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Dear Ash-ji,

All this discussion going on 2nds lord in 2nd house, they says definatly two things happens is they will only

1]=get daughters & no son2]= should have extra marital relasons

NEITHER ONE IS 100% , NOT IN MY CASE ANYWAY???

i have same 2nd in 2nd venus in tauras with aries lagna

i have 2 sons,infact we wont daughter & on my 3rd it was not my disesson but my wife abourted when tested he was also male. & the second one like, please trust me i never never had any kind of extra marital,the first girl i know in life is my wife only, there had to be so many other factors applies too, so dont agree with this yog,

thanks

rashmikant

----- Forwarded Message ----Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2008 12:44:14 AM RE: Quiz - Oh! Friends! Is it true?!!!

 

 

Dear Ash,

 

I think you have clearly expressed what I have been thinking and not expressed clearly when you said the following:

 

"I am a very practical person and do not believe in many law’s if they can’t be proven practically and consistently when u take up charts.

 

For example, 2nd lord in 2nd house and then u talk of bhanga yog’s. So we need to talk of both things together i.e the dictum and its contra and then take up charts and then if 80%—90% of them pass though then we got something good and strong.

 

Otherwise, it’s the same thing that is happening on so many lists, that when practical charts are taken then all that theory does not hold any water.

 

 

Even just find 1 law that works consistently and that law should also cover ALL the contras. And put that law up for people to test. That way even the mis-interpretation might get cleared. "

 

You have beautifully expressed what I have been thinking. In fact, that is what I have been following in my research and my write-ups on diabetes etc. that my could find in my blog. My aim is to hit at least 80% accuracy. The combinations I have described have given this kind of result so far.

 

Looks like our philosophies match, though we are using different paths.

 

All the best!

 

Regards,

Krishna

"Ash's Corner (AT) ashtro (DOT) ca" <kas wrote:

 

 

 

 

Dear Sreenadh,

 

You have sent an interesting mail. Sometimes such discussions are so much easier to perform in person or with pen and paper, but alas for this medium. All we can do is try to explain as much as possible hoping that the reader is able to grasp what is being said or understand it. Many a times 2 people are saying the same thing, but just seeing things in different light. This field is so vast and there are “n” number of ways / paths to arrive to the same conclusion. Yes, the way I follow or the path is of KAS system and therefore I have tried to grasp VA using KAS as the path and all my explanations are based on that, so its not about argument, but that is what I know.

 

Even many laws of VA can be explained as per the path or in the language I know which is KAS and I make a conscienceous effort in not mixing the “KAS terminology” that would confuse the readers here and try to just talk things logically.

 

I am a very practical person and do not believe in many law’s if they can’t be proven practically and consistently when u take up charts.

 

For example, 2nd lord in 2nd house and then u talk of bhanga yog’s. So we need to talk of both things together i.e the dictum and its contra and then take up charts and then if 80%—90% of them pass though then we got something good and strong.

 

You have said, that 4th house is for mother and then at the same time u have told that its also for maternal relatives. Now if u go by symmetry of the chart, which I personally believe in, then if u take 9th as father then 3rd house becomes mother, the 7th from 9th house i.e the same logic we say that 1st is SELF and 7th is Spouse or Partner, if 11th is self earned income then 5th is unearned income, if 2nd is self earned wealth then 8th is unearned wealth. If 10th is work then 4th is opposite of that so that is home and enjoyment.

 

So if u go by symmetry of chart then either u take 10th as father and 4th as mother or 9th as father and 3rd as mother. If u take 9th as father and 4th as mother it will similar to saying that 1st is SELF and 8th is wife which does not hold the symmetry.

 

Now, if u are studying ancient Indian astrology then why such things have happened? Here there are 2 possibilities that either someone mis-interpreted things over time and called 4th house which infact is DHAN sthan of Mother.

 

Of in old days, the real wealth of mother was the home and she might be judged based on that (just try to understand what I am saying with open mind and the essence), then in due course of time it might have come to be known as Mother. So u must unearth such things.

 

So many books are making reference to other texts. Sanskrit is complicated.

 

I will share some things, In my chats with Krushnaji, Krushnaji explained to me some verses as given and how its meaning was totally mis-interpreted and somethings which the author could not make out is just left out. What about that?

 

So if u just go by existing texts which are incomplete and then add a layer of its English translation which is flavoured by the author and the translators who might not have translated things properly so many things might have become bungled up over a period of time.

 

Just in this case, 2nd lord in 2nd house, I think 3 people gave their feedback that they did not experience such relations or multiple relations. So it means that this law directly cannot be applied. So we also need to know the bhanga as per your approach means get the FULL picture and then apply on charts and then 80% - 90% of them must pass the test then we are reaching somewhere.

