CORRELATING the SIGNIFICANCE

January 2, 2008

Dear Renu ji, You always make me wonder (ya, from the vedic astrology group days onwards) with unique proper questions, extracting the info which otherwise I may not have happened to speak out. This mail is no exception - and that is your uniquesss, which none else in this group posses! Remember that once the same is appreciated by Mohanram ji in vedic astrology group and I always appreciate and love it. Why this much introduction - because your question is not that simple, and it touches many unique corners. Let us see what they are - ==>> Am I to understand the mixing of the significance of both the > planets as follows?> 1. When a malefic aspects another malefic the significance of > malefic results will be multiplied. > 2. Malefic aspects a benefic or vice versa, mixed results will be > the outcome.> 3. Finally, benefic aspects a benefic will enhance the benefic > results pertaining to the planets concerned. <== NO - things are NOT that simple - and the benefic/malefic classification WILL NOT lead us to much in the proper direction; because the same placement, same planet/house can indicate BOTH beneficial and maleficial result at the same time. Thus no planet is benefic/malefic, no house is benefic/malefic in the true sense. The truth is all signs/houses/planets have several significances some of which are beneficial some maleficial - or better even treating some significance as beneficial/maleficial is too our assumption/imagination - the truth being that the sign/house/house point to some 'thing or quolity' which is neither beneficial not maleficial. Thus it becomes clear that SIGNIFICANCE of sign/house/planet is what lies at the bottom of result derivation. In this discussion on "aspects" we are speaking not about significance related to sign/house but about planets alone. But here also things are not that simple. Why? Because there are 3+ ways though which a planet may get significance! What are they? * Every planet is a natural significator of many things. * Every planet signifies things signified by the signs it owns; every planet signifies the things signified by the houses it owns ("Adhipa sarva bhavanam karaka parikeertita") * Exchange of significance happens between planets - if they are strong (stanabala) and in mutual kendra to each other. * special significators of houses - Some special planets gets ascribed the significance related to some houses. For example Sun is the significator of Lagna, Jupitor of 2nd and so on. [but this rule and methodology is NOT much important as it is thought to be - it is just a simple generalization] Thus it turns out that the significance associated with the planet gets at least trippled when it is placed in somewhere in the chart. i.e. initially only natural significance was getting associated with the planet. Now significance related to ownership of specific signs, house and exchange of significance also gets ascribed to the planet; making the significance count atleast 3 times more than the intial number. Why thing long story? I will explain. Think that there are 300o+ or so significance associated with a planet - some of them points to things, some to quolities, some to concepts and so on. Any significance in itself is neither good or bad, neither benefic or malefic - it is the situation/context and the way we associate them with situation that generates the possibility of some of those significance getting 'interpreted' as beneficial and some as maleficial. The truth is there is nothing beneficial or maleficial but only significance present which are neither beneficial nor maleficial but only a list of some things/qualities/concepts etc. If we cannot VISUALISE what the list items are how can we combine or join then in the best possible way using or logic (Ukti - the joining thread) - our thought tool? The basic methedology in prediction is CORRELATING 2 different things USING LOGIC (or better 'Ukti', the joining thread) and presenting the possible outcome in a coherent way (proper for Kala/Desa/Patra) - and then, we tend to interpret it as beneficial or maleficial to the native; actually we don't need to - but only have to do the CORRELATION and speaking it out - and (naturally enough) the native himself will do the job of interpreting it as beneficial or maleficial to himself (and in several instance such interpretation itself will go wrong - in face of future outcomes!). So we as astrologers just have to concentrate on 'CORRELATING SIGNIFICANCE' rather than to interpreting it in positive or negative way (i.e. beneficial/maleficial); we can leave to the native himself to an extend. So when a planet aspects another planet - The mixing of significance takes place or in other words we are 'CORRELATING THE SIGNIFICANCE' of both the planets. (and remember that both those planets 'get' significance in the above said - more than 3 - multiple ways). In simple words 'I don't like the too much simplification/generalization' of your statement and inclusion of non-focused words such as - benefic planet/malefic planet and beneficial result/maleficial result - in your question' :=) The point is forget these generalizations, but instead "visualize the related significance and correlate them" - and then only it can be termed "results". This is what I usually mean when I say "look through the results". ==>> In Ekshate: The combine effect will be felt in the house in which > the aspected planet is placed and also in the house owned by the > aspected planet.<== "The combined effect will be felt in the house in which the aspected plaent is placed" - right. "and also in the house owned by the aspected planet" - not quite so. The statement is only partially true. Of course there is some effect, but that is only secondary. It is ONLY the aspected planet that gets affected, but that in turn can affect the sign/house it owns - which is only a secondary result. ==>> In Nireekshyate:The combine effect will be felt in both the houses > planets are placed and also in the houses owned by the relevant > planets - in Nireekshyate.<== "The combined effect will be felt in the house in both the houses planets are placed" - right. "and also in the houses owned by the relevant planets" - not quite so. Reason explained above. It is only a partially true statement - and only a secondary effect. Love and regards,Sreenadh , "renunw" <renunw wrote:>> Dear Sreenadh ji,> > Thanks you so much for explaining the 'aspects' of aspects. That is > very kind of you.