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My dear friend, I have studied astrology for 25 years now,but by no standards i can be called daridra.I know of many many very well to do ppl who study astrology.In my opinion the curse if any applies to ppl who practice astrology in a professional way and not to ppl who merely study it. RK

On Jan 12, 2008 2:24 PM, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Yes Nairji is true in some of his observations, examples. Astrology is a " Daridra Vidya " . It reduces wealth. That is due to a curse according to our texts by Mata Laxmi ( I think).

Such childish remarks " is astrology a figment of imagination etc " was going to invoke unnecessary arguments and waste of time.That is the reason why I had written the first mail. People want definative results - like a T.V. remote. They do not understand that even our gods took birth to rectify any wrongs. They did not reach for the remote like we do. As for disbelief in astrology : you can continue to work irrespective of bad/good times irrespective of fate helping you or no and god does reward such a karmayogi, however that does not mean astrology does not exist. When you undergo some trials & tribulations - that is the time you can decide and exclaim whatever you want. --- On Sat, 12/1/08, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala wrote:

sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala Re: Quiz - Oh! Friends! Is it true?!!!

Date: Saturday, 12 January, 2008, 4:51 AM

 

 

 

 

 

Hare ramakrishna,

dear jagdish .

 

Its u realy made me reay laugh .

As i know why all this transformations happening .

 

As usual u must hav come to this astro grps for getting free predictions when u were facing some problems and must got advise from so many neo astrologers and so called astrologers and many of the predictions might hav gone off the mark or their prediction were not wat u wanted to hear .Then u stayed back in grps unlike others who signs off immediately after getting a free reading .Also Ur kind of persons wanted to get read their chart again and again or to be discussed .or will be looking for some discussion conncted to u r chart happening and then jumping on spot with my chart has this and that .And then subsequent feed back of lies and false claims and self prasing and boasting and may be even if the reading is correct then abuse the astrologers for saving ur skin .

 

 

I remeber in this grp itself when one astrologer commented abt one chart abt bad married life and relationship with woman ,actualy he presented this chart as if a known frnds chart ( actualy it was his chart and his wife has gone back to her house within months of marriage and that is the reason of his dasavatar in the jyothish grps ) He started claiming this nativ has very beautiful and willing relation with evn with 100s ladies of foreign origin ( its all paid prostitutes ) and he has great and thunderous lov and sex life and what ever u r saying is wrong and then that astrologer even stopped writing in all forums .( i know personly this astrologer and the fellow who jumped at first opportunity to get free reading )

 

How come india has produced so many such spiritual indians who make sure that their gurus will die of hunger and desperation .Here i remeber the great C S Patel died in his old age without proper money and care because of financial problems ,It will happen only in spiritual india and i remeber one american who just translated yavana hora got 4 crores indian ruppes on sponsorship from some organisation in US and his guru and guide who piloted this project suicided in varanasi ( no body knows why he travelled all the way to varanasi ) because he was very succesful financialy and was caring his wife and family wel .And left behind a gr8 sum of financial problems to his family to solve .

 

 

( this is fate of free astrology most popularised by all crumpling vedic astrology grps except this grp ,KAS and KP and one Lal kitab grp were they strictly discuss only their theoreys and even u cant find this free dom their even to make any out of context commends .anything except discussion will be moderated and deleted.In free grps U can find in memeber ship may 7000 or 8000 on home page but in actual not even 100 ppl will be even reading the mails .And no serious discussion ther and only this confusing predictions ,each will say and contradict each other and the free seeker dont know which one to take as he dont hav time to look for who is best and who is worst .And some ppl will join 100s of grps at a time and ask this question every where ,so will end up with 500 contradicting replys and finaly he himself will lose track who said what )

And the worst thing is even if some prediction fulfilled no feed back ,so the astrologer has no way benefitting .except some one will say ur prediction not fulfilled ,where as out of 100 may be 70 percent of his prediction s may be fulfilled .So as a dutiful man get abused again .

 

 

Now those who say astrology will able to see only generic things .But think when ppl cannot take any decisions their own and they dont know what is ahead and they r at cross roads ,dont know which direction to take ,then only they approach astrologer ,when some is happy and triving i never find any one approaching in modern days ,even to fix a muhurtha excpt marriage or house building .When every hope is lost only anybody is coming to astrologers .

 

 

even i think i find u were pointing towards ur attacks with respected bhaskar ji ( ur favrite of one time ) ,i dont know what mistake he did ,except he does lot of free reading without caring his own families needs .Tho by birth he is as rich as who can buy 10 jagdhish tuppads .

 

 

even i find u also trying ur hand on some charts ( if my memory is correct ) .what was ur knowledge in astrology to do this devine science and now u find joke with basic discussions .here what was happening ,its simply a discussion on 2nd lord in 2nd .it was not reading of any ones chart specificaly .here some ppl start taking as opportunity to get their chart read and y u dont see this and that if that astrologer can see it .why cant u see it .And here u must accept defeat and things like that .Was any reading of charts done here ??

 

Then how a reserch work can be done on the basis of astrology ,which is already hidden and lost .How can we check whether this so called manglik dosh is happening or not and when what context .what i thought was publik will apreciate such moves and they will support with max chart and max feed backs .Here ppl with young age and many of the charts significations may be yet to fully blossom in coming years .and many forget that this to fruitify a dasa also connected to those significations recquired ,and it can also happen in worst transits ,if the finding was bad .Also in chart itself so many bhanga yogas may be there .

 

 

Here some r behaving like those blind men see the elephant .And this kind of ppl thinks they can make fun of any body who is trying to do some servise .As they know only selfish ness from head to toe .All wanted to ask free questions and by sitting at their comforts and even if they make a miss cal its duty of astrologer to call back and giv a free reading .How come our indian s become this much spiritual .To make sure that those who practise or follow this noble indian scinces shud be humilaited .

 

But nothing to say when millions of ruppees were spent on election surveys and went wrong ,weather forcast went wrong on same day ( and governemnt is spending billions of ruppes and has a dept for it ) ,same with so called economists ,and also market pundits and comapny advisers and economic advisers .But any body can hit on astrologers or astro lovers as if its a drum discared in street .

 

 

The clear signal is that --u r assessed on what u made as wealth or what r u making in currency exchange and but they think themselves - see us with our peanut brains we r making millions of ruppes ,see how smart we r .u fools look at urself .

 

 

So this worlds greatest intellectual profession is being judged this way as its available free .As many gurus go down to the levl of normal ppl than making an air of dignity for themselves .And this free is producing thankless reactions .As they dont contribute any thing ,Here i respect osho s words who was against giving anything free ,he used to say if u dont hav ur hard earned money ,u work in kitchen and gets ur due .

 

 

Labda vidhye guru dweshi ( the thankless and evil ppl will abuse gurus after getting vidhya )

Labhda bharyestu mataram ( such ppl after getting a beutiful wife will abuse his own mother )

Labhda putra pathim nari : ( such ladies after getting a good son will abuse their husbands )

labhdaste aryogya chikilsakam ( such ppl will abuse the physician after himself getting into full health after a free treatment ) .

This is bartha hari in neeti saram said -may be 1000s of years back .So in this era nothing surprising .

PS

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( thankless ppl will hav there 9th lord in 8th ,or will be debilated ,or afflicted ,along with may be jupiter afflicted and ill placed and also 2nd lord( as to speak lies and bad things ) also in some of the hidden rasis or will be afflicted ) and they end up finaly unlucky .since 9th lord is also dharma they will abuse dharam and dharmik things .) So pls check any thing of this sort is in ur chart .Also check if ur dasa any way connected with 9th house ,if so u r inviting also wrath of rishis .As some un burned karma u r activating .Finaly 9th house is deciding our bahgya ) such ppl better stay clear away from even reading or practising astrology .

 

 

Now u can continue with ur mission and i hav all my support with u .

Sorry if i hurt u or become personal .

 

regrs sunil nair

 

om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

 

 

ancient_indian_ astrology, Prathamesn Chawan <upaoakcrest@ ...> wrote:>> thats great... if my mail can make you laugh...> > he he he> > Jagdish

> > vinita kumar shankar_mamta@ ... wrote:> Oh dear, i had such a good laugh reading this message > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Prathamesn Chawan > upaoakcrest@ wrote:

> >> > " If 2nd lord is in 2nd house, the native would be egotic. > > > > Jagdish: I am egotic. But who is not egotic in this world ? If > you dont have ego then you are a saint.

> > > > > > > > He may have affairs or near marriage relations, or may have more > than one family (very close friendly relationship with another > family as if both are one). > > > > Jagdish: Well.. now a days

almost everyone has more than > one " near marriage relations. " I also had.> > > > He may not have any son, but may have daughters – provided other > yogas also indicate the same. > > > > Jagdish: yet to fructify.> > > > > > He would be wealthy, will indulge in righteous deeds. > > > > Jagdish: What is the definition of wealth ? I get food to eat, > bed to sleep, dress to wear, and car to drive. I can spend money on > movie theater, clubs, friends, eating-out and other such kind of fun > activities. Well, i dont have a BMW, Mercedes or a Helicopter or > private jet.> > > > > > He will enjoy much worldly pleasures. > > > > Jagdish: Oh well, i am enjoying as you can see from above > statement.> >

> > He will have much income/earnings/ gain/profit

but would be > stingy. > > > > Jagdish: Sometimes i feel that i am stingy. But sometimes other > way round.> > > > He will always try to increase his earnings, and would be after > accumulating more and more money. > > > > Jagdish: Who does not want to increase his earning and would > not be after accumulating more and more money ? The above statement > is so perfect for me. > > > > He would be a very able individual (in work, earnings, speech > etc). > > > > Jagdish: I am able in doing my stuff. Earnings depends on job > profile. Speech is ok. I can talk to people and can easily convey my > message to them.> > > > > > WOW......... .... i satisfy so many criteria for 2nd lord in > 2nd... and I dont have second lord in 2nd...> > > > >

> These criterias are so so so so so " Common-Human- Tendencies. " > > > > Please prove me wrong...> > > > > > Thanks> > > > Jagdish> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:> > <>Dear Rashmi ji,> > You got the whole point and purpose of the exersise wrong. > Did you read this post? > http://groups. / group/ancient_ indian_astrology /message/ 6360> > I was simply driving home the point that - Parasara and Lomasa > mentioned the results 'many wives' and 'no son', but later day > scholars such as Meenaraja, Nrisimha (Jataka Saradeepa) and > Balabhadra (Hora Ratna) disagreed with him only on these two points > while discussing the same. This is what I wanted to show, with real > examples and clearly helping all

to realize why it happened - but > alas we don't have enough patience always! And we want to see the > total in the first instance itself (without exercising our own > brain), and then blame the people (the sages and scholars) who put > real effort in understanding various combinations - ya, without > even knowing that 'if we can't see the small picture clear, then > there is not even a ray of hope that the total picture will become > visible to us'!!! Yes, this is really the current condition of so > called modern day 'astrological truth seekers'!! > > Why all even fails to notice even the title of the thread?!!! > It reads " Oh! Friends! Is it true?!! " - If I believed that it is > true to 100% then what was the use of such a title?!! > > From the above mail, here is the final reading I presented for > the understanding of everyone and for future reference.

> > " If 2nd lord is in 2nd house, the native would be egotic. He may > have affairs or near marriage relations, or may have more than one > family (very close friendly relationship with another family as if > both are one). He may not have any son, but may have daughters – > provided other yogas also indicate the same. He would be wealthy, > will indulge in righteous deeds. He will enjoy much worldly

> pleasures. He will have much income/earnings/ gain/profit but would > be stingy. He will always try to increase his earnings, and would be > after accumulating more and more money. He would be a very able > individual (in work, earnings, speech etc). Meenaraja omits the > results `many wives' and `no son' given by Parasara and Lomasa. This > is a true guidance to us indicating that those two said results may > not actualize in some horoscopes for the said

combination - so be a > bit cautious about those two derivations, and speak them out only if > other combinations also support the same. " > > > > Yes, this kind of impatience and unsystematic approach is what > makes me frustrated in detailed discussions; If the same amount of > effort and patience is not coming from the other side - what is the > use with this nonsense exercises? I am forced to talk more than what > I should - that too, without purpose and usefulness! There is a > saying 'slow and study wins the raise' - in astrological study and > research too the same is true. Hope this helps. We are not among > the thousand groups, who have ready made solutions for everything - > but instead we have no solutions for anything - and there is no > capsules available here. This would be the point I would like to > make. > > Concerning I am

going wrong - simply understand it as a fact > that - it is always a possibility and I am no authority. What (as > always) I am trying to do is presenting the views of the sages - > with possible explanations and verifying it in public from the group > responses. And what is the benefit? The benefit itself is what > you have seen - the misunderstanding regarding those quotes gets > cleared and we learn to what extend we should give weightage to each > of the numerous derivations they provide. > > Hope this helps.> > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> > ancient_indian_ astrology, rashmi patel > <rashmihpatel@> wrote:

> > >> > > Dear Sreenadh-ji,> > > here i read that Mr Ashji, is asking why i have only male > child?/ you know i didnt told you this> > > that infact i need a

daughter & when my wife was pregnant 3rd > time we only need daughter since> > > we had 2 sons but when we had checked reports again it was male > & so i was not my dicesion but my

> > > wife didnt wont son so she had aborted, i had a big issue in my > family for abortion & yes i still feel> > > guilty foe wrong doing i think god will punish me for this even > though it isnt my fault i am already ready

> > > thinking during my sani [sade sati] time. anyway people says my > horoscope is good, very good, i may dont have any complain for life > or family.> > > Let me tell when i was 19 yrs first in life a family friends his > friend just wonted to check my kundali> > > i showned him & at that time i predicted that my kundali is > strong good at that time he said that i will only get sons & no >

daughter,my wife will be from abroad[usa]will be pretty looking,i > will sufer from pyles & i was laughing for that & trust me belive me > i sufered from pyles after 6 months, not now> > > so after i sufered i went for more detail & he said i will > seteled in western world [usa]will be in public> > > relation business yes[hotel] & several others like any thing > grows through sun & yes[grocery store]> > > as time went on all that he predicted at 17 yrs came TRUE i mean > in all facters now this all things are> > > open in my small village in india everyone knows this trust me > honest god i am not lieing. ok> > > he even told me i will do donations religiously built temple > recently[ganesh] so every thing so far had> > > come true ok> > > your 2nd on 2nd really didnt applied??/ why ?? & why

at age of > 19 this other guy predicted sons only> > > i mean what did he saw that you didnt see??? specially for my > kundali, my detail are as> > > [12 may 1957,] /[ 04;25 am]/[ aden[yemen] /[3hrsgmt] 12n45,45e12 > long/lati> > > please if you are studying charts sreenadhji pls find out what > you or do you see other facters which my> > > kundali is right now going on,pls check it & tell me do you > agree with my kundali??> > > sreendhji i am sorry for lengthy writings. but pls let me know > ok thanks> > > rashmikant patel> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Ash's Corner@ " kas@> > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > Wednesday,

January 9, 2008 9:56:34 PM> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] RE: Quiz - Oh! Friends! Is > it true?!!!> > > > > > Dear Sreenadh,> > > > > > You have talked about blind charts. I would like to give my > opinion here.> > > Your idea is good, but to reach that stage u must first get the > laws.> > > > > > Trying to solve blind charts, first, might be like trying to

> give a driving test before learning driving.> > > > > > So, for example, say u took 2nd lord in 2nd house as 1 law. U > quoted so many texts. Let us first get the proper law. Get all the > contras, or bhangas. Find out under what circumstance might give > male child as in came of Rashmi Patel. > > > > > > Once you do that, take 20 charts to 100 charts from members and > see all

points are covered.> > > > > > Then u can do a blind chart to see if that technique holds.> > > > > > Otherwise, what are u testing? > > > > > > If you had tested your 2nd lord in 2nd house theory based on the > text u have printed, honestly how many points you would have got. > > > > > > You should find out the entire law of 2nd lord in 2nd house > first is my opinion. Study it from all angles and then do a blind > chart focusing on the law.> > > > > > In the mean time collect some charts that have perfect time > recorded to test the laws.> > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!!> > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro. ca> > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

[ > ancient_indian_ astrology ] On Behalf Of Sreenadh> > > Wednesday January 9, 2008 10:58 AM> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Quiz - Oh! Friends! Is > it true?!!!> > > > > > Dear Remesh Mishra ji,> > > That was a beautiful mail, matured, presenting many valuable > points. > > > ==>> > > > We are all intend to learn astrology with the help of > different methodology but our > > > > main aim is to hit the bull of the target. If it is missed > then we have missed the correct aim.> > > <==> > > I agree to those points 100% and feel that any down to earth > practical astrologer will do the /same. If not we cannot arrive at > results that fructify with an

accuracy of at least 7/10 points what > is the use of efforts put into understanding this subject at all! As > Krishneeyam puts 'Astrology is for predicting the correct results, > therefore by all means the astrologers should try to arrive at the > correct derivation' - Yes, this is what important and not the > various methodologies/ approaches. What ever the methodology applied > be, if it helps us to arrive at the correct result, that methodology > should be appreciated; and such guidance should be appreciated. > > > ==>> > > > It is good to churn the ocean of astrology with the hope of > aiming the correct target.

> > > > We should not take or rather feel other way while discussion. > > > > With discussion only we may take out something valuables from > the ocean .> > > <==> > > Yes. I hope , you

will agree that is what we are all doing here. > > > ==>> > > > we should not accept any method blindly. This is the duty of > forum members to prove it with> > > > suitable derivations irrespective of methodology.

> > > <==> > > Right you said. > > > ==>> > > > For this purpose Sreenadh ji and all members take a known > chart and try to justify the event> > > > taking help of dictum of ancient sages.

> > > <==> > > You have a point - and you may have noted that with blind chart > reading and other such readings we are doing it occasionally or may > be rather frequently. But you should note that unlike other groups > the approach followed by this group is entirely different - here the > lessons from sage horas are discussed first, and then the same gets >

verified or negated by the responses of the group members based on > known charts - and the whole exercise helps us to learn better. > There is no teacher in this group, but only students - me too. I > don't think that the group should change its approach, because this > is a decision and approach decided while forming this group itself > and is still followed and has given this much fruitful results - so > the approach will remain the same - with occasional oscillations. > > > ==>> > > > These books written by sages during their dates were > translated in different languages according to their own > understanding.> > > > Books, during their days, were written in Devnagari Samskrit > and the originals are either mutilated or lost.> > > <==> > > But please note that enough material is available to us from >

those lost Rishi horas which CAN help us to reconstruct this subject > as per their own understanding - and as the home page states this > group is preciously to achieve the same; and depends mainly on Rishi > horas - and try to see things based on the path shown to us by them. > That is why the group name itself is 'ancient' indian astrology, and > that is why the same is stated in the home page of the group > itself. 'Reconstruction of this ancient branch of knowledge as it is > visualized by the sages' remains the ultimate aim of the group, even > though any alternative methodologies to approach the subject of > astrology are welcome in a friendly manner. The respect for > alternative approaches like KP, KAS, Western astrology, Vedic > Tropical astrology, Lal Kitab, Tajik system, Nadi astrology and > numerous other methedologies is certainly there but still this prime

> focus of the group is in 'AIA' (Ancient> > > indian astrology - the ancient Nirayana system of astrology as > presented by the sages in Rishi Horas). It is the AVAILABILITY of > those quotes that prompted us to concentrate on the same, and > reconstruct the methodology/ approach - as they put it. > > > ==>> > > > Our main idea should be to find out the correct timing after > pinpointing the event.> > > > Generally astrologers fail in timing and it becomes ridiculous > before the public.> > > > Hence astrology gets bad name and astrologer too.> > > <==> > > Right you said - and that can be another major thread. Yes, we > need to come into some solid foundations and approach here, by using > and verifying various methodologies - whether it be Dasa, Transit, > Ashtaka Varga, KP ruling

planets, Nadi system or what ever that be. > We can try with blind charts to pin point the period at which the > event took place - and certainly that would be a nice discussion and > good experience. I request you start a thread on 'timing of event' > based on a chart. I am also much eager to know about various > techniques used by the astrologers and also to know how useful and > to the point they are - AIA too does not have any wonder drug in

> this regard, and it would be beautiful if we encounter any such > method in our quest of astrology. > > > ==>> > > > Lastly let us continue with our topic on 2L in 2H.> > > <==

> > > Ya. And once it is through, then with 2nd house lord in 3rd. > > > Love and regards,> > > Sreenadh> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

, ramesh > mishra <aarceemastro2002@ ...> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear respected all learnades,> > > > It is our good luck that this forum got very nice and

> intelligent scholars like Sreenadhji, Krishnaji, Ash ji, Vinita > ji,Kiran ji and many others.> > > > We are all intend to learn astrology with the help of > different methodology but our main aim is to hit the bull of the > target.> > > > If it is missed then we have missed the correct aim.> > > > It is good to churn the ocean of astrology with the hope of > aiming the correct target.> > > > We should not take or rather feel other way while discussion. > > > > With discussion only we may take out something valuables from > the ocean .> > > > When we say that astrology is science then we should not

> accept any method blindly. This is the duty of forum members to > prove it with suitable derivations irrespective of methodology.> > > > For this purpose Sreenadh ji and all members take a known > chart and try to justify the event taking help of dicturm of ancient > sages.> > > > These books written by sages during their dates were > translated in different languages according to their own > understanding.> > > > Books,during their days, were written in Devnagari Samskrit > and the originals are either mutiliated or lost.> > > > Samskrit is such a language you may interpret two different > ways according to own understandings. Thus it may give two different > meanings which may contradict with other meaning.> > > > So it is now very important for us to find out the correct

> meaning with the help of

discussion taking many many charts and > verify them .> > > > One should not so feel that one method is wrong and another > method is right.> > > > BPHS, Phaldeepika, Maansagari, Samhitas, Laghu Parasari, > Saravali etcetc are backbone of the science and hence our approach > is based on their verses.> > > > > > > > Our main idea should be to find out the correct timing after

> pinpointing the event.> > > > Generally astrologers fail in timing and it becomes ridiculous > before the public.> > > > Hence astrology gets bad name and astrologer too.> > > > Lstly let us continue with our topic on 2L in 2H.

