Guest guest Posted January 22, 2008 Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 Dear Sorabh ji and Sreeram ji I quote the following lines by Sreeram ji and would give an example horoscope. " Jupiter in Lagna has NO relation to music, unless it is connected to Venus in some respect.' 14th Dec, 1984 at 8.26 AM in Colombo, Sri Lanka. Jupiter in lagna in the Nakshastra of VENUS. In Navamsa Jupiter is aspected by VENUS. So the connection expressed by Sreeram ji is valid to this horoscope. He is a good singer and plays musical instruments, especially piano and organ well. Possesses a very good voice. A good orator too. blessings Renu , " sreeram srinivas " <sreeram64 wrote: > > > Dear Mr - Mr Sorabh Sharma ji, > > Jupiter in Lagna has NO relation to music, unless it is conected to > Venus in some respect. Kindly provide the birth data { Lagna, Planets > in Lagna, planets aspecting the Lagna, Jupiter placement in a house, its > amsa position} > > With regards, > > Sreeram_Srinivas > > , " mrsorabhsharma " > <mrsorabhsharma@> wrote: > > Dear Shreenadh > > If i may make a contribution regarding this matter - I have found > that jupiter in the lagna and strong mercury placement - or jupiter > aspecting lagna lord or lagna gives strong musical interests. This > can be found in many musician charts also - including lata > mangeshkar and micheal jackson.But what is the signficance of a > planet like jupiter with music? I would love your thoughts > > Many thanks Kind regards > Sorabh SHarma > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2008 Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 HI Renuji,Even I have venus in second house(Scorpio) aspected by retrogating Jupiter.I play guitar but singing is not any good :)RegardsSandeepOn Jan 23, 2008 7:19 AM, renunw < renunw wrote: Dear Sorabh ji and Sreeram ji I quote the following lines by Sreeram ji and would give an example horoscope. " Jupiter in Lagna has NO relation to music, unless it is connected to Venus in some respect.' 14th Dec, 1984 at 8.26 AM in Colombo, Sri Lanka. Jupiter in lagna in the Nakshastra of VENUS. In Navamsa Jupiter is aspected by VENUS. So the connection expressed by Sreeram ji is valid to this horoscope. He is a good singer and plays musical instruments, especially piano and organ well. Possesses a very good voice. A good orator too. blessings Renu , " sreeram srinivas " <sreeram64 wrote: > > > Dear Mr - Mr Sorabh Sharma ji, > > Jupiter in Lagna has NO relation to music, unless it is conected to > Venus in some respect. Kindly provide the birth data { Lagna, Planets > in Lagna, planets aspecting the Lagna, Jupiter placement in a house, its > amsa position} > > With regards, > > Sreeram_Srinivas > > , " mrsorabhsharma " > <mrsorabhsharma@> wrote: > > Dear Shreenadh > > If i may make a contribution regarding this matter - I have found > that jupiter in the lagna and strong mercury placement - or jupiter > aspecting lagna lord or lagna gives strong musical interests. This > can be found in many musician charts also - including lata > mangeshkar and micheal jackson.But what is the signficance of a > planet like jupiter with music? I would love your thoughts > > Many thanks Kind regards > Sorabh SHarma > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 Dear Renu ji,==>> Jupiter in lagna in the Nakshastra of VENUS.<== I object!! Nakshatra we are not considering currently! ==>> In Navamsa Jupiter is aspected by VENUS. So the connection expressed by Sreeram ji is > valid to this horoscope.<== I object!! In Navamsa aspect is NOT considered, and so the argument stands cancelled. ==>> He is a good singer and plays musical instruments, especially piano > and organ well. Possesses a very good voice. A good orator too.<== And I wonder, does it goes in favor of Sorabh ji? :)Love and regards,Sreenadh , "renunw" <renunw wrote:>> Dear Sorabh ji and Sreeram ji> > I quote the following lines by Sreeram ji and would give an example > horoscope.> > "Jupiter in Lagna has NO relation to music, unless it is connected to> Venus in some respect.' > > 14th Dec, 1984 at 8.26 AM in Colombo, Sri Lanka.> > Jupiter in lagna in the Nakshastra of VENUS. In Navamsa Jupiter is > aspected by VENUS. So the connection expressed by Sreeram ji is > valid to this horoscope.> > He is a good singer and plays musical instruments, especially piano > and organ well. Possesses a very good voice. A good orator too.> > blessings> > Renu> > > > > , "sreeram srinivas" > sreeram64@ wrote:> >> > > > Dear Mr - Mr Sorabh Sharma ji,> > > > Jupiter in Lagna has NO relation to music, unless it is conected to> > Venus in some respect. Kindly provide the birth data { Lagna, > Planets> > in Lagna, planets aspecting the Lagna, Jupiter placement in a > house, its> > amsa position}> > > > With regards,> > > > Sreeram_Srinivas> > > > , "mrsorabhsharma"> > <mrsorabhsharma@> wrote:> > > > Dear Shreenadh> > > > If i may make a contribution regarding this matter - I have found> > that jupiter in the lagna and strong mercury placement - or jupiter> > aspecting lagna lord or lagna gives strong musical interests. This> > can be found in many musician charts also - including lata> > mangeshkar and micheal jackson.But what is the signficance of a> > planet like jupiter with music? I would love your thoughts> > > > Many thanks Kind regards> > Sorabh SHarma> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 Dear Sreenadh ji, "Jupiter in lagna in the Nakshastra of VENUS.<== I object!! Nakshatra we are not considering currently! ==>> In Navamsa Jupiter is aspected by VENUS. So the connection expressed by Sreeram ji is > valid to this horoscope.<== I object!! In Navamsa aspect is NOT considered, and so the argument stands cancelled. ;)" I thought it is usually the duty of the lawyer/lawyers [Arjun ji & Sreenivas ji] to object to any argument brought out by the other party. I consider you as the judge in all these cases...and you could have overruled or sustained the objection, if and when brought about by the learned members in this case [thread]. Anyway the statement by Sreenivas ji was: "Jupiter in Lagna has NO relation to music, unless it is conected to Venus in some respect. Kindly provide the birth data { Lagna, Planets in Lagna, planets aspecting the Lagna, Jupiter placement in a house, its amsa position}" Hon. Sir, it was the learned counsel who has invited to provide birth data where Jupiter has some connection to Venus even in its Amsa Position. So I appeal to consider your objection once again. Thank you sir blessings Renu @ , "Sreenadh" <sreesog wrote:>> Dear Renu ji,> ==>> > Jupiter in lagna in the Nakshastra of VENUS.> <==> I object!! Nakshatra we are not considering currently!> ==>> > In Navamsa Jupiter is aspected by VENUS. So the connection expressed> by Sreeram ji is> > valid to this horoscope.> <==> I object!! In Navamsa aspect is NOT considered, and so the argument> stands cancelled. > ==>> > He is a good singer and plays musical instruments, especially piano> > and organ well. Possesses a very good voice. A good orator too.> <==> And I wonder, does it goes in favor of Sorabh ji? > Love and regards,> Sreenadh> > , "renunw" renunw@> wrote:> >> > Dear Sorabh ji and Sreeram ji> >> > I quote the following lines by Sreeram ji and would give an example> > horoscope.> >> > "Jupiter in Lagna has NO relation to music, unless it is connected to> > Venus in some respect.'> >> > 14th Dec, 1984 at 8.26 AM in Colombo, Sri Lanka.> >> > Jupiter in lagna in the Nakshastra of VENUS. In Navamsa Jupiter is> > aspected by VENUS. So the connection expressed by Sreeram ji is> > valid to this horoscope.> >> > He is a good singer and plays musical instruments, especially piano> > and organ well. Possesses a very good voice. A good orator too.> >> > blessings> >> > Renu> >> >> >> >> > , "sreeram srinivas"> > sreeram64@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear Mr - Mr Sorabh Sharma ji,> > >> > > Jupiter in Lagna has NO relation to music, unless it is conected to> > > Venus in some respect. Kindly provide the birth data { Lagna,> > Planets> > > in Lagna, planets aspecting the Lagna, Jupiter placement in a> > house, its> > > amsa position}> > >> > > With regards,> > >> > > Sreeram_Srinivas> > >> > > , "mrsorabhsharma"> > > <mrsorabhsharma@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Shreenadh> > >> > > If i may make a contribution regarding this matter - I have found> > > that jupiter in the lagna and strong mercury placement - or jupiter> > > aspecting lagna lord or lagna gives strong musical interests. This> > > can be found in many musician charts also - including lata> > > mangeshkar and micheal jackson.But what is the signficance of a> > > planet like jupiter with music? I would love your thoughts> > >> > > Many thanks Kind regards> > > Sorabh SHarma> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 Dear Renu ji, Well said! :=) Love and regards,Sreenadh , "renunw" <renunw wrote: Re: Jupiter in Lagna + Music Dear Sreenadh ji, "Jupiter in lagna in the Nakshastra of VENUS.<== I object!! Nakshatra we are not considering currently! ==>> In Navamsa Jupiter is aspected by VENUS. So the connection expressed by Sreeram ji is > valid to this horoscope.<== I object!! In Navamsa aspect is NOT considered, and so the argument stands cancelled. ;)" I thought it is usually the duty of the lawyer/lawyers [Arjun ji & Sreenivas ji] to object to any argument brought out by the other party. I consider you as the judge in all these cases...and you could have overruled or sustained the objection, if and when brought about by the learned members in this case [thread]. Anyway the statement by Sreenivas ji was: "Jupiter in Lagna has NO relation to music, unless it is conected to Venus in some respect. Kindly provide the birth data { Lagna, Planets in Lagna, planets aspecting the Lagna, Jupiter placement in a house, its amsa position}" Hon. Sir, it was the learned counsel who has invited to provide birth data where Jupiter has some connection to Venus even in its Amsa Position. So I appeal to consider your objection once again. Thank you sir blessings Renu > > @> > > , "Sreenadh"> sreesog@ wrote:> >> > Dear Renu ji,> > ==>> > > Jupiter in lagna in the Nakshastra of VENUS.> > <==> > I object!! Nakshatra we are not considering currently!> > ==>> > > In Navamsa Jupiter is aspected by VENUS. So the connection expressed> > by Sreeram ji is> > > valid to this horoscope.> > <==> > I object!! In Navamsa aspect is NOT considered, and so the argument> > stands cancelled. > > ==>> > > He is a good singer and plays musical instruments, especially piano> > > and organ well. Possesses a very good voice. A good orator too.> > <==> > And I wonder, does it goes in favor of Sorabh ji? > > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> >> > , "renunw" renunw@> > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sorabh ji and Sreeram ji> > >> > > I quote the following lines by Sreeram ji and would give an example> > > horoscope.> > >> > > "Jupiter in Lagna has NO relation to music, unless it is connected> to> > > Venus in some respect.'> > >> > > 14th Dec, 1984 at 8.26 AM in Colombo, Sri Lanka.> > >> > > Jupiter in lagna in the Nakshastra of VENUS. In Navamsa Jupiter is> > > aspected by VENUS. So the connection expressed by Sreeram ji is> > > valid to this horoscope.> > >> > > He is a good singer and plays musical instruments, especially piano> > > and organ well. Possesses a very good voice. A good orator too.> > >> > > blessings> > >> > > Renu> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > , "sreeram srinivas"> > > sreeram64@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Mr - Mr Sorabh Sharma ji,> > > >> > > > Jupiter in Lagna has NO relation to music, unless it is conected> to> > > > Venus in some respect. Kindly provide the birth data { Lagna,> > > Planets> > > > in Lagna, planets aspecting the Lagna, Jupiter placement in a> > > house, its> > > > amsa position}> > > >> > > > With regards,> > > >> > > > Sreeram_Srinivas> > > >> > > > , "mrsorabhsharma"> > > > <mrsorabhsharma@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Shreenadh> > > >> > > > If i may make a contribution regarding this matter - I have found> > > > that jupiter in the lagna and strong mercury placement - or> jupiter> > > > aspecting lagna lord or lagna gives strong musical interests. This> > > > can be found in many musician charts also - including lata> > > > mangeshkar and micheal jackson.But what is the signficance of a> > > > planet like jupiter with music? I would love your thoughts> > > >> > > > Many thanks Kind regards> > > > Sorabh SHarma> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 re.. Jupiter in lagna.. I know 2 persons (both females) with Jupiter in lagna.. both seem to be slim, have small chests and wide hips but other physical features differ.. 1st.. short, darker skintone, thick hair(coarse),, very determined obsessive nature, secretive,, not too concern with morals in private life,( unmarrried mother of 2 kids), yet puts up a front of of 'goody two shoes' Lagna is scopio, with jupiter and mercury.. Mars and sun in 12H and shani in 2H.. therefore lagna hemmed between malefics.. Moon/ketu in 5H. 2nd.. is tall, light skinned, broad shouldered, has air of arrogance. very atheletic, keen on sports, plays sports too.. varied interests, likes and dislikes very obvious.. very intelligent, dresses for comfort rather than dress to impress.. Lagna is Aquarius, with only jupiter,, Jupiter aspects venus in gemini in 5H.. and ketu in 9H.. Shani aspects jupiter from 10H And yes yes Jupiter aspecting venus in Gemini==. she is very musical, plays several instuments and has a good voice, good at mimicry too Amother point of interest,, both these person studied LAW at university.. Regards Sheevani , " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote: > > Dear Renu ji, > Well said! :=) > Love and regards, > Sreenadh > > , " renunw " <renunw@> > wrote: > Re: Jupiter in Lagna + Music > > Dear Sreenadh ji, > > " Jupiter in lagna in the Nakshastra of VENUS. > <== > I object!! Nakshatra we are not considering currently! > ==> > > In Navamsa Jupiter is aspected by VENUS. So the connection expressed > by Sreeram ji is > > valid to this horoscope. > <== > I object!! In Navamsa aspect is NOT considered, and so the argument > stands cancelled. " > > I thought it is usually the duty of the lawyer/lawyers [Arjun ji & > Sreenivas ji] to object to any argument brought out by the other party. > I consider you as the judge in all these cases...and you could have > overruled or sustained the objection, if and when brought about by the > learned members in this case [thread]. > > Anyway the statement by Sreenivas ji was: > > " Jupiter in Lagna has NO relation to music, unless it is conected to > Venus in some respect. Kindly provide the birth data { Lagna, Planets > in Lagna, planets aspecting the Lagna, Jupiter placement in a house, its > amsa position} " > > Hon. Sir, it was the learned counsel who has invited to provide birth > data where Jupiter has some connection to Venus even in its Amsa > Position. > > So I appeal to consider your objection once again. > > Thank you sir > > blessings > > Renu > > > > > @ > > > > > > , " Sreenadh " > > sreesog@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Renu ji, > > > ==> > > > > Jupiter in lagna in the Nakshastra of VENUS. > > > <== > > > I object!! Nakshatra we are not considering currently! > > > ==> > > > > In Navamsa Jupiter is aspected by VENUS. So the connection > expressed > > > by Sreeram ji is > > > > valid to this horoscope. > > > <== > > > I object!! In Navamsa aspect is NOT considered, and so the argument > > > stands cancelled. > > > ==> > > > > He is a good singer and plays musical instruments, especially > piano > > > > and organ well. Possesses a very good voice. A good orator too. > > > <== > > > And I wonder, does it goes in favor of Sorabh ji? > > > Love and regards, > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > , " renunw " renunw@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sorabh ji and Sreeram ji > > > > > > > > I quote the following lines by Sreeram ji and would give an > example > > > > horoscope. > > > > > > > > " Jupiter in Lagna has NO relation to music, unless it is connected > > to > > > > Venus in some respect.' > > > > > > > > 14th Dec, 1984 at 8.26 AM in Colombo, Sri Lanka. > > > > > > > > Jupiter in lagna in the Nakshastra of VENUS. In Navamsa Jupiter is > > > > aspected by VENUS. So the connection expressed by Sreeram ji is > > > > valid to this horoscope. > > > > > > > > He is a good singer and plays musical instruments, especially > piano > > > > and organ well. Possesses a very good voice. A good orator too. > > > > > > > > blessings > > > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " sreeram > srinivas " > > > > sreeram64@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr - Mr Sorabh Sharma ji, > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter in Lagna has NO relation to music, unless it is conected > > to > > > > > Venus in some respect. Kindly provide the birth data { Lagna, > > > > Planets > > > > > in Lagna, planets aspecting the Lagna, Jupiter placement in a > > > > house, its > > > > > amsa position} > > > > > > > > > > With regards, > > > > > > > > > > Sreeram_Srinivas > > > > > > > > > > , > " mrsorabhsharma " > > > > > <mrsorabhsharma@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shreenadh > > > > > > > > > > If i may make a contribution regarding this matter - I have > found > > > > > that jupiter in the lagna and strong mercury placement - or > > jupiter > > > > > aspecting lagna lord or lagna gives strong musical interests. > This > > > > > can be found in many musician charts also - including lata > > > > > mangeshkar and micheal jackson.But what is the signficance of a > > > > > planet like jupiter with music? I would love your thoughts > > > > > > > > > > Many thanks Kind regards > > > > > Sorabh SHarma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 Dear Sheevani ji, Nice description.. Well said. Yes, if the Jupiter Centrics are going to the details they should consider all the signs with Jupiter in lagna and assess how the effect varies - just a suggestion. Love and regards,Sreenadh , "sheevani147" <sheevani147 wrote:>> re.. Jupiter in lagna..> > I know 2 persons (both females) with Jupiter in lagna.. both seem to > be slim, have small chests and wide hips but other physical features > differ..> > 1st.. short, darker skintone, thick hair(coarse),, very determined > obsessive nature, secretive,, not too concern with morals in private > life,( unmarrried mother of 2 kids), yet puts up a front of of 'goody > two shoes' Lagna is scopio, with jupiter and mercury.. Mars and sun > in 12H and shani in 2H.. therefore lagna hemmed between malefics.. > Moon/ketu in 5H.> > 2nd.. is tall, light skinned, broad shouldered, has air of arrogance. > very atheletic, keen on sports, plays sports too.. varied interests, > likes and dislikes very obvious.. very intelligent, dresses for > comfort rather than dress to impress.. Lagna is Aquarius, with only > jupiter,, Jupiter aspects venus in gemini in 5H.. and ketu in 9H..> Shani aspects jupiter from 10H> > And yes yes Jupiter aspecting venus in Gemini==. she is very musical, > plays several instuments and has a good voice, good at mimicry too> > Amother point of interest,, both these person studied LAW at > university..> > Regards> Sheevani> > , "Sreenadh" > sreesog@ wrote:> >> > Dear Renu ji,> > Well said! :=)> > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> > > > , "renunw" <renunw@>> > wrote:> > Re: Jupiter in Lagna + Music> > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > > > "Jupiter in lagna in the Nakshastra of VENUS.> > <==> > I object!! Nakshatra we are not considering currently!> > ==>> > > In Navamsa Jupiter is aspected by VENUS. So the connection > expressed> > by Sreeram ji is> > > valid to this horoscope.> > <==> > I object!! In Navamsa aspect is NOT considered, and so the > argument> > stands cancelled. ;)"> > > > I thought it is usually the duty of the lawyer/lawyers [Arjun ji & > > Sreenivas ji] to object to any argument brought out by the other > party.> > I consider you as the judge in all these cases...and you could have> > overruled or sustained the objection, if and when brought about by > the> > learned members in this case [thread].> > > > Anyway the statement by Sreenivas ji was:> > > > "Jupiter in Lagna has NO relation to music, unless it is conected to> > Venus in some respect. Kindly provide the birth data { Lagna, > Planets> > in Lagna, planets aspecting the Lagna, Jupiter placement in a > house, its> > amsa position}"> > > > Hon. Sir, it was the learned counsel who has invited to provide > birth> > data where Jupiter has some connection to Venus even in its Amsa> > Position.> > > > So I appeal to consider your objection once again.> > > > Thank you sir > > > > blessings> > > > Renu> > > > >> > > @> > >> > >> > > , "Sreenadh"> > > sreesog@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Renu ji,> > > > ==>> > > > > Jupiter in lagna in the Nakshastra of VENUS.> > > > <==> > > > I object!! Nakshatra we are not considering currently!> > > > ==>> > > > > In Navamsa Jupiter is aspected by VENUS. So the connection> > expressed> > > > by Sreeram ji is> > > > > valid to this horoscope.> > > > <==> > > > I object!! In Navamsa aspect is NOT considered, and so the > argument> > > > stands cancelled. > > > > ==>> > > > > He is a good singer and plays musical instruments, especially> > piano> > > > > and organ well. Possesses a very good voice. A good orator > too.> > > > <==> > > > And I wonder, does it goes in favor of Sorabh ji? > > > > Love and regards,> > > > Sreenadh> > > >> > > > , "renunw" > renunw@> > > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sorabh ji and Sreeram ji> > > > >> > > > > I quote the following lines by Sreeram ji and would give an> > example> > > > > horoscope.> > > > >> > > > > "Jupiter in Lagna has NO relation to music, unless it is > connected> > > to> > > > > Venus in some respect.'> > > > >> > > > > 14th Dec, 1984 at 8.26 AM in Colombo, Sri Lanka.> > > > >> > > > > Jupiter in lagna in the Nakshastra of VENUS. In Navamsa > Jupiter is> > > > > aspected by VENUS. So the connection expressed by Sreeram ji > is> > > > > valid to this horoscope.> > > > >> > > > > He is a good singer and plays musical instruments, especially> > piano> > > > > and organ well. Possesses a very good voice. A good orator > too.> > > > >> > > > > blessings> > > > >> > > > > Renu> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > , "sreeram> > srinivas"> > > > > sreeram64@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Mr - Mr Sorabh Sharma ji,> > > > > >> > > > > > Jupiter in Lagna has NO relation to music, unless it is > conected> > > to> > > > > > Venus in some respect. Kindly provide the birth data { > Lagna,> > > > > Planets> > > > > > in Lagna, planets aspecting the Lagna, Jupiter placement in > a> > > > > house, its> > > > > > amsa position}> > > > > >> > > > > > With regards,> > > > > >> > > > > > Sreeram_Srinivas> > > > > >> > > > > > ,> > "mrsorabhsharma"> > > > > > <mrsorabhsharma@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Shreenadh> > > > > >> > > > > > If i may make a contribution regarding this matter - I have> > found> > > > > > that jupiter in the lagna and strong mercury placement - or> > > jupiter> > > > > > aspecting lagna lord or lagna gives strong musical > interests.> > This> > > > > > can be found in many musician charts also - including lata> > > > > > mangeshkar and micheal jackson.But what is the signficance > of a> > > > > > planet like jupiter with music? I would love your thoughts> > > > > >> > > > > > Many thanks Kind regards> > > > > > Sorabh SHarma> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 Dear Members,This is another case of a retrograde jupiter in lagna:Female: 17.8.1962/19.00/DelhiIn this case Jup retrogrades in aquarius lagna with moon in lagna, 7H has sun and mer, 5 with mars, 6H rahu, 8H ven, and 12H ketu & sat ® Here in contrast to Vijay's case, the lady is traditional, very religious, shiv bhakt, does regular paths at home, of helping nature. She is goodness personified, Regarding looks, she is good looking, light eyes (honey coloured), broad shoulders, tall and stout Good education, works, but priority is family and children (not overtly ambitious regarding work)The difference here appears to be the placement of moon with Jupiter. Jupiter-moon conjunction makes a person highly religious. They are the ones who bend their heads when passing by a temple. They cannot say no to anyone seeking their help. However, not forgetting the lordships, a retro jupiter (2L/11L), with 6L in lagna has surely given her constant health problems. RegardsNeelamOn 24/01/2008, Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: Dear Sheevani ji, Nice description.. Well said. Yes, if the Jupiter Centrics are going to the details they should consider all the signs with Jupiter in lagna and assess how the effect varies - just a suggestion. Love and regards,Sreenadh , " sheevani147 " <sheevani147 wrote:>> re.. Jupiter in lagna..> > I know 2 persons (both females) with Jupiter in lagna.. both seem to > be slim, have small chests and wide hips but other physical features > differ..> > 1st.. short, darker skintone, thick hair(coarse),, very determined > obsessive nature, secretive,, not too concern with morals in private > life,( unmarrried mother of 2 kids), yet puts up a front of of 'goody > two shoes' Lagna is scopio, with jupiter and mercury.. Mars and sun > in 12H and shani in 2H.. therefore lagna hemmed between malefics.. > Moon/ketu in 5H.> > 2nd.. is tall, light skinned, broad shouldered, has air of arrogance. > very atheletic, keen on sports, plays sports too.. varied interests, > likes and dislikes very obvious.. very intelligent, dresses for > comfort rather than dress to impress.. Lagna is Aquarius, with only > jupiter,, Jupiter aspects venus in gemini in 5H.. and ketu in 9H..> Shani aspects jupiter from 10H> > And yes yes Jupiter aspecting venus in Gemini==. she is very musical, > plays several instuments and has a good voice, good at mimicry too> > Amother point of interest,, both these person studied LAW at > university..> > Regards> Sheevani > > , " Sreenadh " > sreesog@ wrote:> >> > Dear Renu ji,> > Well said! :=)> > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> > > > , " renunw " <renunw@>> > wrote:> > Re: Jupiter in Lagna + Music> > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > > > " Jupiter in lagna in the Nakshastra of VENUS. > > <==> > I object!! Nakshatra we are not considering currently!> > ==>> > > In Navamsa Jupiter is aspected by VENUS. So the connection > expressed> > by Sreeram ji is > > > valid to this horoscope.> > <==> > I object!! In Navamsa aspect is NOT considered, and so the > argument> > stands cancelled. " > > > > I thought it is usually the duty of the lawyer/lawyers [Arjun ji & > > Sreenivas ji] to object to any argument brought out by the other > party.> > I consider you as the judge in all these cases...and you could have> > overruled or sustained the objection, if and when brought about by > the> > learned members in this case [thread].> > > > Anyway the statement by Sreenivas ji was:> > > > " Jupiter in Lagna has NO relation to music, unless it is conected to > > Venus in some respect. Kindly provide the birth data { Lagna, > Planets> > in Lagna, planets aspecting the Lagna, Jupiter placement in a > house, its> > amsa position} " > > > > Hon. Sir, it was the learned counsel who has invited to provide > birth> > data where Jupiter has some connection to Venus even in its Amsa> > Position.> > > > So I appeal to consider your objection once again.> > > > Thank you sir > > > > blessings> > > > Renu> > > > >> > > @> > >> > >> > > , " Sreenadh " > > > sreesog@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Renu ji,> > > > ==>> > > > > Jupiter in lagna in the Nakshastra of VENUS. > > > > <==> > > > I object!! Nakshatra we are not considering currently!> > > > ==>> > > > > In Navamsa Jupiter is aspected by VENUS. So the connection > > expressed> > > > by Sreeram ji is> > > > > valid to this horoscope.> > > > <==> > > > I object!! In Navamsa aspect is NOT considered, and so the > argument> > > > stands cancelled. > > > > ==>> > > > > He is a good singer and plays musical instruments, especially> > piano> > > > > and organ well. Possesses a very good voice. A good orator > too.> > > > <==> > > > And I wonder, does it goes in favor of Sorabh ji? > > > > Love and regards,> > > > Sreenadh> > > >> > > > , " renunw " > renunw@> > > > wrote: > > > > >> > > > > Dear Sorabh ji and Sreeram ji> > > > >> > > > > I quote the following lines by Sreeram ji and would give an> > example > > > > > horoscope.> > > > >> > > > > " Jupiter in Lagna has NO relation to music, unless it is > connected> > > to> > > > > Venus in some respect.' > > > > >> > > > > 14th Dec, 1984 at 8.26 AM in Colombo, Sri Lanka.> > > > >> > > > > Jupiter in lagna in the Nakshastra of VENUS. In Navamsa > Jupiter is> > > > > aspected by VENUS. So the connection expressed by Sreeram ji > is> > > > > valid to this horoscope.> > > > >> > > > > He is a good singer and plays musical instruments, especially > > piano> > > > > and organ well. Possesses a very good voice. A good orator > too.