> > "Q: What is the general result of an aspect? > A: Nothing bout the mixing of the significance of both the planets > under consideration. "> > Am I to understand the mixing of the significance of both the > planets as follows?> > 1. When a malefic aspects another malefic the significance of > malefic results will be multiplied. > > 2. Malefic aspects a benefic or vice versa, mixed results will be > the outcome.> > 3. Finally, benefic aspects a benefic will enhance the benefic > results pertaining to the planets concerned. > > In Ekshate: The combine effect will be felt in the house in which > the aspected planet is placed and also in the house owned by the > aspected planet.> > In Nireekshyate:The combine effect will be felt in both the houses > planets are placed and also in the houses owned by the relevant > planets - in Nireekshyate.> > Kindly correct me if I am wrong...thanks.> > blessings> > Renu> > > > > , "Sreenadh" > sreesog@ wrote:> >> > Dear Renu ji,> > The ancient Rishi horas classify the aspects (drishti) into 3> > categories -> > * Direct Aspect to 7th house for all planets (The usual > terminology > > used is 'Nireekshyati' - meaning 'aspect completly/perfectly')> > * Special Aspect (Visesha drishti) of Mars, Jupiter, Saturn > (The> > usual terminology used to mention both direct aspect and special > aspect> > together is 'Eekshyate' - meaning just 'aspect')> > * Partial Aspect (Amsa drishti) of all planets (The usual > terminlogy> > used to mention direct aspect, special aspect and partial aspect> > together is 'Pasyati' meaning 'view/aspect')> > For verious combinations they (the sages) with the use of this> > special terminology of Nirekshyati, Ekshyati and Pasyati -> > directs/guides in determining whether to consider -> > * Direct aspect only> > * Direct aspect and special aspect> > * Direct aspect, Special aspect and partial aspect.> > Thus this classification is truely valid in the case of many > Yogas> > (combinations) - this is the first point to know regarding this. > Thus> > the answer to the question -> > > do different aspects give varied results?> > Yes, but only in the above context. No, if your quetion > is 'how the> > 3H aspect of Saturn and 10H aspect of Satern, or 5H aspect of > Jupiter> > and 9H aspect of differ?'. The point is 'special aspect' is a > single> > category and there is no bifercation there again with in it.> > Now the second question is (if you ask me) -"'Do you mean to > say that> > the sage quotes for all the 3 categories mentiioned above is > available> > seperately?". Then my answer is - NO. What we have > regarding "Drishti> > Phala" (Results for Aspects - i.e. Direct+Special) is together > treated> > as a single section in Rishi Horas.> > Just like the results for 2 planet combinations - we have a > good> > collection of quotes regarding 'results for aspects for planets'.> > Usually when ever we say Aspect (Drishti) it usually include BOTH > Direct> > and Special aspect and exclude Partial aspect. If partial aspect > need to> > be considered anywhere - usually at least in age old Rishi horas > that> > would be specifically indicated by the use of the word 'Pasyati' - > but> > of course remember that the books of later origin violated even > this> > fundamental rule!> > Q: What is the general result of an aspect?> > A: Nothing bout the mixing of the significance of both the planets > under> > consideration.> > Q: What is Drishiti (Aspect)?> > A: Of course NOT the angle between planets as Sripati or Kepler > thought!> > > > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> > > > , "renunw" <renunw@>> > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > >> > > Thanks for claryfing my confusion. No doubts regarding that now.> > >> > > Another matter for which I would like you to explain to > me, ..please.> > >> > > Since Saturn, Jupiter & Mars have more than one aspect, do > different> > > aspects give varied results? For example is the 4th aspect of > Mars> > > is any better/worse than its 7th/8th aspects? Or..is the 10th > aspect> > > of Saturn better/worse than its 3rd/7th aspect...so on and so > forth?> > > Or ..in other words, for instance Saturn's aspect..generally...> > > could be an affliction to the aspected house/lord. What I want to> > > clarfy is whether the magnitude of the affliction varies > according> > > to the kind of affliction.... 3rd, 5th, 7th, 8th, 9th or 10th ?> > >> > > These may be basics...yet I am in the kindergaten of the shcool > of> > > astrology:)> > >> > > blessings> > >> > > Renu> > >> > > , "Sreenadh"> > > sreesog@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Renu ji,> > > > ==>> > > > > Please explain what you mean by 'that house'. Is it the house> > > lagna> > > > > lord is placed or the house aspected by the lagna lord?> > > > <==> > > > Here the problem under consideration is (as put by > Kiran) -> > > > ==>> > > > > ** Lagna lord aspect on any house is good for that house. So > if> > > > > lagna lord aspects the 2nd house, it must make the native> > > wealthy.> > > > <==> > > > Therefore all discussion is about aspect of lagna lord and NOT> > > > placement.> > > > The explanation was - Lagna lord aspecting any house just > tells> > > us that> > > > "The native will> > > > 'experience' that house related results" - because Lagna is > the> > > native> > > > itself.> > > > Thus -> > > > * If lagna lord aspects 2nd house - then for sure the > native> > > will> > > > 'experience' some results (positive or negative) related to 2nd> > > house;> > > > but since 2nd house indicate wealth, the native will experience> > > some> > > > wealth at least even if malefics are preesnt in 2nd - because > even> > > the> > > > most violent malefic presence in 2nd should leave at least > some 2nd> > > > house related results for the natie to 'experience'. Thus > there> > > is> > > > some truth in the statement that 'aspect of lagna lord in any> > > house is> > > > beneficial for the native' -but for sure it is a too much> > > > generalization. Why? Malefics in 2nd house FOR SURE will give> > > there> > > > malefic results - and the native will for sue 'experience' > those> > > bad> > > > results as well! Malefics in 2nd indicates family problems - > and> > > the> > > > native for sure 'experience' that as well! And the question > is -> > > in> > > > short it is good or bad? :=) So only the first statement -> "Lagna> > > lord> > > > aspecting any house just tells us that, the native> > > will 'experience'> > > > that house related results" holds good and NOT always the> > > secondary -> > > > "'aspect of lagna lord in any house is beneficial for the > native",> > > even> > > > though some partial truth is there in it as well.