China and Zodiac - Stopping the Wheel or Stilling the Time

January 2, 2008

yes shreenadh, i enjoyed it so much. u will also read in the book

that the number of bricks in the havana kunda were 72 or 108 (i

don't remember) implying a direct link between vedic havan

rituals / " sacrifices " and the " cosmos " .

remember u also said once that there could be at least 2 dimensions

of time....one a flow and the other a stand-still.

if time is a flow it doesn't exist in stand-still.

from a stand-still u can perhaps see the flow but from a flow can u

see the standstill...unless, perhaps, u equal or transcend speed of

light....???...but for that the flow will have to accelerate till it

becomes standstill???

a lot of importance is given to Kaala in some of the

Upanishads...even yoga vashista...as u know!

though u are very partial towards me in calling all the nonsense i

write as " beautiful " i am waiting for u to finish reading

Fingerprints and tell us more abt it........and also abt. the

opening shloka of Brihada Aranyaka.

i leave u with a quote from the autobiography of Osho where he talks

of his grandfather being taken on a bullock cart to the nearest town

with a hospital. Osho was hardly 6-7 yrs old at that time ...it was

his first encounter with death of someone he loved deeply. he also

got the first glimpse of the real meaning of stopping the Chakra,

stilling of Time...

" Tvadiyam vastu Govinda, tubhyam eva samarpayet: " My Lord, this life

you have given to me, I surrender it back to you with my thanks. "

Those were the dying words of my grandfather, although he never

believed in God and was not a Hindu. This sentence, this sutra, is a

Hindu sutra—but in India things are mixed up, particularly good

things. Before he died, among other things, he said one thing again

and again: " Stop the wheel. "

I could not understand it at the time. If we stopped the wheel of

the cart, and that was the only wheel there was, then how could we

reach the hospital? When he repeated again and again, " Stop the

wheel, the chakra, " I asked my grandmother, " Has he gone mad? "

She laughed.

That was the thing I liked in that woman. Even though she knew, as I

did, that death was so close…if even I knew, how could it be

possible that she did not know? It was so apparent that just at any

moment he would stop breathing, yet he was insisting on stopping the

wheel. Still she laughed. I can see her laughing now.

Now I know why she laughed. He was talking about the Indian

obsession with life and death, symbolically called the wheel of life

and death—and in short, the wheel—which goes on and on….

The whole of the Mahabharata is nothing but the Indian obsession

written at length, voluminously, saying that man is born again and

again and again, eternally.

That's why my grandfather was saying, " Stop the wheel. " If I could

have stopped the wheel I would have stopped it, not only for him but

for everybody else in the world. Not only would I have stopped it, I

would have destroyed it forever so that nobody could ever turn it

again. But it is not in my hands " .

love,

vinita

, " Sreenadh "

<sreesog wrote:

>

> Dear Vinita ji,

> Thanks for the beutiful mail - but it beauty of your mails is

now

> usual u know because all your mails are unusual and truly

beautiful .

> :=) Always thought provokking imageries as the one below -

> > why not the vibgyor with violet and red at two ends of the

> > spectrum is what we get when we break up the light which entered

in

> > our body (the ascendant) when we were born.

> I simply love the way you puts it!!

> ..to show us the way to the stand-still???

> Stand-still..stand-still.... Are you reading the Hamlet's

mill?!!! Or

> is it a feeling that I am getting because I am now reading

the 'Finger

> prints of god'?

> Here is a beutiful extract from 'Finger prints of god' - ya,

with

> interpretation

> ============================

> China and Zodiac

> ---------------------

> Of all the sacret societies the most mysterious and archaic by

far is

> undoubtadly the Hung League, which scholers believe to be 'the

desprty'

> of the old religion of the chinese. In one Hung intiation ritual

the

> neophyte is put through a question and answer session that goes -

> Q. What did you see on your walk?

> A. I saw two pots with red bomboo

> Q. Do you know how many plants there were?

> A. In one pot were 36 and in the other 72 plants, together 108.

> Q . Did you take home some of them for your use?

> A. Yes, I took home 108 plants.....

