Quiz - Oh! Friends! Is it true?!!! - to Ash

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Dear Ash,==>How do we know for sure that what the sages said and what is translated in English today are same. That can’t be assumed.

So, let me clarify, that what our ancient seers and sages taught was perfect, but what we have today cannot be said that that is exactly what the sages taught. <== I don't depend on English translations, but only on ORIGINALS. Actually when one major thread is over I always used to upload the original quotes with commentary in the files section of the group. Also know that it is NOT necessary that what the sages tell us MAYNOT BE PERFECT, but as the originators of this system, they knew well what they are speaking about, which most of the modern day scholars seems to miss. ==>So just quoting blindly using incomplete texts, by translators who might not have grasped the essence of what the real meaning of the shokes were meant to be, <== Blindness depends on the eye that see...... The second part is irrelevant because I don't depend on English translations, but instead do the translation myself. ==>Back then the medium of teaching was verbal so someone at some point might have documented all this.<== You assume that what they pened down and what they taught might be different; you assume that what they say and what they mean are different. Then it applies to all the written and spoken communication we do as well - in daily life. If you go by this dictom, to communicate correcty and perfectly you would have to stop speaking and writing. I don't think till you become Buddha or Dakshinamoorti that woule be possible. ==>but the only way in my opinion to do justice to our ancient seers is to make accurate prediction, by that I mean, 80-100% of charts must be read accurately. That would automatically imply that what they taught and what we have understood is perfect JThat and only that is and can be the truth. <== Do it.... Sincerely I am just a kid trying to understand what ever I can by approaching the available words of those sages with reverence... The full blown flowers can try predicting 100% accurate and try convincing others... ==>I also understand that there has to be a start somewhere, and u can use these so called remains that we have today called “classic texts†as the starting point, but it would be not proper to think that that is what<== But I trust that going by the available sage quotes is the ONLY right path to understand this ancient system; Because they knew at least what they are talking about, because they only created this system. There words are better than the so called scholars who speak elaborately speak about the system without referring to the classics, imagining anything that comes to their mind. ya, that could be the path of many - but certainly not my path. ==>a) Exaclty what Maharishis<== There are many. To name a few - Skanda, Daksha, Vasishta, Kausika (Viswamitra), Sounaka, Garga, Rishiputra, Vridha Garga, Yavaneswara, Lomasa, Parasara and so on. ==>b) We have all the texts and and in proper form<== We have some texts in full and many in fragments - and all of them as a whole is sufficiant enough to give us a complete picture. Remember one thing - "Know what is before you and then things hidden from you will get revealed to you" - tells us an enlightened soul. That is the path of true learning and research....Know it as a fact. ==>c) We have proper translations of the same.<== DON'T depend on the translations, but depend on the ORIGINALS. That is the RIGHT path. Translations - do it yourself. ==>So consider this as starting point and only starting point and the end point will be or we can say that we have understood what the sages have taught only when we are able to predict events 100% or rather understand the essence of Jyotish 100%.<== Even if you are one of those sages, or even if you are god - predicting to 100% accuracy is an impossibility. (Meditate on - Why?) They have clarified it amply in numerous instances, and this is a one of the basic facts to be understood even by a bigginner who what to learn this subject. ==>Has it occurred to anyone that maybe our Maharishis DID NOT want everyone to have full knowledge? Have full knowledge, would mean having absolute power and absolute power will corrupt.Maybe all the knowledge was intentionally dispersed across the world, with some knowledge with the say Mayans some with the Greek or Yavans, some hidden in the Kabbalah, some in western astrology etc etc.<== There is NO POSSIBILITY of absolute knowledge - so the above statement losses its focus. But it is good to exercise your imagination and try to correlate various fragmented knowledge found in various places - because everything may have a common source - similar to 'some ancient lost civilization' as Graham Hancock puts it. (in 'Finger prints of gods') :=) ==>Only the big guy upstairs knows what our ancient maharishis really wanted and the actual reason why the medium of instruction was only verbal, why is all this knowledge dispersed, and why the texts were destroyed etc etc.<== There is no big guy upstairs, since upstairs and downstairs are one; east and west are one; looking at the big picture. If earth is a globe, then which is east and which is west? which is north and which is south? ya, for practical purpose imagining a guy upstairs would be good, but he is the creation of your own mind; the truth is - "the universe is a single flux - the law, law giver, and obeyer of the laws all in one; the creator, creation, and creativity all in one". God is as imperfect as we are; the universe is as imperfect as we are; and only an imperfect and evolving system can be termed ALIVE. Anything perfect without change is simply 'dead', and I don't think god is dead, divinity is dead - it is as alive as we are, and we ourselves is the solid proof of such a divinity, such a creative force in action - the universe IS god. Note: But Ash all your words too are just philosophical, where is your SOLID examples; practical application? :)Love and regards,Sreenadh

, "Ash's Corner" <kas wrote:

RE: Re: Quiz - Oh! Friends! Is it true?!!!

 

 

 

Dear Sreenadh,

I don’t think u understood what I was trying to say, Oh I don’t doubt that what our ancient seers taught us is not correct.

However my emphasis is on “What Words of the Sages?â€.

How do we know for sure that what the sages said and what is translated in English today are same. That can’t be assumed.

So, let me clarify, that what our ancient seers and sages taught was perfect, but what we have today cannot be said that that is exactly what the sages taught.

So just quoting blindly using incomplete texts, by translators who might not have grasped the essence of what the real meaning of the shokes were meant to be, inability to interpret it w.r.t point in time, i.e. for example, somewhere its given that Ju in 4th house means elephants at door step, now that has to be translated in todays worlds as maybe chauffer derive limousine or something like that, and even one step before that, has the exact shloke been written done exactly as the way our ancient seers have said?

Back then the medium of teaching was verbal so someone at some point might have documented all this.

So many layers of area where interpretation might go wrong.

In reference to your comment about having patience, to that I have to say that I have decided when I started learning Jyotish, so not to worry, it’s a life long journey (or several lifetimes), but the only way in my opinion to do justice to our ancient seers is to make accurate prediction, by that I mean, 80-100% of charts must be read accurately. That would automatically imply that what they taught and what we have understood is perfect J

That and only that is and can be the truth.

I also understand that there has to be a start somewhere, and u can use these so called remains that we have today called “classic texts†as the starting point, but it would be not proper to think that that is what

a) Exaclty what Maharishis

b) We have all the texts and and in proper form

c) We have proper translations of the same.

So consider this as starting point and only starting point and the end point will be or we can say that we have understood what the sages have taught only when we are able to predict events 100% or rather understand the essence of Jyotish 100%.

Also one more thought and this is on a tangent, but since its come to my mind, I will note it down. Has it occurred to anyone that maybe our Maharishis DID NOT want everyone to have full knowledge? Have full knowledge, would mean having absolute power and absolute power will corrupt.

Maybe all the knowledge was intentionally dispersed across the world, with some knowledge with the say Mayans some with the Greek or Yavans, some hidden in the Kabbalah, some in western astrology etc etc.

Only the big guy upstairs knows what our ancient maharishis really wanted and the actual reason why the medium of instruction was only verbal, why is all this knowledge dispersed, and why the texts were destroyed etc etc.

 

Cheers !!!

