Jupiter in 12th house may make a woman a widow

January 31, 2008

Dear Friends,

Quoted above is absolute nonsense. Jupiter in the 12th is

benevolnent for the 8th house of Mangalyam because of Jupiter's

beneficial full aspect on the 9th house. 12th house Jupiter is a

kind of antidote even for dire malefics in the 8th house. So there

is no question of 12th house Jupiter causing widowhood.

chandra hari

, Kiran R

<kiran.rama wrote:

>

> Dear Sreenadhji,

>

> " Jupiter in 12th house may make a woman a widow " - This does not

hold good if Jupiter is in own house or exalted - and even if in

12th house, it can cause widowhood only in its dasa.

>

> That is the problem today with mechanical interpretation of

slokas - The exceptions are usually in a sloka at the end of 2

succeeding chapters !!!

>

> Regards

> Kiran

>

> Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: Dear

Arjun ji,

> ==>

> > if a native has an exalted benefic planet

> > in su or swasthana with no negative affliction and his mahadasa

is

> > running, the native shall get good results but if sadesathi is

> > running, the native does not enjoy the good results and rather

> > witness some negative results.

> <==

> True.

> ==>

> > regarding the mangal dosha, the mail i wrote was only for

theoretical

> > knowledge of the members as to how the hype was made out of it.

> <==

> I agree with you. But still would say that definitely badly

placed Malefics will give inauspicious results for sure. Why

malefics alone, even natural benefics can give many inauspicious

results. For example -

> Ande gurur hi Vidhavam, dinakrit daridram

> Chandro dhana vyayakara kuladam cha rahuH

> (Sthri Jatakam)

> Meaning, if Jupiter is in 12th house the woman may become a

widow; if Sun is in 12th house the woman may become penniless; if

Moon in 12th there could be much expence; if Rahu in 12th house the

women may cause bad name for her family.

> Note that all these results manifest ONLY IF the dasa also

matches. If Jupiter in 7th in Capricorn for Cancer lagna, the same

can cause death of wife/husband in its dasa. If Jupiter or Venus is

in 8th from lagna for an women the chances for abortion is high. So

in matching what should be considered - the position of the malefics

(like Mars) alone or the specific results indicated by the various

(benefic and malefic) planets? This is the point one should

meditate upon if they are approaching astrology sincerely and

systematically. I agree with you to a great extend - and feel that

from two different perspectives, you and Sunil ji are presenting one

and the same point.

> Love and regards,

> Sreenadh

>

> , " panditarjun2004 "

<panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> >

> > dear kiranji

> >

> > astrology in olden days even with all these 1001 principles and

> > exceptions used to be a simple job for the traditionally learnt

> > people but with the computer revolution making a hundred page

> > comprehensive astro analysis at the click of a button and each

page

> > giving an ambivalent view, the native gets confused with the

> > conflicting reports from each section. the astrologer has to

spend

> > lot of time in seeing, checking, overseeing all areas and then

come

> > to a cohesive conclusion. if a native has an exalted benefic

planet

> > in su or swasthana with no negative affliction and his mahadasa

is

> > running, the native shall get good results but if sadesathi is

> > running, the native does not enjoy the good results and rather

> > witness some negative results.

> >

> > once i could not find any reason for the various sufferings of

the

> > native and then i asked him to check whether his brother has

mars in

> > the 8th house and then he confirmed it. so sometimes even just

> > checking the individual chart is not sufficient as other charts

too

> > have vicarious impact.

> >

> > regarding the mangal dosha, the mail i wrote was only for

theoretical

> > knowledge of the members as to how the hype was made out of it.

> >

> > with best wishes and blessings

> > pandit arjun

> >

> > , Kiran R

> > kiran.rama@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Well said Panditji....

> > >

> > > samya will not work in all cases -

> > > Samya is usually done for 1, 2, 4, 7, 8, 12 houses for

marriage -

> > logic being 7th is spouse, 8th is sustenance of marriage, 4th is

> > sukha, 2nd is kutumba, 12th is pleasure and 1st is native himself

> > >

> > > Suppose X has 2nd lord in dustana and malefic in 2nd house -

he is

> > going to have problems in earned wealth - if he marries another

girl

> > with 2nd lord in dustana/malefic in 2nd house - both will

> > have " Daridrathana "

> > >

> > > I think it makes sense logically for a person who has a bad

2nd

> > house to look to marry someone with good 2nd house so that it

gets

> > cancelled - and same logic to all houses as well

> > >

> > > Regarding doshas, mere presence of malefic in 1,2,4,7,8,12

houses

> > does not cause papatwa - what if the house lord is in sustana?

There

> > can be benefic aspecting the house? the malefic planet dasa

maybe

> > over? the malefic maybe lord of two sustanas...etc

> > >

> > > So maybe a better idea to judge all the houses and come to

> > conclusion

> > >

> > > panditarjun2004 panditarjun2004@

> > wrote: dear friends

> > >

> > > this mangal dosha is purportedly caused by merely mars finding

a

> > > place in 1,2,4,7,8,12 houses (half of the houses) that too

seen

> > from

> > > lagna, moon and some say even from venus. some states in india

do

> > > not reckon 2nd house and similarly some astrologers dont see

mars

> > in

> > > these houses from chandra and sukra to brand a native manglik.

> > >

> > > there are more than a dozen rules where this so called mangli

yoga

> > > gets nullified through a mangli bhang yoga.

> > >

> > > no ancient classic has any yoga by this name and the genesis

of

> > this

> > > yoga lies in the individual narration of how mars gives

results

> > when

> > > placed in the houses 1,4,7,8,12. if any astrologer reads

> > carefully

> > > the entire probable dispositions of mars in these houses in

> > speicific

> > > relation to marriage, we find only 7,8,12 house placed mars

giving

> > > some problems and not the other houses especially the

vaidhavya

> > yoga.

> > >

> > > logically kiranji's observation is valid that two wrongs cant

make

> > a

> > > right. a completely blind man marrying a completely blind

woman

> > does

> > > not remove their blindness and let them see the world. on a

> > positive

> > > side, if the mars placement in a male chart suggests that the

man

> > is

> > > a womaniser, he would find good company in marrying a woman

with

> > > similar yoga in her chart as both are broadminded!

> > >

> > > in all matrimonial websites and advertisements mangliks

> > specifically

> > > search only for mangliks thinking that both are made for each

> > other

> > > or both are best compatible to each other.

> > >

> > > the much hyped verse " lagne vyayecha patale jamitrech ashtame

> > kuje,

> > > kanya bhartru vinashaya, bharta kanya vinashakrut " does not

allow

> > a

> > > manglik to marry another manglik as it is internecine for both.

> > >

> > > but two more verses appeared in modern astrology texts (not

> > ancient,

> > > not even medieval) that says as follows:

> > >

> > > kuja doshvatri deya kuja doshavate kila:

> > > nadista dosho na chanista dampatyo sukhavardhana.

> > >

> > > this verse says that if one manglik marries another manglik,

> > mangal

> > > does not do any evil and rather both enjoy love and happiness.

> > >

> > > bhauma tulyo yada bhauma, paapo va tadvasho bhavet

> > > udvaha subhada prokta chiraayu putra pautrada.

> > >

> > > this verse says that if a man's chart has a malefic mars and

if

> > the

> > > woman's chart has similar malefic mars or another malefic

planet

> > in

> > > equal proportion, marriage between both is auspicious.

> > >

> > > astrologers have been given so many choicest sholkas from

books to

> > > first fix a native manglik, check the dozens of mangli bhanga

> > yogas

> > > and then find another manglik and make the marriage between

both

> > > auspicious.

> > >

> > > with best wishes and blessings

> > > pandit arjun

> > > www.rudraksharemedy.com

> > >

> > > , " Sreenadh "

> > > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Kiran ji,

> > > > > I have observed that if both male and female horoscope has

> > same

> > > dosha

> > > > (e.g: Kuja dosha),

> > > > > then it gets cancelled.

> > > > I doubt that statement about your 'observation'; rather it

> > is a

> > > > logical 'belief'; Ask Sunil ji to clarify you will get a

better

> > > picture.

> > > > I am not debating whether the results gets 'cancelled' or

not -

> > > that the

> > > > people who experienced it having the same combination will

> > clarify.

> > > > What I am stresssing is that, it is a logical 'belief';

rather

> > than

> > > > something 'observed' by the people.

> > > > Hope this helps.

> > > > Love and regards,

> > > > Sreenadh

> > > >

> > > > , Kiran R

> > > > <kiran.rama@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Good post Sunilji,

> > > > >

> > > > > I have observed that if both male and female horoscope has

> > same

> > > dosha

> > > > (e.g: Kuja dosha), then it gets cancelled. This is a mystery

to

> > me

> > > as if

> > > > both have dosha both must suffer and have bad life. How does

> > dosha

> > > get

> > > > cancelled if it is present in both?

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks

> > > > > Kiran

> > > > >

> > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > hare rama krishna ,

> > > > > dear grp and memebrs .

> > > > > This is my post long back published in another grp and now

> > again

> > > many

> > > > requests happening in personal and grp mails i thought of re

> > > posting it

> > > > .

> > > > > actualy sreenadhji was discussing abt it some days back

and i

> > > promised

> > > > him i will write and then do any modifications required;

> > > > > so here is my post

> > > > > ==============

> > > > > In kerala and what i know generaly in south india we start

by

> > > > matchting the rasi in 10 ways like rasi,rasyaadhipa(they use

> > > differnet

> > > > than normal frndship concept),vasyam,ganam(nature like

> > > > godly,demonly),yoni(male /female),dinam,mahendra,stree

> > > > dergham(dooram),rejju and vedham these are 10 and giving

each

> > one

> > > mark

> > > > and see if there is more marks and still rejju (ayurvedic -

vata

> > > > ,pitta,kapha-i think)and vedha a must

> > > > > or u can use ashta koota methods prevalent in north .

> > > > > Then we go for papa samya

> > > > > lagana(body),2nd(family and speech),4th house (family

> > happiness

> > > and

> > > > sukha stan),7th house (house of marriage ) ,8th house

(deergha

> > > mangala

> > > > stan and maraka place and house of money of partner) and 12

th

> > > house is

> > > > sayana sukha stan and house of expenditure------so there is

6

> > places

> > > > > we see any malifics are there in above said places from

> > > > LAGANA,MOON(MIND) AND VENUS (INDICATOR OF MARRIAGE LIFE),

> > > > > some people will giv equal weightage to lagna and moon (as

> > > considered

> > > > 2nd lagan) venus less weightage as some r of the opinion

that the

> > > > papatwa to venus cannot be remedied as a man with loose

morals

> > and

> > > girl

> > > > with equaly loose morals can not make good couples, they see

4th

> > > and 8th

> > > > matching only,Only see if too much points venus is gaining

esp

> > in

> > > the

> > > > case of girl,it may boost immoral tendencies or deny normal

> > family

> > > > happyness by giving separation or even illness--it depends

on the

> > > > horoscope,

> > > > > papatwa is considered in decressing order

8/7/4/12/2/1.Most

> > > malefic is

> > > > mars(planet of aggression and sudden actions),then sani,then

> > > sun,rahu

> > > > finaly ketu,

> > > > > also giv some marks like mars-4/sani-3/sun-2/rah and ketu-

1

> > also

> > > in

> > > > lagana-5/2nd house2/4th house-3,7th house-4/8th house-6/12th

> > house 1

> > > > > Again this we hav to see exceptions ,own house

> > debilataion ,means

> > > good

> > > > strenght can decrees the value and planet neecha or moudya

> > (combust )

> > > > will get 100% value.Only aspect of benefics can reduce the

> > effects

> > > and

> > > > malifics will surely increase the effects.

> > > > > Main consideration while analysing----

> > > > > 1) Papa grahas should b some what equal position or

countering

> > > > position

> > > > > 2)If malefic is benefic from bhava concerned can giv

reduction

> > > > > 3)if malefic is yoga karak again papatwa will be reduced

> > > > > 4)see major dasa of papas has passed and see their sub

period

> > and

> > > do

> > > > the assessments

> > > > > 5)If lady having widowhood in horoscope match with a

person

> > who

> > > has

> > > > two marriage or wife marana yaga( death of wife )

> > > > > 6)Main considerations shud b given to 7th and 8th position

of

> > > malefics

> > > > > 7)Then in mans horo papa( malefics ) should b in 7th house

> > > > > 8)Even if in female horoscope papas( malefics) r in 7th

and

> > > 8th,if a

> > > > strong benefic in 9th then it s solved automaticaly .

> > > > > AS---- navame shubha samyukte sapape aste ashtamepi va

> > > > > pathi putra yuta nari modate natra samsaya

> > > > > 9)see if papa graha dasas coming immediatly after marriage.

> > > > > 10)dasa santhi nirnayam

> > > > > see in both horoscopes same period dasa ends within 6

months

> > to

> > > one

> > > > years ends .See next dasa is maraka, or papa or weak then

those

> > > > horoscopes shud not b matched

> > > > > same period dasa of enemy of lagna lord is happening and

see

> > its

> > > > promise in the horoscope.

> > > > > same period dasa of mutualy enemys like sun in and sani in

> > > another or

> > > > rahu in one guru or venus and guru

> > > > > see the period of marakas in each horoscope and should not

run

> > > > together at one time

> > > > > Also ones maraka dasa and anothers weak dasa of 7th lord or

> > > > karaka,like papayuta,papakartari,neecha etc should not

happen at

> > > same

> > > > time.

> > > > > if malefics r in 8th house which can cause vaidhavya

> > > (widowhood),see

> > > > the 8th lord and see in whose house he attained in navamsa -

in

> > his

> > > > naisargika dasa can giv the effects.like moon within a

year,mars

> > > within

> > > > two year sun 50years ,guru-18th years after marriage

> > > > > or it can giv in dasa of malefics in 8th house

> > > > > then santana chinta (progency) and prosperity and yoga

chinta -

> > > like

> > > > this all kinds of stuff frm two horoscopes,longitivity

should b

> > > > calculated firstly before matchting

> > > > > then i hav see an elaborate prashna whether there is

> > > daivaanukulyam

> > > > (wish of god ) for this union and see all kinds of nimittas

and

> > > omens

> > > > > Now a days nimittas can happen only in villages and in

towns

> > its

> > > at

> > > > the discreation of astrologer to add or deduct according to

his

> > > > experience and reasoning power .

> > > > > all good omens like bringings of perfumes,sandal and

> > > kumkum,somebody

> > > > is bringing mangal sutra,gold or new dress,married ladies or

> > couples

> > > > coming,seeing of astamangala materials,some come

singing,mangala

> > > dwani

> > > > like sankh(conch),bells ringing,cows

> > coming,elephant,royals,horses

> > > all

> > > > are considerd good.

> > > > > some nimittas are bad which needs special attention

> > > > > seeing somebody puts his finger in some hole or in

> > nose /seeing

> > > some

> > > > animals/birds mating --suddenly jyothishi can say not

> > reccommended

> > > for

> > > > matching.(actualy i find all this depends on upasana balam (

> > > spiritual

> > > > power ) of jyothishi)

> > > > >

> > > > > I hope it can giv some what clear idea abt matching and

see

> > its

> > > not a

> > > > Soft ware job .It needs a good calibre jyothishi and who

learned

> > a

> > > good

> > > > amnt of astro principles .

> > > > >

> > > > > regrds sunil nair

> > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

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January 31, 2008

Dear Chandrahari ji,

I apprecioate your view. But note that Jupiter is the lord of 9th

house in the natural horoscope. 9th house is considered as the house of

luck, and as a house providing good husband and children especially for

women. Being significator of male some even consider Jupiter as the

natural significator of husband - even though this argument is not wide

spread. So the point I would suggest is the - verification of results

from the known horoscopes. Apart from quoting the sloka, and pointing to

the possibility of a natural benefic giving inauspicious results, I don't had

any other intention. But now I feel that we can make it a point of research, so

that it can be confirmed or negated based on known charts with the same combination.

Note: Those who provide the charts with Jupiter in 12th, please ensure

that the dasa of Jupiter already happened that too after marriage in those

horoscopes.

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

, "chandra_hari18" <chandra_hari18 wrote:>> Dear Friends, > > Quoted above is absolute nonsense. Jupiter in the 12th is > benevolnent for the 8th house of Mangalyam because of Jupiter's > beneficial full aspect on the 9th house. 12th house Jupiter is a > kind of antidote even for dire malefics in the 8th house. So there > is no question of 12th house Jupiter causing widowhood. > > chandra hari> > > , Kiran R > kiran.rama@ wrote:> >> > Dear Sreenadhji,> > > > "Jupiter in 12th house may make a woman a widow" - This does not > hold good if Jupiter is in own house or exalted - and even if in > 12th house, it can cause widowhood only in its dasa.> > > > That is the problem today with mechanical interpretation of > slokas - The exceptions are usually in a sloka at the end of 2 > succeeding chapters !!!> > > > Regards> > Kiran> > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote: Dear > Arjun ji,> > ==>> > > if a native has an exalted benefic planet > > > in su or swasthana with no negative affliction and his mahadasa > is > > > running, the native shall get good results but if sadesathi is > > > running, the native does not enjoy the good results and rather > > > witness some negative results.> > <==> > True. > > ==>> > > regarding the mangal dosha, the mail i wrote was only for > theoretical > > > knowledge of the members as to how the hype was made out of it.> > <==> > I agree with you. But still would say that definitely badly > placed Malefics will give inauspicious results for sure. Why > malefics alone, even natural benefics can give many inauspicious > results. For example -> > Ande gurur hi Vidhavam, dinakrit daridram> > Chandro dhana vyayakara kuladam cha rahuH> > (Sthri Jatakam)> > Meaning, if Jupiter is in 12th house the woman may become a > widow; if Sun is in 12th house the woman may become penniless; if > Moon in 12th there could be much expence; if Rahu in 12th house the > women may cause bad name for her family. > > Note that all these results manifest ONLY IF the dasa also > matches. If Jupiter in 7th in Capricorn for Cancer lagna, the same > can cause death of wife/husband in its dasa. If Jupiter or Venus is > in 8th from lagna for an women the chances for abortion is high. So > in matching what should be considered - the position of the malefics > (like Mars) alone or the specific results indicated by the various > (benefic and malefic) planets? This is the point one should > meditate upon if they are approaching astrology sincerely and > systematically. I agree with you to a great extend - and feel that > from two different perspectives, you and Sunil ji are presenting one > and the same point. > > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> > > > , "panditarjun2004" > <panditarjun2004@> wrote:> > >> > > dear kiranji> > > > > > astrology in olden days even with all these 1001 principles and > > > exceptions used to be a simple job for the traditionally learnt > > > people but with the computer revolution making a hundred page > > > comprehensive astro analysis at the click of a button and each > page > > > giving an ambivalent view, the native gets confused with the > > > conflicting reports from each section. the astrologer has to > spend > > > lot of time in seeing, checking, overseeing all areas and then > come > > > to a cohesive conclusion. if a native has an exalted benefic > planet > > > in su or swasthana with no negative affliction and his mahadasa > is > > > running, the native shall get good results but if sadesathi is > > > running, the native does not enjoy the good results and rather > > > witness some negative results.> > > > > > once i could not find any reason for the various sufferings of > the > > > native and then i asked him to check whether his brother has > mars in > > > the 8th house and then he confirmed it. so sometimes even just > > > checking the individual chart is not sufficient as other charts > too > > > have vicarious impact.> > > > > > regarding the mangal dosha, the mail i wrote was only for > theoretical > > > knowledge of the members as to how the hype was made out of it.> > > > > > with best wishes and blessings> > > pandit arjun> > > > > > , Kiran R > > > kiran.rama@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Well said Panditji....> > > > > > > > samya will not work in all cases -> > > > Samya is usually done for 1, 2, 4, 7, 8, 12 houses for > marriage - > > > logic being 7th is spouse, 8th is sustenance of marriage, 4th is > > > sukha, 2nd is kutumba, 12th is pleasure and 1st is native himself> > > > > > > > Suppose X has 2nd lord in dustana and malefic in 2nd house - > he is > > > going to have problems in earned wealth - if he marries another > girl > > > with 2nd lord in dustana/malefic in 2nd house - both will > > > have "Daridrathana"> > > > > > > > > > > > I think it makes sense logically for a person who has a bad > 2nd > > > house to look to marry someone with good 2nd house so that it > gets > > > cancelled - and same logic to all houses as well> > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding doshas, mere presence of malefic in 1,2,4,7,8,12 > houses > > > does not cause papatwa - what if the house lord is in sustana? > There > > > can be benefic aspecting the house? the malefic planet dasa > maybe > > > over? the malefic maybe lord of two sustanas...etc> > > > > > > > So maybe a better idea to judge all the houses and come to > > > conclusion> > > > > > > > panditarjun2004 panditarjun2004@ > > > wrote: dear friends> > > > > > > > this mangal dosha is purportedly caused by merely mars finding > a > > > > place in 1,2,4,7,8,12 houses (half of the houses) that too > seen > > > from > > > > lagna, moon and some say even from venus. some states in india > do > > > > not reckon 2nd house and similarly some astrologers dont see > mars > > > in > > > > these houses from chandra and sukra to brand a native manglik.> > > > > > > > there are more than a dozen rules where this so called mangli > yoga > > > > gets nullified through a mangli bhang yoga.> > > > > > > > no ancient classic has any yoga by this name and the genesis > of > > > this > > > > yoga lies in the individual narration of how mars gives > results > > > when > > > > placed in the houses 1,4,7,8,12. if any astrologer reads > > > carefully > > > > the entire probable dispositions of mars in these houses in > > > speicific > > > > relation to marriage, we find only 7,8,12 house placed mars > giving > > > > some problems and not the other houses especially the > vaidhavya > > > yoga.> > > > > > > > logically kiranji's observation is valid that two wrongs cant > make > > > a > > > > right. a completely blind man marrying a completely blind > woman > > > does > > > > not remove their blindness and let them see the world. on a > > > positive > > > > side, if the mars placement in a male chart suggests that the > man > > > is > > > > a womaniser, he would find good company in marrying a woman > with > > > > similar yoga in her chart as both are broadminded!> > > > > > > > in all matrimonial websites and advertisements mangliks > > > specifically > > > > search only for mangliks thinking that both are made for each > > > other > > > > or both are best compatible to each other.> > > > > > > > the much hyped verse "lagne vyayecha patale jamitrech ashtame > > > kuje, > > > > kanya bhartru vinashaya, bharta kanya vinashakrut" does not > allow > > > a > > > > manglik to marry another manglik as it is internecine for both.> > > > > > > > but two more verses appeared in modern astrology texts (not > > > ancient, > > > > not even medieval) that says as follows:> > > > > > > > kuja doshvatri deya kuja doshavate kila:> > > > nadista dosho na chanista dampatyo sukhavardhana.> > > > > > > > this verse says that if one manglik marries another manglik, > > > mangal > > > > does not do any evil and rather both enjoy love and happiness.> > > > > > > > bhauma tulyo yada bhauma, paapo va tadvasho bhavet> > > > udvaha subhada prokta chiraayu putra pautrada.> > > > > > > > this verse says that if a man's chart has a malefic mars and > if > > > the > > > > woman's chart has similar malefic mars or another malefic > planet > > > in > > > > equal proportion, marriage between both is auspicious.> > > > > > > > astrologers have been given so many choicest sholkas from > books to > > > > first fix a native manglik, check the dozens of mangli bhanga > > > yogas > > > > and then find another manglik and make the marriage between > both > > > > auspicious.> > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings> > > > pandit arjun> > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com> > > > > > > > , "Sreenadh" > > > > <sreesog@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Kiran ji,> > > > > > I have observed that if both male and female horoscope has > > > same > > > > dosha> > > > > (e.g: Kuja dosha),> > > > > > then it gets cancelled.> > > > > I doubt that statement about your 'observation'; rather it > > > is a> > > > > logical 'belief'; Ask Sunil ji to clarify you will get a > better > > > > picture.> > > > > I am not debating whether the results gets 'cancelled' or > not - > > > > that the> > > > > people who experienced it having the same combination will > > > clarify. > > > > > What I am stresssing is that, it is a logical 'belief'; > rather > > > than> > > > > something 'observed' by the people.> > > > > Hope this helps.> > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > > > , Kiran R> > > > > <kiran.rama@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Good post Sunilji,> > > > > >> > > > > > I have observed that if both male and female horoscope has > > > same > > > > dosha> > > > > (e.g: Kuja dosha), then it gets cancelled. This is a mystery > to > > > me > > > > as if> > > > > both have dosha both must suffer and have bad life. How does > > > dosha > > > > get> > > > > cancelled if it is present in both?> > > > > >> > > > > > Thanks> > > > > > Kiran> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > hare rama krishna ,> > > > > > dear grp and memebrs .> > > > > > This is my post long back published in another grp and now > > > again > > > > many> > > > > requests happening in personal and grp mails i thought of re > > > > posting it> > > > > .> > > > > > actualy sreenadhji was discussing abt it some days back > and i > > > > promised> > > > > him i will write and then do any modifications required;> > > > > > so here is my post> > > > > > ==============> > > > > > In kerala and what i know generaly in south india we start > by> > > > > matchting the rasi in 10 ways like rasi,rasyaadhipa(they use > > > > differnet> > > > > than normal frndship concept),vasyam,ganam(nature like> > > > > godly,demonly),yoni(male /female),dinam,mahendra,stree> > > > > dergham(dooram),rejju and vedham these are 10 and giving > each > > > one > > > > mark> > > > > and see if there is more marks and still rejju (ayurvedic -> vata> > > > > ,pitta,kapha-i think)and vedha a must> > > > > > or u can use ashta koota methods prevalent in north .> > > > > > Then we go for papa samya> > > > > > lagana(body),2nd(family and speech),4th house (family > > > happiness > > > > and> > > > > sukha stan),7th house (house of marriage ) ,8th house > (deergha > > > > mangala> > > > > stan and maraka place and house of money of partner) and 12 > th > > > > house is> > > > > sayana sukha stan and house of expenditure------so there is > 6 > > > places> > > > > > we see any malifics are there in above said places from> > > > > LAGANA,MOON(MIND) AND VENUS (INDICATOR OF MARRIAGE LIFE),> > > > > > some people will giv equal weightage to lagna and moon (as > > > > considered> > > > > 2nd lagan) venus less weightage as some r of the opinion > that the> > > > > papatwa to venus cannot be remedied as a man with loose > morals > > > and > > > > girl> > > > > with equaly loose morals can not make good couples, they see > 4th > > > > and 8th> > > > > matching only,Only see if too much points venus is gaining > esp > > > in > > > > the> > > > > case of girl,it may boost immoral tendencies or deny normal > > > family> > > > > happyness by giving separation or even illness--it depends > on the> > > > > horoscope,> > > > > > papatwa is considered in decressing order > 8/7/4/12/2/1.Most > > > > malefic is> > > > > mars(planet of aggression and sudden actions),then sani,then > > > > sun,rahu> > > > > finaly ketu,> > > > > > also giv some marks like mars-4/sani-3/sun-2/rah and ketu-> 1 > > > also > > > > in> > > > > lagana-5/2nd house2/4th house-3,7th house-4/8th house-6/12th > > > house 1> > > > > > Again this we hav to see exceptions ,own house > > > debilataion ,means > > > > good> > > > > strenght can decrees the value and planet neecha or moudya> > > (combust )> > > > > will get 100% value.Only aspect of benefics can reduce the > > > effects > > > > and> > > > > malifics will surely increase the effects.> > > > > > Main consideration while analysing----> > > > > > 1) Papa grahas should b some what equal position or > countering> > > > > position> > > > > > 2)If malefic is benefic from bhava concerned can giv > reduction> > > > > > 3)if malefic is yoga karak again papatwa will be reduced> > > > > > 4)see major dasa of papas has passed and see their sub > period > > > and > > > > do> > > > > the assessments> > > > > > 5)If lady having widowhood in horoscope match with a > person > > > who > > > > has> > > > > two marriage or wife marana yaga( death of wife )> > > > > > 6)Main considerations shud b given to 7th and 8th position > of > > > > malefics> > > > > > 7)Then in mans horo papa( malefics ) should b in 7th house> > > > > > 8)Even if in female horoscope papas( malefics) r in 7th > and > > > > 8th,if a> > > > > strong benefic in 9th then it s solved automaticaly .> > > > > > AS---- navame shubha samyukte sapape aste ashtamepi va> > > > > > pathi putra yuta nari modate natra samsaya> > > > > > 9)see if papa graha dasas coming immediatly after marriage.> > > > > > 10)dasa santhi nirnayam> > > > > > see in both horoscopes same period dasa ends within 6 > months > > > to > > > > one> > > > > years ends .See next dasa is maraka, or papa or weak then > those> > > > > horoscopes shud not b matched> > > > > > same period dasa of enemy of lagna lord is happening and > see > > > its> > > > > promise in the horoscope.> > > > > > same period dasa of mutualy enemys like sun in and sani in > > > > another or> > > > > rahu in one guru or venus and guru> > > > > > see the period of marakas in each horoscope and should not > run> > > > > together at one time> > > > > > Also ones maraka dasa and anothers weak dasa of 7th lord or> > > > > karaka,like papayuta,papakartari,neecha etc should not > happen at > > > > same> > > > > time.> > > > > > if malefics r in 8th house which can cause vaidhavya> > > > (widowhood),see> > > > > the 8th lord and see in whose house he attained in navamsa -> in > > > his> > > > > naisargika dasa can giv the effects.like moon within a > year,mars > > > > within> > > > > two year sun 50years ,guru-18th years after marriage> > > > > > or it can giv in dasa of malefics in 8th house> > > > > > then santana chinta (progency) and prosperity and yoga > chinta -> > > > like> > > > > this all kinds of stuff frm two horoscopes,longitivity > should b> > > > > calculated firstly before matchting> > > > > > then i hav see an elaborate prashna whether there is > > > > daivaanukulyam> > > > > (wish of god ) for this union and see all kinds of nimittas > and > > > > omens> > > > > > Now a days nimittas can happen only in villages and in > towns > > > its > > > > at> > > > > the discreation of astrologer to add or deduct according to > his> > > > > experience and reasoning power .> > > > > > all good omens like bringings of perfumes,sandal and > > > > kumkum,somebody> > > > > is bringing mangal sutra,gold or new dress,married ladies or > > > couples> > > > > coming,seeing of astamangala materials,some come > singing,mangala > > > > dwani> > > > > like sankh(conch),bells ringing,cows > > > coming,elephant,royals,horses > > > > all> > > > > are considerd good.> > > > > > some nimittas are bad which needs special attention> > > > > > seeing somebody puts his finger in some hole or in > > > nose /seeing > > > > some> > > > > animals/birds mating --suddenly jyothishi can say not > > > reccommended > > > > for> > > > > matching.(actualy i find all this depends on upasana balam ( > > > > spiritual> > > > > power ) of jyothishi)> > > > > >> > > > > > I hope it can giv some what clear idea abt matching and > see > > > its > > > > not a> > > > > Soft ware job .It needs a good calibre jyothishi and who > learned > > > a > > > > good> > > > > amnt of astro principles .> > > > > >> > > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Download prohibited? 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January 31, 2008

Hare ramakrishna,

dear sreenadh ji and chandrahari ji ,

I go by chadraharis logic as jup in 12th may b good for a woman ,as it can see 4th and 8th house and there by giv good married life and homely atmosphere and happiness .

But the same jup can make her spent money on showing off on spiritual and religious pursuits and finaly make them paupar also .So it may giv an effect of viadavya ( as husband may leav her or even commit suicide --because of her habbits ???)

esp this is applicable when there is dasa also happening after marriage .remebr jup proceeds rahu dasa and sani is next dasa so this jup in 12th is very important .

In case of males some astrologers in kerala has an opinion that they will spent all their earnings and can end up pauper and such horoscope they wont recommend for marriage unless jup is in own or exalted like this .Tho they may consider chart with ladies in 12th .if dasa is already passed .

So invite from charts from our memebr s and their known persons who has covered jupiter in 12th dasa and let us investigate together .

But i remebr bhavarta ratnakar ( i dont hav a copy ) says planets in 12th house can giv the effects of karaka and houses represented by them and such planet can show who is beneficial for the nativ .So if sun it may b government or father ,if moon it may be mother like this and also i think it may giv some good effects of the bhavas favrable ( this is to be checked along with individual charts ) .

