Astrology_Practising

January 14, 2008

Hare rama krishna ,

dear sauvik ji .

i request u to limit discussion regrding learning or discussion of matters related to scriptures .

why some one failed in not our concern and in this grp no one failed .As we never tried so atleast i am safe .

I discussed with u b4 mundane astro is lost and neglected part of astrology and we r not having the facility ( as they r close to kings and has knowledge of all charts ) and knowledge of raja jyothishi s of yore .

EVn in any muhurtha or oath taking the chart of the person is also important .Not only simple muhurtha chart or oath taking chart ,here we dont know correct horoscope of sonia gandhi or Manmohan sigh .As any muhurtha is individual centred .

so i will say tho he failed ( along with 1000s of best predictions ) it was a brave attempt and its far better than 100s of ppl who is corrupting astrology by writing books and flooding market and in actual parlance they fails each and every moment .

i had no doubts abt the rishis knowledge it we who without understanding or lacking correct info and logik we fails .

so think positiv .astrology is not history or criket match .

it needs highest brain power with blessing of devine ,we cannot manufacture best astrologers .

only 25% only guru can giv u ,(the rest is ur effort ),25% from ur environment ,another 25%from frnds and ppls .another 25%from maturity) -so finaly u r perfecting u ( here also see the support of society around u in important and that was the main discussion -whther astrologer shud be paid or kicked in his head after squizing a reading .

The old generation astrologers was learning by rut and any moment they will recite both hora s ( parasari or varaha or yavana texxts ) and other prashna classics from memory ( krishniyam .madhaveeyam ,dasadhyayi and prashna marga also may be prashna tantra and other laghu parasari or madhya parashari like classical texts ) .u me or no body in todays english knowing generation( who eat english, sleep english and dream english ) go tru that gurukula system except some astrologers still in villages ( as it need may be 20 yrs from the age 5 or 7 after upanayana (sacred tread) ceremonies ) .And they hav the advantage of gr8 experienced gurus than looking for soft copies in net of todays generation( as its free )

I am neither student or relativ of sri K N rao .But pls dont bring guru bashing here as i respect him and so is many ( also i dont know who r those 2 giv those predictions )

Hope u under stand >

So let us go back to astrology .

regrds sunil nair

om shreem maha laxmai namah.

