Guest guest Posted February 2, 2008 Report Share Posted February 2, 2008 Dear Krishna ji, This is also a case of Jupiter in 12H. But Jupiter dasa has no connection to the time of death. Saturn in 7H is debilitated + retrograde. So I suppose this afflicts 7H. Also 7HL Mars is aspected by R Saturn. Venus is also afflicted by Rahu-Ketu axis. The running dasa was Venus/Rahu/Venus. Hmm..I am stuck Let us have your analysis. blessings Renu In , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote: > > Hi Pavitha, > > Please do indicate the place of birth. Also, it would be helpful if you could give the date when she lost her husband. > > Regards, > Krishna > > pavitha dinesh <greatness2nil wrote: > hello renuji,my sisters birthdata is 26/9/1969,time of birth is 9,26a,m,can this help others also > > renunw <renunw wrote: Dear Pavitha ji, > > Sorry to hear about your sister's loss. Would you mind posting your > sister's birth data to the forum. Thanks... > > blessings > > Renu > > -- In , pavitha dinesh > <greatness2nil@> wrote: > > > > hello to all,i want to know the saturn in 7t house from lagna > causes the death of spouse,becoz my sister lost her husband in her > natal chart saturn is in 7th house,please answer thankyou everybody > > > > > > > > Explore your hobbies and interests. Click here to begin. > > Now you can chat without downloading messenger. Click here to know how. > > > > > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2008 Report Share Posted February 2, 2008 Dear Renu ji, You are right that the 7th house is clearly afflicted by Saturn. However, Saturn dasha is not active during her married life. Hence, Saturn uses its connections to get the job done. Saturn is neither conjunct any planet nor aspecting any. The other connections are - Saturn is disposited by Mars. Saturn disposits Rahu in Rasi and disposits Venus in constellation. I guess that is why the death of the spouse happened during Venus/Rahu/Venus. Of course, it is easy to spot such things in a post-mortem analysis. And, since this is one of the many possible ways to arrive at the period of death, this particular logic may not work in all charts. Some other points to note from a different angle: - Malefic Saturn aspects the UL. - UL lord Mercury is retrograde and combust, indicating possibility of widowhood. I beleive that the exaltation does not really help when a planet is combust. - Malefic Saturn occupies 8th from the UL lord, hence Saturn should act as a Maraka for the UL lord Looks like Saturn is key in this chart as far as longevity of the relationship is concerned. Jupiter being the 6th lord conjunct UL lord might have played a role in causing some disease to the spouse. However, in my opinion, it is too broad a generalization to say Saturn in the 7th causes death of the spouse or Jupiter in the 12th cuases separation. We should look for additional riders. This can only be done by studying more and more charts. Pavitha, could you shed more light on the causes for the death of her BIL and if possible share his birth details as well? Regards, Krishnarenunw <renunw wrote: Dear Krishna ji,This is also a case of Jupiter in 12H. But Jupiter dasa has no connection to the time of death.Saturn in 7H is debilitated + retrograde. So I suppose this afflicts 7H. Also 7HL Mars is aspected by R Saturn. Venus is also afflicted by Rahu-Ketu axis. The running dasa was Venus/Rahu/Venus. Hmm..I am stuck Let us have your analysis.blessingsRenuIn , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote:>> Hi Pavitha,> > Please do indicate the place of birth. Also, it would be helpful if you could give the date when she lost her husband.> > Regards,> Krishna> > pavitha dinesh <greatness2nil wrote:> hello renuji,my sisters birthdata is 26/9/1969,time of birth is 9,26a,m,can this help others also> > renunw <renunw wrote: Dear Pavitha ji,> > Sorry to hear about your sister's loss. Would you mind posting your > sister's birth data to the forum. Thanks...> > blessings> > Renu> > -- In , pavitha dinesh > <greatness2nil@> wrote:> >> > hello to all,i want to know the saturn in 7t house from lagna > causes the death of spouse,becoz my sister lost her husband in her > natal chart saturn is in 7th house,please answer thankyou everybody> > > > > > > > Explore your hobbies and interests. Click here to begin.> >> > > > > > > Now you can chat without downloading messenger. Click here to know how. > > > > > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2008 Report Share Posted February 2, 2008 Dear All, Let us go through some of the charts presented in the group recently – Ayanamsa: True Ayanamsa of CHari; Year length=360 days Savana year; Dasa = Vimsottari 1) 29 Apr 1959 PM; New Delhi; India Time of death not given; Dasa-Antara intimated = Ju/Ra House : Planets : Navamsa Lagna (Sagittarius) :As-(Sa) :Me-Me 2H : Mo : - 3H : Gk :- 4H : Ke-Me :Ma-Gk 5H : Su : Mo-As 6H : Ve : - 7H : Ma : Ra 8H : - : (Sa) 9H : - : (Ju)-Ve-Su 10H : Ra : - 11H : - :- 12H : (Ju) :- Event : Divorce in 2005; No job, no money, no family life - during 2005-2008 Points to note – Retrograde Ju in 12th from natal lagna – indicating divorce Mars in 7th from lagna – indicating divorceAgni-Maruta yoga in 7th with Mars in 7th aspected by Saturn from lagna –indicting divorce Result: Divorce in Ju/Ma Vimsottari dasa Ra in 10H and only malefics are present in all the Kendras of Rahu in 10th; 10th lord debilitated but aspects 10th ; Indicating that Rahu dasa will give good results but, in the dasa of enemy planets Rahu antara would be catastrophicAs per classics, for Men Ju-Ra dasa sandhi would be catastrophic providing marriage related problems and financial problems, since the junction antaras are of malefics. The result fructified in this chart. Jupiter dasa is running and the antra is of Rahu in 10th ; both are enimical to each other. Result: Loss of money, income, job less ness, family collapse. 2) 31 Jan 1948 PM; Guntur; India; Event: Wife died in Accident on 6 May 1996 House : Planets : Navamsa Lagna (Gemini) :As :- 2H : (Sa) : (Ma) 3H : (Ma) :- 4H : Mo :Mo 5H : Ke : - 6H : Ju : Ra-Me 7H : - : - 8H : Su-Gk : - 9H : Ve-Me : (Sa) 10H : - : Ju 11H : Ra : Ve 12H : - : Su-Ke-As-Gk Points to note – Dasa-Antara at the time of event : Sa/Su/MaThe malefics Sun and Gk are present in 8th from Lagna – indicating loss of wifeThe above result is supposed to fructify at the Navamsa lord of the 8th lord. 8H lord is Saturn and the navamsa lord of Saturn is also SaturnMars is 6th lord (accident) and is placed in 7th from the significator of wife Venus Result: The event occurred in the dasa of depositor of 8th lord; In the Antara of Sun the malefic in 8th placed with Gk; and in the Paryantara of Mars the 6th lord placed in 7th from Venus. 3) 26 Sep 1969 AM; Bangalore; India; Event: Death of husband on 2nd May 2007 House : Planets : Navamsa Lagna (Gemini) :As-Gk :Mo-Gk 2H : - : Ke 3H : Ma :- 4H : - :- 5H : Ra : - 6H : Mo : Su 7H : Sa : - 8H :- : (Me)-Ra-As 9H : - : Ju-Ve-Ma 10H : - : - 11H : Ve-Ke : (Sa) 12H : (Me)-Ju-Su : - Points to note – The Dasa-Antara running at the time of event was Ve/Ra/MeVenus is 8H lord both from Lagna and from Moon and is the depositor of GkRahu is in 5th in the sign of Saturn and is supposed to give the results of Saturn; The retrograde Saturn in turn is debilitated in 7th house – indicating lose of husband; Thus naturally Rahu is not auspicious here regarding married life.Considering Gk as the malefic in 8th from Moon, any malefic effect (here Gk pointing to abnormal death) should take effect in the Dasa or Antara of the depositor of 8th lord's navamsa – which happen to be Mercury. 6th lord from Moon is placed in 7th – another indicator of loss of husband; and here the result could fructify through Sun the 6th lord in 7th or through retrograde Mercury placed along with this malefic.Also note that in 8th (house of death) from Natal lagna (which happen to be a sign of Venus), the navamsa of Lagna, Mercury and Rahu are placed together. Rahu providing the effects of Saturn, and Mercury that of Sun, and the As navamsa that of Venus and being 8th house is it naturally explains the death of husband happened in Ve/Ra/Me 4) 26 Jan 1953 @ 3.08 AM, Colombo, Srilanka Event: Death of husband in Ju/Ra Whether it is Ju/Ra or Ju/Ma (as per Ayanamsa change) – difficult locate or predict the event. The combination must be more related to and reflected by the chart of the husband itself. Not much of a clear indication here regarding the event. The only point that could be easily noticed is that – 2nd lord went to 6th house indicating loss of family life with husband. Mars in 4H with Venus could be another indicator. Note the navamsa of Mars in 7th from lagna along with Moon in 7th as well. So the event must have happened in Ju/Ma rather than Ju/Ra. Anyway the event is not specially visible from this chart and can't be predicted prior hand due to lack of clear indicators. Regards, Sreenadh , "renunw" <renunw wrote:>> Dear Krishna ji,> > This is also a case of Jupiter in 12H. But Jupiter dasa has no > connection to the time of death.