> > > > >> > > > > blessings> > > > >> > > > > Renu > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > , " sreeram> > srinivas " > > > > > sreeram64@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Mr - Mr Sorabh Sharma ji, > > > > > >> > > > > > Jupiter in Lagna has NO relation to music, unless it is > conected> > > to> > > > > > Venus in some respect. Kindly provide the birth data { > Lagna,> > > > > Planets> > > > > > in Lagna, planets aspecting the Lagna, Jupiter placement in > a> > > > > house, its> > > > > > amsa position} > > > > > >> > > > > > With regards,> > > > > >> > > > > > Sreeram_Srinivas> > > > > >> > > > > > ,> > " mrsorabhsharma " > > > > > > <mrsorabhsharma@> wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Shreenadh> > > > > >> > > > > > If i may make a contribution regarding this matter - I have> > found > > > > > > that jupiter in the lagna and strong mercury placement - or> > > jupiter> > > > > > aspecting lagna lord or lagna gives strong musical > interests. > > This> > > > > > can be found in many musician charts also - including lata> > > > > > mangeshkar and micheal jackson.But what is the signficance > of a> > > > > > planet like jupiter with music? I would love your thoughts > > > > > >> > > > > > Many thanks Kind regards> > > > > > Sorabh SHarma> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 Neelamji, Namastae, Though vakra , Jupiter is in vargottama and is in aquarius (when it comes to Bala or strength , aquarius jupiter is at par with jupiter in cancer , its exaltation sign ) Durga , "neelam gupta" <neelamgupta07 wrote:>> Dear Members,> This is another case of a retrograde jupiter in lagna:> Female: 17.8.1962/19.00/Delhi> In this case Jup retrogrades in aquarius lagna with moon in lagna, 7H has> sun and mer, 5 with mars, 6H rahu, 8H ven, and 12H ketu & sat ®> Here in contrast to Vijay's case, the lady is traditional, very religious,> shiv bhakt, does regular paths at home, of helping nature. She is goodness> personified,> Regarding looks, she is good looking, light eyes (honey coloured), broad> shoulders, tall and stout> Good education, works, but priority is family and children (not overtly> ambitious regarding work)> The difference here appears to be the placement of moon with Jupiter.> Jupiter-moon conjunction makes a person highly religious. They are the ones> who bend their heads when passing by a temple. They cannot say no to anyone> seeking their help.> However, not forgetting the lordships, a retro jupiter (2L/11L), with 6L in> lagna has surely given her constant health problems.> Regards> Neelam> > On 24/01/2008, Sreenadh sreesog wrote:> >> > Dear Sheevani ji,> > Nice description.. [image: ] Well said. [image: ]> > Yes, if the Jupiter Centrics are going to the details they should> > consider all the signs with Jupiter in lagna and assess how the effect> > varies - just a suggestion. [image: ]> > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> >> >> > , "sheevani147"> > sheevani147@ wrote:> > >> > > re.. Jupiter in lagna..> > >> > > I know 2 persons (both females) with Jupiter in lagna.. both seem to> > > be slim, have small chests and wide hips but other physical features> > > differ..> > >> > > 1st.. short, darker skintone, thick hair(coarse),, very determined> > > obsessive nature, secretive,, not too concern with morals in private> > > life,( unmarrried mother of 2 kids), yet puts up a front of of 'goody> > > two shoes' Lagna is scopio, with jupiter and mercury.. Mars and sun> > > in 12H and shani in 2H.. therefore lagna hemmed between malefics..> > > Moon/ketu in 5H.> > >> > > 2nd.. is tall, light skinned, broad shouldered, has air of arrogance.> > > very atheletic, keen on sports, plays sports too.. varied interests,> > > likes and dislikes very obvious.. very intelligent, dresses for> > > comfort rather than dress to impress.. Lagna is Aquarius, with only> > > jupiter,, Jupiter aspects venus in gemini in 5H.. and ketu in 9H..> > > Shani aspects jupiter from 10H> > >> > > And yes yes Jupiter aspecting venus in Gemini==. she is very musical,> > > plays several instuments and has a good voice, good at mimicry too> > >> > > Amother point of interest,, both these person studied LAW at> > > university..> > >> > > Regards> > > Sheevani> > >> > > , "Sreenadh"> > > sreesog@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Renu ji,> > > > Well said! :=)> > > > Love and regards,> > > > Sreenadh> > > >> > > > , "renunw" <renunw@>> > > > wrote:> > > > Re: Jupiter in Lagna + Music> > > >> > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > > >> > > > "Jupiter in lagna in the Nakshastra of VENUS.> > > > <==> > > > I object!! Nakshatra we are not considering currently!> > > > ==>> > > > > In Navamsa Jupiter is aspected by VENUS. So the connection> > > expressed> > > > by Sreeram ji is> > > > > valid to this horoscope.> > > > <==> > > > I object!! In Navamsa aspect is NOT considered, and so the> > > argument> > > > stands cancelled. ;)"> > > >> > > > I thought it is usually the duty of the lawyer/lawyers [Arjun ji & > > > > Sreenivas ji] to object to any argument brought out by the other> > > party.> > > > I consider you as the judge in all these cases...and you could have> > > > overruled or sustained the objection, if and when brought about by> > > the> > > > learned members in this case [thread].> > > >> > > > Anyway the statement by Sreenivas ji was:> > > >> > > > "Jupiter in Lagna has NO relation to music, unless it is conected to> > > > Venus in some respect. Kindly provide the birth data { Lagna,> > > Planets> > > > in Lagna, planets aspecting the Lagna, Jupiter placement in a> > > house, its> > > > amsa position}"> > > >> > > > Hon. Sir, it was the learned counsel who has invited to provide> > > birth> > > > data where Jupiter has some connection to Venus even in its Amsa> > > > Position.> > > >> > > > So I appeal to consider your objection once again.> > > >> > > > Thank you sir > > > >> > > > blessings> > > >> > > > Renu> > > >> > > > >> > > > > @> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > , "Sreenadh"> > > > > sreesog@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Renu ji,> > > > > > ==>> > > > > > > Jupiter in lagna in the Nakshastra of VENUS.> > > > > > <==> > > > > > I object!! Nakshatra we are not considering currently!> > > > > > ==>> > > > > > > In Navamsa Jupiter is aspected by VENUS. So the connection> > > > expressed> > > > > > by Sreeram ji is> > > > > > > valid to this horoscope.> > > > > > <==> > > > > > I object!! In Navamsa aspect is NOT considered, and so the> > > argument> > > > > > stands cancelled. > > > > > > ==>> > > > > > > He is a good singer and plays musical instruments, especially> > > > piano> > > > > > > and organ well. Possesses a very good voice. A good orator> > > too.> > > > > > <==> > > > > > And I wonder, does it goes in favor of Sorabh ji? > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > >> > > > > > , "renunw"> > > renunw@> > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Sorabh ji and Sreeram ji> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I quote the following lines by Sreeram ji and would give an> > > > example> > > > > > > horoscope.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > "Jupiter in Lagna has NO relation to music, unless it is> > > connected> > > > > to> > > > > > > Venus in some respect.'> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 14th Dec, 1984 at 8.26 AM in Colombo, Sri Lanka.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Jupiter in lagna in the Nakshastra of VENUS. In Navamsa> > > Jupiter is> > > > > > > aspected by VENUS. So the connection expressed by Sreeram ji> > > is> > > > > > > valid to this horoscope.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > He is a good singer and plays musical instruments, especially> > > > piano> > > > > > > and organ well. Possesses a very good voice. A good orator> > > too.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > blessings> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Renu> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > , "sreeram> > > > srinivas"> > > > > > > sreeram64@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Mr - Mr Sorabh Sharma ji,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Jupiter in Lagna has NO relation to music, unless it is> > > conected> > > > > to> > > > > > > > Venus in some respect. Kindly provide the birth data {> > > Lagna,> > > > > > > Planets> > > > > > > > in Lagna, planets aspecting the Lagna, Jupiter placement in> > > a> > > > > > > house, its> > > > > > > > amsa position}> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > With regards,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Sreeram_Srinivas> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ,> > > > "mrsorabhsharma"> > > > > > > > <mrsorabhsharma@> wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Shreenadh> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > If i may make a contribution regarding this matter - I have> > > > found> > > > > > > > that jupiter in the lagna and strong mercury placement - or> > > > > jupiter> > > > > > > > aspecting lagna lord or lagna gives strong musical> > > interests.> > > > This> > > > > > > > can be found in many musician charts also - including lata> > > > > > > > mangeshkar and micheal jackson.But what is the signficance> > > of a> > > > > > > > planet like jupiter with music? I would love your thoughts> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Many thanks Kind regards> > > > > > > > Sorabh SHarma> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 Dear AllMaharshi Bhrigu has clearly indicated the affects of Jupiter in lagan. He says in Bhrigu Sutra: If Jupiter is in his own sign (Sagittarius or Pisces) in the first house (ascendant) the native will be a good speaker and well-versed in Shastras. He will have full knowledge of three Vedas good number of children and will be happy, long lived and learned. If Jupiter is in his sign of exaltation (Cancer) all the above results will be fully realised and in his 16th year the native will enjoy the effects of Maharaja yoga so caused by Jupiter. If Jupiter is in the house of his enemy, or in the house of a malefic, or is associated with a malefic or in his sign of debilitation (Capricorn) the native will indulge in sinful deeds, he will have an unstable mind and a medium span of life. He will be childless, ungrateful, full of false vanity, will forsake his near relations and well wishers, like travels, will be inimical towards others and be miserable. All the good results above will definitely be realised if Jupiter is not in any way afflicted. If afflicted the native will have to face effects as given for Jupiter in house of enemy. If Jupiter is in Sagittarius in the ascendant, he will be there as lord of the 4th and the ascendant. If Jupiter is in Pisces, he will be there as lord of the ascendant and the 10th house. If Jupiter is in Cancer (his sign of exaltation), the ascendant will be Cancer and he will be there as lord of the ninth. These are very beneficial dispositions for any horoscope. The disposition of Jupiter in Sagittarius, Pisces or Cancer in the ascendant (Lagna-Kendra) also gives rise to Hamsa yoga (a Panch Mahapurusha Yoga), the effects of which are: The person has a fair complexion, prominent cheeks, beautiful face, and the skin has a golden luster. The voice is sweet like that of a swan. The person has Kapha constitution and has fondness of water sports. The sexual urge is insatiable. The person has a thirst of knowledge and sacred scriptures, is virtuous, doing good to others, and is blessed with a beautiful spouse. Enjoying variety of physical and material comforts the person will leave this world at the age of 100 in a forest. Other texts quote about Jupiter in lagan as this:Brikat Jatak-The person concerned will be learned. Phaldeepika-The native will have a dignified appearance, will perform righteous deeds, will be long-lived and fearless. He will have happiness from children. Saravali-The native will possess a beautiful body, will be long-lived, learned and tolerant. Chamatkar Chintamani-The native will be respected for his good qualities. He will spend money on pilgrimages. All the authorities have attributed benefic results to Jupiter in the first provided it is not afflicted and is not in retrogration.Neelam On 24/01/2008, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: Dear Members,This is another case of a retrograde jupiter in lagna:Female: 17.8.1962/19.00/DelhiIn this case Jup retrogrades in aquarius lagna with moon in lagna, 7H has sun and mer, 5 with mars, 6H rahu, 8H ven, and 12H ketu & sat ® Here in contrast to Vijay's case, the lady is traditional, very religious, shiv bhakt, does regular paths at home, of helping nature. She is goodness personified, Regarding looks, she is good looking, light eyes (honey coloured), broad shoulders, tall and stout Good education, works, but priority is family and children (not overtly ambitious regarding work)The difference here appears to be the placement of moon with Jupiter. Jupiter-moon conjunction makes a person highly religious. They are the ones who bend their heads when passing by a temple. They cannot say no to anyone seeking their help. However, not forgetting the lordships, a retro jupiter (2L/11L), with 6L in lagna has surely given her constant health problems. RegardsNeelam On 24/01/2008, Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: Dear Sheevani ji, Nice description.. Well said. Yes, if the Jupiter Centrics are going to the details they should consider all the signs with Jupiter in lagna and assess how the effect varies - just a suggestion. Love and regards,Sreenadh , " sheevani147 " <sheevani147 wrote:>> re.. Jupiter in lagna..> > I know 2 persons (both females) with Jupiter in lagna.. both seem to > be slim, have small chests and wide hips but other physical features > differ..> > 1st.. short, darker skintone, thick hair(coarse),, very determined > obsessive nature, secretive,, not too concern with morals in private > life,( unmarrried mother of 2 kids), yet puts up a front of of 'goody > two shoes' Lagna is scopio, with jupiter and mercury.. Mars and sun > in 12H and shani in 2H.. therefore lagna hemmed between malefics.. > Moon/ketu in 5H.> > 2nd.. is tall, light skinned, broad shouldered, has air of arrogance. > very atheletic, keen on sports, plays sports too.. varied interests, > likes and dislikes very obvious.. very intelligent, dresses for > comfort rather than dress to impress.. Lagna is Aquarius, with only > jupiter,, Jupiter aspects venus in gemini in 5H.. and ketu in 9H..> Shani aspects jupiter from 10H> > And yes yes Jupiter aspecting venus in Gemini==. she is very musical, > plays several instuments and has a good voice, good at mimicry too> > Amother point of interest,, both these person studied LAW at > university..> > Regards> Sheevani > > , " Sreenadh " > sreesog@ wrote:> >> > Dear Renu ji,> > Well said! :=)> > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> > > > , " renunw " <renunw@>> > wrote:> > Re: Jupiter in Lagna + Music> > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > > > " Jupiter in lagna in the Nakshastra of VENUS. > > <==> > I object!! Nakshatra we are not considering currently!> > ==>> > > In Navamsa Jupiter is aspected by VENUS. So the connection > expressed> > by Sreeram ji is > > > valid to this horoscope.> > <==> > I object!! In Navamsa aspect is NOT considered, and so the > argument> > stands cancelled. " > > > > I thought it is usually the duty of the lawyer/lawyers [Arjun ji & > > Sreenivas ji] to object to any argument brought out by the other > party.> > I consider you as the judge in all these cases...and you could have> > overruled or sustained the objection, if and when brought about by > the> > learned members in this case [thread].> > > > Anyway the statement by Sreenivas ji was:> > > > " Jupiter in Lagna has NO relation to music, unless it is conected to > > Venus in some respect. Kindly provide the birth data { Lagna, > Planets> > in Lagna, planets aspecting the Lagna, Jupiter placement in a > house, its> > amsa position} " > > > > Hon. Sir, it was the learned counsel who has invited to provide > birth> > data where Jupiter has some connection to Venus even in its Amsa> > Position.> > > > So I appeal to consider your objection once again.> > > > Thank you sir > > > > blessings> > > > Renu> > > > >> > > @> > >> > >> > > , " Sreenadh " > > > sreesog@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Renu ji,> > > > ==>> > > > > Jupiter in lagna in the Nakshastra of VENUS. > > > > <==> > > > I object!! Nakshatra we are not considering currently!> > > > ==>> > > > > In Navamsa Jupiter is aspected by VENUS. So the connection > > expressed> > > > by Sreeram ji is> > > > > valid to this horoscope.> > > > <==> > > > I object!! In Navamsa aspect is NOT considered, and so the > argument> > > > stands cancelled. > > > > ==>> > > > > He is a good singer and plays musical instruments, especially> > piano> > > > > and organ well. Possesses a very good voice. A good orator > too.> > > > <==> > > > And I wonder, does it goes in favor of Sorabh ji? > > > > Love and regards,> > > > Sreenadh> > > >> > > > , " renunw " > renunw@> > > > wrote: > > > > >> > > > > Dear Sorabh ji and Sreeram ji> > > > >> > > > > I quote the following lines by Sreeram ji and would give an> > example > > > > > horoscope.> > > > >> > > > > " Jupiter in Lagna has NO relation to music, unless it is > connected> > > to> > > > > Venus in some respect.' > > > > >> > > > > 14th Dec, 1984 at 8.26 AM in Colombo, Sri Lanka.> > > > >> > > > > Jupiter in lagna in the Nakshastra of VENUS. In Navamsa > Jupiter is> > > > > aspected by VENUS. So the connection expressed by Sreeram ji > is> > > > > valid to this horoscope.> > > > >> > > > > He is a good singer and plays musical instruments, especially > > piano> > > > > and organ well. Possesses a very good voice. A good orator > too.> > > > >> > > > > blessings> > > > >> > > > > Renu > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > , " sreeram> > srinivas " > > > > > sreeram64@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Mr - Mr Sorabh Sharma ji, > > > > > >> > > > > > Jupiter in Lagna has NO relation to music, unless it is > conected> > > to> > > > > > Venus in some respect. Kindly provide the birth data { > Lagna,> > > > > Planets> > > > > > in Lagna, planets aspecting the Lagna, Jupiter placement in > a> > > > > house, its> > > > > > amsa position} > > > > > >> > > > > > With regards,> > > > > >> > > > > > Sreeram_Srinivas> > > > > >> > > > > > ,> > " mrsorabhsharma " > > > > > > <mrsorabhsharma@> wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Shreenadh> > > > > >> > > > > > If i may make a contribution regarding this matter - I have> > found > > > > > > that jupiter in the lagna and strong mercury placement - or> > > jupiter> > > > > > aspecting lagna lord or lagna gives strong musical > interests. > > This> > > > > > can be found in many musician charts also - including lata> > > > > > mangeshkar and micheal jackson.But what is the signficance > of a > > > > > > planet like jupiter with music? I would love your thoughts > > > > > >> > > > > > Many thanks Kind regards> > > > > > Sorabh SHarma> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 Namaste Neelamji, Oh!! good dig on the books.....great...notes...well......elated to see how serious members are .......,......... looking for Jupiter in Scorpio, Virgo, Sagittarius, Pisces....any inputs...?? with regards, Sreeram_Srinivas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 Dear Durga ji, That is a very good observation! Being vargottama, it appears that Jupiter makes up the deficiency caused due to being retrograde. Regards, Krishnadurga050 <durga050 wrote: Neelamji, Namastae, Though vakra , Jupiter is in vargottama and is in aquarius (when it comes to Bala or strength , aquarius jupiter is at par with jupiter in cancer , its exaltation sign ) Durga , "neelam gupta" <neelamgupta07 wrote:>> Dear Members,> This is another case of a retrograde jupiter in lagna:> Female: 17.8.1962/19.00/Delhi> In this case Jup retrogrades in aquarius lagna with moon in lagna, 7H has> sun and mer, 5 with mars, 6H rahu, 8H ven, and 12H ketu & sat ®> Here in contrast to Vijay's case, the lady is traditional, very religious,> shiv bhakt, does regular paths at home, of helping nature. She is goodness> personified,> Regarding looks, she is good looking, light eyes (honey coloured), broad> shoulders, tall and stout> Good education, works, but priority is family and children (not overtly> ambitious regarding work)> The difference here appears to be the placement of moon with Jupiter.> Jupiter-moon conjunction makes a person highly religious. They are the ones> who bend their heads when passing by a temple. They cannot say no to anyone> seeking their help.> However, not forgetting the lordships, a retro jupiter (2L/11L), with 6L in> lagna has surely given her constant health problems.> Regards> Neelam> > On 24/01/2008, Sreenadh sreesog wrote:> >> > Dear Sheevani ji,> > Nice description.. [image: ] Well said. [image: ]> > Yes, if the Jupiter Centrics are going to the details they should> > consider all the signs with Jupiter in lagna and assess how the effect> > varies - just a suggestion. [image: ]> > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> >> >> > --- In , "sheevani147"> > sheevani147@ wrote:> > >> > > re.. Jupiter in lagna..> > >> > > I know 2 persons (both females) with Jupiter in lagna.. both seem to> > > be slim, have small chests and wide hips but other physical features> > > differ..> > >> > > 1st.. short, darker skintone, thick hair(coarse),, very determined> > > obsessive nature, secretive,, not too concern with morals in private> > > life,( unmarrried mother of 2 kids), yet puts up a front of of 'goody> > > two shoes' Lagna is scopio, with jupiter and mercury.. Mars and sun> > > in 12H and shani in 2H.. therefore lagna hemmed between malefics..> > > Moon/ketu in 5H.> > >> > > 2nd.. is tall, light skinned, broad shouldered, has air of arrogance.> > > very atheletic, keen on sports, plays sports too.. varied interests,> > > likes and dislikes very obvious.. very intelligent, dresses for> > > comfort rather than dress to impress.. Lagna is Aquarius, with only> > > jupiter,, Jupiter aspects venus in gemini in 5H.. and ketu in 9H..> > > Shani aspects jupiter from 10H> > >> > > And yes yes Jupiter aspecting venus in Gemini==. she is very musical,> > > plays several instuments and has a good voice, good at mimicry too> > >> > > Amother point of interest,, both these person studied LAW at> > > university..> > >> > > Regards> > > Sheevani> > >> > > , "Sreenadh"> > > sreesog@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Renu ji,> > > > Well said! :=)> > > > Love and regards,> > > > Sreenadh> > > >> > > > , "renunw" <renunw@>> > > > wrote:> > > > Re: Jupiter in Lagna + Music> > > >> > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > > >> > > > "Jupiter in lagna in the Nakshastra of VENUS.> > > > <==> > > > I object!! Nakshatra we are not considering currently!> > > > ==>> > > > > In Navamsa Jupiter is aspected by VENUS. So the connection> > > expressed> > > > by Sreeram ji is> > > > > valid to this horoscope.> > > > <==> > > > I object!! In Navamsa aspect is NOT considered, and so the> > > argument> > > > stands cancelled. ;)"> > > >> > > > I thought it is usually the duty of the lawyer/lawyers [Arjun ji & > > > > Sreenivas ji] to object to any argument brought out by the other> > > party.> > > > I consider you as the judge in all these cases...and you could have> > > > overruled or sustained the objection, if and when brought about by> > > the> > > > learned members in this case [thread].> > > >> > > > Anyway the statement by Sreenivas ji was:> > > >> > > > "Jupiter in Lagna has NO relation to music, unless it is conected to> > > > Venus in some respect. Kindly provide the birth data { Lagna,> > > Planets> > > > in Lagna, planets aspecting the Lagna, Jupiter placement in a> > > house, its> > > > amsa position}"> > > >> > > > Hon. Sir, it was the learned counsel who has invited to provide> > > birth> > > > data where Jupiter has some connection to Venus even in its Amsa> > > > Position.> > > >> > > > So I appeal to consider your objection once again.> > > >> > > > Thank you sir > > > >> > > > blessings> > > >> > > > Renu> > > >> > > > >> > > > > @> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > , "Sreenadh"> > > > > sreesog@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Renu ji,> > > > > > ==>> > > > > > > Jupiter in lagna in the Nakshastra of VENUS.> > > > > > <==> > > > > > I object!! Nakshatra we are not considering currently!> > > > > > ==>> > > > > > > In Navamsa Jupiter is aspected by VENUS. So the connection> > > > expressed> > > > > > by Sreeram ji is> > > > > > > valid to this horoscope.> > > > > > <==> > > > > > I object!! In Navamsa aspect is NOT considered, and so the> > > argument> > > > > > stands cancelled. > > > > > > ==>> > > > > > > He is a good singer and plays musical instruments, especially> > > > piano> > > > > > > and organ well. Possesses a very good voice. A good orator> > > too.> > > > > > <==> > > > > > And I wonder, does it goes in favor of Sorabh ji? > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > >> > > > > > , "renunw"> > > renunw@> > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Sorabh ji and Sreeram ji> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I quote the following lines by Sreeram ji and would give an> > > > example> > > > > > > horoscope.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > "Jupiter in Lagna has NO relation to music, unless it is> > > connected> > > > > to> > > > > > > Venus in some respect.'> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 14th Dec, 1984 at 8.26 AM in Colombo, Sri Lanka.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Jupiter in lagna in the Nakshastra of VENUS. In Navamsa> > > Jupiter is> > > > > > > aspected by VENUS. So the connection expressed by Sreeram ji> > > is> > > > > > > valid to this horoscope.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > He is a good singer and plays musical instruments, especially> > > > piano> > > > > > > and organ well. Possesses a very good voice. A good orator> > > too.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > blessings> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Renu> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > , "sreeram> > > > srinivas"> > > > > > > sreeram64@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Mr - Mr Sorabh Sharma ji,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Jupiter in Lagna has NO relation to music, unless it is> > > conected> > > > > to> > > > > > > > Venus in some respect. Kindly provide the birth data {> > > Lagna,> > > > > > > Planets> > > > > > > > in Lagna, planets aspecting the Lagna, Jupiter placement in> > > a> > > > > > > house, its> > > > > > > > amsa position}> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > With regards,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Sreeram_Srinivas> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ,> > > > "mrsorabhsharma"> > > > > > > > <mrsorabhsharma@> wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Shreenadh> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > If i may make a contribution regarding this matter - I have> > > > found> > > > > > > > that jupiter in the lagna and strong mercury placement - or> > > > > jupiter> > > > > > > > aspecting lagna lord or lagna gives strong musical> > > interests.> > > > This> > > > > > > > can be found in many musician charts also - including lata> > > > > > > > mangeshkar and micheal jackson.But what is the signficance> > > of a> > > > > > > > planet like jupiter with music? I would love your thoughts> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Many thanks Kind regards> > > > > > > > Sorabh SHarma> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 Dear Neelam ji, Yes - the reference provided by Durga ji is "Kumbhe Karkatavat" (if in Aquarius Jupiter gives results similar to in cancer; i.e. Jupiter in Aquarius is as strong as in Cancer) of Brihat Jataka of Mihira. It is a very joyous experience to have a scholar well versed in scriptures like Durga ji to be in the group. Love and regards,Sreenadh , "durga050" <durga050 wrote:>> > Neelamji,> > Namastae,> > Though vakra , Jupiter is in vargottama and is in aquarius (when it> comes to Bala or strength , aquarius jupiter is at par with jupiter in> cancer , its exaltation sign )> > Durga> > > > , "neelam gupta"> neelamgupta07@ wrote:> >> > Dear Members,> > This is another case of a retrograde jupiter in lagna:> > Female: 17.8.1962/19.00/Delhi> > In this case Jup retrogrades in aquarius lagna with moon in lagna, 7H> has> > sun and mer, 5 with mars, 6H rahu, 8H ven, and 12H ketu & sat ®> > Here in contrast to Vijay's case, the lady is traditional, very> religious,> > shiv bhakt, does regular paths at home, of helping nature. She is> goodness> > personified,> > Regarding looks, she is good looking, light eyes (honey coloured),> broad> > shoulders, tall and stout> > Good education, works, but priority is family and children (not> overtly> > ambitious regarding work)> > The difference here appears to be the placement of moon with Jupiter.> > Jupiter-moon conjunction makes a person highly religious. They are the> ones> > who bend their heads when passing by a temple. They cannot say no to> anyone> > seeking their help.> > However, not forgetting the lordships, a retro jupiter (2L/11L), with> 6L in> > lagna has surely given her constant health problems.