Guest guest Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 hare rama krishna , dear grp and memebrs . This is my post long back published in another grp and now again many requests happening in personal and grp mails i thought of re posting it . actualy sreenadhji was discussing abt it some days back and i promised him i will write and then do any modifications required; so here is my post ============== In kerala and what i know generaly in south india we start by matchting the rasi in 10 ways like rasi,rasyaadhipa(they use differnet than normal frndship concept),vasyam,ganam(nature like godly,demonly),yoni(male /female),dinam,mahendra,stree dergham(dooram),rejju and vedham these are 10 and giving each one mark and see if there is more marks and still rejju (ayurvedic -vata ,pitta,kapha-i think)and vedha a must or u can use ashta koota methods prevalent in north . Then we go for papa samya lagana(body),2nd(family and speech),4th house (family happiness and sukha stan),7th house (house of marriage ) ,8th house (deergha mangala stan and maraka place and house of money of partner) and 12 th house is sayana sukha stan and house of expenditure------so there is 6 places we see any malifics are there in above said places from LAGANA,MOON(MIND) AND VENUS (INDICATOR OF MARRIAGE LIFE), some people will giv equal weightage to lagna and moon (as considered 2nd lagan) venus less weightage as some r of the opinion that the papatwa to venus cannot be remedied as a man with loose morals and girl with equaly loose morals can not make good couples, they see 4th and 8th matching only,Only see if too much points venus is gaining esp in the case of girl,it may boost immoral tendencies or deny normal family happyness by giving separation or even illness--it depends on the horoscope, papatwa is considered in decressing order 8/7/4/12/2/1.Most malefic is mars(planet of aggression and sudden actions),then sani,then sun,rahu finaly ketu, also giv some marks like mars-4/sani-3/sun-2/rah and ketu-1 also in lagana-5/2nd house2/4th house-3,7th house-4/8th house-6/12th house 1 Again this we hav to see exceptions ,own house debilataion ,means good strenght can decrees the value and planet neecha or moudya(combust ) will get 100% value.Only aspect of benefics can reduce the effects and malifics will surely increase the effects. Main consideration while analysing---- 1) Papa grahas should b some what equal position or countering position 2)If malefic is benefic from bhava concerned can giv reduction 3)if malefic is yoga karak again papatwa will be reduced 4)see major dasa of papas has passed and see their sub period and do the assessments 5)If lady having widowhood in horoscope match with a person who has two marriage or wife marana yaga( death of wife ) 6)Main considerations shud b given to 7th and 8th position of malefics 7)Then in mans horo papa( malefics ) should b in 7th house 8)Even if in female horoscope papas( malefics) r in 7th and 8th,if a strong benefic in 9th then it s solved automaticaly . AS---- navame shubha samyukte sapape aste ashtamepi va pathi putra yuta nari modate natra samsaya 9)see if papa graha dasas coming immediatly after marriage. 10)dasa santhi nirnayam see in both horoscopes same period dasa ends within 6 months to one years ends .See next dasa is maraka, or papa or weak then those horoscopes shud not b matched same period dasa of enemy of lagna lord is happening and see its promise in the horoscope. same period dasa of mutualy enemys like sun in and sani in another or rahu in one guru or venus and guru see the period of marakas in each horoscope and should not run together at one time Also ones maraka dasa and anothers weak dasa of 7th lord or karaka,like papayuta,papakartari,neecha etc should not happen at same time. if malefics r in 8th house which can cause vaidhavya(widowhood),see the 8th lord and see in whose house he attained in navamsa -in his naisargika dasa can giv the effects.like moon within a year,mars within two year sun 50years ,guru-18th years after marriage or it can giv in dasa of malefics in 8th house then santana chinta (progency) and prosperity and yoga chinta -like this all kinds of stuff frm two horoscopes,longitivity should b calculated firstly before matchting then i hav see an elaborate prashna whether there is daivaanukulyam (wish of god ) for this union and see all kinds of nimittas and omens Now a days nimittas can happen only in villages and in towns its at the discreation of astrologer to add or deduct according to his experience and reasoning power . all good omens like bringings of perfumes,sandal and kumkum,somebody is bringing mangal sutra,gold or new dress,married ladies or couples coming,seeing of astamangala materials,some come singing,mangala dwani like sankh(conch),bells ringing,cows coming,elephant,royals,horses all are considerd good. some nimittas are bad which needs special attention seeing somebody puts his finger in some hole or in nose /seeing some animals/birds mating --suddenly jyothishi can say not reccommended for matching.(actualy i find all this depends on upasana balam ( spiritual power ) of jyothishi) I hope it can giv some what clear idea abt matching and see its not a Soft ware job .It needs a good calibre jyothishi and who learned a good amnt of astro principles . regrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah . 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Guest guest Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 Dear members, First let me say thanks for posting that lengthy email by Mr. Sunil Nair on the issue of Matching Horoscopes. My request to members is to just work out the normal time that it takes to do a proper horoscope matching going by the criteria laid down in the scriptures, then think about those internet savvy people, trying to get quick fix answers for the same, through their postings. They do not have faintest idea as to what instant answers they are getting. Hence always rely on a experienced astrologer and if one is serious better approach a professional and get a complete matching by spending time & money. Remember such consultation is through mutual consultation where concessions has to be made by the individual, for those aspiring of look likes of Aishwarya Rai, should also have necessary bank balance to sustain the cosmetics & dress material, as a bare minimum, similarly for those aspiring for " Aamir " Khans, should have capacity to control & direct the " roving eyes " . With regards, Sreeram_Srinivas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 Dear Kiran ji,> I have observed that if both male and female horoscope has same dosha (e.g: Kuja dosha),> then it gets cancelled. I doubt that statement about your 'observation'; rather it is a logical 'belief'; Ask Sunil ji to clarify you will get a better picture. I am not debating whether the results gets 'cancelled' or not - that the people who experienced it having the same combination will clarify. What I am stresssing is that, it is a logical 'belief'; rather than something 'observed' by the people. Hope this helps.Love and regards,Sreenadh , Kiran R <kiran.rama wrote:>> Good post Sunilji,> > I have observed that if both male and female horoscope has same dosha (e.g: Kuja dosha), then it gets cancelled. This is a mystery to me as if both have dosha both must suffer and have bad life. How does dosha get cancelled if it is present in both?> > Thanks> Kiran> > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > hare rama krishna ,> dear grp and memebrs .> This is my post long back published in another grp and now again many requests happening in personal and grp mails i thought of re posting it .> actualy sreenadhji was discussing abt it some days back and i promised him i will write and then do any modifications required;> so here is my post > ==============> In kerala and what i know generaly in south india we start by matchting the rasi in 10 ways like rasi,rasyaadhipa(they use differnet than normal frndship concept),vasyam,ganam(nature like godly,demonly),yoni(male /female),dinam,mahendra,stree dergham(dooram),rejju and vedham these are 10 and giving each one mark and see if there is more marks and still rejju (ayurvedic -vata ,pitta,kapha-i think)and vedha a must> or u can use ashta koota methods prevalent in north .> Then we go for papa samya> lagana(body),2nd(family and speech),4th house (family happiness and sukha stan),7th house (house of marriage ) ,8th house (deergha mangala stan and maraka place and house of money of partner) and 12 th house is sayana sukha stan and house of expenditure------so there is 6 places > we see any malifics are there in above said places from LAGANA,MOON(MIND) AND VENUS (INDICATOR OF MARRIAGE LIFE),> some people will giv equal weightage to lagna and moon (as considered 2nd lagan) venus less weightage as some r of the opinion that the papatwa to venus cannot be remedied as a man with loose morals and girl with equaly loose morals can not make good couples, they see 4th and 8th matching only,Only see if too much points venus is gaining esp in the case of girl,it may boost immoral tendencies or deny normal family happyness by giving separation or even illness--it depends on the horoscope,> papatwa is considered in decressing order 8/7/4/12/2/1.Most malefic is mars(planet of aggression and sudden actions),then sani,then sun,rahu finaly ketu,> also giv some marks like mars-4/sani-3/sun-2/rah and ketu-1 also in lagana-5/2nd house2/4th house-3,7th house-4/8th house-6/12th house 1> Again this we hav to see exceptions ,own house debilataion ,means good strenght can decrees the value and planet neecha or moudya(combust ) will get 100% value.Only aspect of benefics can reduce the effects and malifics will surely increase the effects.> Main consideration while analysing----> 1) Papa grahas should b some what equal position or countering position> 2)If malefic is benefic from bhava concerned can giv reduction> 3)if malefic is yoga karak again papatwa will be reduced> 4)see major dasa of papas has passed and see their sub period and do the assessments > 5)If lady having widowhood in horoscope match with a person who has two marriage or wife marana yaga( death of wife ) > 6)Main considerations shud b given to 7th and 8th position of malefics> 7)Then in mans horo papa( malefics ) should b in 7th house> 8)Even if in female horoscope papas( malefics) r in 7th and 8th,if a strong benefic in 9th then it s solved automaticaly .> AS---- navame shubha samyukte sapape aste ashtamepi va> pathi putra yuta nari modate natra samsaya> 9)see if papa graha dasas coming immediatly after marriage.> 10)dasa santhi nirnayam> see in both horoscopes same period dasa ends within 6 months to one years ends .See next dasa is maraka, or papa or weak then those horoscopes shud not b matched> same period dasa of enemy of lagna lord is happening and see its promise in the horoscope.> same period dasa of mutualy enemys like sun in and sani in another or rahu in one guru or venus and guru > see the period of marakas in each horoscope and should not run together at one time> Also ones maraka dasa and anothers weak dasa of 7th lord or karaka,like papayuta,papakartari,neecha etc should not happen at same time.> if malefics r in 8th house which can cause vaidhavya(widowhood),see the 8th lord and see in whose house he attained in navamsa -in his naisargika dasa can giv the effects.like moon within a year,mars within two year sun 50years ,guru-18th years after marriage> or it can giv in dasa of malefics in 8th house> then santana chinta (progency) and prosperity and yoga chinta -like this all kinds of stuff frm two horoscopes,longitivity should b calculated firstly before matchting> then i hav see an elaborate prashna whether there is daivaanukulyam (wish of god ) for this union and see all kinds of nimittas and omens> Now a days nimittas can happen only in villages and in towns its at the discreation of astrologer to add or deduct according to his experience and reasoning power .> all good omens like bringings of perfumes,sandal and kumkum,somebody is bringing mangal sutra,gold or new dress,married ladies or couples coming,seeing of astamangala materials,some come singing,mangala dwani like sankh(conch),bells ringing,cows coming,elephant,royals,horses all are considerd good.> some nimittas are bad which needs special attention > seeing somebody puts his finger in some hole or in nose /seeing some animals/birds mating --suddenly jyothishi can say not reccommended for matching.(actualy i find all this depends on upasana balam ( spiritual power ) of jyothishi)> > I hope it can giv some what clear idea abt matching and see its not a Soft ware job .It needs a good calibre jyothishi and who learned a good amnt of astro principles .> > regrds sunil nair > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> > > > > > > > > > Download prohibited? 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Guest guest Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 Dear Sheevani ji,==>> Very interesting thoughts.. when 2 people love each other equally..> they will pray for their wishes to be fulfilled...> What is the force that draws them so forcefully?? Past life> connections???<== Yes - Past life connection+This life connection + Chart connection.. If they are in true love - the charts will match for sure - if not usually that just points to the lack of understanding of the astrologer. :)Love and regards,Sreenadh--- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 dear friends this mangal dosha is purportedly caused by merely mars finding a place in 1,2,4,7,8,12 houses (half of the houses) that too seen from lagna, moon and some say even from venus. some states in india do not reckon 2nd house and similarly some astrologers dont see mars in these houses from chandra and sukra to brand a native manglik. there are more than a dozen rules where this so called mangli yoga gets nullified through a mangli bhang yoga. no ancient classic has any yoga by this name and the genesis of this yoga lies in the individual narration of how mars gives results when placed in the houses 1,4,7,8,12. if any astrologer reads carefully the entire probable dispositions of mars in these houses in speicific relation to marriage, we find only 7,8,12 house placed mars giving some problems and not the other houses especially the vaidhavya yoga. logically kiranji's observation is valid that two wrongs cant make a right. a completely blind man marrying a completely blind woman does not remove their blindness and let them see the world. on a positive side, if the mars placement in a male chart suggests that the man is a womaniser, he would find good company in marrying a woman with similar yoga in her chart as both are broadminded! in all matrimonial websites and advertisements mangliks specifically search only for mangliks thinking that both are made for each other or both are best compatible to each other. the much hyped verse " lagne vyayecha patale jamitrech ashtame kuje, kanya bhartru vinashaya, bharta kanya vinashakrut " does not allow a manglik to marry another manglik as it is internecine for both. but two more verses appeared in modern astrology texts (not ancient, not even medieval) that says as follows: kuja doshvatri deya kuja doshavate kila: nadista dosho na chanista dampatyo sukhavardhana. this verse says that if one manglik marries another manglik, mangal does not do any evil and rather both enjoy love and happiness. bhauma tulyo yada bhauma, paapo va tadvasho bhavet udvaha subhada prokta chiraayu putra pautrada. this verse says that if a man's chart has a malefic mars and if the woman's chart has similar malefic mars or another malefic planet in equal proportion, marriage between both is auspicious. astrologers have been given so many choicest sholkas from books to first fix a native manglik, check the dozens of mangli bhanga yogas and then find another manglik and make the marriage between both auspicious. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksharemedy.com , " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote: > > Dear Kiran ji, > > I have observed that if both male and female horoscope has same dosha > (e.g: Kuja dosha), > > then it gets cancelled. > I doubt that statement about your 'observation'; rather it is a > logical 'belief'; Ask Sunil ji to clarify you will get a better picture. > I am not debating whether the results gets 'cancelled' or not - that the > people who experienced it having the same combination will clarify. > What I am stresssing is that, it is a logical 'belief'; rather than > something 'observed' by the people. > Hope this helps. > Love and regards, > Sreenadh > > , Kiran R > <kiran.rama@> wrote: > > > > Good post Sunilji, > > > > I have observed that if both male and female horoscope has same dosha > (e.g: Kuja dosha), then it gets cancelled. This is a mystery to me as if > both have dosha both must suffer and have bad life. How does dosha get > cancelled if it is present in both? > > > > Thanks > > Kiran > > > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > hare rama krishna , > > dear grp and memebrs . > > This is my post long back published in another grp and now again many > requests happening in personal and grp mails i thought of re posting it > . > > actualy sreenadhji was discussing abt it some days back and i promised > him i will write and then do any modifications required; > > so here is my post > > ============== > > In kerala and what i know generaly in south india we start by > matchting the rasi in 10 ways like rasi,rasyaadhipa(they use differnet > than normal frndship concept),vasyam,ganam(nature like > godly,demonly),yoni(male /female),dinam,mahendra,stree > dergham(dooram),rejju and vedham these are 10 and giving each one mark > and see if there is more marks and still rejju (ayurvedic -vata > ,pitta,kapha-i think)and vedha a must > > or u can use ashta koota methods prevalent in north . > > Then we go for papa samya > > lagana(body),2nd(family and speech),4th house (family happiness and > sukha stan),7th house (house of marriage ) ,8th house (deergha mangala > stan and maraka place and house of money of partner) and 12 th house is > sayana sukha stan and house of expenditure------so there is 6 places > > we see any malifics are there in above said places from > LAGANA,MOON(MIND) AND VENUS (INDICATOR OF MARRIAGE LIFE), > > some people will giv equal weightage to lagna and moon (as considered > 2nd lagan) venus less weightage as some r of the opinion that the > papatwa to venus cannot be remedied as a man with loose morals and girl > with equaly loose morals can not make good couples, they see 4th and 8th > matching only,Only see if too much points venus is gaining esp in the > case of girl,it may boost immoral tendencies or deny normal family > happyness by giving separation or even illness--it depends on the > horoscope, > > papatwa is considered in decressing order 8/7/4/12/2/1.Most malefic is > mars(planet of aggression and sudden actions),then sani,then sun,rahu > finaly ketu, > > also giv some marks like mars-4/sani-3/sun-2/rah and ketu-1 also in > lagana-5/2nd house2/4th house-3,7th house-4/8th house-6/12th house 1 > > Again this we hav to see exceptions ,own house debilataion ,means good > strenght can decrees the value and planet neecha or moudya(combust ) > will get 100% value.Only aspect of benefics can reduce the effects and > malifics will surely increase the effects. > > Main consideration while analysing---- > > 1) Papa grahas should b some what equal position or countering > position > > 2)If malefic is benefic from bhava concerned can giv reduction > > 3)if malefic is yoga karak again papatwa will be reduced > > 4)see major dasa of papas has passed and see their sub period and do > the assessments > > 5)If lady having widowhood in horoscope match with a person who has > two marriage or wife marana yaga( death of wife ) > > 6)Main considerations shud b given to 7th and 8th position of malefics > > 7)Then in mans horo papa( malefics ) should b in 7th house > > 8)Even if in female horoscope papas( malefics) r in 7th and 8th,if a > strong benefic in 9th then it s solved automaticaly . > > AS---- navame shubha samyukte sapape aste ashtamepi va > > pathi putra yuta nari modate natra samsaya > > 9)see if papa graha dasas coming immediatly after marriage. > > 10)dasa santhi nirnayam > > see in both horoscopes same period dasa ends within 6 months to one > years ends .See next dasa is maraka, or papa or weak then those > horoscopes shud not b matched > > same period dasa of enemy of lagna lord is happening and see its > promise in the horoscope. > > same period dasa of mutualy enemys like sun in and sani in another or > rahu in one guru or venus and guru > > see the period of marakas in each horoscope and should not run > together at one time > > Also ones maraka dasa and anothers weak dasa of 7th lord or > karaka,like papayuta,papakartari,neecha etc should not happen at same > time. > > if malefics r in 8th house which can cause vaidhavya (widowhood),see > the 8th lord and see in whose house he attained in navamsa -in his > naisargika dasa can giv the effects.like moon within a year,mars within > two year sun 50years ,guru-18th years after marriage > > or it can giv in dasa of malefics in 8th house > > then santana chinta (progency) and prosperity and yoga chinta - like > this all kinds of stuff frm two horoscopes,longitivity should b > calculated firstly before matchting > > then i hav see an elaborate prashna whether there is daivaanukulyam > (wish of god ) for this union and see all kinds of nimittas and omens > > Now a days nimittas can happen only in villages and in towns its at > the discreation of astrologer to add or deduct according to his > experience and reasoning power . > > all good omens like bringings of perfumes,sandal and kumkum,somebody > is bringing mangal sutra,gold or new dress,married ladies or couples > coming,seeing of astamangala materials,some come singing,mangala dwani > like sankh(conch),bells ringing,cows coming,elephant,royals,horses all > are considerd good. > > some nimittas are bad which needs special attention > > seeing somebody puts his finger in some hole or in nose /seeing some > animals/birds mating --suddenly jyothishi can say not reccommended for > matching.(actualy i find all this depends on upasana balam ( spiritual > power ) of jyothishi) > > > > I hope it can giv some what clear idea abt matching and see its not a > Soft ware job .It needs a good calibre jyothishi and who learned a good > amnt of astro principles . > > > > regrds sunil nair > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Download prohibited? 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Guest guest Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 Members, 1) What is the physical significance of various doshas? Can anyone explain every single dosha eg any papa graha being located in undesirable house from each of the key points lagna, janmarashi and Shukra. In what way these doshas affect the individual? and the marriage? 2) What is the logic behind seeking 'dosha samya' between boy and girl? 3) Why horoscope matching should be done? Is the Runanubandha principle wrong? 4)If a native is destined to have a bad marriage, can an astrologer prevent it by horoscope matching? UdupaOn Jan 28, 2008 1:50 PM, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala wrote: hare rama krishna , dear grp and memebrs . This is my post long back published in another grp and now again many requests happening in personal and grp mails i thought of re posting it . actualy sreenadhji was discussing abt it some days back and i promised him i will write and then do any modifications required; so here is my post ============== In kerala and what i know generaly in south india we start by matchting the rasi in 10 ways like rasi,rasyaadhipa(they use differnet than normal frndship concept),vasyam,ganam(nature like godly,demonly),yoni(male /female),dinam,mahendra,stree dergham(dooram),rejju and vedham these are 10 and giving each one mark and see if there is more marks and still rejju (ayurvedic -vata ,pitta,kapha-i think)and vedha a must or u can use ashta koota methods prevalent in north . Then we go for papa samya lagana(body),2nd(family and speech),4th house (family happiness and sukha stan),7th house (house of marriage ) ,8th house (deergha mangala stan and maraka place and house of money of partner) and 12 th house is sayana sukha stan and house of expenditure------so there is 6 places we see any malifics are there in above said places from LAGANA,MOON(MIND) AND VENUS (INDICATOR OF MARRIAGE LIFE), some people will giv equal weightage to lagna and moon (as considered 2nd lagan) venus less weightage as some r of the opinion that the papatwa to venus cannot be remedied as a man with loose morals and girl with equaly loose morals can not make good couples, they see 4th and 8th matching only,Only see if too much points venus is gaining esp in the case of girl,it may boost immoral tendencies or deny normal family happyness by giving separation or even illness--it depends on the horoscope, papatwa is considered in decressing order 8/7/4/12/2/1.Most malefic is mars(planet of aggression and sudden actions),then sani,then sun,rahu finaly ketu, also giv some marks like mars-4/sani-3/sun-2/rah and ketu-1 also in lagana-5/2nd house2/4th house-3,7th house-4/8th house-6/12th house 1 Again this we hav to see exceptions ,own house debilataion ,means good strenght can decrees the value and planet neecha or moudya(combust ) will get 100% value.Only aspect of benefics can reduce the effects and malifics will surely increase the effects. Main consideration while analysing---- 1) Papa grahas should b some what equal position or countering position 2)If malefic is benefic from bhava concerned can giv reduction 3)if malefic is yoga karak again papatwa will be reduced 4)see major dasa of papas has passed and see their sub period and do the assessments 5)If lady having widowhood in horoscope match with a person who has two marriage or wife marana yaga( death of wife ) 6)Main considerations shud b given to 7th and 8th position of malefics 7)Then in mans horo papa( malefics ) should b in 7th house 8)Even if in female horoscope papas( malefics) r in 7th and 8th,if a strong benefic in 9th then it s solved automaticaly . AS---- navame shubha samyukte sapape aste ashtamepi va pathi putra yuta nari modate natra samsaya 9)see if papa graha dasas coming immediatly after marriage. 10)dasa santhi nirnayam see in both horoscopes same period dasa ends within 6 months to one years ends .See next dasa is maraka, or papa or weak then those horoscopes shud not b matched same period dasa of enemy of lagna lord is happening and see its promise in the horoscope. same period dasa of mutualy enemys like sun in and sani in another or rahu in one guru or venus and guru see the period of marakas in each horoscope and should not run together at one time Also ones maraka dasa and anothers weak dasa of 7th lord or karaka,like papayuta,papakartari,neecha etc should not happen at same time. if malefics r in 8th house which can cause vaidhavya(widowhood),see the 8th lord and see in whose house he attained in navamsa -in his naisargika dasa can giv the effects.like moon within a year,mars within two year sun 50years ,guru-18th years after marriage or it can giv in dasa of malefics in 8th house then santana chinta (progency) and prosperity and yoga chinta -like this all kinds of stuff frm two horoscopes,longitivity should b calculated firstly before matchting then i hav see an elaborate prashna whether there is daivaanukulyam (wish of god ) for this union and see all kinds of nimittas and omens Now a days nimittas can happen only in villages and in towns its at the discreation of astrologer to add or deduct according to his experience and reasoning power . all good omens like bringings of perfumes,sandal and kumkum,somebody is bringing mangal sutra,gold or new dress,married ladies or couples coming,seeing of astamangala materials,some come singing,mangala dwani like sankh(conch),bells ringing,cows coming,elephant,royals,horses all are considerd good. some nimittas are bad which needs special attention seeing somebody puts his finger in some hole or in nose /seeing some animals/birds mating --suddenly jyothishi can say not reccommended for matching.(actualy i find all this depends on upasana balam ( spiritual power ) of jyothishi) I hope it can giv some what clear idea abt matching and see its not a Soft ware job .It needs a good calibre jyothishi and who learned a good amnt of astro principles . regrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah . 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Guest guest Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 Dear Member, 1) The first realization one needs to dawn upon is that there are NO best location of a planet in a hororscope, where it is devoid of any dosham or affliction. We have partly discussed in terms of 2HL in Lagna..etc. about malefic & benefic nature of the planet i.e. dual nature of a planet. So what is applicable to HL placement can also be extended to a planet on similar lines. Conclusion : To debate on malefic or benefic is irrelevant for the nature of the subject {i.e. may be good for career, but not for family as mentioned in case of Mr. Chiranjiv provide birth data - his own - see the recent archives } would determine true nature of the planetary influence. 