phosphous of 1-2-3 or 2-5-7 formulation -effect. The situation may change based on their navamsa position should they improve. " ........... you did not leave any loopholes:) Kindly post more of this stuff...to keep the forum 'burning' blessings Renu Agreed that debilitated planets , "sreeram srinivas" <sreeram64 wrote:>> > Namaste Neelam Gupta Madamji,> > The strength of sign or HL determines the "fertility richness"> {Fertility word used in context of agriculture produce} of that> house/sign. Planets in a house where the sign lord is debilitated, are> supposed to be in a barren land, depending upon the other influences on> them i.e. benefic aspect - Nitrogenous fertilizer effect or malefic-> Single Super Sulphates or Phosphous of 1-2-3 or 2-5-7 formulation> -effect. The situation may change based on their navamsa position> should they improve.> > Agreed that debilitated planets also give results, when in upachaya > houses. The case you referred of Mercury debilitated in 10H buying> properties with every Mercury Antara periods, there may be another> reasons for that behavior, would request you to post the birth data, to> my knowledge only a rich man Bill Gates can purchase {actually he only> purchases software or companies}, could be a Property Dealer doing this> ?? May Be.....will analyse once we get details. Enquire whether he is> able to make money or hold on to those properties ??> > Col Gour mention of debilitated planet for Media, Fashion, Model> industry, I am aware of his statement, for such a deb planet, gives a> kind of obsession & "besharam" nature {Besharam - mannerless}. Lately> I am have been again watching daily a person who has 2 deb planets & his> general behavior, discussing it with another member of this group for> daily humor & being a student of behavioral psychology, enjoy it as a> daily vitamin dose !!> > Example {RealCase}: One person got into some medical ailment, required> immediate medical treatment, if delayed would have been fatal {as per> doctor version & every body's realization also}, was in helpless> condition { he was alone at that moment}, it so happened his elder> brother accidentally happened to drop, noticed the condition, took him> to a good hospital got him operated, the person recovered. On recovery> the first few statements were - why did you bring to this hospital for> their charges are very high !! & started finding fault with his elder> brother while lying on hospital bed. Case of debilitated planet in> 2H, Sun also debilitated.> > If you get a chance ask Col Gour & Mr. Ganesh, they woul revel you in> their description of debilitated behaviors. Mr. Ganesh sometimes> ascribes Modelling akin to prostitution. Perspectives may be different,> yet interesting.> > Yes agree, there are cases of debilitated planet giving results {recall> -Romance of Deb. Planet} article on Sri K.N. Rao website}, where many> things were discussed leaving out the key 4 points for certain obvious> reasons, I also practise them, so know it..... There are few conditions> for giving results and answer sometimes lies in vargas. I rely on sages> words, after all deb planets have to show their "neechata" somewhere,> surely cannot compete with exalted ones.> > In the case we discussed it was Mercury, karaka for intelligence, in> Rahu/Ketu axis, in 4H of logics - what a distorted/perverted > intelligent mind the native has........keep an eye to get the details on> this.......> > Kindly do share such cases, from database for discussion here.> > With regards,> > Sreeram_Srinivas> > , "neelam gupta"> neelamgupta07@ wrote:> > Dear Sreenivas ji,> I understand that a planet's primary duty is to deliver results as per> its lordship and placement. A planet strengthens its house by forming> PAC relationship with it and weakens its house by going to dustanas> 6/8/12. A debilitated planet will also try to do so but may or may> not succeed depending upon other influences. I have many cases of> persons having> debilitated planets giving excellent results of their concerned > houses. E.gthere is a person who has gemini lagan having a debilitated> mercury in 10H. He's bought properties whenever he got mercury antar> or twice in even pratyantar. There are many more cases like this. We> know of cases like Einstien's with a debilitated mercury, or> sportsmen with debilitated mars, or filmstars with debilitated venus.> (Col Gour says in his book on professions that for filmstars/TV> persons, venus should be afflicted/debilitated). With a debilitated> planet, may be a person focuses more in that area of life, after all> they're all karmic influences on us. It all depends on the influences> on the debilitated planet. Being weak, a neech planet can be> overpowered easily by the malefic influences. I neech planet, if> afflicted may not be able to protect its house or give auspicious> results regarding the house.