> > > > To clarify your question about 'that house' - if lagna lord> > > aspects> > > > 6th house - the native will 'experience' results resulted to > the> > > 6th> > > > house - for sure; If lagna lord aspects 6th house - the native> > > will> > > > 'experience' results resulted to the 9th house - for sure and > so> > > on.> > > > Beneficial or maleficial only analysis can say - but fore sure > some> > > > beneficial results would be there because - ALL HOUSES holds at> > > least> > > > some benefic results. :=)> > > > Love and regards,> > > > Sreenadh> > > > , "renunw" > <renunw@>> > > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > > > >> > > > > "Lagna lord aspecting any house just tells us that "The > native> > > will> > > > > > 'experience' that house related results" - because the> > > connection> > > > > of any> > > > > > house/planet with lagna indicates that the native> > > > > will 'experience' that> > > > > > house - because Lagna is the native itself."> > > > >> > > > > Please explain what you mean by 'that house'. Is it the house> > > lagna> > > > > lord is placed or the house aspected by the lagna lord? It > would> > > be> > > > > appreciated very much if you could explain with an> > > > > analogy....thanks:)> > > > >> > > > > blessings> > > > >> > > > > Renu> > > >> > > > > , "Sreenadh"> > > > > sreesog@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Kiran ji,> > > > > > The answers follow -> > > > > > * Lagna lord aspecting any house just tells us that "The> > > native> > > > > will> > > > > > 'experience' that house related results" - because the> > > connection> > > > > of any> > > > > > house/planet with lagna indicates that the native> > > > > will 'experience' that> > > > > > house - because Lagna is the native itself. It is just > based> > > on> > > > > this> > > > > > foundation that the secondary rule - "Lagna lord aspect on > any> > > > > house is> > > > > > good for that house" is put forward by some.> > > Since 'experiencing> > > > > the> > > > > > house' can go both ways, this may not be true always, but> > > still the> > > > > > statement holds some water - but still a too much> > > generalization.> > > > > Don't> > > > > > try to build castles on top of such unreliable secondary -> > > that is> > > > > not> > > > > > the way.> > > > > > > ** What if malefic is vargottama?> > > > > > Whether malefic or benefic - vargottama just means > that "The> > > > > > significance of the planet amplify".> > > > > > > ** Will an exalted planet cause harm to the house he is > in> > > if he> > > > > is> > > > > > malefic?> > > > > > Yes. A malefic causing destruction to the house, and > when> > > > > exalted it> > > > > > providing the things related to its significance are two> > > different> > > > > > things - both results apply.> > > > > > > Shadow planets Rahu and Ketu take on the role of the > planets> > > > > they are> > > > > > posited with or the lords of the houses. Suppose Ketu is > with> > > > > Mercury> > > > > > and Saturn is the lord of the house that Ketu is in. Will > Ketu> > > > > take on> > > > > > Mercury's role or will he take on Saturn's role> > > > > > In such a situation the nature of BOTH Mercury's and> > > Saturn's> > > > > > nature are imparted to the relevant shadow planet - there > is no> > > > > > partiality. The relevant shadow planet will give the> > > results> > > > > (good> > > > > > or bad or both) related to mercury, Saturn and its own. > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > , Kiran R> > > > > > <kiran.rama@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Sreenadhji/Sreeramji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I have some doubts on basics that are acting as > roadblock in> > > my> > > > > > progress> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ** Lagna lord aspect on any house is good for that > house. So> > > if> > > > > lagna> > > > > > lord aspects the 2nd house, it must make the native > wealthy.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > DOES THIS HOLD TRUE IF LAGNA LORD IS DEBILITATED OR IN> > > ENEMY'S> > > > > HOUSE?> > > > > > > In case of lagna lord being debilitated or in enemy house> > > does> > > > > it mean> > > > > > that lagna lord will still bestow wealth on 2nd house by > way of> > > > > aspect> > > > > > but the amount will be less?> > > > > > > Or does it mean that lagna lord by virtue of> > > debilitation/being> > > > > > posited in enemy house will cause loss of wealth to native?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ** Suppose I want to take a call on the overall physical> > > > > appearance of> > > > > > a native, I have to look at Lagna. What if lagna lord is in> > > > > dustana,> > > > > > malefic is in lagna and benefic planet aspects lagna?> > > > > > > IN THIS CASE SHOULD WE PREDICT MIXED RESULTS FOR > APPEARANCE> > > OF> > > > > NATIVE?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ** What if malefic is vargottama?> > > > > > > Suppose malefic Saturn is vargottamma, meaning it is like> > > Saturn> > > > > is in> > > > > > his own house.> > > > > > > Does it indicate aspect by Saturn is no longer malefic > and is> > > > > benefic?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ** Will an exalted planet cause harm to the house he is > in> > > if he> > > > > is> > > > > > malefic?> > > > > > > Suppose malefic Mars is in the 7th house. He must cause> > > celibacy> > > > > being> > > > > > a brahmachari or loss of wife or loss of marriage. What if> > > Mars is> > > > > > exalted in the 7th house? Will he give negative results for> > > the 7th> > > > > > house or will he give positive results for the 7th house> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ** Shadow planets question> > > > > > > Shadow planets Rahu and Ketu take on the role of the > planets> > > > > they are> > > > > > posited with or the lords of the houses. Suppose Ketu is > with> > > > > Mercury> > > > > > and Saturn is the lord of the house that Ketu is in. Will > Ketu> > > > > take on> > > > > > Mercury's role or will he take on Saturn's role> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Thanks> > > > > > > Kiran> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get the freedom to save as many mails as you wish. Click> > > here> > > > > to know> > > > > > how.> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