2) It is a psychological matching of the two people on astrological lines, with some probable predictions of marital life 3) Yes the principle of Rinanubandhan is equally applicable. We did discuss it in few email postings of mine. Some broad hits were given by Sri K.N. Rao in his books. 4) It may not be astrologer who can "prevent" but the individual himself acting on guidance of a good astrologer can sustain marriage. Example-1: In the one of the quiz discussed in the foreign on the issue of longevity, my analysis was denial of marriage, however native married { delayed marriage - memory - 38+yrs}, but was short lived {remember as 4-5 yrs}. Example-2: Sri K.N. Rao did not marry based on his mother's advice. Example-3: I have a horoscope, where the native inspite of well being, did not marry for pure astrological reasons. He himself a very qualited astros, now 42+ yrs. 7-June-1965, Delhi, Aquarius Lagna, 7 planets in kendra, 2 in trikona. How the life would have been if they had married {Ex-2 & 3}, is a wild guess. Conclusion: I have seen closely few computer matched horoscopes giving less than 17 points, sustaining marriage, with some good times, thanks to a good Marriage Muhurat. There was a random check done with other astros on real horoscopes, almost all opined divorce or splitting, yet the reality is far different. Very few people have the knowledge of using Muhurat intelligently in such cases. Myself involved in an extreme case of horoscope "horrible mis-match" of my junior colleague's sister, where I changed the marriage muhurat almost 2 hrs before actual event, after debate & discussion with Panditji, would need to wait for the knowing the outcome till end Year 2009. From the muhurat, it is easy to find out which planet or God has been dis-pleased and where & when the effect shall be known....etc.. = but to be done by knowledgeable people only. Unless, the native is willing, where there is mutual trust, NO astrologer can take the risk. In a case of a company Office shifting to a new premises, the Muhurat arrived by a Panditji, was discussed between Myself & Sreenadh some time in Year 2005, through a Messenger Chat, the predictions given by Sreenadh purely on Muhurat were 100% true to the extent of dates. The company changed its premises within 6 months later, employee attrition, had a series of problems,..etc.. There are many ifs & buts, but life has NO replay, so the conclusions drawn can be endlessly debated. There is great deal of energy & knowledge that goes into a muhurat which is altogether a different subject & topic. Unless one has some prior background in it, then only we can go on it...for the members are still grabbling with basic hororscopes. With regards, Sreeram_Srinivas , Guru <ahudupa wrote: Members, 1) What is the physical significance of various doshas? Can anyone explain every single dosha eg any papa graha being located in undesirable house from each of the key points lagna, janmarashi and Shukra. In what way these doshas affect the individual? and the marriage? 2) What is the logic behind seeking 'dosha samya' between boy and girl? 3) Why horoscope matching should be done? Is the Runanubandha principle wrong? 4)If a native is destined to have a bad marriage, can an astrologer prevent it by horoscope matching? Udupa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 When 2 people meet & become more than strangers for a period of time or life it is said that some planet of both the people is either in the same rashi, bhava or complimentry. So If both the Jatakas have Guru in same/complimentry rashi or it is benefic to the other persons malefic yoga it helps a lot. If a person has either Sukra or Mars in 5th house and the other has Mars or Sukra in 11th house then some magnetism maybe there between the two. Conversly Saturn is there in 1 person's x house and the other has Moon in the same, complimentary house/rashi, then the relationship is characterised by qualities of Saturn/moon combination. These combinations are also found in other relations such as old friends, business aquantances with whom you have a deep relationship, boss & those worknig under his/her guidance, brothers in arms on the battlefield or in crime etc. The type of deep complimentary relationship U refered to needs to have at least Sun, Moon & Jupiter in these positions as "BEAUTY IS ONLY SKIN DEEP" You need more than that to sustain a relationship. If you can try to find out horoscope of old couples who seem to be comfortable with each other { difficult to find out as sometimes 1 partner is accepted as dominating by the other, roles get sterotyped and superficially they look happy}. There in is also my contribution to the threds on Jupiter & Venus. Both give knowledge of shastras, music etc. Both when well placed give wealth, name & fame. Both are respected as teachers. Then what is the difference - Guru gives Viveka along with the knowledge. You may be empowered with a weapon ( some knowledge ) but you know the repercussions, thus the futility of using it. It may give you tangiable benefits but Jupiter will make u look in toto. That will be the diff. between the two if Jupiter is well placed in Lagna. I had given some off the cuff observations of that kid (venus in Lagna, Kidney problems etc.) being disscussed. Want to know wether I was nearabout the bullseye. --- On Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 Hare ramakrishna Dear udupa ji . my reply given below 1) What is the physical significance of various doshas? Can anyone explain every single dosha eg any papa graha being located in undesirable house from each of the key points lagna, janmarashi and Shukra. In what way these doshas affect the individual? and the marriage? Ans ---Sir ji you hav to go tru my post and try to get what i was conveying so u will understand it in better way ,i dont hav a quick fix solution to make u understand than a wast subjuct into a short mail 2) What is the logic behind seeking 'dosha samya' between boy and girl? Ans --Doshas will be cancelled each other as both doshas cannot operate . 3) Why horoscope matching should be done? Is the Runanubandha principle wrong? Ans --good question ,i will ask u why then astrology itself if u blv man in pretuned like an animal and has no choice and will power .But there is limit for will power and fate .Its still under debate .But without making a roti u cannot eat it .So even if god has given u all resources its purely ur effort to make it or break it 4)If a native is destined to have a bad marriage, can an astrologer prevent it by horoscope matching? Ans ---here by matchting and even some times prolonging marriage astrology is trying to help u to make it a working one than quality is purely based on the promise in chart .As for hindu s concept marriage is not for sex but for dharma and propagation of kula and things like that and its another big debate which is non astrological . regrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah , Guru <ahudupa wrote:>> Members,> 1) What is the physical significance of various doshas? Can anyone explain> every single dosha eg any papa graha being located in undesirable house from> each of the key points lagna, janmarashi and Shukra. In what way these> doshas affect the individual? and the marriage?> 2) What is the logic behind seeking 'dosha samya' between boy and girl?> 3) Why horoscope matching should be done? Is the Runanubandha principle> wrong?> 4)If a native is destined to have a bad marriage, can an astrologer> prevent it by horoscope matching?> Udupa> > On Jan 28, 2008 1:50 PM, sunil nair astro_tellerkerala wrote:> > >> >> > hare rama krishna ,> >> > dear grp and memebrs .> >> > This is my post long back published in another grp and now again many> > requests happening in personal and grp mails i thought of re posting it .> >> > actualy sreenadhji was discussing abt it some days back and i promised him> > i will write and then do any modifications required;> >> > so here is my post> >> > ==============> >> > In kerala and what i know generaly in south india we start by matchting> > the rasi in 10 ways like rasi,rasyaadhipa(they use differnet than normal> > frndship concept),vasyam,ganam(nature like godly,demonly),yoni(male> > /female),dinam,mahendra,stree dergham(dooram),rejju and vedham these are 10> > and giving each one mark and see if there is more marks and still rejju> > (ayurvedic -vata ,pitta,kapha-i think)and vedha a must> >> > or u can use ashta koota methods prevalent in north .> >> > Then we go for papa samya> >> > lagana(body),2nd(family and speech),4th house (family happiness and sukha> > stan),7th house (house of marriage ) ,8th house (deergha mangala stan and> > maraka place and house of money of partner) and 12 th house is sayana sukha> > stan and house of expenditure------so there is 6 places> >> > we see any malifics are there in above said places from> > LAGANA,MOON(MIND) AND VENUS (INDICATOR OF MARRIAGE LIFE),> >> > some people will giv equal weightage to lagna and moon (as considered 2nd> > lagan) venus less weightage as some r of the opinion that the papatwa to> > venus cannot be remedied as a man with loose morals and girl with equaly> > loose morals can not make good couples, they see 4th and 8th matching> > only,Only see if too much points venus is gaining esp in the case of girl,it> > may boost immoral tendencies or deny normal family happyness by giving> > separation or even illness--it depends on the horoscope,> >> > papatwa is considered in decressing order 8/7/4/12/2/1.Most malefic is> > mars(planet of aggression and sudden actions),then sani,then sun,rahu finaly> > ketu,> >> > also giv some marks like mars-4/sani-3/sun-2/rah and ketu-1 also in> > lagana-5/2nd house2/4th house-3,7th house-4/8th house-6/12th house 1> >> > Again this we hav to see exceptions ,own house debilataion ,means good> > strenght can decrees the value and planet neecha or moudya(combust ) will> > get 100% value.Only aspect of benefics can reduce the effects and malifics> > will surely increase the effects.> >> > Main consideration while analysing----> >> > 1) Papa grahas should b some what equal position or countering position> >> > 2)If malefic is benefic from bhava concerned can giv reduction> >> > 3)if malefic is yoga karak again papatwa will be reduced> >> > 4)see major dasa of papas has passed and see their sub period and do the> > assessments> >> > 5)If lady having widowhood in horoscope match with a person who has two> > marriage or wife marana yaga( death of wife )> >> > 6)Main considerations shud b given to 7th and 8th position of malefics> >> > 7)Then in mans horo papa( malefics ) should b in 7th house> >> > 8)Even if in female horoscope papas( malefics) r in 7th and 8th,if a> > strong benefic in 9th then it s solved automaticaly .> >> > AS---- navame shubha samyukte sapape aste ashtamepi va> >> > pathi putra yuta nari modate natra samsaya> >> > 9)see if papa graha dasas coming immediatly after marriage.> >> > 10)dasa santhi nirnayam> >> > see in both horoscopes same period dasa ends within 6 months to one> > years ends .See next dasa is maraka, or papa or weak then those horoscopes> > shud not b matched> >> > same period dasa of enemy of lagna lord is happening and see its> > promise in the horoscope.> >> > same period dasa of mutualy enemys like sun in and sani in another or rahu> > in one guru or venus and guru> >> > see the period of marakas in each horoscope and should not run together at> > one time> >> > Also ones maraka dasa and anothers weak dasa of 7th lord or karaka,like> > papayuta,papakartari,neecha etc should not happen at same time.> >> > if malefics r in 8th house which can cause vaidhavya(widowhood),see the> > 8th lord and see in whose house he attained in navamsa -in his naisargika> > dasa can giv the effects.like moon within a year,mars within two year sun> > 50years ,guru-18th years after marriage> >> > or it can giv in dasa of malefics in 8th house> >> > then santana chinta (progency) and prosperity and yoga chinta -like this> > all kinds of stuff frm two horoscopes,longitivity should b calculated> > firstly before matchting> >> > then i hav see an elaborate prashna whether there is> > daivaanukulyam (wish of god ) for this union and see all kinds of nimittas> > and omens> >> > Now a days nimittas can happen only in villages and in towns its at the> > discreation of astrologer to add or deduct according to his experience and> > reasoning power .> >> > all good omens like bringings of perfumes,sandal and kumkum,somebody is> > bringing mangal sutra,gold or new dress,married ladies or couples> > coming,seeing of astamangala materials,some come singing,mangala dwani like> > sankh(conch),bells ringing,cows coming,elephant,royals,horses all are> > considerd good.> >> > some nimittas are bad which needs special attention> >> > seeing somebody puts his finger in some hole or in nose /seeing some> > animals/birds mating --suddenly jyothishi can say not reccommended for> > matching.(actualy i find all this depends on upasana balam ( spiritual power> > ) of jyothishi)> >> >> >> > I hope it can giv some what clear idea abt matching and see its not a Soft> > ware job .It needs a good calibre jyothishi and who learned a good amnt of> > astro principles .> >> >> >> > regrds sunil nair> >> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> 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Guest guest Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 Namaste Sunilji, Very intriquing case, thanks for sharing.. Could I please trouble you to know if you have their horoscopes, to share,, planets that were in similar or complimentary placements and rasi. //when he lost his mumbai job during immediately after marriage they > suffered lot -it was a after marriage effect// It is very interesting to note that,, because Your cousin had been a person who took his commitment seriously.. he was able to get the true fruits of the partnership.. less commited persons might have viewed the partner 'jinxed' and found reasons to end the partnership, It was a cosmic test of calibre of individual. 'From adversity, arises the genius' Warmest regards Sheevani , " sunil nair " <astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > > > > Hare ramakrishna , > > dear shivani ji . > > > > yes ,past life connections also decides . > > > > I rememebr a case -one of my relatives marriage matchting 3 charts find > out that can be taken for consideration and the astrologer who done the > prashna pick up one chart which belongs to a poor girl who has no big > education or property and and even she was not that good looking also > those days except fair skin . > > > > Astrologer was telling that they were couples in last birth and this > girl has blessing of laxmi and which proved subsequently correct with > our experience . > > > > Now after 30 years of marriage every year they were rising and happy and > conteneded till today . > > > > A man who was having a normal job in mumbai then gone to middle east ( > when he lost his mumbai job during immediately after marriage they > suffered lot -it was a after marriage effect and this made him to look > for a different areas in life ) .Now he a partner in a company who has > branches in many cities of world and getting big share in company and > the poor girl who has not even a good home in living in fully designed > house which has lawns and automatic gates with security equipment and a > house has swimming pool and other facilities in one of the medium city > in kerala . > > > > Now their worth can be speculated only .He was one of my elder cousin > and now almost 30 yrs passed after marriage . > > This is how astrology can help people .And the poor old astrologer is no > more and his children are still in profession .I know when VV giri was > indian president he visited once this astrologer during his kerala visit > . > > > > Even i was looking for how the astrologer find out those combinations > and still dont know whether he see it tru prashna or chart > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > om shreem maha laxmai namah. > > > > > , " sheevani147 " > <sheevani147@> wrote: > > > > Namaste Sunilji, > > > > ///Again i wanted to add one more line which sri sreenadh ji asked me > > to add while discussing ,that all rishis endorses the couples for > > marriage who are mutualy in lov and if such love is pure and platonic > > than any material or outside consideration. > > > > > > > > and their are so many dictums like mananukulyam prathamam prasastam -- > > -like ( which is known as mana : porutham -its is highest match in -- > > of all matching principles ) And even rishis says such couples will > > be protected by god if they seek devine intervention for their > > problems in case if any ./// > > > > Very interesting thoughts.. when 2 people love each other equally.. > > they will pray for their wishes to be fulfilled... > > > > What is the force that draws them so forcefully?? Past life > > connections??? > > > > Regards > > Sheevani > > > > > > > > > > > > , " sunil nair " > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna , > > > > > > dear kiran ji , > > > > > > > > > > > > A good point put forward by u . > > > > > > if both has same dosha ,the principle is both get cancelled ,samam > > > samena haram ( means 2 negetives make a positiv -i think Homeo > > medicine > > > uses this techniq ) .suppose some one has wife death yoga ( means > > his > > > wife will die and he will liv longer ) and a lady has similar yoga > > known > > > as vaidhavya yoga .so how can it materialise if both charts are > > matched > > > for a marriage ,As each will get cancelled each other . > > > > > > > > > > > > But i heard similar to ur arguement by differrent school of > > thought . > > > > > > > > > > > > But here we can take rishi munis vakya and our experinces and what > > is > > > taught to us by our gurus esp the parampara which is unbroken and > > has > > > 1000s of years knowledge behind them which is coming like river > > ganga > > > from the head of Lord siva . > > > > > > > > > > > > Ya still i dont think the matchting only need not gaurantee the > > > quality of married life ( it will surely will contribute the lenght > > of > > > married life and protection for kids as dasa matchting is done for > > 25 to > > > 30 years ,so the eldest kid will be a earning memebr by then ) > > unless > > > good happiness in chart is promised .In cases sudden death of > > spouce -u > > > can see that in majority of the cases ,they were very happily > > married > > > and may be even others may be jealous abt the happy couples .And > > > suddenly the bad yoga in chart surfaces . > > > > > > > > > > > > The matchting is very serious one which is not the realm of > > beginers and > > > it needs high command of astro principles if u wanted to employ it > > fully > > > .But u know how carelessly todays parents do it . > > > > > > > > > > > > Still i dont disclose one techniq which can ascertain the total > > qaulity > > > of couples chart ( physical ,mental and material attitudes of > > couples ) > > > which is taught to me by sreeram sreenivas ji and i am under the > > oath of > > > secrecy as its very rare techniq and i think he learned from his > > guru > > > sri K N rao . > > > > > > > > > > > > I find it is very useful for determining the quality of 2 partners > > in > > > business also ,if u combine with dasas running after commencement of > > > business along with the attributes showing in chart . > > > > > > > > > > > > spouce is our partner in life . > > > > > > Again i wanted to add one more line which sri sreenadh ji asked me > > to > > > add while discussing ,that all rishis endorses the couples for > > marriage > > > who are mutualy in lov and if such love is pure and platonic than > > any > > > material or outside consideration. > > > > > > > > > > > > and their are so many dictums like mananukulyam prathamam prasastam > > > ---like ( which is known as mana : porutham -its is highest match in > > > --of all matching principles ) And even rishis says such couples > > will be > > > protected by god if they seek devine intervention for their > > problems in > > > case if any . > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks for ur enthusiasm and keep up ur quest for knowledge . > > > > > > > > > > > > It will deffenitly come to u . > > > > > > All the best > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Kiran R > > > <kiran.rama@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Good post Sunilji, > > > > > > > > I have observed that if both male and female horoscope has same > > dosha > > > (e.g: Kuja dosha), then it gets cancelled. This is a mystery to me > > as if > > > both have dosha both must suffer and have bad life. How does dosha > > get > > > cancelled if it is present in both? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Kiran > > > > > > > > > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > > > hare rama krishna , > > > > dear grp and memebrs . > > > > This is my post long back published in another grp and now again > > many > > > requests happening in personal and grp mails i thought of re > > posting it > > > . > > > > actualy sreenadhji was discussing abt it some days back and i > > promised > > > him i will write and then do any modifications required; > > > > so here is my post > > > > ============== > > > > In kerala and what i know generaly in south india we start by > > > matchting the rasi in 10 ways like rasi,rasyaadhipa(they use > > differnet > > > than normal frndship concept),vasyam,ganam(nature like > > > godly,demonly),yoni(male /female),dinam,mahendra,stree > > > dergham(dooram),rejju and vedham these are 10 and giving each one > > mark > > > and see if there is more marks and still rejju (ayurvedic -vata > > > ,pitta,kapha-i think)and vedha a must > > > > or u can use ashta koota methods prevalent in north . > > > > Then we go for papa samya > > > > lagana(body),2nd(family and speech),4th house (family happiness > > and > > > sukha stan),7th house (house of marriage ) ,8th house (deergha > > mangala > > > stan and maraka place and house of money of partner) and 12 th > > house is > > > sayana sukha stan and house of expenditure------so there is 6 places > > > > we see any malifics are there in above said places from > > > LAGANA,MOON(MIND) AND VENUS (INDICATOR OF MARRIAGE LIFE), > > > > some people will giv equal weightage to lagna and moon (as > > considered > > > 2nd lagan) venus less weightage as some r of the opinion that the > > > papatwa to venus cannot be remedied as a man with loose morals and > > girl > > > with equaly loose morals can not make good couples, they see 4th > > and 8th > > > matching only,Only see if too much points venus is gaining esp in > > the > > > case of girl,it may boost immoral tendencies or deny normal family > > > happyness by giving separation or even illness--it depends on the > > > horoscope, > > > > papatwa is considered in decressing order 8/7/4/12/2/1.Most > > malefic is > > > mars(planet of aggression and sudden actions),then sani,then > > sun,rahu > > > finaly ketu, > > > > also giv some marks like mars-4/sani-3/sun-2/rah and ketu-1 also > > in > > > lagana-5/2nd house2/4th house-3,7th house-4/8th house-6/12th house 1 > > > > Again this we hav to see exceptions ,own house debilataion ,means > > good > > > strenght can decrees the value and planet neecha or moudya (combust ) > > > will get 100% value.Only aspect of benefics can reduce the effects > > and > > > malifics will surely increase the effects. > > > > Main consideration while analysing---- > > > > 1) Papa grahas should b some what equal position or countering > > > position > > > > 2)If malefic is benefic from bhava concerned can giv reduction > > > > 3)if malefic is yoga karak again papatwa will be reduced > > > > 4)see major dasa of papas has passed and see their sub period and > > do > > > the assessments > > > > 5)If lady having widowhood in horoscope match with a person who > > has > > > two marriage or wife marana yaga( death of wife ) > > > > 6)Main considerations shud b given to 7th and 8th position of > > malefics > > > > 7)Then in mans horo papa( malefics ) should b in 7th house > > > > 8)Even if in female horoscope papas( malefics) r in 7th and > > 8th,if a > > > strong benefic in 9th then it s solved automaticaly . > > > > AS---- navame shubha samyukte sapape aste ashtamepi va > > > > pathi putra yuta nari modate natra samsaya > > > > 9)see if papa graha dasas coming immediatly after marriage. > > > > 10)dasa santhi nirnayam > > > > see in both horoscopes same period dasa ends within 6 months to > > one > > > years ends .See next dasa is maraka, or papa or weak then those > > > horoscopes shud not b matched > > > > same period dasa of enemy of lagna lord is happening and see its > > > promise in the horoscope. > > > > same period dasa of mutualy enemys like sun in and sani in > > another or > > > rahu in one guru or venus and guru > > > > see the period of marakas in each horoscope and should not run > > > together at one time > > > > Also ones maraka dasa and anothers weak dasa of 7th lord or > > > karaka,like papayuta,papakartari,neecha etc should not happen at > > same > > > time. > > > > if malefics r in 8th house which can cause vaidhavya > > (widowhood),see > > > the 8th lord and see in whose house he attained in navamsa -in his > > > naisargika dasa can giv the effects.like moon within a year,mars > > within > > > two year sun 50years ,guru-18th years after marriage > > > > or it can giv in dasa of malefics in 8th house > > > > then santana chinta (progency) and prosperity and yoga chinta - > > like > > > this all kinds of stuff frm two horoscopes,longitivity should b > > > calculated firstly before matchting > > > > then i hav see an elaborate prashna whether there is > > daivaanukulyam > > > (wish of god ) for this union and see all kinds of nimittas and > > omens > > > > Now a days nimittas can happen only in villages and in towns its > > at > > > the discreation of astrologer to add or deduct according to his > > > experience and reasoning power . > > > > all good omens like bringings of perfumes,sandal and > > kumkum,somebody > > > is bringing mangal sutra,gold or new dress,married ladies or couples > > > coming,seeing of astamangala materials,some come singing,mangala > > dwani > > > like sankh(conch),bells ringing,cows coming,elephant,royals,horses > > all > > > are considerd good. > > > > some nimittas are bad which needs special attention > > > > seeing somebody puts his finger in some hole or in nose /seeing > > some > > > animals/birds mating --suddenly jyothishi can say not reccommended > > for > > > matching.(actualy i find all this depends on upasana balam ( > > spiritual > > > power ) of jyothishi) > > > > > > > > I hope it can giv some what clear idea abt matching and see its > > not a > > > Soft ware job .It needs a good calibre jyothishi and who learned a > > good > > > amnt of astro principles . > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Download prohibited? 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Guest guest Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 Hare rama krishna , dear shivani ji , I will search my archives and will try to post in grps .Since i am not in kerala the access is less . Thank u for ur interest . regrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah , "sheevani147" <sheevani147 wrote:>> Namaste Sunilji,> > Very intriquing case, thanks for sharing..> > Could I please trouble you to know if you have their horoscopes, to > share,, planets that were in similar or complimentary placements and > rasi.> > //when he lost his mumbai job during immediately after marriage they> > suffered lot -it was a after marriage effect//> > It is very interesting to note that,, because Your cousin had been a > person who took his commitment seriously.. he was able to get the > true fruits of the partnership.. less commited persons might have > viewed the partner 'jinxed' and found reasons to end the partnership,> It was a cosmic test of calibre of individual.> > 'From adversity, arises the genius' > > Warmest regards> Sheevani> > > , "sunil nair" > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> >> > > > > > > > Hare ramakrishna ,> > > > dear shivani ji .> > > > > > > > yes ,past life connections also decides .> > > > > > > > I rememebr a case -one of my relatives marriage matchting 3 charts > find> > out that can be taken for consideration and the astrologer who done > the> > prashna pick up one chart which belongs to a poor girl who has no > big> > education or property and and even she was not that good looking > also> > those days except fair skin .> > > > > > > > Astrologer was telling that they were couples in last birth and > this> > girl has blessing of laxmi and which proved subsequently correct > with> > our experience .> > > > > > > > Now after 30 years of marriage every year they were rising and > happy and> > conteneded till today .