RE:Saturn in 7th house -Education break

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Dear Sreenadh-ji, Renu-ji and other members,

 

In one chart (22/04/87, 6:58, 92E40' & 26N21'), saturn is retro in scorpio

(7H). Lagna is Taurus with Mars in it.

 

He had a break in education during Ra-Ketu-Ketu to Ra-Ven-Ven.

 

The person was trying to get in to MBBS and churned seats in engg

streams where he was selected. Got into the medical stream after

this (Ra-Ven-Ketu).

 

Question of delayed marriage etc. is not relevant here in this case.

 

So, it is not clear how saturn has any role to play (No sat MD /AD).

 

Regards

 

Chakraborty

 

Sreenadh [sreesog]Sunday, January 20, 2008 6:52 PM Subject: Re: Saturn in 7th house (Material for thought) - break in education

 

 

 

Dear Renu ji,> sit twice for the Advanced Level examination during Sa/Sa dasha Before checking the chart itself I have the feeling that it is an ayanamsa related issue and the event must have been in Ju/Ra A possible brim case. If so then the result is in waiting and not arrived yet. But since we are considering only one parameter (Sa in 7th) - the result cannot be emphasised. That will demand checking the chart. Any way I am yet to check the chart, and I will clarify the dasa/Ayanamsa issue after checking the same. Note: Please note that usually no result attributed to a planet gets fructified in its own antara of own dasa. The planet and the possible results then only start climbing the mountain only and not reaching the summit. The climate just start changing only and the effect is not momentary and that is why it is said that "A planet's result can not be expected in its dasa in its own antara (with is the first antara of that dasa)". So with every possibility it may turn out that the said result is not of Saturn - but we will check it. :)Love and regards,Sreenadh , "renunw" <renunw wrote:

Re: Saturn in 7th house (Material for thought) - break in education

Dear Sreenadh ji and Sheevani ji,

''''will face break in education (provided the dasa/antara of Saturn comes in due time).''''

I have a chart of a girl with Saturn not only in 7H but in Scorpio, Mar's house. I feel that instead of breaking her education Sa is energizing it. Of course she had to sit twice for the Advanced Level examination during Sa/Sa dasha and could enter the university only during Sa/Me dasha.

31st May 1986 @ 5.15 AM in Kandy, Sri Lanka.

She is intelligent, pretty, hard working, focused and tight fisted. There is an exchange between LL & 2HL. ..tight fistedness = 2HL in lagna, if I am not confused again.