, "Souvik Dutta" <explore_vulcan wrote:>> Dear Sreenadh-ji,> > I agree with you 100%. No, not view them as super-humans but view > them as normal humans.> > If you remember the first thing we learnt when we started studing > history in schools was "Why study history?"> The answer was something on the lines of "We study history so that we > learn from our past mistakes".> > Why can't we apply that to astrology too?> > If we know what went wrong, we will be careful the next time it > occurs so that we dont make the same mistakes.> > Shouldn't be that difficult right?> > Thanks> > Souvik> , "Sreenadh" > sreesog@ wrote:> >> > Dear Souvik ji,> > Of course many of their predictions fail. But the fact remains > that> > to evaluate the reliability or non-reliability or capabilities of > some> > very good Kerela astrologers, you should have first hand experience> > about them. Why don't plan a trip to kerala, get some Deva prasna > video> > filmed, listen to some Prashna which was usually attended by more > than> > 500 to 1500 people?> > I know that the prediction you are mentioning is of KN Rao - > what> > wonder is there if some of his predictions fail? I know that every > good> > astrologer will make many good predictions and would miserably fail > in> > some others; that is quite usual as they too are normal human > beings -> > but some who dedicated their life for the study of astrology. Just > like> > doctors who may cure or fail in judging the disease of a patient> > (because of his knowledge limitations, circumstances, medicines > used and> > so on) the astrologer is also sure to fail in many instances - no > wonder> > in it. What should be valued is one's own sincerity to this subject > and> > knowledge he acquired which helps him to arrive at many right> > conclusions at many instances and the ability to reveal facts > unknown> > even to the people who interact with it regularly.> > Instead of viewing even capable astrologers as super human > being -> > we should try to know and understand them as normal human beings > with> > dedication and sincerely and a good guru parampara.> > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> > , "Souvik Dutta"> > <explore_vulcan@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear member,> > >> > > I donot intend to sound like a skeptic but I see an issue with > most> > > coverages about astrologers.> > >> > > The issue is alomost all of them appear to be as advertisements.> > >> > > It appears that none of the predictions the individual made ever> > > failed.> > >> > > Thats not true at all. Although it might have economic setbacks > for> > > the astrologer, it does in the long run establish his > credibilities.> > >> > > As example: Two very famous Indian astrologers predicted that the> > > present Indian government would not complete its full-term and > that> > > after 2.5 years, mid-way in its term, the present government would> > > fail.> > >> > > These two individuals didn't say it in private, one of them went > far> > > enough to put it in audio and upload it on a webpage and the other> > > published it on his website.> > >> > > Now this prediction failed so miserably (and is still failing) > that I> > > inquired from one of them (respectfully) where he might have went> > > wrong in his analysis so that the community might learn from the> > > mistakes.> > >> > > Silence is what I received in response.> > >> > > If we donot record our failures and dont talk equally about it as > we> > > talk about our success, we are cheating others and our selves.> > >> > > I am not expecting roaring Sun-like honesty like Gandhi who has > the> > > courage to talk about his desires for his wife when his father > was in> > > his death-bed. Ordinary men donot have the courage to face truth > even> > > to themselves with such bare nakedness.> > >> > > However, just admitting to the fact that one is not perfect and > that> > > one has made mistakes in his/her predictions is the least expected> > > from an honest astrologer.> > >> > > Regards,> > >> > > Souvik> > >> > > , "sunil nair"> > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > hare rama krishna.> > > >> > > > i am sending an a non astro mail tho it may interst to some> > > one .Here> > > > its a news paper report abt one of the leading astrologer from> > > kerala.I> > > > think the breed of astrologers from kerala is pet of IT ( > income tax> > > > dept also ) as some astrologer was raided with 5 crore ruppees> > > > unaccounted money .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > ieGod's own gods> > > > Thursday July 27 2006 16:44 IST> > > >> > > > Manoj K Das> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Parappanangadi Unnikrishnan> > > >> > > > He promises the kingdom to the beggar, riches to the pauper,> > > knowledge> > > > to the fool, beauty to the ugly, or any unimaginable > possibility to> > > the> > > > most undeserving person.> > > >> > > > Simply whisper the date, place and time of birth and watch with > awe> > > how> > > > a constellation of cowries dances to his intuition to recreate > the> > > past,> > > > present and future on a wooden plank even as you join him for a> > > > walk-the-talk about yourself.> > > >> > > > This is Mr Astrologer from Kerala, the interface between the> > > earthly and> > > > the celestial, playing the dual role of rearview mirror and > halogen> > > > headlamps. Surfing on a sea of affluence, his penury is a > chapter in> > > > past tense. His present is among the opulent elite: a tantric> > > > jet-setting between the world capitals keeping track of planets > on a> > > > wi-fi laptop. And whenever in transit in Kerala, he hops from > one TV> > > > station to the other, predicting your day, week, month and year.> > > >> > > > He is the corporate troubleshooter too; preaching business > solutions> > > > that IIMs can't teach.> > > >> > > > Meet Parappanagadi Unnikrishnan, astrology's most successful> > > > ambassador, official adviser to the Government of Sri Lanka,> > > consultant> > > > to Condoleezza Rice and Bill Clinton, friend of Embekki, Finance> > > > Minister of Uganda: You need a 5GB hard disk to store the list > of> > > his> > > > international contacts alone. .> > > >> > > > "Like other youngsters of my community, the basic lessons were> > > > taught by my father Narayana Panicker and I joined my uncle > Kumara> > > > Panicker in Coimbatore for further research," he says about his> > > > association with Tamil Nadu, the land that catapulted him to > fame.> > > > "It all began with an ashtamangala prasnam at the Sri Rama > temple,> > > > Vellore, in which I could read that eight temples that once > existed> > > in> > > > its neighbourhood were lying under layers of soil. Excavations> > > proved> > > > this true and they were renovated. Since then thousands consult > me> > > from> > > > Tamil Nadu."> > > >> > > > Unnikrishna Panicker soon crossed the shores of Tamil Nadu to> > > advise Sri> > > > Lanka on war, crossed the pacific to reach US before travelling > to> > > other> > > > developed nations. For obvious reasons, he refuses to divulge> > > details of> > > > his connections with nations and world leaders. Every > astrologer has> > > > similar stories. But not many have mastered the art of > translating> > > > success into riches.