> > > > > > > > A man who was having a normal job in mumbai then gone to middle > east (> > when he lost his mumbai job during immediately after marriage they> > suffered lot -it was a after marriage effect and this made him to > look> > for a different areas in life ) .Now he a partner in a company who > has> > branches in many cities of world and getting big share in company > and> > the poor girl who has not even a good home in living in fully > designed> > house which has lawns and automatic gates with security equipment > and a> > house has swimming pool and other facilities in one of the medium > city> > in kerala .> > > > > > > > Now their worth can be speculated only .He was one of my elder > cousin> > and now almost 30 yrs passed after marriage .> > > > This is how astrology can help people .And the poor old astrologer > is no> > more and his children are still in profession .I know when VV giri > was> > indian president he visited once this astrologer during his kerala > visit> > .> > > > > > > > Even i was looking for how the astrologer find out those > combinations> > and still dont know whether he see it tru prashna or chart> > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > > > > > om shreem maha laxmai namah.> > > > > > > > > > , "sheevani147"> > <sheevani147@> wrote:> > >> > > Namaste Sunilji,> > >> > > ///Again i wanted to add one more line which sri sreenadh ji > asked me> > > to add while discussing ,that all rishis endorses the couples for> > > marriage who are mutualy in lov and if such love is pure and > platonic> > > than any material or outside consideration.> > >> > >> > >> > > and their are so many dictums like mananukulyam prathamam > prasastam --> > > -like ( which is known as mana : porutham -its is highest match > in --> > > of all matching principles ) And even rishis says such couples > will> > > be protected by god if they seek devine intervention for their> > > problems in case if any .///> > >> > > Very interesting thoughts.. when 2 people love each other > equally..> > > they will pray for their wishes to be fulfilled...> > >> > > What is the force that draws them so forcefully?? Past life> > > connections???> > >> > > Regards> > > Sheevani> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > , "sunil nair"> > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Hare rama krishna ,> > > >> > > > dear kiran ji ,> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > A good point put forward by u .> > > >> > > > if both has same dosha ,the principle is both get > cancelled ,samam> > > > samena haram ( means 2 negetives make a positiv -i think Homeo> > > medicine> > > > uses this techniq ) .suppose some one has wife death yoga ( > means> > > his> > > > wife will die and he will liv longer ) and a lady has similar > yoga> > > known> > > > as vaidhavya yoga .so how can it materialise if both charts are> > > matched> > > > for a marriage ,As each will get cancelled each other .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > But i heard similar to ur arguement by differrent school of> > > thought .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > But here we can take rishi munis vakya and our experinces and > what> > > is> > > > taught to us by our gurus esp the parampara which is unbroken > and> > > has> > > > 1000s of years knowledge behind them which is coming like river> > > ganga> > > > from the head of Lord siva .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Ya still i dont think the matchting only need not gaurantee the> > > > quality of married life ( it will surely will contribute the > lenght> > > of> > > > married life and protection for kids as dasa matchting is done > for> > > 25 to> > > > 30 years ,so the eldest kid will be a earning memebr by then )> > > unless> > > > good happiness in chart is promised .In cases sudden death of> > > spouce -u> > > > can see that in majority of the cases ,they were very happily> > > married> > > > and may be even others may be jealous abt the happy couples .And> > > > suddenly the bad yoga in chart surfaces .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > The matchting is very serious one which is not the realm of> > > beginers and> > > > it needs high command of astro principles if u wanted to employ > it> > > fully> > > > .But u know how carelessly todays parents do it .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Still i dont disclose one techniq which can ascertain the total> > > qaulity> > > > of couples chart ( physical ,mental and material attitudes of> > > couples )> > > > which is taught to me by sreeram sreenivas ji and i am under the> > > oath of> > > > secrecy as its very rare techniq and i think he learned from his> > > guru> > > > sri K N rao .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > I find it is very useful for determining the quality of 2 > partners> > > in> > > > business also ,if u combine with dasas running after > commencement of> > > > business along with the attributes showing in chart .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > spouce is our partner in life .> > > >> > > > Again i wanted to add one more line which sri sreenadh ji asked > me> > > to> > > > add while discussing ,that all rishis endorses the couples for> > > marriage> > > > who are mutualy in lov and if such love is pure and platonic > than> > > any> > > > material or outside consideration.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > and their are so many dictums like mananukulyam prathamam > prasastam> > > > ---like ( which is known as mana : porutham -its is highest > match in> > > > --of all matching principles ) And even rishis says such couples> > > will be> > > > protected by god if they seek devine intervention for their> > > problems in> > > > case if any .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > thanks for ur enthusiasm and keep up ur quest for knowledge .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > It will deffenitly come to u .> > > >> > > > All the best> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > regrds sunil nair> > > >> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > , Kiran R> > > > <kiran.rama@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Good post Sunilji,> > > > >> > > > > I have observed that if both male and female horoscope has > same> > > dosha> > > > (e.g: Kuja dosha), then it gets cancelled. This is a mystery to > me> > > as if> > > > both have dosha both must suffer and have bad life. How does > dosha> > > get> > > > cancelled if it is present in both?> > > > >> > > > > Thanks> > > > > Kiran> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > hare rama krishna ,> > > > > dear grp and memebrs .> > > > > This is my post long back published in another grp and now > again> > > many> > > > requests happening in personal and grp mails i thought of re> > > posting it> > > > .> > > > > actualy sreenadhji was discussing abt it some days back and i> > > promised> > > > him i will write and then do any modifications required;> > > > > so here is my post> > > > > ==============> > > > > In kerala and what i know generaly in south india we start by> > > > matchting the rasi in 10 ways like rasi,rasyaadhipa(they use> > > differnet> > > > than normal frndship concept),vasyam,ganam(nature like> > > > godly,demonly),yoni(male /female),dinam,mahendra,stree> > > > dergham(dooram),rejju and vedham these are 10 and giving each > one> > > mark> > > > and see if there is more marks and still rejju (ayurvedic -vata> > > > ,pitta,kapha-i think)and vedha a must> > > > > or u can use ashta koota methods prevalent in north .> > > > > Then we go for papa samya> > > > > lagana(body),2nd(family and speech),4th house (family > happiness> > > and> > > > sukha stan),7th house (house of marriage ) ,8th house (deergha> > > mangala> > > > stan and maraka place and house of money of partner) and 12 th> > > house is> > > > sayana sukha stan and house of expenditure------so there is 6 > places> > > > > we see any malifics are there in above said places from> > > > LAGANA,MOON(MIND) AND VENUS (INDICATOR OF MARRIAGE LIFE),> > > > > some people will giv equal weightage to lagna and moon (as> > > considered> > > > 2nd lagan) venus less weightage as some r of the opinion that > the> > > > papatwa to venus cannot be remedied as a man with loose morals > and> > > girl> > > > with equaly loose morals can not make good couples, they see 4th> > > and 8th> > > > matching only,Only see if too much points venus is gaining esp > in> > > the> > > > case of girl,it may boost immoral tendencies or deny normal > family> > > > happyness by giving separation or even illness--it depends on > the> > > > horoscope,> > > > > papatwa is considered in decressing order 8/7/4/12/2/1.Most> > > malefic is> > > > mars(planet of aggression and sudden actions),then sani,then> > > sun,rahu> > > > finaly ketu,> > > > > also giv some marks like mars-4/sani-3/sun-2/rah and ketu-1 > also> > > in> > > > lagana-5/2nd house2/4th house-3,7th house-4/8th house-6/12th > house 1> > > > > Again this we hav to see exceptions ,own house > debilataion ,means> > > good> > > > strenght can decrees the value and planet neecha or moudya> (combust )> > > > will get 100% value.Only aspect of benefics can reduce the > effects> > > and> > > > malifics will surely increase the effects.> > > > > Main consideration while analysing----> > > > > 1) Papa grahas should b some what equal position or countering> > > > position> > > > > 2)If malefic is benefic from bhava concerned can giv reduction> > > > > 3)if malefic is yoga karak again papatwa will be reduced> > > > > 4)see major dasa of papas has passed and see their sub period > and> > > do> > > > the assessments> > > > > 5)If lady having widowhood in horoscope match with a person > who> > > has> > > > two marriage or wife marana yaga( death of wife )> > > > > 6)Main considerations shud b given to 7th and 8th position of> > > malefics> > > > > 7)Then in mans horo papa( malefics ) should b in 7th house> > > > > 8)Even if in female horoscope papas( malefics) r in 7th and> > > 8th,if a> > > > strong benefic in 9th then it s solved automaticaly .> > > > > AS---- navame shubha samyukte sapape aste ashtamepi va> > > > > pathi putra yuta nari modate natra samsaya> > > > > 9)see if papa graha dasas coming immediatly after marriage.> > > > > 10)dasa santhi nirnayam> > > > > see in both horoscopes same period dasa ends within 6 months > to> > > one> > > > years ends .See next dasa is maraka, or papa or weak then those> > > > horoscopes shud not b matched> > > > > same period dasa of enemy of lagna lord is happening and see > its> > > > promise in the horoscope.> > > > > same period dasa of mutualy enemys like sun in and sani in> > > another or> > > > rahu in one guru or venus and guru> > > > > see the period of marakas in each horoscope and should not run> > > > together at one time> > > > > Also ones maraka dasa and anothers weak dasa of 7th lord or> > > > karaka,like papayuta,papakartari,neecha etc should not happen at> > > same> > > > time.> > > > > if malefics r in 8th house which can cause vaidhavya> > > (widowhood),see> > > > the 8th lord and see in whose house he attained in navamsa -in > his> > > > naisargika dasa can giv the effects.like moon within a year,mars> > > within> > > > two year sun 50years ,guru-18th years after marriage> > > > > or it can giv in dasa of malefics in 8th house> > > > > then santana chinta (progency) and prosperity and yoga > chinta -> > > like> > > > this all kinds of stuff frm two horoscopes,longitivity should b> > > > calculated firstly before matchting> > > > > then i hav see an elaborate prashna whether there is> > > daivaanukulyam> > > > (wish of god ) for this union and see all kinds of nimittas and> > > omens> > > > > Now a days nimittas can happen only in villages and in towns > its> > > at> > > > the discreation of astrologer to add or deduct according to his> > > > experience and reasoning power .> > > > > all good omens like bringings of perfumes,sandal and> > > kumkum,somebody> > > > is bringing mangal sutra,gold or new dress,married ladies or > couples> > > > coming,seeing of astamangala materials,some come singing,mangala> > > dwani> > > > like sankh(conch),bells ringing,cows > coming,elephant,royals,horses> > > all> > > > are considerd good.> > > > > some nimittas are bad which needs special attention> > > > > seeing somebody puts his finger in some hole or in > nose /seeing> > > some> > > > animals/birds mating --suddenly jyothishi can say not > reccommended> > > for> > > > matching.(actualy i find all this depends on upasana balam (> > > spiritual> > > > power ) of jyothishi)> > > > >> > > > > I hope it can giv some what clear idea abt matching and see > its> > > not a> > > > Soft ware job .It needs a good calibre jyothishi and who > learned a> > > good> > > > amnt of astro principles .> > > > >> > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Download prohibited? 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Guest guest Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 Well said Panditji....samya will not work in all cases -Samya is usually done for 1, 2, 4, 7, 8, 12 houses for marriage - logic being 7th is spouse, 8th is sustenance of marriage, 4th is sukha, 2nd is kutumba, 12th is pleasure and 1st is native himselfSuppose X has 2nd lord in dustana and malefic in 2nd house - he is going to have problems in earned wealth - if he marries another girl with 2nd lord in dustana/malefic in 2nd house - both will have "Daridrathana"I think it makes sense logically for a person who has a bad 2nd house to look to marry someone with good 2nd house so that it gets cancelled - and same logic to all houses as wellRegarding doshas, mere presence of malefic in 1,2,4,7,8,12 houses does not cause papatwa - what if the house lord is in sustana? There can be benefic aspecting the house? the malefic planet dasa maybe over? the malefic maybe lord of two sustanas...etcSo maybe a better idea to judge all the houses and come to conclusionpanditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote: dear friends this mangal dosha is purportedly caused by merely mars finding a place in 1,2,4,7,8,12 houses (half of the houses) that too seen from lagna, moon and some say even from venus. some states in india do not reckon 2nd house and similarly some astrologers dont see mars in these houses from chandra and sukra to brand a native manglik. there are more than a dozen rules where this so called mangli yoga gets nullified through a mangli bhang yoga. no ancient classic has any yoga by this name and the genesis of this yoga lies in the individual narration of how mars gives results when placed in the houses 1,4,7,8,12. if any astrologer reads carefully the entire probable dispositions of mars in these houses in speicific relation to marriage, we find only 7,8,12 house placed mars giving some problems and not the other houses especially the vaidhavya yoga. logically kiranji's observation is valid that two wrongs cant make a right. a completely blind man marrying a completely blind woman does not remove their blindness and let them see the world. on a positive side, if the mars placement in a male chart suggests that the man is a womaniser, he would find good company in marrying a woman with similar yoga in her chart as both are broadminded! in all matrimonial websites and advertisements mangliks specifically search only for mangliks thinking that both are made for each other or both are best compatible to each other. the much hyped verse "lagne vyayecha patale jamitrech ashtame kuje, kanya bhartru vinashaya, bharta kanya vinashakrut" does not allow a manglik to marry another manglik as it is internecine for both. but two more verses appeared in modern astrology texts (not ancient, not even medieval) that says as follows: kuja doshvatri deya kuja doshavate kila: nadista dosho na chanista dampatyo sukhavardhana. this verse says that if one manglik marries another manglik, mangal does not do any evil and rather both enjoy love and happiness. bhauma tulyo yada bhauma, paapo va tadvasho bhavet udvaha subhada prokta chiraayu putra pautrada. this verse says that if a man's chart has a malefic mars and if the woman's chart has similar malefic mars or another malefic planet in equal proportion, marriage between both is auspicious. astrologers have been given so many choicest sholkas from books to first fix a native manglik, check the dozens of mangli bhanga yogas and then find another manglik and make the marriage between both auspicious. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksharemedy.com , "Sreenadh" <sreesog wrote: > > Dear Kiran ji, > > I have observed that if both male and female horoscope has same dosha > (e.g: Kuja dosha), > > then it gets cancelled. > I doubt that statement about your 'observation'; rather it is a > logical 'belief'; Ask Sunil ji to clarify you will get a better picture. > I am not debating whether the results gets 'cancelled' or not - that the > people who experienced it having the same combination will clarify. > What I am stresssing is that, it is a logical 'belief'; rather than > something 'observed' by the people. > Hope this helps. > Love and regards, > Sreenadh > > , Kiran R > <kiran.rama@> wrote: > > > > Good post Sunilji, > > > > I have observed that if both male and female horoscope has same dosha > (e.g: Kuja dosha), then it gets cancelled. This is a mystery to me as if > both have dosha both must suffer and have bad life. How does dosha get > cancelled if it is present in both? > > > > Thanks > > Kiran > > > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > hare rama krishna , > > dear grp and memebrs . > > This is my post long back published in another grp and now again many > requests happening in personal and grp mails i thought of re posting it > . > > actualy sreenadhji was discussing abt it some days back and i promised > him i will write and then do any modifications required; > > so here is my post > > ============== > > In kerala and what i know generaly in south india we start by > matchting the rasi in 10 ways like rasi,rasyaadhipa(they use differnet > than normal frndship concept),vasyam,ganam(nature like > godly,demonly),yoni(male /female),dinam,mahendra,stree > dergham(dooram),rejju and vedham these are 10 and giving each one mark > and see if there is more marks and still rejju (ayurvedic -vata > ,pitta,kapha-i think)and vedha a must > > or u can use ashta koota methods prevalent in north . > > Then we go for papa samya > > lagana(body),2nd(family and speech),4th house (family happiness and > sukha stan),7th house (house of marriage ) ,8th house (deergha mangala > stan and maraka place and house of money of partner) and 12 th house is > sayana sukha stan and house of expenditure------so there is 6 places > > we see any malifics are there in above said places from > LAGANA,MOON(MIND) AND VENUS (INDICATOR OF MARRIAGE LIFE), > > some people will giv equal weightage to lagna and moon (as considered > 2nd lagan) venus less weightage as some r of the opinion that the > papatwa to venus cannot be remedied as a man with loose morals and girl > with equaly loose morals can not make good couples, they see 4th and 8th > matching only,Only see if too much points venus is gaining esp in the > case of girl,it may boost immoral tendencies or deny normal family > happyness by giving separation or even illness--it depends on the > horoscope, > > papatwa is considered in decressing order 8/7/4/12/2/1.Most malefic is > mars(planet of aggression and sudden actions),then sani,then sun,rahu > finaly ketu, > > also giv some marks like mars-4/sani-3/sun-2/rah and ketu-1 also in > lagana-5/2nd house2/4th house-3,7th house-4/8th house-6/12th house 1 > > Again this we hav to see exceptions ,own house debilataion ,means good > strenght can decrees the value and planet neecha or moudya(combust ) > will get 100% value.Only aspect of benefics can reduce the effects and > malifics will surely increase the effects. > > Main consideration while analysing---- > > 1) Papa grahas should b some what equal position or countering > position > > 2)If malefic is benefic from bhava concerned can giv reduction > > 3)if malefic is yoga karak again papatwa will be reduced > > 4)see major dasa of papas has passed and see their sub period and do > the assessments > > 5)If lady having widowhood in horoscope match with a person who has > two marriage or wife marana yaga( death of wife ) > > 6)Main considerations shud b given to 7th and 8th position of malefics > > 7)Then in mans horo papa( malefics ) should b in 7th house > > 8)Even if in female horoscope papas( malefics) r in 7th and 8th,if a > strong benefic in 9th then it s solved automaticaly . > > AS---- navame shubha samyukte sapape aste ashtamepi va > > pathi putra yuta nari modate natra samsaya > > 9)see if papa graha dasas coming immediatly after marriage. > > 10)dasa santhi nirnayam > > see in both horoscopes same period dasa ends within 6 months to one > years ends .See next dasa is maraka, or papa or weak then those > horoscopes shud not b matched > > same period dasa of enemy of lagna lord is happening and see its > promise in the horoscope. > > same period dasa of mutualy enemys like sun in and sani in another or > rahu in one guru or venus and guru > > see the period of marakas in each horoscope and should not run > together at one time > > Also ones maraka dasa and anothers weak dasa of 7th lord or > karaka,like papayuta,papakartari,neecha etc should not happen at same > time. > > if malefics r in 8th house which can cause vaidhavya (widowhood),see > the 8th lord and see in whose house he attained in navamsa -in his > naisargika dasa can giv the effects.like moon within a year,mars within > two year sun 50years ,guru-18th years after marriage > > or it can giv in dasa of malefics in 8th house > > then santana chinta (progency) and prosperity and yoga chinta - like > this all kinds of stuff frm two horoscopes,longitivity should b > calculated firstly before matchting > > then i hav see an elaborate prashna whether there is daivaanukulyam > (wish of god ) for this union and see all kinds of nimittas and omens > > Now a days nimittas can happen only in villages and in towns its at > the discreation of astrologer to add or deduct according to his > experience and reasoning power . > > all good omens like bringings of perfumes,sandal and kumkum,somebody > is bringing mangal sutra,gold or new dress,married ladies or couples > coming,seeing of astamangala materials,some come singing,mangala dwani > like sankh(conch),bells ringing,cows coming,elephant,royals,horses all > are considerd good. > > some nimittas are bad which needs special attention > > seeing somebody puts his finger in some hole or in nose /seeing some > animals/birds mating --suddenly jyothishi can say not reccommended for > matching.(actualy i find all this depends on upasana balam ( spiritual > power ) of jyothishi) > > > > I hope it can giv some what clear idea abt matching and see its not a > Soft ware job .It needs a good calibre jyothishi and who learned a good > amnt of astro principles . > > > > regrds sunil nair > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Download prohibited? 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Guest guest Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 Hare ramakrishna, dear kiran ji . Yes ur points are valid .But matchting means not simply nakshatra or rasi moon matchting or ashta koota matchting . or its not simply dosha samya matchting . or simply dasa anaylsis we hav to match one chart with other and weigh all pros and cons and see how each chart is capable to contribute each other and support and also see their mental /physical /material make up in chart ,same time we must see any type of tzunami yogas can operate to put any problems . so we hav to see 1)longitivity 2)children 3) prosperity 4) mental make up 5) individual choices 5) even intellectual frequency so on we cannot just do the matchting in mechanical way .Its i will say only the best among astrologers with real calibre and skill can do this job at their best . we otherwise speak from one by one lines as if blind man has seen elephant and says this is wrong and that is wrong is not correct . i hav charts with doshas not matched running may be more than 30 yrs in married life as extreme dosha period is yet to come . thanks for the post. regrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah. , Kiran R <kiran.rama wrote:>> Well said Panditji....> > samya will not work in all cases -> Samya is usually done for 1, 2, 4, 7, 8, 12 houses for marriage - logic being 7th is spouse, 8th is sustenance of marriage, 4th is sukha, 2nd is kutumba, 12th is pleasure and 1st is native himself> > Suppose X has 2nd lord in dustana and malefic in 2nd house - he is going to have problems in earned wealth - if he marries another girl with 2nd lord in dustana/malefic in 2nd house - both will have "Daridrathana"> > > I think it makes sense logically for a person who has a bad 2nd house to look to marry someone with good 2nd house so that it gets cancelled - and same logic to all houses as well> > > Regarding doshas, mere presence of malefic in 1,2,4,7,8,12 houses does not cause papatwa - what if the house lord is in sustana? There can be benefic aspecting the house? the malefic planet dasa maybe over? the malefic maybe lord of two sustanas...etc> > So maybe a better idea to judge all the houses and come to conclusion> > panditarjun2004 panditarjun2004 wrote: dear friends> > this mangal dosha is purportedly caused by merely mars finding a > place in 1,2,4,7,8,12 houses (half of the houses) that too seen from > lagna, moon and some say even from venus. some states in india do > not reckon 2nd house and similarly some astrologers dont see mars in > these houses from chandra and sukra to brand a native manglik.> > there are more than a dozen rules where this so called mangli yoga > gets nullified through a mangli bhang yoga.> > no ancient classic has any yoga by this name and the genesis of this > yoga lies in the individual narration of how mars gives results when > placed in the houses 1,4,7,8,12. if any astrologer reads carefully > the entire probable dispositions of mars in these houses in speicific > relation to marriage, we find only 7,8,12 house placed mars giving > some problems and not the other houses especially the vaidhavya yoga.> > logically kiranji's observation is valid that two wrongs cant make a > right. a completely blind man marrying a completely blind woman does > not remove their blindness and let them see the world. on a positive > side, if the mars placement in a male chart suggests that the man is > a womaniser, he would find good company in marrying a woman with > similar yoga in her chart as both are broadminded!> > in all matrimonial websites and advertisements mangliks specifically > search only for mangliks thinking that both are made for each other > or both are best compatible to each other.> > the much hyped verse "lagne vyayecha patale jamitrech ashtame kuje, > kanya bhartru vinashaya, bharta kanya vinashakrut" does not allow a > manglik to marry another manglik as it is internecine for both.> > but two more verses appeared in modern astrology texts (not ancient, > not even medieval) that says as follows:> > kuja doshvatri deya kuja doshavate kila:> nadista dosho na chanista dampatyo sukhavardhana.> > this verse says that if one manglik marries another manglik, mangal > does not do any evil and rather both enjoy love and happiness.> > bhauma tulyo yada bhauma, paapo va tadvasho bhavet> udvaha subhada prokta chiraayu putra pautrada.> > this verse says that if a man's chart has a malefic mars and if the > woman's chart has similar malefic mars or another malefic planet in > equal proportion, marriage between both is auspicious.> > astrologers have been given so many choicest sholkas from books to > first fix a native manglik, check the dozens of mangli bhanga yogas > and then find another manglik and make the marriage between both > auspicious.> > with best wishes and blessings> pandit arjun> www.rudraksharemedy.com> > , "Sreenadh" > sreesog@ wrote:> >> > Dear Kiran ji,> > > I have observed that if both male and female horoscope has same > dosha> > (e.g: Kuja dosha),> > > then it gets cancelled.> > I doubt that statement about your 'observation'; rather it is a> > logical 'belief'; Ask Sunil ji to clarify you will get a better > picture.> > I am not debating whether the results gets 'cancelled' or not - > that the> > people who experienced it having the same combination will clarify. > > What I am stresssing is that, it is a logical 'belief'; rather than> > something 'observed' by the people.> > Hope this helps.> > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> > > > , Kiran R> > <kiran.rama@> wrote:> > >> > > Good post Sunilji,> > >> > > I have observed that if both male and female horoscope has same > dosha> > (e.g: Kuja dosha), then it gets cancelled. This is a mystery to me > as if> > both have dosha both must suffer and have bad life. How does dosha > get> > cancelled if it is present in both?> > >> > > Thanks> > > Kiran> > >> > >> > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > >> > > hare rama krishna ,> > > dear grp and memebrs .> > > This is my post long back published in another grp and now again > many> > requests happening in personal and grp mails i thought of re > posting it> > .