Ash > _____ > > On Behalf Of Sreenadh> Wednesday January 9, 2008 6:55 AM> > Re: Quiz - Oh! Friends! Is it true?!!!> > > > Dear Ash ji,> Wait pls. You will right away see that their words are right - > and error is only in our understanding. Have patiants and don't be > in a hurry. > Love and regards,> Sreenadh > > ancient_indian_ <%40> astrology , "Ash's Corner@" > kas@ wrote:> >> > Dear Sreenadh,> > > > > > > > Yes, I agree with u, but my only grave concern and this question > that worries me is that â€Å"What did parasara actually say and teach > v/s what had been understood and written down and available in texts > today?â€Â. If there is a difference and if everyone is following > that blindly and if such things do not pass the test of actually > practical solving of charts then that must mean that there is some > discrepancy there.> > > > > > > > Cheers !!!> > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca> http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca> > > > _____ > > > > ancient_indian_ <%40> astrology > [ancient_indian_ <%40> astrology ] On Behalf Of > Sreenadh> > Tuesday January 8, 2008 6:15 AM> > ancient_indian_ <%40> astrology > > Re: Quiz - Oh! Friends! Is it > true?!!!> > > > > > > > Dear Remesh ji,> > ==>> > > Both of you are correct your own way.> > > But the problem is, mixing two different system.> > <== > > You are absolutely right. > > > > This is what I tried to explain in my previous post - the > methodologies/systems differ - i.e. ancient Indian astrology (let us > denote it as AIA) and KAS. But as far us the case (statement of > Parasara and Lomasa regarding 2nd lord 2nd house) is concerned the > systems/methodologies are irrelevant - what we are (and should be) > interested in is verifying whether the said result is true in known > horoscopes or not. > > I also agree that - multiple factors should indicate the same to > state such a result with confidence. But the point I wanted to > emphasis (supporting the statement of the sages) was that â€" for > sure it shows a trend in that direction, i.e. in the direction of > fructification of multiple marriages; in the absence of other > supporting yogas/combinations, it is NOT necessary that just > because of this combination the said result should fructify; but > this shouldn't hold us back from giving proper waitage to the > statemnt of those sages. > > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> > > > ancient_indian_ <%40> astrology , ramesh mishra > <aarceemastro2002@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Ash and Sreenadh,> > > Sorry to intrtvene here. Both of you are correct your own way.> > > But the problem is, mixing two different system.> > > In VA for second marriage second house is considered if I am not > wrong.> > > 8th house is for break in first marriage and 7th from 8th is > second that is why 2nd house is for second marriage.> > > But chart must indicate multiple marriages.> > > For that we have to see the status of Ve. Its relationship with > Ma. Sa and Ra.> > > The placemeent of Ve in dual signs.> > > Thanks and regards.> > > Ramesh Mishra> > > > > > "Ash's Corner@" kas@ wrote:> > > Dear Sreenadh,> > > > > > I do not think we are on the same wavelength here. Ve exalts in > Pisces the 12th house and in upachaya from 7th house. That is 11th > from Taurus. That is correct. > > > > > > But for a person to have extra marital relationship he must have > some yogs indicating that, his personality and character must be > such. There must be problems or some such things indicating. > > > > > > Here 2nd house means karak for marriage is what I am seeing > period. If 2nd house is spoilt or Venus is spoilt then the results > of 7th house are spoilt, so it means there might be multiple > marriages or no marriage or some such thing means disturbed 7th > house.> > > > > > However for a person to break the marital bond and go outside > the boundaries and have extra marital relation must be indicated by > the nature of the person, status of venus etc etc i.e. in short more > yogs.> > > > > > 2nd house as per your mail, you wrote that it denotes own > home??? I am not clear with that either. House and fixed assets are > 4th house. 2nd house is kutumb or family and wealth i.e. bonds, > stocks gold as per todays day and age and back in old days, also > knowledge i.e. Karak is Jupiter lord of 9th house in Kalpurush chart > and your Guru and father too. > > > > > > How are u linking home to 2nd house or let me put it in other > way, I have not understood in what context have u linked Home to 2nd > house?> > > > > > > > > 2nd house is 10th from 5th so primary upachaya. So in dasha of > 2nd or 10th lord that might trigger 5th house. Now that only need > not be romance, it can be a person might get his or her degree in > education or might gain in speculation, or might win a lottery.> > > > > > For a person to have romantic relation, he or she must have some > particular nature or yogs like say Mars and Venus with Sa or say Ma > and Ve in 1 house aspected by Saturn, so that can make a person more > passionate (personality) and then in such case, if antra of 2nd lord > runs or 10th lord then more chances of something that might happen > that he or she might meet someone in that antra. Again then, if Ju > aspects then it might not let it go out of hand etc etc etc like > other influence of planets modifying the overall nature of the > person.> > > > > > In all cases if 2nd lord is in 2nd house then all such persons > will have multiple marriages etc might not hold true in all charts. > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!!> > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <%40> astrology > [ancient_indian_ <%40> astrology ] On Behalf Of > Sreenadh> > > Tuesday January 8, 2008 3:52 AM> > > ancient_indian_ <%40> astrology > > > Re: Quiz - Oh! Friends! Is > it true?!!!> > > > > > > > > Dear Ash,> > > The 2nd and 3rd marriage/'strong extra marital relation' > mentioned here is not mainly related to 5th (platonic love) or 12th > (bed pleasures); But rather related to the house indicating 2nd > marriages or relations within the relationships such as 2nd and 11th > houses. > > > Note that 2nd house indicates own home, homely relations; and > Venus is the lord of 2nd house and 7th house in NH; and also that > the same Venus gets exalted in 11th (a house signifying 2nd > marriage) from Taurus. As per NHT2, note that Jupiter is the > significator of 2nd house and that Jupiter in Taurus (2nd lord in > any house is equivalent to Jupiter in that house) means, 11th lord > from Taurus in Taurus. Also note that if we use NHT2, 2nd lord in > 2nd is equivalent to Mercury in Taurus for Taurus lagna - Mercury is > debilitated in 11th and owns 2nd house from Tarus - indicting > relation with both 2nd and 11th house (both house signifying 2nd > wife/relation). Note that 11th indicates friendship turned into > relation.> > > > > > Thus in essence, the 2nd and 3rd relation mentioned here could > be -> > > * Actual marriages that took place (provided enough indication > of break of first marriage is present in horoscope)> > > * Friendship turned into strong extra marital relation.> > > * A relationship mainly caused by the environment/chance with in > the family relatives/relations> > > > > > This is my opinion - any how I am of the opinion that "if 2nd > lord is in 2nd house - even though the native may have a clean image > and he would be good at heart, for sure he will have extra marital > affairs; almost strong as a marriage". It is not that the native is > immoral, non-sincere, does not loves his wife or something like > that; it is just that for fulfillment (complimenting) he needs some > extra relations - and have it, solid. If even by a slight chance if > his marriage is affected, the very next day you will find him > settled in the next relation (married!) again enjoying life. May be > some more examples and actual experiences may confirm or negate this > derivation. > > > Love and regards,> > > Sreenadh> > > > > > ancient_indian_ <%40> astrology , "Ash's Corner@" > kas@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Sreenadh,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I read your reply and am not able to understand what u mean by > 2 or 3 wives?> > > > Do u mean in the literal sense, i.e. w.r.t 7th house so > partner in property> > > > or do mean affairs i.e. 5th house matter platonic or 12th > house matters> > > > which involves pleasures?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If a person say in India as 2 or 3 wives, then that might be a > bigamous> > > > marriage which might be punishable by law. Or do u mean that > he or she> > > > might have a marriage then divorce and then marry 2nd time and > divorce and> > > > marry 3rd time like that?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, one more thing about 2nd lord is that in antra of 2nd > lord a person> > > > worries, so at that time, a male might generate more Y > chromosomes so that> > > > might be a factor in having more female children.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In KAS, if 3:6:10:11 points are in rising trend in Male chart, > then mostly> > > > the 1st child is female. This is due to the logic that such > persons are> > > > very enterprising, just see the chart that Renu gave of CEO > where I said> > > > that native might be in business but he was CEO, I wrote a > mail I think in> > > > response to that as well, so if the person is taking on large > ventures to> > > > establish business or if he is rising to much power and > conception happens> > > > then there are MORE chances of having a female child.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe that is why or some base of it might be there in this > 2nd lord in> > > > lagna logic as well?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!!> > > > > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca> http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca> > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <%40> astrology > > > > [ancient_indian_ <%40> astrology ] On Behalf Of > Sreenadh> > > > Tuesday January 8, 2008 12:56 AM> > > > ancient_indian_ <%40> astrology > > > > Re: Quiz - Oh! Friends! Is > it true?!!!> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vinita ji,> > > > That was a good attempt. As for NHT2, assume Taurus as > lagna and that> > > > 2nd lord from Taurus (i.e. Mercury) is in Taurus. Note that > Venus gets> > > > debilitated in 5th Virgo, and also that mercury is a female > eunuch. > > > > But in face of the lawyers horoscope presented by Krishna ji > and the mail> > > > of Gopu ji, I should clarify the reading as per the Rishi > horas. We need to> > > > verify this reading, and I will stand by in support of the > sage quotes, and> > > > let us see what the reality and facts has to reveal. > > > > > > > > "If 2nd lord is in 2nd house, the native would be egotic. He > may have 2 or> > > > 3 wives (affairs or near marriage relations also will do), but > won't have> > > > any children (especially son). He would be wealthy, will > indulge in> > > > righteous deeds. He will enjoy much worldly pleasures. He will > have much> > > > income/earnings/gain/profit, but would be stingy. He will > always try to> > > > increase his earnings, and would be after accumulating more > and more money.> > > > He would be a very able individual (in work, earnings, speech > etc)."> > > > The Dasa of the 2nd lord would be very prosperous. The tight-> fistedness> > > > of the native comes from his intention to avoid wasteful > expenses; it is not> > > > that he will not spend enough money for useful things. For > useful and right> > > > things he will spend money without any stinginess. The multiple> > > > relationships of the native spring not from his immoral > attitude, but rather> > > > from his sincerity. He is sincere to himself and to the people > he comes in> > > > contact with. If he happens to make relationships with women, > due to the too> > > > much sincerity, the chance for it to turn into a strong > relation (strong as> > > > marriage) is very big. This is what prompts the sage to > mention - multiple> > > > wives for the native. > > > > Let us to what extend these clear derivations actualized in > real> > > > horoscopes or not. I request the readers with the same > combination to share> > > > their experience; and their response/coment about the above > reading.> > > > Love and regards,> > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <%40> astrology , "vinita kumar"> > > > shankar_mamta@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Shreenadh ji,> > > > > > > > > > ok here is my take on this ...not that it will necessarily > be close > > > > > to the right answer , but then u can once again appreciate > the > > > > > effort > > > > > > > > > > Why should such a person have no son?> > > > > > > > > > 2nd lord in 2nd...in the natural zodiac this is Venus in > Taurus. > > > > > Venus is a female planet which gets strengthened in its > feminine > > > > > characteristics being in its own sign. Taurus is an even > sign also > > > > > equal to female??? dunno!> > > > > > > > > > i dont know if this application is correct, but assuming 2nd > house > > > > > to be first...the fifth house is Virgo, another female sign.> > > > > > > > > > Now for the 2nd question which is tougher....this person may > have 2-> > > > > 3 wives....why and how?> > > > > > > > > > 7th house is the significator of marriage....first marriage > or all > > > > > marriages? > > > > > > > > > > i dunno what is the significator of 2nd marriage, but i have > heard > > > > > or read somewhere that 2nd to 7th, ie., 8th H is the > significator of > > > > > 2nd marriage, 9th the significator of 3rd marriage and so > on...Of > > > > > course, i don't know the basis of such pronouncements.> > > > > > > > > > Going by the bhavat bhavam principle 8th from 8thH is 3rdH > just as > > > > > 3rdH is also 2nd from 2nd.> > > > > > > > > > 2nd from 2nd (Taurus) is Gemini, a dual sign and also a sign > of > > > > > copulation....so maybe more than one marriage.> > > > > > > > > > Venus from Taurus aspects Mars ruled Scorpio...Scorpio is > the hidden > > > > > 8th house also related to sex....but then i don't know how > this fits > > > > > in with formal 2nd or 3rd marriage. Of course, if such > marriages are > > > > > not in the open and hidden, there would be some connection > there.> > > > > > > > > > i am afraid this is the best i could do. i have not used the > nh2 > > > > > principle successfully because it is yet to sink in in terms > of > > > > > application.> > > > > > > > > > warm regards,> > > > > vinita> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <%40> astrology , > Krishnamurthy > > > > > Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > Let me try -> > > > > > > > > > > > If 2nd lord is in 2nd, he would influence the 8th. 8th > being 2nd > > > > > from 7th influences the longevity of the spouse. Hence, > might be > > > > > logical to say that the native would have more than one wife.> > > > > > > > > > > > Secondly, going by the logic of Kaalapursusha chart, it > would be > > > > > Venus in Taurus for Aries lagna. This also means the 7th > lord in the > > > > > second. The 7th lord being a maraka sitting in the house of > family > > > > > is not good.> > > > > > > > > > > > But, I can't figure out why NO son.> > > > > > > > > > > > All the above is theory. Let me quote a practical case. > The > > > > > chart that I have already shared (that of a lawyer), he has > 2nd lord > > > > > Mercury in the 2nd houuse Virgo. He has a Son - the only > child.> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > Krishna> > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:> > > > > > Dear All,> > > > > > Sage Parasara and Lomasa tells us that if 2nd lord in 2nd -> > > > > > * The native may have 2 or 3 wives.> > > > > > * He will have NO son!! > > > > > > We all know expect a very good reading speaking out very > good > > > > > results such as "good family, wealth, house, beautiful face, > > > > > earnings" etc only for such a placement. What prompted these > grate > > > > > sages to make a very strong derivation such as - "He will > have no > > > > > son"?!! The quiz question is -> > > > > > * What is the logic behind? > > > > > > And the verification question is - Is that result > derivations > > > > > true in actual experience? > > > > > > Note: I hope that after the previous quiz on 2nd house > every > > > > > body would be much interested in applying the learned > principles > > > > > here. ;=)> > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast > with > > > > > Search.> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now you can chat without downloading messenger. Click here to > know how.> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Dear Sreenadh,

