Is astrology just science fiction? - Group widom (Pearls shared)

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Dear Souvik ji,

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, "Souvik Dutta" <explore_vulcan wrote:

 

Re: Is astrology just science fiction?

 

Dear Jagdish,

 

I will respond with my very limited abilities to the first part of

your question.

 

Yes, you are correct. Powerful rules the powerless. Powerful sets the

rule, and the powerless obeys. Power however transfers with time.

This is global politics and global socio-economic functioning of the

world-way way too complex a topic to discuss here.

 

However, here too an individual has a choice.

 

Do you remember the name of the priest that ordered the arrest of

Galileo? Perhaps not. But do you know Galileo? Sure you do.

Do you remember the wealthy zamindar who ordered men to rampage Raja

Ram Mohan Roy's home for trying to stop sati pratha? Perhaps you

don't. But have you heard about Raja Ram Mohan Roy? Yes you have.

 

There springs out a few individuals, out of this hopeless mass of

humanity who loves following the trend, a very few I must add those

who are trend setters. They suffer greatly in life but they create

history.

 

In the example I told you about you hanging in the bus dying to

survive-thats all of us saying "What the hell are you trying to make

sense out of something as nonsense as astrology" or "What a loser you

are trying to validate something so nonsense and utter bullshit as

astrology". This is easy. We have the world's support-and not only

the world's support but the world's educated masses support. We abuse

it and we lift our collars among the masses and say "Yes sir, I too

hate Indians for being such idiots in believing in such bullshit" and

Lo! you are in the elite club!!

 

So, thats what instinct tells us to do. Go with the powerful. Shun

off the old lady hanging on to us.

Thats what most of us would do to survive!! That I agree.

 

However, the world wouldn't have survived without choices. There is a

choice, another path-as rare as it sounds, it exists. Even if none go

thru it, it exists.

 

What if you struggled to hold the lady, risking your own life,

reaching out to her and helping her to reach safe land on the hanging

bus and making her survive. Yes, you could lose your life in the

process and hers. Yes, I know it is utter stupidity to even think

about it..but what if?

 

And if you made it..then what?? You are a HERO!!

 

Well some few who didn't give up to the "Powerful", be

it "Situations" or "Circumstances" or "Countries", made history.

 

Astrology is yet to prove it to such a global level.

 

Now, coming to the second part of your comment:

"I am doing this and can i get the result ? I have put 100% in this

action..." then astrology really cant say anything..

This relates to the eternal debate of how much free will we have in

the world of astrology. Trust me friend, I have been around in the

cyber-astro world from 1998 and I have seen forums fallen with mutual

fights over this topic. So for this issue, mums the word for me. I

shall be silent.

 

Regards,

 