> > > actualy sreenadhji was discussing abt it some days back and i > promised> > him i will write and then do any modifications required;> > > so here is my post> > > ==============> > > In kerala and what i know generaly in south india we start by> > matchting the rasi in 10 ways like rasi,rasyaadhipa(they use > differnet> > than normal frndship concept),vasyam,ganam(nature like> > godly,demonly),yoni(male /female),dinam,mahendra,stree> > dergham(dooram),rejju and vedham these are 10 and giving each one > mark> > and see if there is more marks and still rejju (ayurvedic -vata> > ,pitta,kapha-i think)and vedha a must> > > or u can use ashta koota methods prevalent in north .> > > Then we go for papa samya> > > lagana(body),2nd(family and speech),4th house (family happiness > and> > sukha stan),7th house (house of marriage ) ,8th house (deergha > mangala> > stan and maraka place and house of money of partner) and 12 th > house is> > sayana sukha stan and house of expenditure------so there is 6 places> > > we see any malifics are there in above said places from> > LAGANA,MOON(MIND) AND VENUS (INDICATOR OF MARRIAGE LIFE),> > > some people will giv equal weightage to lagna and moon (as > considered> > 2nd lagan) venus less weightage as some r of the opinion that the> > papatwa to venus cannot be remedied as a man with loose morals and > girl> > with equaly loose morals can not make good couples, they see 4th > and 8th> > matching only,Only see if too much points venus is gaining esp in > the> > case of girl,it may boost immoral tendencies or deny normal family> > happyness by giving separation or even illness--it depends on the> > horoscope,> > > papatwa is considered in decressing order 8/7/4/12/2/1.Most > malefic is> > mars(planet of aggression and sudden actions),then sani,then > sun,rahu> > finaly ketu,> > > also giv some marks like mars-4/sani-3/sun-2/rah and ketu-1 also > in> > lagana-5/2nd house2/4th house-3,7th house-4/8th house-6/12th house 1> > > Again this we hav to see exceptions ,own house debilataion ,means > good> > strenght can decrees the value and planet neecha or moudya(combust )> > will get 100% value.Only aspect of benefics can reduce the effects > and> > malifics will surely increase the effects.> > > Main consideration while analysing----> > > 1) Papa grahas should b some what equal position or countering> > position> > > 2)If malefic is benefic from bhava concerned can giv reduction> > > 3)if malefic is yoga karak again papatwa will be reduced> > > 4)see major dasa of papas has passed and see their sub period and > do> > the assessments> > > 5)If lady having widowhood in horoscope match with a person who > has> > two marriage or wife marana yaga( death of wife )> > > 6)Main considerations shud b given to 7th and 8th position of > malefics> > > 7)Then in mans horo papa( malefics ) should b in 7th house> > > 8)Even if in female horoscope papas( malefics) r in 7th and > 8th,if a> > strong benefic in 9th then it s solved automaticaly .> > > AS---- navame shubha samyukte sapape aste ashtamepi va> > > pathi putra yuta nari modate natra samsaya> > > 9)see if papa graha dasas coming immediatly after marriage.> > > 10)dasa santhi nirnayam> > > see in both horoscopes same period dasa ends within 6 months to > one> > years ends .See next dasa is maraka, or papa or weak then those> > horoscopes shud not b matched> > > same period dasa of enemy of lagna lord is happening and see its> > promise in the horoscope.> > > same period dasa of mutualy enemys like sun in and sani in > another or> > rahu in one guru or venus and guru> > > see the period of marakas in each horoscope and should not run> > together at one time> > > Also ones maraka dasa and anothers weak dasa of 7th lord or> > karaka,like papayuta,papakartari,neecha etc should not happen at > same> > time.> > > if malefics r in 8th house which can cause vaidhavya> (widowhood),see> > the 8th lord and see in whose house he attained in navamsa -in his> > naisargika dasa can giv the effects.like moon within a year,mars > within> > two year sun 50years ,guru-18th years after marriage> > > or it can giv in dasa of malefics in 8th house> > > then santana chinta (progency) and prosperity and yoga chinta -> like> > this all kinds of stuff frm two horoscopes,longitivity should b> > calculated firstly before matchting> > > then i hav see an elaborate prashna whether there is > daivaanukulyam> > (wish of god ) for this union and see all kinds of nimittas and > omens> > > Now a days nimittas can happen only in villages and in towns its > at> > the discreation of astrologer to add or deduct according to his> > experience and reasoning power .> > > all good omens like bringings of perfumes,sandal and > kumkum,somebody> > is bringing mangal sutra,gold or new dress,married ladies or couples> > coming,seeing of astamangala materials,some come singing,mangala > dwani> > like sankh(conch),bells ringing,cows coming,elephant,royals,horses > all> > are considerd good.> > > some nimittas are bad which needs special attention> > > seeing somebody puts his finger in some hole or in nose /seeing > some> > animals/birds mating --suddenly jyothishi can say not reccommended > for> > matching.(actualy i find all this depends on upasana balam ( > spiritual> > power ) of jyothishi)> > >> > > I hope it can giv some what clear idea abt matching and see its > not a> > Soft ware job .It needs a good calibre jyothishi and who learned a > good> > amnt of astro principles .> > >> > > regrds sunil nair> > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > Download prohibited? 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Guest guest Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 Dear sunilji,you are right..nowadays people are simply using the "how many points out of 36" analysis - the 36 point distribution is also skewed with 8 points for nadi, 7 points for rasi, 6 for gana, 5 for grahamaitri, 4 for yoni, 3 for dina, 2 for vasya and 1 for varna. People can argue endlessly as to which to give more importance to Also rajju is very important in south but modern astrologers are not even considering rajju kuta. in south, people will refuse marriage if rajju does not match while in north they are not considering rajju at all in the 36 pointsas you said, one has to look at 7th, 8th most importantly and also look at 1st, 2nd, 4th and 12th - seeing everything in both horoscopes before arriving at decision. What you said about the dasas is very important - Sad to see so many people just opening panchanga and telling the points out of 36 (many cases it is wrong) and just seeing mars, saturn in 7th or 8th house and saying dosha!!Truly, this is the realm of the experienced astrologer ThanksKiransunil nair <astro_tellerkerala wrote: Hare ramakrishna, dear kiran ji . Yes ur points are valid .But matchting means not simply nakshatra or rasi moon matchting or ashta koota matchting . or its not simply dosha samya matchting . or simply dasa anaylsis we hav to match one chart with other and weigh all pros and cons and see how each chart is capable to contribute each other and support and also see their mental /physical /material make up in chart ,same time we must see any type of tzunami yogas can operate to put any problems . so we hav to see 1)longitivity 2)children 3) prosperity 4) mental make up 5) individual choices 5) even intellectual frequency so on we cannot just do the matchting in mechanical way .Its i will say only the best among astrologers with real calibre and skill can do this job at their best . we otherwise speak from one by one lines as if blind man has seen elephant and says this is wrong and that is wrong is not correct . i hav charts with doshas not matched running may be more than 30 yrs in married life as extreme dosha period is yet to come . thanks for the post. regrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah. , Kiran R <kiran.rama wrote:>> Well said Panditji....> > samya will not work in all cases -> Samya is usually done for 1, 2, 4, 7, 8, 12 houses for marriage - logic being 7th is spouse, 8th is sustenance of marriage, 4th is sukha, 2nd is kutumba, 12th is pleasure and 1st is native himself> > Suppose X has 2nd lord in dustana and malefic in 2nd house - he is going to have problems in earned wealth - if he marries another girl with 2nd lord in dustana/malefic in 2nd house - both will have "Daridrathana"> > > I think it makes sense logically for a person who has a bad 2nd house to look to marry someone with good 2nd house so that it gets cancelled - and same logic to all houses as well> > > Regarding doshas, mere presence of malefic in 1,2,4,7,8,12 houses does not cause papatwa - what if the house lord is in sustana? There can be benefic aspecting the house? the malefic planet dasa maybe over? the malefic maybe lord of two sustanas...etc> > So maybe a better idea to judge all the houses and come to conclusion> > panditarjun2004 panditarjun2004 wrote: dear friends> > this mangal dosha is purportedly caused by merely mars finding a > place in 1,2,4,7,8,12 houses (half of the houses) that too seen from > lagna, moon and some say even from venus. some states in india do > not reckon 2nd house and similarly some astrologers dont see mars in > these houses from chandra and sukra to brand a native manglik.> > there are more than a dozen rules where this so called mangli yoga > gets nullified through a mangli bhang yoga.> > no ancient classic has any yoga by this name and the genesis of this > yoga lies in the individual narration of how mars gives results when > placed in the houses 1,4,7,8,12. if any astrologer reads carefully > the entire probable dispositions of mars in these houses in speicific > relation to marriage, we find only 7,8,12 house placed mars giving > some problems and not the other houses especially the vaidhavya yoga.> > logically kiranji's observation is valid that two wrongs cant make a > right. a completely blind man marrying a completely blind woman does > not remove their blindness and let them see the world. on a positive > side, if the mars placement in a male chart suggests that the man is > a womaniser, he would find good company in marrying a woman with > similar yoga in her chart as both are broadminded!> > in all matrimonial websites and advertisements mangliks specifically > search only for mangliks thinking that both are made for each other > or both are best compatible to each other.> > the much hyped verse "lagne vyayecha patale jamitrech ashtame kuje, > kanya bhartru vinashaya, bharta kanya vinashakrut" does not allow a > manglik to marry another manglik as it is internecine for both.> > but two more verses appeared in modern astrology texts (not ancient, > not even medieval) that says as follows:> > kuja doshvatri deya kuja doshavate kila:> nadista dosho na chanista dampatyo sukhavardhana.> > this verse says that if one manglik marries another manglik, mangal > does not do any evil and rather both enjoy love and happiness.> > bhauma tulyo yada bhauma, paapo va tadvasho bhavet> udvaha subhada prokta chiraayu putra pautrada.> > this verse says that if a man's chart has a malefic mars and if the > woman's chart has similar malefic mars or another malefic planet in > equal proportion, marriage between both is auspicious.> > astrologers have been given so many choicest sholkas from books to > first fix a native manglik, check the dozens of mangli bhanga yogas > and then find another manglik and make the marriage between both > auspicious.> > with best wishes and blessings> pandit arjun> www.rudraksharemedy.com> > , "Sreenadh" > sreesog@ wrote:> >> > Dear Kiran ji,> > > I have observed that if both male and female horoscope has same > dosha> > (e.g: Kuja dosha),> > > then it gets cancelled.> > I doubt that statement about your 'observation'; rather it is a> > logical 'belief'; Ask Sunil ji to clarify you will get a better > picture.> > I am not debating whether the results gets 'cancelled' or not - > that the> > people who experienced it having the same combination will clarify. > > What I am stresssing is that, it is a logical 'belief'; rather than> > something 'observed' by the people.> > Hope this helps.> > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> > > > , Kiran R> > <kiran.rama@> wrote:> > >> > > Good post Sunilji,> > >> > > I have observed that if both male and female horoscope has same > dosha> > (e.g: Kuja dosha), then it gets cancelled. This is a mystery to me > as if> > both have dosha both must suffer and have bad life. How does dosha > get> > cancelled if it is present in both?> > >> > > Thanks> > > Kiran> > >> > >> > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > >> > > hare rama krishna ,> > > dear grp and memebrs .> > > This is my post long back published in another grp and now again > many> > requests happening in personal and grp mails i thought of re > posting it> > .> > > actualy sreenadhji was discussing abt it some days back and i > promised> > him i will write and then do any modifications required;> > > so here is my post> > > ==============> > > In kerala and what i know generaly in south india we start by> > matchting the rasi in 10 ways like rasi,rasyaadhipa(they use > differnet> > than normal frndship concept),vasyam,ganam(nature like> > godly,demonly),yoni(male /female),dinam,mahendra,stree> > dergham(dooram),rejju and vedham these are 10 and giving each one > mark> > and see if there is more marks and still rejju (ayurvedic -vata> > ,pitta,kapha-i think)and vedha a must> > > or u can use ashta koota methods prevalent in north .> > > Then we go for papa samya> > > lagana(body),2nd(family and speech),4th house (family happiness > and> > sukha stan),7th house (house of marriage ) ,8th house (deergha > mangala> > stan and maraka place and house of money of partner) and 12 th > house is> > sayana sukha stan and house of expenditure------so there is 6 places> > > we see any malifics are there in above said places from> > LAGANA,MOON(MIND) AND VENUS (INDICATOR OF MARRIAGE LIFE),> > > some people will giv equal weightage to lagna and moon (as > considered> > 2nd lagan) venus less weightage as some r of the opinion that the> > papatwa to venus cannot be remedied as a man with loose morals and > girl> > with equaly loose morals can not make good couples, they see 4th > and 8th> > matching only,Only see if too much points venus is gaining esp in > the> > case of girl,it may boost immoral tendencies or deny normal family> > happyness by giving separation or even illness--it depends on the> > horoscope,> > > papatwa is considered in decressing order 8/7/4/12/2/1.Most > malefic is> > mars(planet of aggression and sudden actions),then sani,then > sun,rahu> > finaly ketu,> > > also giv some marks like mars-4/sani-3/sun-2/rah and ketu-1 also > in> > lagana-5/2nd house2/4th house-3,7th house-4/8th house-6/12th house 1> > > Again this we hav to see exceptions ,own house debilataion ,means > good> > strenght can decrees the value and planet neecha or moudya(combust )> > will get 100% value.Only aspect of benefics can reduce the effects > and> > malifics will surely increase the effects.> > > Main consideration while analysing----> > > 1) Papa grahas should b some what equal position or countering> > position> > > 2)If malefic is benefic from bhava concerned can giv reduction> > > 3)if malefic is yoga karak again papatwa will be reduced> > > 4)see major dasa of papas has passed and see their sub period and > do> > the assessments> > > 5)If lady having widowhood in horoscope match with a person who > has> > two marriage or wife marana yaga( death of wife )> > > 6)Main considerations shud b given to 7th and 8th position of > malefics> > > 7)Then in mans horo papa( malefics ) should b in 7th house> > > 8)Even if in female horoscope papas( malefics) r in 7th and > 8th,if a> > strong benefic in 9th then it s solved automaticaly ..> > > AS---- navame shubha samyukte sapape aste ashtamepi va> > > pathi putra yuta nari modate natra samsaya> > > 9)see if papa graha dasas coming immediatly after marriage.> > > 10)dasa santhi nirnayam> > > see in both horoscopes same period dasa ends within 6 months to > one> > years ends .See next dasa is maraka, or papa or weak then those> > horoscopes shud not b matched> > > same period dasa of enemy of lagna lord is happening and see its> > promise in the horoscope.> > > same period dasa of mutualy enemys like sun in and sani in > another or> > rahu in one guru or venus and guru> > > see the period of marakas in each horoscope and should not run> > together at one time> > > Also ones maraka dasa and anothers weak dasa of 7th lord or> > karaka,like papayuta,papakartari,neecha etc should not happen at > same> > time.> > > if malefics r in 8th house which can cause vaidhavya> (widowhood),see> > the 8th lord and see in whose house he attained in navamsa -in his> > naisargika dasa can giv the effects.like moon within a year,mars > within> > two year sun 50years ,guru-18th years after marriage> > > or it can giv in dasa of malefics in 8th house> > > then santana chinta (progency) and prosperity and yoga chinta -> like> > this all kinds of stuff frm two horoscopes,longitivity should b> > calculated firstly before matchting> > > then i hav see an elaborate prashna whether there is > daivaanukulyam> > (wish of god ) for this union and see all kinds of nimittas and > omens> > > Now a days nimittas can happen only in villages and in towns its > at> > the discreation of astrologer to add or deduct according to his> > experience and reasoning power .> > > all good omens like bringings of perfumes,sandal and > kumkum,somebody> > is bringing mangal sutra,gold or new dress,married ladies or couples> > coming,seeing of astamangala materials,some come singing,mangala > dwani> > like sankh(conch),bells ringing,cows coming,elephant,royals,horses > all> > are considerd good.> > > some nimittas are bad which needs special attention> > > seeing somebody puts his finger in some hole or in nose /seeing > some> > animals/birds mating --suddenly jyothishi can say not reccommended > for> > matching.(actualy i find all this depends on upasana balam ( > spiritual> > power ) of jyothishi)> > >> > > I hope it can giv some what clear idea abt matching and see its > not a> > Soft ware job .It needs a good calibre jyothishi and who learned a > good> > amnt of astro principles .> > >> > > regrds sunil nair> > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > Download prohibited? 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Guest guest Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 hare ramakrishna , dear kiran ji , yes ,now days this matchting become almost mechanical and some are depending on software or some on panchangas and no body has seen the time also changed than previous ages woman will silently suffer ,so can be take for granted . Rejju is ayurvedic thing and its contributing to progency problems ,but this days of one children ,i am not sure how far we must be strict and i dont know wheter its affecting coming generations . I remebr the storey when pt.jawaharlal nehrus chart and kamalas chart were anlaysed the pundits were of opinion that her 3 ( or more i dont know exactly ) generation will rule the country ( rememebr this prediction was given on pre independence period ) Still id ont know on what grounds or what combination may be showing that in chart ( i took this storey from sri K N Rao s article and writing from memory ) .But on other grounds their marriage was never we can cal a good marriage .But father of nehru who was very ambitious he considered Kamala nehru es proposal only and the rest is known to all . So these days all aspects get too much or more improtance . and we hav to see depends on the back ground of persons also . In kerala some area there is -what we calls gulf wifes as most of the men will be away in arabian gulf and working in normal jobs and they cannot take their wife along as income is less .So in this cases some separating influence like cannot or will not liv together can be relaxed .As the cream period of their life men will away and comes on vacation once in 2 or 3 years for few months . thats is why prashna maarga says astrologer shud be along with other qualities uha poha padu ( means well informed and able mix with prevailing conditions ) thanks for ur mail regrds sunil nair om shreem maha laxmai namah. , Kiran R <kiran.rama wrote:>> Dear sunilji,> > you are right..> > nowadays people are simply using the "how many points out of 36" analysis - > the 36 point distribution is also skewed with 8 points for nadi, 7 points for rasi, 6 for gana, 5 for grahamaitri, 4 for yoni, 3 for dina, 2 for vasya and 1 for varna. People can argue endlessly as to which to give more importance to Also rajju is very important in south but modern astrologers are not even considering rajju kuta. in south, people will refuse marriage if rajju does not match while in north they are not considering rajju at all in the 36 points> > as you said, one has to look at 7th, 8th most importantly and also look at 1st, 2nd, 4th and 12th - seeing everything in both horoscopes before arriving at decision. What you said about the dasas is very important - > > Sad to see so many people just opening panchanga and telling the points out of 36 (many cases it is wrong) and just seeing mars, saturn in 7th or 8th house and saying dosha!!> > Truly, this is the realm of the experienced astrologer > > Thanks> Kiran> > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > Hare ramakrishna,> dear kiran ji .> > Yes ur points are valid .But matchting means not simply nakshatra or rasi moon matchting or ashta koota matchting .> > or its not simply dosha samya matchting .> or simply dasa anaylsis> we hav to match one chart with other and weigh all pros and cons and see how each chart is capable to contribute each other and support and also see their mental /physical /material make up in chart ,same time we must see any type of tzunami yogas can operate to put any problems .> > so we hav to see 1)longitivity 2)children 3) prosperity 4) mental make up 5) individual choices 5) even intellectual frequency so on > > we cannot just do the matchting in mechanical way .Its i will say only the best among astrologers with real calibre and skill can do this job at their best .> > we otherwise speak from one by one lines as if blind man has seen elephant and says this is wrong and that is wrong is not correct .> > i hav charts with doshas not matched running may be more than 30 yrs in married life as extreme dosha period is yet to come .> > thanks for the post.> > > regrds sunil nair > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.> > > > , Kiran R kiran.rama@ wrote:> >> > Well said Panditji....> > > > samya will not work in all cases -> > Samya is usually done for 1, 2, 4, 7, 8, 12 houses for marriage - logic being 7th is spouse, 8th is sustenance of marriage, 4th is sukha, 2nd is kutumba, 12th is pleasure and 1st is native himself> > > > Suppose X has 2nd lord in dustana and malefic in 2nd house - he is going to have problems in earned wealth - if he marries another girl with 2nd lord in dustana/malefic in 2nd house - both will have "Daridrathana"> > > > > > I think it makes sense logically for a person who has a bad 2nd house to look to marry someone with good 2nd house so that it gets cancelled - and same logic to all houses as well> > > > > > Regarding doshas, mere presence of malefic in 1,2,4,7,8,12 houses does not cause papatwa - what if the house lord is in sustana? There can be benefic aspecting the house? the malefic planet dasa maybe over? the malefic maybe lord of two sustanas...etc> > > > So maybe a better idea to judge all the houses and come to conclusion> > > > panditarjun2004 panditarjun2004@ wrote: dear friends> > > > this mangal dosha is purportedly caused by merely mars finding a > > place in 1,2,4,7,8,12 houses (half of the houses) that too seen from > > lagna, moon and some say even from venus. some states in india do > > not reckon 2nd house and similarly some astrologers dont see mars in > > these houses from chandra and sukra to brand a native manglik.> > > > there are more than a dozen rules where this so called mangli yoga > > gets nullified through a mangli bhang yoga.> > > > no ancient classic has any yoga by this name and the genesis of this > > yoga lies in the individual narration of how mars gives results when > > placed in the houses 1,4,7,8,12. if any astrologer reads carefully > > the entire probable dispositions of mars in these houses in speicific > > relation to marriage, we find only 7,8,12 house placed mars giving > > some problems and not the other houses especially the vaidhavya yoga.> > > > logically kiranji's observation is valid that two wrongs cant make a > > right. a completely blind man marrying a completely blind woman does > > not remove their blindness and let them see the world. on a positive > > side, if the mars placement in a male chart suggests that the man is > > a womaniser, he would find good company in marrying a woman with > > similar yoga in her chart as both are broadminded!> > > > in all matrimonial websites and advertisements mangliks specifically > > search only for mangliks thinking that both are made for each other > > or both are best compatible to each other.> > > > the much hyped verse "lagne vyayecha patale jamitrech ashtame kuje, > > kanya bhartru vinashaya, bharta kanya vinashakrut" does not allow a > > manglik to marry another manglik as it is internecine for both.> > > > but two more verses appeared in modern astrology texts (not ancient, > > not even medieval) that says as follows:> > > > kuja doshvatri deya kuja doshavate kila:> > nadista dosho na chanista dampatyo sukhavardhana.> > > > this verse says that if one manglik marries another manglik, mangal > > does not do any evil and rather both enjoy love and happiness.> > > > bhauma tulyo yada bhauma, paapo va tadvasho bhavet> > udvaha subhada prokta chiraayu putra pautrada.> > > > this verse says that if a man's chart has a malefic mars and if the > > woman's chart has similar malefic mars or another malefic planet in > > equal proportion, marriage between both is auspicious.> > > > astrologers have been given so many choicest sholkas from books to > > first fix a native manglik, check the dozens of mangli bhanga yogas > > and then find another manglik and make the marriage between both > > auspicious.> > > > with best wishes and blessings> > pandit arjun> > www.rudraksharemedy.com> > > > , "Sreenadh" > > sreesog@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Kiran ji,> > > > I have observed that if both male and female horoscope has same > > dosha> > > (e.g: Kuja dosha),> > > > then it gets cancelled.> > > I doubt that statement about your 'observation'; rather it is a> > > logical 'belief'; Ask Sunil ji to clarify you will get a better > > picture.> > > I am not debating whether the results gets 'cancelled' or not - > > that the> > > people who experienced it having the same combination will clarify. > > > What I am stresssing is that, it is a logical 'belief'; rather than> > > something 'observed' by the people.> > > Hope this helps.> > > Love and regards,> > > Sreenadh> > > > > > , Kiran R> > > <kiran.rama@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Good post Sunilji,> > > >> > > > I have observed that if both male and female horoscope has same > > dosha> > > (e.g: Kuja dosha), then it gets cancelled. This is a mystery to me > > as if> > > both have dosha both must suffer and have bad life. How does dosha > > get> > > cancelled if it is present in both?> > > >> > > > Thanks> > > > Kiran> > > >> > > >> > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > >> > > > hare rama krishna ,> > > > dear grp and memebrs .> > > > This is my post long back published in another grp and now again > > many> > > requests happening in personal and grp mails i thought of re > > posting it> > > .> > > > actualy sreenadhji was discussing abt it some days back and i > > promised> > > him i will write and then do any modifications required;> > > > so here is my post> > > > ==============> > > > In kerala and what i know generaly in south india we start by> > > matchting the rasi in 10 ways like rasi,rasyaadhipa(they use > > differnet> > > than normal frndship concept),vasyam,ganam(nature like> > > godly,demonly),yoni(male /female),dinam,mahendra,stree> > > dergham(dooram),rejju and vedham these are 10 and giving each one > > mark> > > and see if there is more marks and still rejju (ayurvedic -vata> > > ,pitta,kapha-i think)and vedha a must> > > > or u can use ashta koota methods prevalent in north .> > > > Then we go for papa samya> > > > lagana(body),2nd(family and speech),4th house (family happiness > > and> > > sukha stan),7th house (house of marriage ) ,8th house (deergha > > mangala> > > stan and maraka place and house of money of partner) and 12 th > > house is> > > sayana sukha stan and house of expenditure------so there is 6 places> > > > we see any malifics are there in above said places from> > > LAGANA,MOON(MIND) AND VENUS (INDICATOR OF MARRIAGE LIFE),> > > > some people will giv equal weightage to lagna and moon (as > > considered> > > 2nd lagan) venus less weightage as some r of the opinion that the> > > papatwa to venus cannot be remedied as a man with loose morals and > > girl> > > with equaly loose morals can not make good couples, they see 4th > > and 8th> > > matching only,Only see if too much points venus is gaining esp in > > the> > > case of girl,it may boost immoral tendencies or deny normal family> > > happyness by giving separation or even illness--it depends on the> > > horoscope,> > > > papatwa is considered in decressing order 8/7/4/12/2/1.Most > > malefic is> > > mars(planet of aggression and sudden actions),then sani,then > > sun,rahu> > > finaly ketu,> > > > also giv some marks like mars-4/sani-3/sun-2/rah and ketu-1 also > > in> > > lagana-5/2nd house2/4th house-3,7th house-4/8th house-6/12th house 1> > > > Again this we hav to see exceptions ,own house debilataion ,means > > good> > > strenght can decrees the value and planet neecha or moudya(combust )> > > will get 100% value.Only aspect of benefics can reduce the effects > > and> > > malifics will surely increase the effects.