 

Otherwise, it’s the same thing that is happening on so many lists, that when practical charts are taken then all that theory does not hold any water.

 

Even just find 1 law that works consistently and that law should also cover ALL the contras. And put that law up for people to test. That way even the mis-interpretation might get cleared.

 

 

 

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro. ca

 

 

 

 

ancient_indian_ astrology [ ancient_indian_ astrology ] On Behalf Of SreenadhTuesday January 8, 2008 5:17 AMancient_indian_ astrology[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Quiz - Oh! Friends! Is it true?!!!

 

 

 

 

Dear Ash,==>> How are u linking home to 2nd house or let me put it in other way, I have not > understood in what context have u linked Home to 2nd house?> 2nd house as per your mail, you wrote that it denotes own home??? I am not clear > with that either. <== Could be - but that is well popular classical dictum. Ask any astrologer he will tell you that 4th house signify maternal family and 2nd own family - because there are numerous classical quotes that describe/clarify the same. * 4th house signify mother, maternal family, relatives, friends, and natives (people in native place). * 2nd house signify 'Swam' (anything that is our own), 'Bhartavyam Akhilam vittam' (any treasure/money or other things we rule), own family (means the family of our own with wife/husband and children). Bharta (husband) means - ruler; we rule our own family our own wife, our own children. 2nd house indicates own family is a very very popular common info well described in Brihat Jataka, Prasnamarga and

many more texts. 2nd house can signify 2nd marriage this too is well described in many classics. ==>> However for a person to break the marital bond and go outside the boundaries and> have extra marital relation must be indicated by the nature of the person, status of > venus etc etc i.e. in short more yogs.<== I agree - other supporting yogas (like in all the other cases) can help us emphasis such readings and result; but that does not answer the question - whether such a combination indicate such a result or not.

==>> In all cases if 2nd lord is in 2nd house then all such persons will have multiple > marriages etc might not hold true in all charts. <== I agree that in presence of Bhanga yogas the above combination may not hold true in all the charts; but the question is whether the said combination has such a tendency and whether the statement hold true in most of the charts - i.e. at least 6/10. Only the response of the group members can help us identify this - and not theoretical argumentation.

Note that - * The RESULT is proposed by the sages and we only provide the logical reasoning (EXPLANATION) for the same. * What we need to confirm is - whether the results proposed by the sages for this combination, actualize in reality or not; so as to confirm - whether we can depend on that derivation or not. So let the people with actual experience, or people with charts having the same combination, or people who have familiar charts with the same combination come forward and clarify our doubt - and let us stay away for some time from argumentation regarding the same; Because the RESULT is NOT proposed by me; but only the EXPLANATION. As practical astrologers we shouldn't be much concerned about the 'explanation' which depends on individual intellectual acumen, but about the RESULTS - we need to be sure, 'whether we can depend on them or not';

and it is NOT me who is proposing those results - and so I am not bothered even if they are right or wrong. Hope I am making my stand clear. Love and regards,Sreenadhancient_indian_ astrology , "Ash's Corner" <kas wrote:

 

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Dear Sreenadh,

I do not think we are on the same wavelength here. Ve exalts in Pisces the 12th house and in upachaya from 7th house. That is 11th from Taurus. That is correct.

But for a person to have extra marital relationship he must have some yogs indicating that, his personality and character must be such. There must be problems or some such things indicating.

Here 2nd house means karak for marriage is what I am seeing period. If 2nd house is spoilt or Venus is spoilt then the results of 7th house are spoilt, so it means there might be multiple marriages or no marriage or some such thing means disturbed 7th house.

However for a person to break the marital bond and go outside the boundaries and have extra marital relation must be indicated by the nature of the person, status of venus etc etc i.e. in short more yogs.

2nd house as per your mail, you wrote that it denotes own home??? I am not clear with that either. House and fixed assets are 4th house. 2nd house is kutumb or family and wealth i.e. bonds, stocks gold as per todays day and age and back in old days, also knowledge i.e. Karak is Jupiter lord of 9th house in Kalpurush chart and your Guru and father too.

How are u linking home to 2nd house or let me put it in other way, I have not understood in what context have u linked Home to 2nd house?

2nd house is 10th from 5th so primary upachaya. So in dasha of 2nd or 10th lord that might trigger 5th house. Now that only need not be romance, it can be a person might get his or her degree in education or might gain in speculation, or might win a lottery.

For a person to have romantic relation, he or she must have some particular nature or yogs like say Mars and Venus with Sa or say Ma and Ve in 1 house aspected by Saturn, so that can make a person more passionate (personality) and then in such case, if antra of 2nd lord runs or 10th lord then more chances of something that might happen that he or she might meet someone in that antra. Again then, if Ju aspects then it might not let it go out of hand etc etc etc like other influence of planets modifying the overall nature of the person.