> Q. How can you prove that?

> A. I can prove it by a verse

> Q. How does this verse run?

> A. A red bamboo from Canton is ran in the world.

> In the groves are 36 and 72

> Who in the world knows the meaning of this?

> When we have set to work we will know the secret

> - From 'Finger Prints of God' by Graham

> Hancock P. 280

> ============================

> Points to understand -

> * We are walting on the frame of time - the zodiac.

> * The 2 pots with Red Bamboo are - The area from Moola to

Aswini &

> from Aswini to Moola (i.e. from Sagatterious to Pisces and from

Pisces

> to Scorpio)

> * 36 is the count of Navamsas from Moola end (Scoripio end)

to

> Aswini beginning (Aries beginning).

> * 72 is the count of Navamsas from Aswini beginning (Aries

> beginning) to Moola end (Scorpio end).

> * Total gives 108 Navamsas of the zodiac.

> * For such a division as 36:72 to exist from unknown ancient

period

> these two points (Scoripio-Sagatterious Junction & Pisces-Aries

> Junction) should have some special astronomical importance. Yes -

they

> actually do! It is at the Jn point of Sag-Scorpio Jn that Moola the

> fiducial star based on which the zodiac division happend is

present; At

> the beginning of every Mahayuga the autmnal equinox would be

present

> here in the Moola star; It is the gate of Hell (balack hole) - the

> center of our galexy, the milky way. It is at the Pisces-Aries Jn

that

> all the planets conjunct at the beginning of every Mahayuga. Note

that

> except in the Surya sidhanta based Ayanamsa and Nirayana zodiac

proposed

> by Chandrahari - for no other Ayanamsa values this does not comes

into

> play. This quote is a good proof for the facts - the zodiac was

divided

> based on 108 navamsas; the Sc-Sg and Pi-Ar junction points have

some

> special astronomical importance; the related half circles (pots)

are

> important. The ancient quote proves the validity of Mooladhara

Ayanamsa

> proposed by Chandra Hari.

> * Who can know the secret? When we have set to work we will

know the

> secret. Only those who set to work will know the secret and Hari

did!

> Dear vinita ji, hope you will enjoy this.

> Love and regards,

> Sreenadh

>

> , " vinita kumar "

> <shankar_mamta@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Shreenadh,

> >

> > tamsik, rajasic, sattvik...yamuna, ganga, sarasvati...black, red,

> > white...or why not the vibgyor with violet and red at two ends

of the

> > spectrum is what we get when we break up the light which entered

in

> > our body (the ascendant) when we were born.

> >

> > in this physical existence where time is a flow and not a stand-

> > still, the faster we move the closer we are to the stand-still?

> >

> > there must be elements within us that stand in the way of the

> > flow...but, as u say, life lived with love and full involvement,

> > (work...not in the narrow sense of what we do in office or at

home

> > but in the broader sense of the sum total of all activities we

> > perform, both physical and mental, is the measure of the degree

of

> > our involvement, isn't it?), must hasten the flow...to show us

the

> > way to the stand-still???

> >

> > success and failure are relative...or maybe just a state of

mind...

> >

> > how can we comprehend standstill thru astrology when astrolgy

itself

> > is a study of flow/motion/time!

> >

> > But even in astrology there is always a reference to a

> > standstill....the nakshatras?...but since nakshatras too change

> > relative to the earth thru the ages...there has gotta be

something

> > else...beyond the nakshatras, beyond the saptarishis, beyond

> > dhruva...in term of relative motions...and a final stand still???