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

, "Sreenadh" <sreesog wrote:>> > Dear Chandrahari ji,> I apprecioate your view. But note that Jupiter is the lord of 9th> house in the natural horoscope. 9th house is considered as the house of> luck, and as a house providing good husband and children especially for> women. Being significator of male some even consider Jupiter as the> natural significator of husband - even though this argument is not wide> spread. So the point I would suggest is the - verification of results> from the known horoscopes. Apart from quoting the sloka, and pointing> to the possibility of a natural benefic giving inauspicious results, I> don't had any other intention. But now I feel that we can make it a> point of research, so that it can be confirmed or negated based on known> charts with the same combination.> Note: Those who provide the charts with Jupiter in 12th, please ensure> that the dasa of Jupiter already happened that too after marriage in> those horoscopes.> Love and regards,> Sreenadh> , "chandra_hari18"> chandra_hari18@ wrote:> >> > Dear Friends,> >> > Quoted above is absolute nonsense. Jupiter in the 12th is> > benevolnent for the 8th house of Mangalyam because of Jupiter's> > beneficial full aspect on the 9th house. 12th house Jupiter is a> > kind of antidote even for dire malefics in the 8th house. So there> > is no question of 12th house Jupiter causing widowhood.> >> > chandra hari> >> >> > , Kiran R> > kiran.rama@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sreenadhji,> > >> > > "Jupiter in 12th house may make a woman a widow" - This does not> > hold good if Jupiter is in own house or exalted - and even if in> > 12th house, it can cause widowhood only in its dasa.> > >> > > That is the problem today with mechanical interpretation of> > slokas - The exceptions are usually in a sloka at the end of 2> > succeeding chapters !!!> > >> > > Regards> > > Kiran> > >> > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote: Dear> > Arjun ji,> > > ==>> > > > if a native has an exalted benefic planet> > > > in su or swasthana with no negative affliction and his mahadasa> > is> > > > running, the native shall get good results but if sadesathi is> > > > running, the native does not enjoy the good results and rather> > > > witness some negative results.> > > <==> > > True. > > > ==>> > > > regarding the mangal dosha, the mail i wrote was only for> > theoretical> > > > knowledge of the members as to how the hype was made out of it.> > > <==> > > I agree with you. But still would say that definitely badly> > placed Malefics will give inauspicious results for sure. Why> > malefics alone, even natural benefics can give many inauspicious> > results. For example -> > > Ande gurur hi Vidhavam, dinakrit daridram> > > Chandro dhana vyayakara kuladam cha rahuH> > > (Sthri Jatakam)> > > Meaning, if Jupiter is in 12th house the woman may become a> > widow; if Sun is in 12th house the woman may become penniless; if> > Moon in 12th there could be much expence; if Rahu in 12th house the> > women may cause bad name for her family.> > > Note that all these results manifest ONLY IF the dasa also> > matches. If Jupiter in 7th in Capricorn for Cancer lagna, the same> > can cause death of wife/husband in its dasa. If Jupiter or Venus is> > in 8th from lagna for an women the chances for abortion is high. So> > in matching what should be considered - the position of the malefics> > (like Mars) alone or the specific results indicated by the various> > (benefic and malefic) planets? This is the point one should> > meditate upon if they are approaching astrology sincerely and> > systematically. I agree with you to a great extend - and feel that> > from two different perspectives, you and Sunil ji are presenting one> > and the same point.> > > Love and regards,> > > Sreenadh> > >> > > , "panditarjun2004"> > <panditarjun2004@> wrote:> > > >> > > > dear kiranji> > > >> > > > astrology in olden days even with all these 1001 principles and> > > > exceptions used to be a simple job for the traditionally learnt> > > > people but with the computer revolution making a hundred page> > > > comprehensive astro analysis at the click of a button and each> > page> > > > giving an ambivalent view, the native gets confused with the> > > > conflicting reports from each section. the astrologer has to> > spend> > > > lot of time in seeing, checking, overseeing all areas and then> > come> > > > to a cohesive conclusion. if a native has an exalted benefic> > planet> > > > in su or swasthana with no negative affliction and his mahadasa> > is> > > > running, the native shall get good results but if sadesathi is> > > > running, the native does not enjoy the good results and rather> > > > witness some negative results.> > > >> > > > once i could not find any reason for the various sufferings of> > the> > > > native and then i asked him to check whether his brother has> > mars in> > > > the 8th house and then he confirmed it. so sometimes even just> > > > checking the individual chart is not sufficient as other charts> > too> > > > have vicarious impact.> > > >> > > > regarding the mangal dosha, the mail i wrote was only for> > theoretical> > > > knowledge of the members as to how the hype was made out of it.> > > >> > > > with best wishes and blessings> > > > pandit arjun> > > >> > > > , Kiran R> > > > kiran.rama@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Well said Panditji....> > > > >> > > > > samya will not work in all cases -> > > > > Samya is usually done for 1, 2, 4, 7, 8, 12 houses for> > marriage -> > > > logic being 7th is spouse, 8th is sustenance of marriage, 4th is> > > > sukha, 2nd is kutumba, 12th is pleasure and 1st is native himself> > > > >> > > > > Suppose X has 2nd lord in dustana and malefic in 2nd house -> > he is> > > > going to have problems in earned wealth - if he marries another> > girl> > > > with 2nd lord in dustana/malefic in 2nd house - both will> > > > have "Daridrathana"> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > I think it makes sense logically for a person who has a bad> > 2nd> > > > house to look to marry someone with good 2nd house so that it> > gets> > > > cancelled - and same logic to all houses as well> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Regarding doshas, mere presence of malefic in 1,2,4,7,8,12> > houses> > > > does not cause papatwa - what if the house lord is in sustana?> > There> > > > can be benefic aspecting the house? the malefic planet dasa> > maybe> > > > over? the malefic maybe lord of two sustanas...etc> > > > >> > > > > So maybe a better idea to judge all the houses and come to> > > > conclusion> > > > >> > > > > panditarjun2004 panditarjun2004@> > > > wrote: dear friends> > > > >> > > > > this mangal dosha is purportedly caused by merely mars finding> > a> > > > > place in 1,2,4,7,8,12 houses (half of the houses) that too> > seen> > > > from> > > > > lagna, moon and some say even from venus. some states in india> > do> > > > > not reckon 2nd house and similarly some astrologers dont see> > mars> > > > in> > > > > these houses from chandra and sukra to brand a native manglik.> > > > >> > > > > there are more than a dozen rules where this so called mangli> > yoga> > > > > gets nullified through a mangli bhang yoga.> > > > >> > > > > no ancient classic has any yoga by this name and the genesis> > of> > > > this> > > > > yoga lies in the individual narration of how mars gives> > results> > > > when> > > > > placed in the houses 1,4,7,8,12. if any astrologer reads> > > > carefully> > > > > the entire probable dispositions of mars in these houses in> > > > speicific> > > > > relation to marriage, we find only 7,8,12 house placed mars> > giving> > > > > some problems and not the other houses especially the> > vaidhavya> > > > yoga.> > > > >> > > > > logically kiranji's observation is valid that two wrongs cant> > make> > > > a> > > > > right. a completely blind man marrying a completely blind> > woman> > > > does> > > > > not remove their blindness and let them see the world. on a> > > > positive> > > > > side, if the mars placement in a male chart suggests that the> > man> > > > is> > > > > a womaniser, he would find good company in marrying a woman> > with> > > > > similar yoga in her chart as both are broadminded!> > > > >> > > > > in all matrimonial websites and advertisements mangliks> > > > specifically> > > > > search only for mangliks thinking that both are made for each> > > > other> > > > > or both are best compatible to each other.> > > > >> > > > > the much hyped verse "lagne vyayecha patale jamitrech ashtame> > > > kuje,> > > > > kanya bhartru vinashaya, bharta kanya vinashakrut" does not> > allow> > > > a> > > > > manglik to marry another manglik as it is internecine for both.> > > > >> > > > > but two more verses appeared in modern astrology texts (not> > > > ancient,> > > > > not even medieval) that says as follows:> > > > >> > > > > kuja doshvatri deya kuja doshavate kila:> > > > > nadista dosho na chanista dampatyo sukhavardhana.> > > > >> > > > > this verse says that if one manglik marries another manglik,> > > > mangal> > > > > does not do any evil and rather both enjoy love and happiness.> > > > >> > > > > bhauma tulyo yada bhauma, paapo va tadvasho bhavet> > > > > udvaha subhada prokta chiraayu putra pautrada.> > > > >> > > > > this verse says that if a man's chart has a malefic mars and> > if> > > > the> > > > > woman's chart has similar malefic mars or another malefic> > planet> > > > in> > > > > equal proportion, marriage between both is auspicious.> > > > >> > > > > astrologers have been given so many choicest sholkas from> > books to> > > > > first fix a native manglik, check the dozens of mangli bhanga> > > > yogas> > > > > and then find another manglik and make the marriage between> > both> > > > > auspicious.> > > > >> > > > > with best wishes and blessings> > > > > pandit arjun> > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com> > > > >> > > > > , "Sreenadh"> > > > > <sreesog@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Kiran ji,> > > > > > > I have observed that if both male and female horoscope has> > > > same> > > > > dosha> > > > > > (e.g: Kuja dosha),> > > > > > > then it gets cancelled.> > > > > > I doubt that statement about your 'observation'; rather it> > > > is a> > > > > > logical 'belief'; Ask Sunil ji to clarify you will get a> > better> > > > > picture.> > > > > > I am not debating whether the results gets 'cancelled' or> > not -> > > > > that the> > > > > > people who experienced it having the same combination will> > > > clarify.> > > > > > What I am stresssing is that, it is a logical 'belief';> > rather> > > > than> > > > > > something 'observed' by the people.> > > > > > Hope this helps.> > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > >> > > > > > , Kiran R> > > > > > <kiran.rama@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Good post Sunilji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I have observed that if both male and female horoscope has> > > > same> > > > > dosha> > > > > > (e.g: Kuja dosha), then it gets cancelled. This is a mystery> > to> > > > me> > > > > as if> > > > > > both have dosha both must suffer and have bad life. How does> > > > dosha> > > > > get> > > > > > cancelled if it is present in both?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Thanks> > > > > > > Kiran> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > hare rama krishna ,> > > > > > > dear grp and memebrs .> > > > > > > This is my post long back published in another grp and now> > > > again> > > > > many> > > > > > requests happening in personal and grp mails i thought of re> > > > > posting it> > > > > > .> > > > > > > actualy sreenadhji was discussing abt it some days back> > and i> > > > > promised> > > > > > him i will write and then do any modifications required;> > > > > > > so here is my post> > > > > > > ==============> > > > > > > In kerala and what i know generaly in south india we start> > by> > > > > > matchting the rasi in 10 ways like rasi,rasyaadhipa(they use> > > > > differnet> > > > > > than normal frndship concept),vasyam,ganam(nature like> > > > > > godly,demonly),yoni(male /female),dinam,mahendra,stree> > > > > > dergham(dooram),rejju and vedham these are 10 and giving> > each> > > > one> > > > > mark> > > > > > and see if there is more marks and still rejju (ayurvedic -> > vata> > > > > > ,pitta,kapha-i think)and vedha a must> > > > > > > or u can use ashta koota methods prevalent in north .> > > > > > > Then we go for papa samya> > > > > > > lagana(body),2nd(family and speech),4th house (family> > > > happiness> > > > > and> > > > > > sukha stan),7th house (house of marriage ) ,8th house> > (deergha> > > > > mangala> > > > > > stan and maraka place and house of money of partner) and 12> > th> > > > > house is> > > > > > sayana sukha stan and house of expenditure------so there is> > 6> > > > places> > > > > > > we see any malifics are there in above said places from> > > > > > LAGANA,MOON(MIND) AND VENUS (INDICATOR OF MARRIAGE LIFE),> > > > > > > some people will giv equal weightage to lagna and moon (as> > > > > considered> > > > > > 2nd lagan) venus less weightage as some r of the opinion> > that the> > > > > > papatwa to venus cannot be remedied as a man with loose> > morals> > > > and> > > > > girl> > > > > > with equaly loose morals can not make good couples, they see> > 4th> > > > > and 8th> > > > > > matching only,Only see if too much points venus is gaining> > esp> > > > in> > > > > the> > > > > > case of girl,it may boost immoral tendencies or deny normal> > > > family> > > > > > happyness by giving separation or even illness--it depends> > on the> > > > > > horoscope,> > > > > > > papatwa is considered in decressing order> > 8/7/4/12/2/1.Most> > > > > malefic is> > > > > > mars(planet of aggression and sudden actions),then sani,then> > > > > sun,rahu> > > > > > finaly ketu,> > > > > > > also giv some marks like mars-4/sani-3/sun-2/rah and ketu-> > 1> > > > also> > > > > in> > > > > > lagana-5/2nd house2/4th house-3,7th house-4/8th house-6/12th> > > > house 1> > > > > > > Again this we hav to see exceptions ,own house> > > > debilataion ,means> > > > > good> > > > > > strenght can decrees the value and planet neecha or moudya> > > > (combust )> > > > > > will get 100% value.Only aspect of benefics can reduce the> > > > effects> > > > > and> > > > > > malifics will surely increase the effects.> > > > > > > Main consideration while analysing----> > > > > > > 1) Papa grahas should b some what equal position or> > countering> > > > > > position> > > > > > > 2)If malefic is benefic from bhava concerned can giv> > reduction> > > > > > > 3)if malefic is yoga karak again papatwa will be reduced> > > > > > > 4)see major dasa of papas has passed and see their sub> > period> > > > and> > > > > do> > > > > > the assessments> > > > > > > 5)If lady having widowhood in horoscope match with a> > person> > > > who> > > > > has> > > > > > two marriage or wife marana yaga( death of wife )> > > > > > > 6)Main considerations shud b given to 7th and 8th position> > of> > > > > malefics> > > > > > > 7)Then in mans horo papa( malefics ) should b in 7th house> > > > > > > 8)Even if in female horoscope papas( malefics) r in 7th> > and> > > > > 8th,if a> > > > > > strong benefic in 9th then it s solved automaticaly .> > > > > > > AS---- navame shubha samyukte sapape aste ashtamepi va> > > > > > > pathi putra yuta nari modate natra samsaya> > > > > > > 9)see if papa graha dasas coming immediatly after marriage.> > > > > > > 10)dasa santhi nirnayam> > > > > > > see in both horoscopes same period dasa ends within 6> > months> > > > to> > > > > one> > > > > > years ends .See next dasa is maraka, or papa or weak then> > those> > > > > > horoscopes shud not b matched> > > > > > > same period dasa of enemy of lagna lord is happening and> > see> > > > its> > > > > > promise in the horoscope.> > > > > > > same period dasa of mutualy enemys like sun in and sani in> > > > > another or> > > > > > rahu in one guru or venus and guru> > > > > > > see the period of marakas in each horoscope and should not> > run> > > > > > together at one time> > > > > > > Also ones maraka dasa and anothers weak dasa of 7th lord or> > > > > > karaka,like papayuta,papakartari,neecha etc should not> > happen at> > > > > same> > > > > > time.> > > > > > > if malefics r in 8th house which can cause vaidhavya> > > > > (widowhood),see> > > > > > the 8th lord and see in whose house he attained in navamsa -> > in> > > > his> > > > > > naisargika dasa can giv the effects.like moon within a> > year,mars> > > > > within> > > > > > two year sun 50years ,guru-18th years after marriage> > > > > > > or it can giv in dasa of malefics in 8th house> > > > > > > then santana chinta (progency) and prosperity and yoga> > chinta -> > > > > like> > > > > > this all kinds of stuff frm two horoscopes,longitivity> > should b> > > > > > calculated firstly before matchting> > > > > > > then i hav see an elaborate prashna whether there is> > > > > daivaanukulyam> > > > > > (wish of god ) for this union and see all kinds of nimittas> > and> > > > > omens> > > > > > > Now a days nimittas can happen only in villages and in> > towns> > > > its> > > > > at> > > > > > the discreation of astrologer to add or deduct according to> > his> > > > > > experience and reasoning power .> > > > > > > all good omens like bringings of perfumes,sandal and> > > > > kumkum,somebody> > > > > > is bringing mangal sutra,gold or new dress,married ladies or> > > > couples> > > > > > coming,seeing of astamangala materials,some come> > singing,mangala> > > > > dwani> > > > > > like sankh(conch),bells ringing,cows> > > > coming,elephant,royals,horses> > > > > all> > > > > > are considerd good.> > > > > > > some nimittas are bad which needs special attention> > > > > > > seeing somebody puts his finger in some hole or in> > > > nose /seeing> > > > > some> > > > > > animals/birds mating --suddenly jyothishi can say not> > > > reccommended> > > > > for> > > > > > matching.(actualy i find all this depends on upasana balam (> > > > > spiritual> > > > > > power ) of jyothishi)> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I hope it can giv some what clear idea abt matching and> > see> > > > its> > > > > not a> > > > > > Soft ware job .It needs a good calibre jyothishi and who> > learned> > > > a> > > > > good> > > > > > amnt of astro principles .> > > > > > >> > > > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Download prohibited? No problem. CHAT from any browser,> > without> > > > > > download.> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Explore your hobbies and interests. Click here to begin.> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > Download prohibited? No problem. CHAT from any browser, without> > download.> > >> >>

January 31, 2008

Friends,

I have a chart of a female jathaka with Guru in 12th which is Shayya

Sukha sthana.

Bhava Nasha Karo Jeeva dictum is being discussed here .

This girl got married in 37th year .She got married in June 2006.in

Guru dasa.

Guru in 12th can also result in delayed/failed marriage.

Female

DOB...25th Nov 1970

TOB....7.45 am

POB....Bangalore

Tatvam-Asi

, " Sreenadh "

<sreesog wrote:

>

> Dear Chandrahari ji,

> I apprecioate your view. But note that Jupiter is the lord of

9th

> house in the natural horoscope. 9th house is considered as the

house of

> luck, and as a house providing good husband and children especially

for

> women. Being significator of male some even consider Jupiter as

the

> natural significator of husband - even though this argument is not

wide

> spread. So the point I would suggest is the - verification of

results

> from the known horoscopes. Apart from quoting the sloka, and

pointing

> to the possibility of a natural benefic giving inauspicious

results, I

> don't had any other intention. But now I feel that we can make it a

> point of research, so that it can be confirmed or negated based on

known

> charts with the same combination.

> Note: Those who provide the charts with Jupiter in 12th, please

ensure

> that the dasa of Jupiter already happened that too after marriage in

> those horoscopes.

> Love and regards,

> Sreenadh

> , " chandra_hari18 "

> <chandra_hari18@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Friends,

> >

> > Quoted above is absolute nonsense. Jupiter in the 12th is

> > benevolnent for the 8th house of Mangalyam because of Jupiter's

> > beneficial full aspect on the 9th house. 12th house Jupiter is a

> > kind of antidote even for dire malefics in the 8th house. So there

> > is no question of 12th house Jupiter causing widowhood.

> >

> > chandra hari

> >

> > , Kiran R

> > kiran.rama@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sreenadhji,

> > >

> > > " Jupiter in 12th house may make a woman a widow " - This does not

> > hold good if Jupiter is in own house or exalted - and even if in

> > 12th house, it can cause widowhood only in its dasa.

> > >

> > > That is the problem today with mechanical interpretation of

> > slokas - The exceptions are usually in a sloka at the end of 2

> > succeeding chapters !!!

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Kiran

> > >

> > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote: Dear

> > Arjun ji,

> > > ==>

> > > > if a native has an exalted benefic planet

> > > > in su or swasthana with no negative affliction and his

mahadasa

> > is

> > > > running, the native shall get good results but if sadesathi is

> > > > running, the native does not enjoy the good results and rather

> > > > witness some negative results.

> > > <==

> > > True.

> > > ==>

> > > > regarding the mangal dosha, the mail i wrote was only for

> > theoretical

> > > > knowledge of the members as to how the hype was made out of

it.

> > > <==

> > > I agree with you. But still would say that definitely

badly

> > placed Malefics will give inauspicious results for sure. Why

> > malefics alone, even natural benefics can give many inauspicious

> > results. For example -

> > > Ande gurur hi Vidhavam, dinakrit daridram

> > > Chandro dhana vyayakara kuladam cha rahuH

> > > (Sthri Jatakam)

> > > Meaning, if Jupiter is in 12th house the woman may become a

> > widow; if Sun is in 12th house the woman may become penniless; if

> > Moon in 12th there could be much expence; if Rahu in 12th house

the

> > women may cause bad name for her family.

> > > Note that all these results manifest ONLY IF the dasa also

> > matches. If Jupiter in 7th in Capricorn for Cancer lagna, the

same

> > can cause death of wife/husband in its dasa. If Jupiter or Venus

is

> > in 8th from lagna for an women the chances for abortion is high.

So

> > in matching what should be considered - the position of the

malefics

> > (like Mars) alone or the specific results indicated by the various

> > (benefic and malefic) planets? This is the point one should

> > meditate upon if they are approaching astrology sincerely and

> > systematically. I agree with you to a great extend - and feel that

> > from two different perspectives, you and Sunil ji are presenting

one

> > and the same point.

> > > Love and regards,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

> > > --- In

, " panditarjun2004 "

> > <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > dear kiranji

> > > >

> > > > astrology in olden days even with all these 1001 principles

and

> > > > exceptions used to be a simple job for the traditionally

learnt

> > > > people but with the computer revolution making a hundred page

> > > > comprehensive astro analysis at the click of a button and each

> > page

> > > > giving an ambivalent view, the native gets confused with the

> > > > conflicting reports from each section. the astrologer has to

> > spend

> > > > lot of time in seeing, checking, overseeing all areas and then

> > come

> > > > to a cohesive conclusion. if a native has an exalted benefic

> > planet

> > > > in su or swasthana with no negative affliction and his

mahadasa

> > is

> > > > running, the native shall get good results but if sadesathi is

> > > > running, the native does not enjoy the good results and rather

> > > > witness some negative results.

> > > >

> > > > once i could not find any reason for the various sufferings of

> > the

> > > > native and then i asked him to check whether his brother has

> > mars in

> > > > the 8th house and then he confirmed it. so sometimes even just

> > > > checking the individual chart is not sufficient as other

charts

> > too

> > > > have vicarious impact.

> > > >

> > > > regarding the mangal dosha, the mail i wrote was only for

> > theoretical

> > > > knowledge of the members as to how the hype was made out of

it.

> > > >

> > > > with best wishes and blessings

> > > > pandit arjun

> > > >

> > > > , Kiran R

> > > > kiran.rama@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Well said Panditji....

> > > > >

> > > > > samya will not work in all cases -

> > > > > Samya is usually done for 1, 2, 4, 7, 8, 12 houses for

> > marriage -

> > > > logic being 7th is spouse, 8th is sustenance of marriage, 4th

is

> > > > sukha, 2nd is kutumba, 12th is pleasure and 1st is native

himself

> > > > >

> > > > > Suppose X has 2nd lord in dustana and malefic in 2nd house -

> > he is

> > > > going to have problems in earned wealth - if he marries

another

> > girl

> > > > with 2nd lord in dustana/malefic in 2nd house - both will

> > > > have " Daridrathana "

> > > > >

> > > > > I think it makes sense logically for a person who has a bad

> > 2nd

> > > > house to look to marry someone with good 2nd house so that it

> > gets

> > > > cancelled - and same logic to all houses as well

> > > > >

> > > > > Regarding doshas, mere presence of malefic in 1,2,4,7,8,12

> > houses

> > > > does not cause papatwa - what if the house lord is in sustana?

> > There

> > > > can be benefic aspecting the house? the malefic planet dasa

> > maybe

> > > > over? the malefic maybe lord of two sustanas...etc

> > > > >

> > > > > So maybe a better idea to judge all the houses and come to

> > > > conclusion

> > > > >

> > > > > panditarjun2004 panditarjun2004@

> > > > wrote: dear friends

> > > > >

> > > > > this mangal dosha is purportedly caused by merely mars

finding

> > a

> > > > > place in 1,2,4,7,8,12 houses (half of the houses) that too

> > seen

> > > > from

> > > > > lagna, moon and some say even from venus. some states in

india

> > do

> > > > > not reckon 2nd house and similarly some astrologers dont see

> > mars

> > > > in

> > > > > these houses from chandra and sukra to brand a native

manglik.

> > > > >

> > > > > there are more than a dozen rules where this so called

mangli

> > yoga

> > > > > gets nullified through a mangli bhang yoga.

> > > > >

> > > > > no ancient classic has any yoga by this name and the genesis

> > of

> > > > this

> > > > > yoga lies in the individual narration of how mars gives

> > results

> > > > when

> > > > > placed in the houses 1,4,7,8,12. if any astrologer reads

> > > > carefully

> > > > > the entire probable dispositions of mars in these houses in

> > > > speicific

> > > > > relation to marriage, we find only 7,8,12 house placed mars

> > giving

> > > > > some problems and not the other houses especially the

> > vaidhavya

> > > > yoga.

> > > > >

> > > > > logically kiranji's observation is valid that two wrongs

cant

> > make

> > > > a

> > > > > right. a completely blind man marrying a completely blind

> > woman

> > > > does

> > > > > not remove their blindness and let them see the world. on a

> > > > positive

> > > > > side, if the mars placement in a male chart suggests that

the

> > man

> > > > is

> > > > > a womaniser, he would find good company in marrying a woman

> > with

> > > > > similar yoga in her chart as both are broadminded!

> > > > >

> > > > > in all matrimonial websites and advertisements mangliks

> > > > specifically

> > > > > search only for mangliks thinking that both are made for

each

> > > > other

> > > > > or both are best compatible to each other.

> > > > >

> > > > > the much hyped verse " lagne vyayecha patale jamitrech

ashtame

> > > > kuje,

> > > > > kanya bhartru vinashaya, bharta kanya vinashakrut " does not

> > allow

> > > > a

> > > > > manglik to marry another manglik as it is internecine for

both.

> > > > >

> > > > > but two more verses appeared in modern astrology texts (not

> > > > ancient,

> > > > > not even medieval) that says as follows:

> > > > >

> > > > > kuja doshvatri deya kuja doshavate kila:

> > > > > nadista dosho na chanista dampatyo sukhavardhana.

> > > > >

> > > > > this verse says that if one manglik marries another manglik,

> > > > mangal

> > > > > does not do any evil and rather both enjoy love and

happiness.

> > > > >

> > > > > bhauma tulyo yada bhauma, paapo va tadvasho bhavet

> > > > > udvaha subhada prokta chiraayu putra pautrada.

> > > > >

> > > > > this verse says that if a man's chart has a malefic mars and

> > if

> > > > the

> > > > > woman's chart has similar malefic mars or another malefic

> > planet

> > > > in

> > > > > equal proportion, marriage between both is auspicious.

> > > > >

> > > > > astrologers have been given so many choicest sholkas from

> > books to

> > > > > first fix a native manglik, check the dozens of mangli

bhanga

> > > > yogas

> > > > > and then find another manglik and make the marriage between

> > both

> > > > > auspicious.

> > > > >

> > > > > with best wishes and blessings

> > > > > pandit arjun

> > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Sreenadh "

> > > > > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Kiran ji,

> > > > > > > I have observed that if both male and female horoscope

has

> > > > same

> > > > > dosha

> > > > > > (e.g: Kuja dosha),

> > > > > > > then it gets cancelled.

> > > > > > I doubt that statement about your 'observation'; rather it

> > > > is a

> > > > > > logical 'belief'; Ask Sunil ji to clarify you will get a

> > better

> > > > > picture.

> > > > > > I am not debating whether the results gets 'cancelled' or

> > not -

> > > > > that the

> > > > > > people who experienced it having the same combination will

> > > > clarify.

> > > > > > What I am stresssing is that, it is a logical 'belief';

> > rather

> > > > than

> > > > > > something 'observed' by the people.

> > > > > > Hope this helps.

> > > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , Kiran R

> > > > > > <kiran.rama@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Good post Sunilji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I have observed that if both male and female horoscope

has

> > > > same

> > > > > dosha

> > > > > > (e.g: Kuja dosha), then it gets cancelled. This is a

mystery

> > to

> > > > me

> > > > > as if

> > > > > > both have dosha both must suffer and have bad life. How

does

> > > > dosha

> > > > > get

> > > > > > cancelled if it is present in both?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > > Kiran

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > hare rama krishna ,

> > > > > > > dear grp and memebrs .

> > > > > > > This is my post long back published in another grp and

now

> > > > again

> > > > > many

> > > > > > requests happening in personal and grp mails i thought of

re

> > > > > posting it

> > > > > > .

> > > > > > > actualy sreenadhji was discussing abt it some days back

> > and i

> > > > > promised

> > > > > > him i will write and then do any modifications required;

> > > > > > > so here is my post

> > > > > > > ==============

> > > > > > > In kerala and what i know generaly in south india we

start

> > by

> > > > > > matchting the rasi in 10 ways like rasi,rasyaadhipa(they

use

> > > > > differnet

> > > > > > than normal frndship concept),vasyam,ganam(nature like

> > > > > > godly,demonly),yoni(male /female),dinam,mahendra,stree

> > > > > > dergham(dooram),rejju and vedham these are 10 and giving

> > each

> > > > one

> > > > > mark

> > > > > > and see if there is more marks and still rejju

(ayurvedic -

> > vata

> > > > > > ,pitta,kapha-i think)and vedha a must

> > > > > > > or u can use ashta koota methods prevalent in north .

> > > > > > > Then we go for papa samya

> > > > > > > lagana(body),2nd(family and speech),4th house (family

> > > > happiness

> > > > > and

> > > > > > sukha stan),7th house (house of marriage ) ,8th house

> > (deergha

> > > > > mangala

> > > > > > stan and maraka place and house of money of partner) and

12

> > th

> > > > > house is

> > > > > > sayana sukha stan and house of expenditure------so there

is

> > 6

> > > > places

> > > > > > > we see any malifics are there in above said places from

> > > > > > LAGANA,MOON(MIND) AND VENUS (INDICATOR OF MARRIAGE LIFE),

> > > > > > > some people will giv equal weightage to lagna and moon

(as

> > > > > considered

> > > > > > 2nd lagan) venus less weightage as some r of the opinion

> > that the

> > > > > > papatwa to venus cannot be remedied as a man with loose

> > morals

> > > > and

> > > > > girl

> > > > > > with equaly loose morals can not make good couples, they

see

> > 4th

> > > > > and 8th

> > > > > > matching only,Only see if too much points venus is gaining

> > esp

> > > > in

> > > > > the

> > > > > > case of girl,it may boost immoral tendencies or deny

normal

> > > > family

> > > > > > happyness by giving separation or even illness--it depends

> > on the

> > > > > > horoscope,

> > > > > > > papatwa is considered in decressing order

> > 8/7/4/12/2/1.Most

> > > > > malefic is

> > > > > > mars(planet of aggression and sudden actions),then

sani,then

> > > > > sun,rahu

> > > > > > finaly ketu,

> > > > > > > also giv some marks like mars-4/sani-3/sun-2/rah and

ketu-

> > 1

> > > > also

> > > > > in

> > > > > > lagana-5/2nd house2/4th house-3,7th house-4/8th house-

6/12th

> > > > house 1

> > > > > > > Again this we hav to see exceptions ,own house

> > > > debilataion ,means

> > > > > good

> > > > > > strenght can decrees the value and planet neecha or moudya

> > > > (combust )

> > > > > > will get 100% value.Only aspect of benefics can reduce the

> > > > effects

> > > > > and

> > > > > > malifics will surely increase the effects.

> > > > > > > Main consideration while analysing----

> > > > > > > 1) Papa grahas should b some what equal position or

> > countering

> > > > > > position

> > > > > > > 2)If malefic is benefic from bhava concerned can giv

> > reduction

> > > > > > > 3)if malefic is yoga karak again papatwa will be reduced

> > > > > > > 4)see major dasa of papas has passed and see their sub

> > period

> > > > and

> > > > > do

> > > > > > the assessments

> > > > > > > 5)If lady having widowhood in horoscope match with a

> > person

> > > > who

> > > > > has

> > > > > > two marriage or wife marana yaga( death of wife )

> > > > > > > 6)Main considerations shud b given to 7th and 8th

position

> > of

> > > > > malefics

> > > > > > > 7)Then in mans horo papa( malefics ) should b in 7th

house

> > > > > > > 8)Even if in female horoscope papas( malefics) r in 7th

> > and

> > > > > 8th,if a

> > > > > > strong benefic in 9th then it s solved automaticaly .

> > > > > > > AS---- navame shubha samyukte sapape aste ashtamepi va

> > > > > > > pathi putra yuta nari modate natra samsaya

> > > > > > > 9)see if papa graha dasas coming immediatly after

marriage.

> > > > > > > 10)dasa santhi nirnayam

> > > > > > > see in both horoscopes same period dasa ends within 6

> > months

> > > > to

> > > > > one

> > > > > > years ends .See next dasa is maraka, or papa or weak then

> > those

> > > > > > horoscopes shud not b matched

> > > > > > > same period dasa of enemy of lagna lord is happening and

> > see

> > > > its

> > > > > > promise in the horoscope.

> > > > > > > same period dasa of mutualy enemys like sun in and sani

in

> > > > > another or

> > > > > > rahu in one guru or venus and guru

> > > > > > > see the period of marakas in each horoscope and should

not

> > run

> > > > > > together at one time

> > > > > > > Also ones maraka dasa and anothers weak dasa of 7th

lord or

> > > > > > karaka,like papayuta,papakartari,neecha etc should not

> > happen at

> > > > > same

> > > > > > time.

> > > > > > > if malefics r in 8th house which can cause vaidhavya

> > > > > (widowhood),see

> > > > > > the 8th lord and see in whose house he attained in

navamsa -

> > in

> > > > his

> > > > > > naisargika dasa can giv the effects.like moon within a

> > year,mars

> > > > > within

> > > > > > two year sun 50years ,guru-18th years after marriage

> > > > > > > or it can giv in dasa of malefics in 8th house

> > > > > > > then santana chinta (progency) and prosperity and yoga

> > chinta -

> > > > > like

> > > > > > this all kinds of stuff frm two horoscopes,longitivity

> > should b

> > > > > > calculated firstly before matchting

> > > > > > > then i hav see an elaborate prashna whether there is

> > > > > daivaanukulyam

> > > > > > (wish of god ) for this union and see all kinds of

nimittas

> > and

> > > > > omens

> > > > > > > Now a days nimittas can happen only in villages and in

> > towns

> > > > its

> > > > > at

> > > > > > the discreation of astrologer to add or deduct according

to

> > his

> > > > > > experience and reasoning power .

> > > > > > > all good omens like bringings of perfumes,sandal and

> > > > > kumkum,somebody

> > > > > > is bringing mangal sutra,gold or new dress,married ladies

or

> > > > couples

> > > > > > coming,seeing of astamangala materials,some come

> > singing,mangala

> > > > > dwani

> > > > > > like sankh(conch),bells ringing,cows

> > > > coming,elephant,royals,horses

> > > > > all

> > > > > > are considerd good.

> > > > > > > some nimittas are bad which needs special attention

> > > > > > > seeing somebody puts his finger in some hole or in

> > > > nose /seeing

> > > > > some

> > > > > > animals/birds mating --suddenly jyothishi can say not

> > > > reccommended

> > > > > for

> > > > > > matching.(actualy i find all this depends on upasana

balam (

> > > > > spiritual

> > > > > > power ) of jyothishi)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I hope it can giv some what clear idea abt matching and

> > see

> > > > its

> > > > > not a

> > > > > > Soft ware job .It needs a good calibre jyothishi and who

> > learned

> > > > a

> > > > > good

> > > > > > amnt of astro principles .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regrds sunil nair

> > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

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January 31, 2008

Hare ramakrishana .

dear tatvamasi ji .

No i cant digest this adage jupiter destroys and sani protect the sign or house .

In this chart there is enough afflictions are there and only jup dasa has given her marriage .U see the house ,karaka ,Lord scheme and see how its afflicted or in papakartary also u can see that rahu in 4th house .And her dasa after birth dasha was 6yrs some thing mars and then rahu ( ur favrite and same rahu dont giv marriage in its period so who is protecting and destroying houses also u can see that those who follow rahu is owner of aqua scheme again rahu dont giv family happiness --if its owner of the house ) ,may be rahu can giv delay in education or a lov failure .Then this jupiter period Has given the marriage .

From moon also u can see it ,the relevent house in PKY .also see from venus the karaka in 7th house sani is debilated .

so delay for marriage is there and rite dasas also has operate .

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah

, "nameisego" <nameisego wrote:>> Friends,> > I have a chart of a female jathaka with Guru in 12th which is Shayya > Sukha sthana. > Bhava Nasha Karo Jeeva dictum is being discussed here .> This girl got married in 37th year .She got married in June 2006.in > Guru dasa.> Guru in 12th can also result in delayed/failed marriage.> > Female> DOB...25th Nov 1970> TOB....7.45 am> POB....Bangalore> > Tatvam-Asi> > , "Sreenadh" > sreesog@ wrote:> >> > > > Dear Chandrahari ji,> > I apprecioate your view. But note that Jupiter is the lord of > 9th> > house in the natural horoscope. 9th house is considered as the > house of> > luck, and as a house providing good husband and children especially > for> > women. Being significator of male some even consider Jupiter as > the> > natural significator of husband - even though this argument is not > wide> > spread. So the point I would suggest is the - verification of > results> > from the known horoscopes. Apart from quoting the sloka, and > pointing> > to the possibility of a natural benefic giving inauspicious > results, I> > don't had any other intention. But now I feel that we can make it a> > point of research, so that it can be confirmed or negated based on > known> > charts with the same combination.> > Note: Those who provide the charts with Jupiter in 12th, please > ensure> > that the dasa of Jupiter already happened that too after marriage in> > those horoscopes.> > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> > , "chandra_hari18"> > <chandra_hari18@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Friends,> > >> > > Quoted above is absolute nonsense. Jupiter in the 12th is> > > benevolnent for the 8th house of Mangalyam because of Jupiter's> > > beneficial full aspect on the 9th house. 12th house Jupiter is a> > > kind of antidote even for dire malefics in the 8th house. So there> > > is no question of 12th house Jupiter causing widowhood.> > >> > > chandra hari> > >> > >> > > , Kiran R> > > kiran.rama@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Sreenadhji,> > > >> > > > "Jupiter in 12th house may make a woman a widow" - This does not> > > hold good if Jupiter is in own house or exalted - and even if in> > > 12th house, it can cause widowhood only in its dasa.> > > >> > > > That is the problem today with mechanical interpretation of> > > slokas - The exceptions are usually in a sloka at the end of 2> > > succeeding chapters !!!> > > >> > > > Regards> > > > Kiran> > > >> > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote: Dear> > > Arjun ji,> > > > ==>> > > > > if a native has an exalted benefic planet> > > > > in su or swasthana with no negative affliction and his > mahadasa> > > is> > > > > running, the native shall get good results but if sadesathi is> > > > > running, the native does not enjoy the good results and rather> > > > > witness some negative results.> > > > <==> > > > True. > > > > ==>> > > > > regarding the mangal dosha, the mail i wrote was only for> > > theoretical> > > > > knowledge of the members as to how the hype was made out of > it.> > > > <==> > > > I agree with you. But still would say that definitely > badly> > > placed Malefics will give inauspicious results for sure. Why> > > malefics alone, even natural benefics can give many inauspicious> > > results. For example -> > > > Ande gurur hi Vidhavam, dinakrit daridram> > > > Chandro dhana vyayakara kuladam cha rahuH> > > > (Sthri Jatakam)> > > > Meaning, if Jupiter is in 12th house the woman may become a> > > widow; if Sun is in 12th house the woman may become penniless; if> > > Moon in 12th there could be much expence; if Rahu in 12th house > the> > > women may cause bad name for her family.> > > > Note that all these results manifest ONLY IF the dasa also> > > matches. If Jupiter in 7th in Capricorn for Cancer lagna, the > same> > > can cause death of wife/husband in its dasa. If Jupiter or Venus > is> > > in 8th from lagna for an women the chances for abortion is high. > So> > > in matching what should be considered - the position of the > malefics> > > (like Mars) alone or the specific results indicated by the various> > > (benefic and malefic) planets? This is the point one should> > > meditate upon if they are approaching astrology sincerely and> > > systematically. I agree with you to a great extend - and feel that> > > from two different perspectives, you and Sunil ji are presenting > one> > > and the same point.> > > > Love and regards,> > > > Sreenadh> > > >> > > > > , "panditarjun2004"> > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > dear kiranji> > > > >> > > > > astrology in olden days even with all these 1001 principles > and> > > > > exceptions used to be a simple job for the traditionally > learnt> > > > > people but with the computer revolution making a hundred page> > > > > comprehensive astro analysis at the click of a button and each> > > page> > > > > giving an ambivalent view, the native gets confused with the> > > > > conflicting reports from each section. the astrologer has to> > > spend> > > > > lot of time in seeing, checking, overseeing all areas and then> > > come> > > > > to a cohesive conclusion. if a native has an exalted benefic> > > planet> > > > > in su or swasthana with no negative affliction and his > mahadasa> > > is> > > > > running, the native shall get good results but if sadesathi is> > > > > running, the native does not enjoy the good results and rather> > > > > witness some negative results.> > > > >> > > > > once i could not find any reason for the various sufferings of> > > the> > > > > native and then i asked him to check whether his brother has> > > mars in> > > > > the 8th house and then he confirmed it. so sometimes even just> > > > > checking the individual chart is not sufficient as other > charts> > > too> > > > > have vicarious impact.> > > > >> > > > > regarding the mangal dosha, the mail i wrote was only for> > > theoretical> > > > > knowledge of the members as to how the hype was made out of > it.> > > > >> > > > > with best wishes and blessings> > > > > pandit arjun> > > > >> > > > > , Kiran R> > > > > kiran.rama@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Well said Panditji....> > > > > >> > > > > > samya will not work in all cases -> > > > > > Samya is usually done for 1, 2, 4, 7, 8, 12 houses for> > > marriage -> > > > > logic being 7th is spouse, 8th is sustenance of marriage, 4th > is> > > > > sukha, 2nd is kutumba, 12th is pleasure and 1st is native > himself> > > > > >> > > > > > Suppose X has 2nd lord in dustana and malefic in 2nd house -> > > he is> > > > > going to have problems in earned wealth - if he marries > another> > > girl> > > > > with 2nd lord in dustana/malefic in 2nd house - both will> > > > > have "Daridrathana"> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > I think it makes sense logically for a person who has a bad> > > 2nd> > > > > house to look to marry someone with good 2nd house so that it> > > gets> > > > > cancelled - and same logic to all houses as well> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Regarding doshas, mere presence of malefic in 1,2,4,7,8,12> > > houses> > > > > does not cause papatwa - what if the house lord is in sustana?> > > There> > > > > can be benefic aspecting the house? the malefic planet dasa> > > maybe> > > > > over? the malefic maybe lord of two sustanas...etc> > > > > >> > > > > > So maybe a better idea to judge all the houses and come to> > > > > conclusion> > > > > >> > > > > > panditarjun2004 panditarjun2004@> > > > > wrote: dear friends> > > > > >> > > > > > this mangal dosha is purportedly caused by merely mars > finding> > > a> > > > > > place in 1,2,4,7,8,12 houses (half of the houses) that too> > > seen> > > > > from> > > > > > lagna, moon and some say even from venus. some states in > india> > > do> > > > > > not reckon 2nd house and similarly some astrologers dont see> > > mars> > > > > in> > > > > > these houses from chandra and sukra to brand a native > manglik.> > > > > >> > > > > > there are more than a dozen rules where this so called > mangli> > > yoga> > > > > > gets nullified through a mangli bhang yoga.> > > > > >> > > > > > no ancient classic has any yoga by this name and the genesis> > > of> > > > > this> > > > > > yoga lies in the individual narration of how mars gives> > > results> > > > > when> > > > > > placed in the houses 1,4,7,8,12. if any astrologer reads> > > > > carefully> > > > > > the entire probable dispositions of mars in these houses in> > > > > speicific> > > > > > relation to marriage, we find only 7,8,12 house placed mars> > > giving> > > > > > some problems and not the other houses especially the> > > vaidhavya> > > > > yoga.> > > > > >> > > > > > logically kiranji's observation is valid that two wrongs > cant> > > make> > > > > a> > > > > > right. a completely blind man marrying a completely blind> > > woman> > > > > does> > > > > > not remove their blindness and let them see the world. on a> > > > > positive> > > > > > side, if the mars placement in a male chart suggests that > the> > > man> > > > > is> > > > > > a womaniser, he would find good company in marrying a woman> > > with> > > > > > similar yoga in her chart as both are broadminded!> > > > > >> > > > > > in all matrimonial websites and advertisements mangliks> > > > > specifically> > > > > > search only for mangliks thinking that both are made for > each> > > > > other> > > > > > or both are best compatible to each other.> > > > > >> > > > > > the much hyped verse "lagne vyayecha patale jamitrech > ashtame> > > > > kuje,> > > > > > kanya bhartru vinashaya, bharta kanya vinashakrut" does not> > > allow> > > > > a> > > > > > manglik to marry another manglik as it is internecine for > both.> > > > > >> > > > > > but two more verses appeared in modern astrology texts (not> > > > > ancient,> > > > > > not even medieval) that says as follows:> > > > > >> > > > > > kuja doshvatri deya kuja doshavate kila:> > > > > > nadista dosho na chanista dampatyo sukhavardhana.> > > > > >> > > > > > this verse says that if one manglik marries another manglik,> > > > > mangal> > > > > > does not do any evil and rather both enjoy love and > happiness.> > > > > >> > > > > > bhauma tulyo yada bhauma, paapo va tadvasho bhavet> > > > > > udvaha subhada prokta chiraayu putra pautrada.> > > > > >> > > > > > this verse says that if a man's chart has a malefic mars and> > > if> > > > > the> > > > > > woman's chart has similar malefic mars or another malefic> > > planet> > > > > in> > > > > > equal proportion, marriage between both is auspicious.> > > > > >> > > > > > astrologers have been given so many choicest sholkas from> > > books to> > > > > > first fix a native manglik, check the dozens of mangli > bhanga> > > > > yogas> > > > > > and then find another manglik and make the marriage between> > > both> > > > > > auspicious.> > > > > >> > > > > > with best wishes and blessings> > > > > > pandit arjun> > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com> > > > > >> > > > > > , "Sreenadh"> > > > > > <sreesog@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Kiran ji,> > > > > > > > I have observed that if both male and female horoscope > has> > > > > same> > > > > > dosha> > > > > > > (e.g: Kuja dosha),> > > > > > > > then it gets cancelled.> > > > > > > I doubt that statement about your 'observation'; rather it> > > > > is a> > > > > > > logical 'belief'; Ask Sunil ji to clarify you will get a> > > better> > > > > > picture.> > > > > > > I am not debating whether the results gets 'cancelled' or> > > not -> > > > > > that the> > > > > > > people who experienced it having the same combination will> > > > > clarify.> > > > > > > What I am stresssing is that, it is a logical 'belief';> > > rather> > > > > than> > > > > > > something 'observed' by the people.> > > > > > > Hope this helps.> > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > >> > > > > > > , Kiran R> > > > > > > <kiran.rama@> wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Good post Sunilji,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I have observed that if both male and female horoscope > has> > > > > same> > > > > > dosha> > > > > > > (e.g: Kuja dosha), then it gets cancelled. This is a > mystery> > > to> > > > > me> > > > > > as if> > > > > > > both have dosha both must suffer and have bad life. How > does> > > > > dosha> > > > > > get> > > > > > > cancelled if it is present in both?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Thanks> > > > > > > > Kiran> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > hare rama krishna ,> > > > > > > > dear grp and memebrs .> > > > > > > > This is my post long back published in another grp and > now> > > > > again> > > > > > many> > > > > > > requests happening in personal and grp mails i thought of > re> > > > > > posting it> > > > > > > .> > > > > > > > actualy sreenadhji was discussing abt it some days back> > > and i> > > > > > promised> > > > > > > him i will write and then do any modifications required;> > > > > > > > so here is my post> > > > > > > > ==============> > > > > > > > In kerala and what i know generaly in south india we > start> > > by> > > > > > > matchting the rasi in 10 ways like rasi,rasyaadhipa(they > use> > > > > > differnet> > > > > > > than normal frndship concept),vasyam,ganam(nature like> > > > > > > godly,demonly),yoni(male /female),dinam,mahendra,stree> > > > > > > dergham(dooram),rejju and vedham these are 10 and giving> > > each> > > > > one> > > > > > mark> > > > > > > and see if there is more marks and still rejju > (ayurvedic -> > > vata> > > > > > > ,pitta,kapha-i think)and vedha a must> > > > > > > > or u can use ashta koota methods prevalent in north .> > > > > > > > Then we go for papa samya> > > > > > > > lagana(body),2nd(family and speech),4th house (family> > > > > happiness> > > > > > and> > > > > > > sukha stan),7th house (house of marriage ) ,8th house> > > (deergha> > > > > > mangala> > > > > > > stan and maraka place and house of money of partner) and > 12> > > th> > > > > > house is> > > > > > > sayana sukha stan and house of expenditure------so there > is> > > 6> > > > > places> > > > > > > > we see any malifics are there in above said places from> > > > > > > LAGANA,MOON(MIND) AND VENUS (INDICATOR OF MARRIAGE LIFE),> > > > > > > > some people will giv equal weightage to lagna and moon > (as> > > > > > considered> > > > > > > 2nd lagan) venus less weightage as some r of the opinion> > > that the> > > > > > > papatwa to venus cannot be remedied as a man with loose> > > morals> > > > > and> > > > > > girl> > > > > > > with equaly loose morals can not make good couples, they > see> > > 4th> > > > > > and 8th> > > > > > > matching only,Only see if too much points venus is gaining> > > esp> > > > > in> > > > > > the> > > > > > > case of girl,it may boost immoral tendencies or deny > normal> > > > > family> > > > > > > happyness by giving separation or even illness--it depends> > > on the> > > > > > > horoscope,> > > > > > > > papatwa is considered in decressing order> > > 8/7/4/12/2/1.Most> > > > > > malefic is> > > > > > > mars(planet of aggression and sudden actions),then > sani,then> > > > > > sun,rahu> > > > > > > finaly ketu,> > > > > > > > also giv some marks like mars-4/sani-3/sun-2/rah and > ketu-> > > 1> > > > > also> > > > > > in> > > > > > > lagana-5/2nd house2/4th house-3,7th house-4/8th house-> 6/12th> > > > > house 1> > > > > > > > Again this we hav to see exceptions ,own house> > > > > debilataion ,means> > > > > > good> > > > > > > strenght can decrees the value and planet neecha or moudya> > > > > (combust )> > > > > > > will get 100% value.Only aspect of benefics can reduce the> > > > > effects> > > > > > and> > > > > > > malifics will surely increase the effects.> > > > > > > > Main consideration while analysing----> > > > > > > > 1) Papa grahas should b some what equal position or> > > countering> > > > > > > position> > > > > > > > 2)If malefic is benefic from bhava concerned can giv> > > reduction> > > > > > > > 3)if malefic is yoga karak again papatwa will be reduced> > > > > > > > 4)see major dasa of papas has passed and see their sub> > > period> > > > > and> > > > > > do> > > > > > > the assessments> > > > > > > > 5)If lady having widowhood in horoscope match with a> > > person> > > > > who> > > > > > has> > > > > > > two marriage or wife marana yaga( death of wife )> > > > > > > > 6)Main considerations shud b given to 7th and 8th > position> > > of> > > > > > malefics> > > > > > > > 7)Then in mans horo papa( malefics ) should b in 7th > house> > > > > > > > 8)Even if in female horoscope papas( malefics) r in 7th> > > and> > > > > > 8th,if a> > > > > > > strong benefic in 9th then it s solved automaticaly .> > > > > > > > AS---- navame shubha samyukte sapape aste ashtamepi va> > > > > > > > pathi putra yuta nari modate natra samsaya> > > > > > > > 9)see if papa graha dasas coming immediatly after > marriage.> > > > > > > > 10)dasa santhi nirnayam> > > > > > > > see in both horoscopes same period dasa ends within 6> > > months> > > > > to> > > > > > one> > > > > > > years ends .See next dasa is maraka, or papa or weak then> > > those> > > > > > > horoscopes shud not b matched> > > > > > > > same period dasa of enemy of lagna lord is happening and> > > see> > > > > its> > > > > > > promise in the horoscope.> > > > > > > > same period dasa of mutualy enemys like sun in and sani > in> > > > > > another or> > > > > > > rahu in one guru or venus and guru> > > > > > > > see the period of marakas in each horoscope and should > not> > > run> > > > > > > together at one time> > > > > > > > Also ones maraka dasa and anothers weak dasa of 7th > lord or> > > > > > > karaka,like papayuta,papakartari,neecha etc should not> > > happen at> > > > > > same> > > > > > > time.> > > > > > > > if malefics r in 8th house which can cause vaidhavya> > > > > > (widowhood),see> > > > > > > the 8th lord and see in whose house he attained in > navamsa -> > > in> > > > > his> > > > > > > naisargika dasa can giv the effects.like moon within a> > > year,mars> > > > > > within> > > > > > > two year sun 50years ,guru-18th years after marriage> > > > > > > > or it can giv in dasa of malefics in 8th house> > > > > > > > then santana chinta (progency) and prosperity and yoga> > > chinta -> > > > > > like> > > > > > > this all kinds of stuff frm two horoscopes,longitivity> > > should b> > > > > > > calculated firstly before matchting> > > > > > > > then i hav see an elaborate prashna whether there is> > > > > > daivaanukulyam> > > > > > > (wish of god ) for this union and see all kinds of > nimittas> > > and> > > > > > omens> > > > > > > > Now a days nimittas can happen only in villages and in> > > towns> > > > > its> > > > > > at> > > > > > > the discreation of astrologer to add or deduct according > to> > > his> > > > > > > experience and reasoning power .> > > > > > > > all good omens like bringings of perfumes,sandal and> > > > > > kumkum,somebody> > > > > > > is bringing mangal sutra,gold or new dress,married ladies > or> > > > > couples> > > > > > > coming,seeing of astamangala materials,some come> > > singing,mangala> > > > > > dwani> > > > > > > like sankh(conch),bells ringing,cows> > > > > coming,elephant,royals,horses> > > > > > all> > > > > > > are considerd good.> > > > > > > > some nimittas are bad which needs special attention> > > > > > > > seeing somebody puts his finger in some hole or in> > > > > nose /seeing> > > > > > some> > > > > > > animals/birds mating --suddenly jyothishi can say not> > > > > reccommended> > > > > > for> > > > > > > matching.(actualy i find all this depends on upasana > balam (> > > > > > spiritual> > > > > > > power ) of jyothishi)> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I hope it can giv some what clear idea abt matching and> > > see> > > > > its> > > > > > not a> > > > > > > Soft ware job .It needs a good calibre jyothishi and who> > > learned> > > > > a> > > > > > good> > > > > > > amnt of astro principles .> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 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January 31, 2008