> Regards> Neelam> > > On 02/02/2008, sreeram srinivas sreeram64@ wrote:> > Namaste Neelam Gupta madamji,> > HL when debilitated weakens its significations. So in the discussed > case, 4H is also effected. 5HL in 7H is a small affliction. If the > native was successful till today is primarily due to 9HL exalted in> trine again to the lagna. Mercury aspect on 10H and its own house has> not much> of significance of it does not have strength to protect its house being> debilitated. {if debilitated planet also starts protecting its houses > {Mercury & Venus}, then astrology definitions would be required to be > redefined.....that is my personal opinion...}> > Second, reason for the native to be successful in his career is due to> placement of Rahu in 10H.> > Interestingly he has SAV 33 in 10H & 4H has 36. *Let some other members > make attempt in finding reason of 4H!!!!! **!!! i.e. effect of SAV 34 > points in 4H. ( SAV = Savarshtak Varga bindus).*> > It is my prediction that the native would buy residential property & > shift to his house or make investments in immovable property again.*> > With regards,*> > Sreeram_Srinivas*> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2008 Report Share Posted February 3, 2008 Dear Renu ji, Signs are similar to land, and the planets are like the plants. The quolity or nature of the land may change based on the strength of the sign lord and the beneficial or maleficial aspects on the sign. Now coming to planets - A planet in exaltation is like a strong plant, and a planet in debilitation is like a weak plant. > How come the land change for different planets? If the above logic supplied by Mihira is not enough, then you can also see to the that fact that all the plants does not grow equially rich in one kind of land. Some land is good for some plants and not that favorable for others - that is why we have the friend/ememy etc concepts and the firy/watery/airy etc classification of signs and planets to determine, which fits in where. Hope this helps. Love and regards, Sreenadh , "renunw" <renunw wrote: Re: Jupiter in 12H Dear Sreeram ji, As usual a fine explanation by you:- "The strength of sign or HL determines the "fertility richness" {Fertility word used in context of agriculture produce} of that house/sign. Planets in a house where the sign lord is debilitated, are supposed to be in a barren land, ............." I was going to question you here regarding 'barren land'....ex: if the sign is Pisces it would be a barren land for Mercury but a fertiled land for Venus. How come the land change for different planets? Can it not be that the debilitated lethargic planet who does not want to improve the land?............Then again.... ".........depending upon the other influences on them i.e. benefic aspect - Nitrogenous fertilizer effect or malefic- Single Super Sulphates or Phosphous of 1-2-3 or 2-5-7 formulation -effect. The situation may change based on their navamsa position should they improve. " ........... you did not leave any loopholes:) Kindly post more of this stuff...to keep the forum 'burning' blessings Renu > > Agreed that debilitated planets> , "sreeram srinivas"> sreeram64@ wrote:> >> >> > Namaste Neelam Gupta Madamji,> >> > The strength of sign or HL determines the "fertility richness"> > {Fertility word used in context of agriculture produce} of that> > house/sign. Planets in a house where the sign lord is debilitated, are> > supposed to be in a barren land, depending upon the other influences> on> > them i.e. benefic aspect - Nitrogenous fertilizer effect or malefic-> > Single Super Sulphates or Phosphous of 1-2-3 or 2-5-7 formulation> > -effect. The situation may change based on their navamsa position> > should they improve.> >> > Agreed that debilitated planets also give results, when in upachaya> > houses. The case you referred of Mercury debilitated in 10H buying> > properties with every Mercury Antara periods, there may be another> > reasons for that behavior, would request you to post the birth data,> to> > my knowledge only a rich man Bill Gates can purchase {actually he only> > purchases software or companies}, could be a Property Dealer doing> this> > ?? May Be.....will analyse once we get details. Enquire whether he is> > able to make money or hold on to those properties ??> >> > Col Gour mention of debilitated planet for Media, Fashion, Model> > industry, I am aware of his statement, for such a deb planet, gives a> > kind of obsession & "besharam" nature {Besharam - mannerless}. Lately> > I am have been again watching daily a person who has 2 deb planets & > his> > general behavior, discussing it with another member of this group for> > daily humor & being a student of behavioral psychology, enjoy it as a> > daily vitamin dose !!