Guest guest Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 Dear Sreenadh ji, * Is it because Jupiter owns 2nd and 11th houses from Aquarius, and because of that will produce beneficial results? If it is the above reason....would Mercury in Leo produce such beneficial results since it owns 2nd and 11th houses from Leo? But of course to support - Jupiter in Aquarius - you brought out a number of possibilities blessings Renu , "renunw" <renunw wrote:>> Dear Sreenadh ji,> > "Kumbhe Karkatavat" (if in Aquarius Jupiter gives results similar to > in cancer; i.e. Jupiter in Aquarius is as strong as in Cancer) of > Brihat Jataka of Mihira. "> > Can you , "Sreenadh" <sreesog wrote:>> > Dear Renu ji,> ==>> > "Kumbhe Karkatavat" (if in Aquarius Jupiter gives results similar to> > in cancer; i.e. Jupiter in Aquarius is as strong as in Cancer) of> > Brihat Jataka of Mihira. "> > Can you please explain the reason for this?> <==> Danger!!! Bhas gaya!! [] The easy way out is - I don't know [:">]> [] [;]> > Ok - May be -> * because Aquarius is 11th in NH and 11th is good for all planets?> * because 9th lord in 11th as per NH is good? Also is it because 11th> is 3rd (Upachaya house) from 9th?> * Is it because Jupiter owns 2nd and 11th houses from Aquarius, and> because of that will produce beneficial results?> * Is it because Jupiter's and Saturn's exaltation houses are in 4-10> axis and when connected they can become Paraspara karaka (mutual> significator) and thus Jupiter in Aquarius is similar to Jupiter in> Cancer? Then why not the same told for Jupiter in Libra (the exaltation> house of Saturn)?> * Or is it because, for Jupiter in Cancer - 9th lord from Cancer (Ju)> is exalted in Cancer; and on the contrary for Jupiter in Aquarius (but> giving similar results) - the lagna lord (Sa) is exalted in 9th from> Aquarius (in Libra)?> * For Jupiter in cancer, the lagna lord is exalted in 11th and> Jupiter owns 9th; Similarly for Jupiter in Aquarius, Jupiter owns 11th> and the lagna lord is exalted in 9th.> There could be a variety of reasons or logics behind - but to be brief> - your question, baffled me to no end, and threw me in no man's (no, not> even women's) land!! [] But that was a wonderful question!! [=D>] > Now let other logicians find there wits end.. [] and I too will> stand-watch and enjoy! []> Love and regards,> Sreenadh> > > , "renunw" renunw@> wrote:> >> > Dear Sreenadh ji,> >> > "Kumbhe Karkatavat" (if in Aquarius Jupiter gives results similar to> > in cancer; i.e. Jupiter in Aquarius is as strong as in Cancer) of> > Brihat Jataka of Mihira. "> >> > Can you please explain the reason for this?> >> > Jupiter gets debilitated in one sign owned by Saturn but in the> > other sign owned by Sa it is as strong as if its exalted. There> > should be a good and interesting logic behind this.... of which I am> > ignorant. I tried to analyze...nakshastra, Kalapurusha etc.etc. but> > failed.> >> > Hence awaiting your response....thanks.> >> > blessings> >> > Renu> >> >> >> >> > , "Sreenadh"> > sreesog@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear Neelam ji,> > >> > > Yes - the reference provided by Durga ji is "Kumbhe Karkatavat"> > (if in> > > Aquarius Jupiter gives results similar to in cancer; i.e. Jupiter> > in> > > Aquarius is as strong as in Cancer) of Brihat Jataka of Mihira.> > >> > > It is a very joyous experience to have a scholar well versed in> > > scriptures like Durga ji to be in the group.> > >> > > Love and regards,> > > Sreenadh> > >> > > , "durga050"> > > <durga050@> wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Neelamji,> > > >> > > > Namastae,> > > >> > > > Though vakra , Jupiter is in vargottama and is in aquarius (when> > it> > > > comes to Bala or strength , aquarius jupiter is at par with> > jupiter in> > > > cancer , its exaltation sign )> > > >> > > > Durga> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > , "neelam gupta"> > > > neelamgupta07@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Members,> > > > > This is another case of a retrograde jupiter in lagna:> > > > > Female: 17.8.1962/19.00/Delhi> > > > > In this case Jup retrogrades in aquarius lagna with moon in> > lagna,> > > 7H> > > > has> > > > > sun and mer, 5 with mars, 6H rahu, 8H ven, and 12H ketu & sat> > ®> > > > > Here in contrast to Vijay's case, the lady is traditional, very> > > > religious,> > > > > shiv bhakt, does regular paths at home, of helping nature. She> > is> > > > goodness> > > > > personified,> > > > > Regarding looks, she is good looking, light eyes (honey> > coloured),> > > > broad> > > > > shoulders, tall and stout> > > > > Good education, works, but priority is family and children (not> > > > overtly> > > > > ambitious regarding work)> > > > > The difference here appears to be the placement of moon with> > > Jupiter.> > > > > Jupiter-moon conjunction makes a person highly religious. They> > are> > > the> > > > ones> > > > > who bend their heads when passing by a temple. They cannot say> > no to> > > > anyone> > > > > seeking their help.> > > > > However, not forgetting the lordships, a retro jupiter> > (2L/11L),> > > with> > > > 6L in> > > > > lagna has surely given her constant health problems.> > > > > Regards> > > > > Neelam> > > > >> > > > > On 24/01/2008, Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Sheevani ji,> > > > > > Nice description.. [image: ] Well said. [image: ]> > > > > > Yes, if the Jupiter Centrics are going to the details they> > should> > > > > > consider all the signs with Jupiter in lagna and assess how> > the> > > > effect> > > > > > varies - just a suggestion. [image: ]> > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > --- In> > , "sheevani147"> > > > > > sheevani147@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > re.. Jupiter in lagna..> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I know 2 persons (both females) with Jupiter in lagna..> > both> > > seem> > > > to> > > > > > > be slim, have small chests and wide hips but other physical> > > > features> > > > > > > differ..> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 1st.. short, darker skintone, thick hair(coarse),, very> > > determined> > > > > > > obsessive nature, secretive,, not too concern with morals> > in> > > > private> > > > > > > life,( unmarrried mother of 2 kids), yet puts up a front> > of of> > > > 'goody> > > > > > > two shoes' Lagna is scopio, with jupiter and mercury..> > Mars and> > > > sun> > > > > > > in 12H and shani in 2H.. therefore lagna hemmed between> > > malefics..> > > > > > > Moon/ketu in 5H.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 2nd.. is tall, light skinned, broad shouldered, has air of> > > > arrogance.> > > > > > > very atheletic, keen on sports, plays sports too.. varied> > > > interests,> > > > > > > likes and dislikes very obvious.. very intelligent,> > dresses for> > > > > > > comfort rather than dress to impress.. Lagna is Aquarius,> > with> > > > only> > > > > > > jupiter,, Jupiter aspects venus in gemini in 5H.. and ketu> > in> > > 9H..> > > > > > > Shani aspects jupiter from 10H> > > > > > >> > > > > > > And yes yes Jupiter aspecting venus in Gemini==. she is> > very> > > > musical,> > > > > > > plays several instuments and has a good voice, good at> > mimicry> > > too> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Amother point of interest,, both these person studied LAW> > at> > > > > > > university..> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > Sheevani> > > > > > >> > > > > > > , "Sreenadh"> > > > > > > sreesog@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Renu ji,> > > > > > > > Well said! :=)> > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > , "renunw"> > > > <renunw@>> > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > Re: Jupiter in Lagna + Music> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > "Jupiter in lagna in the Nakshastra of VENUS.> > > > > > > > <==> > > > > > > > I object!! Nakshatra we are not considering currently!> > > > > > > > ==>> > > > > > > > > In Navamsa Jupiter is aspected by VENUS. So the> > connection> > > > > > > expressed> > > > > > > > by Sreeram ji is> > > > > > > > > valid to this horoscope.> > > > > > > > <==> > > > > > > > I object!! In Navamsa aspect is NOT considered, and so> > the> > > > > > > argument> > > > > > > > stands cancelled. ;)"> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I thought it is usually the duty of the lawyer/lawyers> > [Arjun> > > ji> > > > & > > > > > > > > Sreenivas ji] to object to any argument brought out by> > the> > > other> > > > > > > party.> > > > > > > > I consider you as the judge in all these cases...and you> > could> > > > have> > > > > > > > overruled or sustained the objection, if and when brought> > > about> > > > by> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > learned members in this case [thread].> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Anyway the statement by Sreenivas ji was:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > "Jupiter in Lagna has NO relation to music, unless it is> > > > conected to> > > > > > > > Venus in some respect. Kindly provide the birth data {> > Lagna,> > > > > > > Planets> > > > > > > > in Lagna, planets aspecting the Lagna, Jupiter placement> > in a> > > > > > > house, its> > > > > > > > amsa position}"> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Hon. Sir, it was the learned counsel who has invited to> > > provide> > > > > > > birth> > > > > > > > data where Jupiter has some connection to Venus even in> > its> > > Amsa> > > > > > > > Position.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > So I appeal to consider your objection once again.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Thank you sir > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > blessings> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Renu> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > @> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > --- In> > , "Sreenadh"> > > > > > > > > sreesog@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Renu ji,> > > > > > > > > > ==>> > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter in lagna in the Nakshastra of VENUS.> > > > > > > > > > <==> > > > > > > > > > I object!! Nakshatra we are not considering> > currently!> > > > > > > > > > ==>> > > > > > > > > > > In Navamsa Jupiter is aspected by VENUS. So the> > > connection> > > > > > > > expressed> > > > > > > > > > by Sreeram ji is> > > > > > > > > > > valid to this horoscope.> > > > > > > > > > <==> > > > > > > > > > I object!! In Navamsa aspect is NOT considered, and> > so the> > > > > > > argument> > > > > > > > > > stands cancelled. > > > > > > > > > > ==>> > > > > > > > > > > He is a good singer and plays musical instruments,> > > > especially> > > > > > > > piano> > > > > > > > > > > and organ well. Possesses a very good voice. A good> > > orator> > > > > > > too.> > > > > > > > > > <==> > > > > > > > > > And I wonder, does it goes in favor of Sorabh ji? > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > --- In> > , "renunw"> > > > > > > renunw@> > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sorabh ji and Sreeram ji> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > I quote the following lines by Sreeram ji and> > would give> > > > an> > > > > > > > example> > > > > > > > > > > horoscope.