 

I just have one question then after

reading your mail. 

 

Do you have all the ancient texts in

authentic Sanskrit and can you vouch that that is exactly what the Maharishis

have said?

 

There are so many contradictions, for

example, the Ashtakvarga given in BPHS is different from one given in

Varharamira.  I refuse to believe that the 2 great maharishies have given Ashtakavarga

differently.  No matter how good u know how to read Sanskrit, but if the Sanskrit

shlokes are not written correctly then what?

 

In any case all this is getting rhetorical

so we can stick to facts and trying to get to the bottom of the laws that you

are translating.  That will be very good and some good churning of thoughts

will take place.   

 

But one thing I respect and kudos to you

is that if u are on the path to becoming a Sanskrit scholar and understanding

how to interpret the shokes that would be wonderful.  Some day you can dechiper

so many things that might have been mis interpreted. 

 

 

 

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

 

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of Sreenadh

Wednesday January 9, 2008

11:51 PM

 

Subject:

Re: Quiz - Oh! Friends! Is it true?!!! - to Ash

 

 

 

 

 

Dear

Ash,

==>

How do we know for sure that what the sages said and what is

translated in English today are same. That can’t be assumed.

 

So, let me clarify, that what our ancient seers and sages taught

was perfect, but what we have today cannot be said that that is exactly what

the sages taught.

<==

I don't depend on English translations, but only on

ORIGINALS. Actually when one major thread is over I always used to upload

the original quotes with commentary in the files section of the group.

Also know that it is NOT necessary that what the sages tell us MAYNOT BE

PERFECT, but as the originators of this system, they knew well what they are

speaking about, which most of the modern day scholars seems to miss.

==>

So just

quoting blindly using incomplete texts, by translators who might not have

grasped the essence of what the real meaning of the shokes were meant to be,

<==

Blindness depends on the eye that see...... The second part is

irrelevant because I don't depend on English translations, but instead do the

translation myself.

==>

Back

then the medium of teaching was verbal so someone at some point might have

documented all this.

<==

You assume that what they pened down and what they taught might be

different; you assume that what they say and what they mean are

different. Then it applies to all the written and spoken

communication we do as well - in daily life. If you go by this dictom, to

communicate correcty and perfectly you would have to stop speaking and

writing. I don't think till you become Buddha or

Dakshinamoorti that woule be possible.

==>

but the

only way in my opinion to do justice to our ancient seers is to make accurate

prediction, by that I mean, 80-100% of charts must be read accurately.

That would automatically imply that what they taught and what we have

understood is perfect J

That and only that is and can be the truth.

<==

Do it.... Sincerely I am just a kid trying to understand what ever I can

by approaching the available words of those sages with reverence... The full

blown flowers can try predicting 100% accurate and try convincing others...

==>

I also

understand that there has to be a start somewhere, and u can use these so

called remains that we have today called “classic texts†as the starting

point, but it would be not proper to think that that is what

<==

But I trust that going by the available sage quotes is the ONLY right

path to understand this ancient system; Because they knew at least what they

are talking about, because they only created this system. There words are

better than the so called scholars who speak elaborately speak about the system

without referring to the classics, imagining anything that comes to their mind.

ya, that could be the path of many - but certainly not my path.

==>

a)

Exaclty what Maharishis

<==

There are many. To name a few - Skanda, Daksha, Vasishta, Kausika

(Viswamitra), Sounaka, Garga, Rishiputra, Vridha Garga, Yavaneswara,

Lomasa, Parasara and so on.

==>

b) We

have all the texts and and in proper form

<==

We have some texts in full and many in fragments - and all of

them as a whole is sufficiant enough to give us a complete

picture. Remember one thing - " Know what is before you

and then things hidden from you will get revealed to you "

- tells us an enlightened soul. That is the path of true learning and

research....Know it as a fact.

==>

c) We

have proper translations of the same.

<==

DON'T depend on the translations, but depend on the ORIGINALS. That

is the RIGHT path. Translations - do it yourself.

==>

So

consider this as starting point and only starting point and the end point will

be or we can say that we have understood what the sages have taught only when

we are able to predict events 100% or rather understand the essence of Jyotish

100%.

<==

Even if you are one of those sages, or even if you are god

- predicting to 100% accuracy is an impossibility. (Meditate on - Why?)

They have clarified it amply in numerous instances, and this is a one

of the basic facts to be understood even by a bigginner who what to learn this

subject.

==>

Has it

occurred to anyone that maybe our Maharishis DID NOT want everyone to have full

knowledge? Have full knowledge, would mean having absolute power and

absolute power will corrupt.

Maybe all the knowledge was intentionally dispersed across the world, with some

knowledge with the say Mayans some with the Greek or Yavans, some hidden in the

Kabbalah, some in western astrology etc etc.

<==

There is NO POSSIBILITY of absolute knowledge - so the above

statement losses its focus. But it is good to exercise your imagination

and try to correlate various fragmented knowledge found in various places -

because everything may have a common source - similar to 'some ancient lost

civilization' as Graham Hancock puts it. (in 'Finger prints of gods')

:=)

==>

Only the

big guy upstairs knows what our ancient maharishis really wanted and the actual

reason why the medium of instruction was only verbal, why is all this knowledge

dispersed, and why the texts were destroyed etc etc.

<==

There is no big guy upstairs, since upstairs and downstairs are

one; east and west are one; looking at the big picture. If earth is a globe,

then which is east and which is west? which is north and which is south? ya,

for practical purpose imagining a guy upstairs would be good, but he is the

creation of your own mind; the truth is - " the universe is a single flux -

the law, law giver, and obeyer of the laws all in one; the creator, creation,

and creativity all in one " . God is as imperfect as we are; the universe is

as imperfect as we are; and only an imperfect and evolving

system can be termed ALIVE. Anything perfect without change is simply 'dead',

and I don't think god is dead, divinity is dead - it is as alive as we

are, and we ourselves is the solid proof of such a divinity, such a

creative force in action - the universe IS god.

Note: But Ash all your words too are just philosophical, where is your SOLID

examples; practical application?

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

 

 

,

" Ash's Corner " <kas wrote:

 

RE: Re: Quiz - Oh! Friends! Is it

true?!!!

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Sreenadh,

I don’t think u understood what I was trying to say, Oh I

don’t doubt that what our ancient seers taught us is not correct.

However my emphasis is on “What Words of the Sages?â€Â.

How do we know for sure that what the sages said and what is translated

in English today are same. That can’t be assumed.