> > Regards> > Neelam> >> > On 24/01/2008, Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sheevani ji,> > > Nice description.. [image: ] Well said. [image: ]> > > Yes, if the Jupiter Centrics are going to the details they should> > > consider all the signs with Jupiter in lagna and assess how the> effect> > > varies - just a suggestion. [image: ]> > > Love and regards,> > > Sreenadh> > >> > >> > > , "sheevani147"> > > sheevani147@ wrote:> > > >> > > > re.. Jupiter in lagna..> > > >> > > > I know 2 persons (both females) with Jupiter in lagna.. both seem> to> > > > be slim, have small chests and wide hips but other physical> features> > > > differ..> > > >> > > > 1st.. short, darker skintone, thick hair(coarse),, very determined> > > > obsessive nature, secretive,, not too concern with morals in> private> > > > life,( unmarrried mother of 2 kids), yet puts up a front of of> 'goody> > > > two shoes' Lagna is scopio, with jupiter and mercury.. Mars and> sun> > > > in 12H and shani in 2H.. therefore lagna hemmed between malefics..> > > > Moon/ketu in 5H.> > > >> > > > 2nd.. is tall, light skinned, broad shouldered, has air of> arrogance.> > > > very atheletic, keen on sports, plays sports too.. varied> interests,> > > > likes and dislikes very obvious.. very intelligent, dresses for> > > > comfort rather than dress to impress.. Lagna is Aquarius, with> only> > > > jupiter,, Jupiter aspects venus in gemini in 5H.. and ketu in 9H..> > > > Shani aspects jupiter from 10H> > > >> > > > And yes yes Jupiter aspecting venus in Gemini==. she is very> musical,> > > > plays several instuments and has a good voice, good at mimicry too> > > >> > > > Amother point of interest,, both these person studied LAW at> > > > university..> > > >> > > > Regards> > > > Sheevani> > > >> > > > , "Sreenadh"> > > > sreesog@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Renu ji,> > > > > Well said! :=)> > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > Sreenadh> > > > >> > > > > , "renunw"> <renunw@>> > > > > wrote:> > > > > Re: Jupiter in Lagna + Music> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > > > >> > > > > "Jupiter in lagna in the Nakshastra of VENUS.> > > > > <==> > > > > I object!! Nakshatra we are not considering currently!> > > > > ==>> > > > > > In Navamsa Jupiter is aspected by VENUS. So the connection> > > > expressed> > > > > by Sreeram ji is> > > > > > valid to this horoscope.> > > > > <==> > > > > I object!! In Navamsa aspect is NOT considered, and so the> > > > argument> > > > > stands cancelled. ;)"> > > > >> > > > > I thought it is usually the duty of the lawyer/lawyers [Arjun ji> & > > > > > Sreenivas ji] to object to any argument brought out by the other> > > > party.> > > > > I consider you as the judge in all these cases...and you could> have> > > > > overruled or sustained the objection, if and when brought about> by> > > > the> > > > > learned members in this case [thread].> > > > >> > > > > Anyway the statement by Sreenivas ji was:> > > > >> > > > > "Jupiter in Lagna has NO relation to music, unless it is> conected to> > > > > Venus in some respect. Kindly provide the birth data { Lagna,> > > > Planets> > > > > in Lagna, planets aspecting the Lagna, Jupiter placement in a> > > > house, its> > > > > amsa position}"> > > > >> > > > > Hon. Sir, it was the learned counsel who has invited to provide> > > > birth> > > > > data where Jupiter has some connection to Venus even in its Amsa> > > > > Position.> > > > >> > > > > So I appeal to consider your objection once again.> > > > >> > > > > Thank you sir > > > > >> > > > > blessings> > > > >> > > > > Renu> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > @> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > , "Sreenadh"> > > > > > sreesog@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Renu ji,> > > > > > > ==>> > > > > > > > Jupiter in lagna in the Nakshastra of VENUS.> > > > > > > <==> > > > > > > I object!! Nakshatra we are not considering currently!> > > > > > > ==>> > > > > > > > In Navamsa Jupiter is aspected by VENUS. So the connection> > > > > expressed> > > > > > > by Sreeram ji is> > > > > > > > valid to this horoscope.> > > > > > > <==> > > > > > > I object!! In Navamsa aspect is NOT considered, and so the> > > > argument> > > > > > > stands cancelled. > > > > > > > ==>> > > > > > > > He is a good singer and plays musical instruments,> especially> > > > > piano> > > > > > > > and organ well. Possesses a very good voice. A good orator> > > > too.> > > > > > > <==> > > > > > > And I wonder, does it goes in favor of Sorabh ji? > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > >> > > > > > > , "renunw"> > > > renunw@> > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Sorabh ji and Sreeram ji> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I quote the following lines by Sreeram ji and would give> an> > > > > example> > > > > > > > horoscope.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > "Jupiter in Lagna has NO relation to music, unless it is> > > > connected> > > > > > to> > > > > > > > Venus in some respect.'> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 14th Dec, 1984 at 8.26 AM in Colombo, Sri Lanka.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Jupiter in lagna in the Nakshastra of VENUS. In Navamsa> > > > Jupiter is> > > > > > > > aspected by VENUS. So the connection expressed by Sreeram> ji> > > > is> > > > > > > > valid to this horoscope.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > He is a good singer and plays musical instruments,> especially> > > > > piano> > > > > > > > and organ well. Possesses a very good voice. A good orator> > > > too.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > blessings> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Renu> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > , "sreeram> > > > > srinivas"> > > > > > > > sreeram64@ wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Mr - Mr Sorabh Sharma ji,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Jupiter in Lagna has NO relation to music, unless it is> > > > conected> > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > Venus in some respect. Kindly provide the birth data {> > > > Lagna,> > > > > > > > Planets> > > > > > > > > in Lagna, planets aspecting the Lagna, Jupiter placement> in> > > > a> > > > > > > > house, its> > > > > > > > > amsa position}> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > With regards,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Sreeram_Srinivas> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ,> > > > > "mrsorabhsharma"> > > > > > > > > <mrsorabhsharma@> wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Shreenadh> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > If i may make a contribution regarding this matter - I> have> > > > > found> > > > > > > > > that jupiter in the lagna and strong mercury placement -> or> > > > > > jupiter> > > > > > > > > aspecting lagna lord or lagna gives strong musical> > > > interests.> > > > > This> > > > > > > > > can be found in many musician charts also - including> lata> > > > > > > > > mangeshkar and micheal jackson.But what is the> signficance> > > > of a> > > > > > > > > planet like jupiter with music? I would love your> thoughts> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Many thanks Kind regards> > > > > > > > > Sorabh SHarma> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 Dear Neelam ji, I wonder whether you are quotting from Brigu Sutra or some english or hinidi transilation which you assume is the correct transilation of Brigu sutra!!!! For example, in the message below, the following ONLY is from Brigu Sutra - ==>If Jupiter is in his own sign (Sagittarius or Pisces) in the first house (ascendant) the native will be a good speaker and well-versed in Shastras. He will have full knowledge of three Vedas good number of children and will be happy, long lived and learned. If Jupiter is in his sign of exaltation (Cancer) all the above results will be fully realised and in his 16th year the native will enjoy the effects of Maharaja yoga so caused by Jupiter. If Jupiter is in the house of his enemy, or in the house of a malefic, or is associated with a malefic or in his sign of debilitation (Capricorn) the native will indulge in sinful deeds, he will have an unstable mind and a medium span of life. He will be childless, ungrateful, full of false vanity, will forsake his near relations and well wishers, like travels, will be inimical towards others and be miserable. <== The remaining section as follows, even though good has nothing to do with Brigu sutra!!!==>All the good results above will definitely be realised if Jupiter is not in any way afflicted. If afflicted the native will have to face effects as given for Jupiter in house of enemy. If Jupiter is in Sagittarius in the ascendant, he will be there as lord of the 4th and the ascendant. If Jupiter is in Pisces, he will be there as lord of the ascendant and the 10th house. If Jupiter is in Cancer (his sign of exaltation), the ascendant will be Cancer and he will be there as lord of the ninth. These are very beneficial dispositions for any horoscope. The disposition of Jupiter in Sagittarius, Pisces or Cancer in the ascendant (Lagna-Kendra) also gives rise to Hamsa yoga (a Panch Mahapurusha Yoga), the effects of which are: The person has a fair complexion, prominent cheeks, beautiful face, and the skin has a golden luster. The voice is sweet like that of a swan. The person has Kapha constitution and has fondness of water sports. The sexual urge is insatiable. The person has a thirst of knowledge and sacred scriptures, is virtuous, doing good to others, and is blessed with a beautiful spouse. Enjoying variety of physical and material comforts the person will leave this world at the age of 100 in a forest. <== But in your mail, you are ASCRIBING all the above to sage Brigu!!!!! Even though the inputs are good I don't appreciate this mixing and corruption.Love and regards,Sreenadh , "neelam gupta" <neelamgupta07 wrote: Re: Jupiter in Lagna + Music Dear AllMaharshi Bhrigu has clearly indicated the affects of Jupiter in lagan. He says in Bhrigu Sutra:If Jupiter is in his own sign (Sagittarius or Pisces) in the first house (ascendant) the native will be a good speaker and well-versed in Shastras. He will have full knowledge of three Vedas good number of children and will be happy, long lived and learned. If Jupiter is in his sign of exaltation (Cancer) all the above results will be fully realised and in his 16th year the native will enjoy the effects of Maharaja yoga so caused by Jupiter. If Jupiter is in the house of his enemy, or in the house of a malefic, or is associated with a malefic or in his sign of debilitation (Capricorn) the native will indulge in sinful deeds, he will have an unstable mind and a medium span of life. He will be childless, ungrateful, full of false vanity, will forsake his near relations and well wishers, like travels, will be inimical towards others and be miserable. All the good results above will definitely be realised if Jupiter is not in any way afflicted. If afflicted the native will have to face effects as given for Jupiter in house of enemy. If Jupiter is in Sagittarius in the ascendant, he will be there as lord of the 4th and the ascendant. If Jupiter is in Pisces, he will be there as lord of the ascendant and the 10th house. If Jupiter is in Cancer (his sign of exaltation), the ascendant will be Cancer and he will be there as lord of the ninth. These are very beneficial dispositions for any horoscope. The disposition of Jupiter in Sagittarius, Pisces or Cancer in the ascendant (Lagna-Kendra) also gives rise to Hamsa yoga (a Panch Mahapurusha Yoga), the effects of which are: The person has a fair complexion, prominent cheeks, beautiful face, and the skin has a golden luster. The voice is sweet like that of a swan. The person has Kapha constitution and has fondness of water sports. The sexual urge is insatiable. The person has a thirst of knowledge and sacred scriptures, is virtuous, doing good to others, and is blessed with a beautiful spouse. Enjoying variety of physical and material comforts the person will leave this world at the age of 100 in a forest. Other texts quote about Jupiter in lagan as this:Brikat Jatak-The person concerned will be learned. Phaldeepika-The native will have a dignified appearance, will perform righteous deeds, will be long-lived and fearless. He will have happiness from children. Saravali-The native will possess a beautiful body, will be long-lived, learned and tolerant. Chamatkar Chintamani-The native will be respected for his good qualities. He will spend money on pilgrimages. All the authorities have attributed benefic results to Jupiter in the first provided it is not afflicted and is not in retrogration.Neelam > On 24/01/2008, neelam gupta neelamgupta07 wrote:> >> > Dear Members,> > This is another case of a retrograde jupiter in lagna:> > Female: 17.8.1962/19.00/Delhi> > In this case Jup retrogrades in aquarius lagna with moon in lagna, 7H has> > sun and mer, 5 with mars, 6H rahu, 8H ven, and 12H ketu & sat ®> > Here in contrast to Vijay's case, the lady is traditional, very religious,> > shiv bhakt, does regular paths at home, of helping nature. She is goodness> > personified,> > Regarding looks, she is good looking, light eyes (honey coloured), broad> > shoulders, tall and stout> > Good education, works, but priority is family and children (not overtly> > ambitious regarding work)> > The difference here appears to be the placement of moon with Jupiter.> > Jupiter-moon conjunction makes a person highly religious. They are the ones> > who bend their heads when passing by a temple. They cannot say no to anyone> > seeking their help.> > However, not forgetting the lordships, a retro jupiter (2L/11L), with 6L> > in lagna has surely given her constant health problems.> > Regards> > Neelam> >> > On 24/01/2008, Sreenadh sreesog wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sheevani ji,> > > Nice description.. [image: ] Well said. [image: ]> > > Yes, if the Jupiter Centrics are going to the details they should> > > consider all the signs with Jupiter in lagna and assess how the effect> > > varies - just a suggestion. [image: ]> > > Love and regards,> > > Sreenadh> > >> > >> > > , "sheevani147"> > > sheevani147@ wrote:> > > >> > > > re.. Jupiter in lagna..> > > >> > > > I know 2 persons (both females) with Jupiter in lagna.. both seem to> > > > be slim, have small chests and wide hips but other physical features> > > > differ..> > > >> > > > 1st.. short, darker skintone, thick hair(coarse),, very determined> > > > obsessive nature, secretive,, not too concern with morals in private> > > > life,( unmarrried mother of 2 kids), yet puts up a front of of 'goody> > > > two shoes' Lagna is scopio, with jupiter and mercury.. Mars and sun> > > > in 12H and shani in 2H.. therefore lagna hemmed between malefics..> > > > Moon/ketu in 5H.> > > >> > > > 2nd.. is tall, light skinned, broad shouldered, has air of arrogance.> > > > very atheletic, keen on sports, plays sports too.. varied interests,> > > > likes and dislikes very obvious.. very intelligent, dresses for> > > > comfort rather than dress to impress.. Lagna is Aquarius, with only> > > > jupiter,, Jupiter aspects venus in gemini in 5H.. and ketu in 9H..> > > > Shani aspects jupiter from 10H> > > >> > > > And yes yes Jupiter aspecting venus in Gemini==. she is very musical,> > > > plays several instuments and has a good voice, good at mimicry too> > > >> > > > Amother point of interest,, both these person studied LAW at> > > > university..> > > >> > > > Regards> > > > Sheevani> > > >> > > > , "Sreenadh"> > > > sreesog@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Renu ji,> > > > > Well said! :=)> > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > Sreenadh> > > > >> > > > > , "renunw" <renunw@>> > > > > wrote:> > > > > Re: Jupiter in Lagna + Music> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > > > >> > > > > "Jupiter in lagna in the Nakshastra of VENUS.> > > > > <==> > > > > I object!! Nakshatra we are not considering currently!> > > > > ==>> > > > > > In Navamsa Jupiter is aspected by VENUS. So the connection> > > > expressed> > > > > by Sreeram ji is> > > > > > valid to this horoscope.> > > > > <==> > > > > I object!! In Navamsa aspect is NOT considered, and so the> > > > argument> > > > > stands cancelled. ;)"> > > > >> > > > > I thought it is usually the duty of the lawyer/lawyers [Arjun ji & > > > > > Sreenivas ji] to object to any argument brought out by the other> > > > party.> > > > > I consider you as the judge in all these cases...and you could have> > > > > overruled or sustained the objection, if and when brought about by> > > > the> > > > > learned members in this case [thread].> > > > >> > > > > Anyway the statement by Sreenivas ji was:> > > > >> > > > > "Jupiter in Lagna has NO relation to music, unless it is conected to> > >> > > > > Venus in some respect. Kindly provide the birth data { Lagna,> > > > Planets> > > > > in Lagna, planets aspecting the Lagna, Jupiter placement in a> > > > house, its> > > > > amsa position}"> > > > >> > > > > Hon. Sir, it was the learned counsel who has invited to provide> > > > birth> > > > > data where Jupiter has some connection to Venus even in its Amsa> > > > > Position.> > > > >> > > > > So I appeal to consider your objection once again.> > > > >> > > > > Thank you sir > > > > >> > > > > blessings> > > > >> > > > > Renu> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > @> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > , "Sreenadh"> > > > > > sreesog@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Renu ji,> > > > > > > ==>> > > > > > > > Jupiter in lagna in the Nakshastra of VENUS.> > > > > > > <==> > > > > > > I object!! Nakshatra we are not considering currently!> > > > > > > ==>> > > > > > > > In Navamsa Jupiter is aspected by VENUS. So the connection> > > > > expressed> > > > > > > by Sreeram ji is> > > > > > > > valid to this horoscope.> > > > > > > <==> > > > > > > I object!! In Navamsa aspect is NOT considered, and so the> > > > argument> > > > > > > stands cancelled. > > > > > > > ==>> > > > > > > > He is a good singer and plays musical instruments, especially> > > > > piano> > > > > > > > and organ well. Possesses a very good voice. A good orator> > > > too.> > > > > > > <==> > > > > > > And I wonder, does it goes in favor of Sorabh ji? > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > >> > > > > > > , "renunw"> > > > renunw@> > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Sorabh ji and Sreeram ji> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I quote the following lines by Sreeram ji and would give an> > > > > example> > > > > > > > horoscope.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > "Jupiter in Lagna has NO relation to music, unless it is> > > > connected> > > > > > to> > > > > > > > Venus in some respect.'> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 14th Dec, 1984 at 8.26 AM in Colombo, Sri Lanka.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Jupiter in lagna in the Nakshastra of VENUS. In Navamsa> > > > Jupiter is> > > > > > > > aspected by VENUS. So the connection expressed by Sreeram ji> > > > is> > > > > > > > valid to this horoscope.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > He is a good singer and plays musical instruments, especially> > > > > piano> > > > > > > > and organ well. Possesses a very good voice. A good orator> > > > too.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > blessings> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Renu> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > , "sreeram> > > > > srinivas"> > > > > > > > sreeram64@ wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Mr - Mr Sorabh Sharma ji,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Jupiter in Lagna has NO relation to music, unless it is> > > > conected> > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > Venus in some respect. Kindly provide the birth data {> > > > Lagna,> > > > > > > > Planets> > > > > > > > > in Lagna, planets aspecting the Lagna, Jupiter placement in> > > > a> > > > > > > > house, its> > > > > > > > > amsa position}> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > With regards,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Sreeram_Srinivas> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ,> > > > > "mrsorabhsharma"> > > > > > > > > <mrsorabhsharma@> wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Shreenadh> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > If i may make a contribution regarding this matter - I have> > > > > found> > > > > > > > > that jupiter in the lagna and strong mercury placement - or> > > > > > jupiter> > > > > > > > > aspecting lagna lord or lagna gives strong musical> > > > interests.> > > > > This> > > > > > > > > can be found in many musician charts also - including lata> > > > > > > > > mangeshkar and micheal jackson.But what is the signficance> > > > of a> > > > > > > > > planet like jupiter with music? I would love your thoughts> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Many thanks Kind regards> > > > > > > > > Sorabh SHarma> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 Indeed!!On 24/01/2008, Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: Dear Neelam ji, Yes - the reference provided by Durga ji is " Kumbhe Karkatavat " (if in Aquarius Jupiter gives results similar to in cancer; i.e. Jupiter in Aquarius is as strong as in Cancer) of Brihat Jataka of Mihira. It is a very joyous experience to have a scholar well versed in scriptures like Durga ji to be in the group. Love and regards,Sreenadh , " durga050 " <durga050 wrote:>> > Neelamji,> > Namastae,> > Though vakra , Jupiter is in vargottama and is in aquarius (when it > comes to Bala or strength , aquarius jupiter is at par with jupiter in> cancer , its exaltation sign )> > Durga> > > > , " neelam gupta " > neelamgupta07@ wrote:> >> > Dear Members,> > This is another case of a retrograde jupiter in lagna:> > Female: 17.8.1962/19.00/Delhi> > In this case Jup retrogrades in aquarius lagna with moon in lagna, 7H> has> > sun and mer, 5 with mars, 6H rahu, 8H ven, and 12H ketu & sat ®> > Here in contrast to Vijay's case, the lady is traditional, very > religious,> > shiv bhakt, does regular paths at home, of helping nature. She is> goodness> > personified,> > Regarding looks, she is good looking, light eyes (honey coloured), > broad> > shoulders, tall and stout> > Good education, works, but priority is family and children (not> overtly> > ambitious regarding work)> > The difference here appears to be the placement of moon with Jupiter. > > Jupiter-moon conjunction makes a person highly religious. They are the> ones> > who bend their heads when passing by a temple. They cannot say no to> anyone> > seeking their help. > > However, not forgetting the lordships, a retro jupiter (2L/11L), with> 6L in> > lagna has surely given her constant health problems.> > Regards> > Neelam> > > > On 24/01/2008, Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sheevani ji,> > > Nice description.. [image: ] Well said. [image: ]> > > Yes, if the Jupiter Centrics are going to the details they should > > > consider all the signs with Jupiter in lagna and assess how the> effect> > > varies - just a suggestion. [image: ]> > > Love and regards,> > > Sreenadh > > >> > >> > > , " sheevani147 " > > > sheevani147@ wrote:> > > >> > > > re.. Jupiter in lagna..> > > >> > > > I know 2 persons (both females) with Jupiter in lagna.. both seem > to> > > > be slim, have small chests and wide hips but other physical> features> > > > differ..> > > >> > > > 1st.. short, darker skintone, thick hair(coarse),, very determined > > > > obsessive nature, secretive,, not too concern with morals in> private> > > > life,( unmarrried mother of 2 kids), yet puts up a front of of> 'goody> > > > two shoes' Lagna is scopio, with jupiter and mercury.. Mars and > sun> > > > in 12H and shani in 2H.. therefore lagna hemmed between malefics..> > > > Moon/ketu in 5H.> > > >> > > > 2nd.. is tall, light skinned, broad shouldered, has air of > arrogance.> > > > very atheletic, keen on sports, plays sports too.. varied> interests,> > > > likes and dislikes very obvious.. very intelligent, dresses for> > > > comfort rather than dress to impress.. Lagna is Aquarius, with > only> > > > jupiter,, Jupiter aspects venus in gemini in 5H.. and ketu in 9H..> > > > Shani aspects jupiter from 10H> > > >> > > > And yes yes Jupiter aspecting venus in Gemini==. she is very > musical,> > > > plays several instuments and has a good voice, good at mimicry too> > > >> > > > Amother point of interest,, both these person studied LAW at> > > > university.. > > > >> > > > Regards> > > > Sheevani> > > >> > > > , " Sreenadh " > > > > sreesog@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Renu ji,> > > > > Well said! :=) > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > Sreenadh> > > > >> > > > > , " renunw " > <renunw@>> > > > > wrote:> > > > > Re: Jupiter in Lagna + Music> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji, > > > > >> > > > > " Jupiter in lagna in the Nakshastra of VENUS.> > > > > <==> > > > > I object!! Nakshatra we are not considering currently! > > > > > ==>> > > > > > In Navamsa Jupiter is aspected by VENUS. So the connection> > > > expressed> > > > > by Sreeram ji is> > > > > > valid to this horoscope. > > > > > <==> > > > > I object!! In Navamsa aspect is NOT considered, and so the> > > > argument> > > > > stands cancelled. " > > > > > > > > > > I thought it is usually the duty of the lawyer/lawyers [Arjun ji> & > > > > > Sreenivas ji] to object to any argument brought out by the other> > > > party. > > > > > I consider you as the judge in all these cases...and you could> have> > > > > overruled or sustained the objection, if and when brought about> by> > > > the > > > > > learned members in this case [thread].> > > > >> > > > > Anyway the statement by Sreenivas ji was:> > > > >> > > > > " Jupiter in Lagna has NO relation to music, unless it is > conected to> > > > > Venus in some respect. Kindly provide the birth data { Lagna,> > > > Planets> > > > > in Lagna, planets aspecting the Lagna, Jupiter placement in a > > > > house, its> > > > > amsa position} " > > > > >> > > > > Hon. Sir, it was the learned counsel who has invited to provide> > > > birth > > > > > data where Jupiter has some connection to Venus even in its Amsa> > > > > Position.> > > > >> > > > > So I appeal to consider your objection once again. > > > > >> > > > > Thank you sir > > > > >> > > > > blessings> > > > >> > > > > Renu> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > @> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > , " Sreenadh " > > > > > > sreesog@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Renu ji,> > > > > > > ==> > > > > > > > > Jupiter in lagna in the Nakshastra of VENUS.> > > > > > > <==> > > > > > > I object!! Nakshatra we are not considering currently! > > > > > > > ==>> > > > > > > > In Navamsa Jupiter is aspected by VENUS. So the connection> > > > > expressed> > > > > > > by Sreeram ji is > > > > > > > > valid to this horoscope.> > > > > > > <==> > > > > > > I object!! In Navamsa aspect is NOT considered, and so the> > > > argument > > > > > > > stands cancelled. > > > > > > > ==>> > > > > > > > He is a good singer and plays musical instruments,> especially > > > > > piano> > > > > > > > and organ well. Possesses a very good voice. A good orator> > > > too.> > > > > > > <==> > > > > > > And I wonder, does it goes in favor of Sorabh ji? > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > >> > > > > > > , " renunw " > > > > renunw@> > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Sorabh ji and Sreeram ji > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I quote the following lines by Sreeram ji and would give> an> > > > > example> > > > > > > > horoscope. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > " Jupiter in Lagna has NO relation to music, unless it is> > > > connected> > > > > > to > > > > > > > > Venus in some respect.'> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 14th Dec, 1984 at 8.26 AM in Colombo, Sri Lanka.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter in lagna in the Nakshastra of VENUS. In Navamsa> > > > Jupiter is> > > > > > > > aspected by VENUS. So the connection expressed by Sreeram > ji> > > > is> > > > > > > > valid to this horoscope.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > He is a good singer and plays musical instruments, > especially> > > > > piano> > > > > > > > and organ well. Possesses a very good voice. A good orator> > > > too.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blessings> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Renu> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > , " sreeram> > > > > srinivas " > > > > > > > > sreeram64@ wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr - Mr Sorabh Sharma ji,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Jupiter in Lagna has NO relation to music, unless it is > > > > conected> > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > Venus in some respect. Kindly provide the birth data {> > > > Lagna,> > > > > > > > Planets > > > > > > > > > in Lagna, planets aspecting the Lagna, Jupiter placement> in> > > > a> > > > > > > > house, its> > > > > > > > > amsa position} > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > With regards,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Sreeram_Srinivas > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ,> > > > > " mrsorabhsharma " > > > > > > > > > <mrsorabhsharma@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shreenadh> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > If i may make a contribution regarding this matter - I> have > > > > > found> > > > > > > > > that jupiter in the lagna and strong mercury placement -> or> > > > > > jupiter> > > > > > > > > aspecting lagna lord or lagna gives strong musical > > > > interests.