> > Saturn in 7H is debilitated + retrograde. So I suppose this afflicts > 7H. Also 7HL Mars is aspected by R Saturn. Venus is also afflicted > by Rahu-Ketu axis. > > The running dasa was Venus/Rahu/Venus. Hmm..I am stuck > > Let us have your analysis.> > blessings> > Renu> > > > In , Krishnamurthy > Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote:> >> > Hi Pavitha,> > > > Please do indicate the place of birth. Also, it would be helpful > if you could give the date when she lost her husband.> > > > Regards,> > Krishna> > > > pavitha dinesh greatness2nil@ wrote:> > hello renuji,my sisters birthdata is 26/9/1969,time of > birth is 9,26a,m,can this help others also> > > > renunw renunw@ wrote: Dear Pavitha ji,> > > > Sorry to hear about your sister's loss. Would you mind posting > your > > sister's birth data to the forum. Thanks...> > > > blessings> > > > Renu> > > > -- In , pavitha dinesh > > <greatness2nil@> wrote:> > >> > > hello to all,i want to know the saturn in 7t house from lagna > > causes the death of spouse,becoz my sister lost her husband in her > > natal chart saturn is in 7th house,please answer thankyou everybody> > > > > > > > > > > > Explore your hobbies and interests. Click here to begin.> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now you can chat without downloading messenger. Click here to > know how. > > > > > > > > > > > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2008 Report Share Posted February 2, 2008 Dear Renu ji, In that chart Saturn is important - and DOES affected the life of spouse because Saturn is the depositor of Rahu and the antara of Rahu was running. Venus is 8H lord both from Lagna and from Moon and is the depositor of Gk. Love and regards, Sreenadh , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote:>> Dear Renu ji,> > You are right that the 7th house is clearly afflicted by Saturn. > > However, Saturn dasha is not active during her married life. Hence, Saturn uses its connections to get the job done. Saturn is neither conjunct any planet nor aspecting any. The other connections are - Saturn is disposited by Mars. Saturn disposits Rahu in Rasi and disposits Venus in constellation. I guess that is why the death of the spouse happened during Venus/Rahu/Venus.> > Of course, it is easy to spot such things in a post-mortem analysis. And, since this is one of the many possible ways to arrive at the period of death, this particular logic may not work in all charts.> > Some other points to note from a different angle:> > - Malefic Saturn aspects the UL.> - UL lord Mercury is retrograde and combust, indicating possibility of widowhood. I beleive that the exaltation does not really help when a planet is combust.> - Malefic Saturn occupies 8th from the UL lord, hence Saturn should act as a Maraka for the UL lord> > Looks like Saturn is key in this chart as far as longevity of the relationship is concerned. Jupiter being the 6th lord conjunct UL lord might have played a role in causing some disease to the spouse.> > However, in my opinion, it is too broad a generalization to say Saturn in the 7th causes death of the spouse or Jupiter in the 12th cuases separation. We should look for additional riders. This can only be done by studying more and more charts.> > Pavitha, could you shed more light on the causes for the death of her BIL and if possible share his birth details as well?> > Regards,> Krishna> > renunw renunw wrote:> Dear Krishna ji,> > This is also a case of Jupiter in 12H. But Jupiter dasa has no > connection to the time of death.> > Saturn in 7H is debilitated + retrograde. So I suppose this afflicts > 7H. Also 7HL Mars is aspected by R Saturn. Venus is also afflicted > by Rahu-Ketu axis. > > The running dasa was Venus/Rahu/Venus. Hmm..I am stuck > > Let us have your analysis.> > blessings> > Renu> > In , Krishnamurthy > Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote:> >> > Hi Pavitha,> > > > Please do indicate the place of birth. Also, it would be helpful > if you could give the date when she lost her husband.> > > > Regards,> > Krishna> > > > pavitha dinesh greatness2nil@ wrote:> > hello renuji,my sisters birthdata is 26/9/1969,time of > birth is 9,26a,m,can this help others also> > > > renunw renunw@ wrote: Dear Pavitha ji,> > > > Sorry to hear about your sister's loss. Would you mind posting > your > > sister's birth data to the forum. Thanks...> > > > blessings> > > > Renu> > > > -- In , pavitha dinesh > > <greatness2nil@> wrote:> > >> > > hello to all,i want to know the saturn in 7t house from lagna > > causes the death of spouse,becoz my sister lost her husband in her > > natal chart saturn is in 7th house,please answer thankyou everybody> > > > > > > > > > > > Explore your hobbies and interests. Click here to begin.> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now you can chat without downloading messenger. Click here to > know how. > > > > > > > > > > > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.> >> > > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2008 Report Share Posted February 2, 2008 namaskar krishnamurthyji,my bil dob.pob is 19/8/1964,4.38p.m.mysore if this can help to sort out some imp aspects,i am thankfulKrishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote: Dear Renu ji, You are right that the 7th house is clearly afflicted by Saturn. However, Saturn dasha is not active during her married life. Hence, Saturn uses its connections to get the job done. Saturn is neither conjunct any planet nor aspecting any. The other connections are - Saturn is disposited by Mars. Saturn disposits Rahu in Rasi and disposits Venus in constellation. I guess that is why the death of the spouse happened during Venus/Rahu/Venus. Of course, it is easy to spot such things in a post-mortem analysis. And, since this is one of the many possible ways to arrive at the period of death, this particular logic may not work in all charts. Some other points to note from a different angle: - Malefic Saturn aspects the UL. - UL lord Mercury is retrograde and combust, indicating possibility of widowhood. I beleive that the exaltation does not really help when a planet is combust. - Malefic Saturn occupies 8th from the UL lord, hence Saturn should act as a Maraka for the UL lord Looks like Saturn is key in this chart as far as longevity of the relationship is concerned. Jupiter being the 6th lord conjunct UL lord might have played a role in causing some disease to the spouse. However, in my opinion, it is too broad a generalization to say Saturn in the 7th causes death of the spouse or Jupiter in the 12th cuases separation. We should look for additional riders. This can only be done by studying more and more charts. Pavitha, could you shed more light on the causes for the death of her BIL and if possible share his birth details as well? Regards, Krishnarenunw <renunw (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Dear Krishna ji,This is also a case of Jupiter in 12H. But Jupiter dasa has no connection to the time of death.Saturn in 7H is debilitated + retrograde. So I suppose this afflicts 7H. Also 7HL Mars is aspected by R Saturn. Venus is also afflicted by Rahu-Ketu axis. The running dasa was Venus/Rahu/Venus. Hmm..I am stuck Let us have your analysis.blessingsRenuIn , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote:>> Hi Pavitha,> > Please do indicate the place of birth. Also, it would be helpful if you could give the date when she lost her husband.> > Regards,> Krishna> > pavitha dinesh <greatness2nil wrote:> hello renuji,my sisters birthdata is 26/9/1969,time of birth is 9,26a,m,can this help others also> > renunw <renunw wrote: Dear Pavitha ji,> > Sorry to hear about your sister's loss. Would you mind posting your > sister's birth data to the forum. Thanks...> > blessings> > Renu> > -- In , pavitha dinesh > <greatness2nil@> wrote:> >> > hello to all,i want to know the saturn in 7t house from lagna > causes the death of spouse,becoz my sister lost her husband in her > natal chart saturn is in 7th house,please answer thankyou everybody> > > > > > > > Explore your hobbies and interests. Click here to begin.> >> > > > > > > Now you can chat without downloading messenger. Click here to know how. > > > > > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. 5, 50, 500, 5000 - Store N number of mails in your inbox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2008 Report Share Posted February 2, 2008 Hare rama krishna . dear pavitra ji . Your sisters chart 7th house is afflicted ,Karaka venus is afflicted .also from lagna ,Moon and venus 7th Houe afflicted . Venus also dispositor of gulika and 8th Lord from Lagna and moon . so venus is spoiled like any thing to deliver its affects . I think u dont giv the date of event . and her venus -rahu period is going on . rahu can giv the effect of sat also gulik has given its amsa to aqua to also rahu there . From venus 64th navamsa Lord is venus itself .From moon is sat and hence also rahu .Also 22nd drekkana Lord is sat from lagna . also u can see maraka periods from karaka can be merc /sat and hence rahu periods . Hence vanus dasa its self is capable to deliver the results . U did not mention any thing abt her kids ,is she was out of country .and nature of death of ur brother in law and if u know pls giv us his birth data also . Here also tho jup in 12th ,we can find that its sat who can spoil the results as he is debilated and vakra .hence given the duty to rahu . regrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah . , "Sreenadh" <sreesog wrote:>> Dear Renu ji,> In that chart Saturn is important - and DOES affected the life of> spouse because Saturn is the depositor of Rahu and the antara of Rahu> was running. Venus is 8H lord both from Lagna and from Moon and is the> depositor of Gk.