Fwd: A very exciting discussion with Guruji on another forum.

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a_quest_beyond_astrology , " OM "

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Friends,

 

Had a great discussion with Guruji on another forum.

 

Here's an extract on this:

 

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Dear Souvik

 

12th house is fifth house for 8th house. That means the 12th house

shows the purva

 

punya(past inherited good karma) for the 8th house of transformation.

 

There is no real loss in this world. What we percieve as loss, is

the purification of the

 

bodie(s). I have described the five different bodies in another

message.

 

The seed for d-20 is 8th house house(20/12, remainder=8).

 

And hence, Vimsamsa(D-20), is used to understand the spiritual index

of a person. How will

 

he attain metaphysical consciousness, what are the means(Martial

arts, meditation, books ,

 

astrology etc),

 

THere is a lot more to it. You should be willing to learn.

best wishes

partha

 

 

Dear friends,

 

We can't seem to escape from this bussiness of occult /

spirituality, can we? Some may

 

think why can't we have a clean scientific dicussion on astrology

without getting into this

 

numbo jumbo.

 

Parthaji, could you explain what you mean by " higher astrology " and

what should one look for

 

in " Moksha Trikona " ?

 

Vinita

 

Dear Vinita

 

I thought i had posted a farily decent description of the divisional

charts. Where is the

 

Mumbo-jumbo in it?

 

All the divisional charts relate the the conscious and subconscious

as well as supra

 

conscious planes. I have also mentioned that the first set of

divisional charts that is d-1

 

to d-12 talk about the physical planes, and hence all matters of

physical fortune and health

 

can be deciphered from here.

 

Trikona is a term, tri-three, kona-corners.

Thus 1,5,9-dharma trikona, self, power, and guru

2,6,10-Artha Trikona-wealth, service, career

3,7,11-kama trikona-

4,8,12-moksha trikona

 

Where is the mumbo here, i did not even touch metaphysical part of

astrology. If i start

 

doing that half of the people will fall to sleep.

 

best wishes

partha

SJC-Hyderabad

Srijagannath.org

partvinu.tripod.com

 

 

 

Dear Parthaji,

 

I have a few questions:

 

1. I have a very basic question to your Trikon concept of Brahma,

Vishnu, Shiv...When so say

 

'Brhama', 'Vishnu' and 'Shiv'...what exactly do u mean...do u mean

mythological figures or

 

attribute abstraction?

 

2. Do we really have to bring in religion to decipher the secrets of

astrology?

 

Regards,

 

Souvik

 

 

Dear Souvik

 

Let us say that there are no words in this world, no words

absolutely, how will i talk to

 

you.

 

Brahma Visnhu And Shiva are not related to religion, when the names

were invented . They

 

were related to the phenomena that people observed.

Religion was born after man was born, not before him.

Religion is the practice of certain rituals and worshipping God.

 

Now if the nature is called God what is wrong with that.

The only mistake probably made was that God Is angry, and hence we

should please him.

 

GOD is SAT_CHIT_ANANDA

 

He is all in all, he is the creator and created

He is the truth, he is the knowledge, he is Bliss

He is the entire universe, all the atoms, and the space between Atoms

 

When he is all in all, what does he NEED??

He doesnot need anything, neither does he want anything

These things were invented to make people worship him and bow to him

There is no need to bow to him, we all have to love him, because

loving him, is loving

 

yourself and everybody around you. He doesnot require this, but then

if you love, your

 

energies are directed in a smoother way.

 

Okay, i was diverting

Brahma is the seed or the creator. Brahma is just a name , you can

also call it an IDEA

Vishnu is the sustainer, or the WORD. Hence Mercury is refered to as

Vishnu

Shiva is the completion(Not destroyer), but the actual action part

of the whole thing

 

You may have an idea about TV, but how do you materialise it, ask

Graham Bell

You may have an Idea about Internet, but how do you materialise it?

YOu have to put down your ideas on PAPER(mercury again), this should

be articulated(mercury

 

again).

ANd then you should act on it, creat a pilot project, and then test

run it. This is action.

 

These are the Pancha Tatwas(Or the five elements)

 

There is a lot more to it.