So, let me clarify, that what our ancient seers and sages taught

was perfect, but what we have today cannot be said that that is exactly what

the sages taught.

So just quoting blindly using incomplete texts, by

translators who might not have grasped the essence of what the real meaning of

the shokes were meant to be, inability to interpret it w.r.t point in time,

i.e. for example, somewhere its given that Ju in 4th house means

elephants at door step, now that has to be translated in todays worlds as maybe

chauffer derive limousine or something like that, and even one step before

that, has the exact shloke been written done exactly as the way our ancient

seers have said?

Back then the medium of teaching was verbal so someone at some

point might have documented all this.

So many layers of area where interpretation might go wrong.

In reference to your comment about having patience, to that I have

to say that I have decided when I started learning Jyotish, so not to worry,

it’s a life long journey (or several lifetimes), but the only way in my

opinion to do justice to our ancient seers is to make accurate prediction, by

that I mean, 80-100% of charts must be read accurately. That would automatically

imply that what they taught and what we have understood is perfect J

That and only that is and can be the truth.

I also understand that there has to be a start somewhere, and u can

use these so called remains that we have today called “classic texts†as

the starting point, but it would be not proper to think that that is what

a) Exaclty what Maharishis

b) We have all the texts and and in proper form

c) We have proper translations of the same.

So consider this as starting point and only starting point and the

end point will be or we can say that we have understood what the sages have

taught only when we are able to predict events 100% or rather understand the

essence of Jyotish 100%.

Also one more thought and this is on a tangent, but since its come

to my mind, I will note it down. Has it occurred to anyone that maybe our

Maharishis DID NOT want everyone to have full knowledge? Have full

knowledge, would mean having absolute power and absolute power will corrupt.

Maybe all the knowledge was intentionally dispersed across the

world, with some knowledge with the say Mayans some with the Greek or Yavans,

some hidden in the Kabbalah, some in western astrology etc etc.

Only the big guy upstairs knows what our ancient maharishis really

wanted and the actual reason why the medium of instruction was only verbal, why

is all this knowledge dispersed, and why the texts were destroyed etc etc.

 

Cheers !!!

 

Ash

> _____

>

>

 

On Behalf Of Sreenadh

> Wednesday January 9, 2008 6:55 AM

>

> Re: Quiz - Oh! Friends! Is it

true?!!!

>

>

>

> Dear Ash ji,

> Wait pls. You will right away see that their words are right -

> and error is only in our understanding. Have patiants and don't be

> in a hurry.

> Love and regards,

> Sreenadh

>

> ancient_indian_ <%40>

astrology , " Ash's Corner@ "

> kas@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sreenadh,

> >

> >

> >

> > Yes, I agree with u, but my only grave concern and this question

> that worries me is that  " What did parasara actually say and

teach

> v/s what had been understood and written down and available in texts

> today?â€ÂÂ. If there is a difference and if everyone is following

> that blindly and if such things do not pass the test of actually

> practical solving of charts then that must mean that there is some

> discrepancy there.

> >

> >

> >

> > Cheers !!!

> >

> > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca>

ca> http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca

> >

> > _____

> >

> > ancient_indian_ <%40>

astrology

> [ancient_indian_ <%40>

astrology ] On Behalf Of

> Sreenadh

> > Tuesday January 8, 2008 6:15 AM

> > ancient_indian_ <%40>

astrology

> > Re: Quiz - Oh! Friends! Is

it

> true?!!!

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Remesh ji,

> > ==>

> > > Both of you are correct your own way.

> > > But the problem is, mixing two different system.

> > <==

> > You are absolutely right.

> >

> > This is what I tried to explain in my previous post - the

> methodologies/systems differ - i.e. ancient Indian astrology (let us

> denote it as AIA) and KAS. But as far us the case (statement of

> Parasara and Lomasa regarding 2nd lord 2nd house) is concerned the

> systems/methodologies are irrelevant - what we are (and should be)

> interested in is verifying whether the said result is true in known

> horoscopes or not.

> > I also agree that - multiple factors should indicate the same to

> state such a result with confidence. But the point I wanted to

> emphasis (supporting the statement of the sages) was that

†" for

> sure it shows a trend in that direction, i.e. in the direction of

> fructification of multiple marriages; in the absence of other

> supporting yogas/combinations, it is NOT necessary that just

> because of this combination the said result should fructify; but

> this shouldn't hold us back from giving proper waitage to the

> statemnt of those sages.

> > Love and regards,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > ancient_indian_ <%40>

astrology , ramesh mishra

> <aarceemastro2002@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Ash and Sreenadh,

> > > Sorry to intrtvene here. Both of you are correct your own way.

> > > But the problem is, mixing two different system.

> > > In VA for second marriage second house is considered if I am not

 

> wrong.

> > > 8th house is for break in first marriage and 7th from 8th is

> second that is why 2nd house is for second marriage.

> > > But chart must indicate multiple marriages.

> > > For that we have to see the status of Ve. Its relationship with

> Ma. Sa and Ra.

> > > The placemeent of Ve in dual signs.

> > > Thanks and regards.

> > > Ramesh Mishra

> > >

> > > " Ash's Corner@ " kas@ wrote:

> > > Dear Sreenadh,

> > >

> > > I do not think we are on the same wavelength here. Ve exalts in

> Pisces the 12th house and in upachaya from 7th house. That is 11th

> from Taurus. That is correct.

> > >

> > > But for a person to have extra marital relationship he must have

 

> some yogs indicating that, his personality and character must be

> such. There must be problems or some such things indicating.

> > >

> > > Here 2nd house means karak for marriage is what I am seeing

> period. If 2nd house is spoilt or Venus is spoilt then the results

> of 7th house are spoilt, so it means there might be multiple

> marriages or no marriage or some such thing means disturbed 7th

> house.

> > >

> > > However for a person to break the marital bond and go outside

> the boundaries and have extra marital relation must be indicated by

> the nature of the person, status of venus etc etc i.e. in short more

> yogs.

> > >

> > > 2nd house as per your mail, you wrote that it denotes own

> home??? I am not clear with that either. House and fixed assets are

> 4th house. 2nd house is kutumb or family and wealth i.e. bonds,

> stocks gold as per todays day and age and back in old days, also

> knowledge i.e. Karak is Jupiter lord of 9th house in Kalpurush chart

> and your Guru and father too.

> > >

> > > How are u linking home to 2nd house or let me put it in other

> way, I have not understood in what context have u linked Home to 2nd

> house?

> > >

> > >

> > > 2nd house is 10th from 5th so primary upachaya. So in dasha of

> 2nd or 10th lord that might trigger 5th house. Now that only need

> not be romance, it can be a person might get his or her degree in

> education or might gain in speculation, or might win a lottery.

> > >

> > > For a person to have romantic relation, he or she must have some

 

> particular nature or yogs like say Mars and Venus with Sa or say Ma

> and Ve in 1 house aspected by Saturn, so that can make a person more

> passionate (personality) and then in such case, if antra of 2nd lord

> runs or 10th lord then more chances of something that might happen

> that he or she might meet someone in that antra. Again then, if Ju

> aspects then it might not let it go out of hand etc etc etc like

> other influence of planets modifying the overall nature of the

> person.

> > >

> > > In all cases if 2nd lord is in 2nd house then all such persons

> will have multiple marriages etc might not hold true in all charts.

> > >

> > >

> > > Cheers !!!

> > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca>

ca

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ancient_indian_ <%40>

astrology

> [ancient_indian_ <%40>

astrology ] On Behalf Of

> Sreenadh

> > > Tuesday January 8, 2008 3:52 AM

> > > ancient_indian_ <%40>

astrology

> > > Re: Quiz - Oh! Friends!

Is

> it true?!!!

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Ash,

> > > The 2nd and 3rd marriage/'strong extra marital relation'

> mentioned here is not mainly related to 5th (platonic love) or 12th

> (bed pleasures); But rather related to the house indicating 2nd

> marriages or relations within the relationships such as 2nd and 11th

> houses.

> > > Note that 2nd house indicates own home, homely relations; and

> Venus is the lord of 2nd house and 7th house in NH; and also that

> the same Venus gets exalted in 11th (a house signifying 2nd

> marriage) from Taurus. As per NHT2, note that Jupiter is the

> significator of 2nd house and that Jupiter in Taurus (2nd lord in

> any house is equivalent to Jupiter in that house) means, 11th lord

> from Taurus in Taurus. Also note that if we use NHT2, 2nd lord in

> 2nd is equivalent to Mercury in Taurus for Taurus lagna - Mercury is

> debilitated in 11th and owns 2nd house from Tarus - indicting

> relation with both 2nd and 11th house (both house signifying 2nd

> wife/relation). Note that 11th indicates friendship turned into

> relation.

> > >

> > > Thus in essence, the 2nd and 3rd relation mentioned here could

> be -

> > > * Actual marriages that took place (provided enough indication

> of break of first marriage is present in horoscope)

> > > * Friendship turned into strong extra marital relation.

> > > * A relationship mainly caused by the environment/chance

with in

> the family relatives/relations

> > >

> > > This is my opinion - any how I am of the opinion that " if

2nd

> lord is in 2nd house - even though the native may have a clean image

> and he would be good at heart, for sure he will have extra marital

> affairs; almost strong as a marriage " . It is not that the native is

> immoral, non-sincere, does not loves his wife or something like

> that; it is just that for fulfillment (complimenting) he needs some

> extra relations - and have it, solid. If even by a slight chance if

> his marriage is affected, the very next day you will find him

> settled in the next relation (married!) again enjoying life. May be

> some more examples and actual experiences may confirm or negate this

> derivation.