blessingsRenu> , "Sreenadh"> sreesog@ wrote:> >> > Dear Shivani ji,> > 9th is one of the houses that signify higher education. Saturn in> > 7th house aspects 9th house with its 3rd aspect. This is one of the> > logic behind. Further Saturn's aspect on Lagna 'weakens' the 2nd house> > by robbing it off its inheritance (the inheritance of 2nd house is the> > 12th house from it - that is Lagna) - this could be another logic> > behind. Further note that Saturn in 7th aspects 4th house (education)> with its 10th aspect - this could be another logic behind.> > Note: Logic behind we always need to think and derive; the texts only> > provide the results - and not much guidance on 'how it was derived?'> > We need to brain storm among ourselves to find out the basic logics> > used behind - results that truly actualize (results that are> dependable)> > in real world scenario.> > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> > , "sheevani147"> > sheevani147@ wrote:> > >> > > Namaste Sreenadh ji..> > >> > > ''''will face break in education (provided the dasa/antara of Saturn> > > comes in due time).''''> > >> > > I do not comprehend why shani in 7H will affect the break in> > > education..> > >> > > Yet I have a chart where this is the case and the native is> > > currenting running the Shani MD.. Retro Shani in capricorn 7H,> > > conjuct rahu.. Lagna cancer,,> > >> > > Regards> > > Sheevani> > >> > > , "Sreenadh"> > > sreesog@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear All,> > > > To enritch the discussion I am providing some inputs - RESULTS,> > > > related to Saturn in 7th house. But I would like to clarify one> > > thing> > > > in the outset itself. They are NOT my opinian; but only a> collection> > > > (from various sources) to enrich the discussion. The section given> > > below> > > > contains derivations that will fructify; and some that will not. I> > > > HAVEN'T included the quotes or sections from the major texts I> > > depend> > > > upon regarding the same in providing these results; neither I am> > > trying> > > > to present the logic followed behind the derivations by various> > > authors,> > > > nor trying to protect any of those derivations as unfailing ones.> > > > Another set of results that is not included intentionlay are> > > > conjenction results of Saturn with various planets in 7th house.> > > The> > > > section below contains both gems as well as trash. Collect and> > > separate> > > > the gems based on reality experienced. And mean while - we will> try> > > > analyzing the logic behind each derivations - and their reason for> > > > failure and success as well. The books I didn't add (and which I> > > > depend upon for derivations regarding 'X planet in Y house') are> > > texts> > > > such as Brigu sutra, Chamatkara Chintamani, Garga hora, Saravali> and> > > > BrihatJataka. Of course I will provide an analysis with logics and> > > > quotes from the above texts later - but for now, just providing> > > material> > > > for the fire of discussion to burn with full light. :=) And here> it> > > > goes. Note that this NOT a FINAL reading, regarding the same.> > > > ==========================> > > >> > > > If Saturn is in 7th house the sexual happiness from wife and> wealth> > > > would be less. The native will not give much importance to dress> > > and may> > > > wear shabby cloths or will not follow society-accepted dress> > > codes. He> > > > will suffer much in life, travel much and will suffer scarcity of> > > wealth> > > > many times in life. (But note that hard working people at times> even> > > > turns -ve traits/things positive, in this world of culprits,> > > > Indulging in marketing and business) will face break in education> > > > (provided the dasa/antara of Saturn comes in due time). If Saturn> > > is in> > > > Mars (Aries and Scorpio) then he will lose all his wives (this> > > could be> > > > death or divorce) during Saturn dasa. Except in Libra, Capricorn> > > and> > > > Aquarius the chance of losing all wives is high (emphasis will> > > demand> > > > other combinations indicating the same to be present). Except in> > > these> > > > signs, Saturn in 7th may cause delay in marriage (provided the> dasa> > > of> > > > Saturn comes, also provided Saturn is not aspected by benefics).> > > >> > > > If Saturn is in 7th, the native may not have enough health and> > > > happiness, and he will not experience the pleasure of having a> wife> > > (his> > > > wife will die, or get divorced, or the native may live abroad away> > > from> > > > wife), and he may suffer monetary downfalls, and will wear shabby> > > cloths> > > > or will not follow society accepted dress cords in public, will> > > commit> > > > sins, and will indulge in non-descent jobs in the dasa of Saturn.> > > (This> > > > result is sure to materialize in the dasa of Saturn if Saturn is> > > not in> > > > own house or exalted and also if not aspected by benefics and is> > > > aspected by malefics). Even if Saturn is exalted or in own house> > > then> > > > too if the dasa of Saturn comes this result will materialize to a> > > > limited extend provided the dasa of Saturn occurs.