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > "Jupiter in Lagna has NO relation to music, unless> > it is> > > > > > > connected> > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > Venus in some respect.'> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > 14th Dec, 1984 at 8.26 AM in Colombo, Sri Lanka.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter in lagna in the Nakshastra of VENUS. In> > Navamsa> > > > > > > Jupiter is> > > > > > > > > > > aspected by VENUS. So the connection expressed by> > > Sreeram> > > > ji> > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > valid to this horoscope.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > He is a good singer and plays musical instruments,> > > > especially> > > > > > > > piano> > > > > > > > > > > and organ well. Possesses a very good voice. A good> > > orator> > > > > > > too.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > blessings> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Renu> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ,> > > "sreeram> > > > > > > > srinivas"> > > > > > > > > > > sreeram64@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr - Mr Sorabh Sharma ji,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter in Lagna has NO relation to music,> > unless it> > > is> > > > > > > conected> > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > Venus in some respect. Kindly provide the birth> > data {> > > > > > > Lagna,> > > > > > > > > > > Planets> > > > > > > > > > > > in Lagna, planets aspecting the Lagna, Jupiter> > > placement> > > > in> > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > > house, its> > > > > > > > > > > > amsa position}> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > With regards,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Sreeram_Srinivas> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ,> > > > > > > > "mrsorabhsharma"> > > > > > > > > > > > <mrsorabhsharma@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shreenadh> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > If i may make a contribution regarding this> > matter - I> > > > have> > > > > > > > found> > > > > > > > > > > > that jupiter in the lagna and strong mercury> > placement> > > -> > > > or> > > > > > > > > jupiter> > > > > > > > > > > > aspecting lagna lord or lagna gives strong> > musical> > > > > > > interests.> > > > > > > > This> > > > > > > > > > > > can be found in many musician charts also -> > including> > > > lata> > > > > > > > > > > > mangeshkar and micheal jackson.But what is the> > > > signficance> > > > > > > of a> > > > > > > > > > > > planet like jupiter with music? I would love your> > > > thoughts> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Many thanks Kind regards> > > > > > > > > > > > Sorabh SHarma> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2008 Report Share Posted January 25, 2008 Dear Renu ji, Ofcourse Mercury in Leo is good. :)Love adn regards,Sreenadh , "renunw" <renunw wrote: Re: Jupiter in Aquarius Dear Sreenadh ji, * Is it because Jupiter owns 2nd and 11th houses from Aquarius, and because of that will produce beneficial results? If it is the above reason....would Mercury in Leo produce such beneficial results since it owns 2nd and 11th houses from Leo? But of course to support - Jupiter in Aquarius - you brought out a number of possibilities blessings Renu > , "renunw" renunw@> wrote:> >> > Dear Sreenadh ji,> >> > "Kumbhe Karkatavat" (if in Aquarius Jupiter gives results similar to> > in cancer; i.e. Jupiter in Aquarius is as strong as in Cancer) of> > Brihat Jataka of Mihira. "> >> > Can you> , "Sreenadh"> sreesog@ wrote:> >> >> > Dear Renu ji,> > ==>> > > "Kumbhe Karkatavat" (if in Aquarius Jupiter gives results similar to> > > in cancer; i.e. Jupiter in Aquarius is as strong as in Cancer) of> > > Brihat Jataka of Mihira. "> > > Can you please explain the reason for this?> > <==> > Danger!!! Bhas gaya!! [] The easy way out is - I don't know [:">]> > [] [;]> >> > Ok - May be -> > * because Aquarius is 11th in NH and 11th is good for all planets?> > * because 9th lord in 11th as per NH is good? Also is it because 11th> > is 3rd (Upachaya house) from 9th?> > * Is it because Jupiter owns 2nd and 11th houses from Aquarius, and> > because of that will produce beneficial results?> > * Is it because Jupiter's and Saturn's exaltation houses are in 4-10> > axis and when connected they can become Paraspara karaka (mutual> > significator) and thus Jupiter in Aquarius is similar to Jupiter in> > Cancer? Then why not the same told for Jupiter in Libra (the> exaltation> > house of Saturn)?> > * Or is it because, for Jupiter in Cancer - 9th lord from Cancer (Ju)> > is exalted in Cancer; and on the contrary for Jupiter in Aquarius (but> > giving similar results) - the lagna lord (Sa) is exalted in 9th from> > Aquarius (in Libra)?> > * For Jupiter in cancer, the lagna lord is exalted in 11th and> > Jupiter owns 9th; Similarly for Jupiter in Aquarius, Jupiter owns 11th> > and the lagna lord is exalted in 9th.> > There could be a variety of reasons or logics behind - but to be brief> > - your question, baffled me to no end, and threw me in no man's (no,> not> > even women's) land!! [] But that was a wonderful question!! [=D>]> > Now let other logicians find there wits end.. [] and I too will> > stand-watch and enjoy! []> > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> >> >> > , "renunw" renunw@> > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > >> > > "Kumbhe Karkatavat" (if in Aquarius Jupiter gives results similar to> > > in cancer; i.e. Jupiter in Aquarius is as strong as in Cancer) of> > > Brihat Jataka of Mihira. "> > >> > > Can you please explain the reason for this?