RE: Jupiter in 12th house may mak e a woman a widow

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Dear Neelam-ji,

 

Just a question from beginner...

 

The person had everything (job, money) few years ago.

 

So, whatever dosha /weakness the chart had due to 12H positioning

of Jup, it should have been operative through out the Jup Dasha.

Why the results had to happen at the end of 16 yrs of Dasha ?

 

As it appears, the last phase of Dasha (Jup-Rahu) of approx 28 months

was devastating. Rahu's dispositor mercury, lord of 7H & 10H is debilitated.

Jup, Lagna lord & 4H in 12H - so the results are related to these areas.

 

I remember that strong planets in dusthana gives bad results whereas

weak planets in dusthana gives better results, at least materially.

I don't know whether this is supported by Classics.

 

Regards

 

Chakraborty

 

neelam gupta [neelamgupta07]Friday, February 01, 2008 10:02 PM Subject: Re: Re: "Jupiter in 12th house may make a woman a widow"

 

Dear Sreenadhji and all other learned members,Here's another interesting case of 12th house Jupiter, who happens to be the lagna lord also.Male: 29.4.1959/22.30/DelhiSagitarius lagan with retrograde saturn, Moon in 2H, Mer and Ket in 4H, Sun in 5H, Ven in 6th, Mars in 7H, rahu in 10th and a retrograde Jupiter in 12H.The native has just finished his Jupiter Mahadasha in September 2007. Now the interesting point here is, at the end of his Jupiter dasha, he has all his kendras blank in his life. No body, no home, no wife and no job.His wife left him in 2005 and he is fighting a divorce case. He was chucked out by the MNC he was working for, although he was in top management cadre getting about 60 lakh per annum. He has no home to call his own. He's dejected and depressed, on the verge of a breakdown.Just a few noteworthy points:Lagan lord is in 12th house (from lagan, from moon as well as navmansh)Jupiter is strongly placed in 12th house (remember retrograde jupiter is strong in all rashis except capricorn)7th and 10th lord Mercury is debilitated in 4H in R/K axis.There is no benefic in kendras, and no rajyoga formed with tikona lords (except if you take a retrograde aspect of Jupiter which is debatable).The navamsh kendras have become empty.Do you think its a kendradhipati dosh in operation during the Jupiter dasha? Kendra lords not being well placed.The Kendras signify Vishnu, the maintainer, and the Trikonas signify Lakshmiji, the Goddess of Fortune. Thus the Kendras indicate things that we should maintain (1st-body, 4th-home, 7th-wife, 10th-work). On the other hand, the Trikonas indicate fortune (Purva Punya dharma and religiousness in this life). So if there's a connection between Kendras and Trikonas through their lords being conjunct, in Parivartana or at least in aspect, the Yoga of Lakshmi and Vishnu is created, which brings success. However, if there's only the Kendras, with no contact from the Trikonas, then there will be no fortune, opportunities and there will be nothing to maintain. This is the case with Kendradhipaqti Dosh. The results of the planet are limited because of no yoga with the Trikonas. This dosh is specifically applicable to the four dual signs or Jupiter and Mercury as when they are kendra lords, both their signs fall in kendras only. Though for Sagittarius and Virgo lagnas, their mooltrikon sign falls in lagan which is also a trikon, they become dosh-rahit or dosh is not so much (BPHS).There are several other factors also in the chart that seem to attribute to this condition. I would appreciate the opinion of leaned members on this one? Love and regardsneelam

On 01/02/2008, sreenadh <sreesog > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Chandrahari ji, I agree that of course Jupiter is a natural benefice, but then too feel that possibly Jupiter in 12th can indicate many bad results such as marriage problems, divorce, or even death of husband as told by strijataka - provided other combinations also support the same. In this moment the point that comes to my mind related to the possibility is a sloka which reads - Shashtashtama kantakago gurur uchho bhavati Meena lagne va Janmani marane va mokshgatimahuH (Leghu Jatakam) [if Jupiter is in 6th, 8th or 12th from lagna especially in exaltation; or if Jupiter is in Pisces lagna - at the time of birth or death the same can indicate Moksha gati] This sloka clearly indicates that Jupiter in 6th, 8th or 12th increases one's interest in spirituality and realization - which of course is usually causes negative influence regarding happy family life with wife - and sex life. Possibly such too much interest in spirituality too can cause a house-wreck. Any way I am not stressing this point, but instead I will go through the classics and comeback with more material either in support of this argument or negativing - so that we can be sure does the books like Strijataka which provides us with such slokas has the support for the same in Rishi horas or not. Mean while we can verify the same with real life experiences. Love and regards,Sreenadhchandra_hari18 <chandra_hari18 > wrote:

 

 

 

 

Dear Sreenadh,

Let's not mistakenly blame Jupiter for widowhood. 9th house has nothing to do with Mangalyam except that it is 2nd from 8th and hence a benefic in 9th augurs well for the longevity of the husband. Other details like luck etc are secondary things. Luck, wealth, fame etc can come through bad ways like insurance policies too. Jupiter as natural significator of 9th (Bhavakaraka) may not be that critical.

But when we consider 8th house malefics, there is no better antidote than Guru in 12th and as you may be knowing this is an important classical dictum that Jnana_Vrddhas adhere to in Kerala.

Jupiter can cause widowhood when Jupiter is lord of Navamsa Lagna weakly placed by debiliation or other factors. As lord of Lagna debiliated in Navamsa too, Jupiter can cause widowhood or separation (adverse to marital life).

Unless we learn to examine navamsa correctly along with a reliable timing technique like Vimsottari dasa, the truth of astrological basics cannot be well understood and we will end up blaming Jupiter. Remember that a "Yogamaraka" theory originated in the past based on the horoscope of Tagore who died in Rahu-Mars.

chandra hari

 

, "Sreenadh" <sreesog wrote:>> > Dear Chandrahari ji,> I apprecioate your view. But note that Jupiter is the lord of 9th> house in the natural horoscope. 9th house is considered as the house of> luck, and as a house providing good husband and children especially for> women. Being significator of male some even consider Jupiter as the> natural significator of husband - even though this argument is not wide> spread. So the point I would suggest is the - verification of results> from the known horoscopes. Apart from quoting the sloka, and pointing> to the possibility of a natural benefic giving inauspicious results, I> don't had any other intention. But now I feel that we can make it a> point of research, so that it can be confirmed or negated based on known> charts with the same combination.> Note: Those who provide the charts with Jupiter in 12th, please ensure> that the dasa of Jupiter already happened that too after marriage in> those horoscopes.> Love and regards,> Sreenadh

Sreenadh

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