Dear learned members,

I have a female with Jupiter in 12H. Her Jupiter major period is yet

to come. But during Rahu/Rahu/Jupiter her husband had a stroke and

still he is an ivalid. She carries on her shoulders the household

burdens. Though the husband is alive...she is kind of a widow.

Let me give you the birth details.

August 11, 1952 @ 1.10 AM in Horana, Sri Lanka.

blessings

Renu

, " sunil nair "

<astro_tellerkerala wrote:

>

> Hare ramakrishana .

>

> dear tatvamasi ji .

>

> No i cant digest this adage jupiter destroys and sani protect

the sign

> or house .

>

> In this chart there is enough afflictions are there and only jup

dasa

> has given her marriage .U see the house ,karaka ,Lord scheme and

see how

> its afflicted or in papakartary also u can see that rahu in 4th

house

> .And her dasa after birth dasha was 6yrs some thing mars and then

rahu (

> ur favrite and same rahu dont giv marriage in its period so who is

> protecting and destroying houses also u can see that those who

follow

> rahu is owner of aqua scheme again rahu dont giv family happiness -

-if

> its owner of the house ) ,may be rahu can giv delay in education

or a

> lov failure .Then this jupiter period Has given the marriage .

>

> From moon also u can see it ,the relevent house in PKY .also see

from

> venus the karaka in 7th house sani is debilated .

>

> so delay for marriage is there and rite dasas also has operate .

>

> regrds sunil nair

>

> om shreem mahalaxmai namah

>

> , " nameisego "

> <nameisego@> wrote:

> >

> > Friends,

> >

> > I have a chart of a female jathaka with Guru in 12th which is

Shayya

> > Sukha sthana.

> > Bhava Nasha Karo Jeeva dictum is being discussed here .

> > This girl got married in 37th year .She got married in June

2006.in

> > Guru dasa.

> > Guru in 12th can also result in delayed/failed marriage.

> >

> > Female

> > DOB...25th Nov 1970

> > TOB....7.45 am

> > POB....Bangalore

> >

> > Tatvam-Asi

> >

> > , " Sreenadh "

> > sreesog@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Chandrahari ji,

> > > I apprecioate your view. But note that Jupiter is the lord of

> > 9th

> > > house in the natural horoscope. 9th house is considered as the

> > house of

> > > luck, and as a house providing good husband and children

especially

> > for

> > > women. Being significator of male some even consider Jupiter as

> > the

> > > natural significator of husband - even though this argument is

not

> > wide

> > > spread. So the point I would suggest is the - verification of

> > results

> > > from the known horoscopes. Apart from quoting the sloka, and

> > pointing

> > > to the possibility of a natural benefic giving inauspicious

> > results, I

> > > don't had any other intention. But now I feel that we can make

it a

> > > point of research, so that it can be confirmed or negated

based on

> > known

> > > charts with the same combination.

> > > Note: Those who provide the charts with Jupiter in 12th, please

> > ensure

> > > that the dasa of Jupiter already happened that too after

marriage in

> > > those horoscopes.

> > > Love and regards,

> > > Sreenadh

> > > --- In

, " chandra_hari18 "

> > > <chandra_hari18@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Friends,

> > > >

> > > > Quoted above is absolute nonsense. Jupiter in the 12th is

> > > > benevolnent for the 8th house of Mangalyam because of

Jupiter's

> > > > beneficial full aspect on the 9th house. 12th house Jupiter

is a

> > > > kind of antidote even for dire malefics in the 8th house. So

there

> > > > is no question of 12th house Jupiter causing widowhood.

> > > >

> > > > chandra hari

> > > >

> > > > , Kiran R

> > > > kiran.rama@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sreenadhji,

> > > > >

> > > > > " Jupiter in 12th house may make a woman a widow " - This

does not

> > > > hold good if Jupiter is in own house or exalted - and even

if in

> > > > 12th house, it can cause widowhood only in its dasa.

> > > > >

> > > > > That is the problem today with mechanical interpretation of

> > > > slokas - The exceptions are usually in a sloka at the end of

2

> > > > succeeding chapters !!!

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > Kiran

> > > > >

> > > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote: Dear

> > > > Arjun ji,

> > > > > ==>

> > > > > > if a native has an exalted benefic planet

> > > > > > in su or swasthana with no negative affliction and his

> > mahadasa

> > > > is

> > > > > > running, the native shall get good results but if

sadesathi is

> > > > > > running, the native does not enjoy the good results and

rather

> > > > > > witness some negative results.

> > > > > <==

> > > > > True.

> > > > > ==>

> > > > > > regarding the mangal dosha, the mail i wrote was only for

> > > > theoretical

> > > > > > knowledge of the members as to how the hype was made out

of

> > it.

> > > > > <==

> > > > > I agree with you. But still would say that definitely

> > badly

> > > > placed Malefics will give inauspicious results for sure.

Why

> > > > malefics alone, even natural benefics can give many

inauspicious

> > > > results. For example -

> > > > > Ande gurur hi Vidhavam, dinakrit daridram

> > > > > Chandro dhana vyayakara kuladam cha rahuH

> > > > > (Sthri Jatakam)

> > > > > Meaning, if Jupiter is in 12th house the woman may become a

> > > > widow; if Sun is in 12th house the woman may become

penniless; if

> > > > Moon in 12th there could be much expence; if Rahu in 12th

house

> > the

> > > > women may cause bad name for her family.

> > > > > Note that all these results manifest ONLY IF the dasa also

> > > > matches. If Jupiter in 7th in Capricorn for Cancer lagna, the

> > same

> > > > can cause death of wife/husband in its dasa. If Jupiter or

Venus

> > is

> > > > in 8th from lagna for an women the chances for abortion is

high.

> > So

> > > > in matching what should be considered - the position of the

> > malefics

> > > > (like Mars) alone or the specific results indicated by the

various

> > > > (benefic and malefic) planets? This is the point one should

> > > > meditate upon if they are approaching astrology sincerely and

> > > > systematically. I agree with you to a great extend - and

feel that

> > > > from two different perspectives, you and Sunil ji are

presenting

> > one

> > > > and the same point.

> > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > >

> > > > > --- In

> > , " panditarjun2004 "

> > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > dear kiranji

> > > > > >

> > > > > > astrology in olden days even with all these 1001

principles

> > and

> > > > > > exceptions used to be a simple job for the traditionally

> > learnt

> > > > > > people but with the computer revolution making a hundred

page

> > > > > > comprehensive astro analysis at the click of a button

and each

> > > > page

> > > > > > giving an ambivalent view, the native gets confused with

the

> > > > > > conflicting reports from each section. the astrologer

has to

> > > > spend

> > > > > > lot of time in seeing, checking, overseeing all areas

and then

> > > > come

> > > > > > to a cohesive conclusion. if a native has an exalted

benefic

> > > > planet

> > > > > > in su or swasthana with no negative affliction and his

> > mahadasa

> > > > is

> > > > > > running, the native shall get good results but if

sadesathi is

> > > > > > running, the native does not enjoy the good results and

rather

> > > > > > witness some negative results.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > once i could not find any reason for the various

sufferings of

> > > > the

> > > > > > native and then i asked him to check whether his brother

has

> > > > mars in

> > > > > > the 8th house and then he confirmed it. so sometimes

even just

> > > > > > checking the individual chart is not sufficient as other

> > charts

> > > > too

> > > > > > have vicarious impact.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regarding the mangal dosha, the mail i wrote was only for

> > > > theoretical

> > > > > > knowledge of the members as to how the hype was made out

of

> > it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > with best wishes and blessings

> > > > > > pandit arjun

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , Kiran R

> > > > > > kiran.rama@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Well said Panditji....

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > samya will not work in all cases -

> > > > > > > Samya is usually done for 1, 2, 4, 7, 8, 12 houses for

> > > > marriage -

> > > > > > logic being 7th is spouse, 8th is sustenance of

marriage, 4th

> > is

> > > > > > sukha, 2nd is kutumba, 12th is pleasure and 1st is native

> > himself

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Suppose X has 2nd lord in dustana and malefic in 2nd

house -

> > > > he is

> > > > > > going to have problems in earned wealth - if he marries

> > another

> > > > girl

> > > > > > with 2nd lord in dustana/malefic in 2nd house - both will

> > > > > > have " Daridrathana "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I think it makes sense logically for a person who has

a bad

> > > > 2nd

> > > > > > house to look to marry someone with good 2nd house so

that it

> > > > gets

> > > > > > cancelled - and same logic to all houses as well

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regarding doshas, mere presence of malefic in

1,2,4,7,8,12

> > > > houses

> > > > > > does not cause papatwa - what if the house lord is in

sustana?

> > > > There

> > > > > > can be benefic aspecting the house? the malefic planet

dasa

> > > > maybe

> > > > > > over? the malefic maybe lord of two sustanas...etc

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So maybe a better idea to judge all the houses and

come to

> > > > > > conclusion

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > panditarjun2004 panditarjun2004@

> > > > > > wrote: dear friends

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > this mangal dosha is purportedly caused by merely mars

> > finding

> > > > a

> > > > > > > place in 1,2,4,7,8,12 houses (half of the houses) that

too

> > > > seen

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > lagna, moon and some say even from venus. some states

in

> > india

> > > > do

> > > > > > > not reckon 2nd house and similarly some astrologers

dont see

> > > > mars

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > these houses from chandra and sukra to brand a native

> > manglik.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > there are more than a dozen rules where this so called

> > mangli

> > > > yoga

> > > > > > > gets nullified through a mangli bhang yoga.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > no ancient classic has any yoga by this name and the

genesis

> > > > of

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > yoga lies in the individual narration of how mars gives

> > > > results

> > > > > > when

> > > > > > > placed in the houses 1,4,7,8,12. if any astrologer

reads

> > > > > > carefully

> > > > > > > the entire probable dispositions of mars in these

houses in

> > > > > > speicific

> > > > > > > relation to marriage, we find only 7,8,12 house placed

mars

> > > > giving

> > > > > > > some problems and not the other houses especially the

> > > > vaidhavya

> > > > > > yoga.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > logically kiranji's observation is valid that two

wrongs

> > cant

> > > > make

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > right. a completely blind man marrying a completely

blind

> > > > woman

> > > > > > does

> > > > > > > not remove their blindness and let them see the world.

on a

> > > > > > positive

> > > > > > > side, if the mars placement in a male chart suggests

that

> > the

> > > > man

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > a womaniser, he would find good company in marrying a

woman

> > > > with

> > > > > > > similar yoga in her chart as both are broadminded!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > in all matrimonial websites and advertisements mangliks

> > > > > > specifically

> > > > > > > search only for mangliks thinking that both are made

for

> > each

> > > > > > other

> > > > > > > or both are best compatible to each other.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > the much hyped verse " lagne vyayecha patale jamitrech

> > ashtame

> > > > > > kuje,

> > > > > > > kanya bhartru vinashaya, bharta kanya vinashakrut "

does not

> > > > allow

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > manglik to marry another manglik as it is internecine

for

> > both.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > but two more verses appeared in modern astrology texts

(not

> > > > > > ancient,

> > > > > > > not even medieval) that says as follows:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > kuja doshvatri deya kuja doshavate kila:

> > > > > > > nadista dosho na chanista dampatyo sukhavardhana.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > this verse says that if one manglik marries another

manglik,

> > > > > > mangal

> > > > > > > does not do any evil and rather both enjoy love and

> > happiness.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > bhauma tulyo yada bhauma, paapo va tadvasho bhavet

> > > > > > > udvaha subhada prokta chiraayu putra pautrada.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > this verse says that if a man's chart has a malefic

mars and

> > > > if

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > woman's chart has similar malefic mars or another

malefic

> > > > planet

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > equal proportion, marriage between both is auspicious.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > astrologers have been given so many choicest sholkas

from

> > > > books to

> > > > > > > first fix a native manglik, check the dozens of mangli

> > bhanga

> > > > > > yogas

> > > > > > > and then find another manglik and make the marriage

between

> > > > both

> > > > > > > auspicious.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings

> > > > > > > pandit arjun

> > > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- In

, " Sreenadh "

> > > > > > > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Kiran ji,

> > > > > > > > > I have observed that if both male and female

horoscope

> > has

> > > > > > same

> > > > > > > dosha

> > > > > > > > (e.g: Kuja dosha),

> > > > > > > > > then it gets cancelled.

> > > > > > > > I doubt that statement about your 'observation';

rather it

> > > > > > is a

> > > > > > > > logical 'belief'; Ask Sunil ji to clarify you will

get a

> > > > better

> > > > > > > picture.

> > > > > > > > I am not debating whether the results

gets 'cancelled' or

> > > > not -

> > > > > > > that the

> > > > > > > > people who experienced it having the same

combination will

> > > > > > clarify.

> > > > > > > > What I am stresssing is that, it is a

logical 'belief';

> > > > rather

> > > > > > than

> > > > > > > > something 'observed' by the people.

> > > > > > > > Hope this helps.

> > > > > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ,

Kiran R

> > > > > > > > <kiran.rama@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Good post Sunilji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I have observed that if both male and female

horoscope

> > has

> > > > > > same

> > > > > > > dosha

> > > > > > > > (e.g: Kuja dosha), then it gets cancelled. This is a

> > mystery

> > > > to

> > > > > > me

> > > > > > > as if

> > > > > > > > both have dosha both must suffer and have bad life.

How

> > does

> > > > > > dosha

> > > > > > > get

> > > > > > > > cancelled if it is present in both?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > > > > Kiran

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > hare rama krishna ,

> > > > > > > > > dear grp and memebrs .

> > > > > > > > > This is my post long back published in another grp

and

> > now

> > > > > > again

> > > > > > > many

> > > > > > > > requests happening in personal and grp mails i

thought of

> > re

> > > > > > > posting it

> > > > > > > > .

> > > > > > > > > actualy sreenadhji was discussing abt it some days

back

> > > > and i

> > > > > > > promised

> > > > > > > > him i will write and then do any modifications

required;

> > > > > > > > > so here is my post

> > > > > > > > > ==============

> > > > > > > > > In kerala and what i know generaly in south india

we

> > start

> > > > by

> > > > > > > > matchting the rasi in 10 ways like rasi,rasyaadhipa

(they

> > use

> > > > > > > differnet

> > > > > > > > than normal frndship concept),vasyam,ganam(nature

like

> > > > > > > > godly,demonly),yoni

(male /female),dinam,mahendra,stree

> > > > > > > > dergham(dooram),rejju and vedham these are 10 and

giving

> > > > each

> > > > > > one

> > > > > > > mark

> > > > > > > > and see if there is more marks and still rejju

> > (ayurvedic -

> > > > vata

> > > > > > > > ,pitta,kapha-i think)and vedha a must

> > > > > > > > > or u can use ashta koota methods prevalent in

north .

> > > > > > > > > Then we go for papa samya

> > > > > > > > > lagana(body),2nd(family and speech),4th house

(family

> > > > > > happiness

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > sukha stan),7th house (house of marriage ) ,8th house

> > > > (deergha

> > > > > > > mangala

> > > > > > > > stan and maraka place and house of money of partner)

and

> > 12

> > > > th

> > > > > > > house is

> > > > > > > > sayana sukha stan and house of expenditure------so

there

> > is

> > > > 6

> > > > > > places

> > > > > > > > > we see any malifics are there in above said places

from

> > > > > > > > LAGANA,MOON(MIND) AND VENUS (INDICATOR OF MARRIAGE

LIFE),

> > > > > > > > > some people will giv equal weightage to lagna and

moon

> > (as

> > > > > > > considered

> > > > > > > > 2nd lagan) venus less weightage as some r of the

opinion

> > > > that the

> > > > > > > > papatwa to venus cannot be remedied as a man with

loose

> > > > morals

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > girl

> > > > > > > > with equaly loose morals can not make good couples,

they

> > see

> > > > 4th

> > > > > > > and 8th

> > > > > > > > matching only,Only see if too much points venus is

gaining

> > > > esp

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > case of girl,it may boost immoral tendencies or deny

> > normal

> > > > > > family

> > > > > > > > happyness by giving separation or even illness--it

depends

> > > > on the

> > > > > > > > horoscope,

> > > > > > > > > papatwa is considered in decressing order

> > > > 8/7/4/12/2/1.Most

> > > > > > > malefic is

> > > > > > > > mars(planet of aggression and sudden actions),then

> > sani,then

> > > > > > > sun,rahu

> > > > > > > > finaly ketu,

> > > > > > > > > also giv some marks like mars-4/sani-3/sun-2/rah

and

> > ketu-

> > > > 1

> > > > > > also

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > lagana-5/2nd house2/4th house-3,7th house-4/8th

house-

> > 6/12th

> > > > > > house 1

> > > > > > > > > Again this we hav to see exceptions ,own house

> > > > > > debilataion ,means

> > > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > strenght can decrees the value and planet neecha or

moudya

> > > > > > (combust )

> > > > > > > > will get 100% value.Only aspect of benefics can

reduce the

> > > > > > effects

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > malifics will surely increase the effects.

> > > > > > > > > Main consideration while analysing----

> > > > > > > > > 1) Papa grahas should b some what equal position or

> > > > countering

> > > > > > > > position

> > > > > > > > > 2)If malefic is benefic from bhava concerned can

giv

> > > > reduction

> > > > > > > > > 3)if malefic is yoga karak again papatwa will be

reduced

> > > > > > > > > 4)see major dasa of papas has passed and see their

sub

> > > > period

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > the assessments

> > > > > > > > > 5)If lady having widowhood in horoscope match with

a

> > > > person

> > > > > > who

> > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > two marriage or wife marana yaga( death of wife )

> > > > > > > > > 6)Main considerations shud b given to 7th and 8th

> > position

> > > > of

> > > > > > > malefics

> > > > > > > > > 7)Then in mans horo papa( malefics ) should b in

7th

> > house

> > > > > > > > > 8)Even if in female horoscope papas( malefics) r

in 7th

> > > > and

> > > > > > > 8th,if a

> > > > > > > > strong benefic in 9th then it s solved automaticaly .

> > > > > > > > > AS---- navame shubha samyukte sapape aste

ashtamepi va

> > > > > > > > > pathi putra yuta nari modate natra samsaya

> > > > > > > > > 9)see if papa graha dasas coming immediatly after

> > marriage.

> > > > > > > > > 10)dasa santhi nirnayam

> > > > > > > > > see in both horoscopes same period dasa ends

within 6

> > > > months

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > years ends .See next dasa is maraka, or papa or weak

then

> > > > those

> > > > > > > > horoscopes shud not b matched

> > > > > > > > > same period dasa of enemy of lagna lord is

happening and

> > > > see

> > > > > > its

> > > > > > > > promise in the horoscope.

> > > > > > > > > same period dasa of mutualy enemys like sun in and

sani

> > in

> > > > > > > another or

> > > > > > > > rahu in one guru or venus and guru

> > > > > > > > > see the period of marakas in each horoscope and

should

> > not

> > > > run

> > > > > > > > together at one time

> > > > > > > > > Also ones maraka dasa and anothers weak dasa of 7th

> > lord or

> > > > > > > > karaka,like papayuta,papakartari,neecha etc should

not

> > > > happen at

> > > > > > > same

> > > > > > > > time.

> > > > > > > > > if malefics r in 8th house which can cause

vaidhavya

> > > > > > > (widowhood),see

> > > > > > > > the 8th lord and see in whose house he attained in

> > navamsa -

> > > > in

> > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > naisargika dasa can giv the effects.like moon within

a

> > > > year,mars

> > > > > > > within

> > > > > > > > two year sun 50years ,guru-18th years after marriage

> > > > > > > > > or it can giv in dasa of malefics in 8th house

> > > > > > > > > then santana chinta (progency) and prosperity and

yoga

> > > > chinta -

> > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > this all kinds of stuff frm two

horoscopes,longitivity

> > > > should b

> > > > > > > > calculated firstly before matchting

> > > > > > > > > then i hav see an elaborate prashna whether there

is

> > > > > > > daivaanukulyam

> > > > > > > > (wish of god ) for this union and see all kinds of

> > nimittas

> > > > and

> > > > > > > omens

> > > > > > > > > Now a days nimittas can happen only in villages

and in

> > > > towns

> > > > > > its

> > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > the discreation of astrologer to add or deduct

according

> > to

> > > > his

> > > > > > > > experience and reasoning power .

> > > > > > > > > all good omens like bringings of perfumes,sandal

and

> > > > > > > kumkum,somebody

> > > > > > > > is bringing mangal sutra,gold or new dress,married

ladies

> > or

> > > > > > couples

> > > > > > > > coming,seeing of astamangala materials,some come

> > > > singing,mangala

> > > > > > > dwani

> > > > > > > > like sankh(conch),bells ringing,cows

> > > > > > coming,elephant,royals,horses

> > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > are considerd good.

> > > > > > > > > some nimittas are bad which needs special attention

> > > > > > > > > seeing somebody puts his finger in some hole or in

> > > > > > nose /seeing

> > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > animals/birds mating --suddenly jyothishi can say not

> > > > > > reccommended

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > matching.(actualy i find all this depends on upasana

> > balam (

> > > > > > > spiritual

> > > > > > > > power ) of jyothishi)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I hope it can giv some what clear idea abt

matching and

> > > > see

> > > > > > its

> > > > > > > not a

> > > > > > > > Soft ware job .It needs a good calibre jyothishi and

who

> > > > learned

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > amnt of astro principles .

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair

> > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

> > > > > > > > >

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January 31, 2008

Dear Sreenadh,

Let's not mistakenly blame Jupiter for widowhood. 9th house has nothing to do with Mangalyam except that it is 2nd from 8th and hence a benefic in 9th augurs well for the longevity of the husband. Other details like luck etc are secondary things. Luck, wealth, fame etc can come through bad ways like insurance policies too. Jupiter as natural significator of 9th (Bhavakaraka) may not be that critical.

But when we consider 8th house malefics, there is no better antidote than Guru in 12th and as you may be knowing this is an important classical dictum that Jnana_Vrddhas adhere to in Kerala.

Jupiter can cause widowhood when Jupiter is lord of Navamsa Lagna weakly placed by debiliation or other factors. As lord of Lagna debiliated in Navamsa too, Jupiter can cause widowhood or separation (adverse to marital life).

Unless we learn to examine navamsa correctly along with a reliable timing technique like Vimsottari dasa, the truth of astrological basics cannot be well understood and we will end up blaming Jupiter. Remember that a "Yogamaraka" theory originated in the past based on the horoscope of Tagore who died in Rahu-Mars.

chandra hari

, "Sreenadh" <sreesog wrote:>> > Dear Chandrahari ji,> I apprecioate your view. But note that Jupiter is the lord of 9th> house in the natural horoscope. 9th house is considered as the house of> luck, and as a house providing good husband and children especially for> women. Being significator of male some even consider Jupiter as the> natural significator of husband - even though this argument is not wide> spread. So the point I would suggest is the - verification of results> from the known horoscopes. Apart from quoting the sloka, and pointing> to the possibility of a natural benefic giving inauspicious results, I> don't had any other intention. But now I feel that we can make it a> point of research, so that it can be confirmed or negated based on known> charts with the same combination.> Note: Those who provide the charts with Jupiter in 12th, please ensure> that the dasa of Jupiter already happened that too after marriage in> those horoscopes.> Love and regards,> Sreenadh> , "chandra_hari18"> chandra_hari18@ wrote:> >> > Dear Friends,> >> > Quoted above is absolute nonsense. Jupiter in the 12th is> > benevolnent for the 8th house of Mangalyam because of Jupiter's> > beneficial full aspect on the 9th house. 12th house Jupiter is a> > kind of antidote even for dire malefics in the 8th house. So there> > is no question of 12th house Jupiter causing widowhood.> >> > chandra hari> >> >> > , Kiran R> > kiran.rama@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sreenadhji,> > >> > > "Jupiter in 12th house may make a woman a widow" - This does not> > hold good if Jupiter is in own house or exalted - and even if in> > 12th house, it can cause widowhood only in its dasa.> > >> > > That is the problem today with mechanical interpretation of> > slokas - The exceptions are usually in a sloka at the end of 2> > succeeding chapters !!!> > >> > > Regards> > > Kiran> > >> > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote: Dear> > Arjun ji,> > > ==>> > > > if a native has an exalted benefic planet> > > > in su or swasthana with no negative affliction and his mahadasa> > is> > > > running, the native shall get good results but if sadesathi is> > > > running, the native does not enjoy the good results and rather> > > > witness some negative results.> > > <==> > > True. > > > ==>> > > > regarding the mangal dosha, the mail i wrote was only for> > theoretical> > > > knowledge of the members as to how the hype was made out of it.> > > <==> > > I agree with you. But still would say that definitely badly> > placed Malefics will give inauspicious results for sure. Why> > malefics alone, even natural benefics can give many inauspicious> > results. For example -> > > Ande gurur hi Vidhavam, dinakrit daridram> > > Chandro dhana vyayakara kuladam cha rahuH> > > (Sthri Jatakam)> > > Meaning, if Jupiter is in 12th house the woman may become a> > widow; if Sun is in 12th house the woman may become penniless; if> > Moon in 12th there could be much expence; if Rahu in 12th house the> > women may cause bad name for her family.> > > Note that all these results manifest ONLY IF the dasa also> > matches. If Jupiter in 7th in Capricorn for Cancer lagna, the same> > can cause death of wife/husband in its dasa. If Jupiter or Venus is> > in 8th from lagna for an women the chances for abortion is high. So> > in matching what should be considered - the position of the malefics> > (like Mars) alone or the specific results indicated by the various> > (benefic and malefic) planets? This is the point one should> > meditate upon if they are approaching astrology sincerely and> > systematically. I agree with you to a great extend - and feel that> > from two different perspectives, you and Sunil ji are presenting one> > and the same point.> > > Love and regards,> > > Sreenadh> > >> > > , "panditarjun2004"> > <panditarjun2004@> wrote:> > > >> > > > dear kiranji> > > >> > > > astrology in olden days even with all these 1001 principles and> > > > exceptions used to be a simple job for the traditionally learnt> > > > people but with the computer revolution making a hundred page> > > > comprehensive astro analysis at the click of a button and each> > page> > > > giving an ambivalent view, the native gets confused with the> > > > conflicting reports from each section. the astrologer has to> > spend> > > > lot of time in seeing, checking, overseeing all areas and then> > come> > > > to a cohesive conclusion. if a native has an exalted benefic> > planet> > > > in su or swasthana with no negative affliction and his mahadasa> > is> > > > running, the native shall get good results but if sadesathi is> > > > running, the native does not enjoy the good results and rather> > > > witness some negative results.> > > >> > > > once i could not find any reason for the various sufferings of> > the> > > > native and then i asked him to check whether his brother has> > mars in> > > > the 8th house and then he confirmed it. so sometimes even just> > > > checking the individual chart is not sufficient as other charts> > too> > > > have vicarious impact.> > > >> > > > regarding the mangal dosha, the mail i wrote was only for> > theoretical> > > > knowledge of the members as to how the hype was made out of it.> > > >> > > > with best wishes and blessings> > > > pandit arjun> > > >> > > > , Kiran R> > > > kiran.rama@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Well said Panditji....> > > > >> > > > > samya will not work in all cases -> > > > > Samya is usually done for 1, 2, 4, 7, 8, 12 houses for> > marriage -> > > > logic being 7th is spouse, 8th is sustenance of marriage, 4th is> > > > sukha, 2nd is kutumba, 12th is pleasure and 1st is native himself> > > > >> > > > > Suppose X has 2nd lord in dustana and malefic in 2nd house -> > he is> > > > going to have problems in earned wealth - if he marries another> > girl> > > > with 2nd lord in dustana/malefic in 2nd house - both will> > > > have "Daridrathana"> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > I think it makes sense logically for a person who has a bad> > 2nd> > > > house to look to marry someone with good 2nd house so that it> > gets> > > > cancelled - and same logic to all houses as well> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Regarding doshas, mere presence of malefic in 1,2,4,7,8,12> > houses> > > > does not cause papatwa - what if the house lord is in sustana?> > There> > > > can be benefic aspecting the house? the malefic planet dasa> > maybe> > > > over? the malefic maybe lord of two sustanas...etc> > > > >> > > > > So maybe a better idea to judge all the houses and come to> > > > conclusion> > > > >> > > > > panditarjun2004 panditarjun2004@> > > > wrote: dear friends> > > > >> > > > > this mangal dosha is purportedly caused by merely mars finding> > a> > > > > place in 1,2,4,7,8,12 houses (half of the houses) that too> > seen> > > > from> > > > > lagna, moon and some say even from venus. some states in india> > do> > > > > not reckon 2nd house and similarly some astrologers dont see> > mars> > > > in> > > > > these houses from chandra and sukra to brand a native manglik.> > > > >> > > > > there are more than a dozen rules where this so called mangli> > yoga> > > > > gets nullified through a mangli bhang yoga.> > > > >> > > > > no ancient classic has any yoga by this name and the genesis> > of> > > > this> > > > > yoga lies in the individual narration of how mars gives> > results> > > > when> > > > > placed in the houses 1,4,7,8,12. if any astrologer reads> > > > carefully> > > > > the entire probable dispositions of mars in these houses in> > > > speicific> > > > > relation to marriage, we find only 7,8,12 house placed mars> > giving> > > > > some problems and not the other houses especially the> > vaidhavya> > > > yoga.> > > > >> > > > > logically kiranji's observation is valid that two wrongs cant> > make> > > > a> > > > > right. a completely blind man marrying a completely blind> > woman> > > > does> > > > > not remove their blindness and let them see the world. on a> > > > positive> > > > > side, if the mars placement in a male chart suggests that the> > man> > > > is> > > > > a womaniser, he would find good company in marrying a woman> > with> > > > > similar yoga in her chart as both are broadminded!> > > > >> > > > > in all matrimonial websites and advertisements mangliks> > > > specifically> > > > > search only for mangliks thinking that both are made for each> > > > other> > > > > or both are best compatible to each other.> > > > >> > > > > the much hyped verse "lagne vyayecha patale jamitrech ashtame> > > > kuje,> > > > > kanya bhartru vinashaya, bharta kanya vinashakrut" does not> > allow> > > > a> > > > > manglik to marry another manglik as it is internecine for both.> > > > >> > > > > but two more verses appeared in modern astrology texts (not> > > > ancient,> > > > > not even medieval) that says as follows:> > > > >> > > > > kuja doshvatri deya kuja doshavate kila:> > > > > nadista dosho na chanista dampatyo sukhavardhana.> > > > >> > > > > this verse says that if one manglik marries another manglik,> > > > mangal> > > > > does not do any evil and rather both enjoy love and happiness.> > > > >> > > > > bhauma tulyo yada bhauma, paapo va tadvasho bhavet> > > > > udvaha subhada prokta chiraayu putra pautrada.> > > > >> > > > > this verse says that if a man's chart has a malefic mars and> > if> > > > the> > > > > woman's chart has similar malefic mars or another malefic> > planet> > > > in> > > > > equal proportion, marriage between both is auspicious.> > > > >> > > > > astrologers have been given so many choicest sholkas from> > books to> > > > > first fix a native manglik, check the dozens of mangli bhanga> > > > yogas> > > > > and then find another manglik and make the marriage between> > both> > > > > auspicious.> > > > >> > > > > with best wishes and blessings> > > > > pandit arjun> > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com> > > > >> > > > > , "Sreenadh"> > > > > <sreesog@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Kiran ji,> > > > > > > I have observed that if both male and female horoscope has> > > > same> > > > > dosha> > > > > > (e.g: Kuja dosha),> > > > > > > then it gets cancelled.> > > > > > I doubt that statement about your 'observation'; rather it> > > > is a> > > > > > logical 'belief'; Ask Sunil ji to clarify you will get a> > better> > > > > picture.> > > > > > I am not debating whether the results gets 'cancelled' or> > not -> > > > > that the> > > > > > people who experienced it having the same combination will> > > > clarify.> > > > > > What I am stresssing is that, it is a logical 'belief';> > rather> > > > than> > > > > > something 'observed' by the people.> > > > > > Hope this helps.> > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > >> > > > > > , Kiran R> > > > > > <kiran.rama@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Good post Sunilji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I have observed that if both male and female horoscope has> > > > same> > > > > dosha> > > > > > (e.g: Kuja dosha), then it gets cancelled. This is a mystery> > to> > > > me> > > > > as if> > > > > > both have dosha both must suffer and have bad life. How does> > > > dosha> > > > > get> > > > > > cancelled if it is present in both?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Thanks> > > > > > > Kiran> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > hare rama krishna ,> > > > > > > dear grp and memebrs .> > > > > > > This is my post long back published in another grp and now> > > > again> > > > > many> > > > > > requests happening in personal and grp mails i thought of re> > > > > posting it> > > > > > .> > > > > > > actualy sreenadhji was discussing abt it some days back> > and i> > > > > promised> > > > > > him i will write and then do any modifications required;> > > > > > > so here is my post> > > > > > > ==============> > > > > > > In kerala and what i know generaly in south india we start> > by> > > > > > matchting the rasi in 10 ways like rasi,rasyaadhipa(they use> > > > > differnet> > > > > > than normal frndship concept),vasyam,ganam(nature like> > > > > > godly,demonly),yoni(male /female),dinam,mahendra,stree> > > > > > dergham(dooram),rejju and vedham these are 10 and giving> > each> > > > one> > > > > mark> > > > > > and see if there is more marks and still rejju (ayurvedic -> > vata> > > > > > ,pitta,kapha-i think)and vedha a must> > > > > > > or u can use ashta koota methods prevalent in north .> > > > > > > Then we go for papa samya> > > > > > > lagana(body),2nd(family and speech),4th house (family> > > > happiness> > > > > and> > > > > > sukha stan),7th house (house of marriage ) ,8th house> > (deergha> > > > > mangala> > > > > > stan and maraka place and house of money of partner) and 12> > th> > > > > house is> > > > > > sayana sukha stan and house of expenditure------so there is> > 6> > > > places> > > > > > > we see any malifics are there in above said places from> > > > > > LAGANA,MOON(MIND) AND VENUS (INDICATOR OF MARRIAGE LIFE),> > > > > > > some people will giv equal weightage to lagna and moon (as> > > > > considered> > > > > > 2nd lagan) venus less weightage as some r of the opinion> > that the> > > > > > papatwa to venus cannot be remedied as a man with loose> > morals> > > > and> > > > > girl> > > > > > with equaly loose morals can not make good couples, they see> > 4th> > > > > and 8th> > > > > > matching only,Only see if too much points venus is gaining> > esp> > > > in> > > > > the> > > > > > case of girl,it may boost immoral tendencies or deny normal> > > > family> > > > > > happyness by giving separation or even illness--it depends> > on the> > > > > > horoscope,> > > > > > > papatwa is considered in decressing order> > 8/7/4/12/2/1.Most> > > > > malefic is> > > > > > mars(planet of aggression and sudden actions),then sani,then> > > > > sun,rahu> > > > > > finaly ketu,> > > > > > > also giv some marks like mars-4/sani-3/sun-2/rah and ketu-> > 1> > > > also> > > > > in> > > > > > lagana-5/2nd house2/4th house-3,7th house-4/8th house-6/12th> > > > house 1> > > > > > > Again this we hav to see exceptions ,own house> > > > debilataion ,means> > > > > good> > > > > > strenght can decrees the value and planet neecha or moudya> > > > (combust )> > > > > > will get 100% value.Only aspect of benefics can reduce the> > > > effects> > > > > and> > > > > > malifics will surely increase the effects.> > > > > > > Main consideration while analysing----> > > > > > > 1) Papa grahas should b some what equal position or> > countering> > > > > > position> > > > > > > 2)If malefic is benefic from bhava concerned can giv> > reduction> > > > > > > 3)if malefic is yoga karak again papatwa will be reduced> > > > > > > 4)see major dasa of papas has passed and see their sub> > period> > > > and> > > > > do> > > > > > the assessments> > > > > > > 5)If lady having widowhood in horoscope match with a> > person> > > > who> > > > > has> > > > > > two marriage or wife marana yaga( death of wife )> > > > > > > 6)Main considerations shud b given to 7th and 8th position> > of> > > > > malefics> > > > > > > 7)Then in mans horo papa( malefics ) should b in 7th house> > > > > > > 8)Even if in female horoscope papas( malefics) r in 7th> > and> > > > > 8th,if a> > > > > > strong benefic in 9th then it s solved automaticaly .> > > > > > > AS---- navame shubha samyukte sapape aste ashtamepi va> > > > > > > pathi putra yuta nari modate natra samsaya> > > > > > > 9)see if papa graha dasas coming immediatly after marriage.> > > > > > > 10)dasa santhi nirnayam> > > > > > > see in both horoscopes same period dasa ends within 6> > months> > > > to> > > > > one> > > > > > years ends .See next dasa is maraka, or papa or weak then> > those> > > > > > horoscopes shud not b matched> > > > > > > same period dasa of enemy of lagna lord is happening and> > see> > > > its> > > > > > promise in the horoscope.> > > > > > > same period dasa of mutualy enemys like sun in and sani in> > > > > another or> > > > > > rahu in one guru or venus and guru> > > > > > > see the period of marakas in each horoscope and should not> > run> > > > > > together at one time> > > > > > > Also ones maraka dasa and anothers weak dasa of 7th lord or> > > > > > karaka,like papayuta,papakartari,neecha etc should not> > happen at> > > > > same> > > > > > time.> > > > > > > if malefics r in 8th house which can cause vaidhavya> > > > > (widowhood),see> > > > > > the 8th lord and see in whose house he attained in navamsa -> > in> > > > his> > > > > > naisargika dasa can giv the effects.like moon within a> > year,mars> > > > > within> > > > > > two year sun 50years ,guru-18th years after marriage> > > > > > > or it can giv in dasa of malefics in 8th house> > > > > > > then santana chinta (progency) and prosperity and yoga> > chinta -> > > > > like> > > > > > this all kinds of stuff frm two horoscopes,longitivity> > should b> > > > > > calculated firstly before matchting> > > > > > > then i hav see an elaborate prashna whether there is> > > > > daivaanukulyam> > > > > > (wish of god ) for this union and see all kinds of nimittas> > and> > > > > omens> > > > > > > Now a days nimittas can happen only in villages and in> > towns> > > > its> > > > > at> > > > > > the discreation of astrologer to add or deduct according to> > his> > > > > > experience and reasoning power .> > > > > > > all good omens like bringings of perfumes,sandal and> > > > > kumkum,somebody> > > > > > is bringing mangal sutra,gold or new dress,married ladies or> > > > couples> > > > > > coming,seeing of astamangala materials,some come> > singing,mangala> > > > > dwani> > > > > > like sankh(conch),bells ringing,cows> > > > coming,elephant,royals,horses> > > > > all> > > > > > are considerd good.> > > > > > > some nimittas are bad which needs special attention> > > > > > > seeing somebody puts his finger in some hole or in> > > > nose /seeing> > > > > some> > > > > > animals/birds mating --suddenly jyothishi can say not> > > > reccommended> > > > > for> > > > > > matching.(actualy i find all this depends on upasana balam (> > > > > spiritual> > > > > > power ) 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January 31, 2008