> >> > Example {RealCase}: One person got into some medical ailment, required> > immediate medical treatment, if delayed would have been fatal {as per> > doctor version & every body's realization also}, was in helpless> > condition { he was alone at that moment}, it so happened his elder> > brother accidentally happened to drop, noticed the condition, took him> > to a good hospital got him operated, the person recovered. On recovery> > the first few statements were - why did you bring to this hospital for> > their charges are very high !! & started finding fault with his elder> > brother while lying on hospital bed. Case of debilitated planet in> > 2H, Sun also debilitated.> >> > If you get a chance ask Col Gour & Mr. Ganesh, they woul revel you in> > their description of debilitated behaviors. Mr. Ganesh sometimes> > ascribes Modelling akin to prostitution. Perspectives may be> different,> > yet interesting.> >> > Yes agree, there are cases of debilitated planet giving results> {recall> > -Romance of Deb. Planet} article on Sri K.N. Rao website}, where many> > things were discussed leaving out the key 4 points for certain obvious> > reasons, I also practise them, so know it..... There are few> conditions> > for giving results and answer sometimes lies in vargas. I rely on> sages> > words, after all deb planets have to show their "neechata" somewhere,> > surely cannot compete with exalted ones.> >> > In the case we discussed it was Mercury, karaka for intelligence, in> > Rahu/Ketu axis, in 4H of logics - what a distorted/perverted> > intelligent mind the native has........keep an eye to get the details> on> > this.......> >> > Kindly do share such cases, from database for discussion here.> >> > With regards,> >> > Sreeram_Srinivas> >> > , "neelam gupta"> > neelamgupta07@ wrote:> >> > Dear Sreenivas ji,> > I understand that a planet's primary duty is to deliver results as per> > its lordship and placement. A planet strengthens its house by forming> > PAC relationship with it and weakens its house by going to dustanas> > 6/8/12. A debilitated planet will also try to do so but may or may> > not succeed depending upon other influences. I have many cases of> > persons having> > debilitated planets giving excellent results of their concerned> > houses. E.gthere is a person who has gemini lagan having a debilitated> > mercury in 10H. He's bought properties whenever he got mercury antar> > or twice in even pratyantar. There are many more cases like this. We> > know of cases like Einstien's with a debilitated mercury, or> > sportsmen with debilitated mars, or filmstars with debilitated venus.> > (Col Gour says in his book on professions that for filmstars/TV> > persons, venus should be afflicted/debilitated). With a debilitated> > planet, may be a person focuses more in that area of life, after all> > they're all karmic influences on us. It all depends on the influences> > on the debilitated planet. Being weak, a neech planet can be> > overpowered easily by the malefic influences. I neech planet, if> > afflicted may not be able to protect its house or give auspicious> > results regarding the house.> > Regards> > Neelam> >> >> > On 02/02/2008, sreeram srinivas sreeram64@ wrote:> >> > Namaste Neelam Gupta madamji,> >> > HL when debilitated weakens its significations. So in the discussed> > case, 4H is also effected. 5HL in 7H is a small affliction. If the> > native was successful till today is primarily due to 9HL exalted in> > trine again to the lagna. Mercury aspect on 10H and its own house has> > not much> > of significance of it does not have strength to protect its house> being> > debilitated. {if debilitated planet also starts protecting its houses> > {Mercury & Venus}, then astrology definitions would be required to be> > redefined.....that is my personal opinion...}> >> > Second, reason for the native to be successful in his career is due to> > placement of Rahu in 10H.> >> > Interestingly he has SAV 33 in 10H & 4H has 36. *Let some other> members> > make attempt in finding reason of 4H!!!!! **!!! i.e. effect of SAV 34> > points in 4H. ( SAV = Savarshtak Varga bindus).*> >> > It is my prediction that the native would buy residential property & > > shift to his house or make investments in immovable property again.