DOnt get trapped in words and Symbols, they are only to convey a

message. They do not mean

 

you have to worship someone

best wishes

partha

 

 

 

Dear Parthaji,

 

Excellent!! I am a very difficult student and donot get easily

satisfied...but yes, this

 

answer has cleared a lot of doubts I had about Gurus!!

 

I also think the same....

 

Is Sanjayji's Jamini Upadesas Book good to start with..for studing

Jamini?? I anticipate an

 

unbiased answer...

 

Regards,

 

Souvik

 

Dear Souvik

 

Even though I am his student, still i am an individual and have my

own views on things.

The reason is that i learnt traditional astrology from the books of

my grandfather, then

 

Late B.V.Raman.

I came to Sanjayji much later, that was in 2002. I learnt spiritual

astrology from his

 

articles.

 

But all the esoteric astrology, about ideas etc are my own

terminologies.

 

I recommend mantras after i tell the people about the science of

mantras. I dont tell them

 

that some god has to be pleased. I tell them the following if i give

Lakshmi mantra

 

Venus Represents Lakshmi, and Venus is the female energy the liquid

energy in the Human

 

Body. When a person is facing difficulties with Finances, he is

adviced to worship Lakshmi

 

because Lakshmi has to be pleased or she is angry etc. I never

Subscribed to such views!!

Lakshmi represents the inherent dormant liquid energy.

The entire world is Energy and Mass

In the words of ancients it is Prakriti and Purusha

or Lakshmi and Vishnu

Or Parvati and Shiva

 

So to harness the energy, the ancients invented certain words which

repeated again and again

 

become potent and give effect.

WHY?

Words are SOUNDS

SOUND is ENERGY

ENERGY DIRECTED AT ONE PLACE AGAIN AND AGAIN BECOMES MASS

WHen you repeat sounds of a mantra again and again, they become

concentrated

Mass is nothing but concentration of energy. E=MC2

 

If you call energy Lakshmi, Liquidity laksmi it does not matter

It matters when you think that the Gods and Godesses are very needy

and need our worship,

 

then there is a huge problem

 

UNFORTUNATELY no one, not even Sanjayji have actually talked in a

very scientific way. But

 

if you can be free from Biases, then please read either

B.Suryanaraian Rao's translation of

 

Jaimini Sutras, or the Translation of Sanjay Rath.

If you are patient, and want the scientific explanation of astrology

then wait for some

 

years for the book i would write

That would prove that astrology is purely a science.

Science of existence, science of understanding higher truths

best wishes

partha

 

 

 

First Time I hearing such things from a SJC Guru..

 

My best wishes for your book....I feel just the same about

astrology...I am glad I came

 

across you....

 

Thanks for your suggestions on the books...I will get hold of one

soon....

 

If u do get time, please do pulnge into a very small of group of

mine:

navlakshya....it is a . I would love it if u would join

in.

 

Anyway,

I am compiling a work on the death. I require some test cases for

the same:

1. Some eminent ppl's Data: Birth Details and Death Details

2. Some case studies: Data of ppl who have died and whose details

are avaliable with you.

Please do help me in compiling this work..

 

Regards,

Souvik

 

 

 

Dear Souvik

 

I had actually taken a break from astrology and thus i had left many

groups. I am not

 

discussing any charts also. But some people are asking me for

readings, which i am unable to

 

decline.

 

I have come to this group as an anonymous member. But I had to

reveal my identity when Siva

 

asked me to get in touch with Sanjay Rath.

 

I can join your group, but i will discuss only concepts

 

I am in small groups now, merely observing, and adding the knowledge

if necessary.

 

I dont know where i kept the Punya Chakra document, where i have

death data of some eminent

 

people . I will try to locate it and give it you.

best wishes

partha

 

 

 

Dear Parthaji,

 

It is really strange that we share so much in common......I also

donot like to read charts

 

myself but discuss concepts...u r more than welcome to discuss such

valuable concepts in my

 

small group....

 

If this doc. is the doc u had uploaded in vedic astrology or jyotish

remedies..then I think

 

I have a copy...I have been one of the old members of these groups

and as far as I remember

 

u had answered my Gopuramsa query wrt Trikalagya Yog in vedic-

astrology...wow!! good memory

 

I have !!

 

will check my docs library and get back to you...

 

It was a pleasure to interact with you!!