> > > >> > > > If Saturn is exalted (i.e. Libra) and is aspected by benefics then> > > the> > > > death of wife (or divorce) should not be predicted. But instead it> > > > should be predicted that the native will marry either a girl with> > > much> > > > age difference; or that the wife looks much older than actually> she> > > is> > > > (in looks/behavior/sexual attitude); or that he will marry a girl> > > who is> > > > not beautiful as per his own standards; or that there would be> > > delay in> > > > marriage. (If Saturn is exalted it should not be said that the> > > marriage> > > > would he delayed - it is only a possibility). It is also> > possible> > > > that at the end the marriage will happen with a person in relation> > -> > > > i.e. from among the relative, or with a person to whom a relation> > > was> > > > present for long (i.e. love marriage). A Saturn in 7th aspected by> > > > Moon, it can point to the fact that the native may marry a> girl/boy> > > who> > > > is a divorcee/widow or that his/her father/mother would have such> an> > > > experience (provided other combinations also support the same) or> > > that> > > > he/she will marry more than once.> > > >> > > > If Saturn is in 7th the native will not get a proper wife/husband> > -> > > > at least as per society norms. Even if he/she gets a good> > > wife/husband> > > > (means there is a possibility that he/she may get a good> > > wife/husband)> > > > he/she (i.e. wife/husband) may have some disease, or may not live> > > long.> > > > This result too should not be predicted if Saturn is exalted or in> > > own> > > > house.> > > >> > > > If Saturn is in 7th, or if 7th house is aspected by Saturn, then> > > there> > > > is a chance that the native may have diseases related to Pancreas,> > > > Liver, Buttocks (Fistula, skin troubles or venereal diseases) or> > > Sugar.> > > >> > > > If Saturn is in 7th in a women's horoscope, she may not have> > > > children or may have some disease or problems related to Ultras or> > > > Hip/Naval area. If Saturn is present in 7th in a girl's horoscope,> > > > the chance of marriage getting delayed or getting a husband with> > > much> > > > age difference is high, even if Saturn is in its own house or> > > exalted.> > > >> > > > Any way in which sign Saturn is, in the dasa of Saturn it is sure> to> > > > give family problems; but this result shouldn't be told if> > > > Saturn's dasa is not happening. If Saturn is in 7th from Virgo> lagna> > > > in Pisces, aspected by malefics, then for sure lose of wife (death> > > of> > > > wife or divorce) is certain - provided the dasa of Saturn also> > > > occurs.> > > > Since the current discussion is based on Aries Lagna with Saturn> in> > > 7th,> > > > a special reading regarding Aries lagna is given below.> > > > If Saturn is in 7th for Aries lagna, then the native will have a> > > serious> > > > attitude towards everything; will make the native behave in a> mature> > > > manner. He would be dedicated in work, will have enough wealth,> and> > > will> > > > love his wife. If Venus or Mars is present with Saturn then the> > > sexual> > > > urge of the native would be high, and especially in the case of> > > males> > > > this can cause extra material affairs. If Sun or Rahu is present> > > then> > > > during the dasa of Sun or Rahu the native may suffer separation> from> > > > wife. But this result shouldn't be told if there is an exchange> > > > between 5th and 7th lords, and the native will have a love> marriage> > > and> > > > would be much dedicated towards his wife. He will have happy> married> > > > life, with wife children, good house, enough reputation and> > > wealth. In> > > > the dasa of Saturn the native will indulge in new and creative> > > > activities trying to improve his own position, repute and power.> > > This> > > > gives Sasa Yoga (one among the 5 Maha purusha yogas) and gives all> > > good> > > > results related to the same. It should be noted that, 7th lord> > > indicates> > > > the wife, and also that exalted Saturn in 7th imparts his> beneficial> > > > qualities to the native's wife. Thus if 7th lord is strong and> well> > > > placed, (for Venus 12th is good placement for any lagna), the> native> > > > will live a happy and healthy life along with his wife - but> > still> > > > the un-satisfaction in sexual life etc certainly applies to this> > > case> > > > - because his wife will have a cold attitude towards the same;> > where> > > > as the native will have high sexual urge (a quality of Aries> > > lagna). But> > > > if Venus, the 7th lord is debilitated, then things may go upside> > > down> > > > with the native indulging in all kinds of mean business and deeds> > > (with> > > > can turn profitable as well, if other planetary positions support> > > the> > > > same), his wife not getting enough attention.