Dear friend,

Native got married in Guru dasa-Sukra bhukti which was up to 18 June 2006. See that Sukra is 7th lord in 12th along with Jupiter. I see no adverse role of Jupiter in the chart.

Delay can be explained by - (1) Mars in Chandra Lagna (2) Sun in Lagna (3) Malefics in the 8th in Navamsa (4) 8th Lord in Lagna etc. Apparently the case may be known as first marriage in June 2006 but there can be broken engagements earlier in the dasa of Rahu of 4th and in the beginning of Jupiter who is 5th lord in the company of Venus, the 7th lord. Jupiter and Venus in 12th in this case is a combination that may have caused some serious failure in romance and anguish. 5th house is sandwiched between malefics also may be noted.

Jupiter by being in the 12th has caused no specific dosham here.

chandra hari

, "nameisego" <nameisego wrote:>> Friends,> > I have a chart of a female jathaka with Guru in 12th which is Shayya > Sukha sthana. > Bhava Nasha Karo Jeeva dictum is being discussed here .> This girl got married in 37th year .She got married in June 2006.in > Guru dasa.> Guru in 12th can also result in delayed/failed marriage.> > Female> DOB...25th Nov 1970> TOB....7.45 am> POB....Bangalore> > Tatvam-Asi> > , "Sreenadh" > sreesog@ wrote:> >> > > > Dear Chandrahari ji,> > I apprecioate your view. But note that Jupiter is the lord of > 9th> > house in the natural horoscope. 9th house is considered as the > house of> > luck, and as a house providing good husband and children especially > for> > women. Being significator of male some even consider Jupiter as > the> > natural significator of husband - even though this argument is not > wide> > spread. So the point I would suggest is the - verification of > results> > from the known horoscopes. Apart from quoting the sloka, and > pointing> > to the possibility of a natural benefic giving inauspicious > results, I> > don't had any other intention. But now I feel that we can make it a> > point of research, so that it can be confirmed or negated based on > known> > charts with the same combination.> > Note: Those who provide the charts with Jupiter in 12th, please > ensure> > that the dasa of Jupiter already happened that too after marriage in> > those horoscopes.> > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> > , "chandra_hari18"> > <chandra_hari18@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Friends,> > >> > > Quoted above is absolute nonsense. Jupiter in the 12th is> > > benevolnent for the 8th house of Mangalyam because of Jupiter's> > > beneficial full aspect on the 9th house. 12th house Jupiter is a> > > kind of antidote even for dire malefics in the 8th house. So there> > > is no question of 12th house Jupiter causing widowhood.> > >> > > chandra hari> > >> > >> > > , Kiran R> > > kiran.rama@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Sreenadhji,> > > >> > > > "Jupiter in 12th house may make a woman a widow" - This does not> > > hold good if Jupiter is in own house or exalted - and even if in> > > 12th house, it can cause widowhood only in its dasa.> > > >> > > > That is the problem today with mechanical interpretation of> > > slokas - The exceptions are usually in a sloka at the end of 2> > > succeeding chapters !!!> > > >> > > > Regards> > > > Kiran> > > >> > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote: Dear> > > Arjun ji,> > > > ==>> > > > > if a native has an exalted benefic planet> > > > > in su or swasthana with no negative affliction and his > mahadasa> > > is> > > > > running, the native shall get good results but if sadesathi is> > > > > running, the native does not enjoy the good results and rather> > > > > witness some negative results.> > > > <==> > > > True. > > > > ==>> > > > > regarding the mangal dosha, the mail i wrote was only for> > > theoretical> > > > > knowledge of the members as to how the hype was made out of > it.> > > > <==> > > > I agree with you. But still would say that definitely > badly> > > placed Malefics will give inauspicious results for sure. Why> > > malefics alone, even natural benefics can give many inauspicious> > > results. For example -> > > > Ande gurur hi Vidhavam, dinakrit daridram> > > > Chandro dhana vyayakara kuladam cha rahuH> > > > (Sthri Jatakam)> > > > Meaning, if Jupiter is in 12th house the woman may become a> > > widow; if Sun is in 12th house the woman may become penniless; if> > > Moon in 12th there could be much expence; if Rahu in 12th house > the> > > women may cause bad name for her family.> > > > Note that all these results manifest ONLY IF the dasa also> > > matches. If Jupiter in 7th in Capricorn for Cancer lagna, the > same> > > can cause death of wife/husband in its dasa. If Jupiter or Venus > is> > > in 8th from lagna for an women the chances for abortion is high. > So> > > in matching what should be considered - the position of the > malefics> > > (like Mars) alone or the specific results indicated by the various> > > (benefic and malefic) planets? This is the point one should> > > meditate upon if they are approaching astrology sincerely and> > > systematically. I agree with you to a great extend - and feel that> > > from two different perspectives, you and Sunil ji are presenting > one> > > and the same point.> > > > Love and regards,> > > > Sreenadh> > > >> > > > > , "panditarjun2004"> > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > dear kiranji> > > > >> > > > > astrology in olden days even with all these 1001 principles > and> > > > > exceptions used to be a simple job for the traditionally > learnt> > > > > people but with the computer revolution making a hundred page> > > > > comprehensive astro analysis at the click of a button and each> > > page> > > > > giving an ambivalent view, the native gets confused with the> > > > > conflicting reports from each section. the astrologer has to> > > spend> > > > > lot of time in seeing, checking, overseeing all areas and then> > > come> > > > > to a cohesive conclusion. if a native has an exalted benefic> > > planet> > > > > in su or swasthana with no negative affliction and his > mahadasa> > > is> > > > > running, the native shall get good results but if sadesathi is> > > > > running, the native does not enjoy the good results and rather> > > > > witness some negative results.> > > > >> > > > > once i could not find any reason for the various sufferings of> > > the> > > > > native and then i asked him to check whether his brother has> > > mars in> > > > > the 8th house and then he confirmed it. so sometimes even just> > > > > checking the individual chart is not sufficient as other > charts> > > too> > > > > have vicarious impact.> > > > >> > > > > regarding the mangal dosha, the mail i wrote was only for> > > theoretical> > > > > knowledge of the members as to how the hype was made out of > it.> > > > >> > > > > with best wishes and blessings> > > > > pandit arjun> > > > >> > > > > , Kiran R> > > > > kiran.rama@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Well said Panditji....> > > > > >> > > > > > samya will not work in all cases -> > > > > > Samya is usually done for 1, 2, 4, 7, 8, 12 houses for> > > marriage -> > > > > logic being 7th is spouse, 8th is sustenance of marriage, 4th > is> > > > > sukha, 2nd is kutumba, 12th is pleasure and 1st is native > himself> > > > > >> > > > > > Suppose X has 2nd lord in dustana and malefic in 2nd house -> > > he is> > > > > going to have problems in earned wealth - if he marries > another> > > girl> > > > > with 2nd lord in dustana/malefic in 2nd house - both will> > > > > have "Daridrathana"> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > I think it makes sense logically for a person who has a bad> > > 2nd> > > > > house to look to marry someone with good 2nd house so that it> > > gets> > > > > cancelled - and same logic to all houses as well> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Regarding doshas, mere presence of malefic in 1,2,4,7,8,12> > > houses> > > > > does not cause papatwa - what if the house lord is in sustana?> > > There> > > > > can be benefic aspecting the house? the malefic planet dasa> > > maybe> > > > > over? the malefic maybe lord of two sustanas...etc> > > > > >> > > > > > So maybe a better idea to judge all the houses and come to> > > > > conclusion> > > > > >> > > > > > panditarjun2004 panditarjun2004@> > > > > wrote: dear friends> > > > > >> > > > > > this mangal dosha is purportedly caused by merely mars > finding> > > a> > > > > > place in 1,2,4,7,8,12 houses (half of the houses) that too> > > seen> > > > > from> > > > > > lagna, moon and some say even from venus. some states in > india> > > do> > > > > > not reckon 2nd house and similarly some astrologers dont see> > > mars> > > > > in> > > > > > these houses from chandra and sukra to brand a native > manglik.> > > > > >> > > > > > there are more than a dozen rules where this so called > mangli> > > yoga> > > > > > gets nullified through a mangli bhang yoga.> > > > > >> > > > > > no ancient classic has any yoga by this name and the genesis> > > of> > > > > this> > > > > > yoga lies in the individual narration of how mars gives> > > results> > > > > when> > > > > > placed in the houses 1,4,7,8,12. if any astrologer reads> > > > > carefully> > > > > > the entire probable dispositions of mars in these houses in> > > > > speicific> > > > > > relation to marriage, we find only 7,8,12 house placed mars> > > giving> > > > > > some problems and not the other houses especially the> > > vaidhavya> > > > > yoga.> > > > > >> > > > > > logically kiranji's observation is valid that two wrongs > cant> > > make> > > > > a> > > > > > right. a completely blind man marrying a completely blind> > > woman> > > > > does> > > > > > not remove their blindness and let them see the world. on a> > > > > positive> > > > > > side, if the mars placement in a male chart suggests that > the> > > man> > > > > is> > > > > > a womaniser, he would find good company in marrying a woman> > > with> > > > > > similar yoga in her chart as both are broadminded!> > > > > >> > > > > > in all matrimonial websites and advertisements mangliks> > > > > specifically> > > > > > search only for mangliks thinking that both are made for > each> > > > > other> > > > > > or both are best compatible to each other.> > > > > >> > > > > > the much hyped verse "lagne vyayecha patale jamitrech > ashtame> > > > > kuje,> > > > > > kanya bhartru vinashaya, bharta kanya vinashakrut" does not> > > allow> > > > > a> > > > > > manglik to marry another manglik as it is internecine for > both.> > > > > >> > > > > > but two more verses appeared in modern astrology texts (not> > > > > ancient,> > > > > > not even medieval) that says as follows:> > > > > >> > > > > > kuja doshvatri deya kuja doshavate kila:> > > > > > nadista dosho na chanista dampatyo sukhavardhana.> > > > > >> > > > > > this verse says that if one manglik marries another manglik,> > > > > mangal> > > > > > does not do any evil and rather both enjoy love and > happiness.> > > > > >> > > > > > bhauma tulyo yada bhauma, paapo va tadvasho bhavet> > > > > > udvaha subhada prokta chiraayu putra pautrada.> > > > > >> > > > > > this verse says that if a man's chart has a malefic mars and> > > if> > > > > the> > > > > > woman's chart has similar malefic mars or another malefic> > > planet> > > > > in> > > > > > equal proportion, marriage between both is auspicious.> > > > > >> > > > > > astrologers have been given so many choicest sholkas from> > > books to> > > > > > first fix a native manglik, check the dozens of mangli > bhanga> > > > > yogas> > > > > > and then find another manglik and make the marriage between> > > both> > > > > > auspicious.> > > > > >> > > > > > with best wishes and blessings> > > > > > pandit arjun> > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com> > > > > >> > > > > > , "Sreenadh"> > > > > > <sreesog@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Kiran ji,> > > > > > > > I have observed that if both male and female horoscope > has> > > > > same> > > > > > dosha> > > > > > > (e.g: Kuja dosha),> > > > > > > > then it gets cancelled.> > > > > > > I doubt that statement about your 'observation'; rather it> > > > > is a> > > > > > > logical 'belief'; Ask Sunil ji to clarify you will get a> > > better> > > > > > picture.> > > > > > > I am not debating whether the results gets 'cancelled' or> > > not -> > > > > > that the> > > > > > > people who experienced it having the same combination will> > > > > clarify.> > > > > > > What I am stresssing is that, it is a logical 'belief';> > > rather> > > > > than> > > > > > > something 'observed' by the people.> > > > > > > Hope this helps.> > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > >> > > > > > > , Kiran R> > > > > > > <kiran.rama@> wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Good post Sunilji,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I have observed that if both male and female horoscope > has> > > > > same> > > > > > dosha> > > > > > > (e.g: Kuja dosha), then it gets cancelled. This is a > mystery> > > to> > > > > me> > > > > > as if> > > > > > > both have dosha both must suffer and have bad life. How > does> > > > > dosha> > > > > > get> > > > > > > cancelled if it is present in both?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Thanks> > > > > > > > Kiran> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > hare rama krishna ,> > > > > > > > dear grp and memebrs .> > > > > > > > This is my post long back published in another grp and > now> > > > > again> > > > > > many> > > > > > > requests happening in personal and grp mails i thought of > re> > > > > > posting it> > > > > > > .> > > > > > > > actualy sreenadhji was discussing abt it some days back> > > and i> > > > > > promised> > > > > > > him i will write and then do any modifications required;> > > > > > > > so here is my post> > > > > > > > ==============> > > > > > > > In kerala and what i know generaly in south india we > start> > > by> > > > > > > matchting the rasi in 10 ways like rasi,rasyaadhipa(they > use> > > > > > differnet> > > > > > > than normal frndship concept),vasyam,ganam(nature like> > > > > > > godly,demonly),yoni(male /female),dinam,mahendra,stree> > > > > > > dergham(dooram),rejju and vedham these are 10 and giving> > > each> > > > > one> > > > > > mark> > > > > > > and see if there is more marks and still rejju > (ayurvedic -> > > vata> > > > > > > ,pitta,kapha-i think)and vedha a must> > > > > > > > or u can use ashta koota methods prevalent in north .> > > > > > > > Then we go for papa samya> > > > > > > > lagana(body),2nd(family and speech),4th house (family> > > > > happiness> > > > > > and> > > > > > > sukha stan),7th house (house of marriage ) ,8th house> > > (deergha> > > > > > mangala> > > > > > > stan and maraka place and house of money of partner) and > 12> > > th> > > > > > house is> > > > > > > sayana sukha stan and house of expenditure------so there > is> > > 6> > > > > places> > > > > > > > we see any malifics are there in above said places from> > > > > > > LAGANA,MOON(MIND) AND VENUS (INDICATOR OF MARRIAGE LIFE),> > > > > > > > some people will giv equal weightage to lagna and moon > (as> > > > > > considered> > > > > > > 2nd lagan) venus less weightage as some r of the opinion> > > that the> > > > > > > papatwa to venus cannot be remedied as a man with loose> > > morals> > > > > and> > > > > > girl> > > > > > > with equaly loose morals can not make good couples, they > see> > > 4th> > > > > > and 8th> > > > > > > matching only,Only see if too much points venus is gaining> > > esp> > > > > in> > > > > > the> > > > > > > case of girl,it may boost immoral tendencies or deny > normal> > > > > family> > > > > > > happyness by giving separation or even illness--it depends> > > on the> > > > > > > horoscope,> > > > > > > > papatwa is considered in decressing order> > > 8/7/4/12/2/1.Most> > > > > > malefic is> > > > > > > mars(planet of aggression and sudden actions),then > sani,then> > > > > > sun,rahu> > > > > > > finaly ketu,> > > > > > > > also giv some marks like mars-4/sani-3/sun-2/rah and > ketu-> > > 1> > > > > also> > > > > > in> > > > > > > lagana-5/2nd house2/4th house-3,7th house-4/8th house-> 6/12th> > > > > house 1> > > > > > > > Again this we hav to see exceptions ,own house> > > > > debilataion ,means> > > > > > good> > > > > > > strenght can decrees the value and planet neecha or moudya> > > > > (combust )> > > > > > > will get 100% value.Only aspect of benefics can reduce the> > > > > effects> > > > > > and> > > > > > > malifics will surely increase the effects.> > > > > > > > Main consideration while analysing----> > > > > > > > 1) Papa grahas should b some what equal position or> > > countering> > > > > > > position> > > > > > > > 2)If malefic is benefic from bhava concerned can giv> > > reduction> > > > > > > > 3)if malefic is yoga karak again papatwa will be reduced> > > > > > > > 4)see major dasa of papas has passed and see their sub> > > period> > > > > and> > > > > > do> > > > > > > the assessments> > > > > > > > 5)If lady having widowhood in horoscope match with a> > > person> > > > > who> > > > > > has> > > > > > > two marriage or wife marana yaga( death of wife )> > > > > > > > 6)Main considerations shud b given to 7th and 8th > position> > > of> > > > > > malefics> > > > > > > > 7)Then in mans horo papa( malefics ) should b in 7th > house> > > > > > > > 8)Even if in female horoscope papas( malefics) r in 7th> > > and> > > > > > 8th,if a> > > > > > > strong benefic in 9th then it s solved automaticaly .> > > > > > > > AS---- navame shubha samyukte sapape aste ashtamepi va> > > > > > > > pathi putra yuta nari modate natra samsaya> > > > > > > > 9)see if papa graha dasas coming immediatly after > marriage.> > > > > > > > 10)dasa santhi nirnayam> > > > > > > > see in both horoscopes same period dasa ends within 6> > > months> > > > > to> > > > > > one> > > > > > > years ends .See next dasa is maraka, or papa or weak then> > > those> > > > > > > horoscopes shud not b matched> > > > > > > > same period dasa of enemy of lagna lord is happening and> > > see> > > > > its> > > > > > > promise in the horoscope.> > > > > > > > same period dasa of mutualy enemys like sun in and sani > in> > > > > > another or> > > > > > > rahu in one guru or venus and guru> > > > > > > > see the period of marakas in each horoscope and should > not> > > run> > > > > > > together at one time> > > > > > > > Also ones maraka dasa and anothers weak dasa of 7th > lord or> > > > > > > karaka,like papayuta,papakartari,neecha etc should not> > > happen at> > > > > > same> > > > > > > time.> > > > > > > > if malefics r in 8th house which can cause vaidhavya> > > > > > (widowhood),see> > > > > > > the 8th lord and see in whose house he attained in > navamsa -> > > in> > > > > his> > > > > > > naisargika dasa can giv the effects.like moon within a> > > year,mars> > > > > > within> > > > > > > two year sun 50years ,guru-18th years after marriage> > > > > > > > or it can giv in dasa of malefics in 8th house> > > > > > > > then santana chinta (progency) and prosperity and yoga> > > chinta -> > > > > > like> > > > > > > this all kinds of stuff frm two horoscopes,longitivity> > > should b> > > > > > > calculated firstly before matchting> > > > > > > > then i hav see an elaborate prashna whether there is> > > > > > daivaanukulyam> > > > > > > (wish of god ) for this union and see all kinds of > nimittas> > > and> > > > > > omens> > > > > > > > Now a days nimittas can happen only in villages and in> > > towns> > > > > its> > > > > > at> > > > > > > the discreation of astrologer to add or deduct according > to> > > his> > > > > > > experience and reasoning power .> > > > > > > > all good omens like bringings of perfumes,sandal and> > > > > > kumkum,somebody> > > > > > > is bringing mangal sutra,gold or new dress,married ladies > or> > > > > couples> > > > > > > coming,seeing of astamangala materials,some come> > > singing,mangala> > > > > > dwani> > > > > > > like sankh(conch),bells ringing,cows> > > > > coming,elephant,royals,horses> > > > > > all> > > > > > > are considerd good.> > > > > > > > some nimittas are bad which needs special attention> > > > > > > > seeing somebody puts his finger in some hole or in> > > > > nose /seeing> > > > > > some> > > > > > > animals/birds mating --suddenly jyothishi can say not> > > > > reccommended> > > > > > for> > > > > > > matching.(actualy i find all this depends on upasana > balam (> > > > > > spiritual> > > > > > > power ) of jyothishi)> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I hope it can giv some what clear idea abt matching and> > > see> > > > > its> > > > > > not a> > > > > > > Soft ware job .It needs a good calibre jyothishi and who> > > learned> > > > > a> > > > > > good> > > > > > > amnt of astro principles .> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 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January 31, 2008

dear friends,

There is no rule like "Bhaava-naasa karo Jeeva". Name Jeeva itself implies that Jupiter adds to life everywhere. Rule under which Jupiter is malefic is "Kaarako Bhaava naasayah" - Jupiter in the 5th gives putra-dukham. Jupiter in the 11 th deprives one of elder co-borns, usually males. This rule is general and applies to all Bhava-Kaarakas.

I am unable to quote the authority but I remember a rule that a planet in the 12th augurs well for its Kaarakatva. Venus in 12th good for Kalatram, Jupiter in 12th good for Kids, Sun in 12th good for father/King, Mercury in 12th good for Vidya...?

chandra hari

January 31, 2008

In the example given, Guru is in 12th as 8th lord. And also blame is cast on Guru taking the antara of Jupiter which may change with ayanamsa to Rahu antara itself. Despite being 8th lord in 12th Jupiter as a benefic occupying 12th did nothing bad and protected the Mangalyam during Rahu_Guru bhukti.

If as antara Lord Guru caused heart attack, why it did not cause widowhood as bhukti lord?

No ground at all exists to blame Jupiter.

chandra hari

, "renunw" <renunw wrote:>> Dear learned members,> > I have a female with Jupiter in 12H. Her Jupiter major period is yet > to come. But during Rahu/Rahu/Jupiter her husband had a stroke and > still he is an ivalid. She carries on her shoulders the household > burdens. Though the husband is alive...she is kind of a widow. > > Let me give you the birth details.> > August 11, 1952 @ 1.10 AM in Horana, Sri Lanka.> > blessings> Renu> > > , "sunil nair" > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> >> > > > > > > > Hare ramakrishana .> > > > dear tatvamasi ji .> > > > > > > > No i cant digest this adage jupiter destroys and sani protect > the sign> > or house .> > > > > > > > In this chart there is enough afflictions are there and only jup > dasa> > has given her marriage .U see the house ,karaka ,Lord scheme and > see how> > its afflicted or in papakartary also u can see that rahu in 4th > house> > .And her dasa after birth dasha was 6yrs some thing mars and then > rahu (> > ur favrite and same rahu dont giv marriage in its period so who is> > protecting and destroying houses also u can see that those who > follow> > rahu is owner of aqua scheme again rahu dont giv family happiness -> -if> > its owner of the house ) ,may be rahu can giv delay in education > or a> > lov failure .Then this jupiter period Has given the marriage .> > > > > > > > From moon also u can see it ,the relevent house in PKY .also see > from> > venus the karaka in 7th house sani is debilated .> > > > > > > > so delay for marriage is there and rite dasas also has operate .> > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah> > > > > >

January 31, 2008

Jupiter is karaka for 9th house (bhagya) which also stands one way

for the husband and children.

It is interesting that the same things of life can be interpreted in

different ways- 9th house stands for the bhagya (or happiness and

pleasures) that will be brought about by spouse and children whereas

the same spouse and children are also seen from UL, which stands for

what you owe them!

ie 9th and UL are two different facets of the same relationship.

why I am talking of Ul here is because UL is the Arudha of 12th house

which is the house under discusson here.

so, if Jupiter and 12th house are connected somehow, wht may be the effect?

One thing is certain- Jupiter can not cause seperation because Ul can

not fall in & th from itsel and hence, Jupiter is not the reasons for

seperation.

Whether it could be a reason for widowhood is a point to be seen and I

am not really convinced about it.

However, always remember for every combination, you can both positive

and negative interpretations regardless of other thins involved.

Kishore patnaik

On 1/31/08, chandra_hari18 <chandra_hari18 wrote:

> Dear Friends,

>

> Quoted above is absolute nonsense. Jupiter in the 12th is

> benevolnent for the 8th house of Mangalyam because of Jupiter's

> beneficial full aspect on the 9th house. 12th house Jupiter is a

> kind of antidote even for dire malefics in the 8th house. So there

> is no question of 12th house Jupiter causing widowhood.

>

> chandra hari

>

> , Kiran R

> <kiran.rama wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sreenadhji,

> >

> > " Jupiter in 12th house may make a woman a widow " - This does not

> hold good if Jupiter is in own house or exalted - and even if in

> 12th house, it can cause widowhood only in its dasa.

> >

> > That is the problem today with mechanical interpretation of

> slokas - The exceptions are usually in a sloka at the end of 2

> succeeding chapters !!!

> >

> > Regards

> > Kiran

> >

> > Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: Dear

> Arjun ji,

> > ==>

> > > if a native has an exalted benefic planet

> > > in su or swasthana with no negative affliction and his mahadasa

> is

> > > running, the native shall get good results but if sadesathi is

> > > running, the native does not enjoy the good results and rather

> > > witness some negative results.

> > <==

> > True.

> > ==>

> > > regarding the mangal dosha, the mail i wrote was only for

> theoretical

> > > knowledge of the members as to how the hype was made out of it.

> > <==

> > I agree with you. But still would say that definitely badly

> placed Malefics will give inauspicious results for sure. Why

> malefics alone, even natural benefics can give many inauspicious

> results. For example -

> > Ande gurur hi Vidhavam, dinakrit daridram

> > Chandro dhana vyayakara kuladam cha rahuH

> > (Sthri Jatakam)

> > Meaning, if Jupiter is in 12th house the woman may become a

> widow; if Sun is in 12th house the woman may become penniless; if

> Moon in 12th there could be much expence; if Rahu in 12th house the

> women may cause bad name for her family.

> > Note that all these results manifest ONLY IF the dasa also

> matches. If Jupiter in 7th in Capricorn for Cancer lagna, the same

> can cause death of wife/husband in its dasa. If Jupiter or Venus is

> in 8th from lagna for an women the chances for abortion is high. So

> in matching what should be considered - the position of the malefics

> (like Mars) alone or the specific results indicated by the various

> (benefic and malefic) planets? This is the point one should

> meditate upon if they are approaching astrology sincerely and

> systematically. I agree with you to a great extend - and feel that

> from two different perspectives, you and Sunil ji are presenting one

> and the same point.

> > Love and regards,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > , " panditarjun2004 "

> <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> > >

> > > dear kiranji

> > >

> > > astrology in olden days even with all these 1001 principles and

> > > exceptions used to be a simple job for the traditionally learnt

> > > people but with the computer revolution making a hundred page

> > > comprehensive astro analysis at the click of a button and each

> page

> > > giving an ambivalent view, the native gets confused with the

> > > conflicting reports from each section. the astrologer has to

> spend

> > > lot of time in seeing, checking, overseeing all areas and then

> come

> > > to a cohesive conclusion. if a native has an exalted benefic

> planet

> > > in su or swasthana with no negative affliction and his mahadasa

> is

> > > running, the native shall get good results but if sadesathi is

> > > running, the native does not enjoy the good results and rather

> > > witness some negative results.

> > >

> > > once i could not find any reason for the various sufferings of

> the

> > > native and then i asked him to check whether his brother has

> mars in

> > > the 8th house and then he confirmed it. so sometimes even just

> > > checking the individual chart is not sufficient as other charts

> too

> > > have vicarious impact.

> > >

> > > regarding the mangal dosha, the mail i wrote was only for

> theoretical

> > > knowledge of the members as to how the hype was made out of it.

> > >

> > > with best wishes and blessings

> > > pandit arjun

> > >

> > > , Kiran R

> > > kiran.rama@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Well said Panditji....

> > > >

> > > > samya will not work in all cases -

> > > > Samya is usually done for 1, 2, 4, 7, 8, 12 houses for

> marriage -

> > > logic being 7th is spouse, 8th is sustenance of marriage, 4th is

> > > sukha, 2nd is kutumba, 12th is pleasure and 1st is native himself

> > > >

> > > > Suppose X has 2nd lord in dustana and malefic in 2nd house -

> he is

> > > going to have problems in earned wealth - if he marries another

> girl

> > > with 2nd lord in dustana/malefic in 2nd house - both will

> > > have " Daridrathana "

> > > >

> > > > I think it makes sense logically for a person who has a bad

> 2nd

> > > house to look to marry someone with good 2nd house so that it

> gets

> > > cancelled - and same logic to all houses as well

> > > >

> > > > Regarding doshas, mere presence of malefic in 1,2,4,7,8,12

> houses

> > > does not cause papatwa - what if the house lord is in sustana?

> There

> > > can be benefic aspecting the house? the malefic planet dasa

> maybe

> > > over? the malefic maybe lord of two sustanas...etc

> > > >

> > > > So maybe a better idea to judge all the houses and come to

> > > conclusion

> > > >

> > > > panditarjun2004 panditarjun2004@

> > > wrote: dear friends

> > > >

> > > > this mangal dosha is purportedly caused by merely mars finding

> a

> > > > place in 1,2,4,7,8,12 houses (half of the houses) that too

> seen

> > > from

> > > > lagna, moon and some say even from venus. some states in india

> do

> > > > not reckon 2nd house and similarly some astrologers dont see

> mars

> > > in

> > > > these houses from chandra and sukra to brand a native manglik.

> > > >

> > > > there are more than a dozen rules where this so called mangli

> yoga

> > > > gets nullified through a mangli bhang yoga.

> > > >

> > > > no ancient classic has any yoga by this name and the genesis

> of

> > > this

> > > > yoga lies in the individual narration of how mars gives

> results

> > > when

> > > > placed in the houses 1,4,7,8,12. if any astrologer reads

> > > carefully

> > > > the entire probable dispositions of mars in these houses in

> > > speicific

> > > > relation to marriage, we find only 7,8,12 house placed mars

> giving

> > > > some problems and not the other houses especially the

> vaidhavya

> > > yoga.

> > > >

> > > > logically kiranji's observation is valid that two wrongs cant

> make

> > > a

> > > > right. a completely blind man marrying a completely blind

> woman

> > > does

> > > > not remove their blindness and let them see the world. on a

> > > positive

> > > > side, if the mars placement in a male chart suggests that the

> man

> > > is

> > > > a womaniser, he would find good company in marrying a woman

> with

> > > > similar yoga in her chart as both are broadminded!

> > > >

> > > > in all matrimonial websites and advertisements mangliks

> > > specifically

> > > > search only for mangliks thinking that both are made for each

> > > other

> > > > or both are best compatible to each other.

> > > >

> > > > the much hyped verse " lagne vyayecha patale jamitrech ashtame

> > > kuje,

> > > > kanya bhartru vinashaya, bharta kanya vinashakrut " does not

> allow

> > > a

> > > > manglik to marry another manglik as it is internecine for both.

> > > >

> > > > but two more verses appeared in modern astrology texts (not

> > > ancient,

> > > > not even medieval) that says as follows:

> > > >

> > > > kuja doshvatri deya kuja doshavate kila:

> > > > nadista dosho na chanista dampatyo sukhavardhana.

> > > >

> > > > this verse says that if one manglik marries another manglik,

> > > mangal

> > > > does not do any evil and rather both enjoy love and happiness.

> > > >

> > > > bhauma tulyo yada bhauma, paapo va tadvasho bhavet

> > > > udvaha subhada prokta chiraayu putra pautrada.

> > > >

> > > > this verse says that if a man's chart has a malefic mars and

> if

> > > the

> > > > woman's chart has similar malefic mars or another malefic

> planet

> > > in

> > > > equal proportion, marriage between both is auspicious.

> > > >

> > > > astrologers have been given so many choicest sholkas from

> books to

> > > > first fix a native manglik, check the dozens of mangli bhanga

> > > yogas

> > > > and then find another manglik and make the marriage between

> both

> > > > auspicious.

> > > >

> > > > with best wishes and blessings

> > > > pandit arjun

> > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com

> > > >

> > > > , " Sreenadh "

> > > > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Kiran ji,

> > > > > > I have observed that if both male and female horoscope has

> > > same

> > > > dosha

> > > > > (e.g: Kuja dosha),

> > > > > > then it gets cancelled.

> > > > > I doubt that statement about your 'observation'; rather it

> > > is a

> > > > > logical 'belief'; Ask Sunil ji to clarify you will get a

> better

> > > > picture.

> > > > > I am not debating whether the results gets 'cancelled' or

> not -

> > > > that the

> > > > > people who experienced it having the same combination will

> > > clarify.

> > > > > What I am stresssing is that, it is a logical 'belief';

> rather

> > > than

> > > > > something 'observed' by the people.

> > > > > Hope this helps.

> > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > >

> > > > > , Kiran R

> > > > > <kiran.rama@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Good post Sunilji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have observed that if both male and female horoscope has

> > > same

> > > > dosha

> > > > > (e.g: Kuja dosha), then it gets cancelled. This is a mystery

> to

> > > me

> > > > as if

> > > > > both have dosha both must suffer and have bad life. How does

> > > dosha

> > > > get

> > > > > cancelled if it is present in both?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > Kiran

> > > > > >

> > > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > hare rama krishna ,

> > > > > > dear grp and memebrs .

> > > > > > This is my post long back published in another grp and now

> > > again

> > > > many

> > > > > requests happening in personal and grp mails i thought of re

> > > > posting it

> > > > > .

> > > > > > actualy sreenadhji was discussing abt it some days back

> and i

> > > > promised

> > > > > him i will write and then do any modifications required;

> > > > > > so here is my post

> > > > > > ==============

> > > > > > In kerala and what i know generaly in south india we start

> by

> > > > > matchting the rasi in 10 ways like rasi,rasyaadhipa(they use

> > > > differnet

> > > > > than normal frndship concept),vasyam,ganam(nature like

> > > > > godly,demonly),yoni(male /female),dinam,mahendra,stree

> > > > > dergham(dooram),rejju and vedham these are 10 and giving

> each

> > > one

> > > > mark

> > > > > and see if there is more marks and still rejju (ayurvedic -

> vata

> > > > > ,pitta,kapha-i think)and vedha a must

> > > > > > or u can use ashta koota methods prevalent in north .