> > >> > > Jupiter gets debilitated in one sign owned by Saturn but in the> > > other sign owned by Sa it is as strong as if its exalted. There> > > should be a good and interesting logic behind this.... of which I am> > > ignorant. I tried to analyze...nakshastra, Kalapurusha etc.etc. but> > > failed.> > >> > > Hence awaiting your response....thanks.> > >> > > blessings> > >> > > Renu> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > , "Sreenadh"> > > sreesog@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Neelam ji,> > > >> > > > Yes - the reference provided by Durga ji is "Kumbhe Karkatavat"> > > (if in> > > > Aquarius Jupiter gives results similar to in cancer; i.e. Jupiter> > > in> > > > Aquarius is as strong as in Cancer) of Brihat Jataka of Mihira.> > > >> > > > It is a very joyous experience to have a scholar well versed in> > > > scriptures like Durga ji to be in the group.> > > >> > > > Love and regards,> > > > Sreenadh> > > >> > > > , "durga050"> > > > <durga050@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Neelamji,> > > > >> > > > > Namastae,> > > > >> > > > > Though vakra , Jupiter is in vargottama and is in aquarius (when> > > it> > > > > comes to Bala or strength , aquarius jupiter is at par with> > > jupiter in> > > > > cancer , its exaltation sign )> > > > >> > > > > Durga> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > , "neelam gupta"> > > > > neelamgupta07@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Members,> > > > > > This is another case of a retrograde jupiter in lagna:> > > > > > Female: 17.8.1962/19.00/Delhi> > > > > > In this case Jup retrogrades in aquarius lagna with moon in> > > lagna,> > > > 7H> > > > > has> > > > > > sun and mer, 5 with mars, 6H rahu, 8H ven, and 12H ketu & sat> > > ®> > > > > > Here in contrast to Vijay's case, the lady is traditional,> very> > > > > religious,> > > > > > shiv bhakt, does regular paths at home, of helping nature. She> > > is> > > > > goodness> > > > > > personified,> > > > > > Regarding looks, she is good looking, light eyes (honey> > > coloured),> > > > > broad> > > > > > shoulders, tall and stout> > > > > > Good education, works, but priority is family and children> (not> > > > > overtly> > > > > > ambitious regarding work)> > > > > > The difference here appears to be the placement of moon with> > > > Jupiter.> > > > > > Jupiter-moon conjunction makes a person highly religious. They> > > are> > > > the> > > > > ones> > > > > > who bend their heads when passing by a temple. They cannot say> > > no to> > > > > anyone> > > > > > seeking their help.> > > > > > However, not forgetting the lordships, a retro jupiter> > > (2L/11L),> > > > with> > > > > 6L in> > > > > > lagna has surely given her constant health problems.> > > > > > Regards> > > > > > Neelam> > > > > >> > > > > > On 24/01/2008, Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Sheevani ji,> > > > > > > Nice description.. [image: ] Well said. [image: ]> > > > > > > Yes, if the Jupiter Centrics are going to the details they> > > should> > > > > > > consider all the signs with Jupiter in lagna and assess how> > > the> > > > > effect> > > > > > > varies - just a suggestion. [image: ]> > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > --- In> > > , "sheevani147"> > > > > > > sheevani147@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > re.. Jupiter in lagna..> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I know 2 persons (both females) with Jupiter in lagna..> > > both> > > > seem> > > > > to> > > > > > > > be slim, have small chests and wide hips but other> physical> > > > > features> > > > > > > > differ..> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 1st.. short, darker skintone, thick hair(coarse),, very> > > > determined> > > > > > > > obsessive nature, secretive,, not too concern with morals> > > in> > > > > private> > > > > > > > life,( unmarrried mother of 2 kids), yet puts up a front> > > of of> > > > > 'goody> > > > > > > > two shoes' Lagna is scopio, with jupiter and mercury..> > > Mars and> > > > > sun> > > > > > > > in 12H and shani in 2H.. therefore lagna hemmed between> > > > malefics..> > > > > > > > Moon/ketu in 5H.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 2nd.. is tall, light skinned, broad shouldered, has air of> > > > > arrogance.> > > > > > > > very atheletic, keen on sports, plays sports too.. varied> > > > > interests,> > > > > > > > likes and dislikes very obvious.. very intelligent,> > > dresses for> > > > > > > > comfort rather than dress to impress.. Lagna is Aquarius,> > > with> > > > > only> > > > > > > > jupiter,, Jupiter aspects venus in gemini in 5H.. and ketu> > > in> > > > 9H..> > > > > > > > Shani aspects jupiter from 10H> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > And yes yes Jupiter aspecting venus in Gemini==. she is> > > very> > > > > musical,> > > > > > > > plays several instuments and has a good voice, good at> > > mimicry> > > > too> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Amother point of interest,, both these person studied LAW> > > at> > > > > > > > university..> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > Sheevani> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ,> "Sreenadh"> > > > > > > > sreesog@ wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Renu ji,> > > > > > > > > Well said! :=)> > > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ,> "renunw"> > > > > <renunw@>> > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > Re: Jupiter in Lagna + Music> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > "Jupiter in lagna in the Nakshastra of VENUS.> > > > > > > > > <==> > > > > > > > > I object!! Nakshatra we are not considering currently!