> > > > > This> > > > > > > > > can be found in many musician charts also - including> lata> > > > > > > > > mangeshkar and micheal jackson.But what is the> signficance> > > > of a> > > > > > > > > planet like jupiter with music? I would love your> thoughts> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many thanks Kind regards> > > > > > > > > Sorabh SHarma> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 Dear Sreenadh ji, " Kumbhe Karkatavat " (if in Aquarius Jupiter gives results similar to in cancer; i.e. Jupiter in Aquarius is as strong as in Cancer) of Brihat Jataka of Mihira. " Can you please explain the reason for this? Jupiter gets debilitated in one sign owned by Saturn but in the other sign owned by Sa it is as strong as if its exalted. There should be a good and interesting logic behind this.... of which I am ignorant. I tried to analyze...nakshastra, Kalapurusha etc.etc. but failed. Hence awaiting your response....thanks. blessings Renu , " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote: > > > Dear Neelam ji, > > Yes - the reference provided by Durga ji is " Kumbhe Karkatavat " (if in > Aquarius Jupiter gives results similar to in cancer; i.e. Jupiter in > Aquarius is as strong as in Cancer) of Brihat Jataka of Mihira. > > It is a very joyous experience to have a scholar well versed in > scriptures like Durga ji to be in the group. > > Love and regards, > Sreenadh > > , " durga050 " > <durga050@> wrote: > > > > > > Neelamji, > > > > Namastae, > > > > Though vakra , Jupiter is in vargottama and is in aquarius (when it > > comes to Bala or strength , aquarius jupiter is at par with jupiter in > > cancer , its exaltation sign ) > > > > Durga > > > > > > > > , " neelam gupta " > > neelamgupta07@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > This is another case of a retrograde jupiter in lagna: > > > Female: 17.8.1962/19.00/Delhi > > > In this case Jup retrogrades in aquarius lagna with moon in lagna, > 7H > > has > > > sun and mer, 5 with mars, 6H rahu, 8H ven, and 12H ketu & sat ® > > > Here in contrast to Vijay's case, the lady is traditional, very > > religious, > > > shiv bhakt, does regular paths at home, of helping nature. She is > > goodness > > > personified, > > > Regarding looks, she is good looking, light eyes (honey coloured), > > broad > > > shoulders, tall and stout > > > Good education, works, but priority is family and children (not > > overtly > > > ambitious regarding work) > > > The difference here appears to be the placement of moon with > Jupiter. > > > Jupiter-moon conjunction makes a person highly religious. They are > the > > ones > > > who bend their heads when passing by a temple. They cannot say no to > > anyone > > > seeking their help. > > > However, not forgetting the lordships, a retro jupiter (2L/11L), > with > > 6L in > > > lagna has surely given her constant health problems. > > > Regards > > > Neelam > > > > > > On 24/01/2008, Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sheevani ji, > > > > Nice description.. [image: ] Well said. [image: ] > > > > Yes, if the Jupiter Centrics are going to the details they should > > > > consider all the signs with Jupiter in lagna and assess how the > > effect > > > > varies - just a suggestion. [image: ] > > > > Love and regards, > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , " sheevani147 " > > > > sheevani147@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > re.. Jupiter in lagna.. > > > > > > > > > > I know 2 persons (both females) with Jupiter in lagna.. both > seem > > to > > > > > be slim, have small chests and wide hips but other physical > > features > > > > > differ.. > > > > > > > > > > 1st.. short, darker skintone, thick hair(coarse),, very > determined > > > > > obsessive nature, secretive,, not too concern with morals in > > private > > > > > life,( unmarrried mother of 2 kids), yet puts up a front of of > > 'goody > > > > > two shoes' Lagna is scopio, with jupiter and mercury.. Mars and > > sun > > > > > in 12H and shani in 2H.. therefore lagna hemmed between > malefics.. > > > > > Moon/ketu in 5H. > > > > > > > > > > 2nd.. is tall, light skinned, broad shouldered, has air of > > arrogance. > > > > > very atheletic, keen on sports, plays sports too.. varied > > interests, > > > > > likes and dislikes very obvious.. very intelligent, dresses for > > > > > comfort rather than dress to impress.. Lagna is Aquarius, with > > only > > > > > jupiter,, Jupiter aspects venus in gemini in 5H.. and ketu in > 9H.. > > > > > Shani aspects jupiter from 10H > > > > > > > > > > And yes yes Jupiter aspecting venus in Gemini==. she is very > > musical, > > > > > plays several instuments and has a good voice, good at mimicry > too > > > > > > > > > > Amother point of interest,, both these person studied LAW at > > > > > university.. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > Sheevani > > > > > > > > > > , " Sreenadh " > > > > > sreesog@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Renu ji, > > > > > > Well said! :=) > > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > , " renunw " > > <renunw@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Re: Jupiter in Lagna + Music > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > " Jupiter in lagna in the Nakshastra of VENUS. > > > > > > <== > > > > > > I object!! Nakshatra we are not considering currently! > > > > > > ==> > > > > > > > In Navamsa Jupiter is aspected by VENUS. So the connection > > > > > expressed > > > > > > by Sreeram ji is > > > > > > > valid to this horoscope. > > > > > > <== > > > > > > I object!! In Navamsa aspect is NOT considered, and so the > > > > > argument > > > > > > stands cancelled. " > > > > > > > > > > > > I thought it is usually the duty of the lawyer/lawyers [Arjun > ji > > & > > > > > > Sreenivas ji] to object to any argument brought out by the > other > > > > > party. > > > > > > I consider you as the judge in all these cases...and you could > > have > > > > > > overruled or sustained the objection, if and when brought > about > > by > > > > > the > > > > > > learned members in this case [thread]. > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway the statement by Sreenivas ji was: > > > > > > > > > > > > " Jupiter in Lagna has NO relation to music, unless it is > > conected to > > > > > > Venus in some respect. Kindly provide the birth data { Lagna, > > > > > Planets > > > > > > in Lagna, planets aspecting the Lagna, Jupiter placement in a > > > > > house, its > > > > > > amsa position} " > > > > > > > > > > > > Hon. Sir, it was the learned counsel who has invited to > provide > > > > > birth > > > > > > data where Jupiter has some connection to Venus even in its > Amsa > > > > > > Position. > > > > > > > > > > > > So I appeal to consider your objection once again. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you sir > > > > > > > > > > > > blessings > > > > > > > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , " Sreenadh " > > > > > > > sreesog@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Renu ji, > > > > > > > > ==> > > > > > > > > > Jupiter in lagna in the Nakshastra of VENUS. > > > > > > > > <== > > > > > > > > I object!! Nakshatra we are not considering currently! > > > > > > > > ==> > > > > > > > > > In Navamsa Jupiter is aspected by VENUS. So the > connection > > > > > > expressed > > > > > > > > by Sreeram ji is > > > > > > > > > valid to this horoscope. > > > > > > > > <== > > > > > > > > I object!! In Navamsa aspect is NOT considered, and so the > > > > > argument > > > > > > > > stands cancelled. > > > > > > > > ==> > > > > > > > > > He is a good singer and plays musical instruments, > > especially > > > > > > piano > > > > > > > > > and organ well. Possesses a very good voice. A good > orator > > > > > too. > > > > > > > > <== > > > > > > > > And I wonder, does it goes in favor of Sorabh ji? > > > > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , " renunw " > > > > > renunw@ > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sorabh ji and Sreeram ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I quote the following lines by Sreeram ji and would give > > an > > > > > > example > > > > > > > > > horoscope. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Jupiter in Lagna has NO relation to music, unless it is > > > > > connected > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > Venus in some respect.' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 14th Dec, 1984 at 8.26 AM in Colombo, Sri Lanka. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter in lagna in the Nakshastra of VENUS. In Navamsa > > > > > Jupiter is > > > > > > > > > aspected by VENUS. So the connection expressed by > Sreeram > > ji > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > valid to this horoscope. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He is a good singer and plays musical instruments, > > especially > > > > > > piano > > > > > > > > > and organ well. Possesses a very good voice. A good > orator > > > > > too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blessings > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > " sreeram > > > > > > srinivas " > > > > > > > > > sreeram64@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr - Mr Sorabh Sharma ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter in Lagna has NO relation to music, unless it > is > > > > > conected > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > Venus in some respect. Kindly provide the birth data { > > > > > Lagna, > > > > > > > > > Planets > > > > > > > > > > in Lagna, planets aspecting the Lagna, Jupiter > placement > > in > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > house, its > > > > > > > > > > amsa position} > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreeram_Srinivas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > " mrsorabhsharma " > > > > > > > > > > <mrsorabhsharma@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If i may make a contribution regarding this matter - I > > have > > > > > > found > > > > > > > > > > that jupiter in the lagna and strong mercury placement > - > > or > > > > > > > jupiter > > > > > > > > > > aspecting lagna lord or lagna gives strong musical > > > > > interests. > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > can be found in many musician charts also - including > > lata > > > > > > > > > > mangeshkar and micheal jackson.But what is the > > signficance > > > > > of a > > > > > > > > > > planet like jupiter with music? I would love your > > thoughts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many thanks Kind regards > > > > > > > > > > Sorabh SHarma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 Dear Renu ji,==>> "Kumbhe Karkatavat" (if in Aquarius Jupiter gives results similar to > in cancer; i.e. Jupiter in Aquarius is as strong as in Cancer) of > Brihat Jataka of Mihira. "> Can you please explain the reason for this?<== Danger!!! Bhas gaya!! The easy way out is - I don't know Ok - May be - * because Aquarius is 11th in NH and 11th is good for all planets? * because 9th lord in 11th as per NH is good? Also is it because 11th is 3rd (Upachaya house) from 9th? * Is it because Jupiter owns 2nd and 11th houses from Aquarius, and because of that will produce beneficial results? * Is it because Jupiter's and Saturn's exaltation houses are in 4-10 axis and when connected they can become Paraspara karaka (mutual significator) and thus Jupiter in Aquarius is similar to Jupiter in Cancer? Then why not the same told for Jupiter in Libra (the exaltation house of Saturn)? * Or is it because, for Jupiter in Cancer - 9th lord from Cancer (Ju) is exalted in Cancer; and on the contrary for Jupiter in Aquarius (but giving similar results) - the lagna lord (Sa) is exalted in 9th from Aquarius (in Libra)? * For Jupiter in cancer, the lagna lord is exalted in 11th and Jupiter owns 9th; Similarly for Jupiter in Aquarius, Jupiter owns 11th and the lagna lord is exalted in 9th. There could be a variety of reasons or logics behind - but to be brief - your question, baffled me to no end, and threw me in no man's (no, not even women's) land!! But that was a wonderful question!! Now let other logicians find there wits end.. and I too will stand-watch and enjoy! Love and regards,Sreenadh , "renunw" <renunw wrote:>> Dear Sreenadh ji,> > "Kumbhe Karkatavat" (if in Aquarius Jupiter gives results similar to > in cancer; i.e. Jupiter in Aquarius is as strong as in Cancer) of > Brihat Jataka of Mihira. "> > Can you please explain the reason for this?> > Jupiter gets debilitated in one sign owned by Saturn but in the > other sign owned by Sa it is as strong as if its exalted. There > should be a good and interesting logic behind this.... of which I am > ignorant. I tried to analyze...nakshastra, Kalapurusha etc.etc. but > failed.> > Hence awaiting your response....thanks.> > blessings> > Renu> > > > > , "Sreenadh" > sreesog@ wrote:> >> > > > Dear Neelam ji,> > > > Yes - the reference provided by Durga ji is "Kumbhe Karkatavat" > (if in> > Aquarius Jupiter gives results similar to in cancer; i.e. Jupiter > in> > Aquarius is as strong as in Cancer) of Brihat Jataka of Mihira.> > > > It is a very joyous experience to have a scholar well versed in> > scriptures like Durga ji to be in the group.> > > > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> > > > , "durga050"> > <durga050@> wrote:> > >> > >> > > Neelamji,> > >> > > Namastae,> > >> > > Though vakra , Jupiter is in vargottama and is in aquarius (when > it> > > comes to Bala or strength , aquarius jupiter is at par with > jupiter in> > > cancer , its exaltation sign )> > >> > > Durga> > >> > >> > >> > > , "neelam gupta"> > > neelamgupta07@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Members,> > > > This is another case of a retrograde jupiter in lagna:> > > > Female: 17.8.1962/19.00/Delhi> > > > In this case Jup retrogrades in aquarius lagna with moon in > lagna,> > 7H> > > has> > > > sun and mer, 5 with mars, 6H rahu, 8H ven, and 12H ketu & sat > ®> > > > Here in contrast to Vijay's case, the lady is traditional, very> > > religious,> > > > shiv bhakt, does regular paths at home, of helping nature. She > is> > > goodness> > > > personified,> > > > Regarding looks, she is good looking, light eyes (honey > coloured),> > > broad> > > > shoulders, tall and stout> > > > Good education, works, but priority is family and children (not> > > overtly> > > > ambitious regarding work)> > > > The difference here appears to be the placement of moon with> > Jupiter.> > > > Jupiter-moon conjunction makes a person highly religious. They > are> > the> > > ones> > > > who bend their heads when passing by a temple. They cannot say > no to> > > anyone> > > > seeking their help.> > > > However, not forgetting the lordships, a retro jupiter > (2L/11L),> > with> > > 6L in> > > > lagna has surely given her constant health problems.> > > > Regards> > > > Neelam> > > >> > > > On 24/01/2008, Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sheevani ji,> > > > > Nice description.. [image: ] Well said. [image: ]> > > > > Yes, if the Jupiter Centrics are going to the details they > should> > > > > consider all the signs with Jupiter in lagna and assess how > the> > > effect> > > > > varies - just a suggestion. [image: ]> > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > Sreenadh> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > , "sheevani147"> > > > > sheevani147@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > re.. Jupiter in lagna..> > > > > >> > > > > > I know 2 persons (both females) with Jupiter in lagna.. > both> > seem> > > to> > > > > > be slim, have small chests and wide hips but other physical> > > features> > > > > > differ..> > > > > >> > > > > > 1st.. short, darker skintone, thick hair(coarse),, very> > determined> > > > > > obsessive nature, secretive,, not too concern with morals > in> > > private> > > > > > life,( unmarrried mother of 2 kids), yet puts up a front > of of> > > 'goody> > > > > > two shoes' Lagna is scopio, with jupiter and mercury.. > Mars and> > > sun> > > > > > in 12H and shani in 2H.. therefore lagna hemmed between> > malefics..> > > > > > Moon/ketu in 5H.> > > > > >> > > > > > 2nd.. is tall, light skinned, broad shouldered, has air of> > > arrogance.> > > > > > very atheletic, keen on sports, plays sports too.. varied> > > interests,> > > > > > likes and dislikes very obvious.. very intelligent, > dresses for> > > > > > comfort rather than dress to impress.. Lagna is Aquarius, > with> > > only> > > > > > jupiter,, Jupiter aspects venus in gemini in 5H.. and ketu > in> > 9H..> > > > > > Shani aspects jupiter from 10H> > > > > >> > > > > > And yes yes Jupiter aspecting venus in Gemini==. she is > very> > > musical,> > > > > > plays several instuments and has a good voice, good at > mimicry> > too> > > > > >> > > > > > Amother point of interest,, both these person studied LAW > at> > > > > > university..> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards> > > > > > Sheevani> > > > > >> > > > > > , "Sreenadh"> > > > > > sreesog@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Renu ji,> > > > > > > Well said! :=)> > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > >> > > > > > > , "renunw"> > > <renunw@>> > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > Re: Jupiter in Lagna + Music> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > "Jupiter in lagna in the Nakshastra of VENUS.> > > > > > > <==> > > > > > > I object!! Nakshatra we are not considering currently!> > > > > > > ==>> > > > > > > > In Navamsa Jupiter is aspected by VENUS. So the > connection> > > > > > expressed> > > > > > > by Sreeram ji is> > > > > > > > valid to this horoscope.> > > > > > > <==> > > > > > > I object!! In Navamsa aspect is NOT considered, and so > the> > > > > > argument> > > > > > > stands cancelled. ;)"> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I thought it is usually the duty of the lawyer/lawyers > [Arjun> > ji> > > & > > > > > > > Sreenivas ji] to object to any argument brought out by > the> > other> > > > > > party.> > > > > > > I consider you as the judge in all these cases...and you > could> > > have> > > > > > > overruled or sustained the objection, if and when brought> > about> > > by> > > > > > the> > > > > > > learned members in this case [thread].> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Anyway the statement by Sreenivas ji was:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > "Jupiter in Lagna has NO relation to music, unless it is> > > conected to> > > > > > > Venus in some respect. Kindly provide the birth data { > Lagna,> > > > > > Planets> > > > > > > in Lagna, planets aspecting the Lagna, Jupiter placement > in a> > > > > > house, its> > > > > > > amsa position}"> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Hon. Sir, it was the learned counsel who has invited to> > provide> > > > > > birth> > > > > > > data where Jupiter has some connection to Venus even in > its> > Amsa> > > > > > > Position.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > So I appeal to consider your objection once again.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Thank you sir > > > > > > >> > > > > > > blessings> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Renu> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > @> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > , "Sreenadh"> > > > > > > > sreesog@ wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Renu ji,> > > > > > > > > ==>> > > > > > > > > > Jupiter in lagna in the Nakshastra of VENUS.> > > > > > > > > <==> > > > > > > > > I object!! Nakshatra we are not considering > currently!> > > > > > > > > ==>> > > > > > > > > > In Navamsa Jupiter is aspected by VENUS. So the> > connection> > > > > > > expressed> > > > > > > > > by Sreeram ji is> > > > > > > > > > valid to this horoscope.> > > > > > > > > <==> > > > > > > > > I object!! In Navamsa aspect is NOT considered, and > so the> > > > > > argument> > > > > > > > > stands cancelled. > > > > > > > > > ==>> > > > > > > > > > He is a good singer and plays musical instruments,> > > especially> > > > > > > piano> > > > > > > > > > and organ well. Possesses a very good voice. A good> > orator> > > > > > too.> > > > > > > > > <==> > > > > > > > > And I wonder, does it goes in favor of Sorabh ji? > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > , "renunw"> > > > > > renunw@> > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Sorabh ji and Sreeram ji> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I quote the following lines by Sreeram ji and > would give> > > an> > > > > > > example> > > > > > > > > > horoscope.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > "Jupiter in Lagna has NO relation to music, unless > it is> > > > > > connected> > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > Venus in some respect.'> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 14th Dec, 1984 at 8.26 AM in Colombo, Sri Lanka.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Jupiter in lagna in the Nakshastra of VENUS. In > Navamsa> > > > > > Jupiter is> > > > > > > > > > aspected by VENUS. So the connection expressed by> > Sreeram> > > ji> > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > valid to this horoscope.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > He is a good singer and plays musical instruments,> > > especially> > > > > > > piano> > > > > > > > > > and organ well. Possesses a very good voice. A good> > orator> > > > > > too.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > blessings> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Renu> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ,> > "sreeram> > > > > > > srinivas"> > > > > > > > > > sreeram64@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr - Mr Sorabh Sharma ji,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter in Lagna has NO relation to music, > unless it> > is> > > > > > conected> > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > Venus in some respect. Kindly provide the birth > data {> > > > > > Lagna,> > > > > > > > > > Planets> > > > > > > > > > > in Lagna, planets aspecting the Lagna, Jupiter> > placement> > > in> > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > house, its> > > > > > > > > > > amsa position}> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > With regards,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Sreeram_Srinivas> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ,> > > > > > > "mrsorabhsharma"> > > > > > > > > > > <mrsorabhsharma@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shreenadh> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > If i may make a contribution regarding this > matter - I> > > have> > > > > > > found> > > > > > > > > > > that jupiter in the lagna and strong mercury > placement> > -> > > or> > > > > > > > jupiter> > > > > > > > > > > aspecting lagna lord or lagna gives strong > musical> > > > > > interests.> > > > > > > This> > > > > > > > > > > can be found in many musician charts also - > including> > > lata> > > > > > > > > > > mangeshkar and micheal jackson.But what is the> > > signficance> > > > > > of a> > > > > > > > > > > planet like jupiter with music? I would love your> > > thoughts> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Many thanks Kind regards> > > > > > > > > > > Sorabh SHarma> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 Dear Sreenadh ji, "and threw me in no man's (no, not even women's) land!! " Oh!...you make me laugh so much!!! I knew that you would be equipped with more than one reason ....... how nicely you have connected the similarites of Jupiter in Cancer & Jupiter in Aquarius. Loads of thanks....much for making me laugh and not less for explaining the connection... blessings Renu , "Sreenadh" <sreesog wrote:>> > Dear Renu ji,> ==>> > "Kumbhe Karkatavat" (if in Aquarius Jupiter gives results similar to> > in cancer; i.e. Jupiter in Aquarius is as strong as in Cancer) of> > Brihat Jataka of Mihira. "> > Can you please explain the reason for this?> <==> Danger!!! Bhas gaya!! [] The easy way out is - I don't know [:">]> [] [;]> > Ok - May be -> * because Aquarius is 11th in NH and 11th is good for all planets?> * because 9th lord in 11th as per NH is good? Also is it because 11th> is 3rd (Upachaya house) from 9th?> * Is it because Jupiter owns 2nd and 11th houses from Aquarius, and> because of that will produce beneficial results?> * Is it because Jupiter's and Saturn's exaltation houses are in 4-10> axis and when connected they can become Paraspara karaka (mutual> significator) and thus Jupiter in Aquarius is similar to Jupiter in> Cancer? Then why not the same told for Jupiter in Libra (the exaltation> house of Saturn)?> * Or is it because, for Jupiter in Cancer - 9th lord from Cancer (Ju)> is exalted in Cancer; and on the contrary for Jupiter in Aquarius (but> giving similar results) - the lagna lord (Sa) is exalted in 9th from> Aquarius (in Libra)?> * For Jupiter in cancer, the lagna lord is exalted in 11th and> Jupiter owns 9th; Similarly for Jupiter in Aquarius, Jupiter owns 11th> and the lagna lord is exalted in 9th.> There could be a variety of reasons or logics behind - but to be brief> - your question, baffled me to no end, and threw me in no man's (no, not> even women's) land!! [] But that was a wonderful question!! [=D>] > Now let other logicians find there wits end.. [] and I too will> stand-watch and enjoy! []> Love and regards,> Sreenadh> > > , "renunw" renunw@> wrote:> >> > Dear Sreenadh ji,> >> > "Kumbhe Karkatavat" (if in Aquarius Jupiter gives results similar to> > in cancer; i.e. Jupiter in Aquarius is as strong as in Cancer) of> > Brihat Jataka of Mihira. "> >> > Can you please explain the reason for this?> >> > Jupiter gets debilitated in one sign owned by Saturn but in the> > other sign owned by Sa it is as strong as if its exalted. There> > should be a good and interesting logic behind this.... of which I am> > ignorant. I tried to analyze...nakshastra, Kalapurusha etc.etc. but> > failed.> >> > Hence awaiting your response....thanks.> >> > blessings> >> > Renu> >> >> >> >> > , "Sreenadh"> > sreesog@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear Neelam ji,> > >> > > Yes - the reference provided by Durga ji is "Kumbhe Karkatavat"> > (if in> > > Aquarius Jupiter gives results similar to in cancer; i.e. Jupiter> > in> > > Aquarius is as strong as in Cancer) of Brihat Jataka of Mihira.> > >> > > It is a very joyous experience to have a scholar well versed in> > > scriptures like Durga ji to be in the group.> > >> > > Love and regards,> > > Sreenadh> > >> > > , "durga050"> > > <durga050@> wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Neelamji,> > > >> > > > Namastae,> > > >> > > > Though vakra , Jupiter is in vargottama and is in aquarius (when> > it> > > > comes to Bala or strength , aquarius jupiter is at par with> > jupiter in> > > > cancer , its exaltation sign )> > > >> > > > Durga> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > , "neelam gupta"> > > > neelamgupta07@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Members,> > > > > This is another case of a retrograde jupiter in lagna:> > > > > Female: 17.8.1962/19.00/Delhi> > > > > In this case Jup retrogrades in aquarius lagna with moon in> > lagna,> > > 7H> > > > has> > > > > sun and mer, 5 with mars, 6H rahu, 8H ven, and 12H ketu & sat> > ®> > > > > Here in contrast to Vijay's case, the lady is traditional, very> > > > religious,> > > > > shiv bhakt, does regular paths at home, of helping nature. She> > is> > > > goodness> > > > > personified,> > > > > Regarding looks, she is good looking, light eyes (honey> > coloured),> > > > broad> > > > > shoulders, tall and stout> > > > > Good education, works, but priority is family and children (not> > > > overtly> > > > > ambitious regarding work)> > > > > The difference here appears to be the placement of moon with> > > Jupiter.> > > > > Jupiter-moon conjunction makes a person highly religious. They> > are> > > the> > > > ones> > > > > who bend their heads when passing by a temple. They cannot say> > no to> > > > anyone> > > > > seeking their help.> > > > > However, not forgetting the lordships, a retro jupiter> > (2L/11L),> > > with> > > > 6L in> > > > > lagna has surely given her constant health problems.> > > > > Regards> > > > > Neelam> > > > >> > > > > On 24/01/2008, Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Sheevani ji,> > > > > > Nice description.. [image: ] Well said. [image: ]> > > > > > Yes, if the Jupiter Centrics are going to the details they> > should> > > > > > consider all the signs with Jupiter in lagna and assess how> > the> > > > effect> > > > > > varies - just a suggestion. [image: ]> > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > --- In> > , "sheevani147"> > > > > > sheevani147@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > re.. Jupiter in lagna..> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I know 2 persons (both females) with Jupiter in lagna..