January 3, 2008

Dear Sreenadh ji,

That was a unique lesson on 'correlating the significance of planets' by a unique person who, undoubtedly, is gifted with the art of winning the adoration of much older women! Any mother would be proud to call you his son since I am sure you know how to get into the good books of a mom:) ......I am sure Vinita ji would agree with me.

Let me thank you for explaining the true philosophy behind the planets in detail.

"The truth is all signs/houses/planets have several significances some of which are beneficial some maleficial - or better even treating some significance as beneficial/maleficial is too our assumption/imagination - the truth being that the sign/house/house point to some 'thing or quolity' which is neither beneficial not maleficial. "

I do like this classification since this is what life is in reality too. It is 100% logical and explains why sometimes so called benefic planets would bring malefic results and vice versa. Just tell me then why planets are basically classified as natural benefics [Ju, Ve , Me in benefic association & shukla paksha Moon] and natural malefics [sa, Ma., Ra, Ke, Me in malefic association & krishna paksha Moon] ? Instead planets could have been simply planets and not natural benefics/malfics.

"and also in the house owned by the aspected planet" - not quite so. The statement is only partially true. Of course there is some effect, but that is only secondary. It is ONLY the aspected planet that gets affected, but that in turn can affect the sign/house it owns - which is only a secondary result. "

OK. It is ONLY the aspected planet that gets affected. But...you mentioned that

" there are 3+ ways though which a planet may get significance! What are they? * Every planet is a natural significator of many things. * Every planet signifies things signified by the signs it owns; every planet signifies the things signified by the houses it owns ("Adhipa sarva bhavanam karaka parikeertita") * Exchange of significance happens between planets - if they are strong (stanabala) and in mutual kendra to each other. * special significators of houses - Some special planets gets ascribed the significance related to some houses. "

Hence shouldn't all these 3+ ways significant to a planet get affected? Of course you say,

" but that in turn can affect the sign/house it owns - which is only a secondary result." - why secondary result?

Once again thanks so much for clarying many sensitive points related to aspects....methodically.