> > > > > > Then we go for papa samya

> > > > > > lagana(body),2nd(family and speech),4th house (family

> > > happiness

> > > > and

> > > > > sukha stan),7th house (house of marriage ) ,8th house

> (deergha

> > > > mangala

> > > > > stan and maraka place and house of money of partner) and 12

> th

> > > > house is

> > > > > sayana sukha stan and house of expenditure------so there is

> 6

> > > places

> > > > > > we see any malifics are there in above said places from

> > > > > LAGANA,MOON(MIND) AND VENUS (INDICATOR OF MARRIAGE LIFE),

> > > > > > some people will giv equal weightage to lagna and moon (as

> > > > considered

> > > > > 2nd lagan) venus less weightage as some r of the opinion

> that the

> > > > > papatwa to venus cannot be remedied as a man with loose

> morals

> > > and

> > > > girl

> > > > > with equaly loose morals can not make good couples, they see

> 4th

> > > > and 8th

> > > > > matching only,Only see if too much points venus is gaining

> esp

> > > in

> > > > the

> > > > > case of girl,it may boost immoral tendencies or deny normal

> > > family

> > > > > happyness by giving separation or even illness--it depends

> on the

> > > > > horoscope,

> > > > > > papatwa is considered in decressing order

> 8/7/4/12/2/1.Most

> > > > malefic is

> > > > > mars(planet of aggression and sudden actions),then sani,then

> > > > sun,rahu

> > > > > finaly ketu,

> > > > > > also giv some marks like mars-4/sani-3/sun-2/rah and ketu-

> 1

> > > also

> > > > in

> > > > > lagana-5/2nd house2/4th house-3,7th house-4/8th house-6/12th

> > > house 1

> > > > > > Again this we hav to see exceptions ,own house

> > > debilataion ,means

> > > > good

> > > > > strenght can decrees the value and planet neecha or moudya

> > > (combust )

> > > > > will get 100% value.Only aspect of benefics can reduce the

> > > effects

> > > > and

> > > > > malifics will surely increase the effects.

> > > > > > Main consideration while analysing----

> > > > > > 1) Papa grahas should b some what equal position or

> countering

> > > > > position

> > > > > > 2)If malefic is benefic from bhava concerned can giv

> reduction

> > > > > > 3)if malefic is yoga karak again papatwa will be reduced

> > > > > > 4)see major dasa of papas has passed and see their sub

> period

> > > and

> > > > do

> > > > > the assessments

> > > > > > 5)If lady having widowhood in horoscope match with a

> person

> > > who

> > > > has

> > > > > two marriage or wife marana yaga( death of wife )

> > > > > > 6)Main considerations shud b given to 7th and 8th position

> of

> > > > malefics

> > > > > > 7)Then in mans horo papa( malefics ) should b in 7th house

> > > > > > 8)Even if in female horoscope papas( malefics) r in 7th

> and

> > > > 8th,if a

> > > > > strong benefic in 9th then it s solved automaticaly .

> > > > > > AS---- navame shubha samyukte sapape aste ashtamepi va

> > > > > > pathi putra yuta nari modate natra samsaya

> > > > > > 9)see if papa graha dasas coming immediatly after marriage.

> > > > > > 10)dasa santhi nirnayam

> > > > > > see in both horoscopes same period dasa ends within 6

> months

> > > to

> > > > one

> > > > > years ends .See next dasa is maraka, or papa or weak then

> those

> > > > > horoscopes shud not b matched

> > > > > > same period dasa of enemy of lagna lord is happening and

> see

> > > its

> > > > > promise in the horoscope.

> > > > > > same period dasa of mutualy enemys like sun in and sani in

> > > > another or

> > > > > rahu in one guru or venus and guru

> > > > > > see the period of marakas in each horoscope and should not

> run

> > > > > together at one time

> > > > > > Also ones maraka dasa and anothers weak dasa of 7th lord or

> > > > > karaka,like papayuta,papakartari,neecha etc should not

> happen at

> > > > same

> > > > > time.

> > > > > > if malefics r in 8th house which can cause vaidhavya

> > > > (widowhood),see

> > > > > the 8th lord and see in whose house he attained in navamsa -

> in

> > > his

> > > > > naisargika dasa can giv the effects.like moon within a

> year,mars

> > > > within

> > > > > two year sun 50years ,guru-18th years after marriage

> > > > > > or it can giv in dasa of malefics in 8th house

> > > > > > then santana chinta (progency) and prosperity and yoga

> chinta -

> > > > like

> > > > > this all kinds of stuff frm two horoscopes,longitivity

> should b

> > > > > calculated firstly before matchting

> > > > > > then i hav see an elaborate prashna whether there is

> > > > daivaanukulyam

> > > > > (wish of god ) for this union and see all kinds of nimittas

> and

> > > > omens

> > > > > > Now a days nimittas can happen only in villages and in

> towns

> > > its

> > > > at

> > > > > the discreation of astrologer to add or deduct according to

> his

> > > > > experience and reasoning power .

> > > > > > all good omens like bringings of perfumes,sandal and

> > > > kumkum,somebody

> > > > > is bringing mangal sutra,gold or new dress,married ladies or

> > > couples

> > > > > coming,seeing of astamangala materials,some come

> singing,mangala

> > > > dwani

> > > > > like sankh(conch),bells ringing,cows

> > > coming,elephant,royals,horses

> > > > all

> > > > > are considerd good.

> > > > > > some nimittas are bad which needs special attention

> > > > > > seeing somebody puts his finger in some hole or in

> > > nose /seeing

> > > > some

> > > > > animals/birds mating --suddenly jyothishi can say not

> > > reccommended

> > > > for

> > > > > matching.(actualy i find all this depends on upasana balam (

> > > > spiritual

> > > > > power ) of jyothishi)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I hope it can giv some what clear idea abt matching and

> see

> > > its

> > > > not a

> > > > > Soft ware job .It needs a good calibre jyothishi and who

> learned

> > > a

> > > > good

> > > > > amnt of astro principles .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regrds sunil nair

> > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

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January 31, 2008

In this perticular chart, there are many negatives that can cause delay in marriage. They should not be overlooked: - 7th lord Venus occupies a dusthana (12th) in Rasi - 7th lord Mercury occupies a dusthana (12th) in Navamsha - Venus is retrograde Hence, it may not be appropriate to put the blame squarely on Jupiter. In spite of above negatives, the marriage took place in Jupiter MD. That is interesting. Regards, Krishna

January 31, 2008

dear friends

sunilji's analysis of the chart is correct. the specific native

referred by tatvamji has her 7th lord venus in 12th house which

caused the failure of previous proposals. but the positive thing is

that it is jupiter in 12th house which has helped this girl marries

albeit late and gave her the sayya sukham.

with best wishes and blessings

pandit arjun

, " sunil nair "

<astro_tellerkerala wrote:

>

> Hare ramakrishana .

>

> dear tatvamasi ji .

>

> No i cant digest this adage jupiter destroys and sani protect

the sign

> or house .

>

> In this chart there is enough afflictions are there and only jup

dasa

> has given her marriage .U see the house ,karaka ,Lord scheme and

see how

> its afflicted or in papakartary also u can see that rahu in 4th

house

> .And her dasa after birth dasha was 6yrs some thing mars and then

rahu (

> ur favrite and same rahu dont giv marriage in its period so who is

> protecting and destroying houses also u can see that those who

follow

> rahu is owner of aqua scheme again rahu dont giv family happiness --

if

> its owner of the house ) ,may be rahu can giv delay in education

or a

> lov failure .Then this jupiter period Has given the marriage .

>

> From moon also u can see it ,the relevent house in PKY .also see

from

> venus the karaka in 7th house sani is debilated .

>

> so delay for marriage is there and rite dasas also has operate .

>

> regrds sunil nair

>

> om shreem mahalaxmai namah

>

> , " nameisego "

> <nameisego@> wrote:

> >

> > Friends,

> >

> > I have a chart of a female jathaka with Guru in 12th which is

Shayya

> > Sukha sthana.

> > Bhava Nasha Karo Jeeva dictum is being discussed here .

> > This girl got married in 37th year .She got married in June

2006.in

> > Guru dasa.

> > Guru in 12th can also result in delayed/failed marriage.

> >

> > Female

> > DOB...25th Nov 1970

> > TOB....7.45 am

> > POB....Bangalore

> >

> > Tatvam-Asi

> >

> > , " Sreenadh "

> > sreesog@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Chandrahari ji,

> > > I apprecioate your view. But note that Jupiter is the lord of

> > 9th

> > > house in the natural horoscope. 9th house is considered as the

> > house of

> > > luck, and as a house providing good husband and children

especially

> > for

> > > women. Being significator of male some even consider Jupiter as

> > the

> > > natural significator of husband - even though this argument is

not

> > wide

> > > spread. So the point I would suggest is the - verification of

> > results

> > > from the known horoscopes. Apart from quoting the sloka, and

> > pointing

> > > to the possibility of a natural benefic giving inauspicious

> > results, I

> > > don't had any other intention. But now I feel that we can make

it a

> > > point of research, so that it can be confirmed or negated based

on

> > known

> > > charts with the same combination.

> > > Note: Those who provide the charts with Jupiter in 12th, please

> > ensure

> > > that the dasa of Jupiter already happened that too after

marriage in

> > > those horoscopes.

> > > Love and regards,

> > > Sreenadh

> > > --- In

, " chandra_hari18 "

> > > <chandra_hari18@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Friends,

> > > >

> > > > Quoted above is absolute nonsense. Jupiter in the 12th is

> > > > benevolnent for the 8th house of Mangalyam because of

Jupiter's

> > > > beneficial full aspect on the 9th house. 12th house Jupiter

is a

> > > > kind of antidote even for dire malefics in the 8th house. So

there

> > > > is no question of 12th house Jupiter causing widowhood.

> > > >

> > > > chandra hari

> > > >

> > > > , Kiran R

> > > > kiran.rama@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sreenadhji,

> > > > >

> > > > > " Jupiter in 12th house may make a woman a widow " - This

does not

> > > > hold good if Jupiter is in own house or exalted - and even if

in

> > > > 12th house, it can cause widowhood only in its dasa.

> > > > >

> > > > > That is the problem today with mechanical interpretation of

> > > > slokas - The exceptions are usually in a sloka at the end of 2

> > > > succeeding chapters !!!

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > Kiran

> > > > >

> > > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote: Dear

> > > > Arjun ji,

> > > > > ==>

> > > > > > if a native has an exalted benefic planet

> > > > > > in su or swasthana with no negative affliction and his

> > mahadasa

> > > > is

> > > > > > running, the native shall get good results but if

sadesathi is

> > > > > > running, the native does not enjoy the good results and

rather

> > > > > > witness some negative results.

> > > > > <==

> > > > > True.

> > > > > ==>

> > > > > > regarding the mangal dosha, the mail i wrote was only for

> > > > theoretical

> > > > > > knowledge of the members as to how the hype was made out

of

> > it.

> > > > > <==

> > > > > I agree with you. But still would say that definitely

> > badly

> > > > placed Malefics will give inauspicious results for sure.

Why

> > > > malefics alone, even natural benefics can give many

inauspicious

> > > > results. For example -

> > > > > Ande gurur hi Vidhavam, dinakrit daridram

> > > > > Chandro dhana vyayakara kuladam cha rahuH

> > > > > (Sthri Jatakam)

> > > > > Meaning, if Jupiter is in 12th house the woman may become a

> > > > widow; if Sun is in 12th house the woman may become

penniless; if

> > > > Moon in 12th there could be much expence; if Rahu in 12th

house

> > the

> > > > women may cause bad name for her family.

> > > > > Note that all these results manifest ONLY IF the dasa also

> > > > matches. If Jupiter in 7th in Capricorn for Cancer lagna, the

> > same

> > > > can cause death of wife/husband in its dasa. If Jupiter or

Venus

> > is

> > > > in 8th from lagna for an women the chances for abortion is

high.

> > So

> > > > in matching what should be considered - the position of the

> > malefics

> > > > (like Mars) alone or the specific results indicated by the

various

> > > > (benefic and malefic) planets? This is the point one should

> > > > meditate upon if they are approaching astrology sincerely and

> > > > systematically. I agree with you to a great extend - and feel

that

> > > > from two different perspectives, you and Sunil ji are

presenting

> > one

> > > > and the same point.

> > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > >

> > > > > --- In

> > , " panditarjun2004 "

> > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > dear kiranji

> > > > > >

> > > > > > astrology in olden days even with all these 1001

principles

> > and

> > > > > > exceptions used to be a simple job for the traditionally

> > learnt

> > > > > > people but with the computer revolution making a hundred

page

> > > > > > comprehensive astro analysis at the click of a button and

each

> > > > page

> > > > > > giving an ambivalent view, the native gets confused with

the

> > > > > > conflicting reports from each section. the astrologer has

to

> > > > spend

> > > > > > lot of time in seeing, checking, overseeing all areas and

then

> > > > come

> > > > > > to a cohesive conclusion. if a native has an exalted

benefic

> > > > planet

> > > > > > in su or swasthana with no negative affliction and his

> > mahadasa

> > > > is

> > > > > > running, the native shall get good results but if

sadesathi is

> > > > > > running, the native does not enjoy the good results and

rather

> > > > > > witness some negative results.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > once i could not find any reason for the various

sufferings of

> > > > the

> > > > > > native and then i asked him to check whether his brother

has

> > > > mars in

> > > > > > the 8th house and then he confirmed it. so sometimes even

just

> > > > > > checking the individual chart is not sufficient as other

> > charts

> > > > too

> > > > > > have vicarious impact.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regarding the mangal dosha, the mail i wrote was only for

> > > > theoretical

> > > > > > knowledge of the members as to how the hype was made out

of

> > it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > with best wishes and blessings

> > > > > > pandit arjun

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , Kiran R

> > > > > > kiran.rama@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Well said Panditji....

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > samya will not work in all cases -

> > > > > > > Samya is usually done for 1, 2, 4, 7, 8, 12 houses for

> > > > marriage -

> > > > > > logic being 7th is spouse, 8th is sustenance of marriage,

4th

> > is

> > > > > > sukha, 2nd is kutumba, 12th is pleasure and 1st is native

> > himself

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Suppose X has 2nd lord in dustana and malefic in 2nd

house -

> > > > he is

> > > > > > going to have problems in earned wealth - if he marries

> > another

> > > > girl

> > > > > > with 2nd lord in dustana/malefic in 2nd house - both will

> > > > > > have " Daridrathana "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I think it makes sense logically for a person who has a

bad

> > > > 2nd

> > > > > > house to look to marry someone with good 2nd house so

that it

> > > > gets

> > > > > > cancelled - and same logic to all houses as well

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regarding doshas, mere presence of malefic in

1,2,4,7,8,12

> > > > houses

> > > > > > does not cause papatwa - what if the house lord is in

sustana?

> > > > There

> > > > > > can be benefic aspecting the house? the malefic planet

dasa

> > > > maybe

> > > > > > over? the malefic maybe lord of two sustanas...etc

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So maybe a better idea to judge all the houses and come

to

> > > > > > conclusion

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > panditarjun2004 panditarjun2004@

> > > > > > wrote: dear friends

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > this mangal dosha is purportedly caused by merely mars

> > finding

> > > > a

> > > > > > > place in 1,2,4,7,8,12 houses (half of the houses) that

too

> > > > seen

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > lagna, moon and some say even from venus. some states in

> > india

> > > > do

> > > > > > > not reckon 2nd house and similarly some astrologers

dont see

> > > > mars

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > these houses from chandra and sukra to brand a native

> > manglik.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > there are more than a dozen rules where this so called

> > mangli

> > > > yoga

> > > > > > > gets nullified through a mangli bhang yoga.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > no ancient classic has any yoga by this name and the

genesis

> > > > of

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > yoga lies in the individual narration of how mars gives

> > > > results

> > > > > > when

> > > > > > > placed in the houses 1,4,7,8,12. if any astrologer reads

> > > > > > carefully

> > > > > > > the entire probable dispositions of mars in these

houses in

> > > > > > speicific

> > > > > > > relation to marriage, we find only 7,8,12 house placed

mars

> > > > giving

> > > > > > > some problems and not the other houses especially the

> > > > vaidhavya

> > > > > > yoga.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > logically kiranji's observation is valid that two wrongs

> > cant

> > > > make

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > right. a completely blind man marrying a completely

blind

> > > > woman

> > > > > > does

> > > > > > > not remove their blindness and let them see the world.

on a

> > > > > > positive

> > > > > > > side, if the mars placement in a male chart suggests

that

> > the

> > > > man

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > a womaniser, he would find good company in marrying a

woman

> > > > with

> > > > > > > similar yoga in her chart as both are broadminded!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > in all matrimonial websites and advertisements mangliks

> > > > > > specifically

> > > > > > > search only for mangliks thinking that both are made for

> > each

> > > > > > other

> > > > > > > or both are best compatible to each other.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > the much hyped verse " lagne vyayecha patale jamitrech

> > ashtame

> > > > > > kuje,

> > > > > > > kanya bhartru vinashaya, bharta kanya vinashakrut " does

not

> > > > allow

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > manglik to marry another manglik as it is internecine

for

> > both.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > but two more verses appeared in modern astrology texts

(not

> > > > > > ancient,

> > > > > > > not even medieval) that says as follows:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > kuja doshvatri deya kuja doshavate kila:

> > > > > > > nadista dosho na chanista dampatyo sukhavardhana.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > this verse says that if one manglik marries another

manglik,

> > > > > > mangal

> > > > > > > does not do any evil and rather both enjoy love and

> > happiness.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > bhauma tulyo yada bhauma, paapo va tadvasho bhavet

> > > > > > > udvaha subhada prokta chiraayu putra pautrada.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > this verse says that if a man's chart has a malefic

mars and

> > > > if

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > woman's chart has similar malefic mars or another

malefic

> > > > planet

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > equal proportion, marriage between both is auspicious.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > astrologers have been given so many choicest sholkas

from

> > > > books to

> > > > > > > first fix a native manglik, check the dozens of mangli

> > bhanga

> > > > > > yogas

> > > > > > > and then find another manglik and make the marriage

between

> > > > both

> > > > > > > auspicious.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings

> > > > > > > pandit arjun

> > > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- In

, " Sreenadh "

> > > > > > > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Kiran ji,

> > > > > > > > > I have observed that if both male and female

horoscope

> > has

> > > > > > same

> > > > > > > dosha

> > > > > > > > (e.g: Kuja dosha),

> > > > > > > > > then it gets cancelled.

> > > > > > > > I doubt that statement about your 'observation';

rather it

> > > > > > is a

> > > > > > > > logical 'belief'; Ask Sunil ji to clarify you will

get a

> > > > better

> > > > > > > picture.

> > > > > > > > I am not debating whether the results

gets 'cancelled' or

> > > > not -

> > > > > > > that the

> > > > > > > > people who experienced it having the same combination

will

> > > > > > clarify.

> > > > > > > > What I am stresssing is that, it is a

logical 'belief';

> > > > rather

> > > > > > than

> > > > > > > > something 'observed' by the people.

> > > > > > > > Hope this helps.

> > > > > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ,

Kiran R

> > > > > > > > <kiran.rama@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Good post Sunilji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I have observed that if both male and female

horoscope

> > has

> > > > > > same

> > > > > > > dosha

> > > > > > > > (e.g: Kuja dosha), then it gets cancelled. This is a

> > mystery

> > > > to

> > > > > > me

> > > > > > > as if

> > > > > > > > both have dosha both must suffer and have bad life.

How

> > does

> > > > > > dosha

> > > > > > > get

> > > > > > > > cancelled if it is present in both?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > > > > Kiran

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > hare rama krishna ,

> > > > > > > > > dear grp and memebrs .

> > > > > > > > > This is my post long back published in another grp

and

> > now

> > > > > > again

> > > > > > > many

> > > > > > > > requests happening in personal and grp mails i

thought of

> > re

> > > > > > > posting it

> > > > > > > > .

> > > > > > > > > actualy sreenadhji was discussing abt it some days

back

> > > > and i

> > > > > > > promised

> > > > > > > > him i will write and then do any modifications

required;

> > > > > > > > > so here is my post

> > > > > > > > > ==============

> > > > > > > > > In kerala and what i know generaly in south india we

> > start

> > > > by

> > > > > > > > matchting the rasi in 10 ways like rasi,rasyaadhipa

(they

> > use

> > > > > > > differnet

> > > > > > > > than normal frndship concept),vasyam,ganam(nature like

> > > > > > > > godly,demonly),yoni(male /female),dinam,mahendra,stree

> > > > > > > > dergham(dooram),rejju and vedham these are 10 and

giving

> > > > each

> > > > > > one

> > > > > > > mark

> > > > > > > > and see if there is more marks and still rejju

> > (ayurvedic -

> > > > vata

> > > > > > > > ,pitta,kapha-i think)and vedha a must

> > > > > > > > > or u can use ashta koota methods prevalent in

north .

> > > > > > > > > Then we go for papa samya

> > > > > > > > > lagana(body),2nd(family and speech),4th house

(family

> > > > > > happiness

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > sukha stan),7th house (house of marriage ) ,8th house

> > > > (deergha

> > > > > > > mangala

> > > > > > > > stan and maraka place and house of money of partner)

and

> > 12

> > > > th

> > > > > > > house is

> > > > > > > > sayana sukha stan and house of expenditure------so

there

> > is

> > > > 6

> > > > > > places

> > > > > > > > > we see any malifics are there in above said places

from

> > > > > > > > LAGANA,MOON(MIND) AND VENUS (INDICATOR OF MARRIAGE

LIFE),

> > > > > > > > > some people will giv equal weightage to lagna and

moon

> > (as

> > > > > > > considered

> > > > > > > > 2nd lagan) venus less weightage as some r of the

opinion

> > > > that the

> > > > > > > > papatwa to venus cannot be remedied as a man with

loose

> > > > morals

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > girl

> > > > > > > > with equaly loose morals can not make good couples,

they

> > see

> > > > 4th

> > > > > > > and 8th

> > > > > > > > matching only,Only see if too much points venus is

gaining

> > > > esp

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > case of girl,it may boost immoral tendencies or deny

> > normal

> > > > > > family

> > > > > > > > happyness by giving separation or even illness--it

depends

> > > > on the

> > > > > > > > horoscope,

> > > > > > > > > papatwa is considered in decressing order

> > > > 8/7/4/12/2/1.Most

> > > > > > > malefic is

> > > > > > > > mars(planet of aggression and sudden actions),then

> > sani,then

> > > > > > > sun,rahu

> > > > > > > > finaly ketu,

> > > > > > > > > also giv some marks like mars-4/sani-3/sun-2/rah and

> > ketu-

> > > > 1

> > > > > > also

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > lagana-5/2nd house2/4th house-3,7th house-4/8th house-

> > 6/12th

> > > > > > house 1

> > > > > > > > > Again this we hav to see exceptions ,own house

> > > > > > debilataion ,means

> > > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > strenght can decrees the value and planet neecha or

moudya

> > > > > > (combust )

> > > > > > > > will get 100% value.Only aspect of benefics can

reduce the

> > > > > > effects

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > malifics will surely increase the effects.

> > > > > > > > > Main consideration while analysing----

> > > > > > > > > 1) Papa grahas should b some what equal position or

> > > > countering

> > > > > > > > position

> > > > > > > > > 2)If malefic is benefic from bhava concerned can giv

> > > > reduction

> > > > > > > > > 3)if malefic is yoga karak again papatwa will be

reduced

> > > > > > > > > 4)see major dasa of papas has passed and see their

sub

> > > > period

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > the assessments

> > > > > > > > > 5)If lady having widowhood in horoscope match with a

> > > > person

> > > > > > who

> > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > two marriage or wife marana yaga( death of wife )

> > > > > > > > > 6)Main considerations shud b given to 7th and 8th

> > position

> > > > of

> > > > > > > malefics

> > > > > > > > > 7)Then in mans horo papa( malefics ) should b in 7th

> > house

> > > > > > > > > 8)Even if in female horoscope papas( malefics) r in

7th

> > > > and

> > > > > > > 8th,if a

> > > > > > > > strong benefic in 9th then it s solved automaticaly .

> > > > > > > > > AS---- navame shubha samyukte sapape aste ashtamepi

va

> > > > > > > > > pathi putra yuta nari modate natra samsaya

> > > > > > > > > 9)see if papa graha dasas coming immediatly after

> > marriage.

> > > > > > > > > 10)dasa santhi nirnayam

> > > > > > > > > see in both horoscopes same period dasa ends within

6

> > > > months

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > years ends .See next dasa is maraka, or papa or weak

then

> > > > those

> > > > > > > > horoscopes shud not b matched

> > > > > > > > > same period dasa of enemy of lagna lord is

happening and

> > > > see

> > > > > > its

> > > > > > > > promise in the horoscope.

> > > > > > > > > same period dasa of mutualy enemys like sun in and

sani

> > in

> > > > > > > another or

> > > > > > > > rahu in one guru or venus and guru

> > > > > > > > > see the period of marakas in each horoscope and

should

> > not

> > > > run

> > > > > > > > together at one time

> > > > > > > > > Also ones maraka dasa and anothers weak dasa of 7th

> > lord or

> > > > > > > > karaka,like papayuta,papakartari,neecha etc should not

> > > > happen at

> > > > > > > same

> > > > > > > > time.

> > > > > > > > > if malefics r in 8th house which can cause vaidhavya

> > > > > > > (widowhood),see

> > > > > > > > the 8th lord and see in whose house he attained in

> > navamsa -

> > > > in

> > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > naisargika dasa can giv the effects.like moon within a

> > > > year,mars

> > > > > > > within

> > > > > > > > two year sun 50years ,guru-18th years after marriage

> > > > > > > > > or it can giv in dasa of malefics in 8th house

> > > > > > > > > then santana chinta (progency) and prosperity and

yoga

> > > > chinta -

> > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > this all kinds of stuff frm two horoscopes,longitivity

> > > > should b

> > > > > > > > calculated firstly before matchting

> > > > > > > > > then i hav see an elaborate prashna whether there is

> > > > > > > daivaanukulyam

> > > > > > > > (wish of god ) for this union and see all kinds of

> > nimittas

> > > > and

> > > > > > > omens

> > > > > > > > > Now a days nimittas can happen only in villages and

in

> > > > towns

> > > > > > its

> > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > the discreation of astrologer to add or deduct

according

> > to

> > > > his

> > > > > > > > experience and reasoning power .

> > > > > > > > > all good omens like bringings of perfumes,sandal and

> > > > > > > kumkum,somebody

> > > > > > > > is bringing mangal sutra,gold or new dress,married

ladies

> > or

> > > > > > couples

> > > > > > > > coming,seeing of astamangala materials,some come

> > > > singing,mangala

> > > > > > > dwani

> > > > > > > > like sankh(conch),bells ringing,cows

> > > > > > coming,elephant,royals,horses

> > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > are considerd good.

> > > > > > > > > some nimittas are bad which needs special attention

> > > > > > > > > seeing somebody puts his finger in some hole or in

> > > > > > nose /seeing

> > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > animals/birds mating --suddenly jyothishi can say not

> > > > > > reccommended

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > matching.(actualy i find all this depends on upasana

> > balam (

> > > > > > > spiritual

> > > > > > > > power ) of jyothishi)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I hope it can giv some what clear idea abt matching

and

> > > > see

> > > > > > its

> > > > > > > not a

> > > > > > > > Soft ware job .It needs a good calibre jyothishi and

who

> > > > learned

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > amnt of astro principles .

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair

> > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

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February 1, 2008

Hare ramakrishna ,

dear renu ji ,

Thanks for sharing the chart .

The chart provided u can see that the 7th lord is gone to 6th house ( house of diceases and debts and struggles and problems .9th has rahu >it says malefic in 9th will not support 8th house house of longitivity of marriage and it can giv a sort of parivrajya yoga .

Also if u see Karaka venus ,its in Papa karthari and the marka lord s are merc and sani from it .Rahu is in sani s rasi and 6th from venus .The 8th lord from venus is jup and also 22nd drekkana lord .

Rahu is aspected by sun the 64th navamsa Lord from lagna (self ) and moon ( shows mental tensions) also mercury who is marka from venus and also 64th navamsa Lord from venus .

if u see from moon also u can see mars in 7th house .4th house is afflicted .

rahu has given its amsa in 6th house kanya ,were sat is positioned and also in 2nd to venus .

and she born in ketu dasa ,so rahu periods can be trouble some .rahu in nakhshatra of mars .( It says those who born in period of rahu or ketu then mutual ketu or rahu period can be pain ful )

so from every points there is affliction

( off course this is post mortem analaysis ) but in matchting we will see both charts with dasa s ) and i think in 2001 she was having sadesati also and jup in unhelpful 3rd house from moon ( u dont giv me the dates )

So along with a bad transit and un helpful dasa of rahu and its sub period the problem may show up .U see trnsit sani was in lagna and aspecting 7th house and jup was aspecting 7th Lord >rahu also in star of of mars >And previou dasa was of mars ,so seed of the problem may lie in its dasa ,whter this was his first heart attack ???

Here jup in 12th might hav protected her vaidavya .And may be still he is alive .

U hav not provided her habbits or qualities .How is she ,whether religious or showing some false notions etc as rahu is in 9th house of dharma and jup in 12house of expenditue .

also wanted to know abt her kids

thank u for posting a intersting chart as usual .

regrds sunil nair

Om shreem mahalaxmai namah

February 1, 2008

Dear Chandrahari ji, I agree that of course Jupiter is a natural benefice, but then too feel that possibly Jupiter in 12th can indicate many bad results such as marriage problems, divorce, or even death of husband as told by strijataka - provided other combinations also support the same. In this moment the point that comes to my mind related to the possibility is a sloka which reads - Shashtashtama kantakago gurur uchho bhavati Meena lagne va Janmani marane va

mokshgatimahuH (Leghu Jatakam) [if Jupiter is in 6th, 8th or 12th from lagna especially in exaltation; or if Jupiter is in Pisces lagna - at the time of birth or death the same can indicate Moksha gati] This sloka clearly indicates that Jupiter in 6th, 8th or 12th increases one's interest in spirituality and realization - which of

course is usually causes negative influence regarding happy family life with wife - and sex life. Possibly such too much interest in spirituality too can cause a house-wreck. Any way I am not stressing this point, but instead I will go through the classics and comeback with more material either in support of this argument or negativing - so that we can be sure does the books like Strijataka which provides us with such slokas has the support for the same in Rishi horas or not. Mean while we can verify the same with real life experiences. Love and regards,Sreenadh chandra_hari18 <chandra_hari18 wrote: Dear Sreenadh, Let's not mistakenly blame Jupiter for widowhood. 9th house has nothing to do with Mangalyam except that it is 2nd from 8th and hence a benefic in 9th augurs well for the longevity of the husband. Other details like luck etc are secondary things. Luck, wealth, fame etc can come through bad ways like insurance policies too. Jupiter as natural significator of 9th (Bhavakaraka) may not be that

critical. But when we consider 8th house malefics, there is no better antidote than Guru in 12th and as you may be knowing this is an important classical dictum that Jnana_Vrddhas adhere to in Kerala. Jupiter can cause widowhood when Jupiter is lord of Navamsa Lagna weakly placed by debiliation or other factors. As lord of Lagna debiliated in Navamsa too, Jupiter can cause widowhood or separation (adverse to marital life). Unless we learn to examine navamsa correctly along with a reliable timing technique like Vimsottari dasa, the truth of astrological basics cannot be well understood and we will end up blaming Jupiter. Remember that a "Yogamaraka" theory originated in the past based on the horoscope of Tagore who died in Rahu-Mars. chandra hari , "Sreenadh" <sreesog wrote:>> > Dear Chandrahari ji,> I apprecioate your view. But note that Jupiter is the lord of 9th> house in the natural horoscope. 9th house is considered as the house of> luck, and as a house providing good husband and children especially for> women. Being significator of male some even consider Jupiter as the> natural significator of husband - even though this argument is not wide> spread. So the point I would suggest is the - verification of results> from the known horoscopes. Apart from quoting the sloka, and pointing> to the possibility of a natural benefic giving inauspicious results, I> don't had any other intention. But now I feel that we can make it a> point of research, so that it can be confirmed or negated based on known>

charts with the same combination.> Note: Those who provide the charts with Jupiter in 12th, please ensure> that the dasa of Jupiter already happened that too after marriage in> those horoscopes.> Love and regards,> SreenadhSreenadh : /

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February 1, 2008

It is always nice to read your explanations. They carry lot of

information. Thanks...

All what you mentioned about the afflicitons to her marriage is

correct. Even when the husband was not ill, she had to go through

lot of trouble due to his drinking habits.

I am not sure...but I think he got a minor heart attack earlier too.

I do not know the exact date of his stroke which put him to bed, but

it was somewhere in 2001, during her Saturn erashtaka period. He is

still alive. Walks and eats. Speech is not very clear...but not bad.

This lady does not have children of her own though she wanted one

desparately. Adopted a baby girl in 1993 August.

She watns to be religious. She has good qualities. Yet..she is not

what she pretends to be. I think Rahu in the 9th explains this trait

in her. She envies those who are better off. At the same time her

doors are opened to her family when in need..

blessings

Renu

, " sunil nair "

<astro_tellerkerala wrote:

>

> Hare ramakrishna ,

>

> dear renu ji ,

>

> Thanks for sharing the chart .

>

> The chart provided u can see that the 7th lord is gone to 6th

house (

> house of diceases and debts and struggles and problems .9th has

rahu >it

> says malefic in 9th will not support 8th house house of

longitivity of

> marriage and it can giv a sort of parivrajya yoga .

>

> Also if u see Karaka venus ,its in Papa karthari and the marka

lord s

> are merc and sani from it .Rahu is in sani s rasi and 6th from

venus

> .The 8th lord from venus is jup and also 22nd drekkana lord .

>

> Rahu is aspected by sun the 64th navamsa Lord from lagna (self )

and

> moon ( shows mental tensions) also mercury who is marka from venus

and

> also 64th navamsa Lord from venus .

>

> if u see from moon also u can see mars in 7th house .4th house is

> afflicted .

>

> rahu has given its amsa in 6th house kanya ,were sat is positioned

and

> also in 2nd to venus .

>

> and she born in ketu dasa ,so rahu periods can be trouble

some .rahu in

> nakhshatra of mars .( It says those who born in period of rahu or

ketu

> then mutual ketu or rahu period can be pain ful )

>

> so from every points there is affliction

>

> ( off course this is post mortem analaysis ) but in matchting we

will

> see both charts with dasa s ) and i think in 2001 she was having

> sadesati also and jup in unhelpful 3rd house from moon ( u dont

giv me

> the dates )

>

> So along with a bad transit and un helpful dasa of rahu and its sub

> period the problem may show up .U see trnsit sani was in lagna and

> aspecting 7th house and jup was aspecting 7th Lord >rahu also in

star of

> of mars >And previou dasa was of mars ,so seed of the problem may

lie in

> its dasa ,whter this was his first heart attack ???

>

> Here jup in 12th might hav protected her vaidavya .And may be

still he

> is alive .

>

> U hav not provided her habbits or qualities .How is she ,whether

> religious or showing some false notions etc as rahu is in 9th

house of

> dharma and jup in 12house of expenditue .

>

> also wanted to know abt her kids

>

> thank u for posting a intersting chart as usual .

>

> regrds sunil nair

>

> Om shreem mahalaxmai namah ,

, " renunw " <renunw@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear learned members,

> >

> > I have a female with Jupiter in 12H. Her Jupiter major period is

yet

> > to come. But during Rahu/Rahu/Jupiter her husband had a stroke

and

> > still he is an ivalid. She carries on her shoulders the household

> > burdens. Though the husband is alive...she is kind of a widow.

> >

> > Let me give you the birth details.

> >

> > August 11, 1952 @ 1.10 AM in Horana, Sri Lanka.

> >

> > blessings

> > Renu

> >

> > , " sunil nair "

> > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Hare ramakrishana .

> > >

> > > dear tatvamasi ji .

> > >

> > > No i cant digest this adage jupiter destroys and sani protect

> > the sign

> > > or house .

> > >

> > > In this chart there is enough afflictions are there and only

jup

> > dasa

> > > has given her marriage .U see the house ,karaka ,Lord scheme

and

> > see how

> > > its afflicted or in papakartary also u can see that rahu in 4th

> > house

> > > .And her dasa after birth dasha was 6yrs some thing mars and

then

> > rahu (

> > > ur favrite and same rahu dont giv marriage in its period so

who is

> > > protecting and destroying houses also u can see that those who

> > follow

> > > rahu is owner of aqua scheme again rahu dont giv family

happiness -

> > -if

> > > its owner of the house ) ,may be rahu can giv delay in

education

> > or a

> > > lov failure .Then this jupiter period Has given the marriage .

> > >

> > > From moon also u can see it ,the relevent house in PKY .also

see

> > from

> > > venus the karaka in 7th house sani is debilated .

> > >

> > > so delay for marriage is there and rite dasas also has

operate .

> > >

> > > regrds sunil nair

> > >

> > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah

> > >

> > > , " nameisego "

> > > <nameisego@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Friends,

> > > >

> > > > I have a chart of a female jathaka with Guru in 12th which is

> > Shayya

> > > > Sukha sthana.

> > > > Bhava Nasha Karo Jeeva dictum is being discussed here .

> > > > This girl got married in 37th year .She got married in June

> > 2006.in

> > > > Guru dasa.

> > > > Guru in 12th can also result in delayed/failed marriage.

> > > >

> > > > Female

> > > > DOB...25th Nov 1970

> > > > TOB....7.45 am

> > > > POB....Bangalore

> > > >

> > > > Tatvam-Asi

> > > >

> > > > , " Sreenadh "

> > > > sreesog@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Chandrahari ji,

> > > > > I apprecioate your view. But note that Jupiter is the lord

of

> > > > 9th

> > > > > house in the natural horoscope. 9th house is considered as

the

> > > > house of

> > > > > luck, and as a house providing good husband and children

> > especially

> > > > for

> > > > > women. Being significator of male some even consider

Jupiter as

> > > > the

> > > > > natural significator of husband - even though this

argument is

> > not

> > > > wide

> > > > > spread. So the point I would suggest is the - verification

of

> > > > results

> > > > > from the known horoscopes. Apart from quoting the sloka,

and

> > > > pointing

> > > > > to the possibility of a natural benefic giving inauspicious

> > > > results, I

> > > > > don't had any other intention. But now I feel that we can

make

> > it a

> > > > > point of research, so that it can be confirmed or negated

> > based on

> > > > known

> > > > > charts with the same combination.

> > > > > Note: Those who provide the charts with Jupiter in 12th,

please

> > > > ensure

> > > > > that the dasa of Jupiter already happened that too after

> > marriage in

> > > > > those horoscopes.

> > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > --- In

> > , " chandra_hari18 "

> > > > > <chandra_hari18@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Quoted above is absolute nonsense. Jupiter in the 12th is

> > > > > > benevolnent for the 8th house of Mangalyam because of

> > Jupiter's

> > > > > > beneficial full aspect on the 9th house. 12th house

Jupiter

> > is a

> > > > > > kind of antidote even for dire malefics in the 8th

house. So

> > there

> > > > > > is no question of 12th house Jupiter causing widowhood.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > chandra hari

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , Kiran R

> > > > > > kiran.rama@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Sreenadhji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > " Jupiter in 12th house may make a woman a widow " - This

> > does not

> > > > > > hold good if Jupiter is in own house or exalted - and

even

> > if in

> > > > > > 12th house, it can cause widowhood only in its dasa.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > That is the problem today with mechanical

interpretation of

> > > > > > slokas - The exceptions are usually in a sloka at the

end of

> > 2

> > > > > > succeeding chapters !!!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > Kiran

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote: Dear

> > > > > > Arjun ji,

> > > > > > > ==>

> > > > > > > > if a native has an exalted benefic planet

> > > > > > > > in su or swasthana with no negative affliction and

his

> > > > mahadasa

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > running, the native shall get good results but if

> > sadesathi is

> > > > > > > > running, the native does not enjoy the good results

and

> > rather

> > > > > > > > witness some negative results.