> > > >> > > > There's a flip side to this coin. "For astrologers like> > > > Soolapani Varier, money is the last of the priorities. They live> > > like> > > > hermits, never bothering to corner a space in public eye. But > their> > > > generation is facing extinction," points out Vimala.> > > >> > > > True, especially when analysed against the backdrop of channel-> > > hogging> > > > astrologers enjoying a rating equivalent to prime time soaps.> > > Starting> > > > from Attukal Radhakrishnan, who first occupied this niche, all> > > channels> > > > boast resident astrologers. The programme is today a phone-in > slot> > > where> > > > solutions are given live. Apart from Attukal Radhakrishnan's> > > > Anantham Ajnatham, Asianet also features Kanipayoor > Namoothiripad in> > > > their morning show Suprabhatham. "Earlier, I used to go to their> > > > studio for the shoot. But now I beam it from my house," > Kanipayoor> > > > told The New Sunday Express. Surya channel competes with > Rasichakram> > > > chaired by Sreekumar.> > > >> > > > Astrologers like Alur Unnikrishna Panicker are happy writing> > > horoscopes> > > > of rivers and forests out of academic interest. Alur first > wrote the> > > > horoscope of Bharathapuzha, the vanishing lifeline of Kerala. He> > > > predicted that the river's slow death will begin in the > sixties. And> > > > four decades later, Kerala painfully acknowledges his > credibility as> > > > they watch the river gasping for breath.> > > >> > > > "Credibility of Kerala astrologers was never in question.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > regrds sunil nair> > > >> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > , "Sreenadh"> > > > <sreesog@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Chiranjiv ji,> > > > > It is alone in Kerala that astrologers are not that poor and > live> > > a> > > > > moderate good life - because free reading beggars are so few> > > there;> > > > and> > > > > for certain every client pays at least 50 to 100 Rupees. The > good> > > > > astrologers going for Tamboola prasna or Deva prasa gets paid> > > > > accordingly (based on their knowledge and reputation) from > 2000 to> > > > 20000> > > > > for a day. Even if he is a normal astrologer is not > knowledgeable> > > > enough> > > > > to handle a Deva prashna (Temple prashna), then too at least > 10> > > people> > > > > would be visiting him per day providing an income of at leat > 500> > > to> > > > 1000> > > > > rupees a day.> > > > > But it is the stingy free reading beggars, that degraded> > > astrology to> > > > > 'Daridra vidya' in their view (actually the hell they > created) -> > > but> > > > in> > > > > Kerala astrology is NOT a Daridra vidya but a reputed one - > yes,> > > but> > > > may> > > > > not be as reputed as modern day professions such as IT, > Doctor and> > > > > Engineer - the mania of the parents.> > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > Sreenadh> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > <Chiranjeev Mehta wrote....>> > > > > Re: Astrology_Practising> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sreeramji,> > > > >> > > > > It was not Baqayaji but I who said it. He was just negating > it.> > > Yes I> > > > > have heard it from many astrologers themselves., I think it > goes> > > like> > > > > this : Godess laksmiji cursed all brahmins that they would > remain> > > > berfet> > > > > of great wealth because Sage Bhrigu ( I think) had kicked Lord> > > Vishnu> > > > > because of a percieved insult, when the lord was asleep and > did> > > not> > > > get> > > > > up to recieve him.> > > > >> > > > > In these "professional days" the curse is not limited only to > a> > > > > community but those who practise their trade.> > > > >> > > > > As told by a brahmin himself to me.> > > > >> > > > > --- On Sat, 12/1/08, sreeram srinivas sreeram64@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > sreeram srinivas sreeram64@> > > > > Re: Astrology_Practising> > > > > > > > > > Saturday, 12 January, 2008, 4:07 PM> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Baqayaji,> > > > >> > > > > Good to know that you are a practising astro with 25+ yrs> > > > > experience.> > > > > Can you tell me the logic of selectively applying > the "Daridra"> > > > > curse to> > > > > those professionals only ??? Can you explain why Late Sri C.S.> > > Patel> > > > > or Late Sri P.S. Sastri inspite of them being seldome > involved in> > > > > any> > > > > "professional astrology" in any manner during their entire > life> > > > > time.....also happens to be the biggest contributors to modern> > > > > astrology> > > > > ??> > > > >> > > > > From when in the history that this great super science i.e. > Divine> > > > > Science started becoming a "Daridra Vidya" ?? In which > Puranas is> > > it> > > > > written ?? It would be interesting to know about this "missing> > > > > pieces> > > > > of knowledge" from learned members..... !!!> > > > >> > > > > Would appreciate anyone who can throw light on this.....> > > > >> > > > > With regards> > > > >> > > > > Sreeram_Srinivas> > > > >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Rup > Krishen> > > > > Baqaya"> > > > > rkbaqaya@ .> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > My dear friend, I have studied astrology for 25 years now,but > by> > > no> > > > > standards i can be called daridra.I know of many many very > well to> > > > > do> > > > > ppl> > > > > who study astrology.In my opinion the curse if any applies to > ppl> > > > > who> > > > > practice astrology in a professional way and not to ppl who > merely> > > > > study> > > > > it. RK> > > > >> > > > > On Jan 12, 2008 2:24 PM, chiranjiv mehta vchiranjiv@ .. wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > Yes Nairji is true in some of his observations, examples.> > > Astrology> > > > > is a> > > > > "Daridra Vidya". It reduces wealth. That is due to a curse> > > according> > > > > to> > > > > our> > > > > texts by Mata Laxmi ( I think).> > > > >> > > > > Such childish remarks "is astrology a figment of imagination > etc"> > > > > was> > > > > going to invoke unnecessary arguments and waste of time.That > is> > > the> > > > > reason> > > > > why I had written the first mail. People want definative > results -> > > > > like> > > > > a> > > > > T.V. remote. They do not understand that even our gods took > birth> > > to> > > > > rectify any wrongs. They did not reach for the remote like we > do.> > > As> > > > > for> > > > > disbelief in astrology : you can continue to work > irrespective of> > > > > bad/good> > > > > times irrespective of fate helping you or no and god does > reward> > > > > such a> > > > > karmayogi, however that does not mean astrology does not > exist.> > > When> > > > > you> > > > > undergo some trials & tribulations - that is the time you can> > > decide> > > > > and> > > > > exclaim whatever you want.> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