 

Regards,

 

Souvik

 

 

 

 

 

 

What a great discussion! Parthaji must be thanked a million times

for clearing up so many

 

doubts. The explanation of sounds and mantras E=MC2 was especially

great.

Parthaji, my question to you is to if we wish to straighten a graha,

is direct worship of

 

the afflicted planet beneficial or worshipping the planet's ruling

deity?

 

Kalyana,

 

That was a most wonderful explanation of lower and higher astrology.

There is a lesson here

 

for all of us. Perhaps we should consider shifting to the higher

form before any loss makes

 

us realize that.

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Sanjitji,

 

Indeed...it was a great discussion..it is our luck to have parthaji

in this group...Yes, it

 

was his theory of planets and mantras that actually made me realise

his depth of

 

knowledge...

 

Well, Parthaji would surely answer your query but here are my humble

views on the topic..

 

Planets just play the roles they are assigned to play in our

lives...if we need to appease

 

anyone it is neither the planets nor the deities but our weak-

instincts..this method was

 

assigned names and thus evolved the mantras...it is actually a

process of strengthening our

 

weakenesses....it starts and ends with the Self...

 

Regards,

 

Souvik

 

 

Dear Souvik

 

Here is the Death data that you wanted, i was searching it for you.

 

Politicians

Chart 1: Mahatma Gandhi Punya (death) chart

January 30, 1948

Time: 17:00:00

Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

Place: 77 E 12' 00 " , 28 N 36' 00 "

 

Chart 2: Indira Gandhi Punya (death) chart

October 31, 1984

Time: 11:00:00

Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

Place: 77 E 13' 00 " , 28 N 40' 00 "

Delhi, India

 

Chart 3: Rajiv Gandhi Punya

May 21, 1991

Time: 20:00:00

Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

Place: 79 E 58' 00 " , 12 N 58' 00 "

Sriperumbudur, India

 

 

Spiritualists

Chart 4: Suicide case ?Punya (death) chart

June 29, 2002

Time: 19:50:00

Time Zone: 4:00:00 (West of GMT)

Place: 77 W 12' 32 " , 39 N 01' 05 "

Potomac, Maryland, USA

 

 

Chart 5: Sridhar Goswami Maharaj Punya

August 12, 1988

Time: 18:45:39

Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

Place: 88 E 22' 00 " , 23 N 25' 00 "

Navadwip, India

 

 

Filmstars

Chart 6: Gregory Peck Punya (death)

June 12, 2003

Time: 9:00:00

Time Zone: 7:00:00 (West of GMT)

Place: 118 W 14' 34 " , 34 N 03' 08 "

Los Angeles, California, USA

 

 

General

Chart 7: C.B. Willis Mother Punya

May 9, 1998

Time: 7:34:00 pm

Time Zone: 7:00:00 (West of GMT)

Place: 121 W 53' 38 " , 37 N 20' 22 "

San Jose, California, USA

 

 

Chart 8: Quinn, Bill Punya

August 20, 1997

Time: 8:00:00 am

Time Zone: 4:00:00 (West of GMT)

Place: 73 W 18' 24 " , 40 N 42' 22 "

West Islip, New York, USA

Mass deaths

 

 

Chart 9: World Trade Center bombing

September 11, 2001

Time: 8:25:00 am

Time Zone: 4:00:00 (West of GMT)

Place: 74 W 00' 23 " , 40 N 42' 51 "

New York, New York, USA

 

 

 

Chart 10: Columbia Shuttle

February 1, 2003

Time: 9:00:00 am

Time Zone: 5:00:00 (West of GMT)

Place: 80 W 36' 18 " , 28 N 24' 20 "

Cape Canaveral, Florida, USA

 

best wishes

partha

 

 

 

 

EVER GRATEFUL

 

Thanks a ton, Parthaji...these are invaluable data to me....

 

Regards,

 

Souvik

 

 

Souvikji,

 

Planets just play the roles they are assigned to play in our lives

 

Planets are the medium through which each and every thing is

controlled in this world.

 

Parasara says the 9 planets are none other than Lord Vishnu Himself

who adminsters and rules

 

the universe through His 9 forms. Any life that comes to this

planet, even Lord Vishnu

 

himself, will be controlled by the planets. That is the system. In

the form of Rama, He had

 

to suffer on Earth because of Saturn though that planet is His own

form. Nothing can escape

 

this system.