> Love and regards,> Sreenadh> > , Krishnamurthy> Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote:> >> > Dear Renu ji,> >> > You are right that the 7th house is clearly afflicted by Saturn.> >> > However, Saturn dasha is not active during her married life. Hence,> Saturn uses its connections to get the job done. Saturn is neither> conjunct any planet nor aspecting any. The other connections are -> Saturn is disposited by Mars. Saturn disposits Rahu in Rasi and> disposits Venus in constellation. I guess that is why the death of the> spouse happened during Venus/Rahu/Venus.> >> > Of course, it is easy to spot such things in a post-mortem analysis.> And, since this is one of the many possible ways to arrive at the period> of death, this particular logic may not work in all charts.> >> > Some other points to note from a different angle:> >> > - Malefic Saturn aspects the UL.> > - UL lord Mercury is retrograde and combust, indicating possibility of> widowhood. I beleive that the exaltation does not really help when a> planet is combust.> > - Malefic Saturn occupies 8th from the UL lord, hence Saturn should> act as a Maraka for the UL lord> >> > Looks like Saturn is key in this chart as far as longevity of the> relationship is concerned. Jupiter being the 6th lord conjunct UL lord> might have played a role in causing some disease to the spouse.> >> > However, in my opinion, it is too broad a generalization to say Saturn> in the 7th causes death of the spouse or Jupiter in the 12th cuases> separation. We should look for additional riders. This can only be done> by studying more and more charts.> >> > Pavitha, could you shed more light on the causes for the death of her> BIL and if possible share his birth details as well?> >> > Regards,> > Krishna> >> > renunw renunw@ wrote:> > Dear Krishna ji,> >> > This is also a case of Jupiter in 12H. But Jupiter dasa has no> > connection to the time of death.> >> > Saturn in 7H is debilitated + retrograde. So I suppose this afflicts> > 7H. Also 7HL Mars is aspected by R Saturn. Venus is also afflicted> > by Rahu-Ketu axis.> >> > The running dasa was Venus/Rahu/Venus. Hmm..I am stuck > >> > Let us have your analysis.> >> > blessings> >> > Renu> >> > In , Krishnamurthy> > Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote:> > >> > > Hi Pavitha,> > >> > > Please do indicate the place of birth. Also, it would be helpful> > if you could give the date when she lost her husband.> > >> > > Regards,> > > Krishna> > >> > > pavitha dinesh greatness2nil@ wrote:> > > hello renuji,my sisters birthdata is 26/9/1969,time of> > birth is 9,26a,m,can this help others also> > >> > > renunw renunw@ wrote: Dear Pavitha ji,> > >> > > Sorry to hear about your sister's loss. Would you mind posting> > your> > > sister's birth data to the forum. Thanks...> > >> > > blessings> > >> > > Renu> > >> > > -- In , pavitha dinesh> > > <greatness2nil@> wrote:> > > >> > > > hello to all,i want to know the saturn in 7t house from lagna> > > causes the death of spouse,becoz my sister lost her husband in her> > > natal chart saturn is in 7th house,please answer thankyou everybody> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > Explore your hobbies and interests. Click here to begin.> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > Now you can chat without downloading messenger. Click here to> > know how.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. > Try it now.> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2008 Report Share Posted February 2, 2008 namaskar sunilji,as you have asked my bil date of birth is 19/8/1964,4.38p.m,mysore & time of death is 2/5/07,11.05p.m,my sister has one son his birth date is 28/01/1995,6.15a.m.mysore thankyousunil nair <astro_tellerkerala wrote: Hare rama krishna . dear pavitra ji . Your sisters chart 7th house is afflicted ,Karaka venus is afflicted .also from lagna ,Moon and venus 7th Houe afflicted . Venus also dispositor of gulika and 8th Lord from Lagna and moon . so venus is spoiled like any thing to deliver its affects . I think u dont giv the date of event . and her venus -rahu period is going on . rahu can giv the effect of sat also gulik has given its amsa to aqua to also rahu there . From venus 64th navamsa Lord is venus itself .From moon is sat and hence also rahu .Also 22nd drekkana Lord is sat from lagna . also u can see maraka periods from karaka can be merc /sat and hence rahu periods . Hence vanus dasa its self is capable to deliver the results . U did not mention any thing abt her kids ,is she was out of country .and nature of death of ur brother in law and if u know pls giv us his birth data also . Here also tho jup in 12th ,we can find that its sat who can spoil the results as he is debilated and vakra .hence given the duty to rahu . regrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2008 Report Share Posted February 2, 2008 Dear Krishna ji & Sreenadh ji, Thanks..every tiny bit of information provided by you two..is a stepping stone to me. blessings Renu , " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote: > > Dear Renu ji, > In that chart Saturn is important - and DOES affected the life of > spouse because Saturn is the depositor of Rahu and the antara of Rahu > was running. Venus is 8H lord both from Lagna and from Moon and is the > depositor of Gk. > Love and regards, > Sreenadh > > , Krishnamurthy > Seetharama <krishna_1998@> wrote: > > > > Dear Renu ji, > > > > You are right that the 7th house is clearly afflicted by Saturn. > > > > However, Saturn dasha is not active during her married life. Hence, > Saturn uses its connections to get the job done. Saturn is neither > conjunct any planet nor aspecting any. The other connections are - > Saturn is disposited by Mars. Saturn disposits Rahu in Rasi and > disposits Venus in constellation. I guess that is why the death of the > spouse happened during Venus/Rahu/Venus. > > > > Of course, it is easy to spot such things in a post-mortem analysis. > And, since this is one of the many possible ways to arrive at the period > of death, this particular logic may not work in all charts. > > > > Some other points to note from a different angle: > > > > - Malefic Saturn aspects the UL. > > - UL lord Mercury is retrograde and combust, indicating possibility of > widowhood. I beleive that the exaltation does not really help when a > planet is combust. > > - Malefic Saturn occupies 8th from the UL lord, hence Saturn should > act as a Maraka for the UL lord > > > > Looks like Saturn is key in this chart as far as longevity of the > relationship is concerned. Jupiter being the 6th lord conjunct UL lord > might have played a role in causing some disease to the spouse. > > > > However, in my opinion, it is too broad a generalization to say Saturn > in the 7th causes death of the spouse or Jupiter in the 12th cuases > separation. We should look for additional riders. This can only be done > by studying more and more charts. > > > > Pavitha, could you shed more light on the causes for the death of her > BIL and if possible share his birth details as well? > > > > Regards, > > Krishna > > > > renunw renunw@ wrote: > > Dear Krishna ji, > > > > This is also a case of Jupiter in 12H. But Jupiter dasa has no > > connection to the time of death. > > > > Saturn in 7H is debilitated + retrograde. So I suppose this afflicts > > 7H. Also 7HL Mars is aspected by R Saturn. Venus is also afflicted > > by Rahu-Ketu axis. > > > > The running dasa was Venus/Rahu/Venus. Hmm..I am stuck > > > > Let us have your analysis. > > > > blessings > > > > Renu > > > > In , Krishnamurthy > > Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote: > > > > > > Hi Pavitha, > > > > > > Please do indicate the place of birth. Also, it would be helpful > > if you could give the date when she lost her husband. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Krishna > > > > > > pavitha dinesh greatness2nil@ wrote: > > > hello renuji,my sisters birthdata is 26/9/1969,time of > > birth is 9,26a,m,can this help others also > > > > > > renunw renunw@ wrote: Dear Pavitha ji, > > > > > > Sorry to hear about your sister's loss. Would you mind posting > > your > > > sister's birth data to the forum. Thanks... > > > > > > blessings > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > -- In , pavitha dinesh > > > <greatness2nil@> wrote: > > > > > > > > hello to all,i want to know the saturn in 7t house from lagna > > > causes the death of spouse,becoz my sister lost her husband in her > > > natal chart saturn is in 7th house,please answer thankyou everybody > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Explore your hobbies and interests. Click here to begin. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now you can chat without downloading messenger. Click here to > > know how. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. > Try it now. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2008 Report Share Posted February 2, 2008 Dear Pavitha, Did your BIL pass away due to heart related problem? What I see is: - 12th lord Jupiter is in the nakshatra of Sun - Sun is 8th lord and is in 8th - 6th lord Mercury is with Sun - 6L and 8L in the same house is very bad for any house in terms of health - Retrograde Saturn aspects Sun - Sun is in the natural 5th house (4th and 5th both are considered for heart) - 4th and 5th lords of the chart are in Ra/Ke axis The period of death is Sat-Mer-Sat is in line with the above observation of Saturn and Mercury strongly afflicting the Sun / Leo But, I see Sun to be sufficiently strong being in the own house in Rasi and exalted in Navamsha. Did the affliction get better of this strength? If one uses the lagna of the current horoscope, the problem area is the 8th house. He might have had 8th house related health problems. Please do confirm. Regards, Krishna pavitha dinesh <greatness2nil wrote: namaskar krishnamurthyji,my bil dob.pob is 19/8/1964,4.38p.m.mysore if this can help to sort out some imp aspects,i am thankfulKrishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 > wrote: Dear Renu ji, You are right that the 7th house is clearly afflicted by Saturn. However, Saturn dasha is not active during her married life. Hence, Saturn uses its connections to get the job done. Saturn is neither conjunct any planet nor aspecting any. The other connections are - Saturn is disposited by Mars. Saturn disposits Rahu in Rasi and disposits Venus in constellation. I guess that is why the death of the spouse happened during Venus/Rahu/Venus. Of course, it is easy to spot such things in a post-mortem analysis. And, since this is one of the many possible ways to arrive at the period of death, this particular logic may not work in all charts. Some other points to note from a different angle: - Malefic Saturn aspects the UL. - UL lord Mercury is retrograde and combust, indicating possibility of widowhood. I beleive that the exaltation does not really help when a planet is combust. - Malefic Saturn occupies 8th from the UL lord, hence Saturn should act as a Maraka for the UL lord Looks like Saturn is key in this chart as far as longevity of the relationship is concerned. Jupiter being the 6th lord conjunct UL lord might have played a role in causing some disease to the spouse. However, in my opinion, it is too broad a generalization to say Saturn in the 7th causes death of the spouse or Jupiter in the 12th cuases separation. We should look for additional riders. This can only be done by studying more and more charts. Pavitha, could you shed more light on the causes for the death of her BIL and if possible share his birth details as well? Regards, Krishnarenunw <renunw (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Dear Krishna ji,This is also a case of Jupiter in 12H. But Jupiter dasa has no connection to the time of death.Saturn in 7H is debilitated + retrograde. So I suppose this afflicts 7H. Also 7HL Mars is aspected by R Saturn. Venus is also afflicted by Rahu-Ketu axis. The running dasa was Venus/Rahu/Venus. Hmm..I am stuck Let us have your analysis.blessingsRenuIn , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote:>> Hi Pavitha,> > Please do indicate the place of birth. Also, it would be helpful if you could give the date when she lost her husband.> > Regards,> Krishna> > pavitha dinesh <greatness2nil wrote:> hello renuji,my sisters birthdata is 26/9/1969,time of birth is 9,26a,m,can this help others also> > renunw <renunw wrote: Dear Pavitha ji,> > Sorry to hear about your sister's loss. Would you mind posting your > sister's birth data to the forum. Thanks...> > blessings> > Renu> > -- In , pavitha dinesh > <greatness2nil@> wrote:> >> > hello to all,i want to know the saturn in 7t house from lagna > causes the death of spouse,becoz my sister lost her husband in her > natal chart saturn is in 7th house,please answer thankyou everybody> > > > > > > > Explore your hobbies and interests. Click here to begin.> >> > > > > > > Now you can chat without downloading messenger. Click here to know how. > > > > > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. 5, 50, 500, 5000 - Store N number of mails in your inbox. Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2008 Report Share Posted February 2, 2008 Hare ramakrishna , dear pavitra ji . i think u r brother in laws birth time is 6 minits earlier .Then dasa and strenght of chart is more showing a short life . Now i am busy also as sunday ,will come back to this chart later . rgrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah . , pavitha dinesh <greatness2nil wrote:>> namaskar sunilji,as you have asked my bil date of birth is 19/8/1964,4.38p.m,mysore & time of death is 2/5/07,11.05p.m,my sister has one son his birth date is 28/01/1995,6.15a.m.mysore thankyou> > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala wrote: > Hare rama krishna .> dear pavitra ji .> > Your sisters chart 7th house is afflicted ,Karaka venus is afflicted .also from lagna ,Moon and venus 7th Houe afflicted .> > Venus also dispositor of gulika and 8th Lord from Lagna and moon .> > so venus is spoiled like any thing to deliver its affects .> > I think u dont giv the date of event .> > and her venus -rahu period is going on .> > rahu can giv the effect of sat also gulik has given its amsa to aqua to also rahu there .> > From venus 64th navamsa Lord is venus itself .From moon is sat and hence also rahu .Also 22nd drekkana Lord is sat from lagna .> > also u can see maraka periods from karaka can be merc /sat and hence rahu periods .> > Hence vanus dasa its self is capable to deliver the results .> > U did not mention any thing abt her kids ,is she was out of country .and nature of death of ur brother in law and if u know pls giv us his birth data also .> > Here also tho jup in 12th ,we can find that its sat who can spoil the results as he is debilated and vakra .hence given the duty to rahu .> > > regrds sunil nair > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2008 Report Share Posted February 3, 2008 namaskar sir,my bil died of syndrome suppose to be sjs,which let to multiple organ failure thankyouKrishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote: Dear Pavitha, Did your BIL pass away due to heart related problem? What I see is: - 12th lord Jupiter is in the nakshatra of Sun - Sun is 8th lord and is in 8th - 6th lord Mercury is with Sun - 6L and 8L in the same house is very bad for any house in terms of health - Retrograde Saturn aspects Sun - Sun is in the natural 5th house (4th and 5th both are considered for heart) - 4th and 5th lords of the chart are in Ra/Ke axis The period of death is Sat-Mer-Sat is in line with the above observation of Saturn and Mercury strongly afflicting the Sun / Leo But, I see Sun to be sufficiently strong being in the own house in Rasi and exalted in Navamsha. Did the affliction get better of this strength? If one uses the lagna of the current horoscope, the problem area is the 8th house. He might have had 8th house related health problems. Please do confirm. Regards, Krishna pavitha dinesh <greatness2nil (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: namaskar krishnamurthyji,my bil dob.pob is 19/8/1964,4.38p.m.mysore if this can help to sort out some imp aspects,i am thankfulKrishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 > wrote: Dear Renu ji, You are right that the 7th house is clearly afflicted by Saturn. However, Saturn dasha is not active during her married life. Hence, Saturn uses its connections to get the job done. Saturn is neither conjunct any planet nor aspecting any. The other connections are - Saturn is disposited by Mars. Saturn disposits Rahu in Rasi and disposits Venus in constellation. I guess that is why the death of the spouse happened during Venus/Rahu/Venus. Of course, it is easy to spot such things in a post-mortem analysis. And, since this is one of the many possible ways to arrive at the period of death, this particular logic may not work in all charts. Some other points to note from a different angle: - Malefic Saturn aspects the UL. - UL lord Mercury is retrograde and combust, indicating possibility of widowhood. I beleive that the exaltation does not really help when a planet is combust. - Malefic Saturn occupies 8th from the UL lord, hence Saturn should act as a Maraka for the UL lord Looks like Saturn is key in this chart as far as longevity of the relationship is concerned. Jupiter being the 6th lord conjunct UL lord might have played a role in causing some disease to the spouse. However, in my opinion, it is too broad a generalization to say Saturn in the 7th causes death of the spouse or Jupiter in the 12th cuases separation. We should look for additional riders. This can only be done by studying more and more charts. Pavitha, could you shed more light on the causes for the death of her BIL and if possible share his birth details as well? Regards, Krishnarenunw <renunw (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Dear Krishna ji,This is also a case of Jupiter in 12H. But Jupiter dasa has no connection to the time of death.Saturn in 7H is debilitated + retrograde. So I suppose this afflicts 7H. Also 7HL Mars is aspected by R Saturn. Venus is also afflicted by Rahu-Ketu axis. The running dasa was Venus/Rahu/Venus. Hmm..I am stuck Let us have your analysis.blessingsRenuIn , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote:>> Hi Pavitha,> > Please do indicate the place of birth. Also, it would be helpful if you could give the date when she lost her husband.