*> >> > With regards,*> >> > Sreeram_Srinivas*> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2008 Report Share Posted February 3, 2008 said religious nature very broadly, he's god fearing, goes to temples and he is very inclined towards spiritual practices and occult. He's done some art of living courses. (9L Sun in 5H, Jupiter in scorpio in 12th aspected by venus in Taurus and Saturn in lagan). dear neelam gupta & members I am sharing my views on the phrase " god fearing " . I feel that it is better we use the phrase " god loving " . because we dont have to fear abt god, we have to love him and crave for his blessings. I hope i am correct. with good wishes, k.gopu ______________________________\ ____ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. http://tools.search./newsearch/category.php?category=shopping Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2008 Report Share Posted February 3, 2008 Dear Gopu ji,Thanks for the good thought and you are absolutely right.Though in a way the usage of term is technically right as many people, including this native, remember God because they fear otherwise.regards neelamOn 03/02/2008, K Gopu <kgopu_24 wrote: said religious nature very broadly, he's god fearing, goes to temples and he is very inclined towards spiritual practices and occult. He's done some art of living courses. (9L Sun in 5H, Jupiter in scorpio in 12th aspected by venus in Taurus and Saturn in lagan). dear neelam gupta & members I am sharing my views on the phrase " god fearing " . I feel that it is better we use the phrase " god loving " . because we dont have to fear abt god, we have to love him and crave for his blessings. I hope i am correct. with good wishes, k.gopu ________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. http://tools.search./newsearch/category.php?category=shopping Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2008 Report Share Posted February 3, 2008 Dear Sreenadh ji, "How come the land change for different planets? If the above logic supplied by Mihira is not enough, then you can also see to the that fact that all the plants does not grow equially rich in one kind of land. Some land is good for some plants and not that favorable for others - that is why we have the friend/ememy etc concepts and the firy/watery/airy etc classification of signs and planets to determine, which fits in where. " Great! I can only but accept whole heartedly your logic So nice..so easy blessings Renu , "Sreenadh" <sreesog wrote:>> Dear Renu ji,> Signs are similar to land, and the planets are like the plants. The> quolity or nature of the land may change based on the strength of the> sign lord and the beneficial or maleficial aspects on the sign. Now> coming to planets - A planet in exaltation is like a strong plant, and a> planet in debilitation is like a weak plant.> > How come the land change for different planets?> If the above logic supplied by Mihira is not enough, then you can> also see to the that fact that all the plants does not grow equially> rich in one kind of land. Some land is good for some plants and not that> favorable for others - that is why we have the friend/ememy etc concepts> and the firy/watery/airy etc classification of signs and planets to> determine, which fits in where. > Hope this helps.> Love and regards,> Sreenadh> > , "renunw" renunw@> wrote:> Re: Jupiter in 12H> > Dear Sreeram ji,> > As usual a fine explanation by you:-> > "The strength of sign or HL determines the "fertility richness"> {Fertility word used in context of agriculture produce} of that> house/sign. Planets in a house where the sign lord is debilitated, are> supposed to be in a barren land, ............."> > I was going to question you here regarding 'barren land'....ex: if the> sign is Pisces it would be a barren land for Mercury but a fertiled land> for Venus. How come the land change for different planets? Can it not> be that the debilitated lethargic planet who does not want to improve> the land?............Then again....> > ".........depending upon the other influences on them i.e. benefic> aspect - Nitrogenous fertilizer effect or malefic- Single Super> Sulphates or Phosphous of 1-2-3 or 2-5-7 formulation -effect. The> situation may change based on their navamsa position should they> improve. "> > .......... you did not leave any loopholes:) > > Kindly post more of this stuff...to keep the forum 'burning'> > blessings> > Renu> >> > Agreed that debilitated planets> > , "sreeram srinivas"> > sreeram64@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > Namaste Neelam Gupta Madamji,> > >> > > The strength of sign or HL determines the "fertility richness"> > > {Fertility word used in context of agriculture produce} of that> > > house/sign. Planets in a house where the sign lord is debilitated,> are> > > supposed to be in a barren land, depending upon the other influences> > on> > > them i.e. benefic aspect - Nitrogenous fertilizer effect or malefic-> > > Single Super Sulphates or Phosphous of 1-2-3 or 2-5-7 formulation> > > -effect. The situation may change based on their navamsa position> > > should they improve.