blessings

Renu

, "Sreenadh" <sreesog wrote:>> > Dear Renu ji,> You always make me wonder (ya, from the vedic astrology group days> onwards) with unique proper questions, extracting the info which> otherwise I may not have happened to speak out. This mail is no> exception - and that is your uniquesss, which none else in this group> posses! Remember that once the same is appreciated by Mohanram ji in> vedic astrology group and I always appreciate and love it. > Why this much introduction - because your question is not that> simple, and it touches many unique corners. Let us see what they are> -> ==>> > Am I to understand the mixing of the significance of both the> > planets as follows?> > 1. When a malefic aspects another malefic the significance of> > malefic results will be multiplied.> > 2. Malefic aspects a benefic or vice versa, mixed results will be> > the outcome.> > 3. Finally, benefic aspects a benefic will enhance the benefic> > results pertaining to the planets concerned.> <==> NO - things are NOT that simple - and the benefic/malefic> classification WILL NOT lead us to much in the proper direction; because> the same placement, same planet/house can indicate BOTH beneficial and> maleficial result at the same time. Thus no planet is benefic/malefic,> no house is benefic/malefic in the true sense. The truth is all> signs/houses/planets have several significances some of which are> beneficial some maleficial - or better even treating some significance> as beneficial/maleficial is too our assumption/imagination - the truth> being that the sign/house/house point to some 'thing or quolity' which> is neither beneficial not maleficial. Thus it becomes clear that> SIGNIFICANCE of sign/house/planet is what lies at the bottom of result> derivation. In this discussion on "aspects" we are speaking not about> significance related to sign/house but about planets alone. But here> also things are not that simple. Why? Because there are 3+ ways though> which a planet may get significance! What are they?> * Every planet is a natural significator of many things.> * Every planet signifies things signified by the signs it owns; every> planet signifies the things signified by the houses it owns ("Adhipa> sarva bhavanam karaka parikeertita")> * Exchange of significance happens between planets - if they are> strong (stanabala) and in mutual kendra to each other.> * special significators of houses - Some special planets gets ascribed> the significance related to some houses. For example Sun is the> significator of Lagna, Jupitor of 2nd and so on. [but this rule and> methodology is NOT much important as it is thought to be - it is just a> simple generalization]> Thus it turns out that the significance associated with the planet> gets at least trippled when it is placed in somewhere in the chart. i.e.> initially only natural significance was getting associated with the> planet. Now significance related to ownership of specific signs, house> and exchange of significance also gets ascribed to the planet; making> the significance count atleast 3 times more than the intial number.> Why thing long story? I will explain. Think that there are 300o+ or> so significance associated with a planet - some of them points to> things, some to quolities, some to concepts and so on. Any significance> in itself is neither good or bad, neither benefic or malefic - it is the> situation/context and the way we associate them with situation that> generates the possibility of some of those significance getting> 'interpreted' as beneficial and some as maleficial. The truth is there> is nothing beneficial or maleficial but only significance present which> are neither beneficial nor maleficial but only a list of some> things/qualities/concepts etc. If we cannot VISUALISE what the list> items are how can we combine or join then in the best possible way using> or logic (Ukti - the joining thread) - our thought tool? The basic> methedology in prediction is CORRELATING 2 different things USING LOGIC> (or better 'Ukti', the joining thread) and presenting the possible> outcome in a coherent way (proper for Kala/Desa/Patra) - and then, we> tend to interpret it as beneficial or maleficial to the native; > actually we don't need to - but only have to do the CORRELATION and> speaking it out - and (naturally enough) the native himself will do the> job of interpreting it as beneficial or maleficial to himself (and in> several instance such interpretation itself will go wrong - in face of> future outcomes!). So we as astrologers just have to concentrate on> 'CORRELATING SIGNIFICANCE' rather than to interpreting it in positive> or negative way (i.e. beneficial/maleficial); we can leave to the native> himself to an extend.> So when a planet aspects another planet - The mixing of significance> takes place or in other words we are 'CORRELATING THE SIGNIFICANCE' of> both the planets. (and remember that both those planets 'get'> significance in the above said - more than 3 - multiple ways). In> simple words 'I don't like the too much simplification/generalization'> of your statement and inclusion of non-focused words such as - benefic> planet/malefic planet and beneficial result/maleficial result - in your> question' :=) The point is forget these generalizations, but instead> "visualize the related significance and correlate them" - and then only> it can be termed "results". This is what I usually mean when I say> "look through the results". > ==>> > In Ekshate: The combine effect will be felt in the house in which> > the aspected planet is placed and also in the house owned by the> > aspected planet.> <==> "The combined effect will be felt in the house in which the aspected> plaent is placed" - right.> "and also in the house owned by the aspected planet" - not quite so.> The statement is only partially true. Of course there is some effect,> but that is only secondary. It is ONLY the aspected planet that gets> affected, but that in turn can affect the sign/house it owns - which is> only a secondary result.> ==>> > In Nireekshyate:The combine effect will be felt in both the houses> > planets are placed and also in the houses owned by the relevant> > planets - in Nireekshyate.> <==> "The combined effect will be felt in the house in both the houses> planets are placed" - right.> "and also in the houses owned by the relevant planets" - not quite so.> Reason explained above. It is only a partially true statement - and only> a secondary effect.> Love and regards,> Sreenadh> > , "renunw" renunw@> wrote:> >> > Dear Sreenadh ji,> >> > Thanks you so much for explaining the 'aspects' of aspects. That is> > very kind of you.> >> > "Q: What is the general result of an aspect?