> > both> > > seem> > > > to> > > > > > > be slim, have small chests and wide hips but other physical> > > > features> > > > > > > differ..> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 1st.. short, darker skintone, thick hair(coarse),, very> > > determined> > > > > > > obsessive nature, secretive,, not too concern with morals> > in> > > > private> > > > > > > life,( unmarrried mother of 2 kids), yet puts up a front> > of of> > > > 'goody> > > > > > > two shoes' Lagna is scopio, with jupiter and mercury..> > Mars and> > > > sun> > > > > > > in 12H and shani in 2H.. therefore lagna hemmed between> > > malefics..> > > > > > > Moon/ketu in 5H.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 2nd.. is tall, light skinned, broad shouldered, has air of> > > > arrogance.> > > > > > > very atheletic, keen on sports, plays sports too.. varied> > > > interests,> > > > > > > likes and dislikes very obvious.. very intelligent,> > dresses for> > > > > > > comfort rather than dress to impress.. Lagna is Aquarius,> > with> > > > only> > > > > > > jupiter,, Jupiter aspects venus in gemini in 5H.. and ketu> > in> > > 9H..> > > > > > > Shani aspects jupiter from 10H> > > > > > >> > > > > > > And yes yes Jupiter aspecting venus in Gemini==. she is> > very> > > > musical,> > > > > > > plays several instuments and has a good voice, good at> > mimicry> > > too> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Amother point of interest,, both these person studied LAW> > at> > > > > > > university..> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > Sheevani> > > > > > >> > > > > > > , "Sreenadh"> > > > > > > sreesog@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Renu ji,> > > > > > > > Well said! :=)> > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > , "renunw"> > > > <renunw@>> > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > Re: Jupiter in Lagna + Music> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > "Jupiter in lagna in the Nakshastra of VENUS.> > > > > > > > <==> > > > > > > > I object!! Nakshatra we are not considering currently!> > > > > > > > ==>> > > > > > > > > In Navamsa Jupiter is aspected by VENUS. So the> > connection> > > > > > > expressed> > > > > > > > by Sreeram ji is> > > > > > > > > valid to this horoscope.> > > > > > > > <==> > > > > > > > I object!! In Navamsa aspect is NOT considered, and so> > the> > > > > > > argument> > > > > > > > stands cancelled. ;)"> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I thought it is usually the duty of the lawyer/lawyers> > [Arjun> > > ji> > > > & > > > > > > > > Sreenivas ji] to object to any argument brought out by> > the> > > other> > > > > > > party.> > > > > > > > I consider you as the judge in all these cases...and you> > could> > > > have> > > > > > > > overruled or sustained the objection, if and when brought> > > about> > > > by> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > learned members in this case [thread].> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Anyway the statement by Sreenivas ji was:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > "Jupiter in Lagna has NO relation to music, unless it is> > > > conected to> > > > > > > > Venus in some respect. Kindly provide the birth data {> > Lagna,> > > > > > > Planets> > > > > > > > in Lagna, planets aspecting the Lagna, Jupiter placement> > in a> > > > > > > house, its> > > > > > > > amsa position}"> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Hon. Sir, it was the learned counsel who has invited to> > > provide> > > > > > > birth> > > > > > > > data where Jupiter has some connection to Venus even in> > its> > > Amsa> > > > > > > > Position.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > So I appeal to consider your objection once again.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Thank you sir > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > blessings> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Renu> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > @> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > --- In> > , "Sreenadh"> > > > > > > > > sreesog@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Renu ji,> > > > > > > > > > ==>> > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter in lagna in the Nakshastra of VENUS.> > > > > > > > > > <==> > > > > > > > > > I object!! Nakshatra we are not considering> > currently!> > > > > > > > > > ==>> > > > > > > > > > > In Navamsa Jupiter is aspected by VENUS. So the> > > connection> > > > > > > > expressed> > > > > > > > > > by Sreeram ji is> > > > > > > > > > > valid to this horoscope.> > > > > > > > > > <==> > > > > > > > > > I object!! In Navamsa aspect is NOT considered, and> > so the> > > > > > > argument> > > > > > > > > > stands cancelled. > > > > > > > > > > ==>> > > > > > > > > > > He is a good singer and plays musical instruments,> > > > especially> > > > > > > > piano> > > > > > > > > > > and organ well. Possesses a very good voice. A good> > > orator> > > > > > > too.> > > > > > > > > > <==> > > > > > > > > > And I wonder, does it goes in favor of Sorabh ji? > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > --- In> > , "renunw"> > > > > > > renunw@> > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sorabh ji and Sreeram ji> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > I quote the following lines by Sreeram ji and> > would give> > > > an> > > > > > > > example> > > > > > > > > > > horoscope.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > "Jupiter in Lagna has NO relation to music, unless> > it is> > > > > > > connected> > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > Venus in some respect.'> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > 14th Dec, 1984 at 8.26 AM in Colombo, Sri Lanka.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter in lagna in the Nakshastra of VENUS. In> > Navamsa> > > > > > > Jupiter is> > > > > > > > > > > aspected by VENUS. So the connection expressed by> > > Sreeram> > > > ji> > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > valid to this horoscope.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > He is a good singer and plays musical instruments,> > > > especially> > > > > > > > piano> > > > > > > > > > > and organ well. Possesses a very good voice. A good> > > orator> > > > > > > too.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > blessings> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Renu> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ,> > > "sreeram> > > > > > > > srinivas"> > > > > > > > > > > sreeram64@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr - Mr Sorabh Sharma ji,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter in Lagna has NO relation to music,> > unless it> > > is> > > > > > > conected> > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > Venus in some respect. Kindly provide the birth> > data {> > > > > > > Lagna,> > > > > > > > > > > Planets> > > > > > > > > > > > in Lagna, planets aspecting the Lagna, Jupiter> > > placement> > > > in> > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > > house, its> > > > > > > > > > > > amsa position}> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > With regards,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Sreeram_Srinivas> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ,> > > > > > > > "mrsorabhsharma"> > > > > > > > > > > > <mrsorabhsharma@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shreenadh> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > If i may make a contribution regarding this> > matter - I> > > > have> > > > > > > > found> > > > > > > > > > > > that jupiter in the lagna and strong mercury> > placement> > > -> > > > or> > > > > > > > > jupiter> > > > > > > > > > > > aspecting lagna lord or lagna gives strong> > musical> > > > > > > interests.> > > > > > > > This> > > > > > > > > > > > can be found in many musician charts also -> > including> > > > lata> > > > > > > > > > > > mangeshkar and micheal jackson.But what is the> > > > signficance> > > > > > > of a> > > > > > > > > > > > planet like jupiter with music? I would love your> > > > thoughts> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Many thanks Kind regards> > > > > > > > > > > > Sorabh SHarma> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 Dear Renu ji and Sreenadh ji,Although Brihat jatak has said that Jupiter in Kumbh is as strong as Jup in cancer. many other texts do not have good things to say about Jupiter's position in Aquarius. e.g saravali says:If Jupiter falls in Aquarius at the time of birth, one will be a tale-bearer, be ill disposed, interested in evil jobs, be chief among his racemen, be always attached to base men, be malicious, miserly, will suffer from diseases, will lose wealth on account his own utterances, be devoid of intelligence and virtues. Similarly, Jatak Bharnam says:Such a native is patient of a disease, foolish, devoid of wealth, excessively miserly, engaged in doing sins, troubled by diseases of teeth and stomach. According to Yavanjataka:Jupiter in Aquarius produces a cruel and wicked liar of odious character; one who is clever in bad crafts and in things pertaining to water; a leader of tribes who performs very vile acts; a greedy man, intent on faults in his own speech, who accomplishes his aim; one whose body is afflicted by pestilences having the nature of diseases; an unrighteous man (viyuktadharma), suffering from diseases of the genitals; one who lacks good qualities of the soul such as intelligence. However, Jatak Parijata in Ch. II says: Guru is exceedingly strong in Dhanu, Meen, Kark, Vrischik and during the time preceding mid day, in his northerly course, in his own Dreshkan, in his own Amsh and, when he succeeds in battle between Grahas. He has medium strength in the initial part of a Rasi, is quite strong in the middle and weak at the end. He is considered to be strong in retrograde motion in all Rasis except in the Rasi Makar, where he is in fall. He gives plenty of money, if in Lagn, or in Karm Bhava. (Jatak Parijata, Ch. II). Where does the truth lie???RegardsNeelam On 24/01/2008, Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: Dear Renu ji,==>> " Kumbhe Karkatavat " (if in Aquarius Jupiter gives results similar to > in cancer; i.e. Jupiter in Aquarius is as strong as in Cancer) of > Brihat Jataka of Mihira. " > Can you please explain the reason for this?<== Danger!!! Bhas gaya!! The easy way out is - I don't know Ok - May be - * because Aquarius is 11th in NH and 11th is good for all planets? * because 9th lord in 11th as per NH is good? Also is it because 11th is 3rd (Upachaya house) from 9th? * Is it because Jupiter owns 2nd and 11th houses from Aquarius, and because of that will produce beneficial results? * Is it because Jupiter's and Saturn's exaltation houses are in 4-10 axis and when connected they can become Paraspara karaka (mutual significator) and thus Jupiter in Aquarius is similar to Jupiter in Cancer? Then why not the same told for Jupiter in Libra (the exaltation house of Saturn)? * Or is it because, for Jupiter in Cancer - 9th lord from Cancer (Ju) is exalted in Cancer; and on the contrary for Jupiter in Aquarius (but giving similar results) - the lagna lord (Sa) is exalted in 9th from Aquarius (in Libra)? * For Jupiter in cancer, the lagna lord is exalted in 11th and Jupiter owns 9th; Similarly for Jupiter in Aquarius, Jupiter owns 11th and the lagna lord is exalted in 9th. There could be a variety of reasons or logics behind - but to be brief - your question, baffled me to no end, and threw me in no man's (no, not even women's) land!! But that was a wonderful question!! Now let other logicians find there wits end.. and I too will stand-watch and enjoy! Love and regards,Sreenadh , " renunw " <renunw wrote: >> Dear Sreenadh ji,> > " Kumbhe Karkatavat " (if in Aquarius Jupiter gives results similar to > in cancer; i.e. Jupiter in Aquarius is as strong as in Cancer) of > Brihat Jataka of Mihira. " > > Can you please explain the reason for this?> > Jupiter gets debilitated in one sign owned by Saturn but in the > other sign owned by Sa it is as strong as if its exalted. There > should be a good and interesting logic behind this.... of which I am > ignorant. I tried to analyze...nakshastra, Kalapurusha etc.etc. but > failed.> > Hence awaiting your response....thanks.> > blessings> > Renu> > > > > , " Sreenadh " > sreesog@ wrote:> >> > > > Dear Neelam ji,> > > > Yes - the reference provided by Durga ji is " Kumbhe Karkatavat " > (if in> > Aquarius Jupiter gives results similar to in cancer; i.e. Jupiter > in> > Aquarius is as strong as in Cancer) of Brihat Jataka of Mihira.> > > > It is a very joyous experience to have a scholar well versed in> > scriptures like Durga ji to be in the group. > > > > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> > > > , " durga050 " > > <durga050@> wrote:> > >> > >> > > Neelamji,> > >> > > Namastae,> > > > > > Though vakra , Jupiter is in vargottama and is in aquarius (when > it> > > comes to Bala or strength , aquarius jupiter is at par with > jupiter in> > > cancer , its exaltation sign ) > > >> > > Durga> > >> > >> > >> > > , " neelam gupta " > > > neelamgupta07@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Members,> > > > This is another case of a retrograde jupiter in lagna: > > > > Female: 17.8.1962/19.00/Delhi> > > > In this case Jup retrogrades in aquarius lagna with moon in > lagna,> > 7H> > > has> > > > sun and mer, 5 with mars, 6H rahu, 8H ven, and 12H ketu & sat > ®> > > > Here in contrast to Vijay's case, the lady is traditional, very> > > religious,> > > > shiv bhakt, does regular paths at home, of helping nature. She > is> > > goodness> > > > personified,> > > > Regarding looks, she is good looking, light eyes (honey > coloured),> > > broad> > > > shoulders, tall and stout > > > > Good education, works, but priority is family and children (not> > > overtly> > > > ambitious regarding work)> > > > The difference here appears to be the placement of moon with > > Jupiter.> > > > Jupiter-moon conjunction makes a person highly religious. They > are> > the> > > ones> > > > who bend their heads when passing by a temple. They cannot say > no to> > > anyone> > > > seeking their help.> > > > However, not forgetting the lordships, a retro jupiter > (2L/11L),> > with> > > 6L in > > > > lagna has surely given her constant health problems.> > > > Regards> > > > Neelam> > > >> > > > On 24/01/2008, Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote: > > > > >> > > > > Dear Sheevani ji,> > > > > Nice description.. [image: ] Well said. [image: ]> > > > > Yes, if the Jupiter Centrics are going to the details they > should> > > > > consider all the signs with Jupiter in lagna and assess how > the> > > effect> > > > > varies - just a suggestion. [image: ]> > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > , " sheevani147 " > > > > > sheevani147@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > re.. Jupiter in lagna..> > > > > > > > > > > > I know 2 persons (both females) with Jupiter in lagna.. > both> > seem> > > to> > > > > > be slim, have small chests and wide hips but other physical > > > features> > > > > > differ..> > > > > >> > > > > > 1st.. short, darker skintone, thick hair(coarse),, very> > determined> > > > > > obsessive nature, secretive,, not too concern with morals > in> > > private> > > > > > life,( unmarrried mother of 2 kids), yet puts up a front > of of> > > 'goody> > > > > > two shoes' Lagna is scopio, with jupiter and mercury.. > Mars and> > > sun> > > > > > in 12H and shani in 2H.. therefore lagna hemmed between> > malefics..> > > > > > Moon/ketu in 5H.> > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd.. is tall, light skinned, broad shouldered, has air of> > > arrogance.> > > > > > very atheletic, keen on sports, plays sports too.. varied> > > interests, > > > > > > likes and dislikes very obvious.. very intelligent, > dresses for> > > > > > comfort rather than dress to impress.. Lagna is Aquarius, > with> > > only > > > > > > jupiter,, Jupiter aspects venus in gemini in 5H.. and ketu > in> > 9H..> > > > > > Shani aspects jupiter from 10H> > > > > > > > > > > > And yes yes Jupiter aspecting venus in Gemini==. she is > very> > > musical,> > > > > > plays several instuments and has a good voice, good at > mimicry > > too> > > > > >> > > > > > Amother point of interest,, both these person studied LAW > at> > > > > > university..> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > Sheevani> > > > > >> > > > > > , " Sreenadh " > > > > > > sreesog@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Renu ji,> > > > > > > Well said! :=) > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > >> > > > > > > , " renunw " > > > <renunw@>> > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > Re: Jupiter in Lagna + Music> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > " Jupiter in lagna in the Nakshastra of VENUS.> > > > > > > <== > > > > > > > I object!! Nakshatra we are not considering currently!> > > > > > > ==>> > > > > > > > In Navamsa Jupiter is aspected by VENUS. So the > connection> > > > > > expressed> > > > > > > by Sreeram ji is> > > > > > > > valid to this horoscope.> > > > > > > <== > > > > > > > I object!! In Navamsa aspect is NOT considered, and so > the> > > > > > argument> > > > > > > stands cancelled. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I thought it is usually the duty of the lawyer/lawyers > [Arjun> > ji> > > & > > > > > > > Sreenivas ji] to object to any argument brought out by > the> > other> > > > > > party.> > > > > > > I consider you as the judge in all these cases...and you > could> > > have> > > > > > > overruled or sustained the objection, if and when brought > > about> > > by> > > > > > the> > > > > > > learned members in this case [thread].> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Anyway the statement by Sreenivas ji was: > > > > > > >> > > > > > > " Jupiter in Lagna has NO relation to music, unless it is> > > conected to> > > > > > > Venus in some respect. Kindly provide the birth data { > Lagna,> > > > > > Planets> > > > > > > in Lagna, planets aspecting the Lagna, Jupiter placement > in a> > > > > > house, its> > > > > > > amsa position} " > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Hon. Sir, it was the learned counsel who has invited to> > provide> > > > > > birth> > > > > > > data where Jupiter has some connection to Venus even in > its> > Amsa> > > > > > > Position.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > So I appeal to consider your objection once again.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you sir > > > > > > >> > > > > > > blessings> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > @> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Sreenadh " > > > > > > > > sreesog@ wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Renu ji,> > > > > > > > > ==> > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter in lagna in the Nakshastra of VENUS.> > > > > > > > > <==> > > > > > > > > I object!! Nakshatra we are not considering > currently!> > > > > > > > > ==>> > > > > > > > > > In Navamsa Jupiter is aspected by VENUS. So the> > connection> > > > > > > expressed > > > > > > > > > by Sreeram ji is> > > > > > > > > > valid to this horoscope.> > > > > > > > > <==> > > > > > > > > I object!! In Navamsa aspect is NOT considered, and > so the> > > > > > argument> > > > > > > > > stands cancelled. > > > > > > > > > ==>> > > > > > > > > > He is a good singer and plays musical instruments, > > > especially> > > > > > > piano> > > > > > > > > > and organ well. Possesses a very good voice. A good> > orator> > > > > > too. > > > > > > > > > <==> > > > > > > > > And I wonder, does it goes in favor of Sorabh ji? > > > > > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > , " renunw " > > > > > > renunw@> > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Sorabh ji and Sreeram ji > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I quote the following lines by Sreeram ji and > would give> > > an> > > > > > > example > > > > > > > > > > horoscope.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > " Jupiter in Lagna has NO relation to music, unless > it is> > > > > > connected> > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > Venus in some respect.'> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 14th Dec, 1984 at 8.26 AM in Colombo, Sri Lanka.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Jupiter in lagna in the Nakshastra of VENUS. In > Navamsa> > > > > > Jupiter is> > > > > > > > > > aspected by VENUS. So the connection expressed by> > Sreeram> > > ji> > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > valid to this horoscope.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > He is a good singer and plays musical instruments, > > > especially> > > > > > > piano> > > > > > > > > > and organ well. Possesses a very good voice. A good> > orator> > > > > > too. > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > blessings> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ,> > " sreeram> > > > > > > srinivas " > > > > > > > > > > sreeram64@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr - Mr Sorabh Sharma ji, > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter in Lagna has NO relation to music, > unless it> > is> > > > > > conected > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > Venus in some respect. Kindly provide the birth > data {> > > > > > Lagna,> > > > > > > > > > Planets > > > > > > > > > > > in Lagna, planets aspecting the Lagna, Jupiter> > placement> > > in> > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > house, its > > > > > > > > > > > amsa position}> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > With regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreeram_Srinivas> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ,> > > > > > > " mrsorabhsharma " > > > > > > > > > > > <mrsorabhsharma@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shreenadh> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > If i may make a contribution regarding this > matter - I> > > have> > > > > > > found> > > > > > > > > > > that jupiter in the lagna and strong mercury > placement> > - > > > or> > > > > > > > jupiter> > > > > > > > > > > aspecting lagna lord or lagna gives strong > musical> > > > > > interests. > > > > > > > This> > > > > > > > > > > can be found in many musician charts also - > including> > > lata> > > > > > > > > > > mangeshkar and micheal jackson.But what is the> > > signficance> > > > > > of a> > > > > > > > > > > planet like jupiter with music? I would love your> > > thoughts > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Many thanks Kind regards> > > > > > > > > > > Sorabh SHarma> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 namaste Shreenadh ji.. ''''Kumbhe Karkatavat " (if in Aquarius Jupiter gives results similar to > > in cancer; i.e. Jupiter in Aquarius is as strong as in Cancer) of > > Brihat Jataka of Mihira. " Could the answer lie in the fact that Jupiter is exalted in Pushya nakshatra(owned by shani) and shani is exalted in vishakha nakshatra( owned by jupiter)??? some sort of parivartana??? regards Sheevani , " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote: > > > Dear Renu ji, > ==> > > " Kumbhe Karkatavat " (if in Aquarius Jupiter gives results similar to > > in cancer; i.e. Jupiter in Aquarius is as strong as in Cancer) of > > Brihat Jataka of Mihira. " > > Can you please explain the reason for this? > <== > Danger!!! Bhas gaya!! [] The easy way out is - I don't know [: " >] > [] [;] > > Ok - May be - > * because Aquarius is 11th in NH and 11th is good for all planets? > * because 9th lord in 11th as per NH is good? Also is it because 11th > is 3rd (Upachaya house) from 9th? > * Is it because Jupiter owns 2nd and 11th houses from Aquarius, and > because of that will produce beneficial results? > * Is it because Jupiter's and Saturn's exaltation houses are in 4-10 > axis and when connected they can become Paraspara karaka (mutual > significator) and thus Jupiter in Aquarius is similar to Jupiter in > Cancer? Then why not the same told for Jupiter in Libra (the exaltation > house of Saturn)? > * Or is it because, for Jupiter in Cancer - 9th lord from Cancer (Ju) > is exalted in Cancer; and on the contrary for Jupiter in Aquarius (but > giving similar results) - the lagna lord (Sa) is exalted in 9th from > Aquarius (in Libra)? > * For Jupiter in cancer, the lagna lord is exalted in 11th and > Jupiter owns 9th; Similarly for Jupiter in Aquarius, Jupiter owns 11th > and the lagna lord is exalted in 9th. > There could be a variety of reasons or logics behind - but to be brief > - your question, baffled me to no end, and threw me in no man's (no, not > even women's) land!! [] But that was a wonderful question!! [=D>] > Now let other logicians find there wits end.. [] and I too will > stand-watch and enjoy! [] > Love and regards, > Sreenadh > > > , " renunw " <renunw@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji, > > > > " Kumbhe Karkatavat " (if in Aquarius Jupiter gives results similar to > > in cancer; i.e. Jupiter in Aquarius is as strong as in Cancer) of > > Brihat Jataka of Mihira. " > > > > Can you please explain the reason for this? > > > > Jupiter gets debilitated in one sign owned by Saturn but in the > > other sign owned by Sa it is as strong as if its exalted. There > > should be a good and interesting logic behind this.... of which I am > > ignorant. I tried to analyze...nakshastra, Kalapurusha etc.etc. but > > failed. > > > > Hence awaiting your response....thanks. > > > > blessings > > > > Renu > > > > > > > > > > , " Sreenadh " > > sreesog@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Neelam ji, > > > > > > Yes - the reference provided by Durga ji is " Kumbhe Karkatavat " > > (if in > > > Aquarius Jupiter gives results similar to in cancer; i.e. Jupiter > > in > > > Aquarius is as strong as in Cancer) of Brihat Jataka of Mihira. > > > > > > It is a very joyous experience to have a scholar well versed in > > > scriptures like Durga ji to be in the group. > > > > > > Love and regards, > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > , " durga050 " > > > <durga050@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelamji, > > > > > > > > Namastae, > > > > > > > > Though vakra , Jupiter is in vargottama and is in aquarius (when > > it > > > > comes to Bala or strength , aquarius jupiter is at par with > > jupiter in > > > > cancer , its exaltation sign ) > > > > > > > > Durga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " neelam gupta " > > > > neelamgupta07@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > This is another case of a retrograde jupiter in lagna: > > > > > Female: 17.8.1962/19.00/Delhi > > > > > In this case Jup retrogrades in aquarius lagna with moon in > > lagna, > > > 7H > > > > has > > > > > sun and mer, 5 with mars, 6H rahu, 8H ven, and 12H ketu & sat > > ® > > > > > Here in contrast to Vijay's case, the lady is traditional, very > > > > religious, > > > > > shiv bhakt, does regular paths at home, of helping nature. She > > is > > > > goodness > > > > > personified, > > > > > Regarding looks, she is good looking, light eyes (honey > > coloured), > > > > broad > > > > > shoulders, tall and stout > > > > > Good education, works, but priority is family and children (not > > > > overtly > > > > > ambitious regarding work) > > > > > The difference here appears to be the placement of moon with > > > Jupiter. > > > > > Jupiter-moon conjunction makes a person highly religious. They > > are > > > the > > > > ones > > > > > who bend their heads when passing by a temple. They cannot say > > no to > > > > anyone > > > > > seeking their help. > > > > > However, not forgetting the lordships, a retro jupiter > > (2L/11L), > > > with > > > > 6L in > > > > > lagna has surely given her constant health problems. > > > > > Regards > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > On 24/01/2008, Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sheevani ji, > > > > > > Nice description.. [image: ] Well said. [image: ] > > > > > > Yes, if the Jupiter Centrics are going to the details they > > should > > > > > > consider all the signs with Jupiter in lagna and assess how > > the > > > > effect > > > > > > varies - just a suggestion. [image: ] > > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > , " sheevani147 " > > > > > > sheevani147@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > re.. Jupiter in lagna.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know 2 persons (both females) with Jupiter in lagna.. > > both > > > seem > > > > to > > > > > > > be slim, have small chests and wide hips but other physical > > > > features > > > > > > > differ.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1st.. short, darker skintone, thick hair(coarse),, very > > > determined > > > > > > > obsessive nature, secretive,, not too concern with morals > > in > > > > private > > > > > > > life,( unmarrried mother of 2 kids), yet puts up a front > > of of > > > > 'goody > > > > > > > two shoes' Lagna is scopio, with jupiter and mercury.. > > Mars and > > > > sun > > > > > > > in 12H and shani in 2H.. therefore lagna hemmed between > > > malefics.. > > > > > > > Moon/ketu in 5H. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd.. is tall, light skinned, broad shouldered, has air of > > > > arrogance. > > > > > > > very atheletic, keen on sports, plays sports too.. varied > > > > interests, > > > > > > > likes and dislikes very obvious.. very intelligent, > > dresses for > > > > > > > comfort rather than dress to impress.. Lagna is Aquarius, > > with > > > > only > > > > > > > jupiter,, Jupiter aspects venus in gemini in 5H.. and ketu > > in > > > 9H.. > > > > > > > Shani aspects jupiter from 10H > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And yes yes Jupiter aspecting venus in Gemini==. she is > > very > > > > musical, > > > > > > > plays several instuments and has a good voice, good at > > mimicry > > > too > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amother point of interest,, both these person studied LAW > > at > > > > > > > university.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > Sheevani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , " Sreenadh " > > > > > > > sreesog@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Renu ji, > > > > > > > > Well said! :=) > > > > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , " renunw " > > > > <renunw@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Re: Jupiter in Lagna + Music > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Jupiter in lagna in the Nakshastra of VENUS. > > > > > > > > <== > > > > > > > > I object!! Nakshatra we are not considering currently! > > > > > > > > ==> > > > > > > > > > In Navamsa Jupiter is aspected by VENUS. So the > > connection > > > > > > > expressed > > > > > > > > by Sreeram ji is > > > > > > > > > valid to this horoscope. > > > > > > > > <== > > > > > > > > I object!! In Navamsa aspect is NOT considered, and so > > the > > > > > > > argument > > > > > > > > stands cancelled. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I thought it is usually the duty of the lawyer/lawyers > > [Arjun > > > ji > > > > & > > > > > > > > Sreenivas ji] to object to any argument brought out by > > the > > > other > > > > > > > party. > > > > > > > > I consider you as the judge in all these cases...and you > > could > > > > have > > > > > > > > overruled or sustained the objection, if and when brought > > > about > > > > by > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > learned members in this case [thread]. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway the statement by Sreenivas ji was: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Jupiter in Lagna has NO relation to music, unless it is > > > > conected to > > > > > > > > Venus in some respect. Kindly provide the birth data { > > Lagna, > > > > > > > Planets > > > > > > > > in Lagna, planets aspecting the Lagna, Jupiter placement > > in a > > > > > > > house, its > > > > > > > > amsa position} " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hon. Sir, it was the learned counsel who has invited to > > > provide > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > data where Jupiter has some connection to Venus even in > > its > > > Amsa > > > > > > > > Position. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So I appeal to consider your objection once again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you sir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blessings > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > , " Sreenadh " > > > > > > > > > sreesog@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Renu ji, > > > > > > > > > > ==> > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter in lagna in the Nakshastra of VENUS. > > > > > > > > > > <== > > > > > > > > > > I object!! Nakshatra we are not considering > > currently! > > > > > > > > > > ==> > > > > > > > > > > > In Navamsa Jupiter is aspected by VENUS. So the > > > connection > > > > > > > > expressed > > > > > > > > > > by Sreeram ji is > > > > > > > > > > > valid to this horoscope. > > > > > > > > > > <== > > > > > > > > > > I object!! In Navamsa aspect is NOT considered, and > > so the > > > > > > > argument > > > > > > > > > > stands cancelled. > > > > > > > > > > ==> > > > > > > > > > > > He is a good singer and plays musical instruments, > > > > especially > > > > > > > > piano > > > > > > > > > > > and organ well. Possesses a very good voice. A good > > > orator > > > > > > > too. > > > > > > > > > > <== > > > > > > > > > > And I wonder, does it goes in favor of Sorabh ji? > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > , " renunw " > > > > > > > renunw@ > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sorabh ji and Sreeram ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I quote the following lines by Sreeram ji and > > would give > > > > an > > > > > > > > example > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Jupiter in Lagna has NO relation to music, unless > > it is > > > > > > > connected > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > Venus in some respect.' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 14th Dec, 1984 at 8.26 AM in Colombo, Sri Lanka. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter in lagna in the Nakshastra of VENUS. In > > Navamsa > > > > > > > Jupiter is > > > > > > > > > > > aspected by VENUS. So the connection expressed by > > > Sreeram > > > > ji > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > valid to this horoscope. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He is a good singer and plays musical instruments, > > > > especially > > > > > > > > piano > > > > > > > > > > > and organ well. Possesses a very good voice. A good > > > orator > > > > > > > too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blessings > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > " sreeram > > > > > > > > srinivas " > > > > > > > > > > > sreeram64@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr - Mr Sorabh Sharma ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter in Lagna has NO relation to music, > > unless it > > > is > > > > > > > conected > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus in some respect. Kindly provide the birth > > data { > > > > > > > Lagna, > > > > > > > > > > > Planets > > > > > > > > > > > > in Lagna, planets aspecting the Lagna, Jupiter > > > placement > > > > in > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > house, its > > > > > > > > > > > > amsa position} > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreeram_Srinivas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , > > > > > > > > " mrsorabhsharma " > > > > > > > > > > > > <mrsorabhsharma@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If i may make a contribution regarding this > > matter - I > > > > have > > > > > > > > found > > > > > > > > > > > > that jupiter in the lagna and strong mercury > > placement > > > - > > > > or > > > > > > > > > jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > aspecting lagna lord or lagna gives strong > > musical > > > > > > > interests. > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > can be found in many musician charts also - > > including > > > > lata > > > > > > > > > > > > mangeshkar and micheal jackson.But what is the > > > > signficance > > > > > > > of a > > > > > > > > > > > > planet like jupiter with music? I would love your > > > > thoughts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many thanks Kind regards > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorabh SHarma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 Neelamji, Namastae, Aquarius is a sign in which Jupiter enjoys Bala or strength .Exaltation sign of any planet means the planet enjoy maximum strength in that sign. Jupiter at aquarius is at par with Jupiter in cancer doesn't mean , Jupiter will give identical result in both the signs .It imply Jupiter gets strengthened in aquarius and is comparable to its Bala or stength in cancer. Durga , "neelam gupta" <neelamgupta07 wrote:>> Dear Renu ji and Sreenadh ji,> > Although Brihat jatak has said that Jupiter in Kumbh is as strong as Jup in> cancer.> > many other texts do not have good things to say about Jupiter's position in> Aquarius.> > e.g saravali says:> If Jupiter falls in Aquarius at the time of birth, one will be a> tale-bearer, be ill disposed, interested in evil jobs, be chief among his> racemen, be always attached to base men, be malicious, miserly, will suffer> from diseases, will lose wealth on account his own utterances, be devoid of> intelligence and virtues.> > Similarly, Jatak Bharnam says:> Such a native is patient of a disease, foolish, devoid of wealth,> excessively miserly, engaged in doing sins, troubled by diseases of teeth> and stomach.> > According to Yavanjataka:> Jupiter in Aquarius produces a cruel and wicked liar of odious character;> one who is clever in bad crafts and in things pertaining to water; a leader> of tribes who performs very vile acts; a greedy man, intent on faults in his> own speech, who accomplishes his aim; one whose body is afflicted by> pestilences having the nature of diseases; an unrighteous man> (viyuktadharma), suffering from diseases of the genitals; one who lacks> good qualities of the soul such as intelligence.> > However, Jatak Parijata in Ch. II says:> Guru is exceedingly strong in Dhanu, Meen, Kark, Vrischik and during the> time preceding mid day, in his northerly course, in his own Dreshkan, in his> own Amsh and, when he succeeds in battle between Grahas. He has medium> strength in the initial part of a Rasi, is quite strong in the middle and> weak at the end. He is considered to be strong in retrograde motion in all> Rasis except in the Rasi Makar, where he is in fall.> He gives plenty of money, if in Lagn, or in Karm Bhava. (Jatak Parijata, Ch.> II).> > Where does the truth lie???> > Regards> Neelam> > > > > > On 24/01/2008, Sreenadh sreesog wrote:> >> > Dear Renu ji,> > ==>> > > "Kumbhe Karkatavat" (if in Aquarius Jupiter gives results similar to> > > in cancer; i.e. Jupiter in Aquarius is as strong as in Cancer) of> > > Brihat Jataka of Mihira. "> > *> Can you please explain the reason for this?*> > <==> > Danger!!! Bhas gaya!! [image: ] The easy way out is - I don't know [image:> > :">] [image: ] [image: ;]> >> > Ok - May be -> > * because Aquarius is 11th in NH and 11th is good for all planets?> > * because 9th lord in 11th as per NH is good? Also is it because 11th is> > 3rd (Upachaya house) from 9th?> > * Is it because Jupiter owns 2nd and 11th houses from Aquarius, and> > because of that will produce beneficial results?> > * Is it because Jupiter's and Saturn's exaltation houses are in 4-10> > axis and when connected they can become Paraspara karaka (mutual> > significator) and thus Jupiter in Aquarius is similar to Jupiter in Cancer?> > Then why not the same told for Jupiter in Libra (the exaltation house of> > Saturn)?> > * Or is it because, for Jupiter in Cancer - 9th lord from Cancer (Ju) is> > exalted in Cancer; and on the contrary for Jupiter in Aquarius (but giving> > similar results) - the lagna lord (Sa) is exalted in 9th from Aquarius (in> > Libra)?> > * For Jupiter in cancer, the lagna lord is exalted in 11th and Jupiter> > owns 9th; Similarly for Jupiter in Aquarius, Jupiter owns 11th and the> > lagna lord is exalted in 9th.> > There could be a variety of reasons or logics behind - but to be brief -> > your question, baffled me to no end, and threw me in no man's (no, not even> > women's) land!! [image: ] But that was a wonderful question!! [image:> > =D>] Now let other logicians find there wits end.. [image: ] and I too> > will stand-watch and enjoy! [image: ]> > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> >> >> > , "renunw" renunw@> > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > >> > > "Kumbhe Karkatavat" (if in Aquarius Jupiter gives results similar to> > > in cancer; i.e. Jupiter in Aquarius is as strong as in Cancer) of> > > Brihat Jataka of Mihira. "> > >> > > Can you please explain the reason for this?> > >> > > Jupiter gets debilitated in one sign owned by Saturn but in the> > > other sign owned by Sa it is as strong as if its exalted. There> > > should be a good and interesting logic behind this.... of which I am> > > ignorant. I tried to analyze...nakshastra, Kalapurusha etc.etc. but> > > failed.> > >> > > Hence awaiting your response....thanks.> > >> > > blessings> > >> > > Renu> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > , "Sreenadh"> > > sreesog@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Neelam ji,> > > >> > > > Yes - the reference provided by Durga ji is "Kumbhe Karkatavat"> > > (if in> > > > Aquarius Jupiter gives results similar to in cancer; i.e. Jupiter> > > in> > > > Aquarius is as strong as in Cancer) of Brihat Jataka of Mihira.> > > >> > > > It is a very joyous experience to have a scholar well versed in> > > > scriptures like Durga ji to be in the group.> > > >> > > > Love and regards,> > > > Sreenadh> > > >> > > > , "durga050"> > > > <durga050@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Neelamji,> > > > >> > > > > Namastae,> > > > >> > > > > Though vakra , Jupiter is in vargottama and is in aquarius (when> > > it> > > > > comes to Bala or strength , aquarius jupiter is at par with> > > jupiter in> > > > > cancer , its exaltation sign )> > > > >> > > > > Durga> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > , "neelam gupta"> > > > > neelamgupta07@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Members,> > > > > > This is another case of a retrograde jupiter in lagna:> > > > > > Female: 17.8.1962/19.00/Delhi> > > > > > In this case Jup retrogrades in aquarius lagna with moon in> > > lagna,> > > > 7H> > > > > has> > > > > > sun and mer, 5 with mars, 6H rahu, 8H ven, and 12H ketu & sat> > > ®> > > > > > Here in contrast to Vijay's case, the lady is traditional, very> > > > > religious,> > > > > > shiv bhakt, does regular paths at home, of helping nature. She> > > is> > > > > goodness> > > > > > personified,> > > > > > Regarding looks, she is good looking, light eyes (honey> > > coloured),> > > > > broad> > > > > > shoulders, tall and stout> > > > > > Good education, works, but priority is family and children (not> > > > > overtly> > > > > > ambitious regarding work)> > > > > > The difference here appears to be the placement of moon with> > > > Jupiter.> > > > > > Jupiter-moon conjunction makes a person highly religious. They> > > are> > > > the> > > > > ones> > > > > > who bend their heads when passing by a temple. They cannot say> > > no to> > > > > anyone> > > > > > seeking their help.> > > > > > However, not forgetting the lordships, a retro jupiter> > > (2L/11L),> > > > with> > > > > 6L in> > > > > > lagna has surely given her constant health problems.> > > > > > Regards> > > > > > Neelam> > > > > >> > > > > > On 24/01/2008, Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Sheevani ji,> > > > > > > Nice description.. [image: ] Well said. [image: ]> > > > > > > Yes, if the Jupiter Centrics are going to the details they> > > should> > > > > > > consider all the signs with Jupiter in lagna and assess how> > > the> > > > > effect> > > > > > > varies - just a suggestion. [image: ]> > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > --- In> > > , "sheevani147"> > > > > > > sheevani147@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > re.. Jupiter in lagna..> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I know 2 persons (both females) with Jupiter in lagna..> > > both> > > > seem> > > > > to> > > > > > > > be slim, have small chests and wide hips but other physical> > > > > features> > > > > > > > differ..> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 1st.. short, darker skintone, thick hair(coarse),, very> > > > determined> > > > > > > > obsessive nature, secretive,, not too concern with morals> > > in> > > > > private> > > > > > > > life,( unmarrried mother of 2 kids), yet puts up a front> > > of of> > > > > 'goody> > > > > > > > two shoes' Lagna is scopio, with jupiter and mercury..> > > Mars and> > > > > sun> > > > > > > > in 12H and shani in 2H.. therefore lagna hemmed between> > > > malefics..> > > > > > > > Moon/ketu in 5H.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 2nd.. is tall, light skinned, broad shouldered, has air of> > > > > arrogance.> > > > > > > > very atheletic, keen on sports, plays sports too.. varied> > > > > interests,> > > > > > > > likes and dislikes very obvious.. very intelligent,> > > dresses for> > > > > > > > comfort rather than dress to impress.. Lagna is Aquarius,> > > with> > > > > only> > > > > > > > jupiter,, Jupiter aspects venus in gemini in 5H.. and ketu> > > in> > > > 9H..> > > > > > > > Shani aspects jupiter from 10H> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > And yes yes Jupiter aspecting venus in Gemini==. she is> > > very> > > > > musical,> > > > > > > > plays several instuments and has a good voice, good at> > > mimicry> > > > too> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Amother point of interest,, both these person studied LAW> > > at> > > > > > > > university..> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > Sheevani> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > , "Sreenadh"> > > > > > > > sreesog@ wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Renu ji,> > > > > > > > > Well said! :=)> > > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > , "renunw"> > > > > <renunw@>> > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > Re: Jupiter in Lagna + Music> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > "Jupiter in lagna in the Nakshastra of VENUS.> > > > > > > > > <==> > > > > > > > > I object!! Nakshatra we are not considering currently!> > > > > > > > > ==>> > > > > > > > > > In Navamsa Jupiter is aspected by VENUS. So the> > > connection> > > > > > > > expressed> > > > > > > > > by Sreeram ji is> > > > > > > > > > valid to this horoscope.> > > > > > > > > <==> > > > > > > > > I object!! In Navamsa aspect is NOT considered, and so> > > the> > > > > > > > argument> > > > > > > > > stands cancelled. ;)"> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I thought it is usually the duty of the lawyer/lawyers> > > [Arjun> > > > ji> > > > > & > > > > > > > > > Sreenivas ji] to object to any argument brought out by> > > the> > > > other> > > > > > > > party.> > > > > > > > > I consider you as the judge in all these cases...and you> > > could> > > > > have> > > > > > > > > overruled or sustained the objection, if and when brought> > > > about> > > > > by> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > learned members in this case [thread].> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Anyway the statement by Sreenivas ji was:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > "Jupiter in Lagna has NO relation to music, unless it is> > > > > conected to> > > > > > > > > Venus in some respect. Kindly provide the birth data {> > > Lagna,> > > > > > > > Planets> > > > > > > > > in Lagna, planets aspecting the Lagna, Jupiter placement> > > in a> > > > > > > > house, its> > > > > > > > > amsa position}"> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Hon. Sir, it was the learned counsel who has invited to> > > > provide> > > > > > > > birth> > > > > > > > > data where Jupiter has some connection to Venus even in> > > its> > > > Amsa> > > > > > > > > Position.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > So I appeal to consider your objection once again.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Thank you sir > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > blessings> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Renu> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > @> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > --- In> > > , "Sreenadh"> > > > > > > > > > sreesog@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Renu ji,> > > > > > > > > > > ==>> > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter in lagna in the Nakshastra of VENUS.> > > > > > > > > > > <==> > > > > > > > > > > I object!! Nakshatra we are not considering> > > currently!> > > > > > > > > > > ==>> > > > > > > > > > > > In Navamsa Jupiter is aspected by VENUS. So the> > > > connection> > > > > > > > > expressed> > > > > > > > > > > by Sreeram ji is> > > > > > > > > > > > valid to this horoscope.> > > > > > > > > > > <==> > > > > > > > > > > I object!! In Navamsa aspect is NOT considered, and> > > so the> > > > > > > > argument> > > > > > > > > > > stands cancelled. > > > > > > > > > > > ==>> > > > > > > > > > > > He is a good singer and plays musical instruments,> > > > > especially> > > > > > > > > piano> > > > > > > > > > > > and organ well. Possesses a very good voice. A good> > > > orator> > > > > > > > too.> > > > > > > > > > > <==> > > > > > > > > > > And I wonder, does it goes in favor of Sorabh ji? > > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > --- In> > > , "renunw"> > > > > > > > renunw@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sorabh ji and Sreeram ji> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > I quote the following lines by Sreeram ji and> > > would give> > > > > an> > > > > > > > > example> > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > "Jupiter in Lagna has NO relation to music, unless> > > it is> > > > > > > > connected> > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > Venus in some respect.'> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > 14th Dec, 1984 at 8.26 AM in Colombo, Sri Lanka.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter in lagna in the Nakshastra of VENUS. In> > > Navamsa> > > > > > > > Jupiter is> > > > > > > > > > > > aspected by VENUS. So the connection expressed by> > > > Sreeram> > > > > ji> > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > valid to this horoscope.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > He is a good singer and plays musical instruments,> > > > > especially> > > > > > > > > piano> > > > > > > > > > > > and organ well. Possesses a very good voice. A good> > > > orator> > > > > > > > too.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > blessings> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Renu> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ,> > > > "sreeram> > > > > > > > > srinivas"> > > > > > > > > > > > sreeram64@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr - Mr Sorabh Sharma ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter in Lagna has NO relation to music,> > > unless it> > > > is> > > > > > > > conected> > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus in some respect. Kindly provide the birth> > > data {> > > > > > > > Lagna,> > > > > > > > > > > > Planets> > > > > > > > > > > > > in Lagna, planets aspecting the Lagna, Jupiter> > > > placement> > > > > in> > > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > > > house, its> > > > > > > > > > > > > amsa position}> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > With regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreeram_Srinivas> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ,> > > > > > > > > "mrsorabhsharma"> > > > > > > > > > > > > <mrsorabhsharma@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shreenadh> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > If i may make a contribution regarding this> > > matter - I> > > > > have> > > > > > > > > found> > > > > > > > > > > > > that jupiter in the lagna and strong mercury> > > placement> > > > -> > > > > or> > > > > > > > > > jupiter> > > > > > > > > > > > > aspecting lagna lord or lagna gives strong> > > musical> > > > > > > > interests.> > > > > > > > > This> > > > > > > > > > > > > can be found in many musician charts also -> > > including> > > > > lata> > > > > > > > > > > > > mangeshkar and micheal jackson.But what is the> > > > > signficance> > > > > > > > of a> > > > > > > > > > > > > planet like jupiter with music? I would love your> > > > > thoughts> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Many thanks Kind regards> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorabh SHarma> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2008 Report Share Posted January 25, 2008 Dear Durga ji, I would like to agree with you - but the statement is "Kubhe karkatavat phalani" - indicating that the results would be identical, as per Mihira; even though many other classics are agreeing with the statement of Mihira.Love and regards,Sreenahd , "durga050" <durga050 wrote:> Neelamji,> Namastae,> Aquarius is a sign in which Jupiter enjoys Bala or strength .Exaltation> sign of any planet means the planet enjoy maximum strength in that> sign.> Jupiter at aquarius is at par with Jupiter in cancer doesn't mean ,> Jupiter will give identical result in both the signs .It imply Jupiter> gets strengthened in aquarius and is comparable to its Bala or stength> in cancer.> Durga> , "neelam gupta"> neelamgupta07@ wrote:> >> > Dear Renu ji and Sreenadh ji,> >> > Although Brihat jatak has said that Jupiter in Kumbh is as strong as> Jup in> > cancer.> >> > many other texts do not have good things to say about Jupiter's> position in> > Aquarius.> >> > e.g saravali says:> > If Jupiter falls in Aquarius at the time of birth, one will be a> > tale-bearer, be ill disposed, interested in evil jobs, be chief among> his> > racemen, be always attached to base men, be malicious, miserly, will> suffer> > from diseases, will lose wealth on account his own utterances, be> devoid of> > intelligence and virtues.> >> > Similarly, Jatak Bharnam says:> > Such a native is patient of a disease, foolish, devoid of wealth,> > excessively miserly, engaged in doing sins, troubled by diseases of> teeth> > and stomach.> >> > According to Yavanjataka:> > Jupiter in Aquarius produces a cruel and wicked liar of odious> character;> > one who is clever in bad crafts and in things pertaining to water; a> leader> > of tribes who performs very vile acts; a greedy man, intent on faults> in his> > own speech, who accomplishes his aim; one whose body is afflicted by> > pestilences having the nature of diseases; an unrighteous man> > (viyuktadharma), suffering from diseases of the genitals; one who> lacks> > good qualities of the soul such as intelligence.> >> > However, Jatak Parijata in Ch. II says:> > Guru is exceedingly strong in Dhanu, Meen, Kark, Vrischik and during> the> > time preceding mid day, in his northerly course, in his own Dreshkan,> in his> > own Amsh and, when he succeeds in battle between Grahas. He has medium> > strength in the initial part of a Rasi, is quite strong in the middle> and> > weak at the end. He is considered to be strong in retrograde motion in> all> > Rasis except in the Rasi Makar, where he is in fall.> > He gives plenty of money, if in Lagn, or in Karm Bhava. (Jatak> Parijata, Ch.> > II).> >> > Where does the truth lie???> >> > Regards> > Neelam> >> >> >> >> >> > On 24/01/2008, Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Renu ji,> > > ==>> > > > "Kumbhe Karkatavat" (if in Aquarius Jupiter gives results similar> to> > > > in cancer; i.e. Jupiter in Aquarius is as strong as in Cancer) of> > > > Brihat Jataka of Mihira. "> > > *> Can you please explain the reason for this?*> > > <==> > > Danger!!! Bhas gaya!! [image: ] The easy way out is - I don't know> [image:> > > :">] [image: ] [image: ;]> > >> > > Ok - May be -> > > * because Aquarius is 11th in NH and 11th is good for all planets?> > > * because 9th lord in 11th as per NH is good? Also is it because> 11th is> > > 3rd (Upachaya house) from 9th?> > > * Is it because Jupiter owns 2nd and 11th houses from Aquarius, and> > > because of that will produce beneficial results?> > > * Is it because Jupiter's and Saturn's exaltation houses are in 4-10> > > axis and when connected they can become Paraspara karaka (mutual> > > significator) and thus Jupiter in Aquarius is similar to Jupiter in> Cancer?> > > Then why not the same told for Jupiter in Libra (the exaltation> house of> > > Saturn)?> > > * Or is it because, for Jupiter in Cancer - 9th lord from Cancer> (Ju) is> > > exalted in Cancer; and on the contrary for Jupiter in Aquarius (but> giving> > > similar results) - the lagna lord (Sa) is exalted in 9th from> Aquarius (in> > > Libra)?> > > * For Jupiter in cancer, the lagna lord is exalted in 11th and> Jupiter> > > owns 9th; Similarly for Jupiter in Aquarius, Jupiter owns 11th and> the> > > lagna lord is exalted in 9th.> > > There could be a variety of reasons or logics behind - but to be> brief -> > > your question, baffled me to no end, and threw me in no man's (no,> not even> > > women's) land!! [image: ] But that was a wonderful question!!> [image:> > > =D>] Now let other logicians find there wits end.. [image: ] and I> too> > > will stand-watch and enjoy! [image: ]> > > Love and regards,> > > Sreenadh> > >> > >> > > , "renunw" renunw@> > > wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > > >> > > > "Kumbhe Karkatavat" (if in Aquarius Jupiter gives results similar> to> > > > in cancer; i.e. Jupiter in Aquarius is as strong as in Cancer) of> > > > Brihat Jataka of Mihira. "> > > >> > > > Can you please explain the reason for this?> > > >> > > > Jupiter gets debilitated in one sign owned by Saturn but in the> > > > other sign owned by Sa it is as strong as if its exalted. There> > > > should be a good and interesting logic behind this.... of which I> am> > > > ignorant. I tried to analyze...nakshastra, Kalapurusha etc.etc.> but> > > > failed.> > > >> > > > Hence awaiting your response....thanks.> > > >> > > > blessings> > > >> > > > Renu> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > , "Sreenadh"> > > > sreesog@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Neelam ji,> > > > >> > > > > Yes - the reference provided by Durga ji is "Kumbhe Karkatavat"> > > > (if in> > > > > Aquarius Jupiter gives results similar to in cancer; i.e.> Jupiter> > > > in> > > > > Aquarius is as strong as in Cancer) of Brihat Jataka of Mihira.