> > > > I am taking the chart of lawyer given by Krishna Ji. He knows > this native very well. If anything goes wrong he may correct us.> > > > The chart has 2nd lord

in 2nd house. 2H indicates Kutumb sthan > (Family), speech, it is dhansthaan, right eye ( I am confused here > with right/left), education in childhood. It is marak sthaan also.> > > > Here Me being exalted and lord of 2nd and 11th house fortify > the house.> > > > Ma joins the Me and has aspect of Ju.> > > > Ma is yogkarak for this chart. Ma is sthir karak of younger > brother. Ma is also badhakesh for this chart.Ma as badhakesh is lord > of father and guru > > > > > > > > Ma is enemy of Me so here Ma will go against Me.> > > > On the other hand fortified Ju lord of 5th and 8th aspects 2nd > from 8th house.

> > > > The person may be endowed with wealth. He may be well affluent > in his speech and talkative. > > > > His relationship with his younger borther may not be friendly.

> He may be eldest among his siblings.> > > > He may not be getting support from his father.> > > > He may suffer from eyesight during Ma dasa.> > > > Is all this correct or incorrect ?

> > > > Thanks and regards.> > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:> > > > Dear Krishna ji and Ash ji,

> > > > ==>> > > > Even just find 1 law that works consistently and that law > should also cover ALL the contras. And put that law up for people to > test. That way even the mis-interpretation might get cleared.

> > > > <==> > > > There is no solutions in one go What we are trying to > arrive at here is a better understanding that too step by step. > Since there is no doctor present here with

neither the 'wonder drug' > for all diseases, nor even a wonder drung for a single disease to > cure all the patiants with a single dose itself in one go - we all > would have to struggle work and find our way out. There is NONE > here to provide us with a wonder drug, a caplsule solution. > Actually I am against any such capsules or its sellers who argue > that they had found any such wonder drug - and u know why. > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology , > Krishnamurthy Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote:> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Ash,> > > > > > > > > > I think you have clearly expressed what I have been thinking > and not expressed clearly when you said the

following:> > > > > > > > > > " I am a very practical person and do not believe in many > law's if they can't be proven practically and consistently when u > take up charts.

> > > > > > > > > > For example, 2nd lord in 2nd house and then u talk of bhanga > yog's. So we need to talk of both things together i.e the dictum and > its contra and then take up charts and then if 80%—90% of them pass > though then we got something good and strong.> > > > > > > > > > Otherwise, it's the same thing that is happening on so many > lists, that when practical charts are taken then all that theory > does not hold any water.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even just find 1 law that works consistently and that law > should also cover ALL the contras.

And put that law up for people to > test. That way even the mis-interpretation might get cleared. " > > > > > > > > > > You have beautifully expressed what I have been thinking. In > fact, that is what I have been following in my research and my write-> ups on diabetes etc. that my could find in my blog. My aim is to hit > at least 80% accuracy. The combinations I have described have given > this kind of result so far.> > > > > > > > > > Looks like our philosophies match, though we are using > different paths.> > > > > > > > > > All the best!

> > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > Krishna> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Ash's Corner@ " kas@ wrote:

> > > > > Dear

Sreenadh,> > > > > > > > > > You have sent an interesting mail. Sometimes such > discussions are so much easier to perform in person or with pen and > paper, but alas for this medium. All we can do is try to explain as > much as possible hoping that the reader is able to grasp what is > being said or understand it. Many a times 2 people are saying the > same thing, but just seeing things in different light. This field is > so vast and there are " n " number of ways / paths to arrive to the > same conclusion. Yes, the way I follow or the path is of KAS system > and therefore I have tried to grasp VA using KAS as the path and all > my explanations are based on that, so its not about argument, but > that is what I know.> > > > > > > > > > Even many laws of VA can be explained as per the path or in > the

language I know which is KAS and I make a conscienceous effort > in not mixing the " KAS terminology " that would confuse the readers > here and try to just talk things logically.> > > > > > > > > > I am a very practical person and do not believe in many > law's if they can't be proven practically and consistently when u > take up charts.> > > > > > > > > > For example, 2nd lord in 2nd house and then u talk of bhanga > yog's. So we need to talk of both things together i.e the dictum and > its contra and then take up charts and then if 80%—90% of them pass > though then we got something good and strong.> > > > > > > > > > You have said, that 4th house is for mother and then at the > same time u have told that its also for maternal relatives. Now if u > go by symmetry of the chart,

which I personally believe in, then if > u take 9th as father then 3rd house becomes mother, the 7th from 9th > house i.e the same logic we say that 1st is SELF and 7th is Spouse > or Partner, if 11th is self earned income then 5th is unearned > income, if 2nd is self earned wealth then 8th is unearned wealth. If > 10th is work then 4th is opposite of that so that is home and > enjoyment.> > > > > > > > > > So if u go by symmetry of chart then either u take 10th as > father and 4th as mother or 9th as father and 3rd as mother. If u > take 9th as father and 4th as mother it will similar to saying that > 1st is SELF and 8th is wife which does not hold the symmetry.

> > > > > > > > > > Now, if u are studying ancient Indian astrology then why > such things have happened? Here there are 2 possibilities that >

either someone mis-interpreted things over time and called 4th house > which infact is DHAN sthan of Mother.> > > > > > > > > > Of in old days, the real wealth of mother was the home and > she might be judged based on that (just try to understand what I am > saying with open mind and the essence), then in due course of time > it might have come to be known as Mother. So u must unearth such > things.> > > > > > > > > > So many books are making reference to other texts. Sanskrit > is complicated. > > > > > > > > > > I will share some things, In my chats with Krushnaji, > Krushnaji explained to me some verses as given and how its meaning > was totally mis-interpreted and somethings which the author could > not make out is just left out. What about that?> > > > >

> > > > > So if u just go by existing texts which are incomplete and > then add a layer of its English translation which is flavoured by > the author and the translators who might not have translated things > properly so many things might have become bungled up over a period > of time.> > > > > > > > > > Just in this case, 2nd lord in 2nd house, I think 3 people > gave their feedback that they did not experience such relations or > multiple relations. So it means that this law directly cannot be > applied. So we also need to know the bhanga as per your approach > means get the FULL picture and then apply on charts and then 80% - > 90% of them must pass the test then we are reaching somewhere.> > > > > > > > > > Otherwise, it's the same thing that is happening on so many > lists, that when

practical charts are taken then all that theory > does not hold any water.> > > > > > > > > > Even just find 1 law that works consistently and that law > should also cover ALL the contras. And put that law up for people to > test. That way even the mis-interpretation might get cleared. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!!> > > > > Ash ->

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[Guest guest]

Dear Baqayaji,

 

Good to know that you are a practising astro with 25+ yrs experience.

Can you tell me the logic of selectively applying the " Daridra " curse to

those professionals only ??? Can you explain why Late Sri C.S. Patel

or Late Sri P.S. Sastri inspite of them being seldome involved in any

" professional astrology " in any manner during their entire life

time.....also happens to be the biggest contributors to modern astrology

??

 

From when in the history that this great super science i.e. Divine

Science started becoming a " Daridra Vidya " ?? In which Puranas is it

written ?? It would be interesting to know about this " missing pieces

of knowledge " from learned members.....!!!

 

Would appreciate anyone who can throw light on this.....

 

With regards

 

Sreeram_Srinivas

 

 

, " Rup Krishen Baqaya "

<rkbaqaya wrote:

 

My dear friend, I have studied astrology for 25 years now,but by no

standards i can be called daridra.I know of many many very well to do

ppl

who study astrology.In my opinion the curse if any applies to ppl who

practice astrology in a professional way and not to ppl who merely

study

it. RK

 

On Jan 12, 2008 2:24 PM, chiranjiv mehta vchiranjiv wrote:

>

Yes Nairji is true in some of his observations, examples. Astrology is a

" Daridra Vidya " . It reduces wealth. That is due to a curse according to

our

texts by Mata Laxmi ( I think).

 

Such childish remarks " is astrology a figment of imagination etc " was

going to invoke unnecessary arguments and waste of time.That is the

reason

why I had written the first mail. People want definative results - like

a

T.V. remote. They do not understand that even our gods took birth to

rectify any wrongs. They did not reach for the remote like we do. As for

disbelief in astrology : you can continue to work irrespective of

bad/good

times irrespective of fate helping you or no and god does reward such a

karmayogi, however that does not mean astrology does not exist. When you

undergo some trials & tribulations - that is the time you can decide and

exclaim whatever you want.

[Guest guest]

Dear Chiranjiv,

 

Kindly get back to that great Panditji, ask him how come

 

1) when in the Puranas that Rishis were practising Astrology ??

 

2) Rishi disturbing the sleep of Lord Vishnu and its relationship with

Astrology ?? {Surely Rishiji has NOT come to ask to clear some doubts on

astrology with Lord Vishnu }

 

3) Every Rishi had some " Professional Achievements or Resume " in our

mythology, then let him share something about this great Sage

Bhrigu......what are his achievements

 

4) Sounds little strange that the Rishiji has bypassed the security

guards at Vaikuntam, who must have already cautioned him that the Lord

Vishnu is taking rest......

 

5) Is that the event happened during Dakshinayanan or Uttarayanan ??

 

6) In the entire 18 puranas...there is NO mention of any community

called " Astrologers " ....

 

Just as we all have some " scientific temper " let us apply this on this

also......

 

With regards,

 

Sreeram_Srinivas

[Guest guest]

Dear Chiranjiv,

 

I have also heard about this.

 

It was Sage Bhrigu who was cursed by Lakshmi-ji.

 

Sage Bhrigu also approached Lord Shiva (as per the myth) in

before he went to see Lord Vishnu and he was chased by angry Shiva.

 

If I remember correctly, Bhrigu did not / could not curse lord Shiva.

 

BTW, there is also similar story in (vernacular) Ramayana. There

the soul of Dasharatha had asked for 'Pinda' from Sita Devi while

Rama was somewhere else in the jungle. Sita Devi did what was

asked and kept few witnesses (River Falgu, Peepal Tree, Brahmin etc.)

 

After Rama came back to the hut, he was surprised to see the Pinda offering.

Sita Devi explained and asked the witnesses to vouch for her. Except Peepal

tree, all other witnesses lied and got cursed.

 

So, a curse on a Brahmana is not so uncommon !

 

 

Regards

 

Chakraborty

chiranjiv mehta [vchiranjiv]Saturday, January 12, 2008 5:03 PM Subject: Re: Re: Astrology_Practising

 

 

 

 

 

 

The curse was on the brahmin community. Since in those days only brahmins had this knowledge; the curse applied to all the duties performed by that community for which they were paid dakshina. We are discussing only astro as it is relevant to this forum. I may have named the Maharishi wrongly. The sage had been deputed by all to find out who of the trinity is worthy to recieve all the offerings offered in the sacrifices. He visits Brahma and is pulled for not sitting in the court as per heirarchy, so he curses that Brahma will not be worshipped at all.....

He kicks lord Vishnu in the Chest thinking that he has not shown courtesy to get up to recieve him, to which the Lord reacts in his (satvik) serene manner and presses the sage's feet saying the kick must have hurt him. The Sage realising his folly falls at Vishnu's feet....he is cursed by Godess Laxmi who unlike the Lord cannot forgive the Sage.

I cannot recollect the sages name.

Thanks & Regards.

--- On Sat, 12/1/08, sreeram srinivas <sreeram64 (AT) sify (DOT) com> wrote:

sreeram srinivas <sreeram64 (AT) sify (DOT) com> Re: Astrology_Practising Date: Saturday, 12 January, 2008, 4:41 PM

 

 

Dear Chiranjiv,Kindly get back to that great Panditji, ask him how come1) when in the Puranas that Rishis were practising Astrology ??2) Rishi disturbing the sleep of Lord Vishnu and its relationship withAstrology ?? {Surely Rishiji has NOT come to ask to clear some doubts onastrology with Lord Vishnu }3) Every Rishi had some "Professional Achievements or Resume" in ourmythology, then let him share something about this great SageBhrigu...... what are his achievements4) Sounds little strange that the Rishiji has bypassed the securityguards at Vaikuntam, who must have already cautioned him that the LordVishnu is taking rest......5) Is that the event happened during Dakshinayanan or Uttarayanan ??6) In the entire 18 puranas...there is NO mention of any communitycalled "Astrologers" ....Just as we all have some "scientific temper" let us apply this on thisalso......With regards,Sreeram_Srinivas

 

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Dear Chiranjiv,

 

Thank you for taking time to respond....in your own way.....appreciate

it...

 

First let me clarify with my " limited knowledge " .......there is no truth

in that story....I have also conversant with puranas & mythologies,

spent good amount of time in meditating on that....

 

Second, the sage you mentioned and being attributed to the story is Sage

Bhrigu Maharishi.....read again - Maha - rishi........he is also Brahma

rishi for being one of the first sages created by Lord Brahma during his

divine creation process.......the title " Brahma-Rishi " is the hightest

title....which is later acquired by Sage Vashisht & fighter Sage

Viswamitra.

 

There are many sub-sub-sub stories....some of them are later

creations......more so for spreading some message across...

 

Going by your original versions,...the word or caste " Brahmins " are by

birth in a specific community........!! because they are the

descendants....so the curse should NOT be effecting the NON-Brahmins who

are the ones practising it most in modern scenario....!!

 

If you really read the scriptures with a open mind, you find that the

classification has been made on the basis of " gunas " ....not on

biological basis.... Read the story of Sage /Brahma Rishi

Viswamitra....who was born kshetriya.... & a king.....later when he

overcomed his " tamasic " gunas......the Goddess herself blessed him with

a special mantra.....known to the current world as " Gayatri

Mantra " .....originated by Brahma Rishi Viswamitra....the most potent

mantra.....

 

Ofcourse, there are many more examples, but for their common/public

knowledge & knowledge limiting myself here.

 

Like in my earliers shared the Mahabharat Draupadi incident,....words &

events got twisted....tomorrow with growing terrorism....some one put

" AK-57 & RDX " in the stories of Puranas also......

 

With regards,

 

Sreeram_Srinivas

[Guest guest]

Dear Chakrabortyji,

 

Agreed that such stories are shared by Panditjis, however, it is

sometimes good to read the scriptures ourselves for they are now

available in Hindi by Gita Press.....and entire set costs Rs. 1,600 or

so....better to read from authentic sources, rather to rely on

" hearsay " .....

 

I have shared my version of the purana in a separate email addressed to

Mr. Chiranjiv....kindly go through it for it may quell some doubts.....

 

With regards,

 

Sreeram_Srinivas

 

 

, " Chakraborty, PL "

<CHAKRABORTYP2 wrote:

 

Dear Chiranjiv,

 

I have also heard about this.

 

It was Sage Bhrigu who was cursed by Lakshmi-ji.

 

Sage Bhrigu also approached Lord Shiva (as per the myth) in

before he went to see Lord Vishnu and he was chased by angry Shiva.

 

If I remember correctly, Bhrigu did not / could not curse lord Shiva.

 

BTW, there is also similar story in (vernacular) Ramayana. There

the soul of Dasharatha had asked for 'Pinda' from Sita Devi while

Rama was somewhere else in the jungle. Sita Devi did what was

asked and kept few witnesses (River Falgu, Peepal Tree, Brahmin etc.)

 

After Rama came back to the hut, he was surprised to see the Pinda

offering.

Sita Devi explained and asked the witnesses to vouch for her. Except

Peepal

tree, all other witnesses lied and got cursed.

 

So, a curse on a Brahmana is not so uncommon !

 

 

Regards

 

Chakraborty

[Guest guest]

Dear Srinivas-ji,

 

Yes, I am aware that I should go thru' the original texts myself.

 

However, my grip on Sanskrit is nil and and on Hindi it is

more of a 'working knowledge'.

 

Whatever I write here is based on some written texts only.

As I never bothered about the author's name in my whole life,

it is difficult for me to cite any specific names. And so I use "heard" -

may be a poor choice of words.

 

I always thought that contents matter much more than who is saying.

 

I know I would collect much rubbish that way - but may be some

gems too someday.

 

With best regards

 

 

Chakraborty

 

 

sreeram srinivas [sreeram64]Saturday, January 12, 2008 6:15 PM Subject: Re: Astrology_Practising

 

Dear Chakrabortyji,Agreed that such stories are shared by Panditjis, however, it issometimes good to read the scriptures ourselves for they are nowavailable in Hindi by Gita Press.....and entire set costs Rs. 1,600 orso....better to read from authentic sources, rather to rely on"hearsay".....I have shared my version of the purana in a separate email addressed toMr. Chiranjiv....kindly go through it for it may quell some doubts.....With regards,Sreeram_Srinivas , "Chakraborty, PL"<CHAKRABORTYP2 wrote:Dear Chiranjiv,I have also heard about this.It was Sage Bhrigu who was cursed by Lakshmi-ji.Sage Bhrigu also approached Lord Shiva (as per the myth) inbefore he went to see Lord Vishnu and he was chased by angry Shiva.If I remember correctly, Bhrigu did not / could not curse lord Shiva.BTW, there is also similar story in (vernacular) Ramayana. Therethe soul of Dasharatha had asked for 'Pinda' from Sita Devi whileRama was somewhere else in the jungle. Sita Devi did what wasasked and kept few witnesses (River Falgu, Peepal Tree, Brahmin etc.)After Rama came back to the hut, he was surprised to see the Pindaoffering.Sita Devi explained and asked the witnesses to vouch for her. ExceptPeepaltree, all other witnesses lied and got cursed.So, a curse on a Brahmana is not so uncommon !RegardsChakrabortyThis Message was sent from Indian Oil Messaging Gateway. The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately and destroy all copies of this message and any attachments.

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Dear Chakrabortyji,

 

It is my view that one should be little choosy in reading books written

by respected authors, for it gives greater clarity. Like wanting to

know anything on Hinduism, I would prefer to read Sri Swami Vivekananda

& Sri Aurobindo Ghosh apart from scriptures themselves. I would suggest

everyone to read Sri Aurobindo's " Foundation of Hindu Civilization " a

voluminuous book, very tersely worded......note the depths he went in

that.....Similarly, apart from Swami Vivekananda's books {complete

works...}, including his original speeches given in Chicago in his own

voice....

 

I get goose bumps as I read, re-read & hear them.....I agree for many of

us Sanskrit is still a " foreign language " ...but someday we need to make

a begining.....I do understand from my other Bengali friends, there is

rich literature in Bengali Language....for being home of many a

saints.....

 

Almost all of us are working and holding responsible jobs, which require

use of discretion in our daily activities.....my line of thinking is to

apply the same discretion even in this hobbies...possibly some thing

good may came out....I have known businessmen starting new profitable

businesses in this way.....

 

Example- When Ambani's met Bill Gates in Mumbai, the meeting was

possible due to wireless communication technology....After the

meeting....Ambanis...till then in Petroleum sector, got enthused about

this Wireless....resulted in their Telecommunications forays.....{ they

were surprised...how the air waves...converted and making internet

possible...}...they were also the first people to introduce Internet

Data Cards....

 

With regards,

 

Sreeram_Srinivas

 

 

, " Chakraborty, PL "

<CHAKRABORTYP2 wrote:

 

Dear Srinivas-ji,

 

Yes, I am aware that I should go thru' the original texts myself.

 

However, my grip on Sanskrit is nil and and on Hindi it is more of a

'working knowledge'.

 

Whatever I write here is based on some written texts only. As I

never bothered about the author's name in my whole life, it is

difficult for me to cite any specific names. And so I use " heard " -

may be a poor choice of words.

 

I always thought that contents matter much more than who is saying.

 

I know I would collect much rubbish that way - but may be some gems

too someday.

 

With best regards

 

 

Chakraborty

>

>

>

> sreeram srinivas [sreeram64]

> Saturday, January 12, 2008 6:15 PM

>

> Re: Astrology_Practising

>

>

>

>

> Dear Chakrabortyji,

>

> Agreed that such stories are shared by Panditjis, however, it is

> sometimes good to read the scriptures ourselves for they are now

> available in Hindi by Gita Press.....and entire set costs Rs. 1,600 or

> so....better to read from authentic sources, rather to rely on

> " hearsay " .....

>

> I have shared my version of the purana in a separate email addressed

to

> Mr. Chiranjiv....kindly go through it for it may quell some

doubts.....

>

> With regards,

>

> Sreeram_Srinivas

>

> ancient_indian_

<%40>

> astrology , " Chakraborty, PL "

> CHAKRABORTYP2@ wrote:

>

> Dear Chiranjiv,

>

> I have also heard about this.

>

> It was Sage Bhrigu who was cursed by Lakshmi-ji.

>

> Sage Bhrigu also approached Lord Shiva (as per the myth) in

> before he went to see Lord Vishnu and he was chased by angry Shiva.

>

> If I remember correctly, Bhrigu did not / could not curse lord Shiva.

>

> BTW, there is also similar story in (vernacular) Ramayana. There

> the soul of Dasharatha had asked for 'Pinda' from Sita Devi while

> Rama was somewhere else in the jungle. Sita Devi did what was

> asked and kept few witnesses (River Falgu, Peepal Tree, Brahmin etc.)

>

> After Rama came back to the hut, he was surprised to see the Pinda

> offering.

> Sita Devi explained and asked the witnesses to vouch for her. Except

> Peepal

> tree, all other witnesses lied and got cursed.

>

> So, a curse on a Brahmana is not so uncommon !

>

> Regards

>

> Chakraborty

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Dear Chiranjiv ji,

It is alone in Kerala that astrologers are not that poor and

live a moderate good life - because free reading beggars are so few

there; and for certain every client pays at least 50 to 100 Rupees. The

good astrologers going for Tamboola prasna or Deva prasa gets paid

accordingly (based on their knowledge and reputation) from 2000 to

20000 for a day. Even if he is a normal astrologer is not knowledgeable

enough to handle a Deva prashna (Temple prashna), then too at least 10

people would be visiting him per day providing an income of at leat 500

to 1000 rupees a day.