> > > > Main consideration while analysing----> > > > 1) Papa grahas should b some what equal position or countering> > > position> > > > 2)If malefic is benefic from bhava concerned can giv reduction> > > > 3)if malefic is yoga karak again papatwa will be reduced> > > > 4)see major dasa of papas has passed and see their sub period and > > do> > > the assessments> > > > 5)If lady having widowhood in horoscope match with a person who > > has> > > two marriage or wife marana yaga( death of wife )> > > > 6)Main considerations shud b given to 7th and 8th position of > > malefics> > > > 7)Then in mans horo papa( malefics ) should b in 7th house> > > > 8)Even if in female horoscope papas( malefics) r in 7th and > > 8th,if a> > > strong benefic in 9th then it s solved automaticaly .> > > > AS---- navame shubha samyukte sapape aste ashtamepi va> > > > pathi putra yuta nari modate natra samsaya> > > > 9)see if papa graha dasas coming immediatly after marriage.> > > > 10)dasa santhi nirnayam> > > > see in both horoscopes same period dasa ends within 6 months to > > one> > > years ends .See next dasa is maraka, or papa or weak then those> > > horoscopes shud not b matched> > > > same period dasa of enemy of lagna lord is happening and see its> > > promise in the horoscope.> > > > same period dasa of mutualy enemys like sun in and sani in > > another or> > > rahu in one guru or venus and guru> > > > see the period of marakas in each horoscope and should not run> > > together at one time> > > > Also ones maraka dasa and anothers weak dasa of 7th lord or> > > karaka,like papayuta,papakartari,neecha etc should not happen at > > same> > > time.> > > > if malefics r in 8th house which can cause vaidhavya> > (widowhood),see> > > the 8th lord and see in whose house he attained in navamsa -in his> > > naisargika dasa can giv the effects.like moon within a year,mars > > within> > > two year sun 50years ,guru-18th years after marriage> > > > or it can giv in dasa of malefics in 8th house> > > > then santana chinta (progency) and prosperity and yoga chinta -> > like> > > this all kinds of stuff frm two horoscopes,longitivity should b> > > calculated firstly before matchting> > > > then i hav see an elaborate prashna whether there is > > daivaanukulyam> > > (wish of god ) for this union and see all kinds of nimittas and > > omens> > > > Now a days nimittas can happen only in villages and in towns its > > at> > > the discreation of astrologer to add or deduct according to his> > > experience and reasoning power .> > > > all good omens like bringings of perfumes,sandal and > > kumkum,somebody> > > is bringing mangal sutra,gold or new dress,married ladies or couples> > > coming,seeing of astamangala materials,some come singing,mangala > > dwani> > > like sankh(conch),bells ringing,cows coming,elephant,royals,horses > > all> > > are considerd good.> > > > some nimittas are bad which needs special attention> > > > seeing somebody puts his finger in some hole or in nose /seeing > > some> > > animals/birds mating --suddenly jyothishi can say not reccommended > > for> > > matching.(actualy i find all this depends on upasana balam ( > > spiritual> > > power ) of jyothishi)> > > >> > > > I hope it can giv some what clear idea abt matching and see its > > not a> > > Soft ware job .It needs a good calibre jyothishi and who learned a > > good> > > amnt of astro principles .> > > >> > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > Download prohibited? 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Guest guest Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 dear kiranji astrology in olden days even with all these 1001 principles and exceptions used to be a simple job for the traditionally learnt people but with the computer revolution making a hundred page comprehensive astro analysis at the click of a button and each page giving an ambivalent view, the native gets confused with the conflicting reports from each section. the astrologer has to spend lot of time in seeing, checking, overseeing all areas and then come to a cohesive conclusion. if a native has an exalted benefic planet in su or swasthana with no negative affliction and his mahadasa is running, the native shall get good results but if sadesathi is running, the native does not enjoy the good results and rather witness some negative results. once i could not find any reason for the various sufferings of the native and then i asked him to check whether his brother has mars in the 8th house and then he confirmed it. so sometimes even just checking the individual chart is not sufficient as other charts too have vicarious impact. regarding the mangal dosha, the mail i wrote was only for theoretical knowledge of the members as to how the hype was made out of it. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun , Kiran R <kiran.rama wrote: > > Well said Panditji.... > > samya will not work in all cases - > Samya is usually done for 1, 2, 4, 7, 8, 12 houses for marriage - logic being 7th is spouse, 8th is sustenance of marriage, 4th is sukha, 2nd is kutumba, 12th is pleasure and 1st is native himself > > Suppose X has 2nd lord in dustana and malefic in 2nd house - he is going to have problems in earned wealth - if he marries another girl with 2nd lord in dustana/malefic in 2nd house - both will have " Daridrathana " > > > I think it makes sense logically for a person who has a bad 2nd house to look to marry someone with good 2nd house so that it gets cancelled - and same logic to all houses as well > > > Regarding doshas, mere presence of malefic in 1,2,4,7,8,12 houses does not cause papatwa - what if the house lord is in sustana? There can be benefic aspecting the house? the malefic planet dasa maybe over? the malefic maybe lord of two sustanas...etc > > So maybe a better idea to judge all the houses and come to conclusion > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote: dear friends > > this mangal dosha is purportedly caused by merely mars finding a > place in 1,2,4,7,8,12 houses (half of the houses) that too seen from > lagna, moon and some say even from venus. some states in india do > not reckon 2nd house and similarly some astrologers dont see mars in > these houses from chandra and sukra to brand a native manglik. > > there are more than a dozen rules where this so called mangli yoga > gets nullified through a mangli bhang yoga. > > no ancient classic has any yoga by this name and the genesis of this > yoga lies in the individual narration of how mars gives results when > placed in the houses 1,4,7,8,12. if any astrologer reads carefully > the entire probable dispositions of mars in these houses in speicific > relation to marriage, we find only 7,8,12 house placed mars giving > some problems and not the other houses especially the vaidhavya yoga. > > logically kiranji's observation is valid that two wrongs cant make a > right. a completely blind man marrying a completely blind woman does > not remove their blindness and let them see the world. on a positive > side, if the mars placement in a male chart suggests that the man is > a womaniser, he would find good company in marrying a woman with > similar yoga in her chart as both are broadminded! > > in all matrimonial websites and advertisements mangliks specifically > search only for mangliks thinking that both are made for each other > or both are best compatible to each other. > > the much hyped verse " lagne vyayecha patale jamitrech ashtame kuje, > kanya bhartru vinashaya, bharta kanya vinashakrut " does not allow a > manglik to marry another manglik as it is internecine for both. > > but two more verses appeared in modern astrology texts (not ancient, > not even medieval) that says as follows: > > kuja doshvatri deya kuja doshavate kila: > nadista dosho na chanista dampatyo sukhavardhana. > > this verse says that if one manglik marries another manglik, mangal > does not do any evil and rather both enjoy love and happiness. > > bhauma tulyo yada bhauma, paapo va tadvasho bhavet > udvaha subhada prokta chiraayu putra pautrada. > > this verse says that if a man's chart has a malefic mars and if the > woman's chart has similar malefic mars or another malefic planet in > equal proportion, marriage between both is auspicious. > > astrologers have been given so many choicest sholkas from books to > first fix a native manglik, check the dozens of mangli bhanga yogas > and then find another manglik and make the marriage between both > auspicious. > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > , " Sreenadh " > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > Dear Kiran ji, > > > I have observed that if both male and female horoscope has same > dosha > > (e.g: Kuja dosha), > > > then it gets cancelled. > > I doubt that statement about your 'observation'; rather it is a > > logical 'belief'; Ask Sunil ji to clarify you will get a better > picture. > > I am not debating whether the results gets 'cancelled' or not - > that the > > people who experienced it having the same combination will clarify. > > What I am stresssing is that, it is a logical 'belief'; rather than > > something 'observed' by the people. > > Hope this helps. > > Love and regards, > > Sreenadh > > > > , Kiran R > > <kiran.rama@> wrote: > > > > > > Good post Sunilji, > > > > > > I have observed that if both male and female horoscope has same > dosha > > (e.g: Kuja dosha), then it gets cancelled. This is a mystery to me > as if > > both have dosha both must suffer and have bad life. How does dosha > get > > cancelled if it is present in both? > > > > > > Thanks > > > Kiran > > > > > > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > hare rama krishna , > > > dear grp and memebrs . > > > This is my post long back published in another grp and now again > many > > requests happening in personal and grp mails i thought of re > posting it > > . > > > actualy sreenadhji was discussing abt it some days back and i > promised > > him i will write and then do any modifications required; > > > so here is my post > > > ============== > > > In kerala and what i know generaly in south india we start by > > matchting the rasi in 10 ways like rasi,rasyaadhipa(they use > differnet > > than normal frndship concept),vasyam,ganam(nature like > > godly,demonly),yoni(male /female),dinam,mahendra,stree > > dergham(dooram),rejju and vedham these are 10 and giving each one > mark > > and see if there is more marks and still rejju (ayurvedic -vata > > ,pitta,kapha-i think)and vedha a must > > > or u can use ashta koota methods prevalent in north . > > > Then we go for papa samya > > > lagana(body),2nd(family and speech),4th house (family happiness > and > > sukha stan),7th house (house of marriage ) ,8th house (deergha > mangala > > stan and maraka place and house of money of partner) and 12 th > house is > > sayana sukha stan and house of expenditure------so there is 6 places > > > we see any malifics are there in above said places from > > LAGANA,MOON(MIND) AND VENUS (INDICATOR OF MARRIAGE LIFE), > > > some people will giv equal weightage to lagna and moon (as > considered > > 2nd lagan) venus less weightage as some r of the opinion that the > > papatwa to venus cannot be remedied as a man with loose morals and > girl > > with equaly loose morals can not make good couples, they see 4th > and 8th > > matching only,Only see if too much points venus is gaining esp in > the > > case of girl,it may boost immoral tendencies or deny normal family > > happyness by giving separation or even illness--it depends on the > > horoscope, > > > papatwa is considered in decressing order 8/7/4/12/2/1.Most > malefic is > > mars(planet of aggression and sudden actions),then sani,then > sun,rahu > > finaly ketu, > > > also giv some marks like mars-4/sani-3/sun-2/rah and ketu-1 also > in > > lagana-5/2nd house2/4th house-3,7th house-4/8th house-6/12th house 1 > > > Again this we hav to see exceptions ,own house debilataion ,means > good > > strenght can decrees the value and planet neecha or moudya (combust ) > > will get 100% value.Only aspect of benefics can reduce the effects > and > > malifics will surely increase the effects. > > > Main consideration while analysing---- > > > 1) Papa grahas should b some what equal position or countering > > position > > > 2)If malefic is benefic from bhava concerned can giv reduction > > > 3)if malefic is yoga karak again papatwa will be reduced > > > 4)see major dasa of papas has passed and see their sub period and > do > > the assessments > > > 5)If lady having widowhood in horoscope match with a person who > has > > two marriage or wife marana yaga( death of wife ) > > > 6)Main considerations shud b given to 7th and 8th position of > malefics > > > 7)Then in mans horo papa( malefics ) should b in 7th house > > > 8)Even if in female horoscope papas( malefics) r in 7th and > 8th,if a > > strong benefic in 9th then it s solved automaticaly . > > > AS---- navame shubha samyukte sapape aste ashtamepi va > > > pathi putra yuta nari modate natra samsaya > > > 9)see if papa graha dasas coming immediatly after marriage. > > > 10)dasa santhi nirnayam > > > see in both horoscopes same period dasa ends within 6 months to > one > > years ends .See next dasa is maraka, or papa or weak then those > > horoscopes shud not b matched > > > same period dasa of enemy of lagna lord is happening and see its > > promise in the horoscope. > > > same period dasa of mutualy enemys like sun in and sani in > another or > > rahu in one guru or venus and guru > > > see the period of marakas in each horoscope and should not run > > together at one time > > > Also ones maraka dasa and anothers weak dasa of 7th lord or > > karaka,like papayuta,papakartari,neecha etc should not happen at > same > > time. > > > if malefics r in 8th house which can cause vaidhavya > (widowhood),see > > the 8th lord and see in whose house he attained in navamsa -in his > > naisargika dasa can giv the effects.like moon within a year,mars > within > > two year sun 50years ,guru-18th years after marriage > > > or it can giv in dasa of malefics in 8th house > > > then santana chinta (progency) and prosperity and yoga chinta - > like > > this all kinds of stuff frm two horoscopes,longitivity should b > > calculated firstly before matchting > > > then i hav see an elaborate prashna whether there is > daivaanukulyam > > (wish of god ) for this union and see all kinds of nimittas and > omens > > > Now a days nimittas can happen only in villages and in towns its > at > > the discreation of astrologer to add or deduct according to his > > experience and reasoning power . > > > all good omens like bringings of perfumes,sandal and > kumkum,somebody > > is bringing mangal sutra,gold or new dress,married ladies or couples > > coming,seeing of astamangala materials,some come singing,mangala > dwani > > like sankh(conch),bells ringing,cows coming,elephant,royals,horses > all > > are considerd good. > > > some nimittas are bad which needs special attention > > > seeing somebody puts his finger in some hole or in nose /seeing > some > > animals/birds mating --suddenly jyothishi can say not reccommended > for > > matching.(actualy i find all this depends on upasana balam ( > spiritual > > power ) of jyothishi) > > > > > > I hope it can giv some what clear idea abt matching and see its > not a > > Soft ware job .It needs a good calibre jyothishi and who learned a > good > > amnt of astro principles . > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Download prohibited? 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Guest guest Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 Dear Kiran ji, The first step is to understand - what does the word 'Samya' means? Please check the message : /message/7351==>> I think it makes sense logically for a person who has a bad 2nd house to look to marry > someone with good 2nd house so that it gets cancelled - and same logic to all houses as well<== Good thought - and that is what many acharyas too tought. But anyway note also that the opposing school of thought also has a point. And the situation demands that, we should ensure which thought stream matches more with the actual results. :=) Actually any theory should "Match" with experience and then only it is useful. :)Love and regards,Sreenadh , Kiran R <kiran.rama wrote:>> Well said Panditji....> > samya will not work in all cases -> Samya is usually done for 1, 2, 4, 7, 8, 12 houses for marriage - logic being 7th is spouse, 8th is sustenance of marriage, 4th is sukha, 2nd is kutumba, 12th is pleasure and 1st is native himself> > Suppose X has 2nd lord in dustana and malefic in 2nd house - he is going to have problems in earned wealth - if he marries another girl with 2nd lord in dustana/malefic in 2nd house - both will have "Daridrathana"> > > I think it makes sense logically for a person who has a bad 2nd house to look to marry someone with good 2nd house so that it gets cancelled - and same logic to all houses as well> > > Regarding doshas, mere presence of malefic in 1,2,4,7,8,12 houses does not cause papatwa - what if the house lord is in sustana? There can be benefic aspecting the house? the malefic planet dasa maybe over? the malefic maybe lord of two sustanas...etc> > So maybe a better idea to judge all the houses and come to conclusion> > panditarjun2004 panditarjun2004 wrote: dear friends> > this mangal dosha is purportedly caused by merely mars finding a > place in 1,2,4,7,8,12 houses (half of the houses) that too seen from > lagna, moon and some say even from venus. some states in india do > not reckon 2nd house and similarly some astrologers dont see mars in > these houses from chandra and sukra to brand a native manglik.> > there are more than a dozen rules where this so called mangli yoga > gets nullified through a mangli bhang yoga.> > no ancient classic has any yoga by this name and the genesis of this > yoga lies in the individual narration of how mars gives results when > placed in the houses 1,4,7,8,12. if any astrologer reads carefully > the entire probable dispositions of mars in these houses in speicific > relation to marriage, we find only 7,8,12 house placed mars giving > some problems and not the other houses especially the vaidhavya yoga.> > logically kiranji's observation is valid that two wrongs cant make a > right. a completely blind man marrying a completely blind woman does > not remove their blindness and let them see the world. on a positive > side, if the mars placement in a male chart suggests that the man is > a womaniser, he would find good company in marrying a woman with > similar yoga in her chart as both are broadminded!> > in all matrimonial websites and advertisements mangliks specifically > search only for mangliks thinking that both are made for each other > or both are best compatible to each other.> > the much hyped verse "lagne vyayecha patale jamitrech ashtame kuje, > kanya bhartru vinashaya, bharta kanya vinashakrut" does not allow a > manglik to marry another manglik as it is internecine for both.> > but two more verses appeared in modern astrology texts (not ancient, > not even medieval) that says as follows:> > kuja doshvatri deya kuja doshavate kila:> nadista dosho na chanista dampatyo sukhavardhana.> > this verse says that if one manglik marries another manglik, mangal > does not do any evil and rather both enjoy love and happiness.> > bhauma tulyo yada bhauma, paapo va tadvasho bhavet> udvaha subhada prokta chiraayu putra pautrada.> > this verse says that if a man's chart has a malefic mars and if the > woman's chart has similar malefic mars or another malefic planet in > equal proportion, marriage between both is auspicious.> > astrologers have been given so many choicest sholkas from books to > first fix a native manglik, check the dozens of mangli bhanga yogas > and then find another manglik and make the marriage between both > auspicious.> > with best wishes and blessings> pandit arjun> www.rudraksharemedy.com> > , "Sreenadh" > sreesog@ wrote:> >> > Dear Kiran ji,> > > I have observed that if both male and female horoscope has same > dosha> > (e.g: Kuja dosha),> > > then it gets cancelled.> > I doubt that statement about your 'observation'; rather it is a> > logical 'belief'; Ask Sunil ji to clarify you will get a better > picture.> > I am not debating whether the results gets 'cancelled' or not - > that the> > people who experienced it having the same combination will clarify. > > What I am stresssing is that, it is a logical 'belief'; rather than> > something 'observed' by the people.> > Hope this helps.> > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> > > > , Kiran R> > <kiran.rama@> wrote:> > >> > > Good post Sunilji,> > >> > > I have observed that if both male and female horoscope has same > dosha> > (e.g: Kuja dosha), then it gets cancelled. This is a mystery to me > as if> > both have dosha both must suffer and have bad life. How does dosha > get> > cancelled if it is present in both?> > >> > > Thanks> > > Kiran> > >> > >> > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > >> > > hare rama krishna ,> > > dear grp and memebrs .> > > This is my post long back published in another grp and now again > many> > requests happening in personal and grp mails i thought of re > posting it> > .> > > actualy sreenadhji was discussing abt it some days back and i > promised> > him i will write and then do any modifications required;> > > so here is my post> > > ==============> > > In kerala and what i know generaly in south india we start by> > matchting the rasi in 10 ways like rasi,rasyaadhipa(they use > differnet> > than normal frndship concept),vasyam,ganam(nature like> > godly,demonly),yoni(male /female),dinam,mahendra,stree> > dergham(dooram),rejju and vedham these are 10 and giving each one > mark> > and see if there is more marks and still rejju (ayurvedic -vata> > ,pitta,kapha-i think)and vedha a must> > > or u can use ashta koota methods prevalent in north .> > > Then we go for papa samya> > > lagana(body),2nd(family and speech),4th house (family happiness > and> > sukha stan),7th house (house of marriage ) ,8th house (deergha > mangala> > stan and maraka place and house of money of partner) and 12 th > house is> > sayana sukha stan and house of expenditure------so there is 6 places> > > we see any malifics are there in above said places from> > LAGANA,MOON(MIND) AND VENUS (INDICATOR OF MARRIAGE LIFE),> > > some people will giv equal weightage to lagna and moon (as > considered> > 2nd lagan) venus less weightage as some r of the opinion that the> > papatwa to venus cannot be remedied as a man with loose morals and > girl> > with equaly loose morals can not make good couples, they see 4th > and 8th> > matching only,Only see if too much points venus is gaining esp in > the> > case of girl,it may boost immoral tendencies or deny normal family> > happyness by giving separation or even illness--it depends on the> > horoscope,> > > papatwa is considered in decressing order 8/7/4/12/2/1.Most > malefic is> > mars(planet of aggression and sudden actions),then sani,then > sun,rahu> > finaly ketu,> > > also giv some marks like mars-4/sani-3/sun-2/rah and ketu-1 also > in> > lagana-5/2nd house2/4th house-3,7th house-4/8th house-6/12th house 1> > > Again this we hav to see exceptions ,own house debilataion ,means > good> > strenght can decrees the value and planet neecha or moudya(combust )> > will get 100% value.Only aspect of benefics can reduce the effects > and> > malifics will surely increase the effects.> > > Main consideration while analysing----> > > 1) Papa grahas should b some what equal position or countering> > position> > > 2)If malefic is benefic from bhava concerned can giv reduction> > > 3)if malefic is yoga karak again papatwa will be reduced> > > 4)see major dasa of papas has passed and see their sub period and > do> > the assessments> > > 5)If lady having widowhood in horoscope match with a person who > has> > two marriage or wife marana yaga( death of wife )> > > 6)Main considerations shud b given to 7th and 8th position of > malefics> > > 7)Then in mans horo papa( malefics ) should b in 7th house> > > 8)Even if in female horoscope papas( malefics) r in 7th and > 8th,if a> > strong benefic in 9th then it s solved automaticaly .> > > AS---- navame shubha samyukte sapape aste ashtamepi va> > > pathi putra yuta nari modate natra samsaya> > > 9)see if papa graha dasas coming immediatly after marriage.> > > 10)dasa santhi nirnayam> > > see in both horoscopes same period dasa ends within 6 months to > one> > years ends .See next dasa is maraka, or papa or weak then those> > horoscopes shud not b matched> > > same period dasa of enemy of lagna lord is happening and see its> > promise in the horoscope.> > > same period dasa of mutualy enemys like sun in and sani in > another or> > rahu in one guru or venus and guru> > > see the period of marakas in each horoscope and should not run> > together at one time> > > Also ones maraka dasa and anothers weak dasa of 7th lord or> > karaka,like papayuta,papakartari,neecha etc should not happen at > same> > time.> > > if malefics r in 8th house which can cause vaidhavya> (widowhood),see> > the 8th lord and see in whose house he attained in navamsa -in his> > naisargika dasa can giv the effects.like moon within a year,mars > within> > two year sun 50years ,guru-18th years after marriage> > > or it can giv in dasa of malefics in 8th house> > > then santana chinta (progency) and prosperity and yoga chinta -> like> > this all kinds of stuff frm two horoscopes,longitivity should b> > calculated firstly before matchting> > > then i hav see an elaborate prashna whether there is > daivaanukulyam> > (wish of god ) for this union and see all kinds of nimittas and > omens> > > Now a days nimittas can happen only in villages and in towns its > at> > the discreation of astrologer to add or deduct according to his> > experience and reasoning power .> > > all good omens like bringings of perfumes,sandal and > kumkum,somebody> > is bringing mangal sutra,gold or new dress,married ladies or couples> > coming,seeing of astamangala materials,some come singing,mangala > dwani> > like sankh(conch),bells ringing,cows coming,elephant,royals,horses > all> > are considerd good.> > > some nimittas are bad which needs special attention> > > seeing somebody puts his finger in some hole or in nose /seeing > some> > animals/birds mating --suddenly jyothishi can say not reccommended > for> > matching.(actualy i find all this depends on upasana balam ( > spiritual> > power ) of jyothishi)> > >> > > I hope it can giv some what clear idea abt matching and see its > not a> > Soft ware job .It needs a good calibre jyothishi and who learned a > good> > amnt of astro principles .> > >> > > regrds sunil nair> > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > Download prohibited? 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Guest guest Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 Dear Sunil ji,> we cannot just do the matchting in mechanical way. It is the machanical way of chart matching done the ignorant beginners without even basic common sense; and the lack of importance given by parents even to such skilled job that demands a well learned astrologer that caused all the touble of mis-interpretation and much trouble. My opinian would be - * If people want to do chart matching they should opt for the best astrologer and do it in the best possible way. * If people can't do this, they should better not go for useless machanical maching exersises - which usually does not serve much purpose. Love and regards,Sreenadh , "sunil nair" <astro_tellerkerala wrote:> > Hare ramakrishna,> > dear kiran ji .> > Yes ur points are valid .But matchting means not simply nakshatra or> rasi moon matchting or ashta koota matchting .> > or its not simply dosha samya matchting .> > or simply dasa anaylsis> > we hav to match one chart with other and weigh all pros and cons and> see how each chart is capable to contribute each other and support and> also see their mental /physical /material make up in chart ,same time we> must see any type of tzunami yogas can operate to put any problems .> > so we hav to see 1)longitivity 2)children 3) prosperity 4) mental make> up 5) individual choices 5) even intellectual frequency so on> > we cannot just do the matchting in mechanical way .Its i will say only> the best among astrologers with real calibre and skill can do this job> at their best .> > we otherwise speak from one by one lines as if blind man has seen> elephant and says this is wrong and that is wrong is not correct .