> > > > >> > > > > It is a very joyous experience to have a scholar well versed in> > > > > scriptures like Durga ji to be in the group.> > > > >> > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > Sreenadh> > > > >> > > > > , "durga050"> > > > > <durga050@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Neelamji,> > > > > >> > > > > > Namastae,> > > > > >> > > > > > Though vakra , Jupiter is in vargottama and is in aquarius> (when> > > > it> > > > > > comes to Bala or strength , aquarius jupiter is at par with> > > > jupiter in> > > > > > cancer , its exaltation sign )> > > > > >> > > > > > Durga> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > , "neelam> gupta"> > > > > > neelamgupta07@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Members,> > > > > > > This is another case of a retrograde jupiter in lagna:> > > > > > > Female: 17.8.1962/19.00/Delhi> > > > > > > In this case Jup retrogrades in aquarius lagna with moon in> > > > lagna,> > > > > 7H> > > > > > has> > > > > > > sun and mer, 5 with mars, 6H rahu, 8H ven, and 12H ketu & > sat> > > > ®> > > > > > > Here in contrast to Vijay's case, the lady is traditional,> very> > > > > > religious,> > > > > > > shiv bhakt, does regular paths at home, of helping nature.> She> > > > is> > > > > > goodness> > > > > > > personified,> > > > > > > Regarding looks, she is good looking, light eyes (honey> > > > coloured),> > > > > > broad> > > > > > > shoulders, tall and stout> > > > > > > Good education, works, but priority is family and children> (not> > > > > > overtly> > > > > > > ambitious regarding work)> > > > > > > The difference here appears to be the placement of moon with> > > > > Jupiter.> > > > > > > Jupiter-moon conjunction makes a person highly religious.> They> > > > are> > > > > the> > > > > > ones> > > > > > > who bend their heads when passing by a temple. They cannot> say> > > > no to> > > > > > anyone> > > > > > > seeking their help.> > > > > > > However, not forgetting the lordships, a retro jupiter> > > > (2L/11L),> > > > > with> > > > > > 6L in> > > > > > > lagna has surely given her constant health problems.> > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > Neelam> > > > > > >> > > > > > > On 24/01/2008, Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Sheevani ji,> > > > > > > > Nice description.. [image: ] Well said. [image: ]> > > > > > > > Yes, if the Jupiter Centrics are going to the details they> > > > should> > > > > > > > consider all the signs with Jupiter in lagna and assess> how> > > > the> > > > > > effect> > > > > > > > varies - just a suggestion. [image: ]> > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > --- In> > > > , "sheevani147"> > > > > > > > sheevani147@ wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > re.. Jupiter in lagna..> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I know 2 persons (both females) with Jupiter in lagna..> > > > both> > > > > seem> > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > be slim, have small chests and wide hips but other> physical> > > > > > features> > > > > > > > > differ..> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 1st.. short, darker skintone, thick hair(coarse),, very> > > > > determined> > > > > > > > > obsessive nature, secretive,, not too concern with> morals> > > > in> > > > > > private> > > > > > > > > life,( unmarrried mother of 2 kids), yet puts up a front> > > > of of> > > > > > 'goody> > > > > > > > > two shoes' Lagna is scopio, with jupiter and mercury..> > > > Mars and> > > > > > sun> > > > > > > > > in 12H and shani in 2H.. therefore lagna hemmed between> > > > > malefics..> > > > > > > > > Moon/ketu in 5H.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 2nd.. is tall, light skinned, broad shouldered, has air> of> > > > > > arrogance.> > > > > > > > > very atheletic, keen on sports, plays sports too..> varied> > > > > > interests,> > > > > > > > > likes and dislikes very obvious.. very intelligent,> > > > dresses for> > > > > > > > > comfort rather than dress to impress.. Lagna is> Aquarius,> > > > with> > > > > > only> > > > > > > > > jupiter,, Jupiter aspects venus in gemini in 5H.. and> ketu> > > > in> > > > > 9H..> > > > > > > > > Shani aspects jupiter from 10H> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > And yes yes Jupiter aspecting venus in Gemini==. she is> > > > very> > > > > > musical,> > > > > > > > > plays several instuments and has a good voice, good at> > > > mimicry> > > > > too> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Amother point of interest,, both these person studied> LAW> > > > at> > > > > > > > > university..> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > Sheevani> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ,> "Sreenadh"> > > > > > > > > sreesog@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Renu ji,> > > > > > > > > > Well said! :=)> > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ,> "renunw"> > > > > > <renunw@>> > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > Re: Jupiter in Lagna + Music> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > "Jupiter in lagna in the Nakshastra of VENUS.> > > > > > > > > > <==> > > > > > > > > > I object!! Nakshatra we are not considering currently!> > > > > > > > > > ==>> > > > > > > > > > > In Navamsa Jupiter is aspected by VENUS. So the> > > > connection> > > > > > > > > expressed> > > > > > > > > > by Sreeram ji is> > > > > > > > > > > valid to this horoscope.> > > > > > > > > > <==> > > > > > > > > > I object!! In Navamsa aspect is NOT considered, and so> > > > the> > > > > > > > > argument> > > > > > > > > > stands cancelled. ;)"> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I thought it is usually the duty of the lawyer/lawyers> > > > [Arjun> > > > > ji> > > > > > & > > > > > > > > > > Sreenivas ji] to object to any argument brought out by> > > > the> > > > > other> > > > > > > > > party.> > > > > > > > > > I consider you as the judge in all these cases...and> you> > > > could> > > > > > have> > > > > > > > > > overruled or sustained the objection, if and when> brought> > > > > about> > > > > > by> > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > learned members in this case [thread].> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Anyway the statement by Sreenivas ji was:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > "Jupiter in Lagna has NO relation to music, unless it> is> > > > > > conected to> > > > > > > > > > Venus in some respect. Kindly provide the birth data {> > > > Lagna,> > > > > > > > > Planets> > > > > > > > > > in Lagna, planets aspecting the Lagna, Jupiter> placement> > > > in a> > > > > > > > > house, its> > > > > > > > > > amsa position}"> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Hon. Sir, it was the learned counsel who has invited> to> > > > > provide> > > > > > > > > birth> > > > > > > > > > data where Jupiter has some connection to Venus even> in> > > > its> > > > > Amsa> > > > > > > > > > Position.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > So I appeal to consider your objection once again.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Thank you sir > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > blessings> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Renu> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > @> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > --- In> > > > , "Sreenadh"> > > > > > > > > > > sreesog@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Renu ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > ==>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter in lagna in the Nakshastra of VENUS.> > > > > > > > > > > > <==> > > > > > > > > > > > I object!! Nakshatra we are not considering> > > > currently!> > > > > > > > > > > > ==>> > > > > > > > > > > > > In Navamsa Jupiter is aspected by VENUS. So the> > > > > connection> > > > > > > > > > expressed> > > > > > > > > > > > by Sreeram ji is> > > > > > > > > > > > > valid to this horoscope.> > > > > > > > > > > > <==> > > > > > > > > > > > I object!! In Navamsa aspect is NOT considered,> and> > > > so the> > > > > > > > > argument> > > > > > > > > > > > stands cancelled. > > > > > > > > > > > > ==>> > > > > > > > > > > > > He is a good singer and plays musical> instruments,> > > > > > especially> > > > > > > > > > piano> > > > > > > > > > > > > and organ well. Possesses a very good voice. A> good> > > > > orator> > > > > > > > > too.> > > > > > > > > > > > <==> > > > > > > > > > > > And I wonder, does it goes in favor of Sorabh ji?> > > > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In> > > > , "renunw"> > > > > > > > > renunw@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sorabh ji and Sreeram ji> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > I quote the following lines by Sreeram ji and> > > > would give> > > > > > an> > > > > > > > > > example> > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > "Jupiter in Lagna has NO relation to music,> unless> > > > it is> > > > > > > > > connected> > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus in some respect.'> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > 14th Dec, 1984 at 8.26 AM in Colombo, Sri Lanka.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter in lagna in the Nakshastra of VENUS. In> > > > Navamsa> > > > > > > > > Jupiter is> > > > > > > > > > > > > aspected by VENUS. So the connection expressed> by> > > > > Sreeram> > > > > > ji> > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > valid to this horoscope.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > He is a good singer and plays musical> instruments,> > > > > > especially> > > > > > > > > > piano> > > > > > > > > > > > > and organ well. Possesses a very good voice. A> good> > > > > orator> > > > > > > > > too.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > blessings> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Renu> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ,> > > > > "sreeram> > > > > > > > > > srinivas"> > > > > > > > > > > > > sreeram64@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr - Mr Sorabh Sharma ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter in Lagna has NO relation to music,> > > > unless it> > > > > is> > > > > > > > > conected> > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus in some respect. Kindly provide the> birth> > > > data {> > > > > > > > > Lagna,> > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in Lagna, planets aspecting the Lagna, Jupiter> > > > > placement> > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > > > > house, its> > > > > > > > > > > > > > amsa position}> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > With regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreeram_Srinivas> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In> ,> > > > > > > > > > "mrsorabhsharma"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mrsorabhsharma@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shreenadh> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > If i may make a contribution regarding this> > > > matter - I> > > > > > have> > > > > > > > > > found> > > > > > > > > > > > > > that jupiter in the lagna and strong mercury> > > > placement> > > > > -> > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > > > jupiter> > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspecting lagna lord or lagna gives strong> > > > musical> > > > > > > > > interests.> > > > > > > > > > This> > > > > > > > > > > > > > can be found in many musician charts also -> > > > including> > > > > > lata> > > > > > > > > > > > > > mangeshkar and micheal jackson.But what is the> > > > > > signficance> > > > > > > > > of a> > > > > > > > > > > > > > planet like jupiter with music? I would love> your> > > > > > thoughts> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many thanks Kind regards> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorabh SHarma> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2008 Report Share Posted January 25, 2008 Dear Sheevani Ji, If i may add my 2 cents.. //shani is exalted in vishakha nakshatra( owned by jupiter)??? some sort of parivartana???// What i learned is Shani is exalted in Swati Nakshatra... Here goes the story... One day, God invited the Nava Grahas to His kingdom. " Tell me, " he said, " which among the 27 nakshatras is the greatest? " All the Nava Grahas preferred their stars of exaltation, because it was here that they felt most comfortable. Therefore, Surya voted for Ashwini, Chandra for Kritika, Budha for Hasta, Sukra for Revati, Kuja for Dhanista, Guru for Pushya, and Sani for Swati. Since there was no consensus, God wanted Rahu and Ketu to vote for one of the stars already mentioned above. This irked Surya and Chandra, who complained and said that demons were not fit to vote on such divine matters. But God waved aside their protests and said that, in His kingdom, all were equal, and so both Rahu and Ketu had as much a right to vote as any of the other Nava Grahas. Both of them agreed with Sani and said that Swati was the greatest of the nakshatras. Once again, Surya and Chandra protested, but God ignored them and said, " Swati it is, then! But first, I think that we should know why exactly it is Swati. " Sani, who had first said that Swati was the greatest, stood up, bowed low before the Lord, and said, " My Lord, I did not vote for Swati merely because it is the star of my exaltation. Neither did I vote for it because it is owned by my good friend Rahu, who owns Kumbha along with me. " God knew this, and He also knew what was coming next. But He pretended to be surprised. " Why then, pray tell me, did you vote for Swati, Sani? " " Because, my Lord, this star signifies a desire to attain Your kingdom more than any other star. " " Liar! " screamed Surya, rebuking his son. " How can a star owned by hedonistic Rahu signify Godliness? " He then turned to God and said, " My Lord, I request that you turn my son Sani out of Your kingdom. " " Silence! " thundered God, " You may be Sani's father, Surya, but remember, that I am everybody's father, including you. Keep quite now, or I shall tell Rahu to eat you! " Surya sat down, trembling with fear. " Continue, Sani, " said God in a calmer tone. " In what way does Swati signify desire to attain My kingdom? Who taught you this? " " My Lord, I learnt this from a bird called the common hawk cuckoo, which is also called chatak or papiha. " " Pray, my son, please enlighten us. What is so special about this bird? " asked Surya, keen on getting into God's good books once again by showing affection to his son. " Father, the special thing about the chatak is that it will drink only rain water that falls when the star Swati is rising. " " Hah! " said Surya, reverting to his customary arrogance. " Is that all? Is this the only thing great about the chatak? " " Father! You are so proud of your kingdom that you fail to realize the greatness of small things. The chatak will refuse water from even holy rivers like the Ganga and the Yamuna. Even if it is offered water from a sacred temple tank, it will not drink it. In fact, I will not be surprised if it holds even the nectar of immortality in contempt, preferring instead the rain water that falls on a Swati. " " Son, " said Surya, " Being at the outer edge of the solar system, so far away from me, has no doubt confused your brains. Why else would you confuse silliness with greatness? " " This is not silliness, but greatness, father, " said Sani. " And being away from your blinding light, I have savoured the darkness and contemplated long upon things dear to me, like Vairagya and Viveka. To me, the chatak is an exemplary example of both. " " In what way? " demanded Surya. " Thanks to the Viveka possessed by the chatak, it is able to discriminate and realize that the water that falls on a Swati is the greatest. Because it practices Vairagya, it is able to give up its desire for all other sources of water. " Before Surya could interrupt him, Sani continued, " This is what man has to do. He should shun everything--especially the power that you can offer, father--and choose only God. Only then will he attain Moksha. " Surya was quite keen on rebuking his son again, but a quick glance at God's smiling countenance convinced him that if he spoke now, then God would surely set Rahu upon him. Sani continued, " The chatak also shows us that the path to God is not easy. God, though pleased with the chatak for shunning all other water bodies, still tests the chatak to see if its resolve to taste only the rain water of Swati is strong. The chatak, by being firm, shows devotees that they must be willing to put up with hardships in order to realize Him. " When Sani finished, God was immensely pleased with him. " Sani, your explanation is wonderful. From now on, you shall be called Swati Ucchan not just because you are exalted in Swati, but because you have grasped the inner meaning so beautifully. " As Sani bowed low before God, the other Nava Grahas applauded him. Budha, ever keen on depicting his poetic wit, and on having the last word, said, " Excellent, friend Sani! From now on, may Swati be to Sani what Swaha is to Agni! " * * * ~~~~~~~~~ Courtesy: Sri Balaji Narasimhan Regards Chann , " sheevani147 " <sheevani147 wrote: > > namaste Shreenadh ji.. > > ''''Kumbhe Karkatavat " (if in Aquarius Jupiter gives results similar > to > > > in cancer; i.e. Jupiter in Aquarius is as strong as in Cancer) of > > > Brihat Jataka of Mihira. " > > > Could the answer lie in the fact that Jupiter is exalted in Pushya > nakshatra(owned by shani) and shani is exalted in vishakha nakshatra( > owned by jupiter)??? > some sort of parivartana??? > > regards > Sheevani > > > , " Sreenadh " > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Renu ji, > > ==> > > > " Kumbhe Karkatavat " (if in Aquarius Jupiter gives results similar > to > > > in cancer; i.e. Jupiter in Aquarius is as strong as in Cancer) of > > > Brihat Jataka of Mihira. " > > > Can you please explain the reason for this? > > <== > > Danger!!! Bhas gaya!! [] The easy way out is - I don't know > [: " >] > > [] [;] > > > > Ok - May be - > > * because Aquarius is 11th in NH and 11th is good for all > planets? > > * because 9th lord in 11th as per NH is good? Also is it because > 11th > > is 3rd (Upachaya house) from 9th? > > * Is it because Jupiter owns 2nd and 11th houses from Aquarius, > and > > because of that will produce beneficial results? > > * Is it because Jupiter's and Saturn's exaltation houses are in > 4-10 > > axis and when connected they can become Paraspara karaka (mutual > > significator) and thus Jupiter in Aquarius is similar to Jupiter in > > Cancer? Then why not the same told for Jupiter in Libra (the > exaltation > > house of Saturn)? > > * Or is it because, for Jupiter in Cancer - 9th lord from Cancer > (Ju) > > is exalted in Cancer; and on the contrary for Jupiter in Aquarius > (but > > giving similar results) - the lagna lord (Sa) is exalted in 9th from > > Aquarius (in Libra)? > > * For Jupiter in cancer, the lagna lord is exalted in 11th and > > Jupiter owns 9th; Similarly for Jupiter in Aquarius, Jupiter owns > 11th > > and the lagna lord is exalted in 9th. > > There could be a variety of reasons or logics behind - but to be > brief > > - your question, baffled me to no end, and threw me in no man's > (no, not > > even women's) land!! [] But that was a wonderful question!! > [=D>] > > Now let other logicians find there wits end.. [] and I too will > > stand-watch and enjoy! [] > > Love and regards, > > Sreenadh > > > > > > , " renunw " <renunw@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji, > > > > > > " Kumbhe Karkatavat " (if in Aquarius Jupiter gives results similar > to > > > in cancer; i.e. Jupiter in Aquarius is as strong as in Cancer) of > > > Brihat Jataka of Mihira. " > > > > > > Can you please explain the reason for this? > > > > > > Jupiter gets debilitated in one sign owned by Saturn but in the > > > other sign owned by Sa it is as strong as if its exalted. There > > > should be a good and interesting logic behind this.... of which I > am > > > ignorant. I tried to analyze...nakshastra, Kalapurusha etc.etc. > but > > > failed. > > > > > > Hence awaiting your response....thanks. > > > > > > blessings > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Sreenadh " > > > sreesog@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Neelam ji, > > > > > > > > Yes - the reference provided by Durga ji is " Kumbhe Karkatavat " > > > (if in > > > > Aquarius Jupiter gives results similar to in cancer; i.e. > Jupiter > > > in > > > > Aquarius is as strong as in Cancer) of Brihat Jataka of Mihira. > > > > > > > > It is a very joyous experience to have a scholar well versed in > > > > scriptures like Durga ji to be in the group. > > > > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > , " durga050 " > > > > <durga050@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelamji, > > > > > > > > > > Namastae, > > > > > > > > > > Though vakra , Jupiter is in vargottama and is in aquarius > (when > > > it > > > > > comes to Bala or strength , aquarius jupiter is at par with > > > jupiter in > > > > > cancer , its exaltation sign ) > > > > > > > > > > Durga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " neelam > gupta " > > > > > neelamgupta07@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > This is another case of a retrograde jupiter in lagna: > > > > > > Female: 17.8.1962/19.00/Delhi > > > > > > In this case Jup retrogrades in aquarius lagna with moon in > > > lagna, > > > > 7H > > > > > has > > > > > > sun and mer, 5 with mars, 6H rahu, 8H ven, and 12H ketu & > sat > > > ® > > > > > > Here in contrast to Vijay's case, the lady is traditional, > very > > > > > religious, > > > > > > shiv bhakt, does regular paths at home, of helping nature. > She > > > is > > > > > goodness > > > > > > personified, > > > > > > Regarding looks, she is good looking, light eyes (honey > > > coloured), > > > > > broad > > > > > > shoulders, tall and stout > > > > > > Good education, works, but priority is family and children > (not > > > > > overtly > > > > > > ambitious regarding work) > > > > > > The difference here appears to be the placement of moon with > > > > Jupiter. > > > > > > Jupiter-moon conjunction makes a person highly religious. > They > > > are > > > > the > > > > > ones > > > > > > who bend their heads when passing by a temple. They cannot > say > > > no to > > > > > anyone > > > > > > seeking their help. > > > > > > However, not forgetting the lordships, a retro jupiter > > > (2L/11L), > > > > with > > > > > 6L in > > > > > > lagna has surely given her constant health problems. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > On 24/01/2008, Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sheevani ji, > > > > > > > Nice description.. [image: ] Well said. [image: ] > > > > > > > Yes, if the Jupiter Centrics are going to the details they > > > should > > > > > > > consider all the signs with Jupiter in lagna and assess > how > > > the > > > > > effect > > > > > > > varies - just a suggestion. [image: ] > > > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > , " sheevani147 " > > > > > > > sheevani147@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > re.. Jupiter in lagna.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know 2 persons (both females) with Jupiter in lagna.. > > > both > > > > seem > > > > > to > > > > > > > > be slim, have small chests and wide hips but other > physical > > > > > features > > > > > > > > differ.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1st.. short, darker skintone, thick hair(coarse),, very > > > > determined > > > > > > > > obsessive nature, secretive,, not too concern with > morals > > > in > > > > > private > > > > > > > > life,( unmarrried mother of 2 kids), yet puts up a front > > > of of > > > > > 'goody > > > > > > > > two shoes' Lagna is scopio, with jupiter and mercury.. > > > Mars and > > > > > sun > > > > > > > > in 12H and shani in 2H.. therefore lagna hemmed between > > > > malefics.. > > > > > > > > Moon/ketu in 5H. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd.. is tall, light skinned, broad shouldered, has air > of > > > > > arrogance. > > > > > > > > very atheletic, keen on sports, plays sports too.. > varied > > > > > interests, > > > > > > > > likes and dislikes very obvious.. very intelligent, > > > dresses for > > > > > > > > comfort rather than dress to impress.. Lagna is > Aquarius, > > > with > > > > > only > > > > > > > > jupiter,, Jupiter aspects venus in gemini in 5H.. and > ketu > > > in > > > > 9H.. > > > > > > > > Shani aspects jupiter from 10H > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And yes yes Jupiter aspecting venus in Gemini==. she is > > > very > > > > > musical, > > > > > > > > plays several instuments and has a good voice, good at > > > mimicry > > > > too > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amother point of interest,, both these person studied > LAW > > > at > > > > > > > > university.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Sheevani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > , " Sreenadh " > > > > > > > > sreesog@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Renu ji, > > > > > > > > > Well said! :=) > > > > > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > , " renunw " > > > > > <renunw@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Re: Jupiter in Lagna + Music > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Jupiter in lagna in the Nakshastra of VENUS. > > > > > > > > > <== > > > > > > > > > I object!! Nakshatra we are not considering currently! > > > > > > > > > ==> > > > > > > > > > > In Navamsa Jupiter is aspected by VENUS. So the > > > connection > > > > > > > > expressed > > > > > > > > > by Sreeram ji is > > > > > > > > > > valid to this horoscope. > > > > > > > > > <== > > > > > > > > > I object!! In Navamsa aspect is NOT considered, and so > > > the > > > > > > > > argument > > > > > > > > > stands cancelled. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I thought it is usually the duty of the lawyer/lawyers > > > [Arjun > > > > ji > > > > > & > > > > > > > > > Sreenivas ji] to object to any argument brought out by > > > the > > > > other > > > > > > > > party. > > > > > > > > > I consider you as the judge in all these cases...and > you > > > could > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > overruled or sustained the objection, if and when > brought > > > > about > > > > > by > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > learned members in this case [thread]. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway the statement by Sreenivas ji was: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Jupiter in Lagna has NO relation to music, unless it > is > > > > > conected to > > > > > > > > > Venus in some respect. Kindly provide the birth data { > > > Lagna, > > > > > > > > Planets > > > > > > > > > in Lagna, planets aspecting the Lagna, Jupiter > placement > > > in a > > > > > > > > house, its > > > > > > > > > amsa position} " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hon. Sir, it was the learned counsel who has invited > to > > > > provide > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > data where Jupiter has some connection to Venus even > in > > > its > > > > Amsa > > > > > > > > > Position. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So I appeal to consider your objection once again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you sir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blessings > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > , " Sreenadh " > > > > > > > > > > sreesog@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Renu ji, > > > > > > > > > > > ==> > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter in lagna in the Nakshastra of VENUS. > > > > > > > > > > > <== > > > > > > > > > > > I object!! Nakshatra we are not considering > > > currently! > > > > > > > > > > > ==> > > > > > > > > > > > > In Navamsa Jupiter is aspected by VENUS. So the > > > > connection > > > > > > > > > expressed > > > > > > > > > > > by Sreeram ji is > > > > > > > > > > > > valid to this horoscope. > > > > > > > > > > > <== > > > > > > > > > > > I object!! In Navamsa aspect is NOT considered, > and > > > so the > > > > > > > > argument > > > > > > > > > > > stands cancelled. > > > > > > > > > > > ==> > > > > > > > > > > > > He is a good singer and plays musical > instruments, > > > > > especially > > > > > > > > > piano > > > > > > > > > > > > and organ well. Possesses a very good voice. A > good > > > > orator > > > > > > > > too. > > > > > > > > > > > <== > > > > > > > > > > > And I wonder, does it goes in favor of Sorabh > ji? > > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > , " renunw " > > > > > > > > renunw@ > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sorabh ji and Sreeram ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I quote the following lines by Sreeram ji and > > > would give > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > example > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Jupiter in Lagna has NO relation to music, > unless > > > it is > > > > > > > > connected > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus in some respect.' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 14th Dec, 1984 at 8.26 AM in Colombo, Sri Lanka. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter in lagna in the Nakshastra of VENUS. In > > > Navamsa > > > > > > > > Jupiter is > > > > > > > > > > > > aspected by VENUS. So the connection expressed > by > > > > Sreeram > > > > > ji > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > valid to this horoscope. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He is a good singer and plays musical > instruments, > > > > > especially > > > > > > > > > piano > > > > > > > > > > > > and organ well. Possesses a very good voice. A > good > > > > orator > > > > > > > > too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blessings > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , > > > > " sreeram > > > > > > > > > srinivas " > > > > > > > > > > > > sreeram64@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr - Mr Sorabh Sharma ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter in Lagna has NO relation to music, > > > unless it > > > > is > > > > > > > > conected > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus in some respect. Kindly provide the > birth > > > data { > > > > > > > > Lagna, > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets > > > > > > > > > > > > > in Lagna, planets aspecting the Lagna, Jupiter > > > > placement > > > > > in > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > house, its > > > > > > > > > > > > > amsa position} > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreeram_Srinivas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > , > > > > > > > > > " mrsorabhsharma " > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mrsorabhsharma@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If i may make a contribution regarding this > > > matter - I > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > found > > > > > > > > > > > > > that jupiter in the lagna and strong mercury > > > placement > > > > - > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspecting lagna lord or lagna gives strong > > > musical > > > > > > > > interests. > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > > can be found in many musician charts also - > > > including > > > > > lata > > > > > > > > > > > > > mangeshkar and micheal jackson.But what is the > > > > > signficance > > > > > > > > of a > > > > > > > > > > > > > planet like jupiter with music? 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Guest guest Posted January 25, 2008 Report Share Posted January 25, 2008 Namaste Chanduji.. Thank you for drawing my attention to my error.. I stand corrected and I have throughly enjoyed the accompanied legend.. Regards Sheevani , " Chandu2chill " <nanna_id2006 wrote: > > > Dear Sheevani Ji, > > If i may add my 2 cents.. > > //shani is exalted in vishakha nakshatra( owned by jupiter)??? some > sort of parivartana???// > > What i learned is Shani is exalted in Swati Nakshatra... > > Here goes the story... > > One day, God invited the Nava Grahas to His kingdom. > > " Tell me, " he said, " which among the 27 nakshatras is > the greatest? " > > All the Nava Grahas preferred their stars of exaltation, because it > was here that they felt most comfortable. Therefore, Surya voted for > Ashwini, Chandra for Kritika, Budha for Hasta, Sukra for Revati, > Kuja for Dhanista, Guru for Pushya, and Sani for Swati. > > Since there was no consensus, God wanted Rahu and Ketu to vote for > one of the stars already mentioned above. > > This irked Surya and Chandra, who complained and said that demons > were not fit to vote on such divine matters. But God waved aside > their protests and said that, in His kingdom, all were equal, and so > both Rahu and Ketu had as much a right to vote as any of the other > Nava Grahas. > > Both of them agreed with Sani and said that Swati was the greatest > of the nakshatras. > > Once again, Surya and Chandra protested, but God ignored them and > said, " Swati it is, then! But first, I think that we should know why > exactly it is Swati. " Sani, who had first said that Swati was the > greatest, stood up, bowed low before the Lord, and said, " My Lord, I > did not vote for Swati merely because it is the star of my > exaltation. Neither did I vote for it because it is owned by my good > friend Rahu, who owns Kumbha along with me. " > > God knew this, and He also knew what was coming next. But He > pretended to be surprised. " Why then, pray tell me, did you vote for > Swati, Sani? " " Because, my Lord, this star signifies a desire to > attain Your kingdom more than any other star. " > > " Liar! " screamed Surya, rebuking his son. " How can a star owned by > hedonistic Rahu signify Godliness? " He then turned to God and > said, " My Lord, I request that you turn my son Sani out of Your > kingdom. " > > " Silence! " thundered God, " You may be Sani's father, Surya, but > remember, that I am everybody's father, including you. Keep quite > now, or I shall tell Rahu to eat you! " > > Surya sat down, trembling with fear. > > " Continue, Sani, " said God in a calmer tone. " In what way does Swati > signify desire to attain My kingdom? Who taught you this? " > > " My Lord, I learnt this from a bird called the common hawk cuckoo, > which is also called chatak or papiha. " " Pray, my son, please > enlighten us. What is so special about this bird? " asked Surya, keen > on getting into God's good books once again by showing affection to > his son. > > " Father, the special thing about the chatak is that it will drink > only rain water that falls when the star Swati is rising. " > > " Hah! " said Surya, reverting to his customary arrogance. " Is that > all? Is this the only thing great about the chatak? " " Father! You > are so proud of your kingdom that you fail to realize the greatness > of small things. The chatak will refuse water from even holy rivers > like the Ganga and the Yamuna. Even if it is offered water > > from a sacred temple tank, it will not drink it. In fact, I will not > be surprised if it holds even the nectar of immortality in contempt, > preferring instead the rain water that falls on a Swati. " > > " Son, " said Surya, " Being at the outer edge of the solar system, so > far away from me, has no doubt confused your brains. Why else would > you confuse silliness with greatness? " > > " This is not silliness, but greatness, father, " said Sani. " And > being away from your blinding light, I have savoured the darkness > and contemplated long upon things dear to me, like Vairagya and > Viveka. To me, the chatak is an exemplary example of both. " > > " In what way? " demanded Surya. > > " Thanks to the Viveka possessed by the chatak, it is able to > discriminate and realize that the water that falls on a Swati is the > greatest. Because it practices Vairagya, it is able to give up its > desire for all other sources of water. " > > Before Surya could interrupt him, Sani continued, " This is what man > has to do. He should shun everything--especially the power that you > can offer, father--and choose only God. Only then will he attain > Moksha. " > > Surya was quite keen on rebuking his son again, but a quick glance > at God's smiling countenance convinced him that if he spoke now, > then God would surely set Rahu upon him. > > Sani continued, " The chatak also shows us that the path to God is > not easy. God, though pleased with the chatak for shunning all other > water bodies, still tests the chatak to see if its resolve to taste > only the rain water of Swati is strong. The chatak, by being firm, > shows devotees that they must be willing to put up with hardships in > order to realize Him. " > > When Sani finished, God was immensely pleased with him. " Sani, your > explanation is wonderful. From now on, you shall be called Swati > Ucchan not just because you are exalted in Swati, but because you > have grasped the inner meaning so beautifully. " > > As Sani bowed low before God, the other Nava Grahas applauded him. > > Budha, ever keen on depicting his poetic wit, and on having the last > word, said, " Excellent, friend Sani! From now on, may Swati be to > Sani what Swaha is to Agni! " > > * * * > ~~~~~~~~~ > Courtesy: Sri Balaji Narasimhan > > Regards > > Chann , " sheevani147 " > <sheevani147@> wrote: > > > > namaste Shreenadh ji.. > > > > ''''Kumbhe Karkatavat " (if in Aquarius Jupiter gives results > similar > > to > > > > in cancer; i.e. Jupiter in Aquarius is as strong as in Cancer) > of > > > > Brihat Jataka of Mihira. " > > > > > > Could the answer lie in the fact that Jupiter is exalted in Pushya > > nakshatra(owned by shani) and shani is exalted in vishakha > nakshatra( > > owned by jupiter)??? > > some sort of parivartana??? > > > > regards > > Sheevani > > > > > > , " Sreenadh " > > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Renu ji, > > > ==> > > > > " Kumbhe Karkatavat " (if in Aquarius Jupiter gives results > similar > > to > > > > in cancer; i.e. Jupiter in Aquarius is as strong as in Cancer) > of > > > > Brihat Jataka of Mihira. " > > > > Can you please explain the reason for this? > > > <== > > > Danger!!! Bhas gaya!! [] The easy way out is - I don't > know > > [: " >] > > > [] [;] > > > > > > Ok - May be - > > > * because Aquarius is 11th in NH and 11th is good for all > > planets? > > > * because 9th lord in 11th as per NH is good? Also is it > because > > 11th > > > is 3rd (Upachaya house) from 9th? > > > * Is it because Jupiter owns 2nd and 11th houses from > Aquarius, > > and > > > because of that will produce beneficial results? > > > * Is it because Jupiter's and Saturn's exaltation houses are > in > > 4-10 > > > axis and when connected they can become Paraspara karaka (mutual > > > significator) and thus Jupiter in Aquarius is similar to Jupiter > in > > > Cancer? Then why not the same told for Jupiter in Libra (the > > exaltation > > > house of Saturn)? > > > * Or is it because, for Jupiter in Cancer - 9th lord from > Cancer > > (Ju) > > > is exalted in Cancer; and on the contrary for Jupiter in > Aquarius > > (but > > > giving similar results) - the lagna lord (Sa) is exalted in 9th > from > > > Aquarius (in Libra)? > > > * For Jupiter in cancer, the lagna lord is exalted in 11th > and > > > Jupiter owns 9th; Similarly for Jupiter in Aquarius, Jupiter > owns > > 11th > > > and the lagna lord is exalted in 9th. > > > There could be a variety of reasons or logics behind - but to > be > > brief > > > - your question, baffled me to no end, and threw me in no man's > > (no, not > > > even women's) land!! [] But that was a wonderful question!! > > [=D>] > > > Now let other logicians find there wits end.. [] and I too > will > > > stand-watch and enjoy! [] > > > Love and regards, > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > , " renunw " > <renunw@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji, > > > > > > > > " Kumbhe Karkatavat " (if in Aquarius Jupiter gives results > similar > > to > > > > in cancer; i.e. Jupiter in Aquarius is as strong as in Cancer) > of > > > > Brihat Jataka of Mihira. " > > > > > > > > Can you please explain the reason for this? > > > > > > > > Jupiter gets debilitated in one sign owned by Saturn but in the > > > > other sign owned by Sa it is as strong as if its exalted. There > > > > should be a good and interesting logic behind this.... of > which I > > am > > > > ignorant. I tried to analyze...nakshastra, Kalapurusha > etc.etc. > > but > > > > failed. > > > > > > > > Hence awaiting your response....thanks. > > > > > > > > blessings > > > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Sreenadh " > > > > sreesog@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Neelam ji, > > > > > > > > > > Yes - the reference provided by Durga ji is " Kumbhe > Karkatavat " > > > > (if in > > > > > Aquarius Jupiter gives results similar to in cancer; i.e. > > Jupiter > > > > in > > > > > Aquarius is as strong as in Cancer) of Brihat Jataka of > Mihira. > > > > > > > > > > It is a very joyous experience to have a scholar well versed > in > > > > > scriptures like Durga ji to be in the group. > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > , " durga050 " > > > > > <durga050@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelamji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Namastae, > > > > > > > > > > > > Though vakra , Jupiter is in vargottama and is in aquarius > > (when > > > > it > > > > > > comes to Bala or strength , aquarius jupiter is at par with > > > > jupiter in > > > > > > cancer , its exaltation sign ) > > > > > > > > > > > > Durga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " neelam > > gupta " > > > > > > neelamgupta07@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > This is another case of a retrograde jupiter in lagna: > > > > > > > Female: 17.8.1962/19.00/Delhi > > > > > > > In this case Jup retrogrades in aquarius lagna with moon > in > > > > lagna, > > > > > 7H > > > > > > has > > > > > > > sun and mer, 5 with mars, 6H rahu, 8H ven, and 12H ketu > & > > sat > > > > ® > > > > > > > Here in contrast to Vijay's case, the lady is > traditional, > > very > > > > > > religious, > > > > > > > shiv bhakt, does regular paths at home, of helping > nature. > > She > > > > is > > > > > > goodness > > > > > > > personified, > > > > > > > Regarding looks, she is good looking, light eyes (honey > > > > coloured), > > > > > > broad > > > > > > > shoulders, tall and stout > > > > > > > Good education, works, but priority is family and > children > > (not > > > > > > overtly > > > > > > > ambitious regarding work) > > > > > > > The difference here appears to be the placement of moon > with > > > > > Jupiter. > > > > > > > Jupiter-moon conjunction makes a person highly > religious. > > They > > > > are > > > > > the > > > > > > ones > > > > > > > who bend their heads when passing by a temple. They > cannot > > say > > > > no to > > > > > > anyone > > > > > > > seeking their help. > > > > > > > However, not forgetting the lordships, a retro jupiter > > > > (2L/11L), > > > > > with > > > > > > 6L in > > > > > > > lagna has surely given her constant health problems. > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 24/01/2008, Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sheevani ji, > > > > > > > > Nice description.. [image: ] Well said. [image: ] > > > > > > > > Yes, if the Jupiter Centrics are going to the details > they > > > > should > > > > > > > > consider all the signs with Jupiter in lagna and > assess > > how > > > > the > > > > > > effect > > > > > > > > varies - just a suggestion. [image: ] > > > > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > , " sheevani147 " > > > > > > > > sheevani147@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > re.. Jupiter in lagna.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know 2 persons (both females) with Jupiter in > lagna.. > > > > both > > > > > seem > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > be slim, have small chests and wide hips but other > > physical > > > > > > features > > > > > > > > > differ.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1st.. short, darker skintone, thick hair(coarse),, > very > > > > > determined > > > > > > > > > obsessive nature, secretive,, not too concern with > > morals > > > > in > > > > > > private > > > > > > > > > life,( unmarrried mother of 2 kids), yet puts up a > front > > > > of of > > > > > > 'goody > > > > > > > > > two shoes' Lagna is scopio, with jupiter and > mercury.. > > > > Mars and > > > > > > sun > > > > > > > > > in 12H and shani in 2H.. therefore lagna hemmed > between > > > > > malefics.. > > > > > > > > > Moon/ketu in 5H. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd.. is tall, light skinned, broad shouldered, has > air > > of > > > > > > arrogance. > > > > > > > > > very atheletic, keen on sports, plays sports too.. > > varied > > > > > > interests, > > > > > > > > > likes and dislikes very obvious.. very intelligent, > > > > dresses for > > > > > > > > > comfort rather than dress to impress.. Lagna is > > Aquarius, > > > > with > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > > jupiter,, Jupiter aspects venus in gemini in 5H.. > and > > ketu > > > > in > > > > > 9H.. > > > > > > > > > Shani aspects jupiter from 10H > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And yes yes Jupiter aspecting venus in Gemini==. she > is > > > > very > > > > > > musical, > > > > > > > > > plays several instuments and has a good voice, good > at > > > > mimicry > > > > > too > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amother point of interest,, both these person > studied > > LAW > > > > at > > > > > > > > > university.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > Sheevani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > , " Sreenadh " > > > > > > > > > sreesog@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Renu ji, > > > > > > > > > > Well said! :=) > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > , " renunw " > > > > > > <renunw@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Re: Jupiter in Lagna + Music > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Jupiter in lagna in the Nakshastra of VENUS. > > > > > > > > > > <== > > > > > > > > > > I object!! Nakshatra we are not considering > currently! > > > > > > > > > > ==> > > > > > > > > > > > In Navamsa Jupiter is aspected by VENUS. So the > > > > connection > > > > > > > > > expressed > > > > > > > > > > by Sreeram ji is > > > > > > > > > > > valid to this horoscope. > > > > > > > > > > <== > > > > > > > > > > I object!! In Navamsa aspect is NOT considered, > and so > > > > the > > > > > > > > > argument > > > > > > > > > > stands cancelled. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I thought it is usually the duty of the > lawyer/lawyers > > > > [Arjun > > > > > ji > > > > > > & > > > > > > > > > > Sreenivas ji] to object to any argument brought > out by > > > > the > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > party. > > > > > > > > > > I consider you as the judge in all these > cases...and > > you > > > > could > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > overruled or sustained the objection, if and when > > brought > > > > > about > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > learned members in this case [thread]. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway the statement by Sreenivas ji was: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Jupiter in Lagna has NO relation to music, unless > it > > is > > > > > > conected to > > > > > > > > > > Venus in some respect. Kindly provide the birth > data { > > > > Lagna, > > > > > > > > > Planets > > > > > > > > > > in Lagna, planets aspecting the Lagna, Jupiter > > placement > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > house, its > > > > > > > > > > amsa position} " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hon. Sir, it was the learned counsel who has > invited > > to > > > > > provide > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > data where Jupiter has some connection to Venus > even > > in > > > > its > > > > > Amsa > > > > > > > > > > Position. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So I appeal to consider your objection once again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you sir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blessings > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > , " Sreenadh " > > > > > > > > > > > sreesog@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Renu ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > ==> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter in lagna in the Nakshastra of VENUS. > > > > > > > > > > > > <== > > > > > > > > > > > > I object!! Nakshatra we are not considering > > > > currently! > > > > > > > > > > > > ==> > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Navamsa Jupiter is aspected by VENUS. So > the > > > > > connection > > > > > > > > > > expressed > > > > > > > > > > > > by Sreeram ji is > > > > > > > > > > > > > valid to this horoscope. > > > > > > > > > > > > <== > > > > > > > > > > > > I object!! In Navamsa aspect is NOT > considered, > > and > > > > so the > > > > > > > > > argument > > > > > > > > > > > > stands cancelled. > > > > > > > > > > > > ==> > > > > > > > > > > > > > He is a good singer and plays musical > > instruments, > > > > > > especially > > > > > > > > > > piano > > > > > > > > > > > > > and organ well. Possesses a very good voice. > A > > good > > > > > orator > > > > > > > > > too. > > > > > > > > > > > > <== > > > > > > > > > > > > And I wonder, does it goes in favor of Sorabh > > ji? > > > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > , " renunw " > > > > > > > > > renunw@ > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sorabh ji and Sreeram ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I quote the following lines by Sreeram ji and > > > > would give > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > example > > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Jupiter in Lagna has NO relation to music, > > unless > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > connected > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus in some respect.' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 14th Dec, 1984 at 8.26 AM in Colombo, Sri > Lanka. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter in lagna in the Nakshastra of VENUS. > In > > > > Navamsa > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspected by VENUS. So the connection > expressed > > by > > > > > Sreeram > > > > > > ji > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > valid to this horoscope. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He is a good singer and plays musical > > instruments, > > > > > > especially > > > > > > > > > > piano > > > > > > > > > > > > > and organ well. Possesses a very good voice. > A > > good > > > > > orator > > > > > > > > > too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blessings > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > , > > > > > " sreeram > > > > > > > > > > srinivas " > > > > > > > > > > > > > sreeram64@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr - Mr Sorabh Sharma ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter in Lagna has NO relation to music, > > > > unless it > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > conected > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus in some respect. Kindly provide the > > birth > > > > data { > > > > > > > > > Lagna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in Lagna, planets aspecting the Lagna, > Jupiter > > > > > placement > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, its > > > > > > > > > > > > > > amsa position} > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreeram_Srinivas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > , > > > > > > > > > > " mrsorabhsharma " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mrsorabhsharma@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If i may make a contribution regarding this > > > > matter - I > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > found > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that jupiter in the lagna and strong > mercury > > > > placement > > > > > - > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspecting lagna lord or lagna gives strong > > > > musical > > > > > > > > > interests. > > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can be found in many musician charts also - > > > > including > > > > > > lata > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mangeshkar and micheal jackson.But what is > the > > > > > > signficance > > > > > > > > > of a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planet like jupiter with music? I would > love > > your > > > > > > thoughts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many thanks Kind regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorabh SHarma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2008 Report Share Posted January 25, 2008 Dear Chan ji, Good story. Love and regards, Sreenadh , " Chandu2chill " <nanna_id2006 wrote: > > > Dear Sheevani Ji, > > If i may add my 2 cents.. > > //shani is exalted in vishakha nakshatra( owned by jupiter)??? some > sort of parivartana???// > > What i learned is Shani is exalted in Swati Nakshatra... > > Here goes the story... > > One day, God invited the Nava Grahas to His kingdom. > > " Tell me, " he said, " which among the 27 nakshatras is > the greatest? " > > All the Nava Grahas preferred their stars of exaltation, because it > was here that they felt most comfortable. Therefore, Surya voted for > Ashwini, Chandra for Kritika, Budha for Hasta, Sukra for Revati, > Kuja for Dhanista, Guru for Pushya, and Sani for Swati. > > Since there was no consensus, God wanted Rahu and Ketu to vote for > one of the stars already mentioned above. > > This irked Surya and Chandra, who complained and said that demons > were not fit to vote on such divine matters. But God waved aside > their protests and said that, in His kingdom, all were equal, and so > both Rahu and Ketu had as much a right to vote as any of the other > Nava Grahas. > > Both of them agreed with Sani and said that Swati was the greatest > of the nakshatras. > > Once again, Surya and Chandra protested, but God ignored them and > said, " Swati it is, then! But first, I think that we should know why > exactly it is Swati. " Sani, who had first said that Swati was the > greatest, stood up, bowed low before the Lord, and said, " My Lord, I > did not vote for Swati merely because it is the star of my > exaltation. Neither did I vote for it because it is owned by my good > friend Rahu, who owns Kumbha along with me. " > > God knew this, and He also knew what was coming next. But He > pretended to be surprised. " Why then, pray tell me, did you vote for > Swati, Sani? " " Because, my Lord, this star signifies a desire to > attain Your kingdom more than any other star. " > > " Liar! " screamed Surya, rebuking his son. " How can a star owned by > hedonistic Rahu signify Godliness? " He then turned to God and > said, " My Lord, I request that you turn my son Sani out of Your > kingdom. " > > " Silence! " thundered God, " You may be Sani's father, Surya, but > remember, that I am everybody's father, including you. Keep quite > now, or I shall tell Rahu to eat you! " > > Surya sat down, trembling with fear. > > " Continue, Sani, " said God in a calmer tone. " In what way does Swati > signify desire to attain My kingdom? Who taught you this? " > > " My Lord, I learnt this from a bird called the common hawk cuckoo, > which is also called chatak or papiha. " " Pray, my son, please > enlighten us. What is so special about this bird? " asked Surya, keen > on getting into God's good books once again by showing affection to > his son. > > " Father, the special thing about the chatak is that it will drink > only rain water that falls when the star Swati is rising. " > > " Hah! " said Surya, reverting to his customary arrogance. " Is that > all? Is this the only thing great about the chatak? " " Father! You > are so proud of your kingdom that you fail to realize the greatness > of small things. The chatak will refuse water from even holy rivers > like the Ganga and the Yamuna. Even if it is offered water > > from a sacred temple tank, it will not drink it. In fact, I will not > be surprised if it holds even the nectar of immortality in contempt, > preferring instead the rain water that falls on a Swati. " > > " Son, " said Surya, " Being at the outer edge of the solar system, so > far away from me, has no doubt confused your brains. Why else would > you confuse silliness with greatness? " > > " This is not silliness, but greatness, father, " said Sani. " And > being away from your blinding light, I have savoured the darkness > and contemplated long upon things dear to me, like Vairagya and > Viveka. To me, the chatak is an exemplary example of both. " > > " In what way? " demanded Surya. > > " Thanks to the Viveka possessed by the chatak, it is able to > discriminate and realize that the water that falls on a Swati is the > greatest. Because it practices Vairagya, it is able to give up its > desire for all other sources of water. " > > Before Surya could interrupt him, Sani continued, " This is what man > has to do. He should shun everything--especially the power that you > can offer, father--and choose only God. Only then will he attain > Moksha. " > > Surya was quite keen on rebuking his son again, but a quick glance > at God's smiling countenance convinced him that if he spoke now, > then God would surely set Rahu upon him. > > Sani continued, " The chatak also shows us that the path to God is > not easy. God, though pleased with the chatak for shunning all other > water bodies, still tests the chatak to see if its resolve to taste > only the rain water of Swati is strong. The chatak, by being firm, > shows devotees that they must be willing to put up with hardships in > order to realize Him. " > > When Sani finished, God was immensely pleased with him. " Sani, your > explanation is wonderful. From now on, you shall be called Swati > Ucchan not just because you are exalted in Swati, but because you > have grasped the inner meaning so beautifully. " > > As Sani bowed low before God, the other Nava Grahas applauded him. > > Budha, ever keen on depicting his poetic wit, and on having the last > word, said, " Excellent, friend Sani! From now on, may Swati be to > Sani what Swaha is to Agni! " > > * * * > ~~~~~~~~~ > Courtesy: Sri Balaji Narasimhan > > Regards > > Chann > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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