> > Regards,> Krishna> > pavitha dinesh <greatness2nil wrote:> hello renuji,my sisters birthdata is 26/9/1969,time of birth is 9,26a,m,can this help others also> > renunw <renunw wrote: Dear Pavitha ji,> > Sorry to hear about your sister's loss. Would you mind posting your > sister's birth data to the forum. Thanks...> > blessings> > Renu> > -- In , pavitha dinesh > <greatness2nil@> wrote:> >> > hello to all,i want to know the saturn in 7t house from lagna > causes the death of spouse,becoz my sister lost her husband in her > natal chart saturn is in 7th house,please answer thankyou everybody> > > > > > > > Explore your hobbies and interests. Click here to begin.> >> > > > > > > Now you can chat without downloading messenger. Click here to know how. > > > > > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. 5, 50, 500, 5000 - Store N number of mails in your inbox. Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. Did you know? You can CHAT without downloading messenger. Click here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2008 Report Share Posted February 3, 2008 hare rama krishna , dear pavitra ji . see the re vised birth time (dob.pob is 19/8/1964,4.38p.m.mysore ) will giv sag lagna and sag navmsa ( deduct 6 minits ) ,were navamsa lagna lord and 64th navmsa Lord from lagna will be jup and debilated in amsa . evn see a chart making the death time( .time of death is 2/5/07,11.05p.m) u can see the Lord of 64th navmsa ruling .its sag lagna again (again its is one of the many technics and i may be wrong ) regrds sunil nair Om shreem mahalaxmai namah . , pavitha dinesh <greatness2nil wrote:>> namaskar sir,my bil died of syndrome suppose to be sjs,which let to multiple organ failure thankyou> > Krishnamurthy Seetharama krishna_1998 wrote: Dear Pavitha,> > Did your BIL pass away due to heart related problem?> > What I see is:> > - 12th lord Jupiter is in the nakshatra of Sun> - Sun is 8th lord and is in 8th> - 6th lord Mercury is with Sun> - 6L and 8L in the same house is very bad for any house in terms of health> - Retrograde Saturn aspects Sun> - Sun is in the natural 5th house (4th and 5th both are considered for heart)> - 4th and 5th lords of the chart are in Ra/Ke axis> > The period of death is Sat-Mer-Sat is in line with the above observation of Saturn and Mercury strongly afflicting the Sun / Leo> > But, I see Sun to be sufficiently strong being in the own house in Rasi and exalted in Navamsha. Did the affliction get better of this strength?> > If one uses the lagna of the current horoscope, the problem area is the 8th house. He might have had 8th house related health problems.> > Please do confirm.> > Regards,> Krishna> > > > pavitha dinesh greatness2nil wrote:> namaskar krishnamurthyji,my bil dob.pob is 19/8/1964,4.38p.m.mysore if this can help to sort out some imp aspects,i am thankful> > Krishnamurthy Seetharama krishna_1998 wrote: Dear Renu ji,> > You are right that the 7th house is clearly afflicted by Saturn. > > However, Saturn dasha is not active during her married life. Hence, Saturn uses its connections to get the job done. Saturn is neither conjunct any planet nor aspecting any. The other connections are - Saturn is disposited by Mars. Saturn disposits Rahu in Rasi and disposits Venus in constellation. I guess that is why the death of the spouse happened during Venus/Rahu/Venus.> > Of course, it is easy to spot such things in a post-mortem analysis. And, since this is one of the many possible ways to arrive at the period of death, this particular logic may not work in all charts.> > Some other points to note from a different angle:> > - Malefic Saturn aspects the UL.> - UL lord Mercury is retrograde and combust, indicating possibility of widowhood. I beleive that the exaltation does not really help when a planet is combust.> - Malefic Saturn occupies 8th from the UL lord, hence Saturn should act as a Maraka for the UL lord> > Looks like Saturn is key in this chart as far as longevity of the relationship is concerned. Jupiter being the 6th lord conjunct UL lord might have played a role in causing some disease to the spouse.> > However, in my opinion, it is too broad a generalization to say Saturn in the 7th causes death of the spouse or Jupiter in the 12th cuases separation. We should look for additional riders. This can only be done by studying more and more charts.> > Pavitha, could you shed more light on the causes for the death of her BIL and if possible share his birth details as well?> > Regards,> Krishna> > renunw renunw wrote:> Dear Krishna ji,> > This is also a case of Jupiter in 12H. But Jupiter dasa has no > connection to the time of death.> > Saturn in 7H is debilitated + retrograde. So I suppose this afflicts > 7H. Also 7HL Mars is aspected by R Saturn. Venus is also afflicted > by Rahu-Ketu axis. > > The running dasa was Venus/Rahu/Venus. Hmm..I am stuck > > Let us have your analysis.> > blessings> > Renu> > In , Krishnamurthy > Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote:> >> > Hi Pavitha,> > > > Please do indicate the place of birth. Also, it would be helpful > if you could give the date when she lost her husband.> > > > Regards,> > Krishna> > > > pavitha dinesh greatness2nil@ wrote:> > hello renuji,my sisters birthdata is 26/9/1969,time of > birth is 9,26a,m,can this help others also> > > > renunw renunw@ wrote: Dear Pavitha ji,> > > > Sorry to hear about your sister's loss. Would you mind posting > your > > sister's birth data to the forum. Thanks...> > > > blessings> > > > Renu> > > > -- In , pavitha dinesh > > <greatness2nil@> wrote:> > >> > > hello to all,i want to know the saturn in 7t house from lagna > > causes the death of spouse,becoz my sister lost her husband in her > > natal chart saturn is in 7th house,please answer thankyou everybody> > > > > > > > > > > > Explore your hobbies and interests. Click here to begin.> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now you can chat without downloading messenger. Click here to > know how. > > > > > > > > > > > > Never miss a thing. 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Guest guest Posted February 3, 2008 Report Share Posted February 3, 2008 Dear All, I have added two new inputs to the analysis: - As suggested by Sunil ji, the most likely lagna is Sagittarius - Navtive died due to SJS I tried to find out what is SJS. It is an allergic reaction that affects the skin/mucas membrane of multiple organs: What is Stevens-Johnson Syndrome? Stevens Johnson Syndrome patients suffer from inflammation of the skin and mucous membranes. Since mucous membranes are present in many organs throughout the body, such as the eyes, digestive system, lungs and respiratory system, many organs can become significantly affected during the disease process. SJS technically is an immune-complex-mediated hypersensitivity (allergic) condition. It is a severe expression of the condition known as erythema multiforme and is a lesser form of the condition known as toxic epidermal necrolysis. SJS is a serious disorder with potential for severe morbidity and in some cases, it can be fatal. For More info, look at: http://www.mediafact.com/sjs/ As the problem is not specific to a particular organ, we are talking about a dhatu here. Mucas membrane is also kind of a skin (internal), hence I guess it is also ruled by Mercury. Therefore, we should look for severe afflictions to a house owned by Mercury and to Mercury itself, irrespective of the house number. In the chart being discussed, Gemini is severely afflicted: - In Ra/Ke axis - Both 6th lord Venus and 12th lord Mars afflict Gemini by occupation - 8th lord Moon aspects Gemini - Hence, all three dusthana lords focus their energies on Gemini, in addition to Rahu/Ketu. This is no doubt a severe condition and rare to find that all dusthana lords are focussed on a house and afflicting both Lagna and Moon as well. - Mercury is aspected by retrograde Satrun - Mercury is disposited by 6th lord Venus in constellation Comments welcome. Regards, Krishna