In all cases if 2nd lord is in 2nd house then all such persons will have multiple marriages etc might not hold true in all charts.

 

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro. ca

> _____ > > ancient_indian_ astrology> [ ancient_ indian_astrology ] On Behalf Of Sreenadh> Tuesday January 8, 2008 3:52 AM> ancient_indian_ astrology> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Quiz - Oh! Friends! Is it true?!!!> > > > Dear Ash,> The 2nd and 3rd marriage/'strong extra marital relation' mentioned here> is not mainly related to 5th (platonic love) or 12th (bed pleasures); But> rather related to the house indicating 2nd marriages or relations within the> relationships such as 2nd and 11th houses. > Note that 2nd house indicates own home, homely relations; and Venus is the> lord of 2nd house and 7th house in NH; and also that the same Venus gets> exalted in 11th

(a house signifying 2nd marriage) from Taurus. As per NHT2,> note that Jupiter is the significator of 2nd house and that Jupiter in> Taurus (2nd lord in any house is equivalent to Jupiter in that house)> means, 11th lord from Taurus in Taurus. Also note that if we use NHT2, 2nd> lord in 2nd is equivalent to Mercury in Taurus for Taurus lagna - Mercury is> debilitated in 11th and owns 2nd house from Tarus - indicting relation with> both 2nd and 11th house (both house signifying 2nd wife/relation) . Note that> 11th indicates friendship turned into relation.> > Thus in essence, the 2nd and 3rd relation mentioned here could be -> * Actual marriages that took place (provided enough indication of break of> first marriage is present in horoscope)> * Friendship turned into strong extra marital relation.> * A relationship mainly caused by the environment/ chance with in

the> family relatives/relations> > This is my opinion - any how I am of the opinion that "if 2nd lord is in> 2nd house - even though the native may have a clean image and he would be> good at heart, for sure he will have extra marital affairs; almost strong as> a marriage". It is not that the native is immoral, non-sincere, does not> loves his wife or something like that; it is just that for fulfillment> (complimenting) he needs some extra relations - and have it, solid. If even> by a slight chance if his marriage is affected, the very next day you will> find him settled in the next relation (married!) again enjoying life. May> be some more examples and actual experiences may confirm or negate this> derivation. > Love and regards,> Sreenadh> > ancient_indian_ astrology , "Ash's Corner@"> kas@ wrote:>

>> > Dear Sreenadh,> > > > > > > > I read your reply and am not able to understand what u mean by 2 or 3> wives?> > Do u mean in the literal sense, i.e. w.r.t 7th house so partner in> property> > or do mean affairs i.e. 5th house matter platonic or 12th house matters> > which involves pleasures?> > > > > > > > If a person say in India as 2 or 3 wives, then that might be a bigamous> > marriage which might be punishable by law. Or do u mean that he or she> > might have a marriage then divorce and then marry 2nd time and divorce and> > marry 3rd time like that?> > > > > > > > Yes, one more thing about 2nd lord is that in antra of 2nd lord a person> > worries, so at that time, a male might generate more Y chromosomes so that> > might

be a factor in having more female children.> > > > > > > > In KAS, if 3:6:10:11 points are in rising trend in Male chart, then mostly> > the 1st child is female. This is due to the logic that such persons are> > very enterprising, just see the chart that Renu gave of CEO where I said> > that native might be in business but he was CEO, I wrote a mail I think in> > response to that as well, so if the person is taking on large ventures to> > establish business or if he is rising to much power and conception happens> > then there are MORE chances of having a female child.> > > > > > > > Maybe that is why or some base of it might be there in this 2nd lord in> > lagna logic as well?> > > > > > > > Cheers !!!> > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.

ca> http://www.ashtro. ca> > > > _____ > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > [ ancient_ indian_astrology ] On Behalf Of Sreenadh> > Tuesday January 8, 2008 12:56 AM> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Quiz - Oh! Friends! Is it true?!!!> > > > > > > > Dear Vinita ji,> > That was a good attempt. As for NHT2, assume Taurus as lagna and that> > 2nd lord from Taurus (i.e. Mercury) is in Taurus. Note that Venus gets> > debilitated in 5th Virgo, and also that mercury is a female eunuch. > > But in face of the lawyers horoscope presented by Krishna ji and the mail> > of Gopu ji, I should clarify the reading as per the Rishi horas. We need> to> > verify this