But it is the stingy free reading beggars, that degraded

astrology to 'Daridra vidya' in their view (actually the hell they

created) - but in Kerala astrology is NOT a Daridra vidya but a reputed

one - yes, but may not be as reputed as modern day professions such as

IT, Doctor and Engineer - the mania of the parents.

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

 

 

<Chiranjeev Mehta wrote....>

Re: Astrology_Practising

 

Dear Sreeramji,

 

It was not Baqayaji but I who said it. He was just negating it. Yes I

have heard it from many astrologers themselves., I think it goes like

this : Godess laksmiji cursed all brahmins that they would remain

berfet of great wealth because Sage Bhrigu ( I think) had kicked Lord

Vishnu because of a percieved insult, when the lord was asleep and did

not get up to recieve him.

 

In these "professional days" the curse is not limited only to a community but those who practise their trade.

 

As told by a brahmin himself to me.

 

--- On Sat, 12/1/08, sreeram srinivas <sreeram64 wrote:

 

sreeram srinivas <sreeram64

Re: Astrology_Practising

Saturday, 12 January, 2008, 4:07 PM

 

 

Dear Baqayaji,

 

Good to know that you are a practising astro with 25+ yrs experience.

Can you tell me the logic of selectively applying the "Daridra" curse to

those professionals only ??? Can you explain why Late Sri C.S. Patel

or Late Sri P.S. Sastri inspite of them being seldome involved in any

"professional astrology" in any manner during their entire life

time.....also happens to be the biggest contributors to modern astrology

??

 

From when in the history that this great super science i.e. Divine

Science started becoming a "Daridra Vidya" ?? In which Puranas is it

written ?? It would be interesting to know about this "missing pieces

of knowledge" from learned members..... !!!

 

Would appreciate anyone who can throw light on this.....

 

With regards

 

Sreeram_Srinivas

 

ancient_indian_ astrology, "Rup Krishen Baqaya"

<rkbaqaya@.. .> wrote:

 

My dear friend, I have studied astrology for 25 years now,but by no

standards i can be called daridra.I know of many many very well to do

ppl

who study astrology.In my opinion the curse if any applies to ppl who

practice astrology in a professional way and not to ppl who merely

study

it. RK

 

On Jan 12, 2008 2:24 PM, chiranjiv mehta vchiranjiv@. .. wrote:

>

Yes Nairji is true in some of his observations, examples. Astrology is a

"Daridra Vidya". It reduces wealth. That is due to a curse according to

our

texts by Mata Laxmi ( I think).

 

Such childish remarks "is astrology a figment of imagination etc" was

going to invoke unnecessary arguments and waste of time.That is the

reason

why I had written the first mail. People want definative results - like

a

T.V. remote. They do not understand that even our gods took birth to

rectify any wrongs. They did not reach for the remote like we do. As for

disbelief in astrology : you can continue to work irrespective of

bad/good

times irrespective of fate helping you or no and god does reward such a

karmayogi, however that does not mean astrology does not exist. When you

undergo some trials & tribulations - that is the time you can decide and

exclaim whatever you want.

[Guest guest]

hare rama krishna.

i am sending an a non astro mail tho it may interst to some one .Here its a news paper report abt one of the leading astrologer from kerala.I think the breed of astrologers from kerala is pet of IT ( income tax dept also ) as some astrologer was raided with 5 crore ruppees unaccounted money .

 

ieGod's own gods Thursday July 27 2006 16:44 IST Manoj K Das

Parappanangadi Unnikrishnan

He promises the kingdom to the beggar, riches to the pauper, knowledge to the fool, beauty to the ugly, or any unimaginable possibility to the most undeserving person. Simply whisper the date, place and time of birth and watch with awe how a constellation of cowries dances to his intuition to recreate the past, present and future on a wooden plank even as you join him for a walk-the-talk about yourself. This is Mr Astrologer from Kerala, the interface between the earthly and the celestial, playing the dual role of rearview mirror and halogen headlamps. Surfing on a sea of affluence, his penury is a chapter in past tense. His present is among the opulent elite: a tantric jet-setting between the world capitals keeping track of planets on a wi-fi laptop. And whenever in transit in Kerala, he hops from one TV station to the other, predicting your day, week, month and year. He is the corporate troubleshooter too; preaching business solutions that IIMs can't teach.

Meet Parappanagadi Unnikrishnan, astrology's most successful ambassador, official adviser to the Government of Sri Lanka, consultant to Condoleezza Rice and Bill Clinton, friend of Embekki, Finance Minister of Uganda: You need a 5GB hard disk to store the list of his international contacts alone. . "Like other youngsters of my community, the basic lessons were taught by my father Narayana Panicker and I joined my uncle Kumara Panicker in Coimbatore for further research," he says about his association with Tamil Nadu, the land that catapulted him to fame. "It all began with an ashtamangala prasnam at the Sri Rama temple, Vellore, in which I could read that eight temples that once existed in its neighbourhood were lying under layers of soil. Excavations proved this true and they were renovated. Since then thousands consult me from Tamil Nadu." Unnikrishna Panicker soon crossed the shores of Tamil Nadu to advise Sri Lanka on war, crossed the pacific to reach US before travelling to other developed nations. For obvious reasons, he refuses to divulge details of his connections with nations and world leaders. Every astrologer has similar stories. But not many have mastered the art of translating success into riches. There's a flip side to this coin. "For astrologers like Soolapani Varier, money is the last of the priorities. They live like hermits, never bothering to corner a space in public eye. But their generation is facing extinction," points out Vimala. True, especially when analysed against the backdrop of channel-hogging astrologers enjoying a rating equivalent to prime time soaps. Starting from Attukal Radhakrishnan, who first occupied this niche, all channels boast resident astrologers. The programme is today a phone-in slot where solutions are given live. Apart from Attukal Radhakrishnan's Anantham Ajnatham, Asianet also features Kanipayoor Namoothiripad in their morning show Suprabhatham. "Earlier, I used to go to their studio for the shoot. But now I beam it from my house," Kanipayoor told The New Sunday Express. Surya channel competes with Rasichakram chaired by Sreekumar. Astrologers like Alur Unnikrishna Panicker are happy writing horoscopes of rivers and forests out of academic interest. Alur first wrote the horoscope of Bharathapuzha, the vanishing lifeline of Kerala. He predicted that the river's slow death will begin in the sixties. And four decades later, Kerala painfully acknowledges his credibility as they watch the river gasping for breath. "Credibility of Kerala astrologers was never in question.

 

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

 

 

 

 

, "Sreenadh" <sreesog wrote:>> Dear Chiranjiv ji,> It is alone in Kerala that astrologers are not that poor and live a> moderate good life - because free reading beggars are so few there; and> for certain every client pays at least 50 to 100 Rupees. The good> astrologers going for Tamboola prasna or Deva prasa gets paid> accordingly (based on their knowledge and reputation) from 2000 to 20000> for a day. Even if he is a normal astrologer is not knowledgeable enough> to handle a Deva prashna (Temple prashna), then too at least 10 people> would be visiting him per day providing an income of at leat 500 to 1000> rupees a day.> But it is the stingy free reading beggars, that degraded astrology to> 'Daridra vidya' in their view (actually the hell they created) - but in> Kerala astrology is NOT a Daridra vidya but a reputed one - yes, but may> not be as reputed as modern day professions such as IT, Doctor and> Engineer - the mania of the parents.> Love and regards,> Sreenadh> > > <Chiranjeev Mehta wrote....>> Re: Astrology_Practising> > Dear Sreeramji,> > It was not Baqayaji but I who said it. He was just negating it. Yes I> have heard it from many astrologers themselves., I think it goes like> this : Godess laksmiji cursed all brahmins that they would remain berfet> of great wealth because Sage Bhrigu ( I think) had kicked Lord Vishnu> because of a percieved insult, when the lord was asleep and did not get> up to recieve him.> > In these "professional days" the curse is not limited only to a> community but those who practise their trade.> > As told by a brahmin himself to me.> > --- On Sat, 12/1/08, sreeram srinivas sreeram64 wrote:> > sreeram srinivas sreeram64 Re: Astrology_Practising> > Saturday, 12 January, 2008, 4:07 PM> > > Dear Baqayaji,> > Good to know that you are a practising astro with 25+ yrs> experience.> Can you tell me the logic of selectively applying the "Daridra"> curse to> those professionals only ??? Can you explain why Late Sri C.S. Patel> or Late Sri P.S. Sastri inspite of them being seldome involved in> any> "professional astrology" in any manner during their entire life> time.....also happens to be the biggest contributors to modern> astrology> ??> > From when in the history that this great super science i.e. Divine> Science started becoming a "Daridra Vidya" ?? In which Puranas is it> written ?? It would be interesting to know about this "missing> pieces> of knowledge" from learned members..... !!!> > Would appreciate anyone who can throw light on this.....> > With regards> > Sreeram_Srinivas> > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Rup Krishen> Baqaya"> rkbaqaya@ .> wrote:> > My dear friend, I have studied astrology for 25 years now,but by no> standards i can be called daridra.I know of many many very well to> do> ppl> who study astrology.In my opinion the curse if any applies to ppl> who> practice astrology in a professional way and not to ppl who merely> study> it. RK> > On Jan 12, 2008 2:24 PM, chiranjiv mehta vchiranjiv@ .. wrote:> >> Yes Nairji is true in some of his observations, examples. Astrology> is a> "Daridra Vidya". It reduces wealth. That is due to a curse according> to> our> texts by Mata Laxmi ( I think).> > Such childish remarks "is astrology a figment of imagination etc"> was> going to invoke unnecessary arguments and waste of time.That is the> reason> why I had written the first mail. People want definative results -> like> a> T.V. remote. They do not understand that even our gods took birth to> rectify any wrongs. They did not reach for the remote like we do. As> for> disbelief in astrology : you can continue to work irrespective of> bad/good> times irrespective of fate helping you or no and god does reward> such a> karmayogi, however that does not mean astrology does not exist. When> you> undergo some trials & tribulations - that is the time you can decide> and> exclaim whatever you want.>

[Guest guest]

Dear member,

 

I donot intend to sound like a skeptic but I see an issue with most

coverages about astrologers.

 

The issue is alomost all of them appear to be as advertisements.

 

It appears that none of the predictions the individual made ever

failed.

 

Thats not true at all. Although it might have economic setbacks for

the astrologer, it does in the long run establish his credibilities.

 

As example: Two very famous Indian astrologers predicted that the

present Indian government would not complete its full-term and that

after 2.5 years, mid-way in its term, the present government would

fail.

 

These two individuals didn't say it in private, one of them went far

enough to put it in audio and upload it on a webpage and the other

published it on his website.

 

Now this prediction failed so miserably (and is still failing) that I

inquired from one of them (respectfully) where he might have went

wrong in his analysis so that the community might learn from the

mistakes.

 

Silence is what I received in response.

 

If we donot record our failures and dont talk equally about it as we

talk about our success, we are cheating others and our selves.

 

I am not expecting roaring Sun-like honesty like Gandhi who has the

courage to talk about his desires for his wife when his father was in

his death-bed. Ordinary men donot have the courage to face truth even

to themselves with such bare nakedness.

 

However, just admitting to the fact that one is not perfect and that

one has made mistakes in his/her predictions is the least expected

from an honest astrologer.

 

Regards,

 

Souvik

 

, " sunil nair "

<astro_tellerkerala wrote:

>

>

>

>

> hare rama krishna.

>

> i am sending an a non astro mail tho it may interst to some

one .Here

> its a news paper report abt one of the leading astrologer from

kerala.I

> think the breed of astrologers from kerala is pet of IT ( income tax

> dept also ) as some astrologer was raided with 5 crore ruppees

> unaccounted money .

>

>

>

> ieGod's own gods

> Thursday July 27 2006 16:44 IST

>

> Manoj K Das

>

>

>

> Parappanangadi Unnikrishnan

>

> He promises the kingdom to the beggar, riches to the pauper,

knowledge

> to the fool, beauty to the ugly, or any unimaginable possibility to

the

> most undeserving person.

>

> Simply whisper the date, place and time of birth and watch with awe

how

> a constellation of cowries dances to his intuition to recreate the

past,

> present and future on a wooden plank even as you join him for a

> walk-the-talk about yourself.

>

> This is Mr Astrologer from Kerala, the interface between the

earthly and

> the celestial, playing the dual role of rearview mirror and halogen

> headlamps. Surfing on a sea of affluence, his penury is a chapter in

> past tense. His present is among the opulent elite: a tantric

> jet-setting between the world capitals keeping track of planets on a

> wi-fi laptop. And whenever in transit in Kerala, he hops from one TV

> station to the other, predicting your day, week, month and year.

>

> He is the corporate troubleshooter too; preaching business solutions

> that IIMs can't teach.

>

> Meet Parappanagadi Unnikrishnan, astrology's most successful

> ambassador, official adviser to the Government of Sri Lanka,

consultant

> to Condoleezza Rice and Bill Clinton, friend of Embekki, Finance

> Minister of Uganda: You need a 5GB hard disk to store the list of

his

> international contacts alone. .

>

> " Like other youngsters of my community, the basic lessons were

> taught by my father Narayana Panicker and I joined my uncle Kumara

> Panicker in Coimbatore for further research, " he says about his

> association with Tamil Nadu, the land that catapulted him to fame.

> " It all began with an ashtamangala prasnam at the Sri Rama temple,

> Vellore, in which I could read that eight temples that once existed

in

> its neighbourhood were lying under layers of soil. Excavations

proved

> this true and they were renovated. Since then thousands consult me

from

> Tamil Nadu. "

>

> Unnikrishna Panicker soon crossed the shores of Tamil Nadu to

advise Sri

> Lanka on war, crossed the pacific to reach US before travelling to

other

> developed nations. For obvious reasons, he refuses to divulge

details of

> his connections with nations and world leaders. Every astrologer has

> similar stories. But not many have mastered the art of translating

> success into riches.

>

> There's a flip side to this coin. " For astrologers like

> Soolapani Varier, money is the last of the priorities. They live

like

> hermits, never bothering to corner a space in public eye. But their

> generation is facing extinction, " points out Vimala.

>

> True, especially when analysed against the backdrop of channel-

hogging

> astrologers enjoying a rating equivalent to prime time soaps.

Starting

> from Attukal Radhakrishnan, who first occupied this niche, all

channels

> boast resident astrologers. The programme is today a phone-in slot

where

> solutions are given live. Apart from Attukal Radhakrishnan's

> Anantham Ajnatham, Asianet also features Kanipayoor Namoothiripad in

> their morning show Suprabhatham. " Earlier, I used to go to their

> studio for the shoot. But now I beam it from my house, " Kanipayoor

> told The New Sunday Express. Surya channel competes with Rasichakram

> chaired by Sreekumar.

>

> Astrologers like Alur Unnikrishna Panicker are happy writing

horoscopes

> of rivers and forests out of academic interest. Alur first wrote the

> horoscope of Bharathapuzha, the vanishing lifeline of Kerala. He

> predicted that the river's slow death will begin in the sixties. And

> four decades later, Kerala painfully acknowledges his credibility as

> they watch the river gasping for breath.

>

> " Credibility of Kerala astrologers was never in question.

>

>

>

> regrds sunil nair

>

> om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

>

>

>

>

>

, " Sreenadh "

> <sreesog@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Chiranjiv ji,

> > It is alone in Kerala that astrologers are not that poor and live

a

> > moderate good life - because free reading beggars are so few

there;

> and

> > for certain every client pays at least 50 to 100 Rupees. The good

> > astrologers going for Tamboola prasna or Deva prasa gets paid

> > accordingly (based on their knowledge and reputation) from 2000 to

> 20000

> > for a day. Even if he is a normal astrologer is not knowledgeable

> enough

> > to handle a Deva prashna (Temple prashna), then too at least 10

people

> > would be visiting him per day providing an income of at leat 500

to

> 1000

> > rupees a day.

> > But it is the stingy free reading beggars, that degraded

astrology to

> > 'Daridra vidya' in their view (actually the hell they created) -

but

> in

> > Kerala astrology is NOT a Daridra vidya but a reputed one - yes,

but

> may

> > not be as reputed as modern day professions such as IT, Doctor and

> > Engineer - the mania of the parents.

> > Love and regards,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> >

> > <Chiranjeev Mehta wrote....>

> > Re: Astrology_Practising

> >

> > Dear Sreeramji,

> >

> > It was not Baqayaji but I who said it. He was just negating it.

Yes I

> > have heard it from many astrologers themselves., I think it goes

like

> > this : Godess laksmiji cursed all brahmins that they would remain

> berfet

> > of great wealth because Sage Bhrigu ( I think) had kicked Lord

Vishnu

> > because of a percieved insult, when the lord was asleep and did

not

> get

> > up to recieve him.

> >

> > In these " professional days " the curse is not limited only to a

> > community but those who practise their trade.

> >

> > As told by a brahmin himself to me.

> >

> > --- On Sat, 12/1/08, sreeram srinivas sreeram64@ wrote:

> >

> > sreeram srinivas sreeram64@

> > Re: Astrology_Practising

> >

> > Saturday, 12 January, 2008, 4:07 PM

> >

> >

> > Dear Baqayaji,

> >

> > Good to know that you are a practising astro with 25+ yrs

> > experience.

> > Can you tell me the logic of selectively applying the " Daridra "

> > curse to

> > those professionals only ??? Can you explain why Late Sri C.S.

Patel

> > or Late Sri P.S. Sastri inspite of them being seldome involved in

> > any

> > " professional astrology " in any manner during their entire life

> > time.....also happens to be the biggest contributors to modern

> > astrology

> > ??

> >

> > From when in the history that this great super science i.e. Divine

> > Science started becoming a " Daridra Vidya " ?? In which Puranas is

it

> > written ?? It would be interesting to know about this " missing

> > pieces

> > of knowledge " from learned members..... !!!

> >

> > Would appreciate anyone who can throw light on this.....

> >

> > With regards

> >

> > Sreeram_Srinivas

> >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Rup Krishen

> > Baqaya "

> > rkbaqaya@ .> wrote:

> >

> > My dear friend, I have studied astrology for 25 years now,but by

no

> > standards i can be called daridra.I know of many many very well to

> > do

> > ppl

> > who study astrology.In my opinion the curse if any applies to ppl

> > who

> > practice astrology in a professional way and not to ppl who merely

> > study

> > it. RK

> >

> > On Jan 12, 2008 2:24 PM, chiranjiv mehta vchiranjiv@ .. wrote:

> > >

> > Yes Nairji is true in some of his observations, examples.

Astrology

> > is a

> > " Daridra Vidya " . It reduces wealth. That is due to a curse

according

> > to

> > our

> > texts by Mata Laxmi ( I think).

> >

> > Such childish remarks " is astrology a figment of imagination etc "

> > was

> > going to invoke unnecessary arguments and waste of time.That is

the

> > reason

> > why I had written the first mail. People want definative results -

> > like

> > a

> > T.V. remote. They do not understand that even our gods took birth

to

> > rectify any wrongs. They did not reach for the remote like we do.

As

> > for

> > disbelief in astrology : you can continue to work irrespective of

> > bad/good

> > times irrespective of fate helping you or no and god does reward

> > such a

> > karmayogi, however that does not mean astrology does not exist.

When

> > you

> > undergo some trials & tribulations - that is the time you can

decide

> > and

> > exclaim whatever you want.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

hare ramakrishna,

dear souvik ,

 

Yes what u said is true .But the problem is those who indulge in mundane predictions they hav their own limitations .Still very laid out pri nples are yet to see lime lite .As many r seeing the indepnedent chart of a country or party chart .

hardly sees the oath taking chart .

I dont know who r the famous astrologers u r mentioning but this predictions always given me curiosity as rishis tells us to take the dasa according to longitivity ( max ) ,so 120 years in case of humans may work ,but where as in case of countires what dasa methods we can follow ,in case of ministries what dasa ,is it comprssd dasa realy giving results ,But if they predicted and u know them u can ask for reasons for failure and they may giv their reasons ,And if it is a part of a reserch u will abide with them .And it may revive atleast the varahamihira tradition of predicting national charts .Tho there are some methods like chakras and all that i never bothered to study it as there is no attraction and even no governments are worried abt promoting or helping in reserch .

 

And i find one western frnd of mine who invited me to participate in his reserch on sat +ketu conjns and fate of many countries and he shared me his part of reserch applicable to their western countries and he find some countries get affected but when i asked him how we can pin point with changing times and which may be the countires ,can we see in advance he has no reply .Even now sani +ketu conjn is going on till april last week .

 

Again u shud thank them atleast the ministry faced near death and it was the problems in bengal ( nadi gram ) helped the survival of ministry .So they could tell atleast that much .Or all predictions shud be taged with a statutary warning in cigarette packs --if u happened to see the famous astro Magazine ( except brahma----) refer the first page .

 

Here i was mentioning abt the paid or un paid controversy happened in grp ( and u can see or read the article again abt what is happening in heart land of astrology and prashna sastra ) There all astrologers very wel paid and given good status also .

 

And in person to person readings ur credibilty than sitting in TV and arrange calls to be recvd in edited way .There customer is deciding whom to conct ,And their they r not looking for who is giving free predictions and then lament that astrologer cheat me and this astrologer cheat me on poojas or stones .( when society supports any sastra will grow ) .Here what is happening we hav lot of institute products and they start daignising the diseases themself and then miserably fails . ( off cource i must black sheeps are every where but those who givs free predictions how they survive unless they terrorise customer and make them shell out money ) .

 

And mind it still any sastra has to yet to achieve 100% perfection in anything .Whether its rocket science or robotics ,all areas we r ready to fail and put in lot of funds for further reserch ( at least in non spiritual materialistic dallar countires or euro or u call any currency ) .But here we need a vidoe graphed for future ( u shud tell the storey liek happening in a movie ) predictions with 100% accuracy at the cost of a miss cal or just at the press of a button and they are sitting in their cosy offices all paid by employers and stealing their work time .

 

And we make sure that tru our spiritual mind the gurus die with poverty and debt .And they never go beyond our assummed tradition of no money astrology .I was pointing towards that trend esp in north part of india and then in grps ( i dont need to tell the credibility of majority into astro predictions in grps ) .