> > A: Nothing bout the mixing of the significance of both the planets> > under consideration. "> >> > Am I to understand the mixing of the significance of both the> > planets as follows?> >> > 1. When a malefic aspects another malefic the significance of> > malefic results will be multiplied.> >> > 2. Malefic aspects a benefic or vice versa, mixed results will be> > the outcome.> >> > 3. Finally, benefic aspects a benefic will enhance the benefic> > results pertaining to the planets concerned.> >> > In Ekshate: The combine effect will be felt in the house in which> > the aspected planet is placed and also in the house owned by the> > aspected planet.> >> > In Nireekshyate:The combine effect will be felt in both the houses> > planets are placed and also in the houses owned by the relevant> > planets - in Nireekshyate.> >> > Kindly correct me if I am wrong...thanks.> >> > blessings> >> > Renu> >> >> >> >> > , "Sreenadh"> > sreesog@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Renu ji,> > > The ancient Rishi horas classify the aspects (drishti) into 3> > > categories -> > > * Direct Aspect to 7th house for all planets (The usual> > terminology> > > used is 'Nireekshyati' - meaning 'aspect completly/perfectly')> > > * Special Aspect (Visesha drishti) of Mars, Jupiter, Saturn> > (The> > > usual terminology used to mention both direct aspect and special> > aspect> > > together is 'Eekshyate' - meaning just 'aspect')> > > * Partial Aspect (Amsa drishti) of all planets (The usual> > terminlogy> > > used to mention direct aspect, special aspect and partial aspect> > > together is 'Pasyati' meaning 'view/aspect')> > > For verious combinations they (the sages) with the use of this> > > special terminology of Nirekshyati, Ekshyati and Pasyati -> > > directs/guides in determining whether to consider -> > > * Direct aspect only> > > * Direct aspect and special aspect> > > * Direct aspect, Special aspect and partial aspect.> > > Thus this classification is truely valid in the case of many> > Yogas> > > (combinations) - this is the first point to know regarding this.> > Thus> > > the answer to the question -> > > > do different aspects give varied results?> > > Yes, but only in the above context. No, if your quetion> > is 'how the> > > 3H aspect of Saturn and 10H aspect of Satern, or 5H aspect of> > Jupiter> > > and 9H aspect of differ?'. The point is 'special aspect' is a> > single> > > category and there is no bifercation there again with in it.> > > Now the second question is (if you ask me) -"'Do you mean to> > say that> > > the sage quotes for all the 3 categories mentiioned above is> > available> > > seperately?". Then my answer is - NO. What we have> > regarding "Drishti> > > Phala" (Results for Aspects - i.e. Direct+Special) is together> > treated> > > as a single section in Rishi Horas.> > > Just like the results for 2 planet combinations - we have a> > good> > > collection of quotes regarding 'results for aspects for planets'.> > > Usually when ever we say Aspect (Drishti) it usually include BOTH> > Direct> > > and Special aspect and exclude Partial aspect. If partial aspect> > need to> > > be considered anywhere - usually at least in age old Rishi horas> > that> > > would be specifically indicated by the use of the word 'Pasyati' -> > but> > > of course remember that the books of later origin violated even> > this> > > fundamental rule!> > > Q: What is the general result of an aspect?> > > A: Nothing bout the mixing of the significance of both the planets> > under> > > consideration.> > > Q: What is Drishiti (Aspect)?> > > A: Of course NOT the angle between planets as Sripati or Kepler> > thought!> > > > > > Love and regards,> > > Sreenadh> > >> > > , "renunw" <renunw@>> > > wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > > >> > > > Thanks for claryfing my confusion. No doubts regarding that now.> > > >> > > > Another matter for which I would like you to explain to> > me, ..please.> > > >> > > > Since Saturn, Jupiter & Mars have more than one aspect, do> > different> > > > aspects give varied results? For example is the 4th aspect of> > Mars> > > > is any better/worse than its 7th/8th aspects? Or..is the 10th> > aspect> > > > of Saturn better/worse than its 3rd/7th aspect...so on and so> > forth?> > > > Or ..in other words, for instance Saturn's aspect..generally...> > > > could be an affliction to the aspected house/lord. What I want to> > > > clarfy is whether the magnitude of the affliction varies> > according> > > > to the kind of affliction.... 3rd, 5th, 7th, 8th, 9th or 10th ?> > > >> > > > These may be basics...yet I am in the kindergaten of the shcool> > of> > > > astrology:)> > > >> > > > blessings> > > >> > > > Renu> > > >> > > > , "Sreenadh"> > > > sreesog@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Renu ji,> > > > > ==>> > > > > > Please explain what you mean by 'that house'. Is it the house> > > > lagna> > > > > > lord is placed or the house aspected by the lagna lord?> > > > > <==> > > > > Here the problem under consideration is (as put by> > Kiran) -> > > > > ==>> > > > > > ** Lagna lord aspect on any house is good for that house. So> > if> > > > > > lagna lord aspects the 2nd house, it must make the native> > > > wealthy.> > > > > <==> > > > > Therefore all discussion is about aspect of lagna lord and NOT> > > > > placement.> > > > > The explanation was - Lagna lord aspecting any house just> > tells> > > > us that> > > > > "The native will> > > > > 'experience' that house related results" - because Lagna is> > the> > > > native> > > > > itself.> > > > > Thus -> > > > > * If lagna lord aspects 2nd house - then for sure the> > native> > > > will> > > > > 'experience' some results (positive or negative) related to 2nd> > > > house;> > > > > but since 2nd house indicate wealth, the native will experience> > > > some> > > > > wealth at least even if malefics are preesnt in 2nd - because> > even> > > > the> > > > > most violent malefic presence in 2nd should leave at least> > some 2nd> > > > > house related results for the natie to 'experience'. Thus> > there> > > > is> > > > > some truth in the statement that 'aspect of lagna lord in any> > > > house is> > > > > beneficial for the native' -but for sure it is a too much> > > > > generalization. Why? Malefics in 2nd house FOR SURE will give> > > > there> > > > > malefic results - and the native will for sue 'experience'> > those> > > > bad> > > > > results as well! Malefics in 2nd indicates family problems -> > and> > > > the> > > > > native for sure 'experience' that as well! And the question> > is -> > > > in> > > > > short it is good or bad? :=) So only the first statement -> > "Lagna> > > > lord> > > > > aspecting any house just tells us that, the native> > > > will 'experience'> > > > > that house related results" holds good and NOT always the> > > > secondary -> > > > > "'aspect of lagna lord in any house is beneficial for the> > native",> > > > even> > > > > though some partial truth is there in it as well.