> >

> > love,

> > vinita

> >

January 3, 2008

Dear Deedi, That again was beautiful!!! In awe let us remember....the words.... "Sahasra seersha purusha, sahasaraksha sahasra pat Sa bhumim viswato vritwa atyadhishtat dasangulam"

Note 1: Shasra = Circle; I wonder whether the end words "atyadhishtat dasangulam" is erronious text and the actual reading "atyadhi(a)shtadasangulam" meaning, the "these circles are at a distance of 108 units from center of earth (measured using the diameter of earth as 1 unit)" - yes, that will give us the distance from earth to sun. While speaking about the 5 great circles - Seersha vritta, Aksha vritta, Pata vritta, Bhumi vritta, Viswa vritta - mentioning some thing at a distance of 10 angulas (a very small unit) away from the center does not make sense. It must be refering to 108 units that too keeping the diameter of earth as a single unit. Note 2: Also "Tvadiyam vastu Govinda, tubhyam eva samarpayet" (My Lord, this life you have given to me, I surrender it back to you with my thanks). It should be our daily prayer, moment to moment - who knows when the moment comes! Osho is loving and lively as always. My hugs to him - the living buddha. He lives in me you and in all and everything. Love,Sreenadh , "vinita kumar" <shankar_mamta wrote:>> yes shreenadh, i enjoyed it so much. u will also read in the book > that the number of bricks in the havana kunda were 72 or 108 (i > don't remember) implying a direct link between vedic havan > rituals / "sacrifices" and the "cosmos".> > remember u also said once that there could be at least 2 dimensions > of time....one a flow and the other a stand-still.> > if time is a flow it doesn't exist in stand-still. > > from a stand-still u can perhaps see the flow but from a flow can u > see the standstill...unless, perhaps, u equal or transcend speed of > light....???...but for that the flow will have to accelerate till it > becomes standstill???> > a lot of importance is given to Kaala in some of the > Upanishads...even yoga vashista...as u know! > > > though u are very partial towards me in calling all the nonsense i > write as "beautiful" i am waiting for u to finish reading > Fingerprints and tell us more abt it........and also abt. the > opening shloka of Brihada Aranyaka.> > i leave u with a quote from the autobiography of Osho where he talks > of his grandfather being taken on a bullock cart to the nearest town > with a hospital. Osho was hardly 6-7 yrs old at that time ...it was > his first encounter with death of someone he loved deeply. he also > got the first glimpse of the real meaning of stopping the Chakra, > stilling of Time...> > "Tvadiyam vastu Govinda, tubhyam eva samarpayet: "My Lord, this life > you have given to me, I surrender it back to you with my thanks." > Those were the dying words of my grandfather, although he never > believed in God and was not a Hindu. This sentence, this sutra, is a > Hindu sutra?but in India things are mixed up, particularly good > things. Before he died, among other things, he said one thing again > and again: "Stop the wheel."> I could not understand it at the time. If we stopped the wheel of > the cart, and that was the only wheel there was, then how could we > reach the hospital? When he repeated again and again, "Stop the > wheel, the chakra," I asked my grandmother, "Has he gone mad?"> She laughed.> That was the thing I liked in that woman. Even though she knew, as I > did, that death was so close?if even I knew, how could it be > possible that she did not know? It was so apparent that just at any > moment he would stop breathing, yet he was insisting on stopping the > wheel. Still she laughed. I can see her laughing now.> > Now I know why she laughed. He was talking about the Indian > obsession with life and death, symbolically called the wheel of life > and death?and in short, the wheel?which goes on and on?.> The whole of the Mahabharata is nothing but the Indian obsession > written at length, voluminously, saying that man is born again and > again and again, eternally.> That's why my grandfather was saying, "Stop the wheel." If I could > have stopped the wheel I would have stopped it, not only for him but > for everybody else in the world. Not only would I have stopped it, I > would have destroyed it forever so that nobody could ever turn it > again. But it is not in my hands".> > love,> vinita> > > , "Sreenadh" > sreesog@ wrote:> >> > Dear Vinita ji,> > Thanks for the beutiful mail - but it beauty of your mails is > now > > usual u know because all your mails are unusual and truly > beautiful .> > :=) Always thought provokking imageries as the one below -> > > why not the vibgyor with violet and red at two ends of the> > > spectrum is what we get when we break up the light which entered > in> > > our body (the ascendant) when we were born.> > I simply love the way you puts it!!> > ..to show us the way to the stand-still???> > Stand-still..stand-still.... Are you reading the Hamlet's > mill?!!! Or> > is it a feeling that I am getting because I am now reading > the 'Finger> > prints of god'? > > Here is a beutiful extract from 'Finger prints of god