pavitha dinesh <greatness2nil wrote: namaskar sir,my bil died of syndrome suppose to be sjs,which let to multiple organ failure thankyou Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2008 Report Share Posted February 3, 2008 Dear Sreenadh It is interesting to note that you use Chandra Hari Ayanamsa. I have been experimenting with this, as well as other ayanamsas, and so far Lahiri seems to be the most accurate. There is of course much more work to be done before placing too much confidence in any particular ayanamsa. An impressive piece of statistical research can be found here: home.valornet.com/overbeck/AyanStat.pdf and maybe the statisticians among us can pursue something similar, but with different parameters? Regards, Maniv , " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote: > > > Dear All, > Let us go through some of the charts presented in the group recently > – > > Ayanamsa: True Ayanamsa of CHari; Year length=360 days Savana year; > > Dasa = Vimsottari > > 1) 29 Apr 1959 PM; New Delhi; India > > Time of death not given; Dasa-Antara intimated = Ju/Ra > > House : Planets : Navamsa > > Lagna (Sagittarius) :As-(Sa) :Me-Me > > 2H : Mo : - > > 3H : Gk :- > > 4H : Ke-Me :Ma-Gk > > 5H : Su : Mo-As > > 6H : Ve : - > > 7H : Ma : Ra > > 8H : - : (Sa) > > 9H : - : (Ju)-Ve- Su > > 10H : Ra : - > > 11H : - :- > > 12H : (Ju) :- > > Event : Divorce in 2005; No job, no money, no family life - during > 2005-2008 > > Points to note – > > * Retrograde Ju in 12th from natal lagna – indicating > divorce > * Mars in 7th from lagna – indicating divorce > * Agni-Maruta yoga in 7th with Mars in 7th aspected by Saturn > from lagna –indicting divorce > > Result: Divorce in Ju/Ma Vimsottari dasa > > * Ra in 10H and only malefics are present in all the Kendras of > Rahu in 10th; 10th lord debilitated but aspects 10th ; Indicating > that Rahu dasa will give good results but, in the dasa of enemy planets > Rahu antara would be catastrophic > * As per classics, for Men Ju-Ra dasa sandhi would be > catastrophic providing marriage related problems and financial > problems, since the junction antaras are of malefics. The result > fructified in this chart. > * Jupiter dasa is running and the antra is of Rahu in 10th ; > both are enimical to each other. > > Result: Loss of money, income, job less ness, family collapse. > > 2) 31 Jan 1948 PM; Guntur; India; > > Event: Wife died in Accident on 6 May 1996 > > House : Planets : Navamsa > > Lagna (Gemini) :As :- > > 2H : (Sa) : (Ma) > > 3H : (Ma) :- > > 4H : Mo :Mo > > 5H : Ke : - > > 6H : Ju : Ra-Me > > 7H : - : - > > 8H : Su-Gk : - > > 9H : Ve-Me : (Sa) > > 10H : - : Ju > > 11H : Ra : Ve > > 12H : - : Su-Ke-As- Gk > > Points to note – > > * Dasa-Antara at the time of event : Sa/Su/Ma > * The malefics Sun and Gk are present in 8th from Lagna – > indicating loss of wife > * The above result is supposed to fructify at the Navamsa lord > of the 8th lord. 8H lord is Saturn and the navamsa lord of Saturn > is also Saturn > * Mars is 6th lord (accident) and is placed in 7th from the > significator of wife Venus > > Result: The event occurred in the dasa of depositor of 8th lord; In the > Antara of Sun the malefic in 8th placed with Gk; and in the Paryantara > of Mars the 6th lord placed in 7th from Venus. > > 3) 26 Sep 1969 AM; Bangalore; India; > > Event: Death of husband on 2nd May 2007 > > House : Planets : Navamsa > > Lagna (Gemini) :As-Gk :Mo-Gk > > 2H : - : Ke > > 3H : Ma :- > > 4H : - :- > > 5H : Ra : - > > 6H : Mo : Su > > 7H : Sa : - > > 8H :- : (Me)-Ra- As > > 9H : - : Ju-Ve-Ma > > 10H : - : - > > 11H : Ve-Ke : (Sa) > > 12H : (Me)-Ju-Su : - > > Points to note – > > * The Dasa-Antara running at the time of event was Ve/Ra/Me > * Venus is 8H lord both from Lagna and from Moon and is the > depositor of Gk > * Rahu is in 5th in the sign of Saturn and is supposed to give > the results of Saturn; The retrograde Saturn in turn is debilitated > in 7th house – indicating lose of husband; Thus naturally Rahu > is not auspicious here regarding married life. > * Considering Gk as the malefic in 8th from Moon, any malefic > effect (here Gk pointing to abnormal death) should take effect in > the Dasa or Antara of the depositor of 8th lord's navamsa – > which happen to be Mercury. > * 6th lord from Moon is placed in 7th – another indicator of > loss of husband; and here the result could fructify through Sun the > 6th lord in 7th or through retrograde Mercury placed along with > this malefic. > * Also note that in 8th (house of death) from Natal lagna (which > happen to be a sign of Venus), the navamsa of Lagna, Mercury and Rahu > are placed together. Rahu providing the effects of Saturn, and > Mercury that of Sun, and the As navamsa that of Venus and being 8th > house is it naturally explains the death of husband happened in > Ve/Ra/Me > > 4) 26 Jan 1953 @ 3.08 AM, Colombo, Srilanka > > Event: Death of husband in Ju/Ra > > * Whether it is Ju/Ra or Ju/Ma (as per Ayanamsa change) – > difficult locate or predict the event. The combination must be more > related to and reflected by the chart of the husband itself. Not > much of a clear indication here regarding the event. > The only point that could be easily noticed is that – 2nd lord > went to 6th house indicating loss of family life with husband. Mars > in 4H with Venus could be another indicator. Note the navamsa of Mars in > 7th from lagna along with Moon in 7th as well. So the event must > have happened in Ju/Ma rather than Ju/Ra. Anyway the event is not > specially visible from this chart and can't be predicted prior hand > due to lack of clear indicators. Regards, > Sreenadh > > , " renunw " <renunw@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Krishna ji, > > > > This is also a case of Jupiter in 12H. But Jupiter dasa has no > > connection to the time of death. > > > > Saturn in 7H is debilitated + retrograde. So I suppose this afflicts > > 7H. Also 7HL Mars is aspected by R Saturn. Venus is also afflicted > > by Rahu-Ketu axis. > > > > The running dasa was Venus/Rahu/Venus. Hmm..I am stuck > > > > Let us have your analysis. > > > > blessings > > > > Renu > > > > > > > > In , Krishnamurthy > > Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote: > > > > > > Hi Pavitha, > > > > > > Please do indicate the place of birth. Also, it would be helpful > > if you could give the date when she lost her husband. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Krishna > > > > > > pavitha dinesh greatness2nil@ wrote: > > > hello renuji,my sisters birthdata is 26/9/1969,time of > > birth is 9,26a,m,can this help others also > > > > > > renunw renunw@ wrote: Dear Pavitha ji, > > > > > > Sorry to hear about your sister's loss. Would you mind posting > > your > > > sister's birth data to the forum. Thanks... > > > > > > blessings > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > -- In , pavitha dinesh > > > <greatness2nil@> wrote: > > > > > > > > hello to all,i want to know the saturn in 7t house from lagna > > > causes the death of spouse,becoz my sister lost her husband in her > > > natal chart saturn is in 7th house,please answer thankyou everybody > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Explore your hobbies and interests. Click here to begin. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now you can chat without downloading messenger. 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Guest guest Posted February 4, 2008 Report Share Posted February 4, 2008 Dear Maniv ji, Please note the following points - * I use Chandra hari Ayanamsa with Vimsottari dasa and year length of 360 days Savana year - strictly as suggested by the classics [so don't ask me - what is the logic behind ] This satisfies my conditions and gives me dependable results (actually this ONLY gives me dependable results!) * Overbeck was an active member in vedic astrology group and we hand some private email conversations earlier, and currently he is a member of this group. * The Overbeck's document DIDN'T tested Chandra Hari's ayanamsa. * His document provides the following statement as well - "Curiously,the most popular of all of the ayanamsas Lahiri did poorly in all of the tests, falling in the 2nd half of all tested 9 out of 12 cases. If there is a true ayanamsa, it is not a part of this test group." Of course I agree to your statement -==>> and maybe the statisticians among us can pursue something similar, > but with different parameters?<== Yes, may be there is a possibility. Note: The research file provided by Overbeck ji is uploaded in the files section of the gorup and can be accessed from : Articles%20and%20E-books/AyanStat.pdf Love and regards,Sreenadh , "maniv_pathak" <maniv_pathak wrote:>> Dear Sreenadh> > It is interesting to note that you use Chandra Hari Ayanamsa.> > I have been experimenting with this, as well as other ayanamsas, and > so far Lahiri seems to be the most accurate. There is of course much > more work to be done before placing too much confidence in any > particular ayanamsa. > > An impressive piece of statistical research can be found here: > > home.valornet.com/overbeck/AyanStat.pdf > > and maybe the statisticians among us can pursue something similar, > but with different parameters?