> > > Love and regards,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

> > > ancient_indian_ <%40>

astrology , " Ash's Corner@ "

> kas@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sreenadh,

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I read your reply and am not able to understand what u mean

by

> 2 or 3 wives?

> > > > Do u mean in the literal sense, i.e. w.r.t 7th house so

> partner in property

> > > > or do mean affairs i.e. 5th house matter platonic or 12th

> house matters

> > > > which involves pleasures?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > If a person say in India as 2 or 3 wives, then that

might be a

> bigamous

> > > > marriage which might be punishable by law. Or do u mean

that

> he or she

> > > > might have a marriage then divorce and then marry 2nd time

and

> divorce and

> > > > marry 3rd time like that?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Yes, one more thing about 2nd lord is that in antra of 2nd

> lord a person

> > > > worries, so at that time, a male might generate more Y

> chromosomes so that

> > > > might be a factor in having more female children.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > In KAS, if 3:6:10:11 points are in rising trend in Male

chart,

> then mostly

> > > > the 1st child is female. This is due to the logic that such

 

> persons are

> > > > very enterprising, just see the chart that Renu gave of CEO

 

> where I said

> > > > that native might be in business but he was CEO, I wrote a

> mail I think in

> > > > response to that as well, so if the person is taking on

large

> ventures to

> > > > establish business or if he is rising to much power and

> conception happens

> > > > then there are MORE chances of having a female child.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Maybe that is why or some base of it might be there in this

 

> 2nd lord in

> > > > lagna logic as well?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Cheers !!!

> > > >

> > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca>

ca> http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca

> > > >

> > > > _____

> > > >

> > > > ancient_indian_ <%40>

astrology

> > > > [ancient_indian_ <%40>

astrology ] On Behalf Of

> Sreenadh

> > > > Tuesday January 8, 2008 12:56 AM

> > > > ancient_indian_ <%40>

astrology

> > > > Re: Quiz - Oh!

Friends! Is

> it true?!!!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Vinita ji,

> > > > That was a good attempt. As for NHT2, assume Taurus as

> lagna and that

> > > > 2nd lord from Taurus (i.e. Mercury) is in Taurus. Note that

 

> Venus gets

> > > > debilitated in 5th Virgo, and also that mercury is a female

 

> eunuch.

> > > > But in face of the lawyers horoscope presented by Krishna ji

> and the mail

> > > > of Gopu ji, I should clarify the reading as per the Rishi

> horas. We need to

> > > > verify this reading, and I will stand by in support of the

> sage quotes, and

> > > > let us see what the reality and facts has to reveal.

> > > >

> > > > " If 2nd lord is in 2nd house, the native would be

egotic. He

> may have 2 or

> > > > 3 wives (affairs or near marriage relations also will do),

but

> won't have

> > > > any children (especially son). He would be wealthy, will

> indulge in

> > > > righteous deeds. He will enjoy much worldly pleasures. He

will

> have much

> > > > income/earnings/gain/profit, but would be stingy. He

will

> always try to

> > > > increase his earnings, and would be after accumulating more

 

> and more money.

> > > > He would be a very able individual (in work, earnings,

speech

> etc). "

> > > > The Dasa of the 2nd lord would be very prosperous. The

tight-

> fistedness

> > > > of the native comes from his intention to avoid wasteful

> expenses; it is not

> > > > that he will not spend enough money for useful things. For

> useful and right

> > > > things he will spend money without any stinginess. The

multiple

> > > > relationships of the native spring not from his immoral

> attitude, but rather

> > > > from his sincerity. He is sincere to himself and to the

people

> he comes in

> > > > contact with. If he happens to make relationships with

women,

> due to the too

> > > > much sincerity, the chance for it to turn into a strong

> relation (strong as

> > > > marriage) is very big. This is what prompts the sage to

> mention - multiple

> > > > wives for the native.

> > > > Let us to what extend these clear derivations actualized in

 

> real

> > > > horoscopes or not. I request the readers with the same

> combination to share

> > > > their experience; and their response/coment about the above

 

> reading.

> > > > Love and regards,

> > > > Sreenadh

> > > >

> > > > ancient_indian_ <%40>

astrology , " vinita kumar "

> > > > shankar_mamta@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Shreenadh ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > ok here is my take on this ...not that it will

necessarily

> be close

> > > > > to the right answer , but then u can once again

appreciate

> the

> > > > > effort

> > > > >

> > > > > Why should such a person have no son?

> > > > >

> > > > > 2nd lord in 2nd...in the natural zodiac this is Venus

in

> Taurus.

> > > > > Venus is a female planet which gets strengthened in

its

> feminine

> > > > > characteristics being in its own sign. Taurus is an

even

> sign also

> > > > > equal to female??? dunno!

> > > > >

> > > > > i dont know if this application is correct, but

assuming 2nd

> house

> > > > > to be first...the fifth house is Virgo, another female

sign.

> > > > >

> > > > > Now for the 2nd question which is tougher....this

person may

> have 2-

> > > > > 3 wives....why and how?

> > > > >

> > > > > 7th house is the significator of marriage....first

marriage

> or all

> > > > > marriages?

> > > > >

> > > > > i dunno what is the significator of 2nd marriage, but

i have

> heard

> > > > > or read somewhere that 2nd to 7th, ie., 8th H is the

> significator of

> > > > > 2nd marriage, 9th the significator of 3rd marriage and

so

> on...Of

> > > > > course, i don't know the basis of such pronouncements.

> > > > >

> > > > > Going by the bhavat bhavam principle 8th from 8thH is

3rdH

> just as

> > > > > 3rdH is also 2nd from 2nd.

> > > > >

> > > > > 2nd from 2nd (Taurus) is Gemini, a dual sign and also

a sign

> of

> > > > > copulation....so maybe more than one marriage.

> > > > >

> > > > > Venus from Taurus aspects Mars ruled Scorpio...Scorpio

is

> the hidden

> > > > > 8th house also related to sex....but then i don't know

how

> this fits

> > > > > in with formal 2nd or 3rd marriage. Of course, if such

 

> marriages are

> > > > > not in the open and hidden, there would be some

connection

> there.

> > > > >

> > > > > i am afraid this is the best i could do. i have not

used the

> nh2

> > > > > principle successfully because it is yet to sink in in

terms

> of

> > > > > application.

> > > > >

> > > > > warm regards,

> > > > > vinita

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ancient_indian_ <%40>

astrology ,

> Krishnamurthy

> > > > > Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Let me try -

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If 2nd lord is in 2nd, he would influence the

8th. 8th

> being 2nd

> > > > > from 7th influences the longevity of the spouse.

Hence,

> might be

> > > > > logical to say that the native would have more than

one wife.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Secondly, going by the logic of Kaalapursusha

chart, it

> would be

> > > > > Venus in Taurus for Aries lagna. This also means the

7th

> lord in the

> > > > > second. The 7th lord being a maraka sitting in the

house of

> family

> > > > > is not good.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > But, I can't figure out why NO son.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > All the above is theory. Let me quote a practical

case.

> The

> > > > > chart that I have already shared (that of a lawyer),

he has

> 2nd lord

> > > > > Mercury in the 2nd houuse Virgo. He has a Son - the

only

> child.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:

> > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > Sage Parasara and Lomasa tells us that if 2nd lord

in 2nd -

> > > > > > * The native may have 2 or 3 wives.

> > > > > > * He will have NO son!!

> > > > > > We all know expect a very good reading speaking

out very

> good

> > > > > results such as " good family, wealth, house,

beautiful face,

> > > > > earnings " etc only for such a placement. What

prompted these

> grate

> > > > > sages to make a very strong derivation such as -

" He will

> have no

> > > > > son " ?!! The quiz question is -

> > > > > > * What is the logic behind?

> > > > > > And the verification question is - Is that result

 

> derivations

> > > > > true in actual experience?

> > > > > > Note: I hope that after the previous quiz on 2nd

house

> every

> > > > > body would be much interested in applying the learned

> principles

> > > > > here. ;=)

> > > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > >

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Dear Members,

I think the discussion is going tangential.......even should we have the right lessons in plain english, then why so many examples are required to make them more understanding....?? further new doubts keep coming up in its application....??!!

So questioning the authencity of slokas is misplaced....for those not having prior knowledgeable of Indian History, should first understand & appreciate that Indian scholars NEVER relied on writing down their knowledge as westerners do......for our ancient seers understood, such documents would not survive the time.....one flood or calamity...would destroy so many things....instead our sages have relied to "ERECT" a living scholar worthy enough to answer all those queries....

Example: Sri Adi Shankaracharya saw his disciple writting down some slokas, to which he politely told him NOT required.....but he continued.....after completion the disciple presented to him for review..etc...Sri Shankaracharya....went through that entire script....gave it back to him...with some advice.....a week later....the entire script got washed away in a river flood.....the disciple was depressed....seeing him.....Sri Shankaracharya....reproduced the entire script from his memory.....to the surprise of his disciple.....later became a classic.....do not remember the disciple name could be Sri Padmapada......or the "sanskrit slokas" book name...."Panchapadika"...will post it the name correctly....it had 1000 verses....

