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I am reproducing the news article in 15-Jan-2008 Times of India, Delhi edition, page 21. We may discuss this later .......meanwhile go through this

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FOETAL ATTRACTION

The case of the twins who inadvertently married raises questions about the attraction of siblings who suffer separation

Richard Woods & Claire Newell Imagine what they thought, imagine the turmoil they endured. They are the twins who, it emerged, were separated at birth and given up for adoption only to meet by chance years later - and marry. The man and woman, unaware that they were brother and sister, had grown up separately, perhaps far apart, in different families. Yet when fate brought them together again, they experienced an uncanny bond and a sexual attraction. As David Alton, who revealed the case, said: "They were never told they were twins. They met later in life and felt an inevitable attraction." Did they sense some blood relationship? It certainly must have seemed odd: both had been born on the same day in the same year. Did they just take that as an incredible, happy coincidence? Did they not know they were adopted? Or did they suspect they were related, only for the power of their attraction to prove overwhelming? According to Alton, the couple married and only later discovered that they were twins. "The judge had to deal with the consequences of their marriage, and all the issues of their separation," he said. "For them it was a terrible tragedy. It was an incredibly heartrending experience." The marriage was annulled at a special hearing in the high court last year with the judge ruling it had never been valid. The siblings have not been identified. Experts suspect they must be at least 30 because the law on adoption changed in 1976, making it much easier for adopted children to discover their biological parents. Since then, too, every effort has been made to keep together siblings put up for adoption. Alton raised the case in the House of Lords not for its own sake but to draw attention to a wider issue. He believes that the risk of siblings unwittingly marrying each other is rising fast because of the prevalence of IVF treatment. Since 1991 more than 27,000 babies have been born from donated sperm, eggs and embryos. As a result there may be thousands of people who unwittingly share one parent — and who may one day meet and fall in love. What are the risks? Do such unwitting siblings have a special attraction to each other? And does the law need to be changed so that birth certificates always make it clear who a child's biological parents are? The extraordinary case of the twins who married is not the first time a brother and sister have been lovers without knowing their blood relationship. In one case in the US, a Polish couple had 13 children and gave up nine for adoption. They were all placed with families in a fairly small geographical area. Some of the children were later told they had been adopted, others were not. Gary Klahr grew up not knowing he was adopted and in 1979 he met and dated Micka Zeman. They had a relationship for six months — and only later found out they were brother and sister. "My relationship with my sister is the kind of thing that could have you jumping out of the window," he said later. "But we didn't know. Thank God we didn't get married." With identical twins, there are powerful reasons for a special relationship — even if they have been separated. Having come from a single egg and sperm, they have the same genetic make-up, which exerts a profound influence on their lives even if they have been brought up in different circumstances. However, with fraternal twins — who come from two eggs — and ordinary siblings, fewer genes are shared and there is no obvious reason why there should be an innate powerful attraction. Yet researchers believe that a peculiar syndrome does exist in cases where close relatives meet after being separated in childhood. Glenn Wilson, a reader in personality at the Institute of Psychiatry, said: "It's now a widely recognised phenomenon that if you meet someone you have been separated from as a child you may find you are extremely attracted to them. It's known as Genetic Sexual Attraction, but it's genetic only in that you are closely related to that person — it is not necessarily caused by strictly genetic factors. It could be caused by a very early experience of close family, which sets up your blueprint of what would be a good mate later on. "People who meet family members later in life have described how they feel a `bolt of lightning'." The danger is that siblings, unaware of their relationship, may marry and have children. The similarity in their DNA poses significant health risks. "Siblings share half their genes just like a parent and offspring," said Steve Jones, professor of genetics at University College London. "So the problems which could arise from having a child with your brother and sister and having one with a parent are the same. There is little data for the implications of sibling marriage, but we know that whatever the childhood death rate is in a country, it is doubled if a child is born from two cousins. "If a child is born from two siblings, the risks are likely to increase further. Many of us have recessive genes for genetic disorders like cystic fibrosis. If a person who has one of these genes has a child with a cousin or a sibling the chance of disability or death increases." Such is the scale of IVF now that in America one donor recently calculated that he could theoretically have fathered 4,960 children after 15 years of donating sperm. "That's the top mathematical possibility," he said. After taking into account failure rates and other variables, he put a more realistic estimate at 432. In Britain, donors are restricted to 10 offspring. Nevertheless, it still means the risks of half-brothers and half-sisters meeting are rising fast. SUNDAY TIMES, LONDON