> > > > > > > <==

> > > > > > > True.

> > > > > > > ==>

> > > > > > > > regarding the mangal dosha, the mail i wrote was

only for

> > > > > > theoretical

> > > > > > > > knowledge of the members as to how the hype was made

out

> > of

> > > > it.

> > > > > > > <==

> > > > > > > I agree with you. But still would say that

definitely

> > > > badly

> > > > > > placed Malefics will give inauspicious results for

sure.

> > Why

> > > > > > malefics alone, even natural benefics can give many

> > inauspicious

> > > > > > results. For example -

> > > > > > > Ande gurur hi Vidhavam, dinakrit daridram

> > > > > > > Chandro dhana vyayakara kuladam cha rahuH

> > > > > > > (Sthri Jatakam)

> > > > > > > Meaning, if Jupiter is in 12th house the woman may

become a

> > > > > > widow; if Sun is in 12th house the woman may become

> > penniless; if

> > > > > > Moon in 12th there could be much expence; if Rahu in 12th

> > house

> > > > the

> > > > > > women may cause bad name for her family.

> > > > > > > Note that all these results manifest ONLY IF the dasa

also

> > > > > > matches. If Jupiter in 7th in Capricorn for Cancer

lagna, the

> > > > same

> > > > > > can cause death of wife/husband in its dasa. If Jupiter

or

> > Venus

> > > > is

> > > > > > in 8th from lagna for an women the chances for abortion

is

> > high.

> > > > So

> > > > > > in matching what should be considered - the position of

the

> > > > malefics

> > > > > > (like Mars) alone or the specific results indicated by

the

> > various

> > > > > > (benefic and malefic) planets? This is the point one

should

> > > > > > meditate upon if they are approaching astrology

sincerely and

> > > > > > systematically. I agree with you to a great extend - and

> > feel that

> > > > > > from two different perspectives, you and Sunil ji are

> > presenting

> > > > one

> > > > > > and the same point.

> > > > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- In

> > > > , " panditarjun2004 "

> > > > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > dear kiranji

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > astrology in olden days even with all these 1001

> > principles

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > exceptions used to be a simple job for the

traditionally

> > > > learnt

> > > > > > > > people but with the computer revolution making a

hundred

> > page

> > > > > > > > comprehensive astro analysis at the click of a button

> > and each

> > > > > > page

> > > > > > > > giving an ambivalent view, the native gets confused

with

> > the

> > > > > > > > conflicting reports from each section. the astrologer

> > has to

> > > > > > spend

> > > > > > > > lot of time in seeing, checking, overseeing all areas

> > and then

> > > > > > come

> > > > > > > > to a cohesive conclusion. if a native has an exalted

> > benefic

> > > > > > planet

> > > > > > > > in su or swasthana with no negative affliction and

his

> > > > mahadasa

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > running, the native shall get good results but if

> > sadesathi is

> > > > > > > > running, the native does not enjoy the good results

and

> > rather

> > > > > > > > witness some negative results.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > once i could not find any reason for the various

> > sufferings of

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > native and then i asked him to check whether his

brother

> > has

> > > > > > mars in

> > > > > > > > the 8th house and then he confirmed it. so sometimes

> > even just

> > > > > > > > checking the individual chart is not sufficient as

other

> > > > charts

> > > > > > too

> > > > > > > > have vicarious impact.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regarding the mangal dosha, the mail i wrote was

only for

> > > > > > theoretical

> > > > > > > > knowledge of the members as to how the hype was made

out

> > of

> > > > it.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings

> > > > > > > > pandit arjun

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ,

Kiran R

> > > > > > > > kiran.rama@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Well said Panditji....

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > samya will not work in all cases -

> > > > > > > > > Samya is usually done for 1, 2, 4, 7, 8, 12 houses

for

> > > > > > marriage -

> > > > > > > > logic being 7th is spouse, 8th is sustenance of

> > marriage, 4th

> > > > is

> > > > > > > > sukha, 2nd is kutumba, 12th is pleasure and 1st is

native

> > > > himself

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Suppose X has 2nd lord in dustana and malefic in

2nd

> > house -

> > > > > > he is

> > > > > > > > going to have problems in earned wealth - if he

marries

> > > > another

> > > > > > girl

> > > > > > > > with 2nd lord in dustana/malefic in 2nd house - both

will

> > > > > > > > have " Daridrathana "

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I think it makes sense logically for a person who

has

> > a bad

> > > > > > 2nd

> > > > > > > > house to look to marry someone with good 2nd house so

> > that it

> > > > > > gets

> > > > > > > > cancelled - and same logic to all houses as well

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regarding doshas, mere presence of malefic in

> > 1,2,4,7,8,12

> > > > > > houses

> > > > > > > > does not cause papatwa - what if the house lord is in

> > sustana?

> > > > > > There

> > > > > > > > can be benefic aspecting the house? the malefic

planet

> > dasa

> > > > > > maybe

> > > > > > > > over? the malefic maybe lord of two sustanas...etc

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > So maybe a better idea to judge all the houses and

> > come to

> > > > > > > > conclusion

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > panditarjun2004 panditarjun2004@

> > > > > > > > wrote: dear friends

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > this mangal dosha is purportedly caused by merely

mars

> > > > finding

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > place in 1,2,4,7,8,12 houses (half of the houses)

that

> > too

> > > > > > seen

> > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > lagna, moon and some say even from venus. some

states

> > in

> > > > india

> > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > not reckon 2nd house and similarly some astrologers

> > dont see

> > > > > > mars

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > these houses from chandra and sukra to brand a

native

> > > > manglik.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > there are more than a dozen rules where this so

called

> > > > mangli

> > > > > > yoga

> > > > > > > > > gets nullified through a mangli bhang yoga.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > no ancient classic has any yoga by this name and

the

> > genesis

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > yoga lies in the individual narration of how mars

gives

> > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > placed in the houses 1,4,7,8,12. if any astrologer

> > reads

> > > > > > > > carefully

> > > > > > > > > the entire probable dispositions of mars in these

> > houses in

> > > > > > > > speicific

> > > > > > > > > relation to marriage, we find only 7,8,12 house

placed

> > mars

> > > > > > giving

> > > > > > > > > some problems and not the other houses especially

the

> > > > > > vaidhavya

> > > > > > > > yoga.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > logically kiranji's observation is valid that two

> > wrongs

> > > > cant

> > > > > > make

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > right. a completely blind man marrying a completely

> > blind

> > > > > > woman

> > > > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > > not remove their blindness and let them see the

world.

> > on a

> > > > > > > > positive

> > > > > > > > > side, if the mars placement in a male chart

suggests

> > that

> > > > the

> > > > > > man

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > a womaniser, he would find good company in

marrying a

> > woman

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > similar yoga in her chart as both are broadminded!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > in all matrimonial websites and advertisements

mangliks

> > > > > > > > specifically

> > > > > > > > > search only for mangliks thinking that both are

made

> > for

> > > > each

> > > > > > > > other

> > > > > > > > > or both are best compatible to each other.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > the much hyped verse " lagne vyayecha patale

jamitrech

> > > > ashtame

> > > > > > > > kuje,

> > > > > > > > > kanya bhartru vinashaya, bharta kanya vinashakrut "

> > does not

> > > > > > allow

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > manglik to marry another manglik as it is

internecine

> > for

> > > > both.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > but two more verses appeared in modern astrology

texts

> > (not

> > > > > > > > ancient,

> > > > > > > > > not even medieval) that says as follows:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > kuja doshvatri deya kuja doshavate kila:

> > > > > > > > > nadista dosho na chanista dampatyo sukhavardhana.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > this verse says that if one manglik marries another

> > manglik,

> > > > > > > > mangal

> > > > > > > > > does not do any evil and rather both enjoy love and

> > > > happiness.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > bhauma tulyo yada bhauma, paapo va tadvasho bhavet

> > > > > > > > > udvaha subhada prokta chiraayu putra pautrada.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > this verse says that if a man's chart has a malefic

> > mars and

> > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > woman's chart has similar malefic mars or another

> > malefic

> > > > > > planet

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > equal proportion, marriage between both is

auspicious.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > astrologers have been given so many choicest

sholkas

> > from

> > > > > > books to

> > > > > > > > > first fix a native manglik, check the dozens of

mangli

> > > > bhanga

> > > > > > > > yogas

> > > > > > > > > and then find another manglik and make the marriage

> > between

> > > > > > both

> > > > > > > > > auspicious.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings

> > > > > > > > > pandit arjun

> > > > > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

> > , " Sreenadh "

> > > > > > > > > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Kiran ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > I have observed that if both male and female

> > horoscope

> > > > has

> > > > > > > > same

> > > > > > > > > dosha

> > > > > > > > > > (e.g: Kuja dosha),

> > > > > > > > > > > then it gets cancelled.

> > > > > > > > > > I doubt that statement about your 'observation';

> > rather it

> > > > > > > > is a

> > > > > > > > > > logical 'belief'; Ask Sunil ji to clarify you

will

> > get a

> > > > > > better

> > > > > > > > > picture.

> > > > > > > > > > I am not debating whether the results

> > gets 'cancelled' or

> > > > > > not -

> > > > > > > > > that the

> > > > > > > > > > people who experienced it having the same

> > combination will

> > > > > > > > clarify.

> > > > > > > > > > What I am stresssing is that, it is a

> > logical 'belief';

> > > > > > rather

> > > > > > > > than

> > > > > > > > > > something 'observed' by the people.

> > > > > > > > > > Hope this helps.

> > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ,

> > Kiran R

> > > > > > > > > > <kiran.rama@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Good post Sunilji,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I have observed that if both male and female

> > horoscope

> > > > has

> > > > > > > > same

> > > > > > > > > dosha

> > > > > > > > > > (e.g: Kuja dosha), then it gets cancelled. This

is a

> > > > mystery

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > me

> > > > > > > > > as if

> > > > > > > > > > both have dosha both must suffer and have bad

life.

> > How

> > > > does

> > > > > > > > dosha

> > > > > > > > > get

> > > > > > > > > > cancelled if it is present in both?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > > > > > > Kiran

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > hare rama krishna ,

> > > > > > > > > > > dear grp and memebrs .

> > > > > > > > > > > This is my post long back published in another

grp

> > and

> > > > now

> > > > > > > > again

> > > > > > > > > many

> > > > > > > > > > requests happening in personal and grp mails i

> > thought of

> > > > re

> > > > > > > > > posting it

> > > > > > > > > > .

> > > > > > > > > > > actualy sreenadhji was discussing abt it some

days

> > back

> > > > > > and i

> > > > > > > > > promised

> > > > > > > > > > him i will write and then do any modifications

> > required;

> > > > > > > > > > > so here is my post

> > > > > > > > > > > ==============

> > > > > > > > > > > In kerala and what i know generaly in south

india

> > we

> > > > start

> > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > > matchting the rasi in 10 ways like

rasi,rasyaadhipa

> > (they

> > > > use

> > > > > > > > > differnet

> > > > > > > > > > than normal frndship concept),vasyam,ganam(nature

> > like

> > > > > > > > > > godly,demonly),yoni

> > (male /female),dinam,mahendra,stree

> > > > > > > > > > dergham(dooram),rejju and vedham these are 10 and

> > giving

> > > > > > each

> > > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > mark

> > > > > > > > > > and see if there is more marks and still rejju

> > > > (ayurvedic -

> > > > > > vata

> > > > > > > > > > ,pitta,kapha-i think)and vedha a must

> > > > > > > > > > > or u can use ashta koota methods prevalent in

> > north .

> > > > > > > > > > > Then we go for papa samya

> > > > > > > > > > > lagana(body),2nd(family and speech),4th house

> > (family

> > > > > > > > happiness

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > sukha stan),7th house (house of marriage ) ,8th

house

> > > > > > (deergha

> > > > > > > > > mangala

> > > > > > > > > > stan and maraka place and house of money of

partner)

> > and

> > > > 12

> > > > > > th

> > > > > > > > > house is

> > > > > > > > > > sayana sukha stan and house of expenditure------

so

> > there

> > > > is

> > > > > > 6

> > > > > > > > places

> > > > > > > > > > > we see any malifics are there in above said

places

> > from

> > > > > > > > > > LAGANA,MOON(MIND) AND VENUS (INDICATOR OF

MARRIAGE

> > LIFE),

> > > > > > > > > > > some people will giv equal weightage to lagna

and

> > moon

> > > > (as

> > > > > > > > > considered

> > > > > > > > > > 2nd lagan) venus less weightage as some r of the

> > opinion

> > > > > > that the

> > > > > > > > > > papatwa to venus cannot be remedied as a man with

> > loose

> > > > > > morals

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > girl

> > > > > > > > > > with equaly loose morals can not make good

couples,

> > they

> > > > see

> > > > > > 4th

> > > > > > > > > and 8th

> > > > > > > > > > matching only,Only see if too much points venus

is

> > gaining

> > > > > > esp

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > case of girl,it may boost immoral tendencies or

deny

> > > > normal

> > > > > > > > family

> > > > > > > > > > happyness by giving separation or even illness--

it

> > depends

> > > > > > on the

> > > > > > > > > > horoscope,

> > > > > > > > > > > papatwa is considered in decressing order

> > > > > > 8/7/4/12/2/1.Most

> > > > > > > > > malefic is

> > > > > > > > > > mars(planet of aggression and sudden

actions),then

> > > > sani,then

> > > > > > > > > sun,rahu

> > > > > > > > > > finaly ketu,

> > > > > > > > > > > also giv some marks like mars-4/sani-3/sun-

2/rah

> > and

> > > > ketu-

> > > > > > 1

> > > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > lagana-5/2nd house2/4th house-3,7th house-4/8th

> > house-

> > > > 6/12th

> > > > > > > > house 1

> > > > > > > > > > > Again this we hav to see exceptions ,own house

> > > > > > > > debilataion ,means

> > > > > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > strenght can decrees the value and planet neecha

or

> > moudya

> > > > > > > > (combust )

> > > > > > > > > > will get 100% value.Only aspect of benefics can

> > reduce the

> > > > > > > > effects

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > malifics will surely increase the effects.

> > > > > > > > > > > Main consideration while analysing----

> > > > > > > > > > > 1) Papa grahas should b some what equal

position or

> > > > > > countering

> > > > > > > > > > position

> > > > > > > > > > > 2)If malefic is benefic from bhava concerned

can

> > giv

> > > > > > reduction

> > > > > > > > > > > 3)if malefic is yoga karak again papatwa will

be

> > reduced

> > > > > > > > > > > 4)see major dasa of papas has passed and see

their

> > sub

> > > > > > period

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > > the assessments

> > > > > > > > > > > 5)If lady having widowhood in horoscope match

with

> > a

> > > > > > person

> > > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > two marriage or wife marana yaga( death of wife )

> > > > > > > > > > > 6)Main considerations shud b given to 7th and

8th

> > > > position

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > malefics

> > > > > > > > > > > 7)Then in mans horo papa( malefics ) should b

in

> > 7th

> > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > 8)Even if in female horoscope papas( malefics)

r

> > in 7th

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > 8th,if a

> > > > > > > > > > strong benefic in 9th then it s solved

automaticaly .

> > > > > > > > > > > AS---- navame shubha samyukte sapape aste

> > ashtamepi va

> > > > > > > > > > > pathi putra yuta nari modate natra samsaya

> > > > > > > > > > > 9)see if papa graha dasas coming immediatly

after

> > > > marriage.

> > > > > > > > > > > 10)dasa santhi nirnayam

> > > > > > > > > > > see in both horoscopes same period dasa ends

> > within 6

> > > > > > months

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > > years ends .See next dasa is maraka, or papa or

weak

> > then

> > > > > > those

> > > > > > > > > > horoscopes shud not b matched

> > > > > > > > > > > same period dasa of enemy of lagna lord is

> > happening and

> > > > > > see

> > > > > > > > its

> > > > > > > > > > promise in the horoscope.

> > > > > > > > > > > same period dasa of mutualy enemys like sun in

and

> > sani

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > > another or

> > > > > > > > > > rahu in one guru or venus and guru

> > > > > > > > > > > see the period of marakas in each horoscope and

> > should

> > > > not

> > > > > > run

> > > > > > > > > > together at one time

> > > > > > > > > > > Also ones maraka dasa and anothers weak dasa

of 7th

> > > > lord or

> > > > > > > > > > karaka,like papayuta,papakartari,neecha etc

should

> > not

> > > > > > happen at

> > > > > > > > > same

> > > > > > > > > > time.

> > > > > > > > > > > if malefics r in 8th house which can cause

> > vaidhavya

> > > > > > > > > (widowhood),see

> > > > > > > > > > the 8th lord and see in whose house he attained

in

> > > > navamsa -

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > naisargika dasa can giv the effects.like moon

within

> > a

> > > > > > year,mars

> > > > > > > > > within

> > > > > > > > > > two year sun 50years ,guru-18th years after

marriage

> > > > > > > > > > > or it can giv in dasa of malefics in 8th house

> > > > > > > > > > > then santana chinta (progency) and prosperity

and

> > yoga

> > > > > > chinta -

> > > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > > this all kinds of stuff frm two

> > horoscopes,longitivity

> > > > > > should b

> > > > > > > > > > calculated firstly before matchting

> > > > > > > > > > > then i hav see an elaborate prashna whether

there

> > is

> > > > > > > > > daivaanukulyam

> > > > > > > > > > (wish of god ) for this union and see all kinds

of

> > > > nimittas

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > omens

> > > > > > > > > > > Now a days nimittas can happen only in villages

> > and in

> > > > > > towns

> > > > > > > > its

> > > > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > > the discreation of astrologer to add or deduct

> > according

> > > > to

> > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > experience and reasoning power .

> > > > > > > > > > > all good omens like bringings of

perfumes,sandal

> > and

> > > > > > > > > kumkum,somebody

> > > > > > > > > > is bringing mangal sutra,gold or new

dress,married

> > ladies

> > > > or

> > > > > > > > couples

> > > > > > > > > > coming,seeing of astamangala materials,some come

> > > > > > singing,mangala

> > > > > > > > > dwani

> > > > > > > > > > like sankh(conch),bells ringing,cows

> > > > > > > > coming,elephant,royals,horses

> > > > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > > are considerd good.

> > > > > > > > > > > some nimittas are bad which needs special

attention

> > > > > > > > > > > seeing somebody puts his finger in some hole

or in

> > > > > > > > nose /seeing

> > > > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > animals/birds mating --suddenly jyothishi can

say not

> > > > > > > > reccommended

> > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > matching.(actualy i find all this depends on

upasana

> > > > balam (

> > > > > > > > > spiritual

> > > > > > > > > > power ) of jyothishi)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I hope it can giv some what clear idea abt

> > matching and

> > > > > > see

> > > > > > > > its

> > > > > > > > > not a

> > > > > > > > > > Soft ware job .It needs a good calibre jyothishi

and

> > who

> > > > > > learned

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > amnt of astro principles .

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair

> > > > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

> > > > > > > > > > >

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> > browser,

> > > > > > without

> > > > > > > > > > download.

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> > > > > > > > >

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February 1, 2008

Namaste Sreenadhji..

///Shashtashtama kantakago gurur uchho bhavati

Meena lagne va Janmani marane va mokshgatimahuH

(Leghu Jatakam)

[if Jupiter is in 6th, 8th or 12th from lagna especially in

exaltation; or if Jupiter is in Pisces lagna - at the time of birth

or death the same can indicate Moksha gati]

This sloka clearly indicates that Jupiter in 6th, 8th or 12th

increases one's interest in spirituality and realization - which of

course is usually causes negative influence regarding happy family

life with wife - and sex life. Possibly such too much interest in

spirituality too can cause a house-wreck. ///

Very interesting to note.. Of course interest in spirituality may

develop, triggered by the relationship breakdown too.. as was my

experience.. Disenchartment with life and seeking inner strength to

carry out one's duties in life, with detachment..

Warmest regards

Sheevani

, sreenadh

<sreesog wrote:

>

> Dear Chandrahari ji,

> I agree that of course Jupiter is a natural benefice, but then

too feel that possibly Jupiter in 12th can indicate many bad results

such as marriage problems, divorce, or even death of husband as told

by strijataka - provided other combinations also support the same.

In this moment the point that comes to my mind related to the

possibility is a sloka which reads -

> Shashtashtama kantakago gurur uchho bhavati

> Meena lagne va Janmani marane va mokshgatimahuH

> (Leghu Jatakam)

> [if Jupiter is in 6th, 8th or 12th from lagna especially in

exaltation; or if Jupiter is in Pisces lagna - at the time of birth

or death the same can indicate Moksha gati]

> This sloka clearly indicates that Jupiter in 6th, 8th or 12th

increases one's interest in spirituality and realization - which of

course is usually causes negative influence regarding happy family

life with wife - and sex life. Possibly such too much interest in

spirituality too can cause a house-wreck.

> Any way I am not stressing this point, but instead I will go

through the classics and comeback with more material either in

support of this argument or negativing - so that we can be sure does

the books like Strijataka which provides us with such slokas has the

support for the same in Rishi horas or not. Mean while we can verify

the same with real life experiences.

> Love and regards,

> Sreenadh

>

> chandra_hari18 <chandra_hari18

wrote:

> Dear Sreenadh,

> Let's not mistakenly blame Jupiter for widowhood. 9th house has

nothing to do with Mangalyam except that it is 2nd from 8th and hence

a benefic in 9th augurs well for the longevity of the husband. Other

details like luck etc are secondary things. Luck, wealth, fame etc

can come through bad ways like insurance policies too. Jupiter as

natural significator of 9th (Bhavakaraka) may not be that critical.

> But when we consider 8th house malefics, there is no better

antidote than Guru in 12th and as you may be knowing this is an

important classical dictum that Jnana_Vrddhas adhere to in Kerala.

> Jupiter can cause widowhood when Jupiter is lord of Navamsa Lagna

weakly placed by debiliation or other factors. As lord of Lagna

debiliated in Navamsa too, Jupiter can cause widowhood or separation

(adverse to marital life).

> Unless we learn to examine navamsa correctly along with a reliable

timing technique like Vimsottari dasa, the truth of astrological

basics cannot be well understood and we will end up blaming Jupiter.

Remember that a " Yogamaraka " theory originated in the past based on

the horoscope of Tagore who died in Rahu-Mars.

> chandra hari

>

> , " Sreenadh "

<sreesog@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Chandrahari ji,

> > I apprecioate your view. But note that Jupiter is the lord of 9th

> > house in the natural horoscope. 9th house is considered as the

house of

> > luck, and as a house providing good husband and children

especially for

> > women. Being significator of male some even consider Jupiter as

the

> > natural significator of husband - even though this argument is

not wide

> > spread. So the point I would suggest is the - verification of

results

> > from the known horoscopes. Apart from quoting the sloka, and

pointing

> > to the possibility of a natural benefic giving inauspicious

results, I

> > don't had any other intention. But now I feel that we can make it

a

> > point of research, so that it can be confirmed or negated based

on known

> > charts with the same combination.

> > Note: Those who provide the charts with Jupiter in 12th, please

ensure

> > that the dasa of Jupiter already happened that too after marriage

in

> > those horoscopes.

> > Love and regards,

> > Sreenadh

>

Sreenadh

> :

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February 1, 2008

Hare ramakrishna ,

dear renu ji .

I always appreciates ur kind words and feed back ,when ever i post a discussion i will be expecting some charts from Ur archives and as usual u never disappointed me .

I thank u lot for everything .

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

, "renunw" <renunw wrote:>> > > > It is always nice to read your explanations. They carry lot of > information. Thanks...> > All what you mentioned about the afflicitons to her marriage is > correct. Even when the husband was not ill, she had to go through > lot of trouble due to his drinking habits. > > I am not sure...but I think he got a minor heart attack earlier too. > I do not know the exact date of his stroke which put him to bed, but > it was somewhere in 2001, during her Saturn erashtaka period. He is > still alive. Walks and eats. Speech is not very clear...but not bad.> > This lady does not have children of her own though she wanted one > desparately. Adopted a baby girl in 1993 August.> > She watns to be religious. She has good qualities. Yet..she is not > what she pretends to be. I think Rahu in the 9th explains this trait > in her. She envies those who are better off. At the same time her > doors are opened to her family when in need..> > blessings> > Renu> > > > > > > , "sunil nair" > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> >> > > > > > Hare ramakrishna ,> > > > dear renu ji ,> > > > > > > > Thanks for sharing the chart .> > > > > > > > The chart provided u can see that the 7th lord is gone to 6th > house (> > house of diceases and debts and struggles and problems .9th has > rahu >it> > says malefic in 9th will not support 8th house house of > longitivity of> > marriage and it can giv a sort of parivrajya yoga .> > > > > > > > Also if u see Karaka venus ,its in Papa karthari and the marka > lord s> > are merc and sani from it .Rahu is in sani s rasi and 6th from > venus> > .The 8th lord from venus is jup and also 22nd drekkana lord .> > > > > > > > Rahu is aspected by sun the 64th navamsa Lord from lagna (self ) > and> > moon ( shows mental tensions) also mercury who is marka from venus > and> > also 64th navamsa Lord from venus .> > > > > > > > if u see from moon also u can see mars in 7th house .4th house is> > afflicted .> > > > rahu has given its amsa in 6th house kanya ,were sat is positioned > and> > also in 2nd to venus .> > > > > > > > and she born in ketu dasa ,so rahu periods can be trouble > some .rahu in> > nakhshatra of mars .( It says those who born in period of rahu or > ketu> > then mutual ketu or rahu period can be pain ful )> > > > > > > > so from every points there is affliction> > > > ( off course this is post mortem analaysis ) but in matchting we > will> > see both charts with dasa s ) and i think in 2001 she was having> > sadesati also and jup in unhelpful 3rd house from moon ( u dont > giv me> > the dates )> > > > > > > > So along with a bad transit and un helpful dasa of rahu and its sub> > period the problem may show up .U see trnsit sani was in lagna and> > aspecting 7th house and jup was aspecting 7th Lord >rahu also in > star of> > of mars >And previou dasa was of mars ,so seed of the problem may > lie in> > its dasa ,whter this was his first heart attack ???> > > > > > > > Here jup in 12th might hav protected her vaidavya .And may be > still he> > is alive .> > > > U hav not provided her habbits or qualities .How is she ,whether> > religious or showing some false notions etc as rahu is in 9th > house of> > dharma and jup in 12house of expenditue .> > > > > > > > > > > > also wanted to know abt her kids> > > > > > > > thank u for posting a intersting chart as usual .> > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > Om shreem mahalaxmai namah ,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "renunw" <renunw@>> > wrote:> > >> > > Dear learned members,> > >> > > I have a female with Jupiter in 12H. Her Jupiter major period is > yet> > > to come. But during Rahu/Rahu/Jupiter her husband had a stroke > and> > > still he is an ivalid. She carries on her shoulders the household> > > burdens. Though the husband is alive...she is kind of a widow.> > >> > > Let me give you the birth details.> > >> > > August 11, 1952 @ 1.10 AM in Horana, Sri Lanka.> > >> > > blessings> > > Renu> > >> > >> > > , "sunil nair"> > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Hare ramakrishana .> > > >> > > > dear tatvamasi ji .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > No i cant digest this adage jupiter destroys and sani protect> > > the sign> > > > or house .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > In this chart there is enough afflictions are there and only > jup> > > dasa> > > > has given her marriage .U see the house ,karaka ,Lord scheme > and> > > see how> > > > its afflicted or in papakartary also u can see that rahu in 4th> > > house> > > > .And her dasa after birth dasha was 6yrs some thing mars and > then> > > rahu (> > > > ur favrite and same rahu dont giv marriage in its period so > who is> > > > protecting and destroying houses also u can see that those who> > > follow> > > > rahu is owner of aqua scheme again rahu dont giv family > happiness -> > > -if> > > > its owner of the house ) ,may be rahu can giv delay in > education> > > or a> > > > lov failure .Then this jupiter period Has given the marriage .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > From moon also u can see it ,the relevent house in PKY .also > see> > > from> > > > venus the karaka in 7th house sani is debilated .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > so delay for marriage is there and rite dasas also has > operate .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > regrds sunil nair> > > >> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah> > > >> > > >> > > > , "nameisego"> > > > <nameisego@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Friends,> > > > >> > > > > I have a chart of a female jathaka with Guru in 12th which is> > > Shayya> > > > > Sukha sthana.> > > > > Bhava Nasha Karo Jeeva dictum is being discussed here .> > > > > This girl got married in 37th year .She got married in June> > > 2006.in> > > > > Guru dasa.> > > > > Guru in 12th can also result in delayed/failed marriage.> > > > >> > > > > Female> > > > > DOB...25th Nov 1970> > > > > TOB....7.45 am> > > > > POB....Bangalore> > > > >> > > > > Tatvam-Asi> > > > >> > > > > , "Sreenadh"> > > > > sreesog@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Chandrahari ji,> > > > > > I apprecioate your view. But note that Jupiter is the lord > of> > > > > 9th> > > > > > house in the natural horoscope. 9th house is considered as > the> > > > > house of> > > > > > luck, and as a house providing good husband and children> > > especially> > > > > for> > > > > > women. Being significator of male some even consider > Jupiter as> > > > > the> > > > > > natural significator of husband - even though this > argument is> > > not> > > > > wide> > > > > > spread. So the point I would suggest is the - verification > of> > > > > results> > > > > > from the known horoscopes. Apart from quoting the sloka, > and> > > > > pointing> > > > > > to the possibility of a natural benefic giving inauspicious> > > > > results, I> > > > > > don't had any other intention. But now I feel that we can > make> > > it a> > > > > > point of research, so that it can be confirmed or negated> > > based on> > > > > known> > > > > > charts with the same combination.> > > > > > Note: Those who provide the charts with Jupiter in 12th, > please> > > > > ensure> > > > > > that the dasa of Jupiter already happened that too after> > > marriage in> > > > > > those horoscopes.> > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > --- In> > > , "chandra_hari18"> > > > > > <chandra_hari18@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Quoted above is absolute nonsense. Jupiter in the 12th is> > > > > > > benevolnent for the 8th house of Mangalyam because of> > > Jupiter's> > > > > > > beneficial full aspect on the 9th house. 12th house > Jupiter> > > is a> > > > > > > kind of antidote even for dire malefics in the 8th > house. So> > > there> > > > > > > is no question of 12th house Jupiter causing widowhood.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > chandra hari> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > , Kiran R> > > > > > > kiran.rama@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadhji,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > "Jupiter in 12th house may make a woman a widow" - This> > > does not> > > > > > > hold good if Jupiter is in own house or exalted - and > even> > > if in> > > > > > > 12th house, it can cause widowhood only in its dasa.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > That is the problem today with mechanical > interpretation of> > > > > > > slokas - The exceptions are usually in a sloka at the > end of> > > 2> > > > > > > succeeding chapters !!!> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > Kiran> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote: Dear> > > > > > > Arjun ji,> > > > > > > > ==>> > > > > > > > > if a native has an exalted benefic planet> > > > > > > > > in su or swasthana with no negative affliction and > his> > > > > mahadasa> > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > running, the native shall get good results but if> > > sadesathi is> > > > > > > > > running, the native does not enjoy the good results > and> > > rather> > > > > > > > > witness some negative results.> > > > > > > > <==> > > > > > > > True. > > > > > > > > ==>> > > > > > > > > regarding the mangal dosha, the mail i wrote was > only for> > > > > > > theoretical> > > > > > > > > knowledge of the members as to how the hype was made > out> > > of> > > > > it.> > > > > > > > <==> > > > > > > > I agree with you. But still would say that > definitely> > > > > badly> > > > > > > placed Malefics will give inauspicious results for > sure. > > > Why> > > > > > > malefics alone, even natural benefics can give many> > > inauspicious> > > > > > > results. For example -> > > > > > > > Ande gurur hi Vidhavam, dinakrit daridram> > > > > > > > Chandro dhana vyayakara kuladam cha rahuH> > > > > > > > (Sthri Jatakam)> > > > > > > > Meaning, if Jupiter is in 12th house the woman may > become a> > > > > > > widow; if Sun is in 12th house the woman may become> > > penniless; if> > > > > > > Moon in 12th there could be much expence; if Rahu in 12th> > > house> > > > > the> > > > > > > women may cause bad name for her family.> > > > > > > > Note that all these results manifest ONLY IF the dasa > also> > > > > > > matches. If Jupiter in 7th in Capricorn for Cancer > lagna, the> > > > > same> > > > > > > can cause death of wife/husband in its dasa. If Jupiter > or> > > Venus> > > > > is> > > > > > > in 8th from lagna for an women the chances for abortion > is> > > high.> > > > > So> > > > > > > in matching what should be considered - the position of > the> > > > > malefics> > > > > > > (like Mars) alone or the specific results indicated by > the> > > various> > > > > > > (benefic and malefic) planets? This is the point one > should> > > > > > > meditate upon if they are approaching astrology > sincerely and> > > > > > > systematically. I agree with you to a great extend - and> > > feel that> > > > > > > from two different perspectives, you and Sunil ji are> > > presenting> > > > > one> > > > > > > and the same point.> > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > --- In> > > > > , "panditarjun2004"> > > > > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > dear kiranji> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > astrology in olden days even with all these 1001> > > principles> > > > > and> > > > > > > > > exceptions used to be a simple job for the > traditionally> > > > > learnt> > > > > > > > > people but with the computer revolution making a > hundred> > > page> > > > > > > > > comprehensive astro analysis at the click of a button> > > and each> > > > > > > page> > > > > > > > > giving an ambivalent view, the native gets confused > with> > > the> > > > > > > > > conflicting reports from each section. the astrologer> > > has to> > > > > > > spend> > > > > > > > > lot of time in seeing, checking, overseeing all areas> > > and then> > > > > > > come> > > > > > > > > to a cohesive conclusion. if a native has an exalted> > > benefic> > > > > > > planet> > > > > > > > > in su or swasthana with no negative affliction and > his> > > > > mahadasa> > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > running, the native shall get good results but if> > > sadesathi is> > > > > > > > > running, the native does not enjoy the good results > and> > > rather> > > > > > > > > witness some negative results.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > once i could not find any reason for the various> > > sufferings of> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > native and then i asked him to check whether his > brother> > > has> > > > > > > mars in> > > > > > > > > the 8th house and then he confirmed it. so sometimes> > > even just> > > > > > > > > checking the individual chart is not sufficient as > other> > > > > charts> > > > > > > too> > > > > > > > > have vicarious impact.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > regarding the mangal dosha, the mail i wrote was > only for> > > > > > > theoretical> > > > > > > > > knowledge of the members as to how the hype was made > out> > > of> > > > > it.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings> > > > > > > > > pandit arjun> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > , > Kiran R> > > > > > > > > kiran.rama@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Well said Panditji....> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > samya will not work in all cases -> > > > > > > > > > Samya is usually done for 1, 2, 4, 7, 8, 12 houses > for> > > > > > > marriage -> > > > > > > > > logic being 7th is spouse, 8th is sustenance of> > > marriage, 4th> > > > > is> > > > > > > > > sukha, 2nd is kutumba, 12th is pleasure and 1st is > native> > > > > himself> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Suppose X has 2nd lord in dustana and malefic in > 2nd> > > house -> > > > > > > he is> > > > > > > > > going to have problems in earned wealth - if he > marries> > > > > another> > > > > > > girl> > > > > > > > > with 2nd lord in dustana/malefic in 2nd house - both > will> > > > > > > > > have "Daridrathana"> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I think it makes sense logically for a person who > has> > > a bad> > > > > > > 2nd> > > > > > > > > house to look to marry someone with good 2nd house so> > > that it> > > > > > > gets> > > > > > > > > cancelled - and same logic to all houses as well> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Regarding doshas, mere presence of malefic in> > > 1,2,4,7,8,12> > > > > > > houses> > > > > > > > > does not cause papatwa - what if the house lord is in> > > sustana?> > > > > > > There> > > > > > > > > can be benefic aspecting the house? the malefic > planet> > > dasa> > > > > > > maybe> > > > > > > > > over? the malefic maybe lord of two sustanas...etc> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > So maybe a better idea to judge all the houses and> > > come to> > > > > > > > > conclusion> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > panditarjun2004 panditarjun2004@> > > > > > > > > wrote: dear friends> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > this mangal dosha is purportedly caused by merely > mars> > > > > finding> > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > place in 1,2,4,7,8,12 houses (half of the houses) > that> > > too> > > > > > > seen> > > > > > > > > from> > > > > > > > > > lagna, moon and some say even from venus. some > states> > > in> > > > > india> > > > > > > do> > > > > > > > > > not reckon 2nd house and similarly some astrologers> > > dont see> > > > > > > mars> > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > these houses from chandra and sukra to brand a > native> > > > > manglik.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > there are more than a dozen rules where this so > called> > > > > mangli> > > > > > > yoga> > > > > > > > > > gets nullified through a mangli bhang yoga.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > no ancient classic has any yoga by this name and > the> > > genesis> > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > this> > > > > > > > > > yoga lies in the individual narration of how mars > gives> > > > > > > results> > > > > > > > > when> > > > > > > > > > placed in the houses 1,4,7,8,12. if any astrologer> > > reads> > > > > > > > > carefully> > > > > > > > > > the entire probable dispositions of mars in these> > > houses in> > > > > > > > > speicific> > > > > > > > > > relation to marriage, we find only 7,8,12 house > placed> > > mars> > > > > > > giving> > > > > > > > > > some problems and not the other houses especially > the> > > > > > > vaidhavya> > > > > > > > > yoga.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > logically kiranji's observation is valid that two> > > wrongs> > > > > cant> > > > > > > make> > > > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > right. a completely blind man marrying a completely> > > blind> > > > > > > woman> > > > > > > > > does> > > > > > > > > > not remove their blindness and let them see the > world.> > > on a> > > > > > > > > positive> > > > > > > > > > side, if the mars placement in a male chart > suggests> > > that> > > > > the> > > > > > > man> > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > a womaniser, he would find good company in > marrying a> > > woman> > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > similar yoga in her chart as both are broadminded!> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > in all matrimonial websites and advertisements > mangliks> > > > > > > > > specifically> > > > > > > > > > search only for mangliks thinking that both are > made> > > for> > > > > each> > > > > > > > > other> > > > > > > > > > or both are best compatible to each other.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > the much hyped verse "lagne vyayecha patale > jamitrech> > > > > ashtame> > > > > > > > > kuje,> > > > > > > > > > kanya bhartru vinashaya, bharta kanya vinashakrut"> > > does not> > > > > > > allow> > > > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > manglik to marry another manglik as it is > internecine> > > for> > > > > both.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > but two more verses appeared in modern astrology > texts> > > (not> > > > > > > > > ancient,> > > > > > > > > > not even medieval) that says as follows:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > kuja doshvatri deya kuja doshavate kila:> > > > > > > > > > nadista dosho na chanista dampatyo sukhavardhana.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > this verse says that if one manglik marries another> > > manglik,> > > > > > > > > mangal> > > > > > > > > > does not do any evil and rather both enjoy love and> > > > > happiness.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > bhauma tulyo yada bhauma, paapo va tadvasho bhavet> > > > > > > > > > udvaha subhada prokta chiraayu putra pautrada.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > this verse says that if a man's chart has a malefic> > > mars and> > > > > > > if> > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > woman's chart has similar malefic mars or another> > > malefic> > > > > > > planet> > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > equal proportion, marriage between both is > auspicious.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > astrologers have been given so many choicest > sholkas> > > from> > > > > > > books to> > > > > > > > > > first fix a native manglik, check the dozens of > mangli> > > > > bhanga> > > > > > > > > yogas> > > > > > > > > > and then find another manglik and make the marriage> > > between> > > > > > > both> > > > > > > > > > auspicious.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings> > > > > > > > > > pandit arjun> > > > > > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > --- In> > > , "Sreenadh"> > > > > > > > > > <sreesog@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kiran ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > I have observed that if both male and female> > > horoscope> > > > > has> > > > > > > > > same> > > > > > > > > > dosha> > > > > > > > > > > (e.g: Kuja dosha),> > > > > > > > > > > > then it gets cancelled.> > > > > > > > > > > I doubt that statement about your 'observation';> > > rather it> > > > > > > > > is a> > > > > > > > > > > logical 'belief'; Ask Sunil ji to clarify you > will> > > get a> > > > > > > better> > > > > > > > > > picture.> > > > > > > > > > > I am not debating whether the results> > > gets 'cancelled' or> > > > > > > not -> > > > > > > > > > that the> > > > > > > > > > > people who experienced it having the same> > > combination will> > > > > > > > > clarify.> > > > > > > > > > > What I am stresssing is that, it is a> > > logical 'belief';> > > > > > > rather> > > > > > > > > than> > > > > > > > > > > something 'observed' by the people.> > > > > > > > > > > Hope this helps.> > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ,> > > Kiran R> > > > > > > > > > > <kiran.rama@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Good post Sunilji,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > I have observed that if both male and female> > > horoscope> > > > > has> > > > > > > > > same> > > > > > > > > > dosha> > > > > > > > > > > (e.g: Kuja dosha), then it gets cancelled. This > is a> > > > > mystery> > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > me> > > > > > > > > > as if> > > > > > > > > > > both have dosha both must suffer and have bad > life.> > > How> > > > > does> > > > > > > > > dosha> > > > > > > > > > get> > > > > > > > > > > cancelled if it is present in both?> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks> > > > > > > > > > > > Kiran> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > hare rama krishna ,> > > > > > > > > > > > dear grp and memebrs .> > > > > > > > > > > > This is my post long back published in another > grp> > > and> > > > > now> > > > > > > > > again> > > > > > > > > > many> > > > > > > > > > > requests happening in personal and grp mails i> > > thought of> > > > > re> > > > > > > > > > posting it> > > > > > > > > > > .> > > > > > > > > > > > actualy sreenadhji was discussing abt it some > days> > > back> > > > > > > and i> > > > > > > > > > promised> > > > > > > > > > > him i will write and then do any modifications> > > required;> > > > > > > > > > > > so here is my post> > > > > > > > > > > > ==============> > > > > > > > > > > > In kerala and what i know generaly in south > india> > > we> > > > > start> > > > > > > by> > > > > > > > > > > matchting the rasi in 10 ways like > rasi,rasyaadhipa> > > (they> > > > > use> > > > > > > > > > differnet> > > > > > > > > > > than normal frndship concept),vasyam,ganam(nature> > > like> > > > > > > > > > > godly,demonly),yoni> > > (male /female),dinam,mahendra,stree> > > > > > > > > > > dergham(dooram),rejju and vedham these are 10 and> > > giving> > > > > > > each> > > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > mark> > > > > > > > > > > and see if there is more marks and still rejju> > > > > (ayurvedic -> > > > > > > vata> > > > > > > > > > > ,pitta,kapha-i think)and vedha a must> > > > > > > > > > > > or u can use ashta koota methods prevalent in> > > north .> > > > > > > > > > > > Then we go for papa samya> > > > > > > > > > > > lagana(body),2nd(family and speech),4th house> > > (family> > > > > > > > > happiness> > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > sukha stan),7th house (house of marriage ) ,8th > house> > > > > > > (deergha> > > > > > > > > > mangala> > > > > > > > > > > stan and maraka place and house of money of > partner)> > > and> > > > > 12> > > > > > > th> > > > > > > > > > house is> > > > > > > > > > > sayana sukha stan and house of expenditure------> so> > > there> > > > > is> > > > > > > 6> > > > > > > > > places> > > > > > > > > > > > we see any malifics are there in above said > places> > > from> > > > > > > > > > > LAGANA,MOON(MIND) AND VENUS (INDICATOR OF > MARRIAGE> > > LIFE),> > > > > > > > > > > > some people will giv equal weightage to lagna > and> > > moon> > > > > (as> > > > > > > > > > considered> > > > > > > > > > > 2nd lagan) venus less weightage as some r of the> > > opinion> > > > > > > that the> > > > > > > > > > > papatwa to venus cannot be remedied as a man with> > > loose> > > > > > > morals> > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > girl> > > > > > > > > > > with equaly loose morals can not make good > couples,> > > they> > > > > see> > > > > > > 4th> > > > > > > > > > and 8th> > > > > > > > > > > matching only,Only see if too much points venus > is> > > gaining> > > > > > > esp> > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > case of girl,it may boost immoral tendencies or > deny> > > > > normal> > > > > > > > > family> > > > > > > > > > > happyness by giving separation or even illness--> it> > > depends> > > > > > > on the> > > > > > > > > > > horoscope,> > > > > > > > > > > > papatwa is considered in decressing order> > > > > > > 8/7/4/12/2/1.Most> > > > > > > > > > malefic is> > > > > > > > > > > mars(planet of aggression and sudden > actions),then> > > > > sani,then> > > > > > > > > > sun,rahu> > > > > > > > > > > finaly ketu,> > > > > > > > > > > > also giv some marks like mars-4/sani-3/sun-> 2/rah> > > and> > > > > ketu-> > > > > > > 1> > > > > > > > > also> > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > lagana-5/2nd house2/4th house-3,7th house-4/8th> > > house-> > > > > 6/12th> > > > > > > > > house 1> > > > > > > > > > > > Again this we hav to see exceptions ,own house> > > > > > > > > debilataion ,means> > > > > > > > > > good> > > > > > > > > > > strenght can decrees the value and planet neecha > or> > > moudya> > > > > > > > > (combust )> > > > > > > > > > > will get 100% value.Only aspect of benefics can> > > reduce the> > > > > > > > > effects> > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > malifics will surely increase the effects.> > > > > > > > > > > > Main consideration while analysing----> > > > > > > > > > > > 1) Papa grahas should b some what equal > position or> > > > > > > countering> > > > > > > > > > > position> > > > > > > > > > > > 2)If malefic is benefic from bhava concerned > can> > > giv> > > > > > > reduction> > > > > > > > > > > > 3)if malefic is yoga karak again papatwa will > be> > > reduced> > > > > > > > > > > > 4)see major dasa of papas has passed and see > their> > > sub> > > > > > > period> > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > do> > > > > > > > > > > the assessments> > > > > > > > > > > > 5)If lady having widowhood in horoscope match > with> > > a> > > > > > > person> > > > > > > > > who> > > > > > > > > > has> > > > > > > > > > > two marriage or wife marana yaga( death of wife )> > > > > > > > > > > > 6)Main considerations shud b given to 7th and > 8th> > > > > position> > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > malefics> > > > > > > > > > > > 7)Then in mans horo papa( malefics ) should b > in> > > 7th> > > > > house> > > > > > > > > > > > 8)Even if in female horoscope papas( malefics) > r> > > in 7th> > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > 8th,if a> > > > > > > > > > > strong benefic in 9th then it s solved > automaticaly .> > > > > > > > > > > > AS---- navame shubha samyukte sapape aste> > > ashtamepi va> > > > > > > > > > > > pathi putra yuta nari modate natra samsaya> > > > > > > > > > > > 9)see if papa graha dasas coming immediatly > after> > > > > marriage.> > > > > > > > > > > > 10)dasa santhi nirnayam> > > > > > > > > > > > see in both horoscopes same period dasa ends> > > within 6> > > > > > > months> > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > > years ends .See next dasa is maraka, or papa or > weak> > > then> > > > > > > those> > > > > > > > > > > horoscopes shud not b matched> > > > > > > > > > > > same period dasa of enemy of lagna lord is> > > happening and> > > > > > > see> > > > > > > > > its> > > > > > > > > > > promise in the horoscope.> > > > > > > > > > > > same period dasa of mutualy enemys like sun in > and> > > sani> > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > another or> > > > > > > > > > > rahu in one guru or venus and guru> > > > > > > > > > > > see the period of marakas in each horoscope and> > > should> > > > > not> > > > > > > run> > > > > > > > > > > together at one time> > > > > > > > > > > > Also ones maraka dasa and anothers weak dasa > of 7th> > > > > lord or> > > > > > > > > > > karaka,like papayuta,papakartari,neecha etc > should> > > not> > > > > > > happen at> > > > > > > > > > same> > > > > > > > > > > time.> > > > > > > > > > > > if malefics r in 8th house which can cause> > > vaidhavya> > > > > > > > > > (widowhood),see> > > > > > > > > > > the 8th lord and see in whose house he attained > in> > > > > navamsa -> > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > his> > > > > > > > > > > naisargika dasa can giv the effects.like moon > within> > > a> > > > > > > year,mars> > > > > > > > > > within> > > > > > > > > > > two year sun 50years ,guru-18th years after > marriage> > > > > > > > > > > > or it can giv in dasa of malefics in 8th house> > > > > > > > > > > > then santana chinta (progency) and prosperity > and> > > yoga> > > > > > > chinta -> > > > > > > > > > like> > > > > > > > > > > this all kinds of stuff frm two> > > horoscopes,longitivity> > > > > > > should b> > > > > > > > > > > calculated firstly before matchting> > > > > > > > > > > > then i hav see an elaborate prashna whether > there> > > is> > > > > > > > > > daivaanukulyam> > > > > > > > > > > (wish of god ) for this union and see all kinds > of> > > > > nimittas> > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > omens> > > > > > > > > > > > Now a days nimittas can happen only in villages> > > and in> > > > > > > towns> > > > > > > > > its> > > > > > > > > > at> > > > > > > > > > > the discreation of astrologer to add or deduct> > > according> > > > > to> > > > > > > his> > > > > > > > > > > experience and reasoning power .> > > > > > > > > > > > all good omens like bringings of > perfumes,sandal> > > and> > > > > > > > > > kumkum,somebody> > > > > > > > > > > is bringing mangal sutra,gold or new > dress,married> > > ladies> > > > > or> > > > > > > > > couples> > > > > > > > > > > coming,seeing of astamangala materials,some come> > > > > > > singing,mangala> > > > > > > > > > dwani> > > > > > > > > > > like sankh(conch),bells ringing,cows> > > > > > > > > coming,elephant,royals,horses> > > > > > > > > > all> > > > > > > > > > > are considerd good.> > > > > > > > > > > > some nimittas are bad which needs special > attention> > > > > > > > > > > > seeing somebody puts his finger in some hole > or in> > > > > > > > > nose /seeing> > > > > > > > > > some> > > > > > > > > > > animals/birds mating --suddenly jyothishi can > say not> > > > > > > > > reccommended> > > > > > > > > > for> > > > > > > > > > > matching.(actualy i find all this depends on > upasana> > > > > balam (> > > > > > > > > > spiritual> > > > > > > > > > > power ) of jyothishi)> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > I hope it can giv some what clear idea abt> > > matching and> > > > > > > see> > > > > > > > > its> > > > > > > > > > not a> > > > > > > > > > > Soft ware job .It needs a good calibre jyothishi > and> > > who> > > > > > > learned> > > > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > good> > > > > > > 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No problem. CHAT from any> > > browser,> > > > > > > without> > > > > > > > > > > download.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Explore your hobbies and interests. Click here to> > > begin.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Download prohibited? No problem. CHAT from any browser,> > > without> > > > > > > download.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