reading, and I will stand by in support of the sage quotes,> and> > let us see what the reality and facts has to reveal. > > > > "If 2nd lord is in 2nd house, the native would be egotic. He may have 2 or> > 3 wives (affairs or near marriage relations also will do), but won't have> > any children (especially son). He would be wealthy, will indulge in> > righteous deeds. He will enjoy much worldly pleasures. He will have much> > income/earnings/ gain/profit, but would be stingy. He will always try to> > increase his earnings, and would be after accumulating more and more> money.> > He would be a very able individual (in work, earnings, speech etc)."> > The Dasa of the 2nd lord would be very prosperous. The tight-fistedness> > of the native comes from his intention to avoid wasteful expenses; it is> not> > that he

will not spend enough money for useful things. For useful and> right> > things he will spend money without any stinginess. The multiple> > relationships of the native spring not from his immoral attitude, but> rather> > from his sincerity. He is sincere to himself and to the people he comes in> > contact with. If he happens to make relationships with women, due to the> too> > much sincerity, the chance for it to turn into a strong relation (strong> as> > marriage) is very big. This is what prompts the sage to mention - multiple> > wives for the native. > > Let us to what extend these clear derivations actualized in real> > horoscopes or not. I request the readers with the same combination to> share> > their experience; and their response/coment about the above reading.> > Love and regards,> >

Sreenadh> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology , "vinita kumar"> > shankar_mamta@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Shreenadh ji,> > > > > > ok here is my take on this ...not that it will necessarily be close > > > to the right answer , but then u can once again appreciate the > > > effort > > > > > > Why should such a person have no son?> > > > > > 2nd lord in 2nd...in the natural zodiac this is Venus in Taurus. > > > Venus is a female planet which gets strengthened in its feminine > > > characteristics being in its own sign. Taurus is an even sign also > > > equal to female??? dunno!> > > > > > i dont know if this application is correct, but assuming 2nd house > > > to be first...the fifth house is Virgo,

another female sign.> > > > > > Now for the 2nd question which is tougher....this person may have 2-> > > 3 wives....why and how?> > > > > > 7th house is the significator of marriage.... first marriage or all > > > marriages? > > > > > > i dunno what is the significator of 2nd marriage, but i have heard > > > or read somewhere that 2nd to 7th, ie., 8th H is the significator of > > > 2nd marriage, 9th the significator of 3rd marriage and so on...Of > > > course, i don't know the basis of such pronouncements.> > > > > > Going by the bhavat bhavam principle 8th from 8thH is 3rdH just as > > > 3rdH is also 2nd from 2nd.> > > > > > 2nd from 2nd (Taurus) is Gemini, a dual sign and also a sign of > > > copulation.. ..so maybe more than one

marriage.> > > > > > Venus from Taurus aspects Mars ruled Scorpio...Scorpio is the hidden > > > 8th house also related to sex....but then i don't know how this fits > > > in with formal 2nd or 3rd marriage. Of course, if such marriages are > > > not in the open and hidden, there would be some connection there.> > > > > > i am afraid this is the best i could do. i have not used the nh2 > > > principle successfully because it is yet to sink in in terms of > > > application.> > > > > > warm regards,> > > vinita> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology , Krishnamurthy > > > Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote:> > > >> > > >

Dear Sreenadh ji,> > > > > > > > Let me try -> > > > > > > > If 2nd lord is in 2nd, he would influence the 8th. 8th being 2nd > > > from 7th influences the longevity of the spouse. Hence, might be > > > logical to say that the native would have more than one wife.> > > > > > > > Secondly, going by the logic of Kaalapursusha chart, it would be > > > Venus in Taurus for Aries lagna. This also means the 7th lord in the > > > second. The 7th lord being a maraka sitting in the house of family > > > is not good.> > > > > > > > But, I can't figure out why NO son.> > > > > > > > All the above is theory. Let me quote a practical case. The > > > chart that I have already shared (that of a lawyer), he has 2nd lord > >

> Mercury in the 2nd houuse Virgo. He has a Son - the only child.> > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > Krishna> > > > > > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:> > > > Dear All,> > > > Sage Parasara and Lomasa tells us that if 2nd lord in 2nd -> > > > * The native may have 2 or 3 wives.> > > > * He will have NO son!! > > > > We all know expect a very good reading speaking out very good > > > results such as "good family, wealth, house, beautiful face, > > > earnings" etc only for such a placement. What prompted these grate > > > sages to make a very strong derivation such as - "He will have no > > > son"?!! The quiz question is -> > > > * What is the logic behind? > > > > And the verification question is - Is that result

derivations > > > true in actual experience? > > > > Note: I hope that after the previous quiz on 2nd house every > > > body would be much interested in applying the learned principles > > > here. ;=)> > > > Love and regards,> > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---> > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with > > > Search.> > > >> > >> >>

 

 

 

 

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