> > > > > > > > > ==>> > > > > > > > > > In Navamsa Jupiter is aspected by VENUS. So the> > > connection> > > > > > > > expressed> > > > > > > > > by Sreeram ji is> > > > > > > > > > valid to this horoscope.> > > > > > > > > <==> > > > > > > > > I object!! In Navamsa aspect is NOT considered, and so> > > the> > > > > > > > argument> > > > > > > > > stands cancelled. ;)"> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I thought it is usually the duty of the lawyer/lawyers> > > [Arjun> > > > ji> > > > > & > > > > > > > > > Sreenivas ji] to object to any argument brought out by> > > the> > > > other> > > > > > > > party.> > > > > > > > > I consider you as the judge in all these cases...and you> > > could> > > > > have> > > > > > > > > overruled or sustained the objection, if and when> brought> > > > about> > > > > by> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > learned members in this case [thread].> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Anyway the statement by Sreenivas ji was:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > "Jupiter in Lagna has NO relation to music, unless it is> > > > > conected to> > > > > > > > > Venus in some respect. Kindly provide the birth data {> > > Lagna,> > > > > > > > Planets> > > > > > > > > in Lagna, planets aspecting the Lagna, Jupiter placement> > > in a> > > > > > > > house, its> > > > > > > > > amsa position}"> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Hon. Sir, it was the learned counsel who has invited to> > > > provide> > > > > > > > birth> > > > > > > > > data where Jupiter has some connection to Venus even in> > > its> > > > Amsa> > > > > > > > > Position.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > So I appeal to consider your objection once again.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Thank you sir > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > blessings> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Renu> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > @> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > --- In> > > , "Sreenadh"> > > > > > > > > > sreesog@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Renu ji,> > > > > > > > > > > ==>> > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter in lagna in the Nakshastra of VENUS.> > > > > > > > > > > <==> > > > > > > > > > > I object!! Nakshatra we are not considering> > > currently!> > > > > > > > > > > ==>> > > > > > > > > > > > In Navamsa Jupiter is aspected by VENUS. So the> > > > connection> > > > > > > > > expressed> > > > > > > > > > > by Sreeram ji is> > > > > > > > > > > > valid to this horoscope.> > > > > > > > > > > <==> > > > > > > > > > > I object!! In Navamsa aspect is NOT considered, and> > > so the> > > > > > > > argument> > > > > > > > > > > stands cancelled. > > > > > > > > > > > ==>> > > > > > > > > > > > He is a good singer and plays musical instruments,> > > > > especially> > > > > > > > > piano> > > > > > > > > > > > and organ well. Possesses a very good voice. A> good> > > > orator> > > > > > > > too.> > > > > > > > > > > <==> > > > > > > > > > > And I wonder, does it goes in favor of Sorabh ji? > > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > --- In> > > , "renunw"> > > > > > > > renunw@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sorabh ji and Sreeram ji> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > I quote the following lines by Sreeram ji and> > > would give> > > > > an> > > > > > > > > example> > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > "Jupiter in Lagna has NO relation to music, unless> > > it is> > > > > > > > connected> > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > Venus in some respect.'> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > 14th Dec, 1984 at 8.26 AM in Colombo, Sri Lanka.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter in lagna in the Nakshastra of VENUS. In> > > Navamsa> > > > > > > > Jupiter is> > > > > > > > > > > > aspected by VENUS. So the connection expressed by> > > > Sreeram> > > > > ji> > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > valid to this horoscope.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > He is a good singer and plays musical instruments,> > > > > especially> > > > > > > > > piano> > > > > > > > > > > > and organ well. Possesses a very good voice. A> good> > > > orator> > > > > > > > too.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > blessings> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Renu> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ,> > > > "sreeram> > > > > > > > > srinivas"> > > > > > > > > > > > sreeram64@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr - Mr Sorabh Sharma ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter in Lagna has NO relation to music,> > > unless it> > > > is> > > > > > > > conected> > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus in some respect. Kindly provide the birth> > > data {> > > > > > > > Lagna,> > > > > > > > > > > > Planets> > > > > > > > > > > > > in Lagna, planets aspecting the Lagna, Jupiter> > > > placement> > > > > in> > > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > > > house, its> > > > > > > > > > > > > amsa position}> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > With regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreeram_Srinivas> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ,> > > > > > > > > "mrsorabhsharma"> > > > > > > > > > > > > <mrsorabhsharma@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shreenadh> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > If i may make a contribution regarding this> > > matter - I> > > > > have> > > > > > > > > found> > > > > > > > > > > > > that jupiter in the lagna and strong mercury> > > placement> > > > -> > > > > or> > > > > > > > > > jupiter> > > > > > > > > > > > > aspecting lagna lord or lagna gives strong> > > musical> > > > > > > > interests.