> > Regards,> > Maniv> , "Sreenadh" > sreesog@ wrote:> >> > > > Dear All,> > Let us go through some of the charts presented in the group recently> > ?> > > > Ayanamsa: True Ayanamsa of CHari; Year length=360 days Savana year;> > > > Dasa = Vimsottari> > > > 1) 29 Apr 1959@ PM; New Delhi; India> > > > Time of death not given; Dasa-Antara intimated = Ju/Ra> > > > House : Planets : Navamsa> > > > Lagna (Sagittarius) :As-(Sa) :Me-Me> > > > 2H : Mo : -> > > > 3H : Gk :-> > > > 4H : Ke-Me :Ma-Gk> > > > 5H : Su : Mo-As> > > > 6H : Ve : -> > > > 7H : Ma : Ra> > > > 8H : - : (Sa)> > > > 9H : - : (Ju)-Ve-> Su> > > > 10H : Ra : -> > > > 11H : - :-> > > > 12H : (Ju) :-> > > > Event : Divorce in 2005; No job, no money, no family life - during> > 2005-2008> > > > Points to note ?> > > > * Retrograde Ju in 12th from natal lagna ? indicating> > divorce> > * Mars in 7th from lagna ? indicating divorce> > * Agni-Maruta yoga in 7th with Mars in 7th aspected by > Saturn> > from lagna ?indicting divorce> > > > Result: Divorce in Ju/Ma Vimsottari dasa> > > > * Ra in 10H and only malefics are present in all the > Kendras of> > Rahu in 10th; 10th lord debilitated but aspects 10th ; > Indicating> > that Rahu dasa will give good results but, in the dasa of enemy > planets> > Rahu antara would be catastrophic> > * As per classics, for Men Ju-Ra dasa sandhi would be> > catastrophic providing marriage related problems and financial> > problems, since the junction antaras are of malefics. The > result> > fructified in this chart.> > * Jupiter dasa is running and the antra is of Rahu in > 10th ;> > both are enimical to each other.> > > > Result: Loss of money, income, job less ness, family collapse.> > > > 2) 31 Jan 1948@ PM; Guntur; India;> > > > Event: Wife died in Accident on 6 May 1996> > > > House : Planets : Navamsa> > > > Lagna (Gemini) :As :-> > > > 2H : (Sa) : (Ma)> > > > 3H : (Ma) :-> > > > 4H : Mo :Mo> > > > 5H : Ke : -> > > > 6H : Ju : Ra-Me> > > > 7H : - : -> > > > 8H : Su-Gk : -> > > > 9H : Ve-Me : (Sa)> > > > 10H : - : Ju> > > > 11H : Ra : Ve> > > > 12H : - : Su-Ke-As-> Gk> > > > Points to note ?> > > > * Dasa-Antara at the time of event : Sa/Su/Ma> > * The malefics Sun and Gk are present in 8th from Lagna ?> > indicating loss of wife> > * The above result is supposed to fructify at the Navamsa > lord> > of the 8th lord. 8H lord is Saturn and the navamsa lord of > Saturn> > is also Saturn> > * Mars is 6th lord (accident) and is placed in 7th from > the > > significator of wife Venus> > > > Result: The event occurred in the dasa of depositor of 8th lord; In > the> > Antara of Sun the malefic in 8th placed with Gk; and in the > Paryantara> > of Mars the 6th lord placed in 7th from Venus.> > > > 3) 26 Sep 1969@ AM; Bangalore; India;> > > > Event: Death of husband on 2nd May 2007> > > > House : Planets : Navamsa> > > > Lagna (Gemini) :As-Gk :Mo-Gk> > > > 2H : - : Ke> > > > 3H : Ma :-> > > > 4H : - :-> > > > 5H : Ra : -> > > > 6H : Mo : Su> > > > 7H : Sa : -> > > > 8H :- : (Me)-Ra-> As> > > > 9H : - : Ju-Ve-Ma> > > > 10H : - : -> > > > 11H : Ve-Ke : (Sa)> > > > 12H : (Me)-Ju-Su : -> > > > Points to note ?> > > > * The Dasa-Antara running at the time of event was Ve/Ra/Me> > * Venus is 8H lord both from Lagna and from Moon and is the> > depositor of Gk> > * Rahu is in 5th in the sign of Saturn and is supposed to > give> > the results of Saturn; The retrograde Saturn in turn is > debilitated> > in 7th house ? indicating lose of husband; Thus naturally Rahu> > is not auspicious here regarding married life.> > * Considering Gk as the malefic in 8th from Moon, any > malefic> > effect (here Gk pointing to abnormal death) should take effect > in> > the Dasa or Antara of the depositor of 8th lord's navamsa ?> > which happen to be Mercury.> > * 6th lord from Moon is placed in 7th ? another indicator > of> > loss of husband; and here the result could fructify through > Sun the> > 6th lord in 7th or through retrograde Mercury placed along with> > this malefic.> > * Also note that in 8th (house of death) from Natal lagna > (which> > happen to be a sign of Venus), the navamsa of Lagna, Mercury and > Rahu> > are placed together. Rahu providing the effects of Saturn, and> > Mercury that of Sun, and the As navamsa that of Venus and > being 8th> > house is it naturally explains the death of husband happened in> > Ve/Ra/Me> > > > 4) 26 Jan 1953 @ 3.08 AM, Colombo, Srilanka> > > > Event: Death of husband in Ju/Ra> > > > * Whether it is Ju/Ra or Ju/Ma (as per Ayanamsa change) ?> > difficult locate or predict the event. The combination must be > more> > related to and reflected by the chart of the husband itself. > Not> > much of a clear indication here regarding the event.> > The only point that could be easily noticed is that ? 2nd lord> > went to 6th house indicating loss of family life with husband. > Mars> > in 4H with Venus could be another indicator. Note the navamsa of > Mars in> > 7th from lagna along with Moon in 7th as well. So the event > must> > have happened in Ju/Ma rather than Ju/Ra. Anyway the event is > not > > specially visible from this chart and can't be predicted prior hand> > due to lack of clear indicators. Regards,> > Sreenadh> > > > , "renunw" <renunw@>> > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Krishna ji,> > >> > > This is also a case of Jupiter in 12H. But Jupiter dasa has no> > > connection to the time of death.> > >> > > Saturn in 7H is debilitated + retrograde. So I suppose this > afflicts> > > 7H. Also 7HL Mars is aspected by R Saturn. Venus is also afflicted> > > by Rahu-Ketu axis.> > >> > > The running dasa was Venus/Rahu/Venus. Hmm..I am stuck > > >> > > Let us have your analysis.> > >> > > blessings> > >> > > Renu> > >> > >> > >> > > In , Krishnamurthy> > > Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Hi Pavitha,> > > >> > > > Please do indicate the place of birth. Also, it would be > helpful> > > if you could give the date when she lost her husband.> > > >> > > > Regards,> > > > Krishna> > > >> > > > pavitha dinesh greatness2nil@ wrote:> > > > hello renuji,my sisters birthdata is 26/9/1969,time of> > > birth is 9,26a,m,can this help others also> > > >> > > > renunw renunw@ wrote: Dear Pavitha ji,> > > >> > > > Sorry to hear about your sister's loss. Would you mind posting> > > your> > > > sister's birth data to the forum. Thanks...> > > >> > > > blessings> > > >> > > > Renu> > > >> > > > -- In , pavitha dinesh> > > > <greatness2nil@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > hello to all,i want to know the saturn in 7t house from lagna> > > > causes the death of spouse,becoz my sister lost her husband in > her> > > > natal chart saturn is in 7th house,please answer thankyou > everybody> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Explore your hobbies and interests. Click here to begin.> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > Now you can chat without downloading messenger. Click here to> > > know how.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2008 Report Share Posted February 5, 2008 Sreenadhji I value your judgement that only Chandra Hari ayanamsa has given you accurate results, and am open to its validity. However, in my experiments thus far I have found it to be less reliable than Lahiri, but more reliable than Raman. Note that a group member has recently posted birth data for his son and the completion date of his studies: this may act as a useful discussion point in the context of ayanamsa. I am not able to access Overbecks work at the moment, but from what I recall, Chandra Hari ayanamsa was included in his pool of variables. I shall verify this when I get a chance. However, as with all statistical studies, the configuration or specification of the parameters/tests/data sources etc used in the model must be robust to avoid misleading results. This work used the Moon's nakshatra as the main measure, which is probably too general. If the true ayanamsa is not Lahiri (or something close) then the implications for the Jyotish community are huge. The fact that the majority achieve reasonable results with Lahiri in itself indicates that the results of this study are inconsistent with reality, and adjustments need to made to ensure that the model is not misspecified. However, I value the efforts to link empirical quantitative analysis to test ayanamsa, and hope that similar studies can be carried out to test 'theoretical' jyotish principles. Maniv -- In , " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote: > > > Dear Maniv ji, > Please note the following points - > * I use Chandra hari Ayanamsa with Vimsottari dasa and year length of > 360 days Savana year - strictly as suggested by the classics [so don't > ask me - what is the logic behind ] This satisfies my conditions and > gives me dependable results (actually this ONLY gives me dependable > results!) > * Overbeck was an active member in vedic astrology group and we hand > some private