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Dear Srinivas ji, If the siblings, unaware of their relationship, may marry and have children - (then in my opinion) It is better to forget that they are siblings and live a happy married life; because it not they who caused it but the society. They are simply the victims and the people who donated the numerous sperms and ovums and the government who permitted are the culprits. Of course the natural problem is there. Such as - "If a child is born from two siblings, the risks are likely to increase further. Many of us have recessive genes for genetic disorders like cystic fibrosis. If a person who has one of these genes has a child with a cousin or a sibling the chance of disability or death increases." Actually the problem is already present even in India, where marriage within family and close relations (such as with uncle, with uncle's son etc) takes place. There is no point in hiding a fact and is projected ethical problems. Of course ethics is ok at the beginning and should be followed; and once some thing goes wrong without our awareness, (i.e. once the fault/problem occurs) then accept the problem as a reality, and continue with the normal life - instead of creating new psychological and social problems - by boiling it again and again - within and outside; that will only pour oil into the fire. ==> Such is the scale of IVF now that in America one donor recently calculated that he could theoretically have fathered 4,960 children after 15 years of donating sperm. "That's the top mathematical possibility," he said. After taking into account failure rates and other variables, he put a more realistic estimate at 432. In Britain, donors are restricted to 10 offspring. Nevertheless, it still means the risks of half-brothers and half-sisters meeting are rising fast. SUNDAY TIMES, LONDON <== It is DONATING TOO MANY sperms and ovums by the same people is the prime culprit in the issue, and the Govt who legally permitted this is the second culprit. Donating too many sperms and ovums by the same people (to hospitals etc) should be legally BANNED and avoided. And NO BLAME should go to the unfortunate couples (victims) who just naturally fell in love and started a relation - even when they continue the relation living a happy married life; or opt to live separately. Love and regards,Sreenadh , "sreeram srinivas" <sreeram64 wrote:

I am reproducing the news article in 15-Jan-2008 Times of India, Delhi edition, page 21. We may discuss this later .......meanwhile go through this

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FOETAL ATTRACTION

The case of the twins who inadvertently married raises questions about the attraction of siblings who suffer separation