> > >> > > Agreed that debilitated planets also give results, when in upachaya> > > houses. The case you referred of Mercury debilitated in 10H buying> > > properties with every Mercury Antara periods, there may be another> > > reasons for that behavior, would request you to post the birth data,> > to> > > my knowledge only a rich man Bill Gates can purchase {actually he> only> > > purchases software or companies}, could be a Property Dealer doing> > this> > > ?? May Be.....will analyse once we get details. Enquire whether he> is> > > able to make money or hold on to those properties ??> > >> > > Col Gour mention of debilitated planet for Media, Fashion, Model> > > industry, I am aware of his statement, for such a deb planet, gives> a> > > kind of obsession & "besharam" nature {Besharam - mannerless}.> Lately> > > I am have been again watching daily a person who has 2 deb planets & > > his> > > general behavior, discussing it with another member of this group> for> > > daily humor & being a student of behavioral psychology, enjoy it as> a> > > daily vitamin dose !!> > >> > > Example {RealCase}: One person got into some medical ailment,> required> > > immediate medical treatment, if delayed would have been fatal {as> per> > > doctor version & every body's realization also}, was in helpless> > > condition { he was alone at that moment}, it so happened his elder> > > brother accidentally happened to drop, noticed the condition, took> him> > > to a good hospital got him operated, the person recovered. On> recovery> > > the first few statements were - why did you bring to this hospital> for> > > their charges are very high !! & started finding fault with his> elder> > > brother while lying on hospital bed. Case of debilitated planet in> > > 2H, Sun also debilitated.> > >> > > If you get a chance ask Col Gour & Mr. Ganesh, they woul revel you> in> > > their description of debilitated behaviors. Mr. Ganesh sometimes> > > ascribes Modelling akin to prostitution. Perspectives may be> > different,> > > yet interesting.> > >> > > Yes agree, there are cases of debilitated planet giving results> > {recall> > > -Romance of Deb. Planet} article on Sri K.N. Rao website}, where> many> > > things were discussed leaving out the key 4 points for certain> obvious> > > reasons, I also practise them, so know it..... There are few> > conditions> > > for giving results and answer sometimes lies in vargas. I rely on> > sages> > > words, after all deb planets have to show their "neechata"> somewhere,> > > surely cannot compete with exalted ones.> > >> > > In the case we discussed it was Mercury, karaka for intelligence, in> > > Rahu/Ketu axis, in 4H of logics - what a distorted/perverted> > > intelligent mind the native has........keep an eye to get the> details> > on> > > this.......> > >> > > Kindly do share such cases, from database for discussion here.> > >> > > With regards,> > >> > > Sreeram_Srinivas> > >> > > , "neelam gupta"> > > neelamgupta07@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sreenivas ji,> > > I understand that a planet's primary duty is to deliver results as> per> > > its lordship and placement. A planet strengthens its house by> forming> > > PAC relationship with it and weakens its house by going to dustanas> > > 6/8/12. A debilitated planet will also try to do so but may or may> > > not succeed depending upon other influences. I have many cases of> > > persons having> > > debilitated planets giving excellent results of their concerned> > > houses. E.gthere is a person who has gemini lagan having a> debilitated> > > mercury in 10H. He's bought properties whenever he got mercury antar> > > or twice in even pratyantar. There are many more cases like this. We> > > know of cases like Einstien's with a debilitated mercury, or> > > sportsmen with debilitated mars, or filmstars with debilitated> venus.> > > (Col Gour says in his book on professions that for filmstars/TV> > > persons, venus should be afflicted/debilitated). With a debilitated> > > planet, may be a person focuses more in that area of life, after all> > > they're all karmic influences on us. It all depends on the> influences> > > on the debilitated planet. Being weak, a neech planet can be> > > overpowered easily by the malefic influences. I neech planet, if> > > afflicted may not be able to protect its house or give auspicious> > > results regarding the house.> > > Regards> > > Neelam> > >> > >> > > On 02/02/2008, sreeram srinivas sreeram64@ wrote:> > >> > > Namaste Neelam Gupta madamji,> > >> > > HL when debilitated weakens its significations. So in the discussed> > > case, 4H is also effected. 