email conversations earlier, and currently he is a member > of this group. > * The Overbeck's document DIDN'T tested Chandra Hari's ayanamsa. > * His document provides the following statement as well - > " Curiously,the most popular of all of the ayanamsas Lahiri did poorly in > all of the tests, falling in the 2nd half of all tested 9 out of 12 > cases. If there is a true ayanamsa, it is not a part of this test > group. " > Of course I agree to your statement - > ==> > > and maybe the statisticians among us can pursue something similar, > > but with different parameters? > <== > Yes, may be there is a possibility. > Note: The research file provided by Overbeck ji is uploaded in the > files section of the gorup and can be accessed from : > Articles% 20\ > and%20E-books/AyanStat.pdf > <Articles %2\ > 0and%20E-books/AyanStat.pdf> > Love and regards, > Sreenadh > > , " maniv_pathak " > <maniv_pathak@> wrote: > > > > Dear Sreenadh > > > > It is interesting to note that you use Chandra Hari Ayanamsa. > > > > I have been experimenting with this, as well as other ayanamsas, and > > so far Lahiri seems to be the most accurate. There is of course much > > more work to be done before placing too much confidence in any > > particular ayanamsa. > > > > An impressive piece of statistical research can be found here: > > > > home.valornet.com/overbeck/AyanStat.pdf > > > > and maybe the statisticians among us can pursue something similar, > > but with different parameters? > > > > Regards, > > > > Maniv > > , " Sreenadh " > > sreesog@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > Let us go through some of the charts presented in the group recently > > > ? > > > > > > Ayanamsa: True Ayanamsa of CHari; Year length=360 days Savana year; > > > > > > Dasa = Vimsottari > > > > > > 1) 29 Apr 1959@ PM; New Delhi; India > > > > > > Time of death not given; Dasa-Antara intimated = Ju/Ra > > > > > > House : Planets : Navamsa > > > > > > Lagna (Sagittarius) :As-(Sa) :Me-Me > > > > > > 2H : Mo : - > > > > > > 3H : Gk :- > > > > > > 4H : Ke-Me :Ma-Gk > > > > > > 5H : Su : Mo-As > > > > > > 6H : Ve : - > > > > > > 7H : Ma : Ra > > > > > > 8H : - : (Sa) > > > > > > 9H : - : (Ju)-Ve- > > Su > > > > > > 10H : Ra : - > > > > > > 11H : - :- > > > > > > 12H : (Ju) :- > > > > > > Event : Divorce in 2005; No job, no money, no family life - during > > > 2005-2008 > > > > > > Points to note ? > > > > > > * Retrograde Ju in 12th from natal lagna ? indicating > > > divorce > > > * Mars in 7th from lagna ? indicating divorce > > > * Agni-Maruta yoga in 7th with Mars in 7th aspected by > > Saturn > > > from lagna ?indicting divorce > > > > > > Result: Divorce in Ju/Ma Vimsottari dasa > > > > > > * Ra in 10H and only malefics are present in all the > > Kendras of > > > Rahu in 10th; 10th lord debilitated but aspects 10th ; > > Indicating > > > that Rahu dasa will give good results but, in the dasa of enemy > > planets > > > Rahu antara would be catastrophic > > > * As per classics, for Men Ju-Ra dasa sandhi would be > > > catastrophic providing marriage related problems and financial > > > problems, since the junction antaras are of malefics. The > > result > > > fructified in this chart. > > > * Jupiter dasa is running and the antra is of Rahu in > > 10th ; > > > both are enimical to each other. > > > > > > Result: Loss of money, income, job less ness, family collapse. > > > > > > 2) 31 Jan 1948@ PM; Guntur; India; > > > > > > Event: Wife died in Accident on 6 May 1996 > > > > > > House : Planets : Navamsa > > > > > > Lagna (Gemini) :As :- > > > > > > 2H : (Sa) : (Ma) > > > > > > 3H : (Ma) :- > > > > > > 4H : Mo :Mo > > > > > > 5H : Ke : - > > > > > > 6H : Ju : Ra-Me > > > > > > 7H : - : - > > > > > > 8H : Su-Gk : - > > > > > > 9H : Ve-Me : (Sa) > > > > > > 10H : - : Ju > > > > > > 11H : Ra : Ve > > > > > > 12H : - : Su-Ke-As- > > Gk > > > > > > Points to note ? > > > > > > * Dasa-Antara at the time of event : Sa/Su/Ma > > > * The malefics Sun and Gk are present in 8th from Lagna ? > > > indicating loss of wife > > > * The above result is supposed to fructify at the Navamsa > > lord > > > of the 8th lord. 8H lord is Saturn and the navamsa lord of > > Saturn > > > is also Saturn > > > * Mars is 6th lord (accident) and is placed in 7th from > > the > > > significator of wife Venus > > > > > > Result: The event occurred in the dasa of depositor of 8th lord; In > > the > > > Antara of Sun the malefic in 8th placed with Gk; and in the > > Paryantara > > > of Mars the 6th lord placed in 7th from Venus. > > > > > > 3) 26 Sep 1969@ AM; Bangalore; India; > > > > > > Event: Death of husband on 2nd May 2007 > > > > > > House : Planets : Navamsa > > > > > > Lagna (Gemini) :As-Gk :Mo-Gk > > > > > > 2H : - : Ke > > > > > > 3H : Ma :- > > > > > > 4H : - :- > > > > > > 5H : Ra : - > > > > > > 6H : Mo : Su > > > > > > 7H : Sa : - > > > > > > 8H :- : (Me)-Ra- > > As > > > > > > 9H : - : Ju-Ve-Ma > > > > > > 10H : - : - > > > > > > 11H : Ve-Ke : (Sa) > > > > > > 12H : (Me)-Ju-Su : - > > > > > > Points to note ? > > > > > > * The Dasa-Antara running at the time of event was Ve/Ra/Me > > > * Venus is 8H lord both from Lagna and from Moon and is the > > > depositor of Gk > > > * Rahu is in 5th in the sign of Saturn and is supposed to > > give > > > the results of Saturn; The retrograde Saturn in turn is > > debilitated > > > in 7th house ? indicating lose of husband; Thus naturally Rahu > > > is not auspicious here regarding married life. > > > * Considering Gk as the malefic in 8th from Moon, any > > malefic > > > effect (here Gk pointing to abnormal death) should take effect > > in > > > the Dasa or Antara of the depositor of 8th lord's navamsa ? > > > which happen to be Mercury. > > > * 6th lord from Moon is placed in 7th ? another indicator > > of > > > loss of husband; and here the result could fructify through > > Sun the > > > 6th lord in 7th or through retrograde Mercury placed along with > > > this malefic. > > > * Also note that in 8th (house of death) from Natal lagna > > (which > > > happen to be a sign of Venus), the navamsa of Lagna, Mercury and > > Rahu > > > are placed together. Rahu providing the effects of Saturn, and > > > Mercury that of Sun, and the As navamsa that of Venus and > > being 8th > > > house is it naturally explains the death of husband happened in > > > Ve/Ra/Me > > > > > > 4) 26 Jan 1953 @ 3.08 AM, Colombo, Srilanka > > > > > > Event: Death of husband in Ju/Ra > > > > > > * Whether it is Ju/Ra or Ju/Ma (as per Ayanamsa change) ? > > > difficult locate or predict the event. The combination must be > > more > > > related to and reflected by the chart of the husband itself. > > Not > > > much of a clear indication here regarding the event. > > > The only point that could be easily noticed is that ? 2nd lord > > > went to 6th house indicating loss of family life with husband. > > Mars > > > in 4H with Venus could be another indicator. Note the navamsa of > > Mars in > > > 7th from lagna along with Moon in 7th as well. So the event > > must > > > have happened in Ju/Ma rather than Ju/Ra. Anyway the event is > > not > > > specially visible from this chart and can't be predicted prior hand > > > due to lack of clear indicators. Regards, > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > , " renunw " <renunw@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna ji, > > > > > > > > This is also a case of Jupiter in 12H. But Jupiter dasa has no > > > > connection to the time of death. > > > > > > > > Saturn in 7H is debilitated + retrograde. So I suppose this > > afflicts > > > > 7H. Also 7HL Mars is aspected by R Saturn. Venus is also afflicted > > > > by Rahu-Ketu axis. > > > > > > > > The running dasa was Venus/Rahu/Venus. Hmm..I am stuck > > > > > > > > Let us have your analysis. > > > > > > > > blessings > > > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In , Krishnamurthy > > > > Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi Pavitha, > > > > > > > > > > Please do indicate the place of birth. Also, it would be > > helpful > > > > if you could give the date when she lost her husband. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > pavitha dinesh greatness2nil@ wrote: > > > > > hello renuji,my sisters birthdata is 26/9/1969,time of > > > > birth is 9,26a,m,can this help others also > > > > > > > > > > renunw renunw@ wrote: Dear Pavitha ji, > > > > > > > > > > Sorry to hear about your sister's loss. Would you mind posting > > > > your > > > > > sister's birth data to the forum. Thanks... > > > > > > > > > > blessings > > > > > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > > > > > -- In , pavitha dinesh > > > > > <greatness2nil@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > hello to all,i want to know the saturn in 7t house from lagna > > > > > causes the death of spouse,becoz my sister lost her husband in > > her > > > > > natal chart saturn is in 7th house,please answer thankyou > > everybody > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Explore your hobbies and interests. 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