> > i hav charts with doshas not matched running may be more than 30 yrs in> married life as extreme dosha period is yet to come .> > thanks for the post.> > regrds sunil nair> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.> > > > > > > , Kiran R> kiran.rama@ wrote:> >> > Well said Panditji....> >> > samya will not work in all cases -> > Samya is usually done for 1, 2, 4, 7, 8, 12 houses for marriage -> logic being 7th is spouse, 8th is sustenance of marriage, 4th is sukha,> 2nd is kutumba, 12th is pleasure and 1st is native himself> >> > Suppose X has 2nd lord in dustana and malefic in 2nd house - he is> going to have problems in earned wealth - if he marries another girl> with 2nd lord in dustana/malefic in 2nd house - both will have> "Daridrathana"> >> >> > I think it makes sense logically for a person who has a bad 2nd house> to look to marry someone with good 2nd house so that it gets cancelled -> and same logic to all houses as well> >> >> > Regarding doshas, mere presence of malefic in 1,2,4,7,8,12 houses does> not cause papatwa - what if the house lord is in sustana? There can be> benefic aspecting the house? the malefic planet dasa maybe over? the> malefic maybe lord of two sustanas...etc> >> > So maybe a better idea to judge all the houses and come to conclusion> >> > panditarjun2004 panditarjun2004@ wrote: dear friends> >> > this mangal dosha is purportedly caused by merely mars finding a> > place in 1,2,4,7,8,12 houses (half of the houses) that too seen from> > lagna, moon and some say even from venus. some states in india do> > not reckon 2nd house and similarly some astrologers dont see mars in> > these houses from chandra and sukra to brand a native manglik.> >> > there are more than a dozen rules where this so called mangli yoga> > gets nullified through a mangli bhang yoga.> >> > no ancient classic has any yoga by this name and the genesis of this> > yoga lies in the individual narration of how mars gives results when> > placed in the houses 1,4,7,8,12. if any astrologer reads carefully> > the entire probable dispositions of mars in these houses in speicific> > relation to marriage, we find only 7,8,12 house placed mars giving> > some problems and not the other houses especially the vaidhavya yoga.> >> > logically kiranji's observation is valid that two wrongs cant make a> > right. a completely blind man marrying a completely blind woman does> > not remove their blindness and let them see the world. on a positive> > side, if the mars placement in a male chart suggests that the man is> > a womaniser, he would find good company in marrying a woman with> > similar yoga in her chart as both are broadminded!> >> > in all matrimonial websites and advertisements mangliks specifically> > search only for mangliks thinking that both are made for each other> > or both are best compatible to each other.> >> > the much hyped verse "lagne vyayecha patale jamitrech ashtame kuje,> > kanya bhartru vinashaya, bharta kanya vinashakrut" does not allow a> > manglik to marry another manglik as it is internecine for both.> >> > but two more verses appeared in modern astrology texts (not ancient,> > not even medieval) that says as follows:> >> > kuja doshvatri deya kuja doshavate kila:> > nadista dosho na chanista dampatyo sukhavardhana.> >> > this verse says that if one manglik marries another manglik, mangal> > does not do any evil and rather both enjoy love and happiness.> >> > bhauma tulyo yada bhauma, paapo va tadvasho bhavet> > udvaha subhada prokta chiraayu putra pautrada.> >> > this verse says that if a man's chart has a malefic mars and if the> > woman's chart has similar malefic mars or another malefic planet in> > equal proportion, marriage between both is auspicious.> >> > astrologers have been given so many choicest sholkas from books to> > first fix a native manglik, check the dozens of mangli bhanga yogas> > and then find another manglik and make the marriage between both> > auspicious.> >> > with best wishes and blessings> > pandit arjun> > www.rudraksharemedy.com> >> > , "Sreenadh"> > sreesog@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Kiran ji,> > > > I have observed that if both male and female horoscope has same> > dosha> > > (e.g: Kuja dosha),> > > > then it gets cancelled.> > > I doubt that statement about your 'observation'; rather it is a> > > logical 'belief'; Ask Sunil ji to clarify you will get a better> > picture.> > > I am not debating whether the results gets 'cancelled' or not -> > that the> > > people who experienced it having the same combination will clarify.> > > What I am stresssing is that, it is a logical 'belief'; rather than> > > something 'observed' by the people.> > > Hope this helps.> > > Love and regards,> > > Sreenadh> > >> > > , Kiran R> > > <kiran.rama@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Good post Sunilji,> > > >> > > > I have observed that if both male and female horoscope has same> > dosha> > > (e.g: Kuja dosha), then it gets cancelled. This is a mystery to me> > as if> > > both have dosha both must suffer and have bad life. How does dosha> > get> > > cancelled if it is present in both?> > > >> > > > Thanks> > > > Kiran> > > >> > > >> > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > >> > > > hare rama krishna ,> > > > dear grp and memebrs .> > > > This is my post long back published in another grp and now again> > many> > > requests happening in personal and grp mails i thought of re> > posting it> > > .> > > > actualy sreenadhji was discussing abt it some days back and i> > promised> > > him i will write and then do any modifications required;> > > > so here is my post> > > > ==============> > > > In kerala and what i know generaly in south india we start by> > > matchting the rasi in 10 ways like rasi,rasyaadhipa(they use> > differnet> > > than normal frndship concept),vasyam,ganam(nature like> > > godly,demonly),yoni(male /female),dinam,mahendra,stree> > > dergham(dooram),rejju and vedham these are 10 and giving each one> > mark> > > and see if there is more marks and still rejju (ayurvedic -vata> > > ,pitta,kapha-i think)and vedha a must> > > > or u can use ashta koota methods prevalent in north .> > > > Then we go for papa samya> > > > lagana(body),2nd(family and speech),4th house (family happiness> > and> > > sukha stan),7th house (house of marriage ) ,8th house (deergha> > mangala> > > stan and maraka place and house of money of partner) and 12 th> > house is> > > sayana sukha stan and house of expenditure------so there is 6 places> > > > we see any malifics are there in above said places from> > > LAGANA,MOON(MIND) AND VENUS (INDICATOR OF MARRIAGE LIFE),> > > > some people will giv equal weightage to lagna and moon (as> > considered> > > 2nd lagan) venus less weightage as some r of the opinion that the> > > papatwa to venus cannot be remedied as a man with loose morals and> > girl> > > with equaly loose morals can not make good couples, they see 4th> > and 8th> > > matching only,Only see if too much points venus is gaining esp in> > the> > > case of girl,it may boost immoral tendencies or deny normal family> > > happyness by giving separation or even illness--it depends on the> > > horoscope,> > > > papatwa is considered in decressing order 8/7/4/12/2/1.Most> > malefic is> > > mars(planet of aggression and sudden actions),then sani,then> > sun,rahu> > > finaly ketu,> > > > also giv some marks like mars-4/sani-3/sun-2/rah and ketu-1 also> > in> > > lagana-5/2nd house2/4th house-3,7th house-4/8th house-6/12th house 1> > > > Again this we hav to see exceptions ,own house debilataion ,means> > good> > > strenght can decrees the value and planet neecha or moudya(combust )> > > will get 100% value.Only aspect of benefics can reduce the effects> > and> > > malifics will surely increase the effects.> > > > Main consideration while analysing----> > > > 1) Papa grahas should b some what equal position or countering> > > position> > > > 2)If malefic is benefic from bhava concerned can giv reduction> > > > 3)if malefic is yoga karak again papatwa will be reduced> > > > 4)see major dasa of papas has passed and see their sub period and> > do> > > the assessments> > > > 5)If lady having widowhood in horoscope match with a person who> > has> > > two marriage or wife marana yaga( death of wife )> > > > 6)Main considerations shud b given to 7th and 8th position of> > malefics> > > > 7)Then in mans horo papa( malefics ) should b in 7th house> > > > 8)Even if in female horoscope papas( malefics) r in 7th and> > 8th,if a> > > strong benefic in 9th then it s solved automaticaly .> > > > AS---- navame shubha samyukte sapape aste ashtamepi va> > > > pathi putra yuta nari modate natra samsaya> > > > 9)see if papa graha dasas coming immediatly after marriage.> > > > 10)dasa santhi nirnayam> > > > see in both horoscopes same period dasa ends within 6 months to> > one> > > years ends .See next dasa is maraka, or papa or weak then those> > > horoscopes shud not b matched> > > > same period dasa of enemy of lagna lord is happening and see its> > > promise in the horoscope.> > > > same period dasa of mutualy enemys like sun in and sani in> > another or> > > rahu in one guru or venus and guru> > > > see the period of marakas in each horoscope and should not run> > > together at one time> > > > Also ones maraka dasa and anothers weak dasa of 7th lord or> > > karaka,like papayuta,papakartari,neecha etc should not happen at> > same> > > time.> > > > if malefics r in 8th house which can cause vaidhavya> > (widowhood),see> > > the 8th lord and see in whose house he attained in navamsa -in his> > > naisargika dasa can giv the effects.like moon within a year,mars> > within> > > two year sun 50years ,guru-18th years after marriage> > > > or it can giv in dasa of malefics in 8th house> > > > then santana chinta (progency) and prosperity and yoga chinta -> > like> > > this all kinds of stuff frm two horoscopes,longitivity should b> > > calculated firstly before matchting> > > > then i hav see an elaborate prashna whether there is> > daivaanukulyam> > > (wish of god ) for this union and see all kinds of nimittas and> > omens> > > > Now a days nimittas can happen only in villages and in towns its> > at> > > the discreation of astrologer to add or deduct according to his> > > experience and reasoning power .> > > > all good omens like bringings of perfumes,sandal and> > kumkum,somebody> > > is bringing mangal sutra,gold or new dress,married ladies or couples> > > coming,seeing of astamangala materials,some come singing,mangala> > dwani> > > like sankh(conch),bells ringing,cows coming,elephant,royals,horses> > all> > > are considerd good.> > > > some nimittas are bad which needs special attention> > > > seeing somebody puts his finger in some hole or in nose /seeing> > some> > > animals/birds mating --suddenly jyothishi can say not reccommended> > for> > > matching.(actualy i find all this depends on upasana balam (> > spiritual> > > power ) of jyothishi)> > > >> > > > I hope it can giv some what clear idea abt matching and see its> > not a> > > Soft ware job .It needs a good calibre jyothishi and who learned a> > good> > > amnt of astro principles .> > > >> > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > Download prohibited? 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Guest guest Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 Dear Kiran ji, You are right. ==>> Sad to see so many people just opening panchanga and telling the points out of 36 (many > cases it is wrong) and just seeing mars, saturn in 7th or 8th house and saying dosha!!<== I don't know when people make too much noise about Dosha, why I remember Dosha - the south Indian dish like the Iddly.. :=) May be because these too much dosha people are making bread for there own use by making the 'clients' worried... :=) Of course no people enjoy complete happiness in life and sadness and bitter experiences are genuine and good and genuine astrologers helps much in locating the problem periods and thus helping to plan for possible solutions in advance. But in most places what we see is, the half baked knowledge winning bread. Remember the Ruchaka yoga providing exalted Mars in 7th and Sasa yoga providing exalted Saturn in 7th making the lovely girl cry without reason, causing delayed marriage and trouble in getting married - CAUSED BY marriage distorting astrologers!! Of course I am in favor of war against such distortions to good astrology; but note that all these does not mean that a natural malefic or even a natural benefic indicating bad results will not provide those results if supprted by Dasa as well - they will materialize for sure. The point I want to make is - good and benefical astrology should be appreciated but with equal sprit half baked knowledge combined with money making cheat's mind should be dicarded and kept at distance. It is such bad astrologers who are causing bad name even to this great knowledge branch called astrology. Note: But don't thik that I am in favor of the people without self respect who are sneeking around in search of a free reading. :)Love and regards,Sreenadh , Kiran R <kiran.rama wrote:>> Dear sunilji,> > you are right..> > nowadays people are simply using the "how many points out of 36" analysis - > the 36 point distribution is also skewed with 8 points for nadi, 7 points for rasi, 6 for gana, 5 for grahamaitri, 4 for yoni, 3 for dina, 2 for vasya and 1 for varna. People can argue endlessly as to which to give more importance to Also rajju is very important in south but modern astrologers are not even considering rajju kuta. in south, people will refuse marriage if rajju does not match while in north they are not considering rajju at all in the 36 points> > as you said, one has to look at 7th, 8th most importantly and also look at 1st, 2nd, 4th and 12th - seeing everything in both horoscopes before arriving at decision. What you said about the dasas is very important - > > Sad to see so many people just opening panchanga and telling the points out of 36 (many cases it is wrong) and just seeing mars, saturn in 7th or 8th house and saying dosha!!> > Truly, this is the realm of the experienced astrologer > > Thanks> Kiran> > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > Hare ramakrishna,> dear kiran ji .> > Yes ur points are valid .But matchting means not simply nakshatra or rasi moon matchting or ashta koota matchting .> > or its not simply dosha samya matchting .> or simply dasa anaylsis> we hav to match one chart with other and weigh all pros and cons and see how each chart is capable to contribute each other and support and also see their mental /physical /material make up in chart ,same time we must see any type of tzunami yogas can operate to put any problems .> > so we hav to see 1)longitivity 2)children 3) prosperity 4) mental make up 5) individual choices 5) even intellectual frequency so on > > we cannot just do the matchting in mechanical way .Its i will say only the best among astrologers with real calibre and skill can do this job at their best .> > we otherwise speak from one by one lines as if blind man has seen elephant and says this is wrong and that is wrong is not correct .> > i hav charts with doshas not matched running may be more than 30 yrs in married life as extreme dosha period is yet to come .> > thanks for the post.> > > regrds sunil nair > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.> > > > , Kiran R kiran.rama@ wrote:> >> > Well said Panditji....> > > > samya will not work in all cases -> > Samya is usually done for 1, 2, 4, 7, 8, 12 houses for marriage - logic being 7th is spouse, 8th is sustenance of marriage, 4th is sukha, 2nd is kutumba, 12th is pleasure and 1st is native himself> > > > Suppose X has 2nd lord in dustana and malefic in 2nd house - he is going to have problems in earned wealth - if he marries another girl with 2nd lord in dustana/malefic in 2nd house - both will have "Daridrathana"> > > > > > I think it makes sense logically for a person who has a bad 2nd house to look to marry someone with good 2nd house so that it gets cancelled - and same logic to all houses as well> > > > > > Regarding doshas, mere presence of malefic in 1,2,4,7,8,12 houses does not cause papatwa - what if the house lord is in sustana? There can be benefic aspecting the house? the malefic planet dasa maybe over? the malefic maybe lord of two sustanas...etc> > > > So maybe a better idea to judge all the houses and come to conclusion> > > > panditarjun2004 panditarjun2004@ wrote: dear friends> > > > this mangal dosha is purportedly caused by merely mars finding a > > place in 1,2,4,7,8,12 houses (half of the houses) that too seen from > > lagna, moon and some say even from venus. some states in india do > > not reckon 2nd house and similarly some astrologers dont see mars in > > these houses from chandra and sukra to brand a native manglik.> > > > there are more than a dozen rules where this so called mangli yoga > > gets nullified through a mangli bhang yoga.> > > > no ancient classic has any yoga by this name and the genesis of this > > yoga lies in the individual narration of how mars gives results when > > placed in the houses 1,4,7,8,12. if any astrologer reads carefully > > the entire probable dispositions of mars in these houses in speicific > > relation to marriage, we find only 7,8,12 house placed mars giving > > some problems and not the other houses especially the vaidhavya yoga.> > > > logically kiranji's observation is valid that two wrongs cant make a > > right. a completely blind man marrying a completely blind woman does > > not remove their blindness and let them see the world. on a positive > > side, if the mars placement in a male chart suggests that the man is > > a womaniser, he would find good company in marrying a woman with > > similar yoga in her chart as both are broadminded!> > > > in all matrimonial websites and advertisements mangliks specifically > > search only for mangliks thinking that both are made for each other > > or both are best compatible to each other.> > > > the much hyped verse "lagne vyayecha patale jamitrech ashtame kuje, > > kanya bhartru vinashaya, bharta kanya vinashakrut" does not allow a > > manglik to marry another manglik as it is internecine for both.> > > > but two more verses appeared in modern astrology texts (not ancient, > > not even medieval) that says as follows:> > > > kuja doshvatri deya kuja doshavate kila:> > nadista dosho na chanista dampatyo sukhavardhana.> > > > this verse says that if one manglik marries another manglik, mangal > > does not do any evil and rather both enjoy love and happiness.> > > > bhauma tulyo yada bhauma, paapo va tadvasho bhavet> > udvaha subhada prokta chiraayu putra pautrada.> > > > this verse says that if a man's chart has a malefic mars and if the > > woman's chart has similar malefic mars or another malefic planet in > > equal proportion, marriage between both is auspicious.> > > > astrologers have been given so many choicest sholkas from books to > > first fix a native manglik, check the dozens of mangli bhanga yogas > > and then find another manglik and make the marriage between both > > auspicious.> > > > with best wishes and blessings> > pandit arjun> > www.rudraksharemedy.com> > > > , "Sreenadh" > > sreesog@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Kiran ji,> > > > I have observed that if both male and female horoscope has same > > dosha> > > (e.g: Kuja dosha),> > > > then it gets cancelled.> > > I doubt that statement about your 'observation'; rather it is a> > > logical 'belief'; Ask Sunil ji to clarify you will get a better > > picture.> > > I am not debating whether the results gets 'cancelled' or not - > > that the> > > people who experienced it having the same combination will clarify. > > > What I am stresssing is that, it is a logical 'belief'; rather than> > > something 'observed' by the people.> > > Hope this helps.> > > Love and regards,> > > Sreenadh> > > > > > , Kiran R> > > <kiran.rama@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Good post Sunilji,> > > >> > > > I have observed that if both male and female horoscope has same > > dosha> > > (e.g: Kuja dosha), then it gets cancelled. This is a mystery to me > > as if> > > both have dosha both must suffer and have bad life. How does dosha > > get> > > cancelled if it is present in both?> > > >> > > > Thanks> > > > Kiran> > > >> > > >> > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > >> > > > hare rama krishna ,> > > > dear grp and memebrs .> > > > This is my post long back published in another grp and now again > > many> > > requests happening in personal and grp mails i thought of re > > posting it> > > .> > > > actualy sreenadhji was discussing abt it some days back and i > > promised> > > him i will write and then do any modifications required;> > > > so here is my post> > > > ==============> > > > In kerala and what i know generaly in south india we start by> > > matchting the rasi in 10 ways like rasi,rasyaadhipa(they use > > differnet> > > than normal frndship concept),vasyam,ganam(nature like> > > godly,demonly),yoni(male /female),dinam,mahendra,stree> > > dergham(dooram),rejju and vedham these are 10 and giving each one > > mark> > > and see if there is more marks and still rejju (ayurvedic -vata> > > ,pitta,kapha-i think)and vedha a must> > > > or u can use ashta koota methods prevalent in north .> > > > Then we go for papa samya> > > > lagana(body),2nd(family and speech),4th house (family happiness > > and> > > sukha stan),7th house (house of marriage ) ,8th house (deergha > > mangala> > > stan and maraka place and house of money of partner) and 12 th > > house is> > > sayana sukha stan and house of expenditure------so there is 6 places> > > > we see any malifics are there in above said places from> > > LAGANA,MOON(MIND) AND VENUS (INDICATOR OF MARRIAGE LIFE),> > > > some people will giv equal weightage to lagna and moon (as > > considered> > > 2nd lagan) venus less weightage as some r of the opinion that the> > > papatwa to venus cannot be remedied as a man with loose morals and > > girl> > > with equaly loose morals can not make good couples, they see 4th > > and 8th> > > matching only,Only see if too much points venus is gaining esp in > > the> > > case of girl,it may boost immoral tendencies or deny normal family> > > happyness by giving separation or even illness--it depends on the> > > horoscope,> > > > papatwa is considered in decressing order 8/7/4/12/2/1.Most > > malefic is> > > mars(planet of aggression and sudden actions),then sani,then > > sun,rahu> > > finaly ketu,> > > > also giv some marks like mars-4/sani-3/sun-2/rah and ketu-1 also > > in> > > lagana-5/2nd house2/4th house-3,7th house-4/8th house-6/12th house 1> > > > Again this we hav to see exceptions ,own house debilataion ,means > > good> > > strenght can decrees the value and planet neecha or moudya(combust )> > > will get 100% value.Only aspect of benefics can reduce the effects > > and> > > malifics will surely increase the effects.> > > > Main consideration while analysing----> > > > 1) Papa grahas should b some what equal position or countering> > > position> > > > 2)If malefic is benefic from bhava concerned can giv reduction> > > > 3)if malefic is yoga karak again papatwa will be reduced> > > > 4)see major dasa of papas has passed and see their sub period and > > do> > > the assessments> > > > 5)If lady having widowhood in horoscope match with a person who > > has> > > two marriage or wife marana yaga( death of wife )> > > > 6)Main considerations shud b given to 7th and 8th position of > > malefics> > > > 7)Then in mans horo papa( malefics ) should b in 7th house> > > > 8)Even if in female horoscope papas( malefics) r in 7th and > > 8th,if a> > > strong benefic in 9th then it s solved automaticaly .> > > > AS---- navame shubha samyukte sapape aste ashtamepi va> > > > pathi putra yuta nari modate natra samsaya> > > > 9)see if papa graha dasas coming immediatly after marriage.> > > > 10)dasa santhi nirnayam> > > > see in both horoscopes same period dasa ends within 6 months to > > one> > > years ends .See next dasa is maraka, or papa or weak then those> > > horoscopes shud not b matched> > > > same period dasa of enemy of lagna lord is happening and see its> > > promise in the horoscope.> > > > same period dasa of mutualy enemys like sun in and sani in > > another or> > > rahu in one guru or venus and guru> > > > see the period of marakas in each horoscope and should not run> > > together at one time> > > > Also ones maraka dasa and anothers weak dasa of 7th lord or> > > karaka,like papayuta,papakartari,neecha etc should not happen at > > same> > > time.> > > > if malefics r in 8th house which can cause vaidhavya> > (widowhood),see> > > the 8th lord and see in whose house he attained in navamsa -in his> > > naisargika dasa can giv the effects.like moon within a year,mars > > within> > > two year sun 50years ,guru-18th years after marriage> > > > or it can giv in dasa of malefics in 8th house> > > > then santana chinta (progency) and prosperity and yoga chinta -> > like> > > this all kinds of stuff frm two horoscopes,longitivity should b> > > calculated firstly before matchting> > > > then i hav see an elaborate prashna whether there is > > daivaanukulyam> > > (wish of god ) for this union and see all kinds of nimittas and > > omens> > > > Now a days nimittas can happen only in villages and in towns its > > at> > > the discreation of astrologer to add or deduct according to his> > > experience and reasoning power .> > > > all good omens like bringings of perfumes,sandal and > > kumkum,somebody> > > is bringing mangal sutra,gold or new dress,married ladies or couples> > > coming,seeing of astamangala materials,some come singing,mangala > > dwani> > > like sankh(conch),bells ringing,cows coming,elephant,royals,horses > > all> > > are considerd good.> > > > some nimittas are bad which needs special attention> > > > seeing somebody puts his finger in some hole or in nose /seeing > > some> > > animals/birds mating --suddenly jyothishi can say not reccommended > > for> > > matching.(actualy i find all this depends on upasana balam ( > > spiritual> > > power ) of jyothishi)> > > >> > > > I hope it can giv some what clear idea 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Guest guest Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 Dear Arjun ji,==>> if a native has an exalted benefic planet > in su or swasthana with no negative affliction and his mahadasa is > running, the native shall get good results but if sadesathi is > running, the native does not enjoy the good results and rather > witness some negative results.<== True. ==>> regarding the mangal dosha, the mail i wrote was only for theoretical > knowledge of the members as to how the hype was made out of it.<== I agree with you. But still would say that definitely badly placed Malefics will give inauspicious results for sure. Why malefics alone, even natural benefics can give many inauspicious results. For example - Ande gurur hi Vidhavam, dinakrit daridram Chandro dhana vyayakara kuladam cha rahuH (Sthri Jatakam) Meaning, if Jupiter is in 12th house the woman may become a widow; if Sun is in 12th house the woman may become penniless; if Moon in 12th there could be much expence; if Rahu in 12th house the women may cause bad name for her family. Note that all these results manifest ONLY IF the dasa also matches. If Jupiter in 7th in Capricorn for Cancer lagna, the same can cause death of wife/husband in its dasa. If Jupiter or Venus is in 8th from lagna for an women the chances for abortion is high. So in matching what should be considered - the position of the malefics (like Mars) alone or the specific results indicated by the various (benefic and malefic) planets? This is the point one should meditate upon if they are approaching astrology sincerely and systematically. I agree with you to a great extend - and feel that from two different perspectives, you and Sunil ji are presenting one and the same point. Love and regards,Sreenadh , "panditarjun2004" <panditarjun2004 wrote:>> dear kiranji> > astrology in olden days even with all these 1001 principles and > exceptions used to be a simple job for the traditionally learnt > people but with the computer revolution making a hundred page > comprehensive astro analysis at the click of a button and each page > giving an ambivalent view, the native gets confused with the > conflicting reports from each section. the astrologer has to spend > lot of time in seeing, checking, overseeing all areas and then come > to a cohesive conclusion. if a native has an exalted benefic planet > in su or swasthana with no negative affliction and his mahadasa is > running, the native shall get good results but if sadesathi is > running, the native does not enjoy the good results and rather > witness some negative results.> > once i could not find any reason for the various sufferings of the > native and then i asked him to check whether his brother has mars in > the 8th house and then he confirmed it. so sometimes even just > checking the individual chart is not sufficient as other charts too > have vicarious impact.> > regarding the mangal dosha, the mail i wrote was only for theoretical > knowledge of the members as to how the hype was made out of it.> > with best wishes and blessings> pandit arjun> > , Kiran R > kiran.rama@ wrote:> >> > Well said Panditji....