> > > > ==========================> > > >> > > > Please note the following points -> > > > * The expected output of the discussion is - by the end of this> > > > discussion we should be able to say, in 7th what results Saturn> will> > > > give if that 7th happened to be any of the 12 signs, and also what> > > would> > > > be the effects if conjunction with other planets in 7th is present> > > for> > > > Saturn.> > > > * At the end of the discussion, I will suggest another round of> > > > experimenting with the derived results by the use of "Blind charts> > > with> > > > Saturn in 7th house", and the participants who enriched their> > > > understanding about "Saturn in 7th house" should then participate> > > in the> > > > quiz to predict the possible result - and the later the facts> > > should be> > > > revealed for everyone to check. I request Renu ji, Neelam ji,> > > Sunil ji> > > > etc to keep some charts ready for this later round - now> > > itself. Let> > > > us learn through experience and experimenting.> > > > * I request all "Not To Use any VARGAS (Divisions)" ; so that> > > the> > > > trick of "explaining away anything" played by some can be avoided.> > > > * Facts are facts and if derivations fail; they fail we will> > > accept> > > > and will modify the rules to reflect the reality - WITHOUT USING> > > EXTRA> > > > PARAMETERS. This is the path we need to follow.> > > > Regards,> > > > Sreenadh> > > >> > > > , "neelam gupta"> > > > <neelamgupta07@> wrote:> > > > Re: Re: sani in 7th house> > > > Dear All,> > > > Kiranji has rightly pointed out the malefic effects of saturn:> > > > 1) As natural malefic in 7th house, it can bring delay in> marriage,> > > > marital grief, separation from husband, if wife husband treating> her> > > > like slave, grief, unfulfilled desires from marriage etc> > > > 2) By malefic aspect of lagna, it can indicate a person who is not> > > good> > > > looking and strong.> > > > 3) by malefic aspect of the 10th house from him which is the 4th> > > house,> > > > Saturn can cause problems in wealth through real estate/vehicles> > > etc -> > > > meaning native may not own his own house or vehicle and even if he> > > does> > > > he will not enjoy the same.> > > > 4) by malefic aspect of the 3rd house from him, which is the 9th> > > house,> > > > Saturn will cause a person who is not spiritual and does not> > > believe in> > > > God and consequently less punya.> > > >> > > > However, I beg to differ with her specific results> > > > 1) Saturn in his sign of exaltation in 7th house will not cause> the> > > bad> > > > results above. IF saturn is exalted in 7th house, he will give> good> > > > spouse, good wealth and good punya.> > > >> > > > If its well placed e.g in exaltation/own house/friend's house in> 7H> > > it> > > > will boost the effects of 7H and give good, stable marriage may be> > > a bit> > > > late as shani represents delay, good partners, trade etc. The> native> > > > will project a good image to others.> > > > But to derive the results for other houses (1,4 & 9), we have to> go> > > by> > > > lagna:> > > > an exalted saturn in 7H means aries lagna. It will have an> inimical> > > > aspect on lagna hence it will not benefit lagna.> > > > It will have an inimical aspect on 4H of cancer, hence may cause> > > harm to> > > > mother, property etc. and may push the native out of his birth> > > place.> > > > It will similarly have a retarding effect on luck and may not be> > > very> > > > good for father.> > > > On the other hand say for tula lagna, saturn in 7H is debilitated> > > and> > > > thus would not be good for 7H affairs but its aspect on lagna on> > > tula> > > > sign will be benefic and will enhance the house effects, similarly> > > it> > > > will aspect his own capricorn rashi in 10H and will be very good> > > for 4H> > > > affairs. It will also throw a friendly aspect to gemini in 9H and> > > hence> > > > will be good for 9H affairs.> > > > We can derive similar results for all the lagnas.> > > > Regards> > > > Neelam> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > On 19/01/2008, Kiran R kiran.rama@> > > > <../../../../post?postID=P767P6WYrOKRqDLo-> > > Nqbo_BDHHHNbw2vM3gcBffOndZc2Ze\> > > > JRsHjHmgnHQRCOJmLlISfM1IPcr-bmUd2Ba-HORw> > wrote:> > > > Sreenadhji,> > > >> > > > here is my analysis with exceptions outlined:> > > >> > > > Saturn in 7th house can give following results:> > > > 1) As natural malefic in 7th house, it can bring delay in> marriage,> > > > marital grief, separation from husband, if wife husband treating> her> > > > like slave, grief, unfulfilled desires from marriage etc> > > > 2) By malefic aspect of lagna, it can indicate a person who is not> > > good> > > > looking and strong.> > > > 3) by malefic aspect of the 10th house from him which is the 4th> > > house,> > > > Saturn can cause problems in wealth through real estate/vehicles> > > etc -> > > > meaning native may not own his own house or vehicle and even if he> > > does> > > > he will not enjoy the same.