 

Where as all major granthas say never visit ur guru,a acharya ,a old person ,a pregnant lady or a house with small kids without some thing in ur hand atleast gifts or sweets .

 

Hope u may look into the essence of the mail and atleast u may admit that this trend will kill this noble tradition ( if u think its noble and devine ) .

Or if u feel hobbyists will carry the torch then i hav nothing to say .

My point is it shud b given a status of any profession and then ppl will learn how to pay amply .Than forcing them to cheat others .If u hav a problem or not .

 

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

 

, "Souvik Dutta" <explore_vulcan wrote:>> Dear member,> > I donot intend to sound like a skeptic but I see an issue with most > coverages about astrologers.> > The issue is alomost all of them appear to be as advertisements.> > It appears that none of the predictions the individual made ever > failed. > > Thats not true at all. Although it might have economic setbacks for > the astrologer, it does in the long run establish his credibilities.> > As example: Two very famous Indian astrologers predicted that the > present Indian government would not complete its full-term and that > after 2.5 years, mid-way in its term, the present government would > fail.> > These two individuals didn't say it in private, one of them went far > enough to put it in audio and upload it on a webpage and the other > published it on his website.> > Now this prediction failed so miserably (and is still failing) that I > inquired from one of them (respectfully) where he might have went > wrong in his analysis so that the community might learn from the > mistakes.> > Silence is what I received in response.> > If we donot record our failures and dont talk equally about it as we > talk about our success, we are cheating others and our selves.> > I am not expecting roaring Sun-like honesty like Gandhi who has the > courage to talk about his desires for his wife when his father was in > his death-bed. Ordinary men donot have the courage to face truth even > to themselves with such bare nakedness.> > However, just admitting to the fact that one is not perfect and that > one has made mistakes in his/her predictions is the least expected > from an honest astrologer.> > Regards,> > Souvik> > , "sunil nair" > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> >> > > > > > > > hare rama krishna.> > > > i am sending an a non astro mail tho it may interst to some > one .Here> > its a news paper report abt one of the leading astrologer from > kerala.I> > think the breed of astrologers from kerala is pet of IT ( income tax> > dept also ) as some astrologer was raided with 5 crore ruppees> > unaccounted money .> > > > > > > > ieGod's own gods> > Thursday July 27 2006 16:44 IST> > > > Manoj K Das> > > > > > > > Parappanangadi Unnikrishnan> > > > He promises the kingdom to the beggar, riches to the pauper, > knowledge> > to the fool, beauty to the ugly, or any unimaginable possibility to > the> > most undeserving person.> > > > Simply whisper the date, place and time of birth and watch with awe > how> > a constellation of cowries dances to his intuition to recreate the > past,> > present and future on a wooden plank even as you join him for a> > walk-the-talk about yourself.> > > > This is Mr Astrologer from Kerala, the interface between the > earthly and> > the celestial, playing the dual role of rearview mirror and halogen> > headlamps. Surfing on a sea of affluence, his penury is a chapter in> > past tense. His present is among the opulent elite: a tantric> > jet-setting between the world capitals keeping track of planets on a> > wi-fi laptop. And whenever in transit in Kerala, he hops from one TV> > station to the other, predicting your day, week, month and year.> > > > He is the corporate troubleshooter too; preaching business solutions> > that IIMs can't teach.> > > > Meet Parappanagadi Unnikrishnan, astrology's most successful> > ambassador, official adviser to the Government of Sri Lanka, > consultant> > to Condoleezza Rice and Bill Clinton, friend of Embekki, Finance> > Minister of Uganda: You need a 5GB hard disk to store the list of > his> > international contacts alone. .> > > > "Like other youngsters of my community, the basic lessons were> > taught by my father Narayana Panicker and I joined my uncle Kumara> > Panicker in Coimbatore for further research," he says about his> > association with Tamil Nadu, the land that catapulted him to fame.> > "It all began with an ashtamangala prasnam at the Sri Rama temple,> > Vellore, in which I could read that eight temples that once existed > in> > its neighbourhood were lying under layers of soil. Excavations > proved> > this true and they were renovated. Since then thousands consult me > from> > Tamil Nadu."> > > > Unnikrishna Panicker soon crossed the shores of Tamil Nadu to > advise Sri> > Lanka on war, crossed the pacific to reach US before travelling to > other> > developed nations. For obvious reasons, he refuses to divulge > details of> > his connections with nations and world leaders. Every astrologer has> > similar stories. But not many have mastered the art of translating> > success into riches.> > > > There's a flip side to this coin. "For astrologers like> > Soolapani Varier, money is the last of the priorities. They live > like> > hermits, never bothering to corner a space in public eye. But their> > generation is facing extinction," points out Vimala.> > > > True, especially when analysed against the backdrop of channel-> hogging> > astrologers enjoying a rating equivalent to prime time soaps. > Starting> > from Attukal Radhakrishnan, who first occupied this niche, all > channels> > boast resident astrologers. The programme is today a phone-in slot > where> > solutions are given live. Apart from Attukal Radhakrishnan's> > Anantham Ajnatham, Asianet also features Kanipayoor Namoothiripad in> > their morning show Suprabhatham. "Earlier, I used to go to their> > studio for the shoot. But now I beam it from my house," Kanipayoor> > told The New Sunday Express. Surya channel competes with Rasichakram> > chaired by Sreekumar.> > > > Astrologers like Alur Unnikrishna Panicker are happy writing > horoscopes> > of rivers and forests out of academic interest. Alur first wrote the> > horoscope of Bharathapuzha, the vanishing lifeline of Kerala. He> > predicted that the river's slow death will begin in the sixties. And> > four decades later, Kerala painfully acknowledges his credibility as> > they watch the river gasping for breath.> > > > "Credibility of Kerala astrologers was never in question.> > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Sreenadh"> > <sreesog@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Chiranjiv ji,> > > It is alone in Kerala that astrologers are not that poor and live > a> > > moderate good life - because free reading beggars are so few > there;> > and> > > for certain every client pays at least 50 to 100 Rupees. The good> > > astrologers going for Tamboola prasna or Deva prasa gets paid> > > accordingly (based on their knowledge and reputation) from 2000 to> > 20000> > > for a day. Even if he is a normal astrologer is not knowledgeable> > enough> > > to handle a Deva prashna (Temple prashna), then too at least 10 > people> > > would be visiting him per day providing an income of at leat 500 > to> > 1000> > > rupees a day.> > > But it is the stingy free reading beggars, that degraded > astrology to> > > 'Daridra vidya' in their view (actually the hell they created) - > but> > in> > > Kerala astrology is NOT a Daridra vidya but a reputed one - yes, > but> > may> > > not be as reputed as modern day professions such as IT, Doctor and> > > Engineer - the mania of the parents.> > > Love and regards,> > > Sreenadh> > >> > >> > > <Chiranjeev Mehta wrote....>> > > Re: Astrology_Practising> > >> > > Dear Sreeramji,> > >> > > It was not Baqayaji but I who said it. He was just negating it. > Yes I> > > have heard it from many astrologers themselves., I think it goes > like> > > this : Godess laksmiji cursed all brahmins that they would remain> > berfet> > > of great wealth because Sage Bhrigu ( I think) had kicked Lord > Vishnu> > > because of a percieved insult, when the lord was asleep and did > not> > get> > > up to recieve him.> > >> > > In these "professional days" the curse is not limited only to a> > > community but those who practise their trade.> > >> > > As told by a brahmin himself to me.> > >> > > --- On Sat, 12/1/08, sreeram srinivas sreeram64@ wrote:> > >> > > sreeram srinivas sreeram64@> > > Re: Astrology_Practising> > > > > > Saturday, 12 January, 2008, 4:07 PM> > >> > >> > > Dear Baqayaji,> > >> > > Good to know that you are a practising astro with 25+ yrs> > > experience.> > > Can you tell me the logic of selectively applying the "Daridra"> > > curse to> > > those professionals only ??? Can you explain why Late Sri C.S. > Patel> > > or Late Sri P.S. Sastri inspite of them being seldome involved in> > > any> > > "professional astrology" in any manner during their entire life> > > time.....also happens to be the biggest contributors to modern> > > astrology> > > ??> > >> > > From when in the history that this great super science i.e. Divine> > > Science started becoming a "Daridra Vidya" ?? In which Puranas is > it> > > written ?? It would be interesting to know about this "missing> > > pieces> > > of knowledge" from learned members..... !!!> > >> > > Would appreciate anyone who can throw light on this.....> > >> > > With regards> > >> > > Sreeram_Srinivas> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Rup Krishen> > > Baqaya"> > > rkbaqaya@ .> wrote:> > >> > > My dear friend, I have studied astrology for 25 years now,but by > no> > > standards i can be called daridra.I know of many many very well to> > > do> > > ppl> > > who study astrology.In my opinion the curse if any applies to ppl> > > who> > > practice astrology in a professional way and not to ppl who merely> > > study> > > it. RK> > >> > > On Jan 12, 2008 2:24 PM, chiranjiv mehta vchiranjiv@ .. wrote:> > > >> > > Yes Nairji is true in some of his observations, examples. > Astrology> > > is a> > > "Daridra Vidya". It reduces wealth. That is due to a curse > according> > > to> > > our> > > texts by Mata Laxmi ( I think).> > >> > > Such childish remarks "is astrology a figment of imagination etc"> > > was> > > going to invoke unnecessary arguments and waste of time.That is > the> > > reason> > > why I had written the first mail. People want definative results -> > > like> > > a> > > T.V. remote. They do not understand that even our gods took birth > to> > > rectify any wrongs. They did not reach for the remote like we do. > As> > > for> > > disbelief in astrology : you can continue to work irrespective of> > > bad/good> > > times irrespective of fate helping you or no and god does reward> > > such a> > > karmayogi, however that does not mean astrology does not exist. > When> > > you> > > undergo some trials & tribulations - that is the time you can > decide> > > and> > > exclaim whatever you want.> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Dear Srinivas-ji,

 

I agree fully with what you have said. That should be the

way to learn. Without discretion, the brain will be collecting

All rubbish - more like a GUTTER.

 

However, I was / am a bit of of abnormal. I was a voracious

reader in childhood. Even now, I read whatever I can find or

lay my hands on. And no permanent interest on any subject.

I guess I am destined to be a 'jack' of many trades only.

 

I honestly respect people who is a master in his own area -

let that be a surgeon / engr / industrialist / astrologer or even

the 'Jackal - the infamous killer. I am not including fine arts here -

because I feel one needs God's grace to accomplish something

there.

 

But somehow, I can never emulate anybody. I always felt different.

I like to copy / emulate some parts / ideas from some person.

But that's all. I will assimilate that in my own way.

 

(Probably 1st & 6L, 2L & 5L, 4L, 7L & 12L- all combust - all are in 2H

- ego coming in the way ? - Friends tell me I am ego-less !!!)

 

I am learning some bits and parts from this forum. May be next time

I will remain silent - a silent learner.

 

With best reagrds

 

 

Chakraborty

 

 

sreeram srinivas [sreeram64]Saturday, January 12, 2008 8:34 PM Subject: Re: Astrology_Practising

 

Dear Chakrabortyji,It is my view that one should be little choosy in reading books writtenby respected authors, for it gives greater clarity. Like wanting toknow anything on Hinduism, I would prefer to read Sri Swami Vivekananda & Sri Aurobindo Ghosh apart from scriptures themselves. I would suggesteveryone to read Sri Aurobindo's "Foundation of Hindu Civilization" avoluminuous book, very tersely worded......note the depths he went inthat.....Similarly, apart from Swami Vivekananda's books {completeworks...}, including his original speeches given in Chicago in his ownvoice....I get goose bumps as I read, re-read & hear them.....I agree for many ofus Sanskrit is still a "foreign language"...but someday we need to makea begining.....I do understand from my other Bengali friends, there isrich literature in Bengali Language....for being home of many asaints.....Almost all of us are working and holding responsible jobs, which requireuse of discretion in our daily activities.....my line of thinking is toapply the same discretion even in this hobbies...possibly some thinggood may came out....I have known businessmen starting new profitablebusinesses in this way.....Example- When Ambani's met Bill Gates in Mumbai, the meeting waspossible due to wireless communication technology....After themeeting....Ambanis...till then in Petroleum sector, got enthused aboutthis Wireless....resulted in their Telecommunications forays.....{ theywere surprised...how the air waves...converted and making internetpossible...}...they were also the first people to introduce InternetData Cards....With regards,Sreeram_Srinivas , "Chakraborty, PL"<CHAKRABORTYP2 wrote:Dear Srinivas-ji,Yes, I am aware that I should go thru' the original texts myself.However, my grip on Sanskrit is nil and and on Hindi it is more of a'working knowledge'.Whatever I write here is based on some written texts only. As Inever bothered about the author's name in my whole life, it isdifficult for me to cite any specific names. And so I use "heard" - may be a poor choice of words.I always thought that contents matter much more than who is saying.I know I would collect much rubbish that way - but may be some gemstoo someday.With best regardsChakraborty>>> > sreeram srinivas [sreeram64]> Saturday, January 12, 2008 6:15 PM> > Re: Astrology_Practising>>>>> Dear Chakrabortyji,>> Agreed that such stories are shared by Panditjis, however, it is> sometimes good to read the scriptures ourselves for they are now> available in Hindi by Gita Press.....and entire set costs Rs. 1,600 or> so....better to read from authentic sources, rather to rely on> "hearsay".....>> I have shared my version of the purana in a separate email addressedto> Mr. Chiranjiv....kindly go through it for it may quell somedoubts.....>> With regards,>> Sreeram_Srinivas>> ancient_indian_<%40>> astrology , "Chakraborty, PL"> CHAKRABORTYP2@ wrote:>> Dear Chiranjiv,>> I have also heard about this.>> It was Sage Bhrigu who was cursed by Lakshmi-ji.>> Sage Bhrigu also approached Lord Shiva (as per the myth) in> before he went to see Lord Vishnu and he was chased by angry Shiva.>> If I remember correctly, Bhrigu did not / could not curse lord Shiva.>> BTW, there is also similar story in (vernacular) Ramayana. There> the soul of Dasharatha had asked for 'Pinda' from Sita Devi while> Rama was somewhere else in the jungle. Sita Devi did what was> asked and kept few witnesses (River Falgu, Peepal Tree, Brahmin etc.)>> After Rama came back to the hut, he was surprised to see the Pinda> offering.> Sita Devi explained and asked the witnesses to vouch for her. Except> Peepal> tree, all other witnesses lied and got cursed.>> So, a curse on a Brahmana is not so uncommon !>> Regards>> Chakraborty>>>>> This Message was sent from Indian Oil Messaging Gateway. Theinformation contained in this electronic message and any attachments tothis message are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) andmay contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If youare not the intended recipient, you should not disseminate, distributeor copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately and destroyall copies of this message and any attachments.>This Message was sent from Indian Oil Messaging Gateway. The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately and destroy all copies of this message and any attachments.

[Guest guest]

Dear Members,

 

Let us apply our common sense logics for a moment on the issue of

practising astrology being termed as " Daridra Vidya " for some have

quoted from mythology..etc... Throughout the Indian history,

Brahmins {who were mainly practising this- I am for a moment considering

both that Brahmins are a caste by birth & also as community}, were seen

with the Kings & Emperor and advising him on the governance issues. The

kings were pratronized them, so they enjoyed many priveleges. Let us

not argue on the inter-caste rivalries and keep them aside.

 

Show me an instance which is contrary to the above.

 

On one side, we say astrology is a divine science, then attribute

" Daridra Vidya " , title to it.. Do we see the glaring contradiction

there ?? How can a divine science, supported by Vedas, which is never

disputed by anyone, suddenly started gaining support of one mythological

story {i.e. distorted mythological story}. Even today, India/Hinduism

inspite of cultural & moral onslaught of values from other societies,

still respects its spiritually enlightened or people having knowledge in

that " subject spectrum " .

 

It is also said that those who do not take or consider or brood over

such advises, may possibly face the bad consequences....for the

knowledge givers were mostly brahmins, supposed to have given their

honest advices for the benefit of the society or the individual.

 

Note, we are talking of ideal & honest cases here, for we all know any

dishonesty in any profession surely will be punished either by law or

his own karma when the time comes.

 

Now, tell me where the said " Daridra Yoga " prevail ??

 

With regards,

 

Sreeram_Srinivas

[Guest guest]

Dear Sunil-ji,

 

I consider myself I very open-minded person. I see your point too.

 

Yes, I agree that when it comes to profession, IT professionals or

doctors are for that matter any individual would do just the same as

astrologers in hiding or justifying their mistakes.

 

If I stand here criticising only the astrologers and making them look

that they donot have a right to a good professional life, I being no

more than a mere hypocrite.

 

I agree with you that astrologers have a right to profession as much

as any other individual.

 

I humbly admit that since I am a hobbist I didnot see this reality

until I saw your mail and thought about this issue deeply.

 

But, now speaking on behalf of the whole professional astrology

community, I would like to put forth some facts. Again, my views here

are completely for the professional astrology community and not

astrology as such:

1) Since the Government has not constructed any recognized body or

association for this, many of the general public (who could be

prespective clients) has confusion who is correct.

2) Professional astrologers like any other professional in the world

today is fond of claiming they are better than the others. Lack of

unity or an organization or group work makes professional astrologers

look questionable in the eyes of modern population.

3) India is going cosmopolitan. Soon even rural India will be exposed

to the world..the process has already started. People are learning to

question, and unless the professional astrology community can answer

their questions, the client base will keep decreasing.

 

Every field has its issues and trust me when I look back on my own

career as a software professional, I see things which is no better

than what I was criticising.

 

I was working for 4 years in a leading IT firm based out of India

doing business all over the world. Personally, although I have this

obsession about truth, I observed that in my firm, truth always would

mean professional suicide.

 

I have no shame in admitting my first major screw up. I was lucky to

be in a one-man project on my first assignment interacting directly

with my client in the US. It was a great oppurtunity and I loved

working with him. Then there was a major misunderstanding and I ran a

procedure on the production environment which I should have run only

on the test environment. I realised it just a split second later.

I called my manager (in India) and told about the incident. I told

him that I should write an apology email to the client. He looked at

me with astonishment and said " NO " . He said we would have a one-one

call with the client and explain the scenario.

 

This was my first experience in hiding the truth. I later heard that

it was a " SAVE my ASS " motto that often runs in such offshore

companies. I felt terribly bad, trust me on this. I couldn't come to

terms with it and just couldn't rest with my peace of mind.

 

After a year, the end of the project was near. There was a merger and

I heard that my cleint manager, lets call him good old Joe, was

leaving the company as well. I was about to get released and got an

oppurtunity to travel to US on an assignment. Joe and I, although we

never met, had a great bond but there was still fire inside me,

because I held the truth from him. Even on the last day I didn't have

the courage to tell him about my screw up. He gave me and my manager

a two page official appreciation letter for my job done.

 

After a few months, I was in the US of A. It took me a few months to

get settled and then I called up Joe. Joe was very thrilled to

receive my call. We spoke for hours and then I said that I had a

confession to make. I reminded him of the incident and told me the

truth, oh it was such a relief-trust me. Joe was silent for a few

seconds and then he said it was an honor for him to work with me. He

said he knew all along although it was projected as a DBA messing up

issue, but he and all his colleages knew about what happened. He said

people knew how Indian offshore companies operate and the error

margins that they need to project. However, he said he was very proud

of me becoz even after a almost 2 years I had the " balls " to stand up

for the truth.

 

Well I slept that night as I would have never slept before and from

that day I started writing apology emails for every screw-up I did.

 

Today I work for an American company and I have to come to realise

that admiting one's mistake is so much respected in this work culture

and makes one so much more reliable and trust worthy that it is

really worth the pain. Most of all, it makes me feel good

 

Cheers!

 

Souvik

 

, " sunil nair "

<astro_tellerkerala wrote:

>

>

>

>

> hare ramakrishna,

>

> dear souvik ,

>

>

>

> Yes what u said is true .But the problem is those who

indulge in

> mundane predictions they hav their own limitations .Still very laid

out

> pri nples are yet to see lime lite .As many r seeing the

indepnedent

> chart of a country or party chart .

>

> hardly sees the oath taking chart .

>

> I dont know who r the famous astrologers u r mentioning but this

> predictions always given me curiosity as rishis tells us to take

the

> dasa according to longitivity ( max ) ,so 120 years in case of

humans

> may work ,but where as in case of countires what dasa methods we can

> follow ,in case of ministries what dasa ,is it comprssd dasa realy

> giving results ,But if they predicted and u know them u can ask for

> reasons for failure and they may giv their reasons ,And if it is a

part

> of a reserch u will abide with them .And it may revive atleast the

> varahamihira tradition of predicting national charts .Tho there are

some

> methods like chakras and all that i never bothered to study it as

there

> is no attraction and even no governments are worried abt promoting

or

> helping in reserch .

>

>

>

> And i find one western frnd of mine who invited me to participate

in his

> reserch on sat +ketu conjns and fate of many countries and he

shared me

> his part of reserch applicable to their western countries and he

find

> some countries get affected but when i asked him how we can pin

point

> with changing times and which may be the countires ,can we see in

> advance he has no reply .Even now sani +ketu conjn is going on till

> april last week .

>

>

>

> Again u shud thank them atleast the ministry faced near death and

it was

> the problems in bengal ( nadi gram ) helped the survival of

ministry .So

> they could tell atleast that much .Or all predictions shud be taged

with

> a statutary warning in cigarette packs --if u happened to see the

famous

> astro Magazine ( except brahma----) refer the first page .

>

>

>

> Here i was mentioning abt the paid or un paid controversy happened

in

> grp ( and u can see or read the article again abt what is happening

in

> heart land of astrology and prashna sastra ) There all astrologers

very

> wel paid and given good status also .

>

>

>

> And in person to person readings ur credibilty than sitting in TV

and

> arrange calls to be recvd in edited way .There customer is deciding

whom

> to conct ,And their they r not looking for who is giving free

> predictions and then lament that astrologer cheat me and this

astrologer

> cheat me on poojas or stones .( when society supports any sastra

will

> grow ) .Here what is happening we hav lot of institute products and

they

> start daignising the diseases themself and then miserably fails . (

off

> cource i must black sheeps are every where but those who givs free

> predictions how they survive unless they terrorise customer and make

> them shell out money ) .