> > > > > To clarify your question about 'that house' - if lagna lord> > > > aspects> > > > > 6th house - the native will 'experience' results resulted to> > the> > > > 6th> > > > > house - for sure; If lagna lord aspects 6th house - the native> > > > will> > > > > 'experience' results resulted to the 9th house - for sure and> > so> > > > on.> > > > > Beneficial or maleficial only analysis can say - but fore sure> > some> > > > > beneficial results would be there because - ALL HOUSES holds at> > > > least> > > > > some benefic results. :=)> > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > , "renunw"> > <renunw@>> > > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > > > > >> > > > > > "Lagna lord aspecting any house just tells us that "The> > native> > > > will> > > > > > > 'experience' that house related results" - because the> > > > connection> > > > > > of any> > > > > > > house/planet with lagna indicates that the native> > > > > > will 'experience' that> > > > > > > house - because Lagna is the native itself."> > > > > >> > > > > > Please explain what you mean by 'that house'. Is it the house> > > > lagna> > > > > > lord is placed or the house aspected by the lagna lord? It> > would> > > > be> > > > > > appreciated very much if you could explain with an> > > > > > analogy....thanks:)> > > > > >> > > > > > blessings> > > > > >> > > > > > Renu> > > > >> > > > > > , "Sreenadh"> > > > > > sreesog@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Kiran ji,> > > > > > > The answers follow -> > > > > > > * Lagna lord aspecting any house just tells us that "The> > > > native> > > > > > will> > > > > > > 'experience' that house related results" - because the> > > > connection> > > > > > of any> > > > > > > house/planet with lagna indicates that the native> > > > > > will 'experience' that> > > > > > > house - because Lagna is the native itself. It is just> > based> > > > on> > > > > > this> > > > > > > foundation that the secondary rule - "Lagna lord aspect on> > any> > > > > > house is> > > > > > > good for that house" is put forward by some.> > > > Since 'experiencing> > > > > > the> > > > > > > house' can go both ways, this may not be true always, but> > > > still the> > > > > > > statement holds some water - but still a too much> > > > generalization.> > > > > > Don't> > > > > > > try to build castles on top of such unreliable secondary -> > > > that is> > > > > > not> > > > > > > the way.> > > > > > > > ** What if malefic is vargottama?> > > > > > > Whether malefic or benefic - vargottama just means> > that "The> > > > > > > significance of the planet amplify".> > > > > > > > ** Will an exalted planet cause harm to the house he is> > in> > > > if he> > > > > > is> > > > > > > malefic?> > > > > > > Yes. A malefic causing destruction to the house, and> > when> > > > > > exalted it> > > > > > > providing the things related to its significance are two> > > > different> > > > > > > things - both results apply.> > > > > > > > Shadow planets Rahu and Ketu take on the role of the> > planets> > > > > > they are> > > > > > > posited with or the lords of the houses. Suppose Ketu is> > with> > > > > > Mercury> > > > > > > and Saturn is the lord of the house that Ketu is in. Will> > Ketu> > > > > > take on> > > > > > > Mercury's role or will he take on Saturn's role> > > > > > > In such a situation the nature of BOTH Mercury's and> > > > Saturn's> > > > > > > nature are imparted to the relevant shadow planet - there> > is no> > > > > > > partiality. The relevant shadow planet will give the> > > > results> > > > > > (good> > > > > > > or bad or both) related to mercury, Saturn and its own. > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > , Kiran R> > > > > > > <kiran.rama@> wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadhji/Sreeramji,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I have some doubts on basics that are acting as> > roadblock in> > > > my> > > > > > > progress> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ** Lagna lord aspect on any house is good for that> > house. So> > > > if> > > > > > lagna> > > > > > > lord aspects the 2nd house, it must make the native> > wealthy.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > DOES THIS HOLD TRUE IF LAGNA LORD IS DEBILITATED OR IN> > > > ENEMY'S> > > > > > HOUSE?> > > > > > > > In case of lagna lord being debilitated or in enemy house> > > > does> > > > > > it mean> > > > > > > that lagna lord will still bestow wealth on 2nd house by> > way of> > > > > > aspect> > > > > > > but the amount will be less?> > > > > > > > Or does it mean that lagna lord by virtue of> > > > debilitation/being> > > > > > > posited in enemy house will cause loss of wealth to native?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ** Suppose I want to take a call on the overall physical> > > > > > appearance of> > > > > > > a native, I have to look at Lagna. What if lagna lord is in> > > > > > dustana,> > > > > > > malefic is in lagna and benefic planet aspects lagna?> > > > > > > > IN THIS CASE SHOULD WE PREDICT MIXED RESULTS FOR> > APPEARANCE> > > > OF> > > > > > NATIVE?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ** What if malefic is vargottama?> > > > > > > > Suppose malefic Saturn is vargottamma, meaning it is like> > > > Saturn> > > > > > is in> > > > > > > his own house.> > > > > > > > Does it indicate aspect by Saturn is no longer malefic> > and is> > > > > > benefic?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ** Will an exalted planet cause harm to the house he is> > in> > > > if he> > > > > > is> > > > > > > malefic?> > > > > > > > Suppose malefic Mars is in the 7th house. He must cause> > > > celibacy> > > > > > being> > > > > > > a brahmachari or loss of wife or loss of marriage. What if> > > > Mars is> > > > > > > exalted in the 7th house? Will he give negative results for> > > > the 7th> > > > > > > house or will he give positive results for the 7th house> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ** Shadow planets question> > > > > > > > Shadow planets Rahu and Ketu take on the role of the> > planets> > > > > > they are> > > > > > > posited with or the lords of the houses. Suppose Ketu is> > with> > > > > > Mercury> > > > > > > and Saturn is the lord of the house that Ketu is in. Will> > Ketu> > > > > > take on> > > > > > > Mercury's role or will he take on Saturn's role> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Thanks> > > > > > > > Kiran> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get the freedom to save as many mails as you wish. Click> > > > here> > > > > > to know> > > > > > > how.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