Each Sage / Saint/ Guru used to choose his successor and would train him in every aspect including regulating the thoughts....this is what is called Parampara.....{ NOT father/son relations as it happens in astrology circles....for this relation is born out of selfish desire...where the son irrespective of his worthy credentials is given....such parampara can be maximum called Inheritance...cannot be equated to concept of Parampara}....for the original concept is to choose the best worthy successor..i.e. Guru is to select the best amongst all his pupils.....

It is natural that with changing society, some of the slokas might have undergone a transformation.....yet the original essence is retained.

Example: In mythology Mahabharat - Princess Draupadi is supposed to be insulted in the court of Emperor Dhritarastra.....in good olds days, Women being called to "Male" dominated courts were itself a insult, {there are countries, where during monthly biological cycles in women - they are officially permitted to take leave from 1-3 days without asking approvals},.... so calling them during that biological cycles..is also an insult.....with change of society....it became a issue of "dis-robing".....may be later tomorrow somebody will change to "raped"....etc.., but the centre of the fact is - she was insulted, this event is mis-represented and mis-communicated....but not deleted.....!!!

Western societies in terms of their advancement in their regions i.e. Society.....how cruel they can be .....could be seen during the Yugloslavian, Iraq, Vietnam, Australia {for their touch of rasicm in sports - cricket...recent news...} conflicts....i.e. Serbia, Kosovo, Croatia..etc.. Yes, they are all advanced. The rejected Princess of UK {name I forgot...i.e. Ex. Daughter -In-Law of Queen Elizabeth} found solace in Bangalore !! by her own admission.....for our hindu society has still the resilence to absorb anyone......

If someone has done an exercise of collecting rare slokas, why pooh-phooh it even before reading it ??

Saints & Sages have come and gone, but none disputed the vedas. To expect each seer to write a book on every known matter would be an far-fetched....to expect... two scholars to be in same frame of mind would be a illogical......then extending this logic to existing religions, when everybody agrees God is one, but why we need to erect this invisible walls of religion ??

Saints & Sages, have written things in different perspectives and the meanings accordingly differ......because of their respective "Time Stamps" it is for each one of us to understand and appreciate it....its meanings or differences.....

So in the name of science & evidence.......do not hold the reality unfolding.......give your bit.....

With regards,

Sreeram_Srinivas

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Ash, What do you want to establish? Are you after collecting useful info or just after endless arguments?! OK - even though I have this doubt - I am giving my answers. ==>Do you have all the ancient texts in authentic Sanskrit and can you vouch that that is exactly what the Maharishis have said?<== As far as the quotes are useful and valid - I am satisfied; and I have my own methods for the acid test. ==>There are so many contradictions, for example, the Ashtakvarga given in BPHS is different from one given in Varharamira. <== At times some real contradictions may exist, at times like fools seeing both sides of the same kite the learner might be arguing endlessly without understanding how the sages understood the same truth from different perspectives. Brihat Jataka is a coherent and authentic text, but BPHS even though provides valuable material is neither coherent nor fully dependable. Rather than an original text, it is a manipulated text, and in the current stage it is at times very difficult to identify what was part of the original and what not. For example "No Rishi horas speak about Ashtaskavarga" and in BPHS you may find even that - a clear proof of the fact that it is a manipulated text of later origin. For me one of the acid test for BPHS quotes is that - only the part of BPHS that tallies with the methodologies presented by the other Rishi horas, I accept as authentic and useful, and the rest I simply reject and not interested in. ==>I refuse to believe that the 2 great maharishies have given Ashtakavarga differently. <== You got a point I refuse even to believe that Sage parasara even know about Ashtaka varga system which seems to have originated only after 5th century AD. Definitely this points to the fact that the currently available BPHS is not at all a fully dependable text even though much valuable. So the point is - our approach to the ancient texts simply differ. ==>But one thing I respect and kudos to you is that if u are on the path to becoming a Sanskrit scholar and understanding how to interpret the shokes that would be wonderful. Some day you can decipher so many things that might have been mis interpreted. <== Thanks for the kudo - but I am simply not interested in becoming a Sanskrit scholar; I am learning, presenting the knowledge in them due to the simple reasons - * I am interested in astrology. * I am interested in sharing the knowledge I collect. This is what I am interested in and not in things you assume me to be. Your last statement could be right, could be wrong - I am more interested in today than the future.Love and regards,Sreenadh , "Ash's Corner" <kas wrote:

RE: Quiz - Oh! Friends! Is it true?!!! - to Ash

 

 

 

Dear Sreenadh,

I just have one question then after reading your mail.

Do you have all the ancient texts in authentic Sanskrit and can you vouch that that is exactly what the Maharishis have said?

There are so many contradictions, for example, the Ashtakvarga given in BPHS is different from one given in Varharamira. I refuse to believe that the 2 great maharishies have given Ashtakavarga differently. No matter how good u know how to read Sanskrit, but if the Sanskrit shlokes are not written correctly then what?

In any case all this is getting rhetorical so we can stick to facts and trying to get to the bottom of the laws that you are translating. That will be very good and some good churning of thoughts will take place.

But one thing I respect and kudos to you is that if u are on the path to becoming a Sanskrit scholar and understanding how to interpret the shokes that would be wonderful. Some day you can dechiper so many things that might have been mis interpreted.

 

Cheers !!!