January 14, 2008

Dear Members,

I appreciate & accept what Mr. Sunil Nair has mentioned in his post on this topic, further, it is good even in the current modern days, Astrology has still survived in South India, particularly in Kerala, where before giving any prediction, the astrologer has to recall the relevant sanskrit original sloka {original=the one that is taught to him by his gurus}. This practise has ensured the predictions are NOT made by some DIVINE visions....as some self styled visionary & Guru revels in a forum { actually they could be illusions}.

In my offline discussions with Mr. Sunil Nair, on the case of "Guy_Gay" issue, wherein I have predicted that the native would go free or released and would be back to his trade....., got the feedback from the member who gave that case data to me, that the native got free from the police case with 3-4 days behind bars, back to his normal duties....!!!....Mr. Sunil Nair did NOT spare me !! and repeatedly asked for basis of the prediction.....{Kerala Style - being a Nair himself...suspect he is trained or has some knowledge of the Kerala ancient martial arts.....}

Sreenadh has good collection & memory of slokas, so expect to benefit from them.....

With regards,

Sreeram_Srinivas

January 14, 2008

Dear Souvik ji, There is only very few number of people who learn from past mistakes. We cannot correct all others - but we can correct ourselves. So better we should try to correct ourselves; and learn from our own mistakes. Love and regards,Sreenadh

January 15, 2008

Dear Souvik ji, There is lot of truth in what you have stated. Thanks for sharing your point of view. Regards, KrishnaSouvik Dutta <explore_vulcan wrote: Dear Sreeram-ji,I humbly disagree with this statement:"To me, one has right to comment on others failed predictions only whenyou yourself have crossed a satisfactory record of success....and it canbe compared with that of those on whom you want to

comment....tillthen....silence is better......"When you curse the Indian cricket team for match they ill-played, I am sure you don't regard yourself as capable in cricket as some of the players.When you criticise the Chief Minister or the Prime Minister for some major decisions taken, I am sure you wouldn't consider yourself qualified to run the state or the country.Whenever you comment on bad acting by a famous actor, you don't consider playing his role in the film.So, why a separate rule for prominent astrologers?Anyway, this was never my point. Rather I wanted to learn the method in which the incorrect predictions were made so that we could learn the faults in the method and evolve better as a community of astrologers.Student always,Souvik , "sreeram

srinivas" <sreeram64 wrote:>> > Dear Members,> > Like in world there are group of Optimistics & Pessimists....then we> also have those sitting on the wall....not knowing which side to> jump....> > This reminds of a Budhist parable, where two monks on their way had to> cross a bridge...and a beautiful young lady....unable to cross on her> for fear or ..etc..reason...so the monk helps her to cross...by lifting> her into his arm....contrary to the Budhists restrictions.....having> successfully crossed...and a week passed.....yet the second monk is lost> in that incident...that the rule is broken...monk touching a young> beautiful lady...sanctity is lost..etc....later only to be remarked by> the Guruji or the first monk himself..the he left the lady at the bridge> itself...while the second

monk is still carrying her ...in his> imagination...> > So a few predictions going wrong.... by Sri K.N. Rao in his long career> as a Professional is nothing in contrast to what he successfully> foretold.....see the brighter side of the subject.....not the darker> side...unless you are doing a risk analysis.....there is no play of life> here....> > Further, Sri K.N. Rao has been honest with his prediction....even if> wrong....he admitted....first get your basics right ....then think over> what others have said and what they have learnt from that> mistakes...rather than brooding over other's failed> predictions......i.e. counting numbers.....> > Give me any other recordable & sincere instances where people have been> successful w.r.t. to Sri Rao....further he has excellent record> keeping.....>

> To me, one has right to comment on others failed predictions only when> you yourself have crossed a satisfactory record of success....and it can> be compared with that of those on whom you want to comment....till> then....silence is better......> > With regards,> > Sreeram_Srinivas>

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