>

>

>

> And mind it still any sastra has to yet to achieve 100%

perfection

> in anything .Whether its rocket science or robotics ,all areas we r

> ready to fail and put in lot of funds for further reserch ( at

least in

> non spiritual materialistic dallar countires or euro or u call any

> currency ) .But here we need a vidoe graphed for future ( u shud

tell

> the storey liek happening in a movie ) predictions with 100%

accuracy

> at the cost of a miss cal or just at the press of a button and they

are

> sitting in their cosy offices all paid by employers and stealing

their

> work time .

>

>

>

> And we make sure that tru our spiritual mind the gurus die with

> poverty and debt .And they never go beyond our assummed tradition

of

> no money astrology .I was pointing towards that trend esp in north

part

> of india and then in grps ( i dont need to tell the

credibility of

> majority into astro predictions in grps ) .

>

>

>

> Where as all major granthas say never visit ur guru,a acharya ,a old

> person ,a pregnant lady or a house with small kids without some

thing in

> ur hand atleast gifts or sweets .

>

>

>

> Hope u may look into the essence of the mail and atleast u may admit

> that this trend will kill this noble tradition ( if u think its

noble

> and devine ) .

>

> Or if u feel hobbyists will carry the torch then i hav nothing to

say .

>

> My point is it shud b given a status of any profession and then ppl

will

> learn how to pay amply .Than forcing them to cheat others .If u hav

a

> problem or not .

>

>

>

> regrds sunil nair

>

> om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

>

>

>

>

> , " Souvik Dutta "

> <explore_vulcan@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear member,

> >

> > I donot intend to sound like a skeptic but I see an issue with

most

> > coverages about astrologers.

> >

> > The issue is alomost all of them appear to be as advertisements.

> >

> > It appears that none of the predictions the individual made ever

> > failed.

> >

> > Thats not true at all. Although it might have economic setbacks

for

> > the astrologer, it does in the long run establish his

credibilities.

> >

> > As example: Two very famous Indian astrologers predicted that the

> > present Indian government would not complete its full-term and

that

> > after 2.5 years, mid-way in its term, the present government would

> > fail.

> >

> > These two individuals didn't say it in private, one of them went

far

> > enough to put it in audio and upload it on a webpage and the other

> > published it on his website.

> >

> > Now this prediction failed so miserably (and is still failing)

that I

> > inquired from one of them (respectfully) where he might have went

> > wrong in his analysis so that the community might learn from the

> > mistakes.

> >

> > Silence is what I received in response.

> >

> > If we donot record our failures and dont talk equally about it as

we

> > talk about our success, we are cheating others and our selves.

> >

> > I am not expecting roaring Sun-like honesty like Gandhi who has

the

> > courage to talk about his desires for his wife when his father

was in

> > his death-bed. Ordinary men donot have the courage to face truth

even

> > to themselves with such bare nakedness.

> >

> > However, just admitting to the fact that one is not perfect and

that

> > one has made mistakes in his/her predictions is the least expected

> > from an honest astrologer.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Souvik

> >

> > , " sunil nair "

> > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > hare rama krishna.

> > >

> > > i am sending an a non astro mail tho it may interst to some

> > one .Here

> > > its a news paper report abt one of the leading astrologer from

> > kerala.I

> > > think the breed of astrologers from kerala is pet of IT (

income tax

> > > dept also ) as some astrologer was raided with 5 crore ruppees

> > > unaccounted money .

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ieGod's own gods

> > > Thursday July 27 2006 16:44 IST

> > >

> > > Manoj K Das

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Parappanangadi Unnikrishnan

> > >

> > > He promises the kingdom to the beggar, riches to the pauper,

> > knowledge

> > > to the fool, beauty to the ugly, or any unimaginable

possibility to

> > the

> > > most undeserving person.

> > >

> > > Simply whisper the date, place and time of birth and watch with

awe

> > how

> > > a constellation of cowries dances to his intuition to recreate

the

> > past,

> > > present and future on a wooden plank even as you join him for a

> > > walk-the-talk about yourself.

> > >

> > > This is Mr Astrologer from Kerala, the interface between the

> > earthly and

> > > the celestial, playing the dual role of rearview mirror and

halogen

> > > headlamps. Surfing on a sea of affluence, his penury is a

chapter in

> > > past tense. His present is among the opulent elite: a tantric

> > > jet-setting between the world capitals keeping track of planets

on a

> > > wi-fi laptop. And whenever in transit in Kerala, he hops from

one TV

> > > station to the other, predicting your day, week, month and year.

> > >

> > > He is the corporate troubleshooter too; preaching business

solutions

> > > that IIMs can't teach.

> > >

> > > Meet Parappanagadi Unnikrishnan, astrology's most successful

> > > ambassador, official adviser to the Government of Sri Lanka,

> > consultant

> > > to Condoleezza Rice and Bill Clinton, friend of Embekki, Finance

> > > Minister of Uganda: You need a 5GB hard disk to store the list

of

> > his

> > > international contacts alone. .

> > >

> > > " Like other youngsters of my community, the basic lessons were

> > > taught by my father Narayana Panicker and I joined my uncle

Kumara

> > > Panicker in Coimbatore for further research, " he says about his

> > > association with Tamil Nadu, the land that catapulted him to

fame.

> > > " It all began with an ashtamangala prasnam at the Sri Rama

temple,

> > > Vellore, in which I could read that eight temples that once

existed

> > in

> > > its neighbourhood were lying under layers of soil. Excavations

> > proved

> > > this true and they were renovated. Since then thousands consult

me

> > from

> > > Tamil Nadu. "

> > >

> > > Unnikrishna Panicker soon crossed the shores of Tamil Nadu to

> > advise Sri

> > > Lanka on war, crossed the pacific to reach US before travelling

to

> > other

> > > developed nations. For obvious reasons, he refuses to divulge

> > details of

> > > his connections with nations and world leaders. Every

astrologer has

> > > similar stories. But not many have mastered the art of

translating

> > > success into riches.

> > >

> > > There's a flip side to this coin. " For astrologers like

> > > Soolapani Varier, money is the last of the priorities. They live

> > like

> > > hermits, never bothering to corner a space in public eye. But

their

> > > generation is facing extinction, " points out Vimala.

> > >

> > > True, especially when analysed against the backdrop of channel-

> > hogging

> > > astrologers enjoying a rating equivalent to prime time soaps.

> > Starting

> > > from Attukal Radhakrishnan, who first occupied this niche, all

> > channels

> > > boast resident astrologers. The programme is today a phone-in

slot

> > where

> > > solutions are given live. Apart from Attukal Radhakrishnan's

> > > Anantham Ajnatham, Asianet also features Kanipayoor

Namoothiripad in

> > > their morning show Suprabhatham. " Earlier, I used to go to their

> > > studio for the shoot. But now I beam it from my house, "

Kanipayoor

> > > told The New Sunday Express. Surya channel competes with

Rasichakram

> > > chaired by Sreekumar.

> > >

> > > Astrologers like Alur Unnikrishna Panicker are happy writing

> > horoscopes

> > > of rivers and forests out of academic interest. Alur first

wrote the

> > > horoscope of Bharathapuzha, the vanishing lifeline of Kerala. He

> > > predicted that the river's slow death will begin in the

sixties. And

> > > four decades later, Kerala painfully acknowledges his

credibility as

> > > they watch the river gasping for breath.

> > >

> > > " Credibility of Kerala astrologers was never in question.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > regrds sunil nair

> > >

> > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " Sreenadh "

> > > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Chiranjiv ji,

> > > > It is alone in Kerala that astrologers are not that poor and

live

> > a

> > > > moderate good life - because free reading beggars are so few

> > there;

> > > and

> > > > for certain every client pays at least 50 to 100 Rupees. The

good

> > > > astrologers going for Tamboola prasna or Deva prasa gets paid

> > > > accordingly (based on their knowledge and reputation) from

2000 to

> > > 20000

> > > > for a day. Even if he is a normal astrologer is not

knowledgeable

> > > enough

> > > > to handle a Deva prashna (Temple prashna), then too at least

10

> > people

> > > > would be visiting him per day providing an income of at leat

500

> > to

> > > 1000

> > > > rupees a day.

> > > > But it is the stingy free reading beggars, that degraded

> > astrology to

> > > > 'Daridra vidya' in their view (actually the hell they

created) -

> > but

> > > in

> > > > Kerala astrology is NOT a Daridra vidya but a reputed one -

yes,

> > but

> > > may

> > > > not be as reputed as modern day professions such as IT,

Doctor and

> > > > Engineer - the mania of the parents.

> > > > Love and regards,

> > > > Sreenadh

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > <Chiranjeev Mehta wrote....>

> > > > Re: Astrology_Practising

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sreeramji,

> > > >

> > > > It was not Baqayaji but I who said it. He was just negating

it.

> > Yes I

> > > > have heard it from many astrologers themselves., I think it

goes

> > like

> > > > this : Godess laksmiji cursed all brahmins that they would

remain

> > > berfet

> > > > of great wealth because Sage Bhrigu ( I think) had kicked Lord

> > Vishnu

> > > > because of a percieved insult, when the lord was asleep and

did

> > not

> > > get

> > > > up to recieve him.

> > > >

> > > > In these " professional days " the curse is not limited only to

a

> > > > community but those who practise their trade.

> > > >

> > > > As told by a brahmin himself to me.

> > > >

> > > > --- On Sat, 12/1/08, sreeram srinivas sreeram64@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > sreeram srinivas sreeram64@

> > > > Re: Astrology_Practising

> > > >

> > > > Saturday, 12 January, 2008, 4:07 PM

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Baqayaji,

> > > >

> > > > Good to know that you are a practising astro with 25+ yrs

> > > > experience.

> > > > Can you tell me the logic of selectively applying

the " Daridra "

> > > > curse to

> > > > those professionals only ??? Can you explain why Late Sri C.S.

> > Patel

> > > > or Late Sri P.S. Sastri inspite of them being seldome

involved in

> > > > any

> > > > " professional astrology " in any manner during their entire

life

> > > > time.....also happens to be the biggest contributors to modern

> > > > astrology

> > > > ??

> > > >

> > > > From when in the history that this great super science i.e.

Divine

> > > > Science started becoming a " Daridra Vidya " ?? In which

Puranas is

> > it

> > > > written ?? It would be interesting to know about this " missing

> > > > pieces

> > > > of knowledge " from learned members..... !!!

> > > >

> > > > Would appreciate anyone who can throw light on this.....

> > > >

> > > > With regards

> > > >

> > > > Sreeram_Srinivas

> > > >

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Rup

Krishen

> > > > Baqaya "

> > > > rkbaqaya@ .> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > My dear friend, I have studied astrology for 25 years now,but

by

> > no

> > > > standards i can be called daridra.I know of many many very

well to

> > > > do

> > > > ppl

> > > > who study astrology.In my opinion the curse if any applies to

ppl

> > > > who

> > > > practice astrology in a professional way and not to ppl who

merely

> > > > study

> > > > it. RK

> > > >

> > > > On Jan 12, 2008 2:24 PM, chiranjiv mehta vchiranjiv@ .. wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > Yes Nairji is true in some of his observations, examples.

> > Astrology

> > > > is a

> > > > " Daridra Vidya " . It reduces wealth. That is due to a curse

> > according

> > > > to

> > > > our

> > > > texts by Mata Laxmi ( I think).

> > > >

> > > > Such childish remarks " is astrology a figment of imagination

etc "

> > > > was

> > > > going to invoke unnecessary arguments and waste of time.That

is

> > the

> > > > reason

> > > > why I had written the first mail. People want definative

results -

> > > > like

> > > > a

> > > > T.V. remote. They do not understand that even our gods took

birth

> > to

> > > > rectify any wrongs. They did not reach for the remote like we

do.

> > As

> > > > for

> > > > disbelief in astrology : you can continue to work

irrespective of

> > > > bad/good

> > > > times irrespective of fate helping you or no and god does

reward

> > > > such a

> > > > karmayogi, however that does not mean astrology does not

exist.

> > When

> > > > you

> > > > undergo some trials & tribulations - that is the time you can

> > decide

> > > > and

> > > > exclaim whatever you want.

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Sreeramji,The honest astrologer will not feel himself 'daridra' because he will be a self-satisfied person. He will not mind for the earning he get from the people for his astro-predictions. He will not demand a particular amount for his forecasts from the visitors. Any visitor who goes to him for reading his horoscope or for his astro-consultations, will definitely contribute something to the pundit according to his might. So such a person will not be a 'daridra'. He will be a self-satisfied person with happy blissful life. Such people will not find time for any other activity, because people will be flocking to him in queues for their consultations.If at all, such a person is suffering from poverty, he takes it as his fate, due to past karma and enjoys it equally.With regards,D.Ramakrishnan.sreeram srinivas <sreeram64

wrote: Dear Members, Let us apply our common sense logics for a moment on the issue of practising astrology being termed as "Daridra Vidya" for some have quoted from mythology..etc... Throughout the Indian history, Brahmins {who were mainly practising this- I am for a moment considering both that Brahmins are a caste by birth & also as community}, were seen with the Kings & Emperor and advising him on the governance issues. The kings were pratronized them, so they enjoyed many priveleges. Let us not argue on the inter-caste

rivalries and keep them aside. Show me an instance which is contrary to the above. On one side, we say astrology is a divine science, then attribute "Daridra Vidya", title to it.. Do we see the glaring contradiction there ?? How can a divine science, supported by Vedas, which is never disputed by anyone, suddenly started gaining support of one mythological story {i.e. distorted mythological story}. Even today, India/Hinduism inspite of cultural & moral onslaught of values from other societies, still respects its spiritually enlightened or people having knowledge in that "subject spectrum". It is also said that those who do not take or consider or brood over such advises, may possibly face the bad consequences....for the knowledge givers were mostly brahmins, supposed to have given their honest advices for the benefit of the society or the individual. Note, we are talking of ideal

& honest cases here, for we all know any dishonesty in any profession surely will be punished either by law or his own karma when the time comes. Now, tell me where the said "Daridra Yoga" prevail ?? With regards, Sreeram_Srinivas

Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now

[Guest guest]

Dear Chirajivji,

 

Saturn being a contracting planet, its connection to 4H, with some

connection to 6H indicates chest problems....Ashtma, Cardiac,...is

possible.

 

For making predictions on transit positions, you should consider only

transit planets - keep the lagna same, put all transit positions & then

predict considering the dasha pattern, vis-a-vis the natal position and

then make the prediction....merely transit planet in a house....though

it indicates few things...but one can simply go wrong also....

 

With regards,

 

Sreeram_Srinivas

 

 

 

Mundane predictions have their own place to predict for the society at

large.

 

In my example I have seen that people who have/ or have aspect of Saturn

on 4th house and 4th lord are suseptable to TB, chest infections.Subject

to MD etc.

 

Now Saturn is passing thru those signs of Zodiac where it is more

powerful. So it will not be wrong to anticipate some spike in such

cases. It is like predicting spike in oil prices as per mevements of

Saturn. All the learned Seniors including the new members will do well

to share their knowledge.

 

Dattaji, as for the Govt. and its stability, Feb-March transit of Sun in

Aquarius will be a test case. Also Mars moving from retrogade to Forward

motion in Jan. end can bring about a geological event or two. Musharaf's

life may also be in danger.

 

Thanks & Regards.

Chiranjiv

[Guest guest]

Yes, Mr.Souvik Dutta, thats good.That is the Self (Atman), which always pricks the person to restore himself to its purity, who cares for it. But people are there who are money-minded and run the companies/organisations killing their Self and order their subordinates not to follow any righteous path. Keep it up. Congrats.With regards,D.Ramakrishnan.Souvik Dutta <explore_vulcan wrote: Dear Sunil-ji, I consider myself I very open-minded person. I see your point too. Yes, I agree that when

it comes to profession, IT professionals or doctors are for that matter any individual would do just the same as astrologers in hiding or justifying their mistakes. If I stand here criticising only the astrologers and making them look that they donot have a right to a good professional life, I being no more than a mere hypocrite. I agree with you that astrologers have a right to profession as much as any other individual. I humbly admit that since I am a hobbist I didnot see this reality until I saw your mail and thought about this issue deeply. But, now speaking on behalf of the whole professional astrology community, I would like to put forth some facts. Again, my views here are completely for the professional astrology community and not astrology as such: 1) Since the Government has not constructed any recognized body or association for this, many of the general public (who could

be prespective clients) has confusion who is correct. 2) Professional astrologers like any other professional in the world today is fond of claiming they are better than the others. Lack of unity or an organization or group work makes professional astrologers look questionable in the eyes of modern population. 3) India is going cosmopolitan. Soon even rural India will be exposed to the world..the process has already started. People are learning to question, and unless the professional astrology community can answer their questions, the client base will keep decreasing. Every field has its issues and trust me when I look back on my own career as a software professional, I see things which is no better than what I was criticising. I was working for 4 years in a leading IT firm based out of India doing business all over the world. Personally, although I have this obsession about truth, I

observed that in my firm, truth always would mean professional suicide. I have no shame in admitting my first major screw up. I was lucky to be in a one-man project on my first assignment interacting directly with my client in the US. It was a great oppurtunity and I loved working with him. Then there was a major misunderstanding and I ran a procedure on the production environment which I should have run only on the test environment. I realised it just a split second later. I called my manager (in India) and told about the incident. I told him that I should write an apology email to the client. He looked at me with astonishment and said "NO". He said we would have a one-one call with the client and explain the scenario. This was my first experience in hiding the truth. I later heard that it was a "SAVE my ASS" motto that often runs in such offshore companies. I felt terribly bad, trust me on this.

I couldn't come to terms with it and just couldn't rest with my peace of mind. After a year, the end of the project was near. There was a merger and I heard that my cleint manager, lets call him good old Joe, was leaving the company as well. I was about to get released and got an oppurtunity to travel to US on an assignment. Joe and I, although we never met, had a great bond but there was still fire inside me, because I held the truth from him. Even on the last day I didn't have the courage to tell him about my screw up. He gave me and my manager a two page official appreciation letter for my job done. After a few months, I was in the US of A. It took me a few months to get settled and then I called up Joe. Joe was very thrilled to receive my call. We spoke for hours and then I said that I had a confession to make. I reminded him of the incident and told me the truth, oh it was such a

relief-trust me. Joe was silent for a few seconds and then he said it was an honor for him to work with me. He said he knew all along although it was projected as a DBA messing up issue, but he and all his colleages knew about what happened. He said people knew how Indian offshore companies operate and the error margins that they need to project. However, he said he was very proud of me becoz even after a almost 2 years I had the "balls" to stand up for the truth. Well I slept that night as I would have never slept before and from that day I started writing apology emails for every screw-up I did. Today I work for an American company and I have to come to realise that admiting one's mistake is so much respected in this work culture and makes one so much more reliable and trust worthy that it is really worth the pain. Most of all, it makes me feel good Cheers! Souvik ---

In , "sunil nair" <astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > > > > hare ramakrishna, > > dear souvik , > > > > Yes what u said is true .But the problem is those who indulge in > mundane predictions they hav their own limitations .Still very laid out > pri nples are yet to see lime lite .As many r seeing the indepnedent > chart of a country or party chart . > > hardly sees the oath taking chart . > > I dont know who r the famous astrologers u r mentioning but this > predictions always given me curiosity as rishis tells us to take the > dasa according to longitivity ( max ) ,so 120 years in case of humans > may work ,but where as in case of countires what dasa

methods we can > follow ,in case of ministries what dasa ,is it comprssd dasa realy > giving results ,But if they predicted and u know them u can ask for > reasons for failure and they may giv their reasons ,And if it is a part > of a reserch u will abide with them .And it may revive atleast the > varahamihira tradition of predicting national charts .Tho there are some > methods like chakras and all that i never bothered to study it as there > is no attraction and even no governments are worried abt promoting or > helping in reserch . > > > > And i find one western frnd of mine who invited me to participate in his > reserch on sat +ketu conjns and fate of many countries and he shared me > his part of reserch applicable to their western countries and he find > some countries get affected but when i asked him how we can pin

point > with changing times and which may be the countires ,can we see in > advance he has no reply .Even now sani +ketu conjn is going on till > april last week . > > > > Again u shud thank them atleast the ministry faced near death and it was > the problems in bengal ( nadi gram ) helped the survival of ministry .So > they could tell atleast that much .Or all predictions shud be taged with > a statutary warning in cigarette packs --if u happened to see the famous > astro Magazine ( except brahma----) refer the first page . > > > > Here i was mentioning abt the paid or un paid controversy happened in > grp ( and u can see or read the article again abt what is happening in > heart land of astrology and prashna sastra ) There all astrologers very > wel paid and given good status also . > >

> > And in person to person readings ur credibilty than sitting in TV and > arrange calls to be recvd in edited way .There customer is deciding whom > to conct ,And their they r not looking for who is giving free > predictions and then lament that astrologer cheat me and this astrologer > cheat me on poojas or stones .( when society supports any sastra will > grow ) .Here what is happening we hav lot of institute products and they > start daignising the diseases themself and then miserably fails . ( off > cource i must black sheeps are every where but those who givs free > predictions how they survive unless they terrorise customer and make > them shell out money ) . > > > > And mind it still any sastra has to yet to achieve 100% perfection > in anything .Whether its rocket science or robotics ,all areas we r >

ready to fail and put in lot of funds for further reserch ( at least in > non spiritual materialistic dallar countires or euro or u call any > currency ) .But here we need a vidoe graphed for future ( u shud tell > the storey liek happening in a movie ) predictions with 100% accuracy > at the cost of a miss cal or just at the press of a button and they are > sitting in their cosy offices all paid by employers and stealing their > work time . > > > > And we make sure that tru our spiritual mind the gurus die with > poverty and debt .And they never go beyond our assummed tradition of > no money astrology .I was pointing towards that trend esp in north part > of india and then in grps ( i dont need to tell the credibility of > majority into astro predictions in grps ) . > > > > Where as all major

granthas say never visit ur guru,a acharya ,a old > person ,a pregnant lady or a house with small kids without some thing in > ur hand atleast gifts or sweets . > > > > Hope u may look into the essence of the mail and atleast u may admit > that this trend will kill this noble tradition ( if u think its noble > and devine ) . > > Or if u feel hobbyists will carry the torch then i hav nothing to say . > > My point is it shud b given a status of any profession and then ppl will > learn how to pay amply .Than forcing them to cheat others .If u hav a > problem or not . > > > > regrds sunil nair > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > > ,