> > > > > > > > > This> > > > > > > > > > > > > can be found in many musician charts also -> > > including> > > > > lata> > > > > > > > > > > > > mangeshkar and micheal jackson.But what is the> > > > > signficance> > > > > > > > of a> > > > > > > > > > > > > planet like jupiter with music? I would love> your> > > > > thoughts> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Many thanks Kind regards> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorabh SHarma> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2008 Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 Dear Renu ji, Let me try to analyze this with different points in consideration Jupiter in Aquarius means * Jupiter in neutral house - Saturn is lord of Aquarius * Let us see if planet and sign indicate same thing. Jupiter stands for Knowledge, Happiness, Benefic things, priest, male, ethery element (wisdom, knowledge), saatwik nature, fat, muscles. Aquarius is a stira/fixed rasi and is stable/constant. It is an airy rasi (Wandering/free spirit), it is a tamasik sign (darkness), night time rasi, and represents worker sign. So clearly, Jupiter and Aquarius do not signify the same things and so Jupiter in Aquarius is not a good placement. * Let us see what the sastras say: Saravali says: JUPITER IN CAPRICORN. Jupiter in Capricorn denotes, that the native will be less virile, will experience much grief and difficulties, will be mean in conduct, be a dunce, will meet a bad end, will suffer from penury, will serve others, will be bereft of auspiciousness, mercy, purity, affection to his relatives and of religion, will have an emaciated body, be timid, interested in living in other countries and be depressed of spirits. So clearly Jupiter in Aquarius is bad placement Regards Kiran , " renunw " <renunw wrote: > > > Dear Sreenadh ji, > > > * Is it because Jupiter owns 2nd and 11th houses from Aquarius, and > because of that will produce beneficial results? > > If it is the above reason....would Mercury in Leo produce such > beneficial results since it owns 2nd and 11th houses from Leo? > > But of course to support - Jupiter in Aquarius - you brought out a > number of possibilities > > blessings > > Renu > > > > , " renunw " <renunw@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji, > > > > " Kumbhe Karkatavat " (if in Aquarius Jupiter gives results similar to > > in cancer; i.e. Jupiter in Aquarius is as strong as in Cancer) of > > Brihat Jataka of Mihira. " > > > > Can you > , " Sreenadh " > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Renu ji, > > ==> > > > " Kumbhe Karkatavat " (if in Aquarius Jupiter gives results similar to > > > in cancer; i.e. Jupiter in Aquarius is as strong as in Cancer) of > > > Brihat Jataka of Mihira. " > > > Can you please explain the reason for this? > > <== > > Danger!!! Bhas gaya!! [] The easy way out is - I don't know [: " >] > > [] [;] > > > > Ok - May be - > > * because Aquarius is 11th in NH and 11th is good for all planets? > > * because 9th lord in 11th as per NH is good? Also is it because 11th > > is 3rd (Upachaya house) from 9th? > > * Is it because Jupiter owns 2nd and 11th houses from Aquarius, and > > because of that will produce beneficial results? > > * Is it because Jupiter's and Saturn's exaltation houses are in 4-10 > > axis and when connected they can become Paraspara karaka (mutual > > significator) and thus Jupiter in Aquarius is similar to Jupiter in > > Cancer? Then why not the same told for Jupiter in Libra (the > exaltation > > house of Saturn)? > > * Or is it because, for Jupiter in Cancer - 9th lord from Cancer (Ju) > > is exalted in Cancer; and on the contrary for Jupiter in Aquarius (but > > giving similar results) - the lagna lord (Sa) is exalted in 9th from > > Aquarius (in Libra)? > > * For Jupiter in cancer, the lagna lord is exalted in 11th and > > Jupiter owns 9th; Similarly for Jupiter in Aquarius, Jupiter owns 11th > > and the lagna lord is exalted in 9th. > > There could be a variety of reasons or logics behind - but to be brief > > - your question, baffled me to no end, and threw me in no man's (no, > not > > even women's) land!! [] But that was a wonderful question!! [=D>] > > Now let other logicians find there wits end.. [] and I too will > > stand-watch and enjoy! [] > > Love and regards, > > Sreenadh > > > > > > , " renunw " renunw@ > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji, > > > > > > " Kumbhe Karkatavat " (if in Aquarius Jupiter gives results similar to > > > in cancer; i.e. Jupiter in Aquarius is as strong as in Cancer) of > > > Brihat Jataka of Mihira. " > > > > > > Can you please explain the reason for this? > > > > > > Jupiter gets debilitated in one sign owned by Saturn but in the > > > other sign owned by Sa it is as strong as if its exalted. There > > > should be a good and interesting logic behind this.... of which I am > > > ignorant. I tried to analyze...nakshastra, Kalapurusha etc.etc. but > > > failed. > > > > > > Hence awaiting your response....thanks. > > > > > > blessings > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Sreenadh " > > > sreesog@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Neelam ji, > > > > > > > > Yes - the reference provided by Durga ji is " Kumbhe Karkatavat " > > > (if in > > > > Aquarius Jupiter gives results similar to in cancer; i.e. Jupiter > > > in > > > > Aquarius is as strong as in Cancer) of