Richard Woods & Claire Newell Imagine what they thought, imagine the turmoil they endured. They are the twins who, it emerged, were separated at birth and given up for adoption only to meet by chance years later - and marry. The man and woman, unaware that they were brother and sister, had grown up separately, perhaps far apart, in different families. Yet when fate brought them together again, they experienced an uncanny bond and a sexual attraction. As David Alton, who revealed the case, said: "They were never told they were twins. They met later in life and felt an inevitable attraction." Did they sense some blood relationship? It certainly must have seemed odd: both had been born on the same day in the same year. Did they just take that as an incredible, happy coincidence? Did they not know they were adopted? Or did they suspect they were related, only for the power of their attraction to prove overwhelming? According to Alton, the couple married and only later discovered that they were twins. "The judge had to deal with the consequences of their marriage, and all the issues of their separation," he said. "For them it was a terrible tragedy. It was an incredibly heartrending experience." The marriage was annulled at a special hearing in the high court last year with the judge ruling it had never been valid. The siblings have not been identified. Experts suspect they must be at least 30 because the law on adoption changed in 1976, making it much easier for adopted children to discover their biological parents. Since then, too, every effort has been made to keep together siblings put up for adoption. Alton raised the case in the House of Lords not for its own sake but to draw attention to a wider issue. He believes that the risk of siblings unwittingly marrying each other is rising fast because of the prevalence of IVF treatment. Since 1991 more than 27,000 babies have been born from donated sperm, eggs and embryos. As a result there may be thousands of people who unwittingly share one parent — and who may one day meet and fall in love. What are the risks? Do such unwitting siblings have a special attraction to each other? And does the law need to be changed so that birth certificates always make it clear who a child's biological parents are? The extraordinary case of the twins who married is not the first time a brother and sister have been lovers without knowing their blood relationship. In one case in the US, a Polish couple had 13 children and gave up nine for adoption. They were all placed with families in a fairly small geographical area. Some of the children were later told they had been adopted, others were not. Gary Klahr grew up not knowing he was adopted and in 1979 he met and dated Micka Zeman. They had a relationship for six months — and only later found out they were brother and sister. "My relationship with my sister is the kind of thing that could have you jumping out of the window," he said later. "But we didn't know. Thank God we didn't get married." With identical twins, there are powerful reasons for a special relationship — even if they have been separated. Having come from a single egg and sperm, they have the same genetic make-up, which exerts a profound influence on their lives even if they have been brought up in different circumstances. However, with fraternal twins — who come from two eggs — and ordinary siblings, fewer genes are shared and there is no obvious reason why there should be an innate powerful attraction. Yet researchers believe that a peculiar syndrome does exist in cases where close relatives meet after being separated in childhood. Glenn Wilson, a reader in personality at the Institute of Psychiatry, said: "It's now a widely recognised phenomenon that if you meet someone you have been separated from as a child you may find you are extremely attracted to them. It's known as Genetic Sexual Attraction, but it's genetic only in that you are closely related to that person — it is not necessarily caused by strictly genetic factors. It could be caused by a very early experience of close family, which sets up your blueprint of what would be a good mate later on. "People who meet family members later in life have described how they feel a `bolt of lightning'." The danger is that siblings, unaware of their relationship, may marry and have children. The similarity in their DNA poses significant health risks. "Siblings share half their genes just like a parent and offspring," said Steve Jones, professor of genetics at University College London. "So the problems which could arise from having a child with your brother and sister and having one with a parent are the same. There is little data for the implications of sibling marriage, but we know that whatever the childhood death rate is in a country, it is doubled if a child is born from two cousins. "If a child is born from two siblings, the risks are likely to increase further. Many of us have recessive genes for genetic disorders like cystic fibrosis. If a person who has one of these genes has a child with a cousin or a sibling the chance of disability or death increases." Such is the scale of IVF now that in America one donor recently calculated that he could theoretically have fathered 4,960 children after 15 years of donating sperm. "That's the top mathematical possibility," he said. After taking into account failure rates and other variables, he put a more realistic estimate at 432. In Britain, donors are restricted to 10 offspring. Nevertheless, it still means the risks of half-brothers and half-sisters meeting are rising fast. SUNDAY TIMES, LONDON

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Sreeram_Srinivas>

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Sexual energy is a type of energy like others we have like hate, work, industrious etc. Our conditioning, hormonal position, ignorance or the lack of it and the circumstances ( grahas ??? ) during the time of an event dictate our response. We can thus be well meaning, helpfull to our co-passenger in a journey or get armorous. The chice as explained above is not ours except when we learn to superseed, transcend all of the above and view a person as a person, not gender specific.

I have not read Frued, and I suspect a male bashing post will come from Renuji...

Time to take cover.--- On Tue, 15/1/08, sreeram srinivas <sreeram64 wrote:

sreeram srinivas <sreeram64 Genetics_Astrology_Society Date: Tuesday, 15 January, 2008, 12:02 PM

 

 

 

 

I am reproducing the news article in 15-Jan-2008 Times of India, Delhi edition, page 21. We may discuss this later .......meanwhile go through this

Quote

FOETAL ATTRACTION

The case of the twins who inadvertently married raises questions about the attraction of siblings who suffer separation