 

if we need to appease anyone it is neither the planets nor the

deities but our

 

weak-instincts..this method was assigned names and thus evolved the

mantras...it is actually

 

a process of strengthening our weakenesses....it starts and ends

with the Self...

 

 

The Sanskrit meaning of the word Graha is grip. This grip has to be

removed or loosened

 

first which cannot come solely from strengthening our weakenesses

but appeasement.

 

Souvikji, could you please email the doc you were talking about to

me? Thanks in advance.

 

Sanjit

 

 

Dear Sanjit

 

Here is a scientific Explanation of the whole process of worship.

 

There are three levels of knowing or awarenes

 

a) Hope

b) Belief

c) Faith

 

In hope you are just hoping that God will answer your prayers

In Belief you somehow believe that God will answer your prayers,

because of some past

 

actions

In Faith, you know that whether you are good, bad, ugly, deformed,

criminal, saint, all your

 

prayers will be answered, because you and HE are one and The same.

He has created all the

 

souls with the same powers that he Has. he has Given all the souls

Complete free will.

The Universe is a gigantic ALL A DIN lamp, it is a great Machine

which answers all our

 

prayers, because we have to just ask for it.

 

So when we worship we actually are either bringing in certain

energies to US, or expelling

 

certain energies

 

ALL the universe is made up of PANCHA BHUTAS, or the Five elements

In Essence everything is same. Only the configuration is different.

Every person has 6+1 Chakras in his anatomy that control and

regulate life.

The higher chakras are used to percieve the world(Ajna chakra-eyes),

Throat Chakra(hearing

 

and breathing), etc

The lower chakras are used to digest food and excrete them,.

All this is pretty scientific if one understands the Human Body.

 

ASTROLOGY helps us to correct our chakras, our system, the physical

and mental Body.

When Mars is too strong, then the person is of fiery temperament. It

brings out lot of

 

anger.

The worship or Prayer, or uttering of certain sounds, creates

certain vibrations that COOL

 

the System called body, so that the Body reacts to anger in a cool

manner.

ALL WE THINK, TALK, and DO IS NOTHING BUT PRAYER>

 

When we think something positive, the Universe makes sure that you

are going to get that.

When you think negative, you get nothing but negative.

 

But if You say I WANT MONEY, you will NOT get, as the universe is

very innocent, and it will

 

respond by creating the FEELING OF WANT. See you should not think I

WANT, you should either

 

think I HAVE, and if your mind is not ready to accept it, then

think, I WILL,. When you say

 

I will or I am recieving Money, you shall definitely get it.

I have done this experiment with myself and i have got it,.

I read it, but then i TRIED IT.

 

SO never think something rubbish over and over again. Whenever you

get thoughts of accident,

 

or bad events of some close ones, just change it to Om Namah

Shivaya, or if you are not

 

beleiving in Hindu mantras, then think something good.

 

The universe i am repeating is very innocent. It will only do as you

Wish. If you keep on

 

thinking about negative things, even though you are not willing it

to happen to you, but

 

still such things would happen, as you are " THINKING ABOUT IT " .

Thought is creative. Thought

 

is energy. SO energy put in a place again and again will become mass.

So the next time you get small cold, or scratch, dont think it was

an ACCIDENT>

THERE ARE NO ACCIDENTS, COINCIDENCES IN UNVIERSE. There are no

Miracles, Miracles we call,

 

if we cant understand the Universe.

 

THus mantras, or words, or sounds, or thoughts are all one and the

same. You are a great

 

Body attracting MILLIONS of impulses all the time. If you are

regularly alone for atleast 10

 

minutes a day, you can think about what is happening around you.

 

So all the mantras are nothing but self correcting TOOLS. These

tools Should be used with

 

caution, as you dont really know your constitution,

whether you are PITTA(Fire), VATA(Air) and Kapha(Water).

Some mantras can have adverse effect on you, if you dont understand.

Thus dont give mantras, or recieve mantras from The IGNORANT>

best wishes

partha

 

 

 

 

Sanjitji,

 

Yes, the grip needs to be loosened..but who is holding the grip

tight...none other than u

 

urself....