Brihat Jataka of Mihira. > > > > > > > > It is a very joyous experience to have a scholar well versed in > > > > scriptures like Durga ji to be in the group. > > > > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > , " durga050 " > > > > <durga050@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelamji, > > > > > > > > > > Namastae, > > > > > > > > > > Though vakra , Jupiter is in vargottama and is in aquarius (when > > > it > > > > > comes to Bala or strength , aquarius jupiter is at par with > > > jupiter in > > > > > cancer , its exaltation sign ) > > > > > > > > > > Durga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " neelam gupta " > > > > > neelamgupta07@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > This is another case of a retrograde jupiter in lagna: > > > > > > Female: 17.8.1962/19.00/Delhi > > > > > > In this case Jup retrogrades in aquarius lagna with moon in > > > lagna, > > > > 7H > > > > > has > > > > > > sun and mer, 5 with mars, 6H rahu, 8H ven, and 12H ketu & sat > > > ® > > > > > > Here in contrast to Vijay's case, the lady is traditional, > very > > > > > religious, > > > > > > shiv bhakt, does regular paths at home, of helping nature. She > > > is > > > > > goodness > > > > > > personified, > > > > > > Regarding looks, she is good looking, light eyes (honey > > > coloured), > > > > > broad > > > > > > shoulders, tall and stout > > > > > > Good education, works, but priority is family and children > (not > > > > > overtly > > > > > > ambitious regarding work) > > > > > > The difference here appears to be the placement of moon with > > > > Jupiter. > > > > > > Jupiter-moon conjunction makes a person highly religious. They > > > are > > > > the > > > > > ones > > > > > > who bend their heads when passing by a temple. They cannot say > > > no to > > > > > anyone > > > > > > seeking their help. > > > > > > However, not forgetting the lordships, a retro jupiter > > > (2L/11L), > > > > with > > > > > 6L in > > > > > > lagna has surely given her constant health problems. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > On 24/01/2008, Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sheevani ji, > > > > > > > Nice description.. [image: ] Well said. [image: ] > > > > > > > Yes, if the Jupiter Centrics are going to the details they > > > should > > > > > > > consider all the signs with Jupiter in lagna and assess how > > > the > > > > > effect > > > > > > > varies - just a suggestion. [image: ] > > > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > , " sheevani147 " > > > > > > > sheevani147@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > re.. Jupiter in lagna.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know 2 persons (both females) with Jupiter in lagna.. > > > both > > > > seem > > > > > to > > > > > > > > be slim, have small chests and wide hips but other > physical > > > > > features > > > > > > > > differ.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1st.. short, darker skintone, thick hair(coarse),, very > > > > determined > > > > > > > > obsessive nature, secretive,, not too concern with morals > > > in > > > > > private > > > > > > > > life,( unmarrried mother of 2 kids), yet puts up a front > > > of of > > > > > 'goody > > > > > > > > two shoes' Lagna is scopio, with jupiter and mercury.. > > > Mars and > > > > > sun > > > > > > > > in 12H and shani in 2H.. therefore lagna hemmed between > > > > malefics.. > > > > > > > > Moon/ketu in 5H. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd.. is tall, light skinned, broad shouldered, has air of > > > > > arrogance. > > > > > > > > very atheletic, keen on sports, plays sports too.. varied > > > > > interests, > > > > > > > > likes and dislikes very obvious.. very intelligent, > > > dresses for > > > > > > > > comfort rather than dress to impress.. Lagna is Aquarius, > > > with > > > > > only > > > > > > > > jupiter,, Jupiter aspects venus in gemini in 5H.. and ketu > > > in > > > > 9H.. > > > > > > > > Shani aspects jupiter from 10H > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And yes yes Jupiter aspecting venus in Gemini==. she is > > > very > > > > > musical, > > > > > > > > plays several instuments and has a good voice, good at > > > mimicry > > > > too > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amother point of interest,, both these person studied LAW > > > at > > > > > > > > university.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Sheevani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > " Sreenadh " > > > > > > > > sreesog@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Renu ji, > > > > > > > > > Well said! :=) > > > > > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > " renunw " > > > > > <renunw@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Re: Jupiter in Lagna + Music > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Jupiter in lagna in the Nakshastra of VENUS. > > > > > > > > > <== > > > > > > > > > I object!! Nakshatra we are not considering currently! > > > > > > > > > ==> > > > > > > > > > > In Navamsa Jupiter is aspected by VENUS. So the > > > connection > > > > > > > > expressed > > > > > > > > > by Sreeram ji is > > > > > > > > > > valid to this horoscope. > > > > > > > > > <== > > > > > > > > > I object!! In Navamsa aspect is NOT considered, and so > > > the > > > > > > > > argument > > > > > > > > > stands cancelled. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I thought it is usually the duty of the lawyer/lawyers > > > [Arjun > > > > ji > > > > > & > > > > > > > > > Sreenivas ji] to object to any argument brought out by > > > the > > > > other > > > > > > > > party. > > > > > > > > > I consider you as the judge in all these cases...and you > > > could > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > overruled or sustained the objection, if and when > brought > > > > about > > > > > by > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > learned members in this case [thread]. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway the statement by Sreenivas ji was: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Jupiter in Lagna has NO relation to music, unless it is > > > > > conected to > > > > > > > > > Venus in some respect. Kindly provide the birth data { > > > Lagna, > > > > > > > > Planets > > > > > > > > > in Lagna, planets aspecting the Lagna, Jupiter placement > > > in a > > > > > > > > house, its > > > > > > > > > amsa position} " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hon. Sir, it was the learned counsel who has invited to > > > > provide > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > data where Jupiter has some connection to Venus even in > > > its > > > > Amsa > > > > > > > > > Position. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So I appeal to consider your objection once again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you sir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blessings > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > , " Sreenadh " > > > > > > > > > > sreesog@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Renu ji, > > > > > > > > > > > ==> > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter in lagna in the Nakshastra of VENUS. > > > > > > > > > > > <== > > > > > > > > > > > I object!! Nakshatra we are not considering > > > currently! > > > > > > > > > > > ==> > > > > > > > > > > > > In Navamsa Jupiter is aspected by VENUS. So the > > > > connection > > > > > > > > > expressed > > > > > > > > > > > by Sreeram ji is > > > > > > > > > > > > valid to this horoscope. > > > > > > > > > > > <== > > > > > > > > > > > I object!! In Navamsa aspect is NOT considered, and > > > so the > > > > > > > > argument > > > > > > > > > > > stands cancelled. > > > > > > > > > > > ==> > > > > > > > > > > > > He is a good singer and plays musical instruments, > > > > > especially > > > > > > > > > piano > > > > > > > > > > > > and organ well. Possesses a very good voice. A > good > > > > orator > > > > > > > > too. > > > > > > > > > > > <== > > > > > > > > > > > And I wonder, does it goes in favor of Sorabh ji? > > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > , " renunw " > > > > > > > > renunw@ > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sorabh ji and Sreeram ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I quote the following lines by Sreeram ji and > > > would give > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > example > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Jupiter in Lagna has NO relation to music, unless > > > it is > > > > > > > > connected > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus in some respect.' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 14th Dec, 1984 at 8.26 AM in Colombo, Sri Lanka. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter in lagna in the Nakshastra of VENUS. In > > > Navamsa > > > > > > > > Jupiter is > > > > > > > > > > > > aspected by VENUS. So the connection expressed by > > > > Sreeram > > > > > ji > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > valid to this horoscope. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He is a good singer and plays musical instruments, > > > > > especially > > > > > > > > > piano > > > > > > > > > > > > and organ well. Possesses a very good voice. A > good > > > > orator > > > > > > > > too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blessings > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > " sreeram > > > > > > > > > srinivas " > > > > > > > > > > > > sreeram64@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr - Mr Sorabh Sharma ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter in Lagna has NO relation to music, > > > unless it > > > > is > > > > > > > > conected > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus in some respect. Kindly provide the birth > > > data { > > > > > > > > Lagna, > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets > > > > > > > > > > > > > in Lagna, planets aspecting the Lagna, Jupiter > > > > placement > > > > > in > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > house, its > > > > > > > > > > > > > amsa position} > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreeram_Srinivas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > > > " mrsorabhsharma " > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mrsorabhsharma@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If i may make a contribution regarding this > > > matter - I > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > found > > > > > > > > > > > > > that jupiter in the lagna and strong mercury > > > placement > > > > - > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspecting lagna lord or lagna gives strong > > > musical > > > > > > > > interests. > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > > can be found in many musician charts also - > > > including > > > > > lata > > > > > > > > > > > > > mangeshkar and micheal jackson.But what is the > > > > > signficance > > > > > > > > of a > > > > > > > > > > > > > planet like jupiter with music? I would love > your > > > > > thoughts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many thanks Kind regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorabh SHarma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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