5HL in 7H is a small affliction. If the> > > native was successful till today is primarily due to 9HL exalted in> > > trine again to the lagna. Mercury aspect on 10H and its own house> has> > > not much> > > of significance of it does not have strength to protect its house> > being> > > debilitated. {if debilitated planet also starts protecting its> houses> > > {Mercury & Venus}, then astrology definitions would be required to> be> > > redefined.....that is my personal opinion...}> > >> > > Second, reason for the native to be successful in his career is due> to> > > placement of Rahu in 10H.> > >> > > Interestingly he has SAV 33 in 10H & 4H has 36. *Let some other> > members> > > make attempt in finding reason of 4H!!!!! **!!! i.e. effect of SAV> 34> > > points in 4H. ( SAV = Savarshtak Varga bindus).*> > >> > > It is my prediction that the native would buy residential property & > > > shift to his house or make investments in immovable property again.*> > >> > > With regards,*> > >> > > Sreeram_Srinivas*> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2008 Report Share Posted February 4, 2008 Dear Neelam-ji, I agree with your observation about 'God Loving' and God Fearing'. The difference is that ... 'God Fearing' type will start worshipping even 'Devil' if he appears. Is not 'Devil' more fearsome ? Regards Chakraborty neelam gupta [neelamgupta07]Sunday, February 03, 2008 8:43 PM Subject: Re: Re: Jupiter in 12H Dear Gopu ji,Thanks for the good thought and you are absolutely right.Though in a way the usage of term is technically right as many people, including this native, remember God because they fear otherwise.regardsneelam On 03/02/2008, K Gopu <kgopu_24 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: said religious nature very broadly, he's god fearing,goes to temples and he is very inclined towardsspiritual practices and occult. He's done some art ofliving courses. (9L Sun in 5H, Jupiter in scorpio in12th aspected by venus in Taurus and Saturn in lagan).dear neelam gupta & membersI am sharing my views on the phrase "god fearing". Ifeel that it is better we use the phrase "god loving".because we dont have to fear abt god, we have to lovehim and crave for his blessings. I hope i am correct. with good wishes,k.gopu________Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. http://tools.search./newsearch/category.php?category=shopping This Message was sent from Indian Oil Messaging Gateway. The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately and destroy all copies of this message and any attachments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2008 Report Share Posted February 4, 2008 Dear sri Chakrabortyji, I am of opinion that the term "God Fearing" is commonly used to denote persons who is conscious of God as opposed toatheist where as God Loving is an idividual with full BHAKTHI"Chakraborty, PL" <CHAKRABORTYP2 wrote: Dear Neelam-ji, I agree with your observation about 'God Loving' and God Fearing'. The difference is that ... 'God Fearing' type will start worshipping even 'Devil' if he appears. Is not 'Devil' more fearsome ? Regards Chakraborty neelam gupta [neelamgupta07 ]Sunday, February 03, 2008 8:43 PM Subject: Re: Re: Jupiter in 12H Dear Gopu ji,Thanks for the good thought and you are absolutely right.Though in a way the usage of term is technically right as many people, including this native, remember God because they fear otherwise.regardsneelam On 03/02/2008, K Gopu <kgopu_24 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: said religious nature very broadly, he's god fearing,goes to temples and he is very inclined towardsspiritual practices and occult. He's done some art ofliving courses. (9L Sun in 5H, Jupiter in scorpio in12th aspected by venus in Taurus and Saturn in lagan).dear neelam gupta & membersI am sharing my views on the phrase "god fearing". Ifeel that it is better we use the phrase "god loving".because we dont have to fear abt god, we have to lovehim and crave for his blessings. I hope i am correct. with good wishes,k.gopu________Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. http://tools.search./newsearch/category.php?category=shopping This Message was sent from Indian Oil Messaging Gateway. The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately and destroy all copies of this message and any attachments. Chat on a cool, new interface. No download required. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2008 Report Share Posted February 5, 2008 Dear Sivaraman-ji, 'Depends on how you interpret 'fear'. I associate this word with people who are really afraid of God and carry out their duties lest God should punish them. For them, Paap / Punyya etc. is very important. regards chakraborty Sivaraman S [swathiram37]Tuesday, February 05, 2008 12:11 PM Subject: RE: Re: Jupiter in 12H Dear sri Chakrabortyji, I am of opinion that the term "God Fearing" is commonly used to denote persons who is conscious of God as opposed toatheist where as God Loving is an idividual with full BHAKTHI"Chakraborty, PL" <CHAKRABORTYP2 (AT) iocl (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear Neelam-ji, I agree with your observation about 'God Loving' and God Fearing'. The difference is that ... 'God Fearing' type will start worshipping even 'Devil' if he appears. Is not 'Devil' more fearsome ? Regards Chakraborty neelam gupta [neelamgupta07 ]Sunday, February 03, 2008 8:43 PM Subject: Re: Re: Jupiter in 12H Dear Gopu ji,Thanks for the good thought and you are absolutely right.Though in a way the usage of term is technically right as many people, including this native, remember God because they fear otherwise.regardsneelam On 03/02/2008, K Gopu <kgopu_24 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: said religious nature very broadly, he's god fearing,goes to temples and he is very inclined towardsspiritual practices and occult. He's done some art ofliving courses. (9L Sun in 5H, Jupiter in scorpio in12th aspected by venus in Taurus and Saturn in lagan).dear neelam gupta & membersI am sharing my views on the phrase "god fearing". Ifeel that it is better we use the phrase "god loving".because we dont have to fear abt god, we have to lovehim and crave for his blessings. I hope i am correct. with good wishes,k.gopu________Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. http://tools.search./newsearch/category.php?category=shopping This Message was sent from Indian Oil Messaging Gateway. The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately and destroy all copies of this message and any attachments. Chat on a cool, new interface. No download required. This Message was sent from Indian Oil Messaging Gateway. The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately and destroy all copies of this message and any attachments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2008 Report Share Posted February 5, 2008 Dear Chakraborty ji,Very rightly, simply put.this is what 99 per cent of the population is.regardsneelamOn 05/02/2008, Chakraborty, PL <CHAKRABORTYP2 wrote: Dear Sivaraman-ji, 'Depends on how you interpret 'fear'. I associate this word with people who are really afraid of God and carry out their duties lest God should punish them. For them, Paap / Punyya etc. is very important. regards chakraborty Sivaraman S [swathiram37]Tuesday, February 05, 2008 12:11 PM Subject: RE: Re: Jupiter in 12H Dear sri Chakrabortyji, I am of opinion that the term " God Fearing " is commonly used to denote persons who is conscious of God as opposed toatheist where as God Loving is an idividual with full BHAKTHI " Chakraborty, PL " <CHAKRABORTYP2 wrote: Dear Neelam-ji, I agree with your observation about 'God Loving' and God Fearing'. The difference is that ... 'God Fearing' type will start worshipping even 'Devil' if he appears. Is not 'Devil' more fearsome ? Regards Chakraborty neelam gupta [neelamgupta07]Sunday, February 03, 2008 8:43 PM Subject: Re: Re: Jupiter in 12H Dear Gopu ji,Thanks for the good thought and you are absolutely right.Though in a way the usage of term is technically right as many people, including this native, remember God because they fear otherwise.regardsneelam On 03/02/2008, K Gopu <kgopu_24 wrote: said religious nature very broadly, he's god fearing,goes to temples and he is very inclined towardsspiritual practices and occult. He's done some art ofliving courses. (9L Sun in 5H, Jupiter in scorpio in12th aspected by venus in Taurus and Saturn in lagan).dear neelam gupta & membersI am sharing my views on the phrase " god fearing " . Ifeel that it is better we use the phrase " god loving " .because we dont have to fear abt god, we have to lovehim and crave for his blessings. I hope i am correct. with good wishes,k.gopu________Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. http://tools.search./newsearch/category.php?category=shopping This Message was sent from Indian Oil Messaging Gateway. The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately and destroy all copies of this message and any attachments. Chat on a cool, new interface. No download required. This Message was sent from Indian Oil Messaging Gateway. The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately and destroy all copies of this message and any attachments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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