February 1, 2008

Namaste Sreenadh ji..

///Shashtashtama kantakago gurur uchho bhavati

Meena lagne va Janmani marane va mokshgatimahuH

(Leghu Jatakam)

[if Jupiter is in 6th, 8th or 12th from lagna especially in

exaltation; or if Jupiter is in Pisces lagna - at the time of birth

or death the same can indicate Moksha gati]

This sloka clearly indicates that Jupiter in 6th, 8th or 12th

increases one's interest in spirituality and realization - which of

course is usually causes negative influence regarding happy family

life with wife - and sex life. Possibly such too much interest in

spirituality too can cause a house-wreck. ///

Another chart with native having exalted retro Jupiter in 6H conjunct

Rahu, native had relationship breakdown and other issues, left home

on own accord,, disenchanted with life, turned to spirituality during

MD of shani, placed in 4H conjunct mars..

regards

Sheevani

, " sheevani147 "

<sheevani147 wrote:

>

> Namaste Sreenadhji..

>

> ///Shashtashtama kantakago gurur uchho bhavati

> Meena lagne va Janmani marane va mokshgatimahuH

> (Leghu Jatakam)

> [if Jupiter is in 6th, 8th or 12th from lagna especially in

> exaltation; or if Jupiter is in Pisces lagna - at the time of birth

> or death the same can indicate Moksha gati]

> This sloka clearly indicates that Jupiter in 6th, 8th or 12th

> increases one's interest in spirituality and realization - which of

> course is usually causes negative influence regarding happy family

> life with wife - and sex life. Possibly such too much interest in

> spirituality too can cause a house-wreck. ///

>

> Very interesting to note.. Of course interest in spirituality may

> develop, triggered by the relationship breakdown too.. as was my

> experience.. Disenchartment with life and seeking inner strength to

> carry out one's duties in life, with detachment..

>

> Warmest regards

> Sheevani

>

> , sreenadh

> <sreesog@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Chandrahari ji,

> > I agree that of course Jupiter is a natural benefice, but then

> too feel that possibly Jupiter in 12th can indicate many bad

results

> such as marriage problems, divorce, or even death of husband as

told

> by strijataka - provided other combinations also support the

same.

> In this moment the point that comes to my mind related to the

> possibility is a sloka which reads -

> > Shashtashtama kantakago gurur uchho bhavati

> > Meena lagne va Janmani marane va mokshgatimahuH

> > (Leghu Jatakam)

> > [if Jupiter is in 6th, 8th or 12th from lagna especially in

> exaltation; or if Jupiter is in Pisces lagna - at the time of birth

> or death the same can indicate Moksha gati]

> > This sloka clearly indicates that Jupiter in 6th, 8th or 12th

> increases one's interest in spirituality and realization - which of

> course is usually causes negative influence regarding happy family

> life with wife - and sex life. Possibly such too much interest in

> spirituality too can cause a house-wreck.

> > Any way I am not stressing this point, but instead I will go

> through the classics and comeback with more material either in

> support of this argument or negativing - so that we can be sure

does

> the books like Strijataka which provides us with such slokas has

the

> support for the same in Rishi horas or not. Mean while we can

verify

> the same with real life experiences.

> > Love and regards,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > chandra_hari18 <chandra_hari18@>

> wrote:

> > Dear Sreenadh,

> > Let's not mistakenly blame Jupiter for widowhood. 9th house has

> nothing to do with Mangalyam except that it is 2nd from 8th and

hence

> a benefic in 9th augurs well for the longevity of the husband.

Other

> details like luck etc are secondary things. Luck, wealth, fame etc

> can come through bad ways like insurance policies too. Jupiter as

> natural significator of 9th (Bhavakaraka) may not be that critical.

> > But when we consider 8th house malefics, there is no better

> antidote than Guru in 12th and as you may be knowing this is an

> important classical dictum that Jnana_Vrddhas adhere to in Kerala.

> > Jupiter can cause widowhood when Jupiter is lord of Navamsa

Lagna

> weakly placed by debiliation or other factors. As lord of Lagna

> debiliated in Navamsa too, Jupiter can cause widowhood or

separation

> (adverse to marital life).

> > Unless we learn to examine navamsa correctly along with a

reliable

> timing technique like Vimsottari dasa, the truth of astrological

> basics cannot be well understood and we will end up blaming

Jupiter.

> Remember that a " Yogamaraka " theory originated in the past based on

> the horoscope of Tagore who died in Rahu-Mars.

> > chandra hari

> >

> > , " Sreenadh "

> <sreesog@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Chandrahari ji,

> > > I apprecioate your view. But note that Jupiter is the lord of

9th

> > > house in the natural horoscope. 9th house is considered as the

> house of

> > > luck, and as a house providing good husband and children

> especially for

> > > women. Being significator of male some even consider Jupiter as

> the

> > > natural significator of husband - even though this argument is

> not wide

> > > spread. So the point I would suggest is the - verification of

> results

> > > from the known horoscopes. Apart from quoting the sloka, and

> pointing

> > > to the possibility of a natural benefic giving inauspicious

> results, I

> > > don't had any other intention. But now I feel that we can make

it

> a

> > > point of research, so that it can be confirmed or negated based

> on known

> > > charts with the same combination.

> > > Note: Those who provide the charts with Jupiter in 12th, please

> ensure

> > > that the dasa of Jupiter already happened that too after

marriage

> in

> > > those horoscopes.

> > > Love and regards,

> > > Sreenadh

> >

> > Sreenadh

> > :

> /

> >

> > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with

Mobile.

> Try it now.

> >

>

February 1, 2008

Dear Sreenadhji and all other learned members,Here's another interesting case of 12th house Jupiter, who happens to be the lagna lord also.Male: 29.4.1959/22.30/DelhiSagitarius lagan with retrograde saturn, Moon in 2H, Mer and Ket in 4H, Sun in 5H, Ven in 6th, Mars in 7H, rahu in 10th and a retrograde Jupiter in 12H.

The native has just finished his Jupiter Mahadasha in September 2007. Now the interesting point here is, at the end of his Jupiter dasha, he has all his kendras blank in his life. No body, no home, no wife and no job.

His wife left him in 2005 and he is fighting a divorce case. He was chucked out by the MNC he was working for, although he was in top management cadre getting about 60 lakh per annum. He has no home to call his own. He's dejected and depressed, on the verge of a breakdown.

Just a few noteworthy points:Lagan lord is in 12th house (from lagan, from moon as well as navmansh)Jupiter is strongly placed in 12th house (remember retrograde jupiter is strong in all rashis except capricorn)

7th and 10th lord Mercury is debilitated in 4H in R/K axis.There is no benefic in kendras, and no rajyoga formed with tikona lords (except if you take a retrograde aspect of Jupiter which is debatable).The navamsh kendras have become empty.

Do you think its a kendradhipati dosh in operation during the Jupiter dasha? Kendra lords not being well placed.The Kendras signify Vishnu, the maintainer, and the Trikonas signify Lakshmiji, the Goddess of Fortune. Thus the Kendras indicate things that we should maintain (1st-body, 4th-home, 7th-wife, 10th-work). On the other hand, the Trikonas indicate fortune (Purva Punya dharma and religiousness in this life). So if there's a connection between Kendras and Trikonas through their lords being conjunct, in Parivartana or at least in aspect, the Yoga of Lakshmi and Vishnu is created, which brings success. However, if there's only the Kendras, with no contact from the Trikonas, then there will be no fortune, opportunities and there will be nothing to maintain. This is the case with Kendradhipaqti Dosh. The results of the planet are limited because of no yoga with the Trikonas. This dosh is specifically applicable to the four dual signs or Jupiter and Mercury as when they are kendra lords, both their signs fall in kendras only. Though for Sagittarius and Virgo lagnas, their mooltrikon sign falls in lagan which is also a trikon, they become dosh-rahit or dosh is not so much (BPHS).

There are several other factors also in the chart that seem to attribute to this condition. I would appreciate the opinion of leaned members on this one? Love and regardsneelam

On 01/02/2008, sreenadh <sreesog wrote:

Dear Chandrahari ji, I agree that of course Jupiter is a natural benefice, but then too feel that possibly Jupiter in 12th can indicate many bad results such as marriage problems, divorce, or even death of husband as told by strijataka - provided other combinations also support the same. In this moment the point that comes to my mind related to the possibility is a sloka which reads -

Shashtashtama kantakago gurur uchho bhavati Meena lagne va Janmani marane va

mokshgatimahuH (Leghu Jatakam)

[if Jupiter is in 6th, 8th or 12th from lagna especially in exaltation; or if Jupiter is in Pisces lagna - at the time of birth or death the same can indicate Moksha gati]

This sloka clearly indicates that Jupiter in 6th, 8th or 12th increases one's interest in spirituality and realization - which of

course is usually causes negative influence regarding happy family life with wife - and sex life. Possibly such too much interest in spirituality too can cause a house-wreck.

Any way I am not stressing this point, but instead I will go through the classics and comeback with more material either in support of this argument or negativing - so that we can be sure does the books like Strijataka which provides us with such slokas has the support for the same in Rishi horas or not. Mean while we can verify the same with real life experiences.

Love and regards,Sreenadh

chandra_hari18 <chandra_hari18 wrote:

Dear Sreenadh, Let's not mistakenly blame Jupiter for widowhood. 9th house has nothing to do with Mangalyam except that it is 2nd from 8th and hence a benefic in 9th augurs well for the longevity of the husband. Other details like luck etc are secondary things. Luck, wealth, fame etc can come through bad ways like insurance policies too. Jupiter as natural significator of 9th (Bhavakaraka) may not be that

critical. But when we consider 8th house malefics, there is no better antidote than Guru in 12th and as you may be knowing this is an important classical dictum that Jnana_Vrddhas adhere to in Kerala.

Jupiter can cause widowhood when Jupiter is lord of Navamsa Lagna weakly placed by debiliation or other factors. As lord of Lagna debiliated in Navamsa too, Jupiter can cause widowhood or separation (adverse to marital life).

Unless we learn to examine navamsa correctly along with a reliable timing technique like Vimsottari dasa, the truth of astrological basics cannot be well understood and we will end up blaming Jupiter. Remember that a " Yogamaraka " theory originated in the past based on the horoscope of Tagore who died in Rahu-Mars.

chandra hari , " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote:

>> > Dear Chandrahari ji,> I apprecioate your view. But note that Jupiter is the lord of 9th> house in the natural horoscope. 9th house is considered as the house of> luck, and as a house providing good husband and children especially for

> women. Being significator of male some even consider Jupiter as the> natural significator of husband - even though this argument is not wide> spread. So the point I would suggest is the - verification of results

> from the known horoscopes. Apart from quoting the sloka, and pointing> to the possibility of a natural benefic giving inauspicious results, I> don't had any other intention. But now I feel that we can make it a

> point of research, so that it can be confirmed or negated based on known>

charts with the same combination.> Note: Those who provide the charts with Jupiter in 12th, please ensure> that the dasa of Jupiter already happened that too after marriage in> those horoscopes.

> Love and regards,> SreenadhSreenadh : /

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February 1, 2008

Dear Sunil ji,

I should be thanking you for giving opportunities to learn.

Thank you...

blessings

Renu

, "sunil nair" <astro_tellerkera , "sunil nair" <astro_tellerkerala wrote:>> > > > Hare ramakrishna ,> > dear renu ji .> > > > I always appreciates ur kind words and feed back ,when ever i post a> discussion i will be expecting some charts from Ur archives and as usual> u never disappointed me .> > > > I thank u lot for everything .> > > > regrds sunil nair> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> > > , "renunw" renunw@> wrote:> >> >> >> >> > It is always nice to read your explanations. They carry lot of> > information. Thanks...> >> > All what you mentioned about the afflicitons to her marriage is> > correct. Even when the husband was not ill, she had to go through> > lot of trouble due to his drinking habits.> >> > I am not sure...but I think he got a minor heart attack earlier too.> > I do not know the exact date of his stroke which put him to bed, but> > it was somewhere in 2001, during her Saturn erashtaka period. He is> > still alive. Walks and eats. Speech is not very clear...but not bad.> >> > This lady does not have children of her own though she wanted one> > desparately. Adopted a baby girl in 1993 August.> >> > She watns to be religious. She has good qualities. Yet..she is not> > what she pretends to be. I think Rahu in the 9th explains this trait> > in her. She envies those who are better off. At the same time her> > doors are opened to her family when in need..> >> > blessings> >> > Renu> >> >> >> >> >> >> > , "sunil nair"> > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > >> > >> > >> > > Hare ramakrishna ,> > >> > > dear renu ji ,> > >> > >> > >> > > Thanks for sharing the chart .> > >> > >> > >> > > The chart provided u can see that the 7th lord is gone to 6th> > house (> > > house of diceases and debts and struggles and problems .9th has> > rahu >it> > > says malefic in 9th will not support 8th house house of> > longitivity of> > > marriage and it can giv a sort of parivrajya yoga .> > >> > >> > >> > > Also if u see Karaka venus ,its in Papa karthari and the marka> > lord s> > > are merc and sani from it .Rahu is in sani s rasi and 6th from> > venus> > > .The 8th lord from venus is jup and also 22nd drekkana lord .> > >> > >> > >> > > Rahu is aspected by sun the 64th navamsa Lord from lagna (self )> > and> > > moon ( shows mental tensions) also mercury who is marka from venus> > and> > > also 64th navamsa Lord from venus .> > >> > >> > >> > > if u see from moon also u can see mars in 7th house .4th house is> > > afflicted .> > >> > > rahu has given its amsa in 6th house kanya ,were sat is positioned> > and> > > also in 2nd to venus .> > >> > >> > >> > > and she born in ketu dasa ,so rahu periods can be trouble> > some .rahu in> > > nakhshatra of mars .( It says those who born in period of rahu or> > ketu> > > then mutual ketu or rahu period can be pain ful )> > >> > >> > >> > > so from every points there is affliction> > >> > > ( off course this is post mortem analaysis ) but in matchting we> > will> > > see both charts with dasa s ) and i think in 2001 she was having> > > sadesati also and jup in unhelpful 3rd house from moon ( u dont> > giv me> > > the dates )> > >> > >> > >> > > So along with a bad transit and un helpful dasa of rahu and its sub> > > period the problem may show up .U see trnsit sani was in lagna and> > > aspecting 7th house and jup was aspecting 7th Lord >rahu also in> > star of> > > of mars >And previou dasa was of mars ,so seed of the problem may> > lie in> > > its dasa ,whter this was his first heart attack ???> > >> > >> > >> > > Here jup in 12th might hav protected her vaidavya .And may be> > still he> > > is alive .> > >> > > U hav not provided her habbits or qualities .How is she ,whether> > > religious or showing some false notions etc as rahu is in 9th> > house of> > > dharma and jup in 12house of expenditue .> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > also wanted to know abt her kids> > >> > >> > >> > > thank u for posting a intersting chart as usual .> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > regrds sunil nair> > >> > > Om shreem mahalaxmai namah ,> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > , "renunw" <renunw@>> > > wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear learned members,> > > >> > > > I have a female with Jupiter in 12H. Her Jupiter major period is> > yet> > > > to come. But during Rahu/Rahu/Jupiter her husband had a stroke> > and> > > > still he is an ivalid. She carries on her shoulders the household> > > > burdens. Though the husband is alive...she is kind of a widow.> > > >> > > > Let me give you the birth details.> > > >> > > > August 11, 1952 @ 1.10 AM in Horana, Sri Lanka.> > > >> > > > blessings> > > > Renu> > > >> > > >> > > > , "sunil nair"> > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Hare ramakrishana .> > > > >> > > > > dear tatvamasi ji .> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > No i cant digest this adage jupiter destroys and sani protect> > > > the sign> > > > > or house .> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > In this chart there is enough afflictions are there and only> > jup> > > > dasa> > > > > has given her marriage .U see the house ,karaka ,Lord scheme> > and> > > > see how> > > > > its afflicted or in papakartary also u can see that rahu in 4th> > > > house> > > > > .And her dasa after birth dasha was 6yrs some thing mars and> > then> > > > rahu (> > > > > ur favrite and same rahu dont giv marriage in its period so> > who is> > > > > protecting and destroying houses also u can see that those who> > > > follow> > > > > rahu is owner of aqua scheme again rahu dont giv family> > happiness -> > > > -if> > > > > its owner of the house ) ,may be rahu can giv delay in> > education> > > > or a> > > > > lov failure .Then this jupiter period Has given the marriage .> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > From moon also u can see it ,the relevent house in PKY .also> > see> > > > from> > > > > venus the karaka in 7th house sani is debilated .> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > so delay for marriage is there and rite dasas also has> > operate .> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > >> > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > , "nameisego"> > > > > <nameisego@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Friends,> > > > > >> > > > > > I have a chart of a female jathaka with Guru in 12th which is> > > > Shayya> > > > > > Sukha sthana.> > > > > > Bhava Nasha Karo Jeeva dictum is being discussed here .> > > > > > This girl got married in 37th year .She got married in June> > > > 2006.in> > > > > > Guru dasa.> > > > > > Guru in 12th can also result in delayed/failed marriage.> > > > > >> > > > > > Female> > > > > > DOB...25th Nov 1970> > > > > > TOB....7.45 am> > > > > > POB....Bangalore> > > > > >> > > > > > Tatvam-Asi> > > > > >> > > > > > , "Sreenadh"> > > > > > sreesog@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Chandrahari ji,> > > > > > > I apprecioate your view. But note that Jupiter is the lord> > of> > > > > > 9th> > > > > > > house in the natural horoscope. 9th house is considered as> > the> > > > > > house of> > > > > > > luck, and as a house providing good husband and children> > > > especially> > > > > > for> > > > > > > women. Being significator of male some even consider> > Jupiter as> > > > > > the> > > > > > > natural significator of husband - even though this> > argument is> > > > not> > > > > > wide> > > > > > > spread. So the point I would suggest is the - verification> > of> > > > > > results> > > > > > > from the known horoscopes. Apart from quoting the sloka,> > and> > > > > > pointing> > > > > > > to the possibility of a natural benefic giving inauspicious> > > > > > results, I> > > > > > > don't had any other intention. But now I feel that we can> > make> > > > it a> > > > > > > point of research, so that it can be confirmed or negated> > > > based on> > > > > > known> > > > > > > charts with the same combination.> > > > > > > Note: Those who provide the charts with Jupiter in 12th,> > please> > > > > > ensure> > > > > > > that the dasa of Jupiter already happened that too after> > > > marriage in> > > > > > > those horoscopes.> > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > --- In> > > > , "chandra_hari18"> > > > > > > <chandra_hari18@> wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Quoted above is absolute nonsense. Jupiter in the 12th is> > > > > > > > benevolnent for the 8th house of Mangalyam because of> > > > Jupiter's> > > > > > > > beneficial full aspect on the 9th house. 12th house> > Jupiter> > > > is a> > > > > > > > kind of antidote even for dire malefics in the 8th> > house. So> > > > there> > > > > > > > is no question of 12th house Jupiter causing widowhood.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > chandra hari> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > , Kiran R> > > > > > > > kiran.rama@ wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadhji,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > "Jupiter in 12th house may make a woman a widow" - This> > > > does not> > > > > > > > hold good if Jupiter is in own house or exalted - and> > even> > > > if in> > > > > > > > 12th house, it can cause widowhood only in its dasa.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > That is the problem today with mechanical> > interpretation of> > > > > > > > slokas - The exceptions are usually in a sloka at the> > end of> > > > 2> > > > > > > > succeeding chapters !!!> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > Kiran> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote: Dear> > > > > > > > Arjun ji,> > > > > > > > > ==>> > > > > > > > > > if a native has an exalted benefic planet> > > > > > > > > > in su or swasthana with no negative affliction and> > his> > > > > > mahadasa> > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > running, the native shall get good results but if> > > > sadesathi is> > > > > > > > > > running, the native does not enjoy the good results> > and> > > > rather> > > > > > > > > > witness some negative results.> > > > > > > > > <==> > > > > > > > > True. > > > > > > > > > ==>> > > > > > > > > > regarding the mangal dosha, the mail i wrote was> > only for> > > > > > > > theoretical> > > > > > > > > > knowledge of the members as to how the hype was made> > out> > > > of> > > > > > it.> > > > > > > > > <==> > > > > > > > > I agree with you. But still would say that> > definitely> > > > > > badly> > > > > > > > placed Malefics will give inauspicious results for> > sure. > > > > Why> > > > > > > > malefics alone, even natural benefics can give many> > > > inauspicious> > > > > > > > results. For example -> > > > > > > > > Ande gurur hi Vidhavam, dinakrit daridram> > > > > > > > > Chandro dhana vyayakara kuladam cha rahuH> > > > > > > > > (Sthri Jatakam)> > > > > > > > > Meaning, if Jupiter is in 12th house the woman may> > become a> > > > > > > > widow; if Sun is in 12th house the woman may become> > > > penniless; if> > > > > > > > Moon in 12th there could be much expence; if Rahu in 12th> > > > house> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > women may cause bad name for her family.> > > > > > > > > Note that all these results manifest ONLY IF the dasa> > also> > > > > > > > matches. If Jupiter in 7th in Capricorn for Cancer> > lagna, the> > > > > > same> > > > > > > > can cause death of wife/husband in its dasa. If Jupiter> > or> > > > Venus> > > > > > is> > > > > > > > in 8th from lagna for an women the chances for abortion> > is> > > > high.> > > > > > So> > > > > > > > in matching what should be considered - the position of> > the> > > > > > malefics> > > > > > > > (like Mars) alone or the specific results indicated by> > the> > > > various> > > > > > > > (benefic and malefic) planets? This is the point one> > should> > > > > > > > meditate upon if they are approaching astrology> > sincerely and> > > > > > > > systematically. I agree with you to a great extend - and> > > > feel that> > > > > > > > from two different perspectives, you and Sunil ji are> > > > presenting> > > > > > one> > > > > > > > and the same point.> > > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > --- In> > > > > > , "panditarjun2004"> > > > > > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > dear kiranji> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > astrology in olden days even with all these 1001> > > > principles> > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > exceptions used to be a simple job for the> > traditionally> > > > > > learnt> > > > > > > > > > people but with the computer revolution making a> > hundred> > > > page> > > > > > > > > > comprehensive astro analysis at the click of a button> > > > and each> > > > > > > > page> > > > > > > > > > giving an ambivalent view, the native gets confused> > with> > > > the> > > > > > > > > > conflicting reports from each section. the astrologer> > > > has to> > > > > > > > spend> > > > > > > > > > lot of time in seeing, checking, overseeing all areas> > > > and then> > > > > > > > come> > > > > > > > > > to a cohesive conclusion. if a native has an exalted> > > > benefic> > > > > > > > planet> > > > > > > > > > in su or swasthana with no negative affliction and> > his> > > > > > mahadasa> > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > running, the native shall get good results but if> > > > sadesathi is> > > > > > > > > > running, the native does not enjoy the good results> > and> > > > rather> > > > > > > > > > witness some negative results.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > once i could not find any reason for the various> > > > sufferings of> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > native and then i asked him to check whether his> > brother> > > > has> > > > > > > > mars in> > > > > > > > > > the 8th house and then he confirmed it. so sometimes> > > > even just> > > > > > > > > > checking the individual chart is not sufficient as> > other> > > > > > charts> > > > > > > > too> > > > > > > > > > have vicarious impact.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > regarding the mangal dosha, the mail i wrote was> > only for> > > > > > > > theoretical> > > > > > > > > > knowledge of the members as to how the hype was made> > out> > > > of> > > > > > it.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings> > > > > > > > > > pandit arjun> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ,> > Kiran R> > > > > > > > > > kiran.rama@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Well said Panditji....> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > samya will not work in all cases -> > > > > > > > > > > Samya is usually done for 1, 2, 4, 7, 8, 12 houses> > for> > > > > > > > marriage -> > > > > > > > > > logic being 7th is spouse, 8th is sustenance of> > > > marriage, 4th> > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > sukha, 2nd is kutumba, 12th is pleasure and 1st is> > native> > > > > > himself> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Suppose X has 2nd lord in dustana and malefic in> > 2nd> > > > house -> > > > > > > > he is> > > > > > > > > > going to have problems in earned wealth - if he> > marries> > > > > > another> > > > > > > > girl> > > > > > > > > > with 2nd lord in dustana/malefic in 2nd house - both> > will> > > > > > > > > > have "Daridrathana"> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > I think it makes sense logically for a person who> > has> > > > a bad> > > > > > > > 2nd> > > > > > > > > > house to look to marry someone with good 2nd house so> > > > that it> > > > > > > > gets> > > > > > > > > > cancelled - and same logic to all houses as well> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Regarding doshas, mere presence of malefic in> > > > 1,2,4,7,8,12> > > > > > > > houses> > > > > > > > > > does not cause papatwa - what if the house lord is in> > > > sustana?> > > > > > > > There> > > > > > > > > > can be benefic aspecting the house? the malefic> > planet> > > > dasa> > > > > > > > maybe> > > > > > > > > > over? the malefic maybe lord of two sustanas...etc> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > So maybe a better idea to judge all the houses and> > > > come to> > > > > > > > > > conclusion> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > panditarjun2004 panditarjun2004@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: dear friends> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > this mangal dosha is purportedly caused by merely> > mars> > > > > > finding> > > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > > place in 1,2,4,7,8,12 houses (half of the houses)> > that> > > > too> > > > > > > > seen> > > > > > > > > > from> > > > > > > > > > > lagna, moon and some say even from venus. some> > states> > > > in> > > > > > india> > > > > > > > do> > > > > > > > > > > not reckon 2nd house and similarly some astrologers> > > > dont see> > > > > > > > mars> > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > these houses from chandra and sukra to brand a> > native> > > > > > manglik.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > there are more than a dozen rules where this so> > called> > > > > > mangli> > > > > > > > yoga> > > > > > > > > > > gets nullified through a mangli bhang yoga.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > no ancient classic has any yoga by this name and> > the> > > > genesis> > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > this> > > > > > > > > > > yoga lies in the individual narration of how mars> > gives> > > > > > > > results> > > > > > > > > > when> > > > > > > > > > > placed in the houses 1,4,7,8,12. if any astrologer> > > > reads> > > > > > > > > > carefully> > > > > > > > > > > the entire probable dispositions of mars in these> > > > houses in> > > > > > > > > > speicific> > > > > > > > > > > relation to marriage, we find only 7,8,12 house> > placed> > > > mars> > > > > > > > giving> > > > > > > > > > > some problems and not the other houses especially> > the> > > > > > > > vaidhavya> > > > > > > > > > yoga.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > logically kiranji's observation is valid that two> > > > wrongs> > > > > > cant> > > > > > > > make> > > > > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > > right. a completely blind man marrying a completely> > > > blind> > > > > > > > woman> > > > > > > > > > does> > > > > > > > > > > not remove their blindness and let them see the> > world.> > > > on a> > > > > > > > > > positive> > > > > > > > > > > side, if the mars placement in a male chart> > suggests> > > > that> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > man> > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > a womaniser, he would find good company in> > marrying a> > > > woman> > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > > similar yoga in her chart as both are broadminded!> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > in all matrimonial websites and advertisements> > mangliks> > > > > > > > > > specifically> > > > > > > > > > > search only for mangliks thinking that both are> > made> > > > for> > > > > > each> > > > > > > > > > other> > > > > > > > > > > or both are best compatible to each other.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > the much hyped verse "lagne vyayecha patale> > jamitrech> > > > > > ashtame> > > > > > > > > > kuje,> > > > > > > > > > > kanya bhartru vinashaya, bharta kanya vinashakrut"> > > > does not> > > > > > > > allow> > > > > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > > manglik to marry another manglik as it is> > internecine> > > > for> > > > > > both.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > but two more verses appeared in modern astrology> > texts> > > > (not> > > > > > > > > > ancient,> > > > > > > > > > > not even medieval) that says as follows:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > kuja doshvatri deya kuja doshavate kila:> > > > > > > > > > > nadista dosho na chanista dampatyo sukhavardhana.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > this verse says that if one manglik marries another> > > > manglik,> > > > > > > > > > mangal> > > > > > > > > > > does not do any evil and rather both enjoy love and> > > > > > happiness.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > bhauma tulyo yada bhauma, paapo va tadvasho bhavet> > > > > > > > > > > udvaha subhada prokta chiraayu putra pautrada.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > this verse says that if a man's chart has a malefic> > > > mars and> > > > > > > > if> > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > woman's chart has similar malefic mars or another> > > > malefic> > > > > > > > planet> > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > equal proportion, marriage between both is> > auspicious.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > astrologers have been given so many choicest> > sholkas> > > > from> > > > > > > > books to> > > > > > > > > > > first fix a native manglik, check the dozens of> > mangli> > > > > > bhanga> > > > > > > > > > yogas> > > > > > > > > > > and then find another manglik and make the marriage> > > > between> > > > > > > > both> > > > > > > > > > > auspicious.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings> > > > > > > > > > > pandit arjun> > > > > > > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > --- In> > > > , "Sreenadh"> > > > > > > > > > > <sreesog@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kiran ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > I have observed that if both male and female> > > > horoscope> > > > > > has> > > > > > > > > > same> > > > > > > > > > > dosha> > > > > > > > > > > > (e.g: Kuja dosha),> > > > > > > > > > > > > then it gets cancelled.> > > > > > > > > > > > I doubt that statement about your 'observation';> > > > rather it> > > > > > > > > > is a> > > > > > > > > > > > logical 'belief'; Ask Sunil ji to clarify you> > will> > > > get a> > > > > > > > better> > > > > > > > > > > picture.> > > > > > > > > > > > I am not debating whether the results> > > > gets 'cancelled' or> > > > > > > > not -> > > > > > > > > > > that the> > > > > > > > > > > > people who experienced it having the same> > > > combination will> > > > > > > > > > clarify.> > > > > > > > > > > > What I am stresssing is that, it is a> > > > logical 'belief';> > > > > > > > rather> > > > > > > > > > than> > > > > > > > > > > > something 'observed' by the people.> > > > > > > > > > > > Hope this helps.> > > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ,> > > > Kiran R> > > > > > > > > > > > <kiran.rama@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Good post Sunilji,> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > I have observed that if both male and female> > > > horoscope> > > > > > has> > > > > > > > > > same> > > > > > > > > > > dosha> > > > > > > > > > > > (e.g: Kuja dosha), then it gets cancelled. This> > is a> > > > > > mystery> > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > me> > > > > > > > > > > as if> > > > > > > > > > > > both have dosha both must suffer and have bad> > life.> > > > How> > > > > > does> > > > > > > > > > dosha> > > > > > > > > > > get> > > > > > > > > > > > cancelled if it is present in both?> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks> > > > > > > > > > > > > Kiran> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > hare rama krishna ,> > > > > > > > > > > > > dear grp and memebrs .> > > > > > > > > > > > > This is my post long back published in another> > grp> > > > and> > > > > > now> > > > > > > > > > again> > > > > > > > > > > many> > > > > > > > > > > > requests happening in personal and grp mails i> > > > thought of> > > > > > re> > > > > > > > > > > posting it> > > > > > > > > > > > .> > > > > > > > > > > > > actualy sreenadhji was discussing abt it some> > days> > > > back> > > > > > > > and i> > > > > > > > > > > promised> > > > > > > > > > > > him i will write and then do any modifications> > > > required;> > > > > > > > > > > > > so here is my post> > > > > > > > > > > > > ==============> > > > > > > > > > > > > In kerala and what i know generaly in south> > india> > > > we> > > > > > start> > > > > > > > by> > > > > > > > > > > > matchting the rasi in 10 ways like> > rasi,rasyaadhipa> > > > (they> > > > > > use> > > > > > > > > > > differnet> > > > > > > > > > > > than normal frndship concept),vasyam,ganam(nature> > > > like> > > > > > > > > > > > godly,demonly),yoni> > > > (male /female),dinam,mahendra,stree> > > > > > > > > > > > dergham(dooram),rejju and vedham these are 10 and> > > > giving> > > > > > > > each> > > > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > > mark> > > > > > > > > > > > and see if there is more marks and still rejju> > > > > > (ayurvedic -> > > > > > > > vata> > > > > > > > > > > > ,pitta,kapha-i think)and vedha a must> > > > > > > > > > > > > or u can use ashta koota methods prevalent in> > > > north .> > > > > > > > > > > > > Then we go for papa samya> > > > > > > > > > > > > lagana(body),2nd(family and speech),4th house> > > > (family> > > > > > > > > > happiness> > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > sukha stan),7th house (house of marriage ) ,8th> > house> > > > > > > > (deergha> > > > > > > > > > > mangala> > > > > > > > > > > > stan and maraka place and house of money of> > partner)> > > > and> > > > > > 12> > > > > > > > th> > > > > > > > > > > house is> > > > > > > > > > > > sayana sukha stan and house of expenditure------> > so> > > > there> > > > > > is> > > > > > > > 6> > > > > > > > > > places> > > > > > > > > > > > > we see any malifics are there in above said> > places> > > > from> > > > > > > > > > > > LAGANA,MOON(MIND) AND VENUS (INDICATOR OF> > MARRIAGE> > > > LIFE),> > > > > > > > > > > > > some people will giv equal weightage to lagna> > and> > > > moon> > > > > > (as> > > > > > > > > > > considered> > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd lagan) venus less weightage as some r of the> > > > opinion> > > > > > > > that the> > > > > > > > > > > > papatwa to venus cannot be remedied as a man with> > > > loose> > > > > > > > morals> > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > girl> > > > > > > > > > > > with equaly loose morals can not make good> > couples,> > > > they> > > > > > see> > > > > > > > 4th> > > > > > > > > > > and 8th> > > > > > > > > > > > matching only,Only see if too much points venus> > is> > > > gaining> > > > > > > > esp> > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > case of girl,it may boost immoral tendencies or> > deny> > > > > > normal> > > > > > > > > > family> > > > > > > > > > > > happyness by giving separation or even illness--> > it> > > > depends> > > > > > > > on the> > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope,> > > > > > > > > > > > > papatwa is considered in decressing order> > > > > > > > 8/7/4/12/2/1.Most> > > > > > > > > > > malefic is> > > > > > > > > > > > mars(planet of aggression and sudden> > actions),then> > > > > > sani,then> > > > > > > > > > > sun,rahu> > > > > > > > > > > > finaly ketu,> > > > > > > > > > > > > also giv some marks like mars-4/sani-3/sun-> > 2/rah> > > > and> > > > > > ketu-> > > > > > > > 1> > > > > > > > > > also> > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > lagana-5/2nd house2/4th house-3,7th house-4/8th> > > > house-> > > > > > 6/12th> > > > > > > > > > house 1> > > > > > > > > > > > > Again this we hav to see exceptions ,own house> > > > > > > > > > debilataion ,means> > > > > > > > > > > good> > > > > > > > > > > > strenght can decrees the value and planet neecha> > or> > > > moudya> > > > > > > > > > (combust )> > > > > > > > > > > > will get 100% value.Only aspect of benefics can> > > > reduce the> > > > > > > > > > effects> > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > malifics will surely increase the effects.> > > > > > > > > > > > > Main consideration while analysing----> > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) Papa grahas should b some what equal> > position or> > > > > > > > countering> > > > > > > > > > > > position> > > > > > > > > > > > > 2)If malefic is benefic from bhava concerned> > can> > > > giv> > > > > > > > reduction> > > > > > > > > > > > > 3)if malefic is yoga karak again papatwa will> > be> > > > reduced> > > > > > > > > > > > > 4)see major dasa of papas has passed and see> > their> > > > sub> > > > > > > > period> > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > do> > > > > > > > > > > > the assessments> > > > > > > > > > > > > 5)If lady having widowhood in horoscope match> > with> > > > a> > > > > > > > person> > > > > > > > > > who> > > > > > > > > > > has> > > > > > > > > > > > two marriage or wife marana yaga( death of wife )> > > > > > > > > > > > > 6)Main considerations shud b given to 7th and> > 8th> > > > > > position> > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > malefics> > > > > > > > > > > > > 7)Then in mans horo papa( malefics ) should b> > in> > > > 7th> > > > > > house> > > > > > > > > > > > > 8)Even if in female horoscope papas( malefics)> > r> > > > in 7th> > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > 8th,if a> > > > > > > > > > > > strong benefic in 9th then it s solved> > automaticaly .> > > > > > > > > > > > > AS---- navame shubha samyukte sapape aste> > > > ashtamepi va> > > > > > > > > > > > > pathi putra yuta nari modate natra samsaya> > > > > > > > > > > > > 9)see if papa graha dasas coming immediatly> > after> > > > > > marriage.> > > > > > > > > > > > > 10)dasa santhi nirnayam> > > > > > > > > > > > > see in both horoscopes same period dasa ends> > > > within 6> > > > > > > > months> > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > > > years ends .See next dasa is maraka, or papa or> > weak> > > > then> > > > > > > > those> > > > > > > > > > > > horoscopes shud not b matched> > > > > > > > > > > > > same period dasa of enemy of lagna lord is> > > > happening and> > > > > > > > see> > > > > > > > > > its> > > > > > > > > > > > promise in the horoscope.> > > > > > > > > > > > > same period dasa of mutualy enemys like sun in> > and> > > > sani> > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > another or> > > > > > > > > > > > rahu in one guru or venus and guru> > > > > > > > > > > > > see the period of marakas in each horoscope and> > > > should> > > > > > not> > > > > > > > run> > > > > > > > > > > > together at one time> > > > > > > > > > > > > Also ones maraka dasa and anothers weak dasa> > of 7th> > > > > > lord or> > > > > > > > > > > > karaka,like papayuta,papakartari,neecha etc> > should> > > > not> > > > > > > > happen at> > > > > > > > > > > same> > > > > > > > > > > > time.> > > > > > > > > > > > > if malefics r in 8th house which can cause> > > > vaidhavya> > > > > > > > > > > (widowhood),see> > > > > > > > > > > > the 8th lord and see in whose house he attained> > in> > > > > > navamsa -> > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > his> > > > > > > > > > > > naisargika dasa can giv the effects.like moon> > within> > > > a> > > > > > > > year,mars> > > > > > > > > > > within> > > > > > > > > > > > two year sun 50years ,guru-18th years after> > marriage> > > > > > > > > > > > > or it can giv in dasa of malefics in 8th house> > > > > > > > > > > > > then santana chinta (progency) and prosperity> > and> > > > yoga> > > > > > > > chinta -> > > > > > > > > > > like> > > > > > > > > > > > this all kinds of stuff frm two> > > > horoscopes,longitivity> > > > > > > > should b> > > > > > > > > > > > calculated firstly before matchting> > > > > > > > > > > > > then i hav see an elaborate prashna whether> > there> > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > daivaanukulyam> > > > > > > > > > > > (wish of god ) for this union and see all kinds> > of> > > > > > nimittas> > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > omens> > > > > > > > > > > > > Now a days nimittas can happen only in villages> > > > and in> > > > > > > > towns> > > > > > > > > > its> > > > > > > > > > > at> > > > > > > > > > > > the discreation of astrologer to add or deduct> > > > according> > > > > > to> > > > > > > > his> > > > > > > > > > > > experience and reasoning power .> > > > > > > > > > > > > all good omens like bringings of> > perfumes,sandal> > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > kumkum,somebody> > > > > > > > > > > > is bringing mangal sutra,gold or new> > dress,married> > > > ladies> > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > > couples> > > > > > > > > > > > coming,seeing of astamangala materials,some come> > > > > > > > singing,mangala> > > > > > > > > > > dwani> > > > > > > > > > > > like sankh(conch),bells ringing,cows> > > > > > > > > > coming,elephant,royals,horses> > > > > > > > > > > all> > > > > > > > > > > > are considerd good.> > > > > > > > > > > > > some nimittas are bad which needs special> > attention> > > > > > > > > > > > > seeing somebody puts his finger in some hole> > or in> > > > > > > > > > nose /seeing> > > > > > > > > > > some> > > > > > > > > > > > animals/birds 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February 1, 2008