"Souvik Dutta" > <explore_vulcan@> wrote: > > > > Dear member, > > > > I donot intend to sound like a skeptic but I see an issue with most > > coverages about astrologers. > > > > The issue is alomost all of them appear to be as advertisements. > > > > It appears that none of the predictions the individual made ever > > failed. > > > > Thats not true at all. Although it might have economic setbacks for > > the astrologer, it does in the long run establish his credibilities. > > > > As example: Two very famous Indian astrologers predicted that the > > present Indian government would not complete its full-term and that > > after 2.5 years, mid-way in its term, the present government would > > fail. > > > > These two individuals didn't say it

in private, one of them went far > > enough to put it in audio and upload it on a webpage and the other > > published it on his website. > > > > Now this prediction failed so miserably (and is still failing) that I > > inquired from one of them (respectfully) where he might have went > > wrong in his analysis so that the community might learn from the > > mistakes. > > > > Silence is what I received in response. > > > > If we donot record our failures and dont talk equally about it as we > > talk about our success, we are cheating others and our selves. > > > > I am not expecting roaring Sun-like honesty like Gandhi who has the > > courage to talk about his desires for his wife when his father was in > > his death-bed. Ordinary men donot have the courage to face truth even > >

to themselves with such bare nakedness. > > > > However, just admitting to the fact that one is not perfect and that > > one has made mistakes in his/her predictions is the least expected > > from an honest astrologer. > > > > Regards, > > > > Souvik > > > > , "sunil nair" > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hare rama krishna. > > > > > > i am sending an a non astro mail tho it may interst to some > > one .Here > > > its a news paper report abt one of the leading astrologer from > > kerala.I > > > think the breed of astrologers from kerala is pet of IT ( income tax

> > > dept also ) as some astrologer was raided with 5 crore ruppees > > > unaccounted money . > > > > > > > > > > > > ieGod's own gods > > > Thursday July 27 2006 16:44 IST > > > > > > Manoj K Das > > > > > > > > > > > > Parappanangadi Unnikrishnan > > > > > > He promises the kingdom to the beggar, riches to the pauper, > > knowledge > > > to the fool, beauty to the ugly, or any unimaginable possibility to > > the > > > most undeserving person. > > > > > > Simply whisper the date, place and time of birth and watch with awe > > how > > > a constellation of cowries dances to his intuition to recreate the > > past, > > > present and future on a wooden plank

even as you join him for a > > > walk-the-talk about yourself. > > > > > > This is Mr Astrologer from Kerala, the interface between the > > earthly and > > > the celestial, playing the dual role of rearview mirror and halogen > > > headlamps. Surfing on a sea of affluence, his penury is a chapter in > > > past tense. His present is among the opulent elite: a tantric > > > jet-setting between the world capitals keeping track of planets on a > > > wi-fi laptop. And whenever in transit in Kerala, he hops from one TV > > > station to the other, predicting your day, week, month and year. > > > > > > He is the corporate troubleshooter too; preaching business solutions > > > that IIMs can't teach. > > > > > > Meet Parappanagadi Unnikrishnan, astrology's most

successful > > > ambassador, official adviser to the Government of Sri Lanka, > > consultant > > > to Condoleezza Rice and Bill Clinton, friend of Embekki, Finance > > > Minister of Uganda: You need a 5GB hard disk to store the list of > > his > > > international contacts alone. . > > > > > > "Like other youngsters of my community, the basic lessons were > > > taught by my father Narayana Panicker and I joined my uncle Kumara > > > Panicker in Coimbatore for further research," he says about his > > > association with Tamil Nadu, the land that catapulted him to fame. > > > "It all began with an ashtamangala prasnam at the Sri Rama temple, > > > Vellore, in which I could read that eight temples that once existed > > in > > > its neighbourhood were lying under layers

of soil. Excavations > > proved > > > this true and they were renovated. Since then thousands consult me > > from > > > Tamil Nadu." > > > > > > Unnikrishna Panicker soon crossed the shores of Tamil Nadu to > > advise Sri > > > Lanka on war, crossed the pacific to reach US before travelling to > > other > > > developed nations. For obvious reasons, he refuses to divulge > > details of > > > his connections with nations and world leaders. Every astrologer has > > > similar stories. But not many have mastered the art of translating > > > success into riches. > > > > > > There's a flip side to this coin. "For astrologers like > > > Soolapani Varier, money is the last of the priorities. They live > > like > > > hermits, never

bothering to corner a space in public eye. But their > > > generation is facing extinction," points out Vimala. > > > > > > True, especially when analysed against the backdrop of channel- > > hogging > > > astrologers enjoying a rating equivalent to prime time soaps. > > Starting > > > from Attukal Radhakrishnan, who first occupied this niche, all > > channels > > > boast resident astrologers. The programme is today a phone-in slot > > where > > > solutions are given live. Apart from Attukal Radhakrishnan's > > > Anantham Ajnatham, Asianet also features Kanipayoor Namoothiripad in > > > their morning show Suprabhatham. "Earlier, I used to go to their > > > studio for the shoot. But now I beam it from my house," Kanipayoor > > > told The New Sunday Express. Surya

channel competes with Rasichakram > > > chaired by Sreekumar. > > > > > > Astrologers like Alur Unnikrishna Panicker are happy writing > > horoscopes > > > of rivers and forests out of academic interest. Alur first wrote the > > > horoscope of Bharathapuzha, the vanishing lifeline of Kerala. He > > > predicted that the river's slow death will begin in the sixties. And > > > four decades later, Kerala painfully acknowledges his credibility as > > > they watch the river gasping for breath. > > > > > > "Credibility of Kerala astrologers was never in question. > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Sreenadh" > > > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Chiranjiv ji, > > > > It is alone in Kerala that astrologers are not that poor and live > > a > > > > moderate good life - because free reading beggars are so few > > there; > > > and > > > > for certain every client pays at least 50 to 100 Rupees. The good > > > > astrologers going for Tamboola prasna or Deva prasa gets paid > > > > accordingly (based on their knowledge and reputation) from 2000 to > > > 20000 > > > > for a day. Even if he is a normal astrologer is

not knowledgeable > > > enough > > > > to handle a Deva prashna (Temple prashna), then too at least 10 > > people > > > > would be visiting him per day providing an income of at leat 500 > > to > > > 1000 > > > > rupees a day. > > > > But it is the stingy free reading beggars, that degraded > > astrology to > > > > 'Daridra vidya' in their view (actually the hell they created) - > > but > > > in > > > > Kerala astrology is NOT a Daridra vidya but a reputed one - yes, > > but > > > may > > > > not be as reputed as modern day professions such as IT, Doctor and > > > > Engineer - the mania of the parents. > > > > Love and regards, > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > >

> > > > > <Chiranjeev Mehta wrote....> > > > > Re: Astrology_Practising > > > > > > > > Dear Sreeramji, > > > > > > > > It was not Baqayaji but I who said it. He was just negating it. > > Yes I > > > > have heard it from many astrologers themselves., I think it goes > > like > > > > this : Godess laksmiji cursed all brahmins that they would remain > > > berfet > > > > of great wealth because Sage Bhrigu ( I think) had kicked Lord > > Vishnu > > > > because of a percieved insult, when the lord was asleep and did > > not > > > get > > > > up to recieve him. > > > > > > > > In these "professional days" the curse is not limited only to a > > > >

community but those who practise their trade. > > > > > > > > As told by a brahmin himself to me. > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 12/1/08, sreeram srinivas sreeram64@ wrote: > > > > > > > > sreeram srinivas sreeram64@ > > > > Re: Astrology_Practising > > > > > > > > Saturday, 12 January, 2008, 4:07 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Baqayaji, > > > > > > > > Good to know that you are a practising astro with 25+ yrs > > > > experience. > > > > Can you tell me the logic of selectively applying the "Daridra" > > > > curse to

> > > > those professionals only ??? Can you explain why Late Sri C.S. > > Patel > > > > or Late Sri P.S. Sastri inspite of them being seldome involved in > > > > any > > > > "professional astrology" in any manner during their entire life > > > > time.....also happens to be the biggest contributors to modern > > > > astrology > > > > ?? > > > > > > > > From when in the history that this great super science i.e. Divine > > > > Science started becoming a "Daridra Vidya" ?? In which Puranas is > > it > > > > written ?? It would be interesting to know about this "missing > > > > pieces > > > > of knowledge" from learned members..... !!! > > > > > > > > Would appreciate anyone who can throw light on

this..... > > > > > > > > With regards > > > > > > > > Sreeram_Srinivas > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Rup Krishen > > > > Baqaya" > > > > rkbaqaya@ .> wrote: > > > > > > > > My dear friend, I have studied astrology for 25 years now,but by > > no > > > > standards i can be called daridra.I know of many many very well to > > > > do > > > > ppl > > > > who study astrology.In my opinion the curse if any applies to ppl > > > > who > > > > practice astrology in a professional way and not to ppl who merely > > > > study > > > > it. RK > > > > > > > > On Jan 12, 2008 2:24 PM, chiranjiv mehta

vchiranjiv@ .. wrote: > > > > > > > > > Yes Nairji is true in some of his observations, examples. > > Astrology > > > > is a > > > > "Daridra Vidya". It reduces wealth. That is due to a curse > > according > > > > to > > > > our > > > > texts by Mata Laxmi ( I think). > > > > > > > > Such childish remarks "is astrology a figment of imagination etc" > > > > was > > > > going to invoke unnecessary arguments and waste of time.That is > > the > > > > reason > > > > why I had written the first mail. People want definative results - > > > > like > > > > a > > > > T.V. remote. They do not understand that even our gods took birth > > to > > > > rectify

any wrongs. They did not reach for the remote like we do. > > As > > > > for > > > > disbelief in astrology : you can continue to work irrespective of > > > > bad/good > > > > times irrespective of fate helping you or no and god does reward > > > > such a > > > > karmayogi, however that does not mean astrology does not exist. > > When > > > > you > > > > undergo some trials & tribulations - that is the time you can > > decide > > > > and > > > > exclaim whatever you want. > > > > > > > > > >

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Dear Souvik ji, Of course many of their predictions fail. But the fact remains that to evaluate the reliability or non-reliability or capabilities of some very good Kerela astrologers, you should have first hand experience about them. Why don't plan a trip to kerala, get some Deva prasna video filmed, listen to some Prashna which was usually attended by more than 500 to 1500 people? I know that the prediction you are mentioning is of KN Rao - what wonder is there if some of his predictions fail? I know that every good astrologer will make many good predictions and would miserably fail in some others; that is quite usual as they too are normal human beings - but some who dedicated their life for the study of astrology. Just like doctors who may cure or fail in judging the disease of a patient (because of his knowledge limitations, circumstances, medicines used and so on) the astrologer is also sure to fail in many instances - no wonder in it. What should be valued is one's own sincerity to this subject and knowledge he acquired which helps him to arrive at many right conclusions at many instances and the ability to reveal facts unknown even to the people who interact with it regularly. Instead of viewing even capable astrologers as super human being - we should try to know and understand them as normal human beings with dedication and sincerely and a good guru parampara. Love and regards,Sreenadh

, "Souvik Dutta" <explore_vulcan wrote:>> Dear member,> > I donot intend to sound like a skeptic but I see an issue with most > coverages about astrologers.> > The issue is alomost all of them appear to be as advertisements.> > It appears that none of the predictions the individual made ever > failed. > > Thats not true at all. Although it might have economic setbacks for > the astrologer, it does in the long run establish his credibilities.> > As example: Two very famous Indian astrologers predicted that the > present Indian government would not complete its full-term and that > after 2.5 years, mid-way in its term, the present government would > fail.> > These two individuals didn't say it in private, one of them went far > enough to put it in audio and upload it on a webpage and the other > published it on his website.> > Now this prediction failed so miserably (and is still failing) that I > inquired from one of them (respectfully) where he might have went > wrong in his analysis so that the community might learn from the > mistakes.> > Silence is what I received in response.> > If we donot record our failures and dont talk equally about it as we > talk about our success, we are cheating others and our selves.> > I am not expecting roaring Sun-like honesty like Gandhi who has the > courage to talk about his desires for his wife when his father was in > his death-bed. Ordinary men donot have the courage to face truth even > to themselves with such bare nakedness.> > However, just admitting to the fact that one is not perfect and that > one has made mistakes in his/her predictions is the least expected > from an honest astrologer.> > Regards,> > Souvik> > , "sunil nair" > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> >> > > > > > > > hare rama krishna.> > > > i am sending an a non astro mail tho it may interst to some > one .Here> > its a news paper report abt one of the leading astrologer from > kerala.I> > think the breed of astrologers from kerala is pet of IT ( income tax> > dept also ) as some astrologer was raided with 5 crore ruppees> > unaccounted money .> > > > > > > > ieGod's own gods> > Thursday July 27 2006 16:44 IST> > > > Manoj K Das> > > > > > > > Parappanangadi Unnikrishnan> > > > He promises the kingdom to the beggar, riches to the pauper, > knowledge> > to the fool, beauty to the ugly, or any unimaginable possibility to > the> > most undeserving person.> > > > Simply whisper the date, place and time of birth and watch with awe > how> > a constellation of cowries dances to his intuition to recreate the > past,> > present and future on a wooden plank even as you join him for a> > walk-the-talk about yourself.> > > > This is Mr Astrologer from Kerala, the interface between the > earthly and> > the celestial, playing the dual role of rearview mirror and halogen> > headlamps. Surfing on a sea of affluence, his penury is a chapter in> > past tense. His present is among the opulent elite: a tantric> > jet-setting between the world capitals keeping track of planets on a> > wi-fi laptop. And whenever in transit in Kerala, he hops from one TV> > station to the other, predicting your day, week, month and year.> > > > He is the corporate troubleshooter too; preaching business solutions> > that IIMs can't teach.> > > > Meet Parappanagadi Unnikrishnan, astrology's most successful> > ambassador, official adviser to the Government of Sri Lanka, > consultant> > to Condoleezza Rice and Bill Clinton, friend of Embekki, Finance> > Minister of Uganda: You need a 5GB hard disk to store the list of > his> > international contacts alone. .> > > > "Like other youngsters of my community, the basic lessons were> > taught by my father Narayana Panicker and I joined my uncle Kumara> > Panicker in Coimbatore for further research," he says about his> > association with Tamil Nadu, the land that catapulted him to fame.> > "It all began with an ashtamangala prasnam at the Sri Rama temple,> > Vellore, in which I could read that eight temples that once existed > in> > its neighbourhood were lying under layers of soil. Excavations > proved> > this true and they were renovated. Since then thousands consult me > from> > Tamil Nadu."> > > > Unnikrishna Panicker soon crossed the shores of Tamil Nadu to > advise Sri> > Lanka on war, crossed the pacific to reach US before travelling to > other> > developed nations. For obvious reasons, he refuses to divulge > details of> > his connections with nations and world leaders. Every astrologer has> > similar stories. But not many have mastered the art of translating> > success into riches.> > > > There's a flip side to this coin. "For astrologers like> > Soolapani Varier, money is the last of the priorities. They live > like> > hermits, never bothering to corner a space in public eye. But their> > generation is facing extinction," points out Vimala.> > > > True, especially when analysed against the backdrop of channel-> hogging> > astrologers enjoying a rating equivalent to prime time soaps. > Starting> > from Attukal Radhakrishnan, who first occupied this niche, all > channels> > boast resident astrologers. The programme is today a phone-in slot > where> > solutions are given live. Apart from Attukal Radhakrishnan's> > Anantham Ajnatham, Asianet also features Kanipayoor Namoothiripad in> > their morning show Suprabhatham. "Earlier, I used to go to their> > studio for the shoot. But now I beam it from my house," Kanipayoor> > told The New Sunday Express. Surya channel competes with Rasichakram> > chaired by Sreekumar.> > > > Astrologers like Alur Unnikrishna Panicker are happy writing > horoscopes> > of rivers and forests out of academic interest. Alur first wrote the> > horoscope of Bharathapuzha, the vanishing lifeline of Kerala. He> > predicted that the river's slow death will begin in the sixties. And> > four decades later, Kerala painfully acknowledges his credibility as> > they watch the river gasping for breath.> > > > "Credibility of Kerala astrologers was never in question.> > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Sreenadh"> > <sreesog@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Chiranjiv ji,> > > It is alone in Kerala that astrologers are not that poor and live > a> > > moderate good life - because free reading beggars are so few > there;> > and> > > for certain every client pays at least 50 to 100 Rupees. The good> > > astrologers going for Tamboola prasna or Deva prasa gets paid> > > accordingly (based on their knowledge and reputation) from 2000 to> > 20000> > > for a day. Even if he is a normal astrologer is not knowledgeable> > enough> > > to handle a Deva prashna (Temple prashna), then too at least 10 > people> > > would be visiting him per day providing an income of at leat 500 > to> > 1000> > > rupees a day.> > > But it is the stingy free reading beggars, that degraded > astrology to> > > 'Daridra vidya' in their view (actually the hell they created) - > but> > in> > > Kerala astrology is NOT a Daridra vidya but a reputed one - yes, > but> > may> > > not be as reputed as modern day professions such as IT, Doctor and> > > Engineer - the mania of the parents.> > > Love and regards,> > > Sreenadh> > >> > >> > > <Chiranjeev Mehta wrote....>> > > Re: Astrology_Practising> > >> > > Dear Sreeramji,> > >> > > It was not Baqayaji but I who said it. He was just negating it. > Yes I> > > have heard it from many astrologers themselves., I think it goes > like> > > this : Godess laksmiji cursed all brahmins that they would remain> > berfet> > > of great wealth because Sage Bhrigu ( I think) had kicked Lord > Vishnu> > > because of a percieved insult, when the lord was asleep and did > not> > get> > > up to recieve him.> > >> > > In these "professional days" the curse is not limited only to a> > > community but those who practise their trade.> > >> > > As told by a brahmin himself to me.> > >> > > --- On Sat, 12/1/08, sreeram srinivas sreeram64@ wrote:> > >> > > sreeram srinivas sreeram64@> > > Re: Astrology_Practising> > > > > > Saturday, 12 January, 2008, 4:07 PM> > >> > >> > > Dear Baqayaji,> > >> > > Good to know that you are a practising astro with 25+ yrs> > > experience.> > > Can you tell me the logic of selectively applying the "Daridra"> > > curse to> > > those professionals only ??? Can you explain why Late Sri C.S. > Patel> > > or Late Sri P.S. Sastri inspite of them being seldome involved in> > > any> > > "professional astrology" in any manner during their entire life> > > time.....also happens to be the biggest contributors to modern> > > astrology> > > ??> > >> > > From when in the history that this great super science i.e. Divine> > > Science started becoming a "Daridra Vidya" ?? In which Puranas is > it> > > written ?? It would be interesting to know about this "missing> > > pieces> > > of knowledge" from learned members..... !!!> > >> > > Would appreciate anyone who can throw light on this.....> > >> > > With regards> > >> > > Sreeram_Srinivas> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Rup Krishen> > > Baqaya"> > > rkbaqaya@ .> wrote:> > >> > > My dear friend, I have studied astrology for 25 years now,but by > no> > > standards i can be called daridra.I know of many many very well to> > > do> > > ppl> > > who study astrology.In my opinion the curse if any applies to ppl> > > who> > > practice astrology in a professional way and not to ppl who merely> > > study> > > it. RK> > >> > > On Jan 12, 2008 2:24 PM, chiranjiv mehta vchiranjiv@ .. wrote:> > > >> > > Yes Nairji is true in some of his observations, examples. > Astrology> > > is a> > > "Daridra Vidya". It reduces wealth. That is due to a curse > according> > > to> > > our> > > texts by Mata Laxmi ( I think).> > >> > > Such childish remarks "is astrology a figment of imagination etc"> > > was> > > going to invoke unnecessary arguments and waste of time.That is > the> > > reason> > > why I had written the first mail. People want definative results -> > > like> > > a> > > T.V. remote. They do not understand that even our gods took birth > to> > > rectify any wrongs. They did not reach for the remote like we do. > As> > > for> > > disbelief in astrology : you can continue to work irrespective of> > > bad/good> > > times irrespective of fate helping you or no and god does reward> > > such a> > > karmayogi, however that does not mean astrology does not exist. > When> > > you> > > undergo some trials & tribulations - that is the time you can > decide> > > and> > > exclaim whatever you want.> > >> >>

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Dear Members,

 

Like in world there are group of Optimistics & Pessimists....then we

also have those sitting on the wall....not knowing which side to

jump....

 

This reminds of a Budhist parable, where two monks on their way had to

cross a bridge...and a beautiful young lady....unable to cross on her

for fear or ..etc..reason...so the monk helps her to cross...by lifting

her into his arm....contrary to the Budhists restrictions.....having

successfully crossed...and a week passed.....yet the second monk is lost

in that incident...that the rule is broken...monk touching a young

beautiful lady...sanctity is lost..etc....later only to be remarked by

the Guruji or the first monk himself..the he left the lady at the bridge

itself...while the second monk is still carrying her ...in his

imagination...

 

So a few predictions going wrong.... by Sri K.N. Rao in his long career

as a Professional is nothing in contrast to what he successfully

foretold.....see the brighter side of the subject.....not the darker

side...unless you are doing a risk analysis.....there is no play of life

here....

 

Further, Sri K.N. Rao has been honest with his prediction....even if

wrong....he admitted....first get your basics right ....then think over

what others have said and what they have learnt from that

mistakes...rather than brooding over other's failed

predictions......i.e. counting numbers.....

 

Give me any other recordable & sincere instances where people have been

successful w.r.t. to Sri Rao....further he has excellent record

keeping.....