> > > > 4) by malefic aspect of the 3rd house from him, which is the 9th> > > house,> > > > Saturn will cause a person who is not spiritual and does not> > > believe in> > > > God and consequently less punya.> > > >> > > > Now what are the exceptions:> > > > 1) Saturn in his sign of exaltation in 7th house will not cause> the> > > bad> > > > results above. IF saturn is exalted in 7th house, he will give> good> > > > spouse, good wealth and good punya.> > > > 2) If Saturn is in his own house in 7th house, then good> > > spouse/married> > > > life is given. But the quantity and quality is less than 1) which> > > is in> > > > exaltation> > > > 3) If Saturn is in friend's house in 7th house then he will not> > > harm the> > > > 7th house and married life is fine. But still he will malefic> > > aspect the> > > > 4th, lagna and 9th houses causing loss of wealth and spirituality.> > > > Indications are that he will marry a colleague and will not be> good> > > > looking> > > > 4) If Saturn is in his sign of debilitation in 7th house, rest> > > assured> > > > extreme results with no marriage, or divorce> > > > 5) If Saturn is in his enemy house same result as 4) but to a> lesser> > > > degree> > > >> > > > Another exception is when Saturn is lord of 2 sustanas - e.g:> > > Saturn for> > > > Capricorn Lagna is lord of 1st and 2nd (lagna lord and wealth> > > lord). For> > > > such a person Saturn in 7th house will mean very good as 1st and> 2nd> > > > lord is going to sustana.> > > >> > > > I request learned Sreenadhji, Sreeramji, Sunilji, Chandrashekarji> to> > > > confirm my analysis.> > > >> > > > regards> > > > kiran> > > >> > > > Now Saturn is a malefic in the 7H. As a malefic in the 7H he will> > > > destroy the good things of 7H meaning he will add his colour to> the> > > 7H.> > > >> > > > Why delay in marriage/marital grief from Saturn in 7th?> > > >> > > > Saturn represents delay, suffering, grief, sorrow, servant etc:> and> > > > Saturn in the 7H can cause delay in marriage, evil spouse, grief> > > from> > > > spouse, unfulfilled desires etc.> > > >> > > > Why problems in real estate/wealth from Saturn in 7th?> > > > Now let us see the other statements: Saturn in 7H will aspect the> > > lagna> > > > (7th from 7th), 4th house stands for house, land, maternal uncle,> > > real> > > > estate. So by malefic aspect, Saturn in 7th will cause problems of> > > > wealth> > > >> > > > Why present himself ungly and sinful with mean acts?> > > > Saturn in 7H will malefic aspect the 10th house. 10th house stands> > > for> > > > occupation/professi on, honour, conduct, quality of life in> society> > > >> > > > SO the learned sages were correct, mehtaji> > > >> > > > Sreenadh < sreesog@> > > > <../../../../post?> > > postID=Z_RG1gaxZbRl7yKlthGvQPlsmXs1upj0TjKJsDqfq5Rs1dz\> > > > AaEHJ7yM1M8L5nsaRx42nKrVl65o> > wrote:> > > > Dear All,> > > > This Saturn in 7th is dragging us long! Is it that no body> > > sure what> > > > to be attributed to Saturn in 7th?!! I request learned members> like> > > > Sunil ji to come-up with a clear reading and finish of this long> > > thread> > > > for short! OK. Even though out of context regarding our current> > > > location (i.e. 2n lord in various houses); let us elaborate the> > > various> > > > possible results of Saturn in 7th and let us come to some tangible> > > and> > > > solid RESULTS. I will post my reading on the same in the next> > > mail.> > > > It is unnecessary bringing in the Ucha/Neecha/Yaga karaka and> > > > numerous other things + the say too much but mean nothing words> like> > > > good/bad/beneficial/malefic/benefic etc. So My question is - What> > > is the> > > > RESULTS to be attributed to Saturn in 7th? Be clear in your> > > answers> > > > and be practical - and for sure we will validate anyone's reading> > > with> > > > practical chart examples in our collection with the same> > > combination.> > > > So let us proceed and try to make this discussion on Saturn in> 7th,> > > more> > > > valuable and creative.> > > > And please note -> > > > * NO out of context mentioning of divisions, naskshatras,> > > > karakamsas and so on.> > > > * Be right on on the point - Saturn in 7th (any house); at> > > the> > > > most we are only free to mention the exceptions regarding> ownhouse,> > > > exaltation, debilitation etc (if any). * Speak about the> > > > RESULTS, and AVOID using the vague words such as good, bad etc> > > > * AVOID jugglery of words - and be clear on what you know> > > and what> > > > you don't; what you trust and what you not.> > > > * Check all your books, but don't be bothered by them; if> > > the> > > > CLEAR results spoken by you matches with the chart collection and> > > > actual experience they would be accpeted; and if not what ever> > > names or> > > > books you quote - that would be rejected.> > > > So the ground is ready, rules clear - let us march! > > > Find the> > > > thief and hang him, for all to view! > > > > Love and regards,> > > > Sreenadh> > > >> > >> >>

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