Hare rama krishna.

dear Neelam gupta ji ,

This chart he is born in krishna paksha ashtami nite birth ,so moon is weak .

also lagna is weak .all major lagna points are afflicted and occupied by malefics and given rise to sarpa yoga .

Lagna lord in 12th .Jup is in 12th .( so what we discussed -finaly pauper and since lagna lord in 12th the loses due to self mistakes also possible )

5th Lord in 7th is one main reason may cause problems in married life .

Venus in between malefics .

7th and 10th houses completly gone as afflicted and Lord is weak

Also famous Agni maruta yoga ( aspect between sani and mars ) Its operating in lagna & 7th axis and No planet is own house or has benefic aspects .

Now running sani dasa and marak and also 5th dasa from birth .Sani in 8th from venus .

Also born in Gandanta lagna ( lagna in beging degrees and in between fire water rasis in first navamsa )

No benefics except venus in own house .also sun the 9th Lord is exalted .

Now sani dasa is running and given its amsa to 9th house leo .

So Nativ may turn to spirituality .Also sani is Vakri .

this is my finding and pls giv ur feed backs on his present conditions also pls giv what ever information abt children and other aspects of life .

Gulik is in 4th house conjoined mer and ketu .Only relief was its jupiterian rasi and aspected by jup .In amsa it has given to scorpio and influencing jup who is lagna and 4th Lord >which is also 12th house from lagna .

Also in 2005 The transit sani was in 7th house (gemini ) and over Mars and also aspecting merc the 7th and 10th Lord .

Also jup in virgo in 10th and aspecting merc the 7th Lord .

so some thing regrding 7th and 10th is possible and dasa was jup -mars and next is bad jup-rahu which is again giving its way to sani dasa ( see the journey of soul tru dasas and its fruitifications ) .

thanks and welcome comments from u and learned memebrs .

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

, "neelam gupta" <neelamgupta07 wrote:>> Dear Sreenadhji and all other learned members,> Here's another interesting case of 12th house Jupiter, who happens to be the> lagna lord also.> Male: 29.4.1959/22.30/Delhi> Sagitarius lagan with retrograde saturn, Moon in 2H, Mer and Ket in 4H, Sun> in 5H, Ven in 6th, Mars in 7H, rahu in 10th and a retrograde Jupiter in 12H.> The native has just finished his Jupiter Mahadasha in September 2007.> Now the interesting point here is, at the end of his Jupiter dasha, he has> all his kendras blank in his life. No body, no home, no wife and no job.> His wife left him in 2005 and he is fighting a divorce case. He was chucked> out by the MNC he was working for, although he was in top management cadre> getting about 60 lakh per annum. He has no home to call his own. He's> dejected and depressed, on the verge of a breakdown.> Just a few noteworthy points:> Lagan lord is in 12th house (from lagan, from moon as well as navmansh)> Jupiter is strongly placed in 12th house (remember retrograde jupiter is> strong in all rashis except capricorn)> 7th and 10th lord Mercury is debilitated in 4H in R/K axis.> There is no benefic in kendras, and no rajyoga formed with tikona lords> (except if you take a retrograde aspect of Jupiter which is debatable).> The navamsh kendras have become empty.> Do you think its a kendradhipati dosh in operation during the Jupiter dasha?> Kendra lords not being well placed.> The Kendras signify Vishnu, the maintainer, and the Trikonas signify> Lakshmiji, the Goddess of Fortune. Thus the Kendras indicate things that we> should maintain (1st-body, 4th-home, 7th-wife, 10th-work). On the other> hand, the Trikonas indicate fortune (Purva Punya dharma and religiousness in> this life). So if there's a connection between Kendras and Trikonas through> their lords being conjunct, in Parivartana or at least in aspect, the Yoga> of Lakshmi and Vishnu is created, which brings success. However, if there's> only the Kendras, with no contact from the Trikonas, then there will be no> fortune, opportunities and there will be nothing to maintain. This is the> case with Kendradhipaqti Dosh. The results of the planet are limited because> of no yoga with the Trikonas. This dosh is specifically applicable to the> four dual signs or Jupiter and Mercury as when they are kendra lords, both> their signs fall in kendras only. Though for Sagittarius and Virgo lagnas,> their mooltrikon sign falls in lagan which is also a trikon, they become> dosh-rahit or dosh is not so much (BPHS).> There are several other factors also in the chart that seem to attribute to> this condition.> I would appreciate the opinion of leaned members on this one?> Love and regards> neelam> > > > > > > On 01/02/2008, sreenadh sreesog wrote:> >> > Dear Chandrahari ji,> > I agree that of course Jupiter is a natural benefice, but then too feel> > that possibly Jupiter in 12th can indicate many bad results such as marriage> > problems, divorce, or even death of husband as told by strijataka -> > provided other combinations also support the same. In this moment the point> > that comes to my mind related to the possibility is a sloka which reads -> > Shashtashtama kantakago gurur uchho bhavati> > Meena lagne va Janmani marane va mokshgatimahuH> > (Leghu Jatakam)> > [if Jupiter is in 6th, 8th or 12th from lagna especially in exaltation;> > or if Jupiter is in Pisces lagna - at the time of birth or death the same> > can indicate Moksha gati]> > This sloka clearly indicates that Jupiter in 6th, 8th or 12th increases> > one's interest in spirituality and realization - which of course is usually> > causes negative influence regarding happy family life with wife - and sex> > life. Possibly such too much interest in spirituality too can cause a> > house-wreck.> > Any way I am not stressing this point, but instead I will go through> > the classics and comeback with more material either in support of this> > argument or negativing - so that we can be sure does the books like> > Strijataka which provides us with such slokas has the support for the same> > in Rishi horas or not. Mean while we can verify the same with real life> > experiences.> > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> >> > *chandra_hari18 chandra_hari18* wrote:> >> > Dear Sreenadh,> > Let's not mistakenly blame Jupiter for widowhood. 9th house has nothing to> > do with Mangalyam except that it is 2nd from 8th and hence a benefic in 9th> > augurs well for the longevity of the husband. Other details like luck etc> > are secondary things. Luck, wealth, fame etc can come through bad ways like> > insurance policies too. Jupiter as natural significator of 9th> > (Bhavakaraka) may not be that critical.> > But when we consider 8th house malefics, there is no better antidote than> > Guru in 12th and as you may be knowing this is an important classical dictum> > that Jnana_Vrddhas adhere to in Kerala.> > Jupiter can cause widowhood when Jupiter is lord of Navamsa Lagna weakly> > placed by debiliation or other factors. As lord of Lagna debiliated in> > Navamsa too, Jupiter can cause widowhood or separation (adverse to marital> > life).> > Unless we learn to examine navamsa correctly along with a reliable timing> > technique like Vimsottari dasa, the truth of astrological basics cannot be> > well understood and we will end up blaming Jupiter. Remember that a> > "Yogamaraka" theory originated in the past based on the horoscope of Tagore> > who died in Rahu-Mars.> > chandra hari> >> >> > , "Sreenadh" sreesog@> > wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear Chandrahari ji,> > > I apprecioate your view. But note that Jupiter is the lord of 9th> > > house in the natural horoscope. 9th house is considered as the house of> > > luck, and as a house providing good husband and children especially for> > > women. Being significator of male some even consider Jupiter as the> > > natural significator of husband - even though this argument is not wide> > > spread. So the point I would suggest is the - verification of results> > > from the known horoscopes. Apart from quoting the sloka, and pointing> > > to the possibility of a natural benefic giving inauspicious results, I> > > don't had any other intention. But now I feel that we can make it a> > > point of research, so that it can be confirmed or negated based on known> > > charts with the same combination.> > > Note: Those who provide the charts with Jupiter in 12th, please ensure> > > that the dasa of Jupiter already happened that too after marriage in> > > those horoscopes.> > > Love and regards,> > > Sreenadh> >> >> >> >> > *Sreenadh*> > *: /*> >> > ------------------------------> > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it> > now.<http://us.rd./evt=51733/*http://mobile./;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ>> >> > > >>

February 1, 2008

Dear Sunil ji,many thanks for your insight and pin pointing the problem areas of this chart.The man started well in life. You see the houses 5-9 are pretty strong, 5th house having an exalted sun who is the 9L.

Gave him a good religious father and two sons. The trines are fine, even in navamsh. But I feel what the trines gave him because of his poorv punya and bhagya, his kendras couldn't sustain. The weakness of 1-4-7-10 is quite obvious. His wife was very aggressive and finally chose to leave him and is planning to marry a foreigner. She had a good job with one of the export houses.

The native was once in army (1980) and then went on to do an MBA from US (1987). He had a good career, although he switched jobs.But now he's not having a job for the last 2-3 months. His savings he'd invested in some stocks which are gone. wife asks for alimony which he he can't give. Children do not like him. He does not like his mother. The only support in his life is his father (an exalted 9L sun in 5H), who himself is saintly religious person.

That probably now in saturn's dasha will make him religious-minded also. Right now he's in a very disturbed state of mind and does not understand what to do with his life.RegardsneelamOn 02/02/2008, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala wrote:

Hare rama krishna.

dear Neelam gupta ji ,

This chart he is born in krishna paksha ashtami nite birth ,so moon is weak .

also lagna is weak .all major lagna points are afflicted and occupied by malefics and given rise to sarpa yoga .

Lagna lord in 12th .Jup is in 12th .( so what we discussed -finaly pauper and since lagna lord in 12th the loses due to self mistakes also possible )

5th Lord in 7th is one main reason may cause problems in married life .

Venus in between malefics .

7th and 10th houses completly gone as afflicted and Lord is weak

Also famous Agni maruta yoga ( aspect between sani and mars ) Its operating in lagna & 7th axis and No planet is own house or has benefic aspects .

Now running sani dasa and marak and also 5th dasa from birth .Sani in 8th from venus .

Also born in Gandanta lagna ( lagna in beging degrees and in between fire water rasis in first navamsa )

No benefics except venus in own house .also sun the 9th Lord is exalted .

Now sani dasa is running and given its amsa to 9th house leo .

So Nativ may turn to spirituality .Also sani is Vakri .

this is my finding and pls giv ur feed backs on his present conditions also pls giv what ever information abt children and other aspects of life .

Gulik is in 4th house conjoined mer and ketu .Only relief was its jupiterian rasi and aspected by jup .In amsa it has given to scorpio and influencing jup who is lagna and 4th Lord >which is also 12th house from lagna .

Also in 2005 The transit sani was in 7th house (gemini ) and over Mars and also aspecting merc the 7th and 10th Lord .

Also jup in virgo in 10th and aspecting merc the 7th Lord .

so some thing regrding 7th and 10th is possible and dasa was jup -mars and next is bad jup-rahu which is again giving its way to sani dasa ( see the journey of soul tru dasas and its fruitifications ) .

thanks and welcome comments from u and learned memebrs .

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

, " neelam gupta " <neelamgupta07 wrote:

>> Dear Sreenadhji and all other learned members,> Here's another interesting case of 12th house Jupiter, who happens to be the> lagna lord also.> Male: 29.4.1959/22.30/Delhi> Sagitarius lagan with retrograde saturn, Moon in 2H, Mer and Ket in 4H, Sun

> in 5H, Ven in 6th, Mars in 7H, rahu in 10th and a retrograde Jupiter in 12H.> The native has just finished his Jupiter Mahadasha in September 2007.> Now the interesting point here is, at the end of his Jupiter dasha, he has

> all his kendras blank in his life. No body, no home, no wife and no job.> His wife left him in 2005 and he is fighting a divorce case. He was chucked> out by the MNC he was working for, although he was in top management cadre

> getting about 60 lakh per annum. He has no home to call his own. He's> dejected and depressed, on the verge of a breakdown.> Just a few noteworthy points:> Lagan lord is in 12th house (from lagan, from moon as well as navmansh)

> Jupiter is strongly placed in 12th house (remember retrograde jupiter is> strong in all rashis except capricorn)> 7th and 10th lord Mercury is debilitated in 4H in R/K axis.> There is no benefic in kendras, and no rajyoga formed with tikona lords

> (except if you take a retrograde aspect of Jupiter which is debatable).> The navamsh kendras have become empty.> Do you think its a kendradhipati dosh in operation during the Jupiter dasha?> Kendra lords not being well placed.

> The Kendras signify Vishnu, the maintainer, and the Trikonas signify> Lakshmiji, the Goddess of Fortune. Thus the Kendras indicate things that we> should maintain (1st-body, 4th-home, 7th-wife, 10th-work). On the other

> hand, the Trikonas indicate fortune (Purva Punya dharma and religiousness in> this life). So if there's a connection between Kendras and Trikonas through> their lords being conjunct, in Parivartana or at least in aspect, the Yoga

> of Lakshmi and Vishnu is created, which brings success. However, if there's> only the Kendras, with no contact from the Trikonas, then there will be no> fortune, opportunities and there will be nothing to maintain. This is the

> case with Kendradhipaqti Dosh. The results of the planet are limited because> of no yoga with the Trikonas. This dosh is specifically applicable to the> four dual signs or Jupiter and Mercury as when they are kendra lords, both

> their signs fall in kendras only. Though for Sagittarius and Virgo lagnas,> their mooltrikon sign falls in lagan which is also a trikon, they become> dosh-rahit or dosh is not so much (BPHS).> There are several other factors also in the chart that seem to attribute to

> this condition.> I would appreciate the opinion of leaned members on this one?> Love and regards> neelam> > > > > > > On 01/02/2008, sreenadh sreesog wrote:

> >> > Dear Chandrahari ji,> > I agree that of course Jupiter is a natural benefice, but then too feel> > that possibly Jupiter in 12th can indicate many bad results such as marriage

> > problems, divorce, or even death of husband as told by strijataka -> > provided other combinations also support the same. In this moment the point> > that comes to my mind related to the possibility is a sloka which reads -

> > Shashtashtama kantakago gurur uchho bhavati> > Meena lagne va Janmani marane va mokshgatimahuH> > (Leghu Jatakam)> > [if Jupiter is in 6th, 8th or 12th from lagna especially in exaltation;

> > or if Jupiter is in Pisces lagna - at the time of birth or death the same> > can indicate Moksha gati]> > This sloka clearly indicates that Jupiter in 6th, 8th or 12th increases> > one's interest in spirituality and realization - which of course is usually

> > causes negative influence regarding happy family life with wife - and sex> > life. Possibly such too much interest in spirituality too can cause a> > house-wreck.> > Any way I am not stressing this point, but instead I will go through

> > the classics and comeback with more material either in support of this> > argument or negativing - so that we can be sure does the books like> > Strijataka which provides us with such slokas has the support for the same

> > in Rishi horas or not. Mean while we can verify the same with real life> > experiences.> > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> >> > *chandra_hari18 chandra_hari18* wrote:

> >> > Dear Sreenadh,> > Let's not mistakenly blame Jupiter for widowhood. 9th house has nothing to> > do with Mangalyam except that it is 2nd from 8th and hence a benefic in 9th

> > augurs well for the longevity of the husband. Other details like luck etc> > are secondary things. Luck, wealth, fame etc can come through bad ways like> > insurance policies too. Jupiter as natural significator of 9th

> > (Bhavakaraka) may not be that critical.> > But when we consider 8th house malefics, there is no better antidote than> > Guru in 12th and as you may be knowing this is an important classical dictum

> > that Jnana_Vrddhas adhere to in Kerala.> > Jupiter can cause widowhood when Jupiter is lord of Navamsa Lagna weakly> > placed by debiliation or other factors. As lord of Lagna debiliated in

> > Navamsa too, Jupiter can cause widowhood or separation (adverse to marital> > life).> > Unless we learn to examine navamsa correctly along with a reliable timing> > technique like Vimsottari dasa, the truth of astrological basics cannot be

> > well understood and we will end up blaming Jupiter. Remember that a> > " Yogamaraka " theory originated in the past based on the horoscope of Tagore> > who died in Rahu-Mars.> > chandra hari

> >> >> > , " Sreenadh " sreesog@

> > wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear Chandrahari ji,> > > I apprecioate your view. But note that Jupiter is the lord of 9th> > > house in the natural horoscope. 9th house is considered as the house of

> > > luck, and as a house providing good husband and children especially for> > > women. Being significator of male some even consider Jupiter as the> > > natural significator of husband - even though this argument is not wide

> > > spread. So the point I would suggest is the - verification of results> > > from the known horoscopes. Apart from quoting the sloka, and pointing> > > to the possibility of a natural benefic giving inauspicious results, I

> > > don't had any other intention. But now I feel that we can make it a> > > point of research, so that it can be confirmed or negated based on known> > > charts with the same combination.

> > > Note: Those who provide the charts with Jupiter in 12th, please ensure> > > that the dasa of Jupiter already happened that too after marriage in> > > those horoscopes.> > > Love and regards,

> > > Sreenadh> >> >> >> >> > *Sreenadh*> > *: /*

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February 2, 2008

Dear Sheevani ji,

Thanks for searching for data that may support or nagate the points

we ponder. It is how the true study happens - for you and for us.

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

, " sheevani147 "

<sheevani147 wrote:

>

> Namaste Sreenadh ji..

>

> ///Shashtashtama kantakago gurur uchho bhavati

> Meena lagne va Janmani marane va mokshgatimahuH

> (Leghu Jatakam)

> [if Jupiter is in 6th, 8th or 12th from lagna especially in

> exaltation; or if Jupiter is in Pisces lagna - at the time of birth

> or death the same can indicate Moksha gati]

> This sloka clearly indicates that Jupiter in 6th, 8th or 12th

> increases one's interest in spirituality and realization - which of

> course is usually causes negative influence regarding happy family

> life with wife - and sex life. Possibly such too much interest in

> spirituality too can cause a house-wreck. ///

>

> Another chart with native having exalted retro Jupiter in 6H conjunct

> Rahu, native had relationship breakdown and other issues, left home

> on own accord,, disenchanted with life, turned to spirituality during

> MD of shani, placed in 4H conjunct mars..

>

> regards

> Sheevani

>

> , " sheevani147 "

> sheevani147@ wrote:

> >

> > Namaste Sreenadhji..

> >

> > ///Shashtashtama kantakago gurur uchho bhavati

> > Meena lagne va Janmani marane va mokshgatimahuH

> > (Leghu Jatakam)

> > [if Jupiter is in 6th, 8th or 12th from lagna especially in

> > exaltation; or if Jupiter is in Pisces lagna - at the time of birth

> > or death the same can indicate Moksha gati]

> > This sloka clearly indicates that Jupiter in 6th, 8th or 12th

> > increases one's interest in spirituality and realization - which of

> > course is usually causes negative influence regarding happy family

> > life with wife - and sex life. Possibly such too much interest in

> > spirituality too can cause a house-wreck. ///

> >

> > Very interesting to note.. Of course interest in spirituality may

> > develop, triggered by the relationship breakdown too.. as was my

> > experience.. Disenchartment with life and seeking inner strength to

> > carry out one's duties in life, with detachment..

> >

> > Warmest regards

> > Sheevani

> >

> > , sreenadh

> > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Chandrahari ji,

> > > I agree that of course Jupiter is a natural benefice, but then

> > too feel that possibly Jupiter in 12th can indicate many bad

> results

> > such as marriage problems, divorce, or even death of husband as

> told

> > by strijataka - provided other combinations also support the

> same.

> > In this moment the point that comes to my mind related to the

> > possibility is a sloka which reads -

> > > Shashtashtama kantakago gurur uchho bhavati

> > > Meena lagne va Janmani marane va mokshgatimahuH

> > > (Leghu Jatakam)

> > > [if Jupiter is in 6th, 8th or 12th from lagna especially in

> > exaltation; or if Jupiter is in Pisces lagna - at the time of birth

> > or death the same can indicate Moksha gati]

> > > This sloka clearly indicates that Jupiter in 6th, 8th or 12th

> > increases one's interest in spirituality and realization - which of

> > course is usually causes negative influence regarding happy family

> > life with wife - and sex life. Possibly such too much interest in

> > spirituality too can cause a house-wreck.

> > > Any way I am not stressing this point, but instead I will go

> > through the classics and comeback with more material either in

> > support of this argument or negativing - so that we can be sure

> does

> > the books like Strijataka which provides us with such slokas has

> the

> > support for the same in Rishi horas or not. Mean while we can

> verify

> > the same with real life experiences.

> > > Love and regards,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

> > > chandra_hari18 <chandra_hari18@>

> > wrote:

> > > Dear Sreenadh,

> > > Let's not mistakenly blame Jupiter for widowhood. 9th house has

> > nothing to do with Mangalyam except that it is 2nd from 8th and

> hence

> > a benefic in 9th augurs well for the longevity of the husband.

> Other

> > details like luck etc are secondary things. Luck, wealth, fame etc

> > can come through bad ways like insurance policies too. Jupiter as

> > natural significator of 9th (Bhavakaraka) may not be that critical.

> > > But when we consider 8th house malefics, there is no better

> > antidote than Guru in 12th and as you may be knowing this is an

> > important classical dictum that Jnana_Vrddhas adhere to in Kerala.

> > > Jupiter can cause widowhood when Jupiter is lord of Navamsa

> Lagna

> > weakly placed by debiliation or other factors. As lord of Lagna

> > debiliated in Navamsa too, Jupiter can cause widowhood or

> separation

> > (adverse to marital life).

> > > Unless we learn to examine navamsa correctly along with a

> reliable

> > timing technique like Vimsottari dasa, the truth of astrological

> > basics cannot be well understood and we will end up blaming

> Jupiter.

> > Remember that a " Yogamaraka " theory originated in the past based on

> > the horoscope of Tagore who died in Rahu-Mars.

> > > chandra hari

> > >

> > > , " Sreenadh "

> > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Chandrahari ji,

> > > > I apprecioate your view. But note that Jupiter is the lord of

> 9th

> > > > house in the natural horoscope. 9th house is considered as the

> > house of

> > > > luck, and as a house providing good husband and children

> > especially for

> > > > women. Being significator of male some even consider Jupiter as

> > the

> > > > natural significator of husband - even though this argument is

> > not wide

> > > > spread. So the point I would suggest is the - verification of

> > results

> > > > from the known horoscopes. Apart from quoting the sloka, and

> > pointing

> > > > to the possibility of a natural benefic giving inauspicious

> > results, I

> > > > don't had any other intention. But now I feel that we can make

> it

> > a

> > > > point of research, so that it can be confirmed or negated based

> > on known

> > > > charts with the same combination.

> > > > Note: Those who provide the charts with Jupiter in 12th, please

> > ensure

> > > > that the dasa of Jupiter already happened that too after

> marriage

> > in

> > > > those horoscopes.

> > > > Love and regards,

> > > > Sreenadh

> > >

> > > Sreenadh

> > > :

> > /

> > >

> > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with

> Mobile.

> > Try it now.

> > >

> >

>

February 2, 2008

Dear Neelam ji,

Oh! That is a great exmple! I yet to check the

chart and vimsottari dasa - but think that the divorce must have

happened in Jupter dasa (Ju in 12th) Mars Antara (Mars the malefic 12th

lord in 7th). It is such cases that helps us to ensure - which

dasa to use and which Ayanamsa. It is by experimenting with such data

and events that I came to the conclusion that True Ayanamsa of

Chandrahari (46 min more than lahari only works for me) and 360 day

Savana year - don't ask me what is the logic behind I don't

know - fits in well with the results. I don't know whethe

these thoughts are relevent here - because I am yet to check this

chart.

==>

> Do you think its a kendradhipati dosh in operation during the Jupiter dasha?

> Kendra lords not being well placed.

<==

Kendradhipatya dosha becomes relevent only when the

benefic (here Jupiter) owns Maraka stana (2nd and 7th) or is placed in

Maraka stana. Remember the quote bit from Laghu parasari (Jataka

chandrika) - "Marakatwepi cha tayor maraka stana samstiti ........" (If

they owns the Maraka places or is placed in Maraka stana than.....) .

Note that in this case it is not happening and so concepts like

Kendradhipatya dosha is NOT relevent here.

Note: Thanks for the nice thoughts presented at the end of the previous mail - that was interesting.

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

, "neelam gupta" <neelamgupta07 wrote:>> Dear Sreenadhji and all other learned members,> Here's another interesting case of 12th house Jupiter, who happens to be the> lagna lord also.> Male: 29.4.1959/22.30/Delhi> Sagitarius lagan with retrograde saturn, Moon in 2H, Mer and Ket in 4H, Sun> in 5H, Ven in 6th, Mars in 7H, rahu in 10th and a retrograde Jupiter in 12H.> The native has just finished his Jupiter Mahadasha in September 2007.> Now the interesting point here is, at the end of his Jupiter dasha, he has> all his kendras blank in his life. No body, no home, no wife and no job.> His wife left him in 2005 and he is fighting a divorce case. He was chucked> out by the MNC he was working for, although he was in top management cadre> getting about 60 lakh per annum. He has no home to call his own. He's> dejected and depressed, on the verge of a breakdown.> Just a few noteworthy points:> Lagan lord is in 12th house (from lagan, from moon as well as navmansh)> Jupiter is strongly placed in 12th house (remember retrograde jupiter is> strong in all rashis except capricorn)> 7th and 10th lord Mercury is debilitated in 4H in R/K axis.> There is no benefic in kendras, and no rajyoga formed with tikona lords> (except if you take a retrograde aspect of Jupiter which is debatable).> The navamsh kendras have become empty.> Do you think its a kendradhipati dosh in operation during the Jupiter dasha?> Kendra lords not being well placed.> The Kendras signify Vishnu, the maintainer, and the Trikonas signify> Lakshmiji, the Goddess of Fortune. Thus the Kendras indicate things that we> should maintain (1st-body, 4th-home, 7th-wife, 10th-work). On the other> hand, the Trikonas indicate fortune (Purva Punya dharma and religiousness in> this life). So if there's a connection between Kendras and Trikonas through> their lords being conjunct, in Parivartana or at least in aspect, the Yoga> of Lakshmi and Vishnu is created, which brings success. However, if there's> only the Kendras, with no contact from the Trikonas, then there will be no> fortune, opportunities and there will be nothing to maintain. This is the> case with Kendradhipaqti Dosh. The results of the planet are limited because> of no yoga with the Trikonas. This dosh is specifically applicable to the> four dual signs or Jupiter and Mercury as when they are kendra lords, both> their signs fall in kendras only. Though for Sagittarius and Virgo lagnas,> their mooltrikon sign falls in lagan which is also a trikon, they become> dosh-rahit or dosh is not so much (BPHS).> There are several other factors also in the chart that seem to attribute to> this condition.> I would appreciate the opinion of leaned members on this one?> Love and regards> neelam> > On 01/02/2008, sreenadh sreesog wrote:> >> > Dear Chandrahari ji,> > I agree that of course Jupiter is a natural benefice, but then too feel> > that possibly Jupiter in 12th can indicate many bad results such as marriage> > problems, divorce, or even death of husband as told by strijataka -> > provided other combinations also support the same. In this moment the point> > that comes to my mind related to the possibility is a sloka which reads -> > Shashtashtama kantakago gurur uchho bhavati> > Meena lagne va Janmani marane va mokshgatimahuH> > (Leghu Jatakam)> > [if Jupiter is in 6th, 8th or 12th from lagna especially in exaltation;> > or if Jupiter is in Pisces lagna - at the time of birth or death the same> > can indicate Moksha gati]> > This sloka clearly indicates that Jupiter in 6th, 8th or 12th increases> > one's interest in spirituality and realization - which of course is usually> > causes negative influence regarding happy family life with wife - and sex> > life. Possibly such too much interest in spirituality too can cause a> > house-wreck.> > Any way I am not stressing this point, but instead I will go through> > the classics and comeback with more material either in support of this> > argument or negativing - so that we can be sure does the books like> > Strijataka which provides us with such slokas has the support for the same> > in Rishi horas or not. Mean while we can verify the same with real life> > experiences.> > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> >> > *chandra_hari18 chandra_hari18* wrote:> >> > Dear Sreenadh,> > Let's not mistakenly blame Jupiter for widowhood. 9th house has nothing to> > do with Mangalyam except that it is 2nd from 8th and hence a benefic in 9th> > augurs well for the longevity of the husband. Other details like luck etc> > are secondary things. Luck, wealth, fame etc can come through bad ways like> > insurance policies too. Jupiter as natural significator of 9th> > (Bhavakaraka) may not be that critical.> > But when we consider 8th house malefics, there is no better antidote than> > Guru in 12th and as you may be knowing this is an important classical dictum> > that Jnana_Vrddhas adhere to in Kerala.> > Jupiter can cause widowhood when Jupiter is lord of Navamsa Lagna weakly> > placed by debiliation or other factors. As lord of Lagna debiliated in> > Navamsa too, Jupiter can cause widowhood or separation (adverse to marital> > life).> > Unless we learn to examine navamsa correctly along with a reliable timing> > technique like Vimsottari dasa, the truth of astrological basics cannot be> > well understood and we will end up blaming Jupiter. Remember that a> > "Yogamaraka" theory originated in the past based on the horoscope of Tagore> > who died in Rahu-Mars.> > chandra hari

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