 

To me, one has right to comment on others failed predictions only when

you yourself have crossed a satisfactory record of success....and it can

be compared with that of those on whom you want to comment....till

then....silence is better......

 

With regards,

 

Sreeram_Srinivas

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Dear Souvik ji, Of course many of their predictions fail. But the fact remains that to evaluate the reliability or non-reliability or capabilities of some very good Kerela astrologers, you should have first hand experience about them. Why don't plan a trip to kerala, get some Deva prasna video filmed, listen to some Prashna which was usually attended by more than 500 to 1500 people? I know that the prediction you are mentioning is of KN Rao - what wonder is there if some of his predictions fail? I know that every good astrologer will make many good predictions and would miserably fail in some others; that is quite usual as they too are normal human beings - but some who dedicated their life for the study of astrology. Just like doctors who may cure or fail in judging the disease of a patient (because of his knowledge limitations, circumstances, medicines used and so on) the astrologer is also sure to fail in many instances - no wonder in it. What should be valued is one's own sincerity to this subject and knowledge he acquired which helps him to arrive at many right conclusions at many instances and the ability to reveal facts unknown even to the people who interact with it regularly. Instead of viewing even capable astrologers as super human being - we should try to know and understand them as normal human beings with dedication and sincerely and a good guru parampara. Love and regards,Sreenadh , "Souvik Dutta" <explore_vulcan wrote:>> Dear member,> > I donot intend to sound like a skeptic but I see an issue with most > coverages about astrologers.> > The issue is alomost all of them appear to be as advertisements.> > It appears that none of the predictions the individual made ever > failed. > > Thats not true at all. Although it might have economic setbacks for > the astrologer, it does in the long run establish his credibilities.> > As example: Two very famous Indian astrologers predicted that the > present Indian government would not complete its full-term and that > after 2.5 years, mid-way in its term, the present government would > fail.> > These two individuals didn't say it in private, one of them went far > enough to put it in audio and upload it on a webpage and the other > published it on his website.> > Now this prediction failed so miserably (and is still failing) that I > inquired from one of them (respectfully) where he might have went > wrong in his analysis so that the community might learn from the > mistakes.> > Silence is what I received in response.> > If we donot record our failures and dont talk equally about it as we > talk about our success, we are cheating others and our selves.> > I am not expecting roaring Sun-like honesty like Gandhi who has the > courage to talk about his desires for his wife when his father was in > his death-bed. Ordinary men donot have the courage to face truth even > to themselves with such bare nakedness.> > However, just admitting to the fact that one is not perfect and that > one has made mistakes in his/her predictions is the least expected > from an honest astrologer.> > Regards,> > Souvik> > , "sunil nair" > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> >> > > > > > > > hare rama krishna.> > > > i am sending an a non astro mail tho it may interst to some > one .Here> > its a news paper report abt one of the leading astrologer from > kerala.I> > think the breed of astrologers from kerala is pet of IT ( income tax> > dept also ) as some astrologer was raided with 5 crore ruppees> > unaccounted money .> > > > > > > > ieGod's own gods> > Thursday July 27 2006 16:44 IST> > > > Manoj K Das> > > > > > > > Parappanangadi Unnikrishnan> > > > He promises the kingdom to the beggar, riches to the pauper, > knowledge> > to the fool, beauty to the ugly, or any unimaginable possibility to > the> > most undeserving person.> > > > Simply whisper the date, place and time of birth and watch with awe > how> > a constellation of cowries dances to his intuition to recreate the > past,> > present and future on a wooden plank even as you join him for a> > walk-the-talk about yourself.> > > > This is Mr Astrologer from Kerala, the interface between the > earthly and> > the celestial, playing the dual role of rearview mirror and halogen> > headlamps. Surfing on a sea of affluence, his penury is a chapter in> > past tense. His present is among the opulent elite: a tantric> > jet-setting between the world capitals keeping track of planets on a> > wi-fi laptop. And whenever in transit in Kerala, he hops from one TV> > station to the other, predicting your day, week, month and year.> > > > He is the corporate troubleshooter too; preaching business solutions> > that IIMs can't teach.> > > > Meet Parappanagadi Unnikrishnan, astrology's most successful> > ambassador, official adviser to the Government of Sri Lanka, > consultant> > to Condoleezza Rice and Bill Clinton, friend of Embekki, Finance> > Minister of Uganda: You need a 5GB hard disk to store the list of > his> > international contacts alone. .> > > > "Like other youngsters of my community, the basic lessons were> > taught by my father Narayana Panicker and I joined my uncle Kumara> > Panicker in Coimbatore for further research," he says about his> > association with Tamil Nadu, the land that catapulted him to fame.> > "It all began with an ashtamangala prasnam at the Sri Rama temple,> > Vellore, in which I could read that eight temples that once existed > in> > its neighbourhood were lying under layers of soil. Excavations > proved> > this true and they were renovated. Since then thousands consult me > from> > Tamil Nadu."> > > > Unnikrishna Panicker soon crossed the shores of Tamil Nadu to > advise Sri> > Lanka on war, crossed the pacific to reach US before travelling to > other> > developed nations. For obvious reasons, he refuses to divulge > details of> > his connections with nations and world leaders. Every astrologer has> > similar stories. But not many have mastered the art of translating> > success into riches.> > > > There's a flip side to this coin. "For astrologers like> > Soolapani Varier, money is the last of the priorities. They live > like> > hermits, never bothering to corner a space in public eye. But their> > generation is facing extinction," points out Vimala.> > > > True, especially when analysed against the backdrop of channel-> hogging> > astrologers enjoying a rating equivalent to prime time soaps. > Starting> > from Attukal Radhakrishnan, who first occupied this niche, all > channels> > boast resident astrologers. The programme is today a phone-in slot > where> > solutions are given live. Apart from Attukal Radhakrishnan's> > Anantham Ajnatham, Asianet also features Kanipayoor Namoothiripad in> > their morning show Suprabhatham. "Earlier, I used to go to their> > studio for the shoot. But now I beam it from my house," Kanipayoor> > told The New Sunday Express. Surya channel competes with Rasichakram> > chaired by Sreekumar.> > > > Astrologers like Alur Unnikrishna Panicker are happy writing > horoscopes> > of rivers and forests out of academic interest. Alur first wrote the> > horoscope of Bharathapuzha, the vanishing lifeline of Kerala. He> > predicted that the river's slow death will begin in the sixties. And> > four decades later, Kerala painfully acknowledges his credibility as> > they watch the river gasping for breath.> > > > "Credibility of Kerala astrologers was never in question.> > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Sreenadh"> > <sreesog@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Chiranjiv ji,> > > It is alone in Kerala that astrologers are not that poor and live > a> > > moderate good life - because free reading beggars are so few > there;> > and> > > for certain every client pays at least 50 to 100 Rupees. The good> > > astrologers going for Tamboola prasna or Deva prasa gets paid> > > accordingly (based on their knowledge and reputation) from 2000 to> > 20000> > > for a day. Even if he is a normal astrologer is not knowledgeable> > enough> > > to handle a Deva prashna (Temple prashna), then too at least 10 > people> > > would be visiting him per day providing an income of at leat 500 > to> > 1000> > > rupees a day.> > > But it is the stingy free reading beggars, that degraded > astrology to> > > 'Daridra vidya' in their view (actually the hell they created) - > but> > in> > > Kerala astrology is NOT a Daridra vidya but a reputed one - yes, > but> > may> > > not be as reputed as modern day professions such as IT, Doctor and> > > Engineer - the mania of the parents.> > > Love and regards,> > > Sreenadh> > >> > >> > > <Chiranjeev Mehta wrote....>> > > Re: Astrology_Practising> > >> > > Dear Sreeramji,> > >> > > It was not Baqayaji but I who said it. He was just negating it. > Yes I> > > have heard it from many astrologers themselves., I think it goes > like> > > this : Godess laksmiji cursed all brahmins that they would remain> > berfet> > > of great wealth because Sage Bhrigu ( I think) had kicked Lord > Vishnu> > > because of a percieved insult, when the lord was asleep and did > not> > get> > > up to recieve him.> > >> > > In these "professional days" the curse is not limited only to a> > > community but those who practise their trade.> > >> > > As told by a brahmin himself to me.> > >> > > --- On Sat, 12/1/08, sreeram srinivas sreeram64@ wrote:> > >> > > sreeram srinivas sreeram64@> > > Re: Astrology_Practising> > > > > > Saturday, 12 January, 2008, 4:07 PM> > >> > >> > > Dear Baqayaji,> > >> > > Good to know that you are a practising astro with 25+ yrs> > > experience.> > > Can you tell me the logic of selectively applying the "Daridra"> > > curse to> > > those professionals only ??? Can you explain why Late Sri C.S. > Patel> > > or Late Sri P.S. Sastri inspite of them being seldome involved in> > > any> > > "professional astrology" in any manner during their entire life> > > time.....also happens to be the biggest contributors to modern> > > astrology> > > ??> > >> > > From when in the history that this great super science i.e. Divine> > > Science started becoming a "Daridra Vidya" ?? In which Puranas is > it> > > written ?? It would be interesting to know about this "missing> > > pieces> > > of knowledge" from learned members..... !!!> > >> > > Would appreciate anyone who can throw light on this.....> > >> > > With regards> > >> > > Sreeram_Srinivas> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Rup Krishen> > > Baqaya"> > > rkbaqaya@ .> wrote:> > >> > > My dear friend, I have studied astrology for 25 years now,but by > no> > > standards i can be called daridra.I know of many many very well to> > > do> > > ppl> > > who study astrology.In my opinion the curse if any applies to ppl> > > who> > > practice astrology in a professional way and not to ppl who merely> > > study> > > it. RK> > >> > > On Jan 12, 2008 2:24 PM, chiranjiv mehta vchiranjiv@ .. wrote:> > > >> > > Yes Nairji is true in some of his observations, examples. > Astrology> > > is a> > > "Daridra Vidya". It reduces wealth. That is due to a curse > according> > > to> > > our> > > texts by Mata Laxmi ( I think).> > >> > > Such childish remarks "is astrology a figment of imagination etc"> > > was> > > going to invoke unnecessary arguments and waste of time.That is > the> > > reason> > > why I had written the first mail. People want definative results -> > > like> > > a> > > T.V. remote. They do not understand that even our gods took birth > to> > > rectify any wrongs. They did not reach for the remote like we do. > As> > > for> > > disbelief in astrology : you can continue to work irrespective of> > > bad/good> > > times irrespective of fate helping you or no and god does reward> > > such a> > > karmayogi, however that does not mean astrology does not exist. > When> > > you> > > undergo some trials & tribulations - that is the time you can > decide> > > and> > > exclaim whatever you want.> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Dear Sreeram ji,

 

Quote: " Further, Sri K.N. Rao has been honest with his

prediction....even if

wrong....he admitted....first get your basics right ....then think

over

what others have said and what they have learnt from that

mistakes...rather than brooding over other's failed

predictions......i.e. counting numbers..... " - unquote

 

Well said...I appreciate your ability to differentiate good & bad.

 

blessings

 

Renu

[Guest guest]

Dear Souvik ji, That was a great story! Thanks. I especially liked the last lines -==>> I have to come to realise > that admiting one's mistake is so much respected in this work culture > and makes one so much more reliable and trust worthy that it is > really worth the pain. Most of all, it makes me feel good <==Love and regards,Sreenadh , "Souvik Dutta" <explore_vulcan wrote:>> Dear Sunil-ji,> > I consider myself I very open-minded person. I see your point too.> > Yes, I agree that when it comes to profession, IT professionals or > doctors are for that matter any individual would do just the same as > astrologers in hiding or justifying their mistakes.> > If I stand here criticising only the astrologers and making them look > that they donot have a right to a good professional life, I being no > more than a mere hypocrite.> > I agree with you that astrologers have a right to profession as much > as any other individual.> > I humbly admit that since I am a hobbist I didnot see this reality > until I saw your mail and thought about this issue deeply.> > But, now speaking on behalf of the whole professional astrology > community, I would like to put forth some facts. Again, my views here > are completely for the professional astrology community and not > astrology as such:> 1) Since the Government has not constructed any recognized body or > association for this, many of the general public (who could be > prespective clients) has confusion who is correct.> 2) Professional astrologers like any other professional in the world > today is fond of claiming they are better than the others. Lack of > unity or an organization or group work makes professional astrologers > look questionable in the eyes of modern population.> 3) India is going cosmopolitan. Soon even rural India will be exposed > to the world..the process has already started. People are learning to > question, and unless the professional astrology community can answer > their questions, the client base will keep decreasing.> > Every field has its issues and trust me when I look back on my own > career as a software professional, I see things which is no better > than what I was criticising. > > I was working for 4 years in a leading IT firm based out of India > doing business all over the world. Personally, although I have this > obsession about truth, I observed that in my firm, truth always would > mean professional suicide.> > I have no shame in admitting my first major screw up. I was lucky to > be in a one-man project on my first assignment interacting directly > with my client in the US. It was a great oppurtunity and I loved > working with him. Then there was a major misunderstanding and I ran a > procedure on the production environment which I should have run only > on the test environment. I realised it just a split second later.> I called my manager (in India) and told about the incident. I told > him that I should write an apology email to the client. He looked at > me with astonishment and said "NO". He said we would have a one-one > call with the client and explain the scenario.> > This was my first experience in hiding the truth. I later heard that > it was a "SAVE my ASS" motto that often runs in such offshore > companies. I felt terribly bad, trust me on this. I couldn't come to > terms with it and just couldn't rest with my peace of mind.> > After a year, the end of the project was near. There was a merger and > I heard that my cleint manager, lets call him good old Joe, was > leaving the company as well. I was about to get released and got an > oppurtunity to travel to US on an assignment. Joe and I, although we > never met, had a great bond but there was still fire inside me, > because I held the truth from him. Even on the last day I didn't have > the courage to tell him about my screw up. He gave me and my manager > a two page official appreciation letter for my job done.> > After a few months, I was in the US of A. It took me a few months to > get settled and then I called up Joe. Joe was very thrilled to > receive my call. We spoke for hours and then I said that I had a > confession to make. I reminded him of the incident and told me the > truth, oh it was such a relief-trust me. Joe was silent for a few > seconds and then he said it was an honor for him to work with me. He > said he knew all along although it was projected as a DBA messing up > issue, but he and all his colleages knew about what happened. He said > people knew how Indian offshore companies operate and the error > margins that they need to project. However, he said he was very proud > of me becoz even after a almost 2 years I had the "balls" to stand up > for the truth.> > Well I slept that night as I would have never slept before and from > that day I started writing apology emails for every screw-up I did.> > Today I work for an American company and I have to come to realise > that admiting one's mistake is so much respected in this work culture > and makes one so much more reliable and trust worthy that it is > really worth the pain. Most of all, it makes me feel good > > Cheers!> > Souvik> > , "sunil nair" > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> >> > > > > > > > hare ramakrishna,> > > > dear souvik ,> > > > > > > > Yes what u said is true .But the problem is those who > indulge in> > mundane predictions they hav their own limitations .Still very laid > out> > pri nples are yet to see lime lite .As many r seeing the > indepnedent> > chart of a country or party chart .> > > > hardly sees the oath taking chart .> > > > I dont know who r the famous astrologers u r mentioning but this> > predictions always given me curiosity as rishis tells us to take > the> > dasa according to longitivity ( max ) ,so 120 years in case of > humans> > may work ,but where as in case of countires what dasa methods we can> > follow ,in case of ministries what dasa ,is it comprssd dasa realy> > giving results ,But if they predicted and u know them u can ask for> > reasons for failure and they may giv their reasons ,And if it is a > part> > of a reserch u will abide with them .And it may revive atleast the> > varahamihira tradition of predicting national charts .Tho there are > some> > methods like chakras and all that i never bothered to study it as > there> > is no attraction and even no governments are worried abt promoting > or> > helping in reserch .> > > > > > > > And i find one western frnd of mine who invited me to participate > in his> > reserch on sat +ketu conjns and fate of many countries and he > shared me> > his part of reserch applicable to their western countries and he > find> > some countries get affected but when i asked him how we can pin > point> > with changing times and which may be the countires ,can we see in > > advance he has no reply .Even now sani +ketu conjn is going on till> > april last week .> > > > > > > > Again u shud thank them atleast the ministry faced near death and > it was> > the problems in bengal ( nadi gram ) helped the survival of > ministry .So> > they could tell atleast that much .Or all predictions shud be taged > with> > a statutary warning in cigarette packs --if u happened to see the > famous> > astro Magazine ( except brahma----) refer the first page .> > > > > > > > Here i was mentioning abt the paid or un paid controversy happened > in> > grp ( and u can see or read the article again abt what is happening > in> > heart land of astrology and prashna sastra ) There all astrologers > very> > wel paid and given good status also .> > > > > > > > And in person to person readings ur credibilty than sitting in TV > and> > arrange calls to be recvd in edited way .There customer is deciding > whom> > to conct ,And their they r not looking for who is giving free> > predictions and then lament that astrologer cheat me and this > astrologer> > cheat me on poojas or stones .( when society supports any sastra > will> > grow ) .Here what is happening we hav lot of institute products and > they> > start daignising the diseases themself and then miserably fails . ( > off> > cource i must black sheeps are every where but those who givs free> > predictions how they survive unless they terrorise customer and make> > them shell out money ) .> > > > > > > > And mind it still any sastra has to yet to achieve 100% > perfection> > in anything .Whether its rocket science or robotics ,all areas we r> > ready to fail and put in lot of funds for further reserch ( at > least in> > non spiritual materialistic dallar countires or euro or u call any> > currency ) .But here we need a vidoe graphed for future ( u shud > tell> > the storey liek happening in a movie ) predictions with 100% > accuracy> > at the cost of a miss cal or just at the press of a button and they > are> > sitting in their cosy offices all paid by employers and stealing > their> > work time .> > > > > > > > And we make sure that tru our spiritual mind the gurus die with> > poverty and debt .And they never go beyond our assummed tradition > of> > no money astrology .I was pointing towards that trend esp in north > part> > of india and then in grps ( i dont need to tell the > credibility of> > majority into astro predictions in grps ) .> > > > > > > > Where as all major granthas say never visit ur guru,a acharya ,a old> > person ,a pregnant lady or a house with small kids without some > thing in> > ur hand atleast gifts or sweets .> > > > > > > > Hope u may look into the essence of the mail and atleast u may admit> > that this trend will kill this noble tradition ( if u think its > noble> > and devine ) .> > > > Or if u feel hobbyists will carry the torch then i hav nothing to > say .> > > > My point is it shud b given a status of any profession and then ppl > will> > learn how to pay amply .Than forcing them to cheat others .If u hav > a> > problem or not .> > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.> > > > > > > > > > , "Souvik Dutta"> > <explore_vulcan@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear member,> > >> > > I donot intend to sound like a skeptic but I see an issue with > most> > > coverages about astrologers.> > >> > > The issue is alomost all of them appear to be as advertisements.> > >> > > It appears that none of the predictions the individual made ever> > > failed.> > >> > > Thats not true at all. Although it might have economic setbacks > for> > > the astrologer, it does in the long run establish his > credibilities.> > >> > > As example: Two very famous Indian astrologers predicted that the> > > present Indian government would not complete its full-term and > that> > > after 2.5 years, mid-way in its term, the present government would> > > fail.> > >> > > These two individuals didn't say it in private, one of them went > far> > > enough to put it in audio and upload it on a webpage and the other> > > published it on his website.> > >> > > Now this prediction failed so miserably (and is still failing) > that I> > > inquired from one of them (respectfully) where he might have went> > > wrong in his analysis so that the community might learn from the> > > mistakes.> > >> > > Silence is what I received in response.> > >> > > If we donot record our failures and dont talk equally about it as > we> > > talk about our success, we are cheating others and our selves.> > >> > > I am not expecting roaring Sun-like honesty like Gandhi who has > the> > > courage to talk about his desires for his wife when his father > was in> > > his death-bed. Ordinary men donot have the courage to face truth > even> > > to themselves with such bare nakedness.> > >> > > However, just admitting to the fact that one is not perfect and > that> > > one has made mistakes in his/her predictions is the least expected> > > from an honest astrologer.> > >> > > Regards,> > >> > > Souvik> > >> > > , "sunil nair"> > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > hare rama krishna.> > > >> > > > i am sending an a non astro mail tho it may interst to some> > > one .Here> > > > its a news paper report abt one of the leading astrologer from> > > kerala.I> > > > think the breed of astrologers from kerala is pet of IT ( > income tax> > > > dept also ) as some astrologer was raided with 5 crore ruppees> > > > unaccounted money .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > ieGod's own gods> > > > Thursday July 27 2006 16:44 IST> > > >> > > > Manoj K Das> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Parappanangadi Unnikrishnan> > > >> > > > He promises the kingdom to the beggar, riches to the pauper,> > > knowledge> > > > to the fool, beauty to the ugly, or any unimaginable > possibility to> > > the> > > > most undeserving person.> > > >> > > > Simply whisper the date, place and time of birth and watch with > awe> > > how> > > > a constellation of cowries dances to his intuition to recreate > the> > > past,> > > > present and future on a wooden plank even as you join him for a> > > > walk-the-talk about yourself.> > > >> > > > This is Mr Astrologer from Kerala, the interface between the> > > earthly and> > > > the celestial, playing the dual role of rearview mirror and > halogen> > > > headlamps. Surfing on a sea of affluence, his penury is a > chapter in> > > > past tense. His present is among the opulent elite: a tantric> > > > jet-setting between the world capitals keeping track of planets > on a> > > > wi-fi laptop. And whenever in transit in Kerala, he hops from > one TV> > > > station to the other, predicting your day, week, month and year.> > > >> > > > He is the corporate troubleshooter too; preaching business > solutions> > > > that IIMs can't teach.> > > >> > > > Meet Parappanagadi Unnikrishnan, astrology's most successful> > > > ambassador, official adviser to the Government of Sri Lanka,> > > consultant> > > > to Condoleezza Rice and Bill Clinton, friend of Embekki, Finance> > > > Minister of Uganda: You need a 5GB hard disk to store the list > of> > > his> > > > international contacts alone. .> > > >> > > > "Like other youngsters of my community, the basic lessons were> > > > taught by my father Narayana Panicker and I joined my uncle > Kumara> > > > Panicker in Coimbatore for further research," he says about his> > > > association with Tamil Nadu, the land that catapulted him to > fame.> > > > "It all began with an ashtamangala prasnam at the Sri Rama > temple,> > > > Vellore, in which I could read that eight temples that once > existed> > > in> > > > its neighbourhood were lying under layers of soil. Excavations> > > proved> > > > this true and they were renovated. Since then thousands consult > me> > > from> > > > Tamil Nadu."> > > >> > > > Unnikrishna Panicker soon crossed the shores of Tamil Nadu to> > > advise Sri> > > > Lanka on war, crossed the pacific to reach US before travelling > to> > > other> > > > developed nations. For obvious reasons, he refuses to divulge> > > details of> > > > his connections with nations and world leaders. Every > astrologer has> > > > similar stories. But not many have mastered the art of > translating> > > > success into riches.> > > >> > > > There's a flip side to this coin. "For astrologers like> > > > Soolapani Varier, money is the last of the priorities. They live> > > like> > > > hermits, never bothering to corner a space in public eye. But > their> > > > generation is facing extinction," points out Vimala.> > > >> > > > True, especially when analysed against the backdrop of channel-> > > hogging> > > > astrologers enjoying a rating equivalent to prime time soaps.> > > Starting> > > > from Attukal Radhakrishnan, who first occupied this niche, all> > > channels> > > > boast resident astrologers. The programme is today a phone-in > slot> > > where> > > > solutions are given live. Apart from Attukal Radhakrishnan's> > > > Anantham Ajnatham, Asianet also features Kanipayoor > Namoothiripad in> > > > their morning show Suprabhatham. "Earlier, I used to go to their> > > > studio for the shoot. But now I beam it from my house," > Kanipayoor> > > > told The New Sunday Express. Surya channel competes with > Rasichakram> > > > chaired by Sreekumar.> > > >> > > > Astrologers like Alur Unnikrishna Panicker are happy writing> > > horoscopes> > > > of rivers and forests out of academic interest. Alur first > wrote the> > > > horoscope of Bharathapuzha, the vanishing lifeline of Kerala. He> > > > predicted that the river's slow death will begin in the > sixties. And> > > > four decades later, Kerala painfully acknowledges his > credibility as> > > > they watch the river gasping for breath.> > > >> > > > "Credibility of Kerala astrologers was never in question.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > regrds sunil nair> > > >> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > , "Sreenadh"> > > > <sreesog@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Chiranjiv ji,> > > > > It is alone in Kerala that astrologers are not that poor and > live> > > a> > > > > moderate good life - because free reading beggars are so few> > > there;> > > > and> > > > > for certain every client pays at least 50 to 100 Rupees. The > good> > > > > astrologers going for Tamboola prasna or Deva prasa gets paid> > > > > accordingly (based on their knowledge and reputation) from > 2000 to> > > > 20000> > > > > for a day. Even if he is a normal astrologer is not > knowledgeable> > > > enough> > > > > to handle a Deva prashna (Temple prashna), then too at least > 10> > > people> > > > > would be visiting him per day providing an income of at leat > 500> > > to> > > > 1000> > > > > rupees a day.> > > > > But it is the stingy free reading beggars, that degraded> > > astrology to> > > > > 'Daridra vidya' in their view (actually the hell they > created) -> > > but> > > > in> > > > > Kerala astrology is NOT a Daridra vidya but a reputed one - > yes,> > > but> > > > may> > > > > not be as reputed as modern day professions such as IT, > Doctor and> > > > > Engineer - the mania of the parents.> > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > Sreenadh> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > <Chiranjeev Mehta wrote....>> > > > > Re: Astrology_Practising> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sreeramji,> > > > >> > > > > It was not Baqayaji but I who said it. He was just negating > it.> > > Yes I> > > > > have heard it from many astrologers themselves., I think it > goes> > > like> > > > > this : Godess laksmiji cursed all brahmins that they would > remain> > > > berfet> > > > > of great wealth because Sage Bhrigu ( I think) had kicked Lord> > > Vishnu> > > > > because of a percieved insult, when the lord was asleep and > did> > > not> > > > get> > > > > up to recieve him.> > > > >> > > > > In these "professional days" the curse is not limited only to > a> > > > > community but those who practise their trade.> > > > >> > > > > As told by a brahmin himself to me.> > > > >> > > > > --- On Sat, 12/1/08, sreeram srinivas sreeram64@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > sreeram srinivas sreeram64@> > > > > Re: Astrology_Practising> > > > > > > > > > Saturday, 12 January, 2008, 4:07 PM> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Baqayaji,> > > > >> > > > > Good to know that you are a practising astro with 25+ yrs> > > > > experience.> > > > > Can you tell me the logic of selectively applying > the "Daridra"> > > > > curse to> > > > > those professionals only ??? Can you explain why Late Sri C.S.> > > Patel> > > > > or Late Sri P.S. Sastri inspite of them being seldome > involved in> > > > > any> > > > > "professional astrology" in any manner during their entire > life> > > > > time.....also happens to be the biggest contributors to modern> > > > > astrology> > > > > ??> > > > >> > > > > From when in the history that this great super science i.e. > Divine> > > > > Science started becoming a "Daridra Vidya" ?? In which > Puranas is> > > it> > > > > written ?? It would be interesting to know about this "missing> > > > > pieces> > > > > of knowledge" from learned members..... !!!> > > > >> > > > > Would appreciate anyone who can throw light on this.....> > > > >> > > > > With regards> > > > >> > > > > Sreeram_Srinivas> > > > >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Rup > Krishen> > > > > Baqaya"> > > > > rkbaqaya@ .> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > My dear friend, I have studied astrology for 25 years now,but > by> > > no> > > > > standards i can be called daridra.I know of many many very > well to> > > > > do> > > > > ppl> > > > > who study astrology.In my opinion the curse if any applies to > ppl> > > > > who> > > > > practice astrology in a professional way and not to ppl who > merely> > > > > study> > > > > it. RK> > > > >> > > > > On Jan 12, 2008 2:24 PM, chiranjiv mehta vchiranjiv@ .. wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > Yes Nairji is true in some of his observations, examples.> > > Astrology> > > > > is a> > > > > "Daridra Vidya". It reduces wealth. That is due to a curse> > > according> > > > > to> > > > > our> > > > > texts by Mata Laxmi ( I think).> > > > >> > > > > Such childish remarks "is astrology a figment of imagination > etc"> > > > > was> > > > > going to invoke unnecessary arguments and waste of time.That > is> > > the> > > > > reason> > > > > why I had written the first mail. People want definative > results -> > > > > like> > > > > a> > > > > T.V. remote. They do not understand that even our gods took > birth> > > to> > > > > rectify any wrongs. They did not reach for the remote like we > do.> > > As> > > > > for> > > > > disbelief in astrology : you can continue to work > irrespective of> > > > > bad/good> > > > > times irrespective of fate helping you or no and god does > reward> > > > > such a> > > > > karmayogi, however that does not mean astrology does not > exist.> > > When> > > > > you> > > > > undergo some trials & tribulations - that is the time you can> > > decide> > > > > and> > > > > exclaim whatever you want.> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Dear Sreeram-ji,