January 3, 2008

Dear Renu ji, First thanks a lot for the affection shared... Hugs.... ==>Just tell me then why planets are basically classified as natural benefics [Ju, Ve , Me in benefic association & shukla paksha Moon] and natural malefics [sa, Ma., Ra, Ke, Me in malefic association & krishna paksha Moon] ? Instead planets could have been simply planets and not natural benefics/malfics.<=== Only because that helps much in explaining things with minimum number of words and making generalizations. If one has to list the planets everywhere it is a too difficult task and the writers needed some short cut and that is why such nomenclature appeared. ==>> why secondary result?<== Because the planet is aspecting the significance of the aspected planet only. But when the aspected planet gets (negatively or positively) affected - the same affects the sign/house it owns as well to an extend; because anything that affects the owner of a house affects the house because the owner of a house is like the soil of the house from which the planets (ya, plants) situated there need to draw energy. A dry land ensures that even the most fertile plants (planets) with water etc (beneficial aspects etc) will not grow effectively there. A fertile land ensures that even the weak plants (planets) will survive there. But all this is secondary because - the aspecting planet affects only the planet it aspects, and NOT the house it owns. Thus what ever negative or positive that happens to the house, (due to strength or weakness of its owner, fertility or dryness of its own soil) is only a secondary result - like one thing preparing the environment for something else - but NOT a direct influence. I get support and monetary support from my superior, which in turn benefits my family and children for whom i am the soil to extract water and energy to grow. But my superior who curtails my salary or raises my salary does not have any intention of supporting or degrading my family; most possibly he may not even know them and least bothered about them. The interaction is with me and my superior - limited. In the same way the case of aspecting and aspected planet the interaction is between them as influencing the significance of each other - and has less to do directly with the house they owns. And that is why it is said that such results are only secondary - NOT a candidate for prime consideration. Love and regards,Sreenadh , "renunw" <renunw wrote:

Re: CORRELATING the SIGNIFICANCE

Dear Sreenadh ji,

That was a unique lesson on 'correlating the significance of planets' by a unique person who, undoubtedly, is gifted with the art of winning the adoration of much older women! Any mother would be proud to call you his son since I am sure you know how to get into the good books of a mom:) ......I am sure Vinita ji would agree with me - this is the major reason I could see.