> > > > samya will not work in all cases -> > Samya is usually done for 1, 2, 4, 7, 8, 12 houses for marriage - > logic being 7th is spouse, 8th is sustenance of marriage, 4th is > sukha, 2nd is kutumba, 12th is pleasure and 1st is native himself> > > > Suppose X has 2nd lord in dustana and malefic in 2nd house - he is > going to have problems in earned wealth - if he marries another girl > with 2nd lord in dustana/malefic in 2nd house - both will > have "Daridrathana"> > > > > > I think it makes sense logically for a person who has a bad 2nd > house to look to marry someone with good 2nd house so that it gets > cancelled - and same logic to all houses as well> > > > > > Regarding doshas, mere presence of malefic in 1,2,4,7,8,12 houses > does not cause papatwa - what if the house lord is in sustana? There > can be benefic aspecting the house? the malefic planet dasa maybe > over? the malefic maybe lord of two sustanas...etc> > > > So maybe a better idea to judge all the houses and come to > conclusion> > > > panditarjun2004 panditarjun2004@ > wrote: dear friends> > > > this mangal dosha is purportedly caused by merely mars finding a > > place in 1,2,4,7,8,12 houses (half of the houses) that too seen > from > > lagna, moon and some say even from venus. some states in india do > > not reckon 2nd house and similarly some astrologers dont see mars > in > > these houses from chandra and sukra to brand a native manglik.> > > > there are more than a dozen rules where this so called mangli yoga > > gets nullified through a mangli bhang yoga.> > > > no ancient classic has any yoga by this name and the genesis of > this > > yoga lies in the individual narration of how mars gives results > when > > placed in the houses 1,4,7,8,12. if any astrologer reads > carefully > > the entire probable dispositions of mars in these houses in > speicific > > relation to marriage, we find only 7,8,12 house placed mars giving > > some problems and not the other houses especially the vaidhavya > yoga.> > > > logically kiranji's observation is valid that two wrongs cant make > a > > right. a completely blind man marrying a completely blind woman > does > > not remove their blindness and let them see the world. on a > positive > > side, if the mars placement in a male chart suggests that the man > is > > a womaniser, he would find good company in marrying a woman with > > similar yoga in her chart as both are broadminded!> > > > in all matrimonial websites and advertisements mangliks > specifically > > search only for mangliks thinking that both are made for each > other > > or both are best compatible to each other.> > > > the much hyped verse "lagne vyayecha patale jamitrech ashtame > kuje, > > kanya bhartru vinashaya, bharta kanya vinashakrut" does not allow > a > > manglik to marry another manglik as it is internecine for both.> > > > but two more verses appeared in modern astrology texts (not > ancient, > > not even medieval) that says as follows:> > > > kuja doshvatri deya kuja doshavate kila:> > nadista dosho na chanista dampatyo sukhavardhana.> > > > this verse says that if one manglik marries another manglik, > mangal > > does not do any evil and rather both enjoy love and happiness.> > > > bhauma tulyo yada bhauma, paapo va tadvasho bhavet> > udvaha subhada prokta chiraayu putra pautrada.> > > > this verse says that if a man's chart has a malefic mars and if > the > > woman's chart has similar malefic mars or another malefic planet > in > > equal proportion, marriage between both is auspicious.> > > > astrologers have been given so many choicest sholkas from books to > > first fix a native manglik, check the dozens of mangli bhanga > yogas > > and then find another manglik and make the marriage between both > > auspicious.> > > > with best wishes and blessings> > pandit arjun> > www.rudraksharemedy.com> > > > , "Sreenadh" > > <sreesog@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Kiran ji,> > > > I have observed that if both male and female horoscope has > same > > dosha> > > (e.g: Kuja dosha),> > > > then it gets cancelled.> > > I doubt that statement about your 'observation'; rather it > is a> > > logical 'belief'; Ask Sunil ji to clarify you will get a better > > picture.> > > I am not debating whether the results gets 'cancelled' or not - > > that the> > > people who experienced it having the same combination will > clarify. > > > What I am stresssing is that, it is a logical 'belief'; rather > than> > > something 'observed' by the people.> > > Hope this helps.> > > Love and regards,> > > Sreenadh> > > > > > , Kiran R> > > <kiran.rama@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Good post Sunilji,> > > >> > > > I have observed that if both male and female horoscope has > same > > dosha> > > (e.g: Kuja dosha), then it gets cancelled. This is a mystery to > me > > as if> > > both have dosha both must suffer and have bad life. How does > dosha > > get> > > cancelled if it is present in both?> > > >> > > > Thanks> > > > Kiran> > > >> > > >> > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > >> > > > hare rama krishna ,> > > > dear grp and memebrs .> > > > This is my post long back published in another grp and now > again > > many> > > requests happening in personal and grp mails i thought of re > > posting it> > > .> > > > actualy sreenadhji was discussing abt it some days back and i > > promised> > > him i will write and then do any modifications required;> > > > so here is my post> > > > ==============> > > > In kerala and what i know generaly in south india we start by> > > matchting the rasi in 10 ways like rasi,rasyaadhipa(they use > > differnet> > > than normal frndship concept),vasyam,ganam(nature like> > > godly,demonly),yoni(male /female),dinam,mahendra,stree> > > dergham(dooram),rejju and vedham these are 10 and giving each > one > > mark> > > and see if there is more marks and still rejju (ayurvedic -vata> > > ,pitta,kapha-i think)and vedha a must> > > > or u can use ashta koota methods prevalent in north .> > > > Then we go for papa samya> > > > lagana(body),2nd(family and speech),4th house (family > happiness > > and> > > sukha stan),7th house (house of marriage ) ,8th house (deergha > > mangala> > > stan and maraka place and house of money of partner) and 12 th > > house is> > > sayana sukha stan and house of expenditure------so there is 6 > places> > > > we see any malifics are there in above said places from> > > LAGANA,MOON(MIND) AND VENUS (INDICATOR OF MARRIAGE LIFE),> > > > some people will giv equal weightage to lagna and moon (as > > considered> > > 2nd lagan) venus less weightage as some r of the opinion that the> > > papatwa to venus cannot be remedied as a man with loose morals > and > > girl> > > with equaly loose morals can not make good couples, they see 4th > > and 8th> > > matching only,Only see if too much points venus is gaining esp > in > > the> > > case of girl,it may boost immoral tendencies or deny normal > family> > > happyness by giving separation or even illness--it depends on the> > > horoscope,> > > > papatwa is considered in decressing order 8/7/4/12/2/1.Most > > malefic is> > > mars(planet of aggression and sudden actions),then sani,then > > sun,rahu> > > finaly ketu,> > > > also giv some marks like mars-4/sani-3/sun-2/rah and ketu-1 > also > > in> > > lagana-5/2nd house2/4th house-3,7th house-4/8th house-6/12th > house 1> > > > Again this we hav to see exceptions ,own house > debilataion ,means > > good> > > strenght can decrees the value and planet neecha or moudya> (combust )> > > will get 100% value.Only aspect of benefics can reduce the > effects > > and> > > malifics will surely increase the effects.> > > > Main consideration while analysing----> > > > 1) Papa grahas should b some what equal position or countering> > > position> > > > 2)If malefic is benefic from bhava concerned can giv reduction> > > > 3)if malefic is yoga karak again papatwa will be reduced> > > > 4)see major dasa of papas has passed and see their sub period > and > > do> > > the assessments> > > > 5)If lady having widowhood in horoscope match with a person > who > > has> > > two marriage or wife marana yaga( death of wife )> > > > 6)Main considerations shud b given to 7th and 8th position of > > malefics> > > > 7)Then in mans horo papa( malefics ) should b in 7th house> > > > 8)Even if in female horoscope papas( malefics) r in 7th and > > 8th,if a> > > strong benefic in 9th then it s solved automaticaly .> > > > AS---- navame shubha samyukte sapape aste ashtamepi va> > > > pathi putra yuta nari modate natra samsaya> > > > 9)see if papa graha dasas coming immediatly after marriage.> > > > 10)dasa santhi nirnayam> > > > see in both horoscopes same period dasa ends within 6 months > to > > one> > > years ends .See next dasa is maraka, or papa or weak then those> > > horoscopes shud not b matched> > > > same period dasa of enemy of lagna lord is happening and see > its> > > promise in the horoscope.> > > > same period dasa of mutualy enemys like sun in and sani in > > another or> > > rahu in one guru or venus and guru> > > > see the period of marakas in each horoscope and should not run> > > together at one time> > > > Also ones maraka dasa and anothers weak dasa of 7th lord or> > > karaka,like papayuta,papakartari,neecha etc should not happen at > > same> > > time.> > > > if malefics r in 8th house which can cause vaidhavya> > (widowhood),see> > > the 8th lord and see in whose house he attained in navamsa -in > his> > > naisargika dasa can giv the effects.like moon within a year,mars > > within> > > two year sun 50years ,guru-18th years after marriage> > > > or it can giv in dasa of malefics in 8th house> > > > then santana chinta (progency) and prosperity and yoga chinta -> > like> > > this all kinds of stuff frm two horoscopes,longitivity should b> > > calculated firstly before matchting> > > > then i hav see an elaborate prashna whether there is > > daivaanukulyam> > > (wish of god ) for this union and see all kinds of nimittas and > > omens> > > > Now a days nimittas can happen only in villages and in towns > its > > at> > > the discreation of astrologer to add or deduct according to his> > > experience and reasoning power .> > > > all good omens like bringings of perfumes,sandal and > > kumkum,somebody> > > is bringing mangal sutra,gold or new dress,married ladies or > couples> > > coming,seeing of astamangala materials,some come singing,mangala > > dwani> > > like sankh(conch),bells ringing,cows > coming,elephant,royals,horses > > all> > > are considerd good.> > > > some nimittas are bad which needs special attention> > > > seeing somebody puts his finger in some hole or in > nose /seeing > > some> > > animals/birds mating --suddenly jyothishi can say not > reccommended > > for> > > matching.(actualy i find all this depends on upasana balam ( > > spiritual> > > power ) of jyothishi)> > > >> > > > I hope it can giv some what clear idea abt matching and see > its > > not a> > > Soft ware job .It needs a good calibre jyothishi and who learned > a > > good> > > amnt of astro principles .> > > >> > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > Download prohibited? 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Guest guest Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 In one chart of a girl of SIMHA lagna, Jupitor is in cancer (Kataka Rasi) 12 th house 8 degrees in pushyami star who is lord of sixth and seventh. Will Jupitor give malafic effect to her married life.Her star is Sravanam and boys star is Purvashada and Dhanu lagna Is the two horoscops suitable for marriage.Kind advice is solicited. Thanking you, yours faithfully' Chandramouliswer Ghatty --- On Wed, 30/1/08, Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: Sreenadh <sreesog Re: Marriage matching concepts Date: Wednesday, 30 January, 2008, 7:24 PM Dear Arjun ji,==>> if a native has an exalted benefic planet > in su or swasthana with no negative affliction and his mahadasa is > running, the native shall get good results but if sadesathi is > running, the native does not enjoy the good results and rather > witness some negative results.<== True. ==>> regarding the mangal dosha, the mail i wrote was only for theoretical > knowledge of the members as to how the hype was made out of it.<== I agree with you. But still would say that definitely badly placed Malefics will give inauspicious results for sure. Why malefics alone, even natural benefics can give many inauspicious results. For example - Ande gurur hi Vidhavam, dinakrit daridram Chandro dhana vyayakara kuladam cha rahuH (Sthri Jatakam) Meaning, if Jupiter is in 12th house the woman may become a widow; if Sun is in 12th house the woman may become penniless; if Moon in 12th there could be much expence; if Rahu in 12th house the women may cause bad name for her family. Note that all these results manifest ONLY IF the dasa also matches. If Jupiter in 7th in Capricorn for Cancer lagna, the same can cause death of wife/husband in its dasa. If Jupiter or Venus is in 8th from lagna for an women the chances for abortion is high. So in matching what should be considered - the position of the malefics (like Mars) alone or the specific results indicated by the various (benefic and malefic) planets? This is the point one should meditate upon if they are approaching astrology sincerely and systematically. I agree with you to a great extend - and feel that from two different perspectives, you and Sunil ji are presenting one and the same point. Love and regards,Sreenadhancient_indian_ astrology, "panditarjun2004" <panditarjun2004@ ...> wrote:>> dear kiranji> > astrology in olden days even with all these 1001 principles and > exceptions used to be a simple job for the traditionally learnt > people but with the computer revolution making a hundred page > comprehensive astro analysis at the click of a button and each page > giving an ambivalent view, the native gets confused with the > conflicting reports from each section. the astrologer has to spend > lot of time in seeing, checking, overseeing all areas and then come > to a cohesive conclusion. if a native has an exalted benefic planet > in su or swasthana with no negative affliction and his mahadasa is > running, the native shall get good results but if sadesathi is > running, the native does not enjoy the good results and rather > witness some negative results.> > once i could not find any reason for the various sufferings of the > native and then i asked him to check whether his brother has mars in > the 8th house and then he confirmed it. so sometimes even just > checking the individual chart is not sufficient as other charts too > have vicarious impact.> > regarding the mangal dosha, the mail i wrote was only for theoretical > knowledge of the members as to how the hype was made out of it.> > with best wishes and blessings> pandit arjun> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Kiran R > kiran.rama@ wrote:> >> > Well said Panditji....> > > > samya will not work in all cases -> > Samya is usually done for 1, 2, 4, 7, 8, 12 houses for marriage - > logic being 7th is spouse, 8th is sustenance of marriage, 4th is > sukha, 2nd is kutumba, 12th is pleasure and 1st is native himself> > > > Suppose X has 2nd lord in dustana and malefic in 2nd house - he is > going to have problems in earned wealth - if he marries another girl > with 2nd lord in dustana/malefic in 2nd house - both will > have "Daridrathana"> > > > > > I think it makes sense logically for a person who has a bad 2nd > house to look to marry someone with good 2nd house so that it gets > cancelled - and same logic to all houses as well> > > > > > Regarding doshas, mere presence of malefic in 1,2,4,7,8,12 houses > does not cause papatwa - what if the house lord is in sustana? There > can be benefic aspecting the house? the malefic planet dasa maybe > over? the malefic maybe lord of two sustanas...etc> > > > So maybe a better idea to judge all the houses and come to > conclusion> > > > panditarjun2004 panditarjun2004@ > wrote: dear friends> > > > this mangal dosha is purportedly caused by merely mars finding a > > place in 1,2,4,7,8,12 houses (half of the houses) that too seen > from > > lagna, moon and some say even from venus. some states in india do > > not reckon 2nd house and similarly some astrologers dont see mars > in > > these houses from chandra and sukra to brand a native manglik.> > > > there are more than a dozen rules where this so called mangli yoga > > gets nullified through a mangli bhang yoga.> > > > no ancient classic has any yoga by this name and the genesis of > this > > yoga lies in the individual narration of how mars gives results > when > > placed in the houses 1,4,7,8,12. if any astrologer reads > carefully > > the entire probable dispositions of mars in these houses in > speicific > > relation to marriage, we find only 7,8,12 house placed mars giving > > some problems and not the other houses especially the vaidhavya > yoga.> > > > logically kiranji's observation is valid that two wrongs cant make > a > > right. a completely blind man marrying a completely blind woman > does > > not remove their blindness and let them see the world. on a > positive > > side, if the mars placement in a male chart suggests that the man > is > > a womaniser, he would find good company in marrying a woman with > > similar yoga in her chart as both are broadminded!> > > > in all matrimonial websites and advertisements mangliks > specifically > > search only for mangliks thinking that both are made for each > other > > or both are best compatible to each other.> > > > the much hyped verse "lagne vyayecha patale jamitrech ashtame > kuje, > > kanya bhartru vinashaya, bharta kanya vinashakrut" does not allow > a > > manglik to marry another manglik as it is internecine for both.> > > > but two more verses appeared in modern astrology texts (not > ancient, > > not even medieval) that says as follows:> > > > kuja doshvatri deya kuja doshavate kila:> > nadista dosho na chanista dampatyo sukhavardhana.> > > > this verse says that if one manglik marries another manglik, > mangal > > does not do any evil and rather both enjoy love and happiness.> > > > bhauma tulyo yada bhauma, paapo va tadvasho bhavet> > udvaha subhada prokta chiraayu putra pautrada.> > > > this verse says that if a man's chart has a malefic mars and if > the > > woman's chart has similar malefic mars or another malefic planet > in > > equal proportion, marriage between both is auspicious.> > > > astrologers have been given so many choicest sholkas from books to > > first fix a native manglik, check the dozens of mangli bhanga > yogas > > and then find another manglik and make the marriage between both > > auspicious.> > > > with best wishes and blessings> > pandit arjun> > www.rudraksharemedy .com> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Sreenadh" > > <sreesog@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Kiran ji,> > > > I have observed that if both male and female horoscope has > same > > dosha> > > (e.g: Kuja dosha),> > > > then it gets cancelled.> > > I doubt that statement about your 'observation' ; rather it > is a> > > logical 'belief'; Ask Sunil ji to clarify you will get a better > > picture.> > > I am not debating whether the results gets 'cancelled' or not - > > that the> > > people who experienced it having the same combination will > clarify. > > > What I am stresssing is that, it is a logical 'belief'; rather > than> > > something 'observed' by the people.> > > Hope this helps.> > > Love and regards,> > > Sreenadh> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Kiran R> > > <kiran.rama@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Good post Sunilji,> > > >> > > > I have observed that if both male and female horoscope has > same > > dosha> > > (e.g: Kuja dosha), then it gets cancelled. This is a mystery to > me > > as if> > > both have dosha both must suffer and have bad life. How does > dosha > > get> > > cancelled if it is present in both?> > > >> > > > Thanks> > > > Kiran> > > >> > > >> > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > >> > > > hare rama krishna ,> > > > dear grp and memebrs .> > > > This is my post long back published in another grp and now > again > > many> > > requests happening in personal and grp mails i thought of re > > posting it> > > .> > > > actualy sreenadhji was discussing abt it some days back and i > > promised> > > him i will write and then do any modifications required;> > > > so here is my post> > > > ============ ==> > > > In kerala and what i know generaly in south india we start by> > > matchting the rasi in 10 ways like rasi,rasyaadhipa( they use > > differnet> > > than normal frndship concept),vasyam, ganam(nature like> > > godly,demonly) ,yoni(male /female),dinam, mahendra, stree> > > dergham(dooram) ,rejju and vedham these are 10 and giving each > one > > mark> > > and see if there is more marks and still rejju (ayurvedic -vata> > > ,pitta,kapha- i think)and vedha a must> > > > or u can use ashta koota methods prevalent in north .> > > > Then we go for papa samya> > > > lagana(body) ,2nd(family and speech),4th house (family > happiness > > and> > > sukha stan),7th house (house of marriage ) ,8th house (deergha > > mangala> > > stan and maraka place and house of money of partner) and 12 th > > house is> > > sayana sukha stan and house of expenditure- -----so there is 6 > places> > > > we see any malifics are there in above said places from> > > LAGANA,MOON( MIND) AND VENUS (INDICATOR OF MARRIAGE LIFE),> > > > some people will giv equal weightage to lagna and moon (as > > considered> > > 2nd lagan) venus less weightage as some r of the opinion that the> > > papatwa to venus cannot be remedied as a man with loose morals > and > > girl> > > with equaly loose morals can not make good couples, they see 4th > > and 8th> > > matching only,Only see if too much points venus is gaining esp > in > > the> > > case of girl,it may boost immoral tendencies or deny normal > family> > > happyness by giving separation or even illness--it depends on the> > > horoscope,> > > > papatwa is considered in decressing order 8/7/4/12/2/1. Most > > malefic is> > > mars(planet of aggression and sudden actions),then sani,then > > sun,rahu> > > finaly ketu,> > > > also giv some marks like mars-4/sani- 3/sun-2/rah and ketu-1 > also > > in> > > lagana-5/2nd house2/4th house-3,7th house-4/8th house-6/12th > house 1> > > > Again this we hav to see exceptions ,own house > debilataion ,means > > good> > > strenght can decrees the value and planet neecha or moudya> (combust )> > > will get 100% value.Only aspect of benefics can reduce the > effects > > and> > > malifics will surely increase the effects.> > > > Main consideration while analysing--- -> > > > 1) Papa grahas should b some what equal position or countering> > > position> > > > 2)If malefic is benefic from bhava concerned can giv reduction> > > > 3)if malefic is yoga karak again papatwa will be reduced> > > > 4)see major dasa of papas has passed and see their sub period > and > > do> > > the assessments> > > > 5)If lady having widowhood in horoscope match with a person > who > > has> > > two marriage or wife marana yaga( death of wife )> > > > 6)Main considerations shud b given to 7th and 8th position of > > malefics> > > > 7)Then in mans horo papa( malefics ) should b in 7th house> > > > 8)Even if in female horoscope papas( malefics) r in 7th and > > 8th,if a> > > strong benefic in 9th then it s solved automaticaly .> > > > AS---- navame shubha samyukte sapape aste ashtamepi va> > > > pathi putra yuta nari modate natra samsaya> > > > 9)see if papa graha dasas coming immediatly after marriage.> > > > 10)dasa santhi nirnayam> > > > see in both horoscopes same period dasa ends within 6 months > to > > one> > > years ends .See next dasa is maraka, or papa or weak then those> > > horoscopes shud not b matched> > > > same period dasa of enemy of lagna lord is happening and see > its> > > promise in the horoscope.> > > > same period dasa of mutualy enemys like sun in and sani in > > another or> > > rahu in one guru or venus and guru> > > > see the period of marakas in each horoscope and should not run> > > together at one time> > > > Also ones maraka dasa and anothers weak dasa of 7th lord or> > > karaka,like papayuta,papakartar i,neecha etc should not happen at > > same> > > time.> > > > if malefics r in 8th house which can cause vaidhavya> > (widowhood), see> > > the 8th lord and see in whose house he attained in navamsa -in > his> > > naisargika dasa can giv the effects.like moon within a year,mars > > within> > > two year sun 50years ,guru-18th years after marriage> > > > or it can giv in dasa of malefics in 8th house> > > > then santana chinta (progency) and prosperity and yoga chinta -> > like> > > this all kinds of stuff frm two horoscopes,longitiv ity should b> > > calculated firstly before matchting> > > > then i hav see an elaborate prashna whether there is > > daivaanukulyam> > > (wish of god ) for this union and see all kinds of nimittas and > > omens> > > > Now a days nimittas can happen only in villages and in towns > its > > at> > > the discreation of astrologer to add or deduct according to his> > > experience and reasoning power .> > > > all good omens like bringings of perfumes,sandal and > > kumkum,somebody> > > is bringing mangal sutra,gold or new dress,married ladies or > couples> > > coming,seeing of astamangala materials,some come singing,mangala > > dwani> > > like sankh(conch) ,bells ringing,cows > coming,elephant, royals,horses > > all> > > are considerd good.> > > > some nimittas are bad which needs special attention> > > > seeing somebody puts his finger in some hole or in > nose /seeing > > some> > > animals/birds mating --suddenly jyothishi can say not > reccommended > > for> > > matching.(actualy i find all this depends on upasana balam ( > > spiritual> > > power ) of jyothishi)> > > >> > > > I hope it can giv some what clear idea abt matching and see > its > > not a> > > Soft ware job .It needs a good calibre jyothishi and who learned > a > > good> > > amnt of astro principles .> > > >> > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---> > > > Download prohibited? 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Guest guest Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 dear sreenadhji we all agree that matching two horoscopes for marriage is not a cakewalk and has to be treaded cautiously with the concerned astrologer taking extra time to look beyond the one page point table and score given by the computer matchmaking. those interested in matching the horoscopes for marriage shall get this comprehensive reading done by traditional experienced astrologers in their own cities preferably by a personal visit. before buying a house people spend lakhs of rupees on architect, vastu consultant etc. but when comes to marriage which is also supposed to be once in a lifetime event, people do not give it the serious approach it deserves. am sad to observe little difference in the friendship, dating or matrimonial websites and the casual way of selecting life partners just like searching a resume for filling up a vacancy. this group is indeed a very good interactive knowledge sharing and platform in a cordial manner where members can see the same subject or issue in various angles with various views. on manglik issue, am personally sad to observe that many innocent natives are branding themselves 'manglik' just by finding their mars in few houses without properly checking the mangli bhanga yogas and the malefic nature etc. and posting their matrimonial ads under the header manglik looking only for another manglik spouse thereby narrowing and restricting their life partner search only for manglik instead of having an open mind. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun , " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote: > > Dear Arjun ji, > ==> > > if a native has an exalted benefic planet > > in su or swasthana with no negative affliction and his mahadasa is > > running, the native shall get good results but if sadesathi is > > running, the native does not enjoy the good results and rather > > witness some negative results. > <== > True. > ==> > > regarding the mangal dosha, the mail i wrote was only for theoretical > > knowledge of the members as to how the hype was made out of it. > <== > I agree with you. But still would say that definitely badly placed > Malefics will give inauspicious results for sure. Why malefics alone, > even natural benefics can give many inauspicious results. For example - > Ande gurur hi Vidhavam, dinakrit daridram > Chandro dhana vyayakara kuladam cha rahuH > (Sthri Jatakam) > Meaning, if Jupiter is in 12th house the woman may become a widow; if > Sun is in 12th house the woman may become penniless; if Moon in 12th > there could be much expence; if Rahu in 12th house the women may cause > bad name for her family. > Note that all these results manifest ONLY IF the dasa also matches. > If Jupiter in 7th in Capricorn for Cancer lagna, the same can cause > death of wife/husband in its dasa. If Jupiter or Venus is in 8th from > lagna for an women the chances for abortion is high. So in matching > what should be considered - the position of the malefics (like Mars) > alone or the specific results indicated by the various (benefic and > malefic) planets? This is the point one should meditate upon if they > are approaching astrology sincerely and systematically. I agree with you > to a great extend - and feel that from two different perspectives, you > and Sunil ji are presenting one and the same point. > Love and regards, > Sreenadh > > , " panditarjun2004 " > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > dear kiranji > > > > astrology in olden days even with all these 1001 principles and > > exceptions used to be a simple job for the traditionally learnt > > people but with the computer revolution making a hundred page > > comprehensive astro analysis at the click of a button and each page > > giving an ambivalent view, the native gets confused with the > > conflicting reports from each section. the astrologer has to spend > > lot of time in seeing, checking, overseeing all areas and then come > > to a cohesive conclusion. if a native has an exalted benefic planet > > in su or swasthana with no negative affliction and his mahadasa is > > running, the native shall get good results but if sadesathi is > > running, the native does not enjoy the good results and rather > > witness some negative results. > > > > once i could not find any reason for the various sufferings of the > > native and then i asked him to check whether his brother has mars in > > the 8th house and then he confirmed it. so sometimes even just > > checking the individual chart is not sufficient as other charts too > > have vicarious impact. > > > > regarding the mangal dosha, the mail i wrote was only for theoretical > > knowledge of the members as to how the hype was made out of it. > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > pandit arjun > > > > , Kiran R > > kiran.rama@ wrote: > > > > > > Well said Panditji.... > > > > > > samya will not work in all cases - > > > Samya is usually done for 1, 2, 4, 7, 8, 12 houses for marriage - > > logic being 7th is spouse, 8th is sustenance of marriage, 4th is > > sukha, 2nd is kutumba, 12th is pleasure and 1st is native himself > > > > > > Suppose X has 2nd lord in dustana and malefic in 2nd house - he is > > going to have problems in earned wealth - if he marries another girl > > with 2nd lord in dustana/malefic in 2nd house - both will > > have " Daridrathana " > > > > > > > > > I think it makes sense logically for a person who has a bad 2nd > > house to look to marry someone with good 2nd house so that it gets > > cancelled - and same logic to all houses as well > > > > > > > > > Regarding doshas, mere presence of malefic in 1,2,4,7,8,12 houses > > does not cause papatwa - what if the house lord is in sustana? There > > can be benefic aspecting the house? the malefic planet dasa maybe > > over? the malefic maybe lord of two sustanas...etc > > > > > > So maybe a better idea to judge all the houses and come to > > conclusion > > > > > > panditarjun2004 panditarjun2004@ > > wrote: dear friends > > > > > > this mangal dosha is purportedly caused by merely mars finding a > > > place in 1,2,4,7,8,12 houses (half of the houses) that too seen > > from > > > lagna, moon and some say even from venus. some states in india do > > > not reckon 2nd house and similarly some astrologers dont see mars > > in > > > these houses from chandra and sukra to brand a native manglik. > > > > > > there are more than a dozen rules where this so called mangli yoga > > > gets nullified through a mangli bhang yoga. > > > > > > no ancient classic has any yoga by this name and the genesis of > > this > > > yoga lies in the individual narration of how mars gives results > > when > > > placed in the houses 1,4,7,8,12. if any astrologer reads > > carefully > > > the entire probable dispositions of mars in these houses in > > speicific > > > relation to marriage, we find only 7,8,12 house placed mars giving > > > some problems and not the other houses especially the vaidhavya > > yoga. > > > > > > logically kiranji's observation is valid that two wrongs cant make > > a > > > right. a completely blind man marrying a completely blind woman > > does > > > not remove their blindness and let them see the world. on a > > positive > > > side, if the mars placement in a male chart suggests that the man > > is > > > a womaniser, he would find good company in marrying a woman with > > > similar yoga in her chart as both are broadminded! > > > > > > in all matrimonial websites and advertisements mangliks > > specifically > > > search only for mangliks thinking that both are made for each > > other > > > or both are best compatible to each other. > > > > > > the much hyped verse " lagne vyayecha patale jamitrech ashtame > > kuje, > > > kanya bhartru vinashaya, bharta kanya vinashakrut " does not allow > > a > > > manglik to marry another manglik as it is internecine for both. > > > > > > but two more verses appeared in modern astrology texts (not > > ancient, > > > not even medieval) that says as follows: > > > > > > kuja doshvatri deya kuja doshavate kila: > > > nadista dosho na chanista dampatyo sukhavardhana. > > > > > > this verse says that if one manglik marries another manglik, > > mangal > > > does not do any evil and rather both enjoy love and happiness. > > > > > > bhauma tulyo yada bhauma, paapo va tadvasho bhavet > > > udvaha subhada prokta chiraayu putra pautrada. > > > > > > this verse says that if a man's chart has a malefic mars and if > > the > > > woman's chart has similar malefic mars or another malefic planet > > in > > > equal proportion, marriage between both is auspicious. > > > > > > astrologers have been given so many choicest sholkas from books to > > > first fix a native manglik, check the dozens of mangli bhanga > > yogas > > > and then find another manglik and make the marriage between both > > > auspicious. > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > pandit arjun > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > , " Sreenadh " > > > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Kiran ji, > > > > > I have observed that if both male and female horoscope has > > same > > > dosha > > > > (e.g: Kuja dosha), > > > > > then it gets cancelled. > > > > I doubt that statement about your 'observation'; rather it > > is a > > > > logical 'belief'; Ask Sunil ji to clarify you will get a better > > > picture. > > > > I am not debating whether the results gets 'cancelled' or not - > > > that the > > > > people who experienced it having the same combination will > > clarify. > > > > What I am stresssing is that, it is a logical 'belief'; rather > > than > > > > something 'observed' by the people. > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > Love and regards, > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > , Kiran R > > > > <kiran.rama@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Good post Sunilji, > > > > > > > > > > I have observed that if both male and female horoscope has > > same > > > dosha > > > > (e.g: Kuja dosha), then it gets cancelled. This is a mystery to > > me > > > as if > > > > both have dosha both must suffer and have bad life. How does > > dosha > > > get > > > > cancelled if it is present in both? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > Kiran > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > hare rama krishna , > > > > > dear grp and memebrs . > > > > > This is my post long back published in another grp and now > > again > > > many > > > > requests happening in personal and grp mails i thought of re > > > posting it > > > > . > > > > > actualy sreenadhji was discussing abt it some days back and i > > > promised > > > > him i will write and then do any modifications required; > > > > > so here is my post > > > > > ============== > > > > > In kerala and what i know generaly in south india we start by > > > > matchting the rasi in 10 ways like rasi,rasyaadhipa(they use > > > differnet > > > > than normal frndship concept),vasyam,ganam(nature like > > > > godly,demonly),yoni(male /female),dinam,mahendra,stree > > > > dergham(dooram),rejju and vedham these are 10 and giving each > > one > > > mark > > > > and see if there is more marks and still rejju (ayurvedic - vata > > > > ,pitta,kapha-i think)and vedha a must > > > > > or u can use ashta koota methods prevalent in north . > > > > > Then we go for papa samya > > > > > lagana(body),2nd(family and speech),4th house (family > > happiness > > > and > > > > sukha stan),7th house (house of marriage ) ,8th house (deergha > > > mangala > > > > stan and maraka place and house of money of partner) and 12 th > > > house is > > > > sayana sukha stan and house of expenditure------so there is 6 > > places > > > > > we see any malifics are there in above said places from > > > > LAGANA,MOON(MIND) AND VENUS (INDICATOR OF MARRIAGE LIFE), > > > > > some people will giv equal weightage to lagna and moon (as > > > considered > > > > 2nd lagan) venus less weightage as some r of the opinion that the > > > > papatwa to venus cannot be remedied as a man with loose morals > > and > > > girl > > > > with equaly loose morals can not make good couples, they see 4th > > > and 8th > > > > matching only,Only see if too much points venus is gaining esp > > in > > > the > > > > case of girl,it may boost immoral tendencies or deny normal > > family > > > > happyness by giving separation or even illness--it depends on the > > > > horoscope, > > > > > papatwa is considered in decressing order 8/7/4/12/2/1.Most > > > malefic is > > > > mars(planet of aggression and sudden actions),then sani,then > > > sun,rahu > > > > finaly ketu, > > > > > also giv some marks like mars-4/sani-3/sun-2/rah and ketu-1 > > also > > > in > > > > lagana-5/2nd house2/4th house-3,7th house-4/8th house-6/12th > > house 1 > > > > > Again this we hav to see exceptions ,own house > > debilataion ,means > > > good > > > > strenght can decrees the value and planet neecha or moudya > > (combust ) > > > > will get 100% value.Only aspect of benefics can reduce the > > effects > > > and > > > > malifics will surely increase the effects. > > > > > Main consideration while analysing---- > > > > > 1) Papa grahas should b some what equal position or countering > > > > position > > > > > 2)If malefic is benefic from bhava concerned can giv reduction > > > > > 3)if malefic is yoga karak again papatwa will be reduced > > > > > 4)see major dasa of papas has passed and see their sub period > > and > > > do > > > > the assessments > > > > > 5)If lady having widowhood in horoscope match with a person > > who > > > has > > > > two marriage or wife marana yaga( death of wife ) > > > > > 6)Main considerations shud b given to 7th and 8th position of > > > malefics > > > > > 7)Then in mans horo papa( malefics ) should b in 7th house > > > > > 8)Even if in female horoscope papas( malefics) r in 7th and > > > 8th,if a > > > > strong benefic in 9th then it s solved automaticaly . > > > > > AS---- navame shubha samyukte sapape aste ashtamepi va > > > > > pathi putra yuta nari modate natra samsaya > > > > > 9)see if papa graha dasas coming immediatly after marriage. > > > > > 10)dasa santhi nirnayam > > > > > see in both horoscopes same period dasa ends within 6 months > > to > > > one > > > > years ends .See next dasa is maraka, or papa or weak then those > > > > horoscopes shud not b matched > > > > > same period dasa of enemy of lagna lord is happening and see > > its > > > > promise in the horoscope. > > > > > same period dasa of mutualy enemys like sun in and sani in > > > another or > > > > rahu in one guru or venus and guru > > > > > see the period of marakas in each horoscope and should not run > > > > together at one time > > > > > Also ones maraka dasa and anothers weak dasa of 7th lord or > > > > karaka,like papayuta,papakartari,neecha etc should not happen at > > > same > > > > time. > > > > > if malefics r in 8th house which can cause vaidhavya > > > (widowhood),see > > > > the 8th lord and see in whose house he attained in navamsa -in > > his > > > > naisargika dasa can giv the effects.like moon within a year,mars > > > within > > > > two year sun 50years ,guru-18th years after marriage > > > > > or it can giv in dasa of malefics in 8th house > > > > > then santana chinta (progency) and prosperity and yoga chinta - > > > like > > > > this all kinds of stuff frm two horoscopes,longitivity should b > > > > calculated firstly before matchting > > > > > then i hav see an elaborate prashna whether there is > > > daivaanukulyam > > > > (wish of god ) for this union and see all kinds of nimittas and > > > omens > > > > > Now a days nimittas can happen only in villages and in towns > > its > > > at > > > > the discreation of astrologer to add or deduct according to his > > > > experience and reasoning power . > > > > > all good omens like bringings of perfumes,sandal and > > > kumkum,somebody > > > > is bringing mangal sutra,gold or new dress,married ladies or > > couples > > > > coming,seeing of astamangala materials,some come singing,mangala > > > dwani > > > > like sankh(conch),bells ringing,cows > > coming,elephant,royals,horses > > > all > > > > are considerd good. > > > > > some nimittas are bad which needs special attention > > > > > seeing somebody puts his finger in some hole or in > > nose /seeing > > > some > > > > animals/birds mating --suddenly jyothishi can say not > > reccommended > > > for > > > > matching.(actualy i find all this depends on upasana balam ( > > > spiritual > > > > power ) of jyothishi) > > > > > > > > > > I hope it can giv some what clear idea abt matching and see > > its > > > not a > > > > Soft ware job .It needs a good calibre jyothishi and who learned > > a > > > good > > > > amnt of astro principles . > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Download prohibited? 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Guest guest Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 Dear Sreenadhji,"Jupiter in 12th house may make a woman a widow" - This does not hold good if Jupiter is in own house or exalted - and even if in 12th house, it can cause widowhood only in its dasa.That is the problem today with mechanical interpretation of slokas - The exceptions are usually in a sloka at the end of 2 succeeding chapters !!!RegardsKiranSreenadh <sreesog wrote: Dear Arjun ji,==>> if a native has an exalted benefic planet > in su or swasthana with no negative affliction and his mahadasa is > running, the native shall get good results but if sadesathi is > running, the native does not enjoy the good results and rather > witness some negative results.<== True. ==>> regarding the mangal dosha, the mail i wrote was only for theoretical > knowledge of the members as to how the hype was made out of it.<== I agree with you. But still would say that definitely badly placed Malefics will give inauspicious results for sure. Why malefics alone, even natural benefics can give many inauspicious results. For example - Ande gurur hi Vidhavam, dinakrit daridram Chandro dhana vyayakara kuladam cha rahuH (Sthri Jatakam) Meaning, if Jupiter is in 12th house the woman may become a widow; if Sun is in 12th house the woman may become penniless; if Moon in 12th there could be much expence; if Rahu in 12th house the women may cause bad name for her family. Note that all these results manifest ONLY IF the dasa also matches. If Jupiter in 7th in Capricorn for Cancer lagna, the same can cause death of wife/husband in its dasa. If Jupiter or Venus is in 8th from lagna for an women the chances for abortion is high. So in matching what should be considered - the position of the malefics (like Mars) alone or the specific results indicated by the various (benefic and malefic) planets? This is the point one should meditate upon if they are approaching astrology sincerely and systematically. I agree with you to a great extend - and feel that from two different perspectives, you and Sunil ji are presenting one and the same point. Love and regards,Sreenadh , "panditarjun2004" <panditarjun2004 wrote:>> dear kiranji> > astrology in olden days even with all these 1001 principles and > exceptions used to be a simple job for the traditionally learnt > people but with the computer revolution making a hundred page > comprehensive astro analysis at the click of a button and each page > giving an ambivalent view, the native gets confused with the > conflicting reports from each section. the astrologer has to spend > lot of time in seeing, checking, overseeing all areas and then come > to a cohesive conclusion. if a native has an exalted benefic planet > in su or swasthana with no negative affliction and his mahadasa is > running, the native shall get good results but if sadesathi is > running, the native does not enjoy the good results and rather > witness some negative results.> > once i could not find any reason for the various sufferings of the > native and then i asked him to check whether his brother has mars in > the 8th house and then he confirmed it. so sometimes even just > checking the individual chart is not sufficient as other charts too > have vicarious impact.> > regarding the mangal dosha, the mail i wrote was only for theoretical > knowledge of the members as to how the hype was made out of it.> > with best wishes and blessings> pandit arjun> > --- In , Kiran R > kiran.rama@ wrote:> >> > Well said Panditji....> > > > samya will not work in all cases -> > Samya is usually done for 1, 2, 4, 7, 8, 12 houses for marriage - > logic being 7th is spouse, 8th is sustenance of marriage, 4th is > sukha, 2nd is kutumba, 12th is pleasure and 1st is native himself> > > > Suppose X has 2nd lord in dustana and malefic in 2nd house - he is > going to have problems in earned wealth - if he marries another girl > with 2nd lord in dustana/malefic in 2nd house - both will > have "Daridrathana"> > > > > > I think it makes sense logically for a person who has a bad 2nd > house to look to marry someone with good 2nd house so that it gets > cancelled - and same logic to all houses as well> > > > > > Regarding doshas, mere presence of malefic in 1,2,4,7,8,12 houses > does not cause papatwa - what if the house lord is in sustana? There > can be benefic aspecting the house? the malefic planet dasa maybe > over? the malefic maybe lord of two sustanas...etc> > > > So maybe a better idea to judge all the houses and come to > conclusion> > > > panditarjun2004 panditarjun2004@ > wrote: dear friends> > > > this mangal dosha is purportedly caused by merely mars finding a > > place in 1,2,4,7,8,12 houses (half of the houses) that too seen > from > > lagna, moon and some say even from venus. some states in india do > > not reckon 2nd house and similarly some astrologers dont see mars > in > > these houses from chandra and sukra to brand a native manglik.> > > > there are more than a dozen rules where this so called mangli yoga > > gets nullified through a mangli bhang yoga.> > > > no ancient classic has any yoga by this name and the genesis of > this > > yoga lies in the individual narration of how mars gives results > when > > placed in the houses 1,4,7,8,12. if any astrologer reads > carefully > > the entire probable dispositions of mars in these houses in > speicific > > relation to marriage, we find only 7,8,12 house placed mars giving > > some problems and not the other houses especially the vaidhavya > yoga.> > > > logically kiranji's observation is valid that two wrongs cant make > a > > right. a completely blind man marrying a completely blind woman > does > > not remove their blindness and let them see the world. on a > positive > > side, if the mars placement in a male chart suggests that the man > is > > a womaniser, he would find good company in marrying a woman with > > similar yoga in her chart as both are broadminded!> > > > in all matrimonial websites and advertisements mangliks > specifically > > search only for mangliks thinking that both are made for each > other > > or both are best compatible to each other.> > > > the much hyped verse "lagne vyayecha patale jamitrech ashtame > kuje, > > kanya bhartru vinashaya, bharta kanya vinashakrut" does not allow > a > > manglik to marry another manglik as it is internecine for both.> > > > but two more verses appeared in modern astrology texts (not > ancient, > > not even medieval) that says as follows:> > > > kuja doshvatri deya kuja doshavate kila:> > nadista dosho na chanista dampatyo sukhavardhana.> > > > this verse says that if one manglik marries another manglik, > mangal > > does not do any evil and rather both enjoy love and happiness.> > > > bhauma tulyo yada bhauma, paapo va tadvasho bhavet> > udvaha subhada prokta chiraayu putra pautrada.> > > > this verse says that if a man's chart has a malefic mars and if > the > > woman's chart has similar malefic mars or another malefic planet > in > > equal proportion, marriage between both is auspicious.> > > > astrologers have been given so many choicest sholkas from books to > > first fix a native manglik, check the dozens of mangli bhanga > yogas > > and then find another manglik and make the marriage between both > > auspicious.> > > > with best wishes and blessings> > pandit arjun> > www.rudraksharemedy.com> > > > , "Sreenadh" > > <sreesog@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Kiran ji,> > > > I have observed that if both male and female horoscope has > same > > dosha> > > (e.g: Kuja dosha),> > > > then it gets cancelled.> > > I doubt that statement about your 'observation'; rather it > is a> > > logical 'belief'; Ask Sunil ji to clarify you will get a better > > picture.> > > I am not debating whether the results gets 'cancelled' or not - > > that the> > > people who experienced it having the same combination will > clarify. > > > What I am stresssing is that, it is a logical 'belief'; rather > than> > > something 'observed' by the people.> > > Hope this helps.> > > Love and regards,> > > Sreenadh> > > > > > , Kiran R> > > <kiran.rama@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Good post Sunilji,> > > >> > > > I have observed that if both male and female horoscope has > same > > dosha> > > (e.g: Kuja dosha), then it gets cancelled. This is a mystery to > me > > as if> > > both have dosha both must suffer and have bad life. How does > dosha > > get> > > cancelled if it is present in both?> > > >> > > > Thanks> > > > Kiran> > > >> > > >> > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > >> > > > hare rama krishna ,> > > > dear grp and memebrs .> > > > This is my post long back published in another grp and now > again > > many> > > requests happening in personal and grp mails i thought of re > > posting it> > > .> > > > actualy sreenadhji was discussing abt it some days back and i > > promised> > > him i will write and then do any modifications required;> > > > so here is my post> > > > ==============> > > > In kerala and what i know generaly in south india we start by> > > matchting the rasi in 10 ways like rasi,rasyaadhipa(they use > > differnet> > > than normal frndship concept),vasyam,ganam(nature like> > > godly,demonly),yoni(male /female),dinam,mahendra,stree> > > dergham(dooram),rejju and vedham these are 10 and giving each > one > > mark> > > and see if there is more marks and still rejju (ayurvedic -vata> > > ,pitta,kapha-i think)and vedha a must> > > > or u can use ashta koota methods prevalent in north .> > > > Then we go for papa samya> > > > lagana(body),2nd(family and speech),4th house (family > happiness > > and> > > sukha stan),7th house (house of marriage ) ,8th house (deergha > > mangala> > > stan and maraka place and house of money of partner) and 12 th > > house is> > > sayana sukha stan and house of expenditure------so there is 6 > places> > > > we see any malifics are there in above said places from> > > LAGANA,MOON(MIND) AND VENUS (INDICATOR OF MARRIAGE LIFE),> > > > some people will giv equal weightage to lagna and moon (as > > considered> > > 2nd lagan) venus less weightage as some r of the opinion that the> > > papatwa to venus cannot be remedied as a man with loose morals > and > > girl> > > with equaly loose morals can not make good couples, they see 4th > > and 8th> > > matching only,Only see if too much points venus is gaining esp > in > > the> > > case of girl,it may boost immoral tendencies or deny normal > family> > > happyness by giving separation or even illness--it depends on the> > > horoscope,> > > > papatwa is considered in decressing order 8/7/4/12/2/1.Most > > malefic is> > > mars(planet of aggression and sudden actions),then sani,then > > sun,rahu> > > finaly ketu,> > > > also giv some marks like mars-4/sani-3/sun-2/rah and ketu-1 > also > > in> > > lagana-5/2nd house2/4th house-3,7th house-4/8th house-6/12th > house 1> > > > Again this we hav to see exceptions ,own house > debilataion ,means > > good> > > strenght can decrees the value and planet neecha or moudya> (combust )> > > will get 100% value.Only aspect of benefics can reduce the > effects > > and> > > malifics will surely increase the effects.> > > > Main consideration while analysing----> > > > 1) Papa grahas should b some what equal position or countering> > > position> > > > 2)If malefic is benefic from bhava concerned can giv reduction> > > > 3)if malefic is yoga karak again papatwa will be reduced> > > > 4)see major dasa of papas has passed and see their sub period > and > > do> > > the assessments> > > > 5)If lady having widowhood in horoscope match with a person > who > > has> > > two marriage or wife marana yaga( death of wife )> > > > 6)Main considerations shud b given to 7th and 8th position of > > malefics> > > > 7)Then in mans horo papa( malefics ) should b in 7th house> > > > 8)Even if in female horoscope papas( malefics) r in 7th and > > 8th,if a> > > strong benefic in 9th then it s solved automaticaly .> > > > AS---- navame shubha samyukte sapape aste ashtamepi va> > > > pathi putra yuta nari modate natra samsaya> > > > 9)see if papa graha dasas coming immediatly after marriage.> > > > 10)dasa santhi nirnayam> > > > see in both horoscopes same period dasa ends within 6 months > to > > one> > > years ends .See next dasa is maraka, or papa or weak then those> > > horoscopes shud not b matched> > > > same period dasa of enemy of lagna lord is happening and see > its> > > promise in the horoscope.> > > > same period dasa of mutualy enemys like sun in and sani in > > another or> > > rahu in one guru or venus and guru> > > > see the period of marakas in each horoscope and should not run> > > together at one time> > > > Also ones maraka dasa and anothers weak dasa of 7th lord or> > > karaka,like papayuta,papakartari,neecha etc should not happen at > > same> > > time.> > > > if malefics r in 8th house which can cause vaidhavya> > (widowhood),see> > > the 8th lord and see in whose house he attained in navamsa -in > his> > > naisargika dasa can giv the effects.like moon within a year,mars > > within> > > two year sun 50years ,guru-18th years after marriage> > > > or it can giv in dasa of malefics in 8th house> > > > then santana chinta (progency) and prosperity and yoga chinta -> > like> > > this all kinds of stuff frm two horoscopes,longitivity should b> > > calculated firstly before matchting> > > > then i hav see an elaborate prashna whether there is > > daivaanukulyam> > > (wish of god ) for this union and see all kinds of nimittas and > > omens> > > > Now a days nimittas can happen only in villages and in towns > its > > at> > > the discreation of astrologer to add or deduct according to his> > > experience and reasoning power .> > > > all good omens like bringings of perfumes,sandal and > > kumkum,somebody> > > is bringing mangal sutra,gold or new dress,married ladies or > couples> > > coming,seeing of astamangala materials,some come singing,mangala > > dwani> > > like sankh(conch),bells ringing,cows > coming,elephant,royals,horses > > all> > > are considerd good.> > > > some nimittas are bad which needs special attention> > > > seeing somebody puts his finger in some hole or in > nose /seeing > > some> > > animals/birds mating --suddenly jyothishi can say not > reccommended > > for> > > matching.(actualy i find all this depends on upasana balam ( > > spiritual> > > power ) of jyothishi)> > > >> > > > I hope it can giv some what clear idea abt matching and see > its > > not a> > > Soft ware job .It needs a good calibre jyothishi and who learned > a > > good> > > amnt of astro principles .> > > >> > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > Download prohibited? 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Guest guest Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 Dear Kiran ji, If some one interprets that the statement "Jupiter in 12th house may make a woman a widow" - will hold good 100% in all situations without even considering the dasa and sign; then it is simply his ignorance. There is no need to say each and every time that before speaking out the results one should ensure that the result is Dridha (i.e. a Yoga supported by Dasa and Transit as well) and also that Dwi-Tri samvada bhava (2 or more combinations pointing to the same results) are met - these two the primary and very very basic lessons in astrology - failing with even if one knows 1000 slokas or even if he assumes that he is well versed in astrology he cannot predict even a single result correctly - this is a point one should remember.Love and regards,Sreenadh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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