 

I humbly disagree with this statement:

"

To me, one has right to comment on others failed predictions only when

you yourself have crossed a satisfactory record of success....and it

can

be compared with that of those on whom you want to comment....till

then....silence is better......

"

 

When you curse the Indian cricket team for match they ill-played, I

am sure you don't regard yourself as capable in cricket as some of

the players.

When you criticise the Chief Minister or the Prime Minister for some

major decisions taken, I am sure you wouldn't consider yourself

qualified to run the state or the country.

Whenever you comment on bad acting by a famous actor, you don't

consider playing his role in the film.

 

So, why a separate rule for prominent astrologers?

 

Anyway, this was never my point. Rather I wanted to learn the method

in which the incorrect predictions were made so that we could learn

the faults in the method and evolve better as a community of

astrologers.

 

Student always,

 

Souvik

 

, " sreeram srinivas "

<sreeram64 wrote:

>

>

> Dear Members,

>

> Like in world there are group of Optimistics & Pessimists....then we

> also have those sitting on the wall....not knowing which side to

> jump....

>

> This reminds of a Budhist parable, where two monks on their way had

to

> cross a bridge...and a beautiful young lady....unable to cross on

her

> for fear or ..etc..reason...so the monk helps her to cross...by

lifting

> her into his arm....contrary to the Budhists restrictions.....having

> successfully crossed...and a week passed.....yet the second monk is

lost

> in that incident...that the rule is broken...monk touching a young

> beautiful lady...sanctity is lost..etc....later only to be remarked

by

> the Guruji or the first monk himself..the he left the lady at the

bridge

> itself...while the second monk is still carrying her ...in his

> imagination...

>

> So a few predictions going wrong.... by Sri K.N. Rao in his long

career

> as a Professional is nothing in contrast to what he successfully

> foretold.....see the brighter side of the subject.....not the darker

> side...unless you are doing a risk analysis.....there is no play of

life

> here....

>

> Further, Sri K.N. Rao has been honest with his prediction....even if

> wrong....he admitted....first get your basics right ....then think

over

> what others have said and what they have learnt from that

> mistakes...rather than brooding over other's failed

> predictions......i.e. counting numbers.....

>

> Give me any other recordable & sincere instances where people have

been

> successful w.r.t. to Sri Rao....further he has excellent record

> keeping.....

>

> To me, one has right to comment on others failed predictions only

when

> you yourself have crossed a satisfactory record of success....and

it can

> be compared with that of those on whom you want to comment....till

> then....silence is better......

>

> With regards,

>

> Sreeram_Srinivas

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Sreenadh-ji,

 

I agree with you 100%. No, not view them as super-humans but view

them as normal humans.

 

If you remember the first thing we learnt when we started studing

history in schools was " Why study history? "

The answer was something on the lines of " We study history so that we

learn from our past mistakes " .

 

Why can't we apply that to astrology too?

 

If we know what went wrong, we will be careful the next time it

occurs so that we dont make the same mistakes.

 

Shouldn't be that difficult right?

 

Thanks

 

Souvik

, " Sreenadh "

<sreesog wrote:

>

> Dear Souvik ji,

> Of course many of their predictions fail. But the fact remains

that

> to evaluate the reliability or non-reliability or capabilities of

some

> very good Kerela astrologers, you should have first hand experience

> about them. Why don't plan a trip to kerala, get some Deva prasna

video

> filmed, listen to some Prashna which was usually attended by more

than

> 500 to 1500 people?

> I know that the prediction you are mentioning is of KN Rao -

what

> wonder is there if some of his predictions fail? I know that every

good

> astrologer will make many good predictions and would miserably fail

in

> some others; that is quite usual as they too are normal human

beings -

> but some who dedicated their life for the study of astrology. Just

like

> doctors who may cure or fail in judging the disease of a patient

> (because of his knowledge limitations, circumstances, medicines

used and

> so on) the astrologer is also sure to fail in many instances - no

wonder

> in it. What should be valued is one's own sincerity to this subject

and

> knowledge he acquired which helps him to arrive at many right

> conclusions at many instances and the ability to reveal facts

unknown

> even to the people who interact with it regularly.

> Instead of viewing even capable astrologers as super human

being -

> we should try to know and understand them as normal human beings

with

> dedication and sincerely and a good guru parampara.

> Love and regards,

> Sreenadh

> , " Souvik Dutta "

> <explore_vulcan@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear member,

> >

> > I donot intend to sound like a skeptic but I see an issue with

most

> > coverages about astrologers.

> >

> > The issue is alomost all of them appear to be as advertisements.

> >

> > It appears that none of the predictions the individual made ever

> > failed.

> >

> > Thats not true at all. Although it might have economic setbacks

for

> > the astrologer, it does in the long run establish his

credibilities.

> >

> > As example: Two very famous Indian astrologers predicted that the

> > present Indian government would not complete its full-term and

that

> > after 2.5 years, mid-way in its term, the present government would

> > fail.

> >

> > These two individuals didn't say it in private, one of them went

far

> > enough to put it in audio and upload it on a webpage and the other

> > published it on his website.

> >

> > Now this prediction failed so miserably (and is still failing)

that I

> > inquired from one of them (respectfully) where he might have went

> > wrong in his analysis so that the community might learn from the

> > mistakes.

> >

> > Silence is what I received in response.

> >

> > If we donot record our failures and dont talk equally about it as

we

> > talk about our success, we are cheating others and our selves.

> >

> > I am not expecting roaring Sun-like honesty like Gandhi who has

the

> > courage to talk about his desires for his wife when his father

was in

> > his death-bed. Ordinary men donot have the courage to face truth

even

> > to themselves with such bare nakedness.

> >

> > However, just admitting to the fact that one is not perfect and

that

> > one has made mistakes in his/her predictions is the least expected

> > from an honest astrologer.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Souvik

> >

> > , " sunil nair "

> > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > hare rama krishna.

> > >

> > > i am sending an a non astro mail tho it may interst to some

> > one .Here

> > > its a news paper report abt one of the leading astrologer from

> > kerala.I

> > > think the breed of astrologers from kerala is pet of IT (

income tax

> > > dept also ) as some astrologer was raided with 5 crore ruppees

> > > unaccounted money .

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ieGod's own gods

> > > Thursday July 27 2006 16:44 IST

> > >

> > > Manoj K Das

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Parappanangadi Unnikrishnan

> > >

> > > He promises the kingdom to the beggar, riches to the pauper,

> > knowledge

> > > to the fool, beauty to the ugly, or any unimaginable

possibility to

> > the

> > > most undeserving person.

> > >

> > > Simply whisper the date, place and time of birth and watch with

awe

> > how

> > > a constellation of cowries dances to his intuition to recreate

the

> > past,

> > > present and future on a wooden plank even as you join him for a

> > > walk-the-talk about yourself.

> > >

> > > This is Mr Astrologer from Kerala, the interface between the

> > earthly and

> > > the celestial, playing the dual role of rearview mirror and

halogen

> > > headlamps. Surfing on a sea of affluence, his penury is a

chapter in

> > > past tense. His present is among the opulent elite: a tantric

> > > jet-setting between the world capitals keeping track of planets

on a

> > > wi-fi laptop. And whenever in transit in Kerala, he hops from

one TV

> > > station to the other, predicting your day, week, month and year.

> > >

> > > He is the corporate troubleshooter too; preaching business

solutions

> > > that IIMs can't teach.

> > >

> > > Meet Parappanagadi Unnikrishnan, astrology's most successful

> > > ambassador, official adviser to the Government of Sri Lanka,

> > consultant

> > > to Condoleezza Rice and Bill Clinton, friend of Embekki, Finance

> > > Minister of Uganda: You need a 5GB hard disk to store the list

of

> > his

> > > international contacts alone. .

> > >

> > > " Like other youngsters of my community, the basic lessons were

> > > taught by my father Narayana Panicker and I joined my uncle

Kumara

> > > Panicker in Coimbatore for further research, " he says about his

> > > association with Tamil Nadu, the land that catapulted him to

fame.

> > > " It all began with an ashtamangala prasnam at the Sri Rama

temple,

> > > Vellore, in which I could read that eight temples that once

existed

> > in

> > > its neighbourhood were lying under layers of soil. Excavations

> > proved

> > > this true and they were renovated. Since then thousands consult

me

> > from

> > > Tamil Nadu. "

> > >

> > > Unnikrishna Panicker soon crossed the shores of Tamil Nadu to

> > advise Sri

> > > Lanka on war, crossed the pacific to reach US before travelling

to

> > other

> > > developed nations. For obvious reasons, he refuses to divulge

> > details of

> > > his connections with nations and world leaders. Every

astrologer has

> > > similar stories. But not many have mastered the art of

translating

> > > success into riches.

> > >

> > > There's a flip side to this coin. " For astrologers like

> > > Soolapani Varier, money is the last of the priorities. They live

> > like

> > > hermits, never bothering to corner a space in public eye. But

their

> > > generation is facing extinction, " points out Vimala.

> > >

> > > True, especially when analysed against the backdrop of channel-

> > hogging

> > > astrologers enjoying a rating equivalent to prime time soaps.

> > Starting

> > > from Attukal Radhakrishnan, who first occupied this niche, all

> > channels

> > > boast resident astrologers. The programme is today a phone-in

slot

> > where

> > > solutions are given live. Apart from Attukal Radhakrishnan's

> > > Anantham Ajnatham, Asianet also features Kanipayoor

Namoothiripad in

> > > their morning show Suprabhatham. " Earlier, I used to go to their

> > > studio for the shoot. But now I beam it from my house, "

Kanipayoor

> > > told The New Sunday Express. Surya channel competes with

Rasichakram

> > > chaired by Sreekumar.

> > >

> > > Astrologers like Alur Unnikrishna Panicker are happy writing

> > horoscopes

> > > of rivers and forests out of academic interest. Alur first

wrote the

> > > horoscope of Bharathapuzha, the vanishing lifeline of Kerala. He

> > > predicted that the river's slow death will begin in the

sixties. And

> > > four decades later, Kerala painfully acknowledges his

credibility as

> > > they watch the river gasping for breath.

> > >

> > > " Credibility of Kerala astrologers was never in question.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > regrds sunil nair

> > >

> > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " Sreenadh "

> > > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Chiranjiv ji,

> > > > It is alone in Kerala that astrologers are not that poor and

live

> > a

> > > > moderate good life - because free reading beggars are so few

> > there;

> > > and

> > > > for certain every client pays at least 50 to 100 Rupees. The

good

> > > > astrologers going for Tamboola prasna or Deva prasa gets paid

> > > > accordingly (based on their knowledge and reputation) from

2000 to

> > > 20000

> > > > for a day. Even if he is a normal astrologer is not

knowledgeable

> > > enough

> > > > to handle a Deva prashna (Temple prashna), then too at least

10

> > people

> > > > would be visiting him per day providing an income of at leat

500

> > to

> > > 1000

> > > > rupees a day.

> > > > But it is the stingy free reading beggars, that degraded

> > astrology to

> > > > 'Daridra vidya' in their view (actually the hell they

created) -

> > but

> > > in

> > > > Kerala astrology is NOT a Daridra vidya but a reputed one -

yes,

> > but

> > > may

> > > > not be as reputed as modern day professions such as IT,

Doctor and

> > > > Engineer - the mania of the parents.

> > > > Love and regards,

> > > > Sreenadh

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > <Chiranjeev Mehta wrote....>

> > > > Re: Astrology_Practising

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sreeramji,

> > > >

> > > > It was not Baqayaji but I who said it. He was just negating

it.

> > Yes I

> > > > have heard it from many astrologers themselves., I think it

goes

> > like

> > > > this : Godess laksmiji cursed all brahmins that they would

remain

> > > berfet

> > > > of great wealth because Sage Bhrigu ( I think) had kicked Lord

> > Vishnu

> > > > because of a percieved insult, when the lord was asleep and

did

> > not

> > > get

> > > > up to recieve him.

> > > >

> > > > In these " professional days " the curse is not limited only to

a

> > > > community but those who practise their trade.

> > > >

> > > > As told by a brahmin himself to me.

> > > >

> > > > --- On Sat, 12/1/08, sreeram srinivas sreeram64@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > sreeram srinivas sreeram64@

> > > > Re: Astrology_Practising

> > > >

> > > > Saturday, 12 January, 2008, 4:07 PM

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Baqayaji,

> > > >

> > > > Good to know that you are a practising astro with 25+ yrs

> > > > experience.

> > > > Can you tell me the logic of selectively applying

the " Daridra "

> > > > curse to

> > > > those professionals only ??? Can you explain why Late Sri C.S.

> > Patel

> > > > or Late Sri P.S. Sastri inspite of them being seldome

involved in

> > > > any

> > > > " professional astrology " in any manner during their entire

life

> > > > time.....also happens to be the biggest contributors to modern

> > > > astrology

> > > > ??

> > > >

> > > > From when in the history that this great super science i.e.

Divine

> > > > Science started becoming a " Daridra Vidya " ?? In which

Puranas is

> > it

> > > > written ?? It would be interesting to know about this " missing

> > > > pieces

> > > > of knowledge " from learned members..... !!!

> > > >

> > > > Would appreciate anyone who can throw light on this.....

> > > >

> > > > With regards

> > > >

> > > > Sreeram_Srinivas

> > > >

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Rup

Krishen

> > > > Baqaya "

> > > > rkbaqaya@ .> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > My dear friend, I have studied astrology for 25 years now,but

by

> > no

> > > > standards i can be called daridra.I know of many many very

well to

> > > > do

> > > > ppl

> > > > who study astrology.In my opinion the curse if any applies to

ppl

> > > > who

> > > > practice astrology in a professional way and not to ppl who

merely

> > > > study

> > > > it. RK

> > > >

> > > > On Jan 12, 2008 2:24 PM, chiranjiv mehta vchiranjiv@ .. wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > Yes Nairji is true in some of his observations, examples.

> > Astrology

> > > > is a

> > > > " Daridra Vidya " . It reduces wealth. That is due to a curse

> > according

> > > > to

> > > > our

> > > > texts by Mata Laxmi ( I think).

> > > >

> > > > Such childish remarks " is astrology a figment of imagination

etc "

> > > > was

> > > > going to invoke unnecessary arguments and waste of time.That

is

> > the

> > > > reason

> > > > why I had written the first mail. People want definative

results -

> > > > like

> > > > a

> > > > T.V. remote. They do not understand that even our gods took

birth

> > to

> > > > rectify any wrongs. They did not reach for the remote like we

do.

> > As

> > > > for

> > > > disbelief in astrology : you can continue to work

irrespective of

> > > > bad/good

> > > > times irrespective of fate helping you or no and god does

reward

> > > > such a

> > > > karmayogi, however that does not mean astrology does not

exist.

> > When

> > > > you

> > > > undergo some trials & tribulations - that is the time you can

> > decide

> > > > and

> > > > exclaim whatever you want.

> > > >

> > >

> >

>