Ash> > _____> > On Behalf Of Sreenadh> Wednesday January 9, 2008 11:51 PM> > Re: Quiz - Oh! Friends! Is it true?!!! - to Ash> > > > Dear Ash,> ==>> How do we know for sure that what the sages said and what is translated in English today are same. That can’t be assumed.> > So, let me clarify, that what our ancient seers and sages taught was perfect, but what we have today cannot be said that that is exactly what the sages taught.> <==> I don't depend on English translations, but only on ORIGINALS. Actually when one major thread is over I always used to upload the original quotes with commentary in the files section of the group. Also know that it is NOT necessary that what the sages tell us MAYNOT BE PERFECT, but as the originators of this system, they knew well what they are speaking about, which most of the modern day scholars seems to miss.> ==>> So just quoting blindly using incomplete texts, by translators who might not have grasped the essence of what the real meaning of the shokes were meant to be,> <==> Blindness depends on the eye that see...... The second part is irrelevant because I don't depend on English translations, but instead do the translation myself.> ==>> Back then the medium of teaching was verbal so someone at some point might have documented all this.> <==> You assume that what they pened down and what they taught might be different; you assume that what they say and what they mean are different. Then it applies to all the written and spoken communication we do as well - in daily life. If you go by this dictom, to communicate correcty and perfectly you would have to stop speaking and writing. I don't think till you become Buddha or Dakshinamoorti that woule be possible. > ==>> but the only way in my opinion to do justice to our ancient seers is to make accurate prediction, by that I mean, 80-100% of charts must be read accurately. That would automatically imply that what they taught and what we have understood is perfect :-)> That and only that is and can be the truth.> <==> Do it.... Sincerely I am just a kid trying to understand what ever I can by approaching the available words of those sages with reverence... The full blown flowers can try predicting 100% accurate and try convincing others...> ==>> I also understand that there has to be a start somewhere, and u can use these so called remains that we have today called â€Å"classic texts†as the starting point, but it would be not proper to think that that is what> <==> But I trust that going by the available sage quotes is the ONLY right path to understand this ancient system; Because they knew at least what they are talking about, because they only created this system. There words are better than the so called scholars who speak elaborately speak about the system without referring to the classics, imagining anything that comes to their mind. ya, that could be the path of many - but certainly not my path.> ==>> a) Exaclty what Maharishis> <==> There are many. To name a few - Skanda, Daksha, Vasishta, Kausika (Viswamitra), Sounaka, Garga, Rishiputra, Vridha Garga, Yavaneswara, Lomasa, Parasara and so on.> ==>> b) We have all the texts and and in proper form> <==> We have some texts in full and many in fragments - and all of them as a whole is sufficiant enough to give us a complete picture. Remember one thing - "Know what is before you and then things hidden from you will get revealed to you" - tells us an enlightened soul. That is the path of true learning and research....Know it as a fact.> ==>> c) We have proper translations of the same.> <==> DON'T depend on the translations, but depend on the ORIGINALS. That is the RIGHT path. Translations - do it yourself.> ==>> So consider this as starting point and only starting point and the end point will be or we can say that we have understood what the sages have taught only when we are able to predict events 100% or rather understand the essence of Jyotish 100%.> <==> Even if you are one of those sages, or even if you are god - predicting to 100% accuracy is an impossibility. (Meditate on - Why?) They have clarified it amply in numerous instances, and this is a one of the basic facts to be understood even by a bigginner who what to learn this subject.> ==>> Has it occurred to anyone that maybe our Maharishis DID NOT want everyone to have full knowledge? Have full knowledge, would mean having absolute power and absolute power will corrupt.> Maybe all the knowledge was intentionally dispersed across the world, with some knowledge with the say Mayans some with the Greek or Yavans, some hidden in the Kabbalah, some in western astrology etc etc.> <==> There is NO POSSIBILITY of absolute knowledge - so the above statement losses its focus. But it is good to exercise your imagination and try to correlate various fragmented knowledge found in various places - because everything may have a common source - similar to 'some ancient lost civilization' as Graham Hancock puts it. (in 'Finger prints of gods') :=)> ==>> Only the big guy upstairs knows what our ancient maharishis really wanted and the actual reason why the medium of instruction was only verbal, why is all this knowledge dispersed, and why the texts were destroyed etc etc.> <==> There is no big guy upstairs, since upstairs and downstairs are one; east and west are one; looking at the big picture. If earth is a globe, then which is east and which is west? which is north and which is south? ya, for practical purpose imagining a guy upstairs would be good, but he is the creation of your own mind; the truth is - "the universe is a single flux - the law, law giver, and obeyer of the laws all in one; the creator, creation, and creativity all in one". God is as imperfect as we are; the universe is as imperfect as we are; and only an imperfect and evolving system can be termed ALIVE. Anything perfect without change is simply 'dead', and I don't think god is dead, divinity is dead - it is as alive as we are, and we ourselves is the solid proof of such a divinity, such a creative force in action - the universe IS god.> Note: But Ash all your words too are just philosophical, where is your SOLID examples; practical application? > Love and regards,> Sreenadh> > > , "Ash's Corner@" kas@ wrote:> > RE: Re: Quiz - Oh! Friends! Is it true?!!!> > > > Dear Sreenadh,> > I don’t think u understood what I was trying to say, Oh I don’t doubt that what our ancient seers taught us is not correct.> > However my emphasis is on â€Å"What Words of the Sages?â€Â.> > How do we know for sure that what the sages said and what is translated in English today are same. That can’t be assumed.> > So, let me clarify, that what our ancient seers and sages taught was perfect, but what we have today cannot be said that that is exactly what the sages taught.> > So just quoting blindly using incomplete texts, by translators who might not have grasped the essence of what the real meaning of the shokes were meant to be, inability to interpret it w.r.t point in time, i.e. for example, somewhere its given that Ju in 4th house means elephants at door step, now that has to be translated in todays worlds as maybe chauffer derive limousine or something like that, and even one step before that, has the exact shloke been written done exactly as the way our ancient seers have said?> > Back then the medium of teaching was verbal so someone at some point might have documented all this.> > So many layers of area where interpretation might go wrong.> > In reference to your comment about having patience, to that I have to say that I have decided when I started learning Jyotish, so not to worry, it’s a life long journey (or several lifetimes), but the only way in my opinion to do justice to our ancient seers is to make accurate prediction, by that I mean, 80-100% of charts must be read accurately. That would automatically imply that what they taught and what we have understood is perfect :-)> > That and only that is and can be the truth.> > I also understand that there has to be a start somewhere, and u can use these so called remains that we have today called â€Å"classic texts†as the starting point, but it would be not proper to think that that is what> > a) Exaclty what Maharishis> > b) We have all the texts and and in proper form> > c) We have proper translations of the same.> > So consider this as starting point and only starting point and the end point will be or we can say that we have understood what the sages have taught only when we are able to predict events 100% or rather understand the essence of Jyotish 100%.> > Also one more thought and this is on a tangent, but since its come to my mind, I will note it down. Has it occurred to anyone that maybe our Maharishis DID NOT want everyone to have full knowledge? Have full knowledge, would mean having absolute power and absolute power will corrupt.> > Maybe all the knowledge was intentionally dispersed across the world, with some knowledge with the say Mayans some with the Greek or Yavans, some hidden in the Kabbalah, some in western astrology etc etc.> > Only the big guy upstairs knows what our ancient maharishis really wanted and the actual reason why the medium of instruction was only verbal, why is all this knowledge dispersed, and why the texts were destroyed etc etc.> > Cheers !!!> > Ash> > _____> >> > On Behalf Of Sreenadh> > Wednesday January 9, 2008 6:55 AM> > > > Re: Quiz - Oh! Friends! Is it true?!!!> >> >> >> > Dear Ash ji,> > Wait pls. You will right away see that their words are right -> > and error is only in our understanding. Have patiants and don't be> > in a hurry. > > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> >> > ancient_indian_ <%40> astrology , "Ash's Corner@"> > kas@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sreenadh,> > >> > >> > >> > > Yes, I agree with u, but my only grave concern and this question> > that worries me is that â€Å"What did parasara actually say and teach> > v/s what had been understood and written down and available in texts> > today?â€ÂÂ. If there is a difference and if everyone is following> > that blindly and if such things do not pass the test of actually> > practical solving of charts then that must mean that there is some> > discrepancy there.> > >> > >> > >> > > Cheers !!!> > >> > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca> http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca> > >> > > _____> > >> > > ancient_indian_ <%40> astrology > > [ancient_indian_ <%40> astrology ] On Behalf Of> > Sreenadh> > > Tuesday January 8, 2008 6:15 AM> > > ancient_indian_ <%40> astrology > > > Re: Quiz - Oh! Friends! Is it> > true?!!!> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Remesh ji,> > > ==>> > > > Both of you are correct your own way.> > > > But the problem is, mixing two different system.> > > <==> > > You are absolutely right.> > >> > > This is what I tried to explain in my previous post - the> > methodologies/systems differ - i.e. ancient Indian astrology (let us> > denote it as AIA) and KAS. But as far us the case (statement of> > Parasara and Lomasa regarding 2nd lord 2nd house) is concerned the> > systems/methodologies are irrelevant - what we are (and should be)> > interested in is verifying whether the said result is true in known> > horoscopes or not.> > > I also agree that - multiple factors should indicate the same to> > state such a result with confidence. But the point I wanted to> > emphasis (supporting the statement of the sages) was that ÃÆ'¢â‚¬" for> > sure it shows a trend in that direction, i.e. in the direction of> > fructification of multiple marriages; in the absence of other> > supporting yogas/combinations, it is NOT necessary that just> > because of this combination the said result should fructify; but> > this shouldn't hold us back from giving proper waitage to the> > statemnt of those sages.> > > Love and regards,> > > Sreenadh> > >> > > ancient_indian_ <%40> astrology , ramesh mishra> > <aarceemastro2002@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Ash and Sreenadh,> > > > Sorry to intrtvene here. Both of you are correct your own way.> > > > But the problem is, mixing two different system.> > > > In VA for second marriage second house is considered if I am not> > wrong.> > > > 8th house is for break in first marriage and 7th from 8th is> > second that is why 2nd house is for second marriage.> > > > But chart must indicate multiple marriages.> > > > For that we have to see the status of Ve. Its relationship with> > Ma. Sa and Ra.> > > > The placemeent of Ve in dual signs.> > > > Thanks and regards.> > > > Ramesh Mishra> > > >> > > > "Ash's Corner@" kas@ wrote:> > > > Dear Sreenadh,> > > >> > > > I do not think we are on the same wavelength here. Ve exalts in> > Pisces the 12th house and in upachaya from 7th house. That is 11th> > from Taurus. That is correct.> > > >> > > > But for a person to have extra marital relationship he must have> > some yogs indicating that, his personality and character must be> > such. There must be problems or some such things indicating.> > > >> > > > Here 2nd house means karak for marriage is what I am seeing> > period. If 2nd house is spoilt or Venus is spoilt then the results> > of 7th house are spoilt, so it means there might be multiple> > marriages or no marriage or some such thing means disturbed 7th> > house.> > > >> > > > However for a person to break the marital bond and go outside> > the boundaries and have extra marital relation must be indicated by> > the nature of the person, status of venus etc etc i.e. in short more> > yogs.