Souvik

> > > > , Prathamesn Chawan > upaoakcrest@ wrote:> >> > Very beautiful .... you made me speechless...> > > > I can see one thing "Situations" and "Circumstances" > and "Countries" are way stronger and powerful than astrology. Its > human who is making the trend. And astrology has to follow that trend > and develop itself to be up-to-date with the trend. > > > > And i believe that astrology can give you a broad picture. And > people feel mesmerized by this broad picture. Astrology does better > in explaining the mindset and behaviour of native or personality of > native. But when you ask something like... "I am doing this and can i > get the result ? I have put 100% in this action..." then astrology > really cant say anything..> > > > Thanks> > > > Jagdish> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Souvik Dutta explore_vulcan@ wrote:> > Dear Jagdish,> > > > Every civilization that has thrived on this planet has shown a > > tendency of evolution.> > > > First the basic needs have to be fulfilled. In the stone-age if one > > spoke philosophy, one would probably remain hungry and not got a > > share of the communal meat.> > > > When the "Basic" needs of survival are fulfilled, then you look to > > improve your life.> > > > Industries, Science, Technology comes into the picture.> > > > You have posed a very strong point here.> > > > Let me pose the same point to you in a different way.> > > > You and a few others have met with an accident (God forbid) and > > hanging on a birdge.> > An old lady beside you couldn't hold on and fell. She barely > managed > > to hold on to your feet and she did so to survive.> > You on the other hand is unable to bear her weight and yours on > your > > strong arms and you know the "ONLY" possible way you can survive is > > to let the lady go.> > To survive, you will do so.> > > > However, does that mean that you will teach your children to kill > old > > ladies? > > > > No, you won't.> > > > Situations change humans and lives.> > > > Today you say people dont ask their children to be astrologers. The > > reason is that the world thinks so and for your children to survive > > in the global competition around they need skills which are > globally > > accepted.> > > > Three decades from today how many parents wanted their children to > be > > nurses? However, today since there is such a demand of nurses in > the > > developed nations of the world, nursing is a full-fleged career > which > > allows people to go to developed nations and lead a better life.> > > > The rules of society change and with it does the public opinion.> > > > This is a long long discussion > > > > Regards,> > > > Souvik> > > > , Prathamesn Chawan > > <upaoakcrest@> wrote:> > >> > > One basic question to Mr Suresh and Mr. D Ramakrishnan> > > > > > When you child fell sick or your parents are having terrible > > accidents then where do you go ? You can CHOSE ONLY ONE of the > > below...> > > > > > > > > You go to a Doctor ? Or you go to an astrologer ? > > > > > > > > > Probably the answer of this question has the reason that why > > astrology is not considered science and does not have much > > importannce among people. > > > > > > AND Tom, Dick and Harry are getting benefits from Science but not > > from astrology.> > > > > > Before i end up this letter, do you guys send your kids to > > astrologers to learn astrology to learn about fate ? If you dont > then > > you guys are cheats and fakes. You believe in astrology and yet > dont > > want to pass on this divine knowledge to your kids...> > > > > > > > > Thanks> > > > > > Jagdish> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "M.V. Suresh" <mvsureshbaroda@> wrote:> > > Astrology is definitely true. Astrologers are also true. > > The birth time, place and date are also true. The catch is in > > interpretation as relevant to the modern context.> > > > > > Examples> > > > > > 1. When astrology as a science was conceived, the development of > > the country , place and person was minimal(as against the same > > today). The main profession was agriculture and the main system of > > transport was bullock cart. Marriage used to take place early > before > > puberty/adolescence.> > > > > > 2. If a particular combination of planets indicate that the > person > > will own vehicles. It was understood that the person will have > couple > > of bullock carts/chariots etc. In today's context it can mean an > > autorickshaw, maruti car or a BMW. Here is where the mistake takes > > place. Can an astrologer say that he will own a mercedes and not a > > fiat?> > > > > > 3. If a particular combination of planets indicate that the > person > > will be very good in mathematics, astrologers rush to interpret > that > > he will either be a mathematician, can/will do MSc.(Mathematics) or > a > > PhD in Maths etc. No doubt this will be true. As per the ancient > > system this simply meant that the person will be very good in > mental > > arithmetic / calculation etc. The person could be an illiterate but > > still can be very good in arithmetic. Like our grandmothers who > were > > illiterate but could calculate the total yield of paddy from the > > fields on their finger tips. The person could also pursue CA / MBBS > > and still could be good in arithmetic.> > > > > > 4. If it is indicated that a person will have more than one > > marriage, parents conclude that their child will be married twice > > meaning that he will get divorced and marry again. As per the > ancient > > system marriage is consumated, once sex takes place. In today's > > context sex can take place outside marriage. A person may have sex > > with many partners but marry only one.> > > > > > 5. Going abroad was considered very bad in olden times as the > > person will be far away from his parents whom he has to serve till > > they survive. As he will be abdicating his duty it was considered a > > very bad combination if he goes abroad as he cannot do his daily > > duties. For a Brahmin doing Sandhyavandanam is paramount which he > can > > do only in Bharata Desa. Today going abroad it prestigious. Parents > > stay in oldage homes. > > > > > > 6. Most importantly the six sense / the invoking the divine is > very > > essential when an astrologer speaks as it will be his final take > out > > of a set of interpretations. By invoking the divine the margin of > > error can be drastically reduced. Thus there is lot of abstract > sense > > in interpretation just like Ketu and Rahu. When we say astrology is > a > > science, yes it is. But we cannot explain Ketu and Rahu with > respect > > to science or for that matter guligan. Invoking the divine thus > > becomes the very essence of Prasna.> > > > > > 7. Astrology is a science. It is a matter of faith. If a person > has > > faith he can accept it. If he does not have faith his so called > > rational / irrational explanation / justification cannot force an > > astrologer to think otherwise. > > > > > > M.V.Suresh> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > r_vani61@> > > Fri, 11 Jan 2008 07:45:03 +0000> > > Re: Views of some around the > > world: Is astrology just science fiction?> > > > > > Dear Sirs,> > > I feel the Astrology is really true, but not the astrologers. > > Astrology is a Divine Science, I believe, because it is a Vedangam > > and known and practised since ages together. Only thing is that the > > practitioners of this science are not true or the details like > > time/date/place required for this practice is not true. And people > > with half knowledge are proclaiming that their word is true. That > > will not do to make this science great, rather it will become a > > laughing stock to all those Tom, Dick and Harry, who do not have > any > > respect for Truth/Dharma.> > > With regards,> > > D.Ramakrishnan.> > > > > > Prathamesn Chawan <upaoakcrest@> wrote: > > > thats right...> > > > > > Astrology can give only probability of happening. It does not > > give guarentee...> > > > > > If astrology is really true, then man cant keep their eyes away > > from it for longer. Howcome physics, chemicstry, maths, and biology > > is taught in schools but not astrology ? Howcome astrology is > really > > limited to handful of people ?> > > > > > Jagdish> > > > > > > > > > > > Souvik Dutta <explore_vulcan@> wrote:> > > Majority of the modern and developed world today believes > > that no one > > > other than themselves is responsible for their actions.> > > Unless otherwise proven wrong with solid evidence from the > > scientific > > > community today, they would never be convinced.> > > This is pretty much evident from the BBC link.> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > Souvik> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with > > Search. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chat on a cool, new interface. No download required. Click > > here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live the life in style with MSN Lifestyle. Check out! Try it > > now! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? 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