Richard Woods & Claire Newell Imagine what they thought, imagine the turmoil they endured. They are the twins who, it emerged, were separated at birth and given up for adoption only to meet by chance years later - and marry. The man and woman, unaware that they were brother and sister, had grown up separately, perhaps far apart, in different families. Yet when fate brought them together again, they experienced an uncanny bond and a sexual attraction. As David Alton, who revealed the case, said: "They were never told they were twins. They met later in life and felt an

inevitable attraction." Did they sense some blood relationship? It certainly must have seemed odd: both had been born on the same day in the same year. Did they just take that as an incredible, happy coincidence? Did they not know they were adopted? Or did they suspect they were related, only for the power of their attraction to prove overwhelming? According to Alton, the couple married and only later discovered that they were twins. "The judge had to deal with the consequences of their marriage, and all the issues of their separation," he said. "For them it was a terrible tragedy. It was an incredibly heartrending experience." The marriage was annulled at a special hearing in the high court last year with the judge ruling it had never been valid.

The siblings have not been identified. Experts suspect they must be at least 30 because the law on adoption changed in 1976, making it much easier for adopted children to discover their biological parents. Since then, too, every effort has been made to keep together siblings put up for adoption. Alton raised the case in the House of Lords not for its own sake but to draw attention to a wider issue. He believes that the risk of siblings unwittingly marrying each other is rising fast because of the prevalence of IVF treatment. Since 1991 more than 27,000 babies have been born from donated sperm, eggs and embryos. As a result there may be thousands of people who

unwittingly share one parent — and who may one day meet and fall in love. What are the risks? Do such unwitting siblings have a special attraction to each other? And does the law need to be changed so that birth certificates always make it clear who a child's biological parents are? The extraordinary case of the twins who married is not the first time a brother and sister have been lovers without knowing their blood relationship. In one case in the US, a Polish couple had 13 children and gave up nine for adoption. They were all placed with families in a fairly small geographical area. Some of the children were later told they had been adopted, others were not. Gary Klahr grew up not knowing he was adopted and in 1979 he met and dated Micka Zeman. They had a relationship for six months — and only later found out they were brother and sister. "My relationship with my sister is the kind of thing that could have you jumping out of the window," he said later. "But we didn't know. Thank God we didn't get married." With identical twins, there are powerful reasons for a special relationship — even if they have been separated. Having come from a single egg and sperm, they have the same genetic make-up, which exerts a profound influence on their lives even if they have been brought up in different circumstances. However,

with fraternal twins — who come from two eggs — and ordinary siblings, fewer genes are shared and there is no obvious reason why there should be an innate powerful attraction. Yet researchers believe that a peculiar syndrome does exist in cases where close relatives meet after being separated in childhood. Glenn Wilson, a reader in personality at the Institute of Psychiatry, said: "It's now a widely recognised phenomenon that if you meet someone you have been separated from as a child you may find you are extremely attracted to them. It's known as Genetic Sexual Attraction, but it's genetic only in that you are closely related to that person — it is not necessarily caused by strictly genetic factors. It could be caused by a very early experience of close family, which sets

up your blueprint of what would be a good mate later on. "People who meet family members later in life have described how they feel a `bolt of lightning'." The danger is that siblings, unaware of their relationship, may marry and have children. The similarity in their DNA poses significant health risks. "Siblings share half their genes just like a parent and offspring," said Steve Jones, professor of genetics at University College London. "So the problems which could arise from having a child with your brother and sister and having one with a parent are the same. There is little data for the implications of sibling marriage, but we know that whatever the childhood death rate is in a country, it is doubled if a child is born from two cousins.

"If a child is born from two siblings, the risks are likely to increase further. Many of us have recessive genes for genetic disorders like cystic fibrosis. If a person who has one of these genes has a child with a cousin or a sibling the chance of disability or death increases." Such is the scale of IVF now that in America one donor recently calculated that he could theoretically have fathered 4,960 children after 15 years of donating sperm. "That's the top mathematical possibility, " he said. After taking into account failure rates and other variables, he put a more realistic estimate at 432. In Britain, donors are restricted to 10 offspring. Nevertheless, it still means the risks of half-brothers and half-sisters meeting are rising fast. SUNDAY TIMES, LONDON

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Sreeram_Srinivas

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