> > > >> > > > 2nd house as per your mail, you wrote that it denotes own> > home??? I am not clear with that either. House and fixed assets are> > 4th house. 2nd house is kutumb or family and wealth i.e. bonds,> > stocks gold as per todays day and age and back in old days, also> > knowledge i.e. Karak is Jupiter lord of 9th house in Kalpurush chart> > and your Guru and father too.> > > >> > > > How are u linking home to 2nd house or let me put it in other> > way, I have not understood in what context have u linked Home to 2nd> > house?> > > >> > > >> > > > 2nd house is 10th from 5th so primary upachaya. So in dasha of> > 2nd or 10th lord that might trigger 5th house. Now that only need> > not be romance, it can be a person might get his or her degree in> > education or might gain in speculation, or might win a lottery.> > > >> > > > For a person to have romantic relation, he or she must have some> > particular nature or yogs like say Mars and Venus with Sa or say Ma> > and Ve in 1 house aspected by Saturn, so that can make a person more> > passionate (personality) and then in such case, if antra of 2nd lord> > runs or 10th lord then more chances of something that might happen> > that he or she might meet someone in that antra. Again then, if Ju> > aspects then it might not let it go out of hand etc etc etc like> > other influence of planets modifying the overall nature of the> > person.> > > >> > > > In all cases if 2nd lord is in 2nd house then all such persons> > will have multiple marriages etc might not hold true in all charts.> > > >> > > >> > > > Cheers !!!> > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ <%40> astrology > > [ancient_indian_ <%40> astrology ] On Behalf Of> > Sreenadh> > > > Tuesday January 8, 2008 3:52 AM> > > > ancient_indian_ <%40> astrology > > > > Re: Quiz - Oh! Friends! Is> > it true?!!!> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Ash,> > > > The 2nd and 3rd marriage/'strong extra marital relation'> > mentioned here is not mainly related to 5th (platonic love) or 12th> > (bed pleasures); But rather related to the house indicating 2nd> > marriages or relations within the relationships such as 2nd and 11th> > houses.> > > > Note that 2nd house indicates own home, homely relations; and> > Venus is the lord of 2nd house and 7th house in NH; and also that> > the same Venus gets exalted in 11th (a house signifying 2nd> > marriage) from Taurus. As per NHT2, note that Jupiter is the> > significator of 2nd house and that Jupiter in Taurus (2nd lord in> > any house is equivalent to Jupiter in that house) means, 11th lord> > from Taurus in Taurus. Also note that if we use NHT2, 2nd lord in> > 2nd is equivalent to Mercury in Taurus for Taurus lagna - Mercury is> > debilitated in 11th and owns 2nd house from Tarus - indicting> > relation with both 2nd and 11th house (both house signifying 2nd> > wife/relation). Note that 11th indicates friendship turned into> > relation.> > > >> > > > Thus in essence, the 2nd and 3rd relation mentioned here could> > be -> > > > * Actual marriages that took place (provided enough indication> > of break of first marriage is present in horoscope)> > > > * Friendship turned into strong extra marital relation.> > > > * A relationship mainly caused by the environment/chance with in> > the family relatives/relations> > > >> > > > This is my opinion - any how I am of the opinion that "if 2nd> > lord is in 2nd house - even though the native may have a clean image> > and he would be good at heart, for sure he will have extra marital> > affairs; almost strong as a marriage". It is not that the native is> > immoral, non-sincere, does not loves his wife or something like> > that; it is just that for fulfillment (complimenting) he needs some> > extra relations - and have it, solid. If even by a slight chance if> > his marriage is affected, the very next day you will find him> > settled in the next relation (married!) again enjoying life. May be> > some more examples and actual experiences may confirm or negate this> > derivation.> > > > Love and regards,> > > > Sreenadh> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ <%40> astrology , "Ash's Corner@"> > kas@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sreenadh,> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > I read your reply and am not able to understand what u mean by> > 2 or 3 wives?> > > > > Do u mean in the literal sense, i.e. w.r.t 7th house so> > partner in property> > > > > or do mean affairs i.e. 5th house matter platonic or 12th> > house matters> > > > > which involves pleasures?> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > If a person say in India as 2 or 3 wives, then that might be a> > bigamous> > > > > marriage which might be punishable by law. Or do u mean that> > he or she> > > > > might have a marriage then divorce and then marry 2nd time and> > divorce and> > > > > marry 3rd time like that?> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Yes, one more thing about 2nd lord is that in antra of 2nd> > lord a person> > > > > worries, so at that time, a male might generate more Y> > chromosomes so that> > > > > might be a factor in having more female children.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > In KAS, if 3:6:10:11 points are in rising trend in Male chart,> > then mostly> > > > > the 1st child is female. This is due to the logic that such> > persons are> > > > > very enterprising, just see the chart that Renu gave of CEO> > where I said> > > > > that native might be in business but he was CEO, I wrote a> > mail I think in> > > > > response to that as well, so if the person is taking on large> > ventures to> > > > > establish business or if he is rising to much power and> > conception happens> > > > > then there are MORE chances of having a female child.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Maybe that is why or some base of it might be there in this> > 2nd lord in> > > > > lagna logic as well?> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Cheers !!!> > > > >> > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca> http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca> > > > >> > > > > _____> > > > >> > > > > ancient_indian_ <%40> astrology > > > > > [ancient_indian_ <%40> astrology ] On Behalf Of> > Sreenadh> > > > > Tuesday January 8, 2008 12:56 AM> > > > > ancient_indian_ <%40> astrology > > > > > Re: Quiz - Oh! Friends! Is> > it true?!!!> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Vinita ji,> > > > > That was a good attempt. As for NHT2, assume Taurus as> > lagna and that> > > > > 2nd lord from Taurus (i.e. Mercury) is in Taurus. Note that> > Venus gets> > > > > debilitated in 5th Virgo, and also that mercury is a female> > eunuch.> > > > > But in face of the lawyers horoscope presented by Krishna ji> > and the mail> > > > > of Gopu ji, I should clarify the reading as per the Rishi> > horas. We need to> > > > > verify this reading, and I will stand by in support of the> > sage quotes, and> > > > > let us see what the reality and facts has to reveal. > > > > >> > > > > "If 2nd lord is in 2nd house, the native would be egotic. He> > may have 2 or> > > > > 3 wives (affairs or near marriage relations also will do), but> > won't have> > > > > any children (especially son). He would be wealthy, will> > indulge in> > > > > righteous deeds. He will enjoy much worldly pleasures. He will> > have much> > > > > income/earnings/gain/profit, but would be stingy. He will> > always try to> > > > > increase his earnings, and would be after accumulating more> > and more money.> > > > > He would be a very able individual (in work, earnings, speech> > etc)."> > > > > The Dasa of the 2nd lord would be very prosperous. The tight-> > fistedness> > > > > of the native comes from his intention to avoid wasteful> > expenses; it is not> > > > > that he will not spend enough money for useful things. For> > useful and right> > > > > things he will spend money without any stinginess. The multiple> > > > > relationships of the native spring not from his immoral> > attitude, but rather> > > > > from his sincerity. He is sincere to himself and to the people> > he comes in> > > > > contact with. If he happens to make relationships with women,> > due to the too> > > > > much sincerity, the chance for it to turn into a strong> > relation (strong as> > > > > marriage) is very big. This is what prompts the sage to> > mention - multiple> > > > > wives for the native.> > > > > Let us to what extend these clear derivations actualized in> > real> > > > > horoscopes or not. I request the readers with the same> > combination to share> > > > > their experience; and their response/coment about the above> > reading.> > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > Sreenadh> > > > >> > > > > ancient_indian_ <%40> astrology , "vinita kumar"> > > > > shankar_mamta@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Shreenadh ji,> > > > > >> > > > > > ok here is my take on this ...not that it will necessarily> > be close> > > > > > to the right answer , but then u can once again appreciate> > the> > > > > > effort > > > > > >> > > > > > Why should such a person have no son?> > > > > >> > > > > > 2nd lord in 2nd...in the natural zodiac this is Venus in> > Taurus.> > > > > > Venus is a female planet which gets strengthened in its> > feminine> > > > > > characteristics being in its own sign. Taurus is an even> > sign also> > > > > > equal to female??? dunno!> > > > > >> > > > > > i dont know if this application is correct, but assuming 2nd> > house> > > > > > to be first...the fifth house is Virgo, another female sign.> > > > > >> > > > > > Now for the 2nd question which is tougher....this person may> > have 2-> > > > > > 3 wives....why and how?> > > > > >> > > > > > 7th house is the significator of marriage....first marriage> > or all> > > > > > marriages?> > > > > >> > > > > > i dunno what is the significator of 2nd marriage, but i have> > heard> > > > > > or read somewhere that 2nd to 7th, ie., 8th H is the> > significator of> > > > > > 2nd marriage, 9th the significator of 3rd marriage and so> > on...Of> > > > > > course, i don't know the basis of such pronouncements.> > > > > >> > > > > > Going by the bhavat bhavam principle 8th from 8thH is 3rdH> > just as> > > > > > 3rdH is also 2nd from 2nd.> > > > > >> > > > > > 2nd from 2nd (Taurus) is Gemini, a dual sign and also a sign> > of> > > > > > copulation....so maybe more than one marriage.> > > > > >> > > > > > Venus from Taurus aspects Mars ruled Scorpio...Scorpio is> > the hidden> > > > > > 8th house also related to sex....but then i don't know how> > this fits> > > > > > in with formal 2nd or 3rd marriage. Of course, if such> > marriages are> > > > > > not in the open and hidden, there would be some connection> > there.> > > > > >> > > > > > i am afraid this is the best i could do. i have not used the> > nh2> > > > > > principle successfully because it is yet to sink in in terms> > of> > > > > > application.> > > > > >> > > > > > warm regards,> > > > > > vinita> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ <%40> astrology ,> > Krishnamurthy> > > > > > Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Let me try -> > > > > > >> > > > > > > If 2nd lord is in 2nd, he would influence the 8th. 8th> > being 2nd> > > > > > from 7th influences the longevity of the spouse. Hence,> > might be> > > > > > logical to say that the native would have more than one wife.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Secondly, going by the logic of Kaalapursusha chart, it> > would be> > > > > > Venus in Taurus for Aries lagna. This also means the 7th> > lord in the> > > > > > second. The 7th lord being a maraka sitting in the house of> > family> > > > > > is not good.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > But, I can't figure out why NO son.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > All the above is theory. Let me quote a practical case.> > The> > > > > > chart that I have already shared (that of a lawyer), he has> > 2nd lord> > > > > > Mercury in the 2nd houuse Virgo. He has a Son - the only> > child.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > Krishna> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:> > > > > > > Dear All,> > > > > > > Sage Parasara and Lomasa tells us that if 2nd lord in 2nd -> > > > > > > * The native may have 2 or 3 wives.> > > > > > > * He will have NO son!!> > > > > > > We all know expect a very good reading speaking out very> > good> > > > > > results such as "good family, wealth, house, beautiful face,> > > > > > earnings" etc only for such a placement. What prompted these> > grate> > > > > > sages to make a very strong derivation such as - "He will> > have no> > > > > > son"?!! The quiz question is -> > > > > > > * What is the logic behind?> > > > > > > And the verification question is - Is that result> > derivations> > > > > > true in actual experience?> > > > > > > Note: I hope that after the previous quiz on 2nd house> > every> > > > > > body would be much interested in applying the learned> > principles> > > > > > here. ;=)> > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast> > with> > > > > > Search.> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > Now you can chat without downloading messenger. Click here to> > know how.> > > >> > >> >>