 

We see that pollution level is increasing, ozone holes are being

formed...green house effect

 

increasing...yes, ofcourse these are the wrath of the palnets...but

are they physically

 

doing it?? Or is it us humans who r digging the grave...

 

If pujas, mantras and spirituality would have done

everything...astrologers would not have

 

taken dakshinas and ppl like u n me need not have worked the whole

day for food, clothing

 

and shelter...we get what we do and that is exactly what we

deserve....

 

So, if planets r badly placed, they will change ur instincts to suit

the results

 

indicated...it is ultimately u who is to praised or blamed for ur

life...no one more no one

 

less...so mantras help u control ur instincts...

 

The doc details are laready posted by Parthaji...

Regards,

 

Souvik

 

 

Souvikji,

 

Now you are becoming philosophical with discussions on roti, kapda

and makan!

 

Parthaji,

 

You have just presented a simply mind blowing theory! You mean to

say that we reap what we

 

think! Amazing! Okay I will practise it and I will post the results.

How about everyone

 

adopting this

 

'you should not think I WANT, you should either think I HAVE, and if

your mind is not ready

 

to accept it, then think, I WILL'

 

Whoa! What a great attitude. Lets focus on I WILL get that something

we desire badly over

 

the next week or so, a job, money, or whatever and enjoy the fruits.

 

Regards

Sanjit

 

 

 

Dear Sanjit

 

When you think " I WILL GET A JOB " , but at the same time " wishing for

it, wanting it badly "

 

you will not get it.

 

The reason is simple. You are still wanting it. Want is the actual

thought. Want is the

 

Sponsoring thought. Desire is what you are requesting from Universe,

and desire is what you

 

will get, more desire, and more disappointment

 

Dont WANT, Just Be

 

Remember when you fell in love, were you in love, or were you

wanting to love.

You are either BEING HAPPY, or BEING sad

You are never THINKING HAPPY, or THINKING sad

 

Thus all you need to do is not to be desparate, or hopeful, or needy.

You have to Simply KNOW, KNOW that whatever you ask, without

attatchment you shall get it.

 

When krishna said, dont aspire for results, he DID NOT MEAN TO

FORGET THE RESULTS>

 

He meant, just do your work(work includes thinking, acting, and

willing), your work shall

 

bear fruits automatically.

 

You need not worry about the results, as the results are already

there, that is what Krishna

 

Meant.

 

If You WORRY, you are stopping the energies reaching you.

Because worry is a doubt, it is a hope, it is uncertain.

 

When you KNOW fully the power of universe, the time between thinking

and it happening will

 

be within seconds

be careful

best wishes

partha

 

 

 

 

 

 

I agree 100% with Parthaji..

 

" Don't think you can, know you can "

- Morpheous, Martix

 

Regards,

 

Souvik

 

 

 

 

Dear Parthaji,

 

Just to add to it...

 

If u r not the ONE...u can never understand this theory....

 

" Being the One is like being in Love, you can never be taught to be

the One "

- The Oracle, Matrix

 

So, if it is ur destiny to think u r, instead of wanting to be...u

surely will....

 

Regards,

 

Souvik

 

 

 

Dear Souvik

 

Yes, that is a good one.

 

Matrix is my favorite movie, and i Use it many times to explain

things to friends

 

I have analysed the movie very deeply, and understood that there is

lot to learn from it.

People Dismiss the movies as metaphysical mumbo jumbo, when there

are many beautiful

 

practical things to learn

 

The problem with movies is that things cannot be explained in

detail. That one can do in

 

Novel or a book.

 

I liked the Humor also. In the first one Morpheus asks Neo,

" Do you think you are breathing? "

 

best wishes

partha

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Parthaji,

 

Guess how many times I have seen the Matrix (part one)-14 times...I

ditto ur feelings on the

 

movie...

 

It would be my honor if u joined my group:

navlakshya/

 

U r partha sarathi...he too had pledged not to use any weapon in

Kurukshetra and Arjun

 

agreed to it..so here to I humbly promise u that u donot have to see

any individual

 

chart...just shower on us your divine knowledge....that is my only

request!!

 

 

Regards,

 

Souvik

 

 

 

 

Dear Souvik

 

I have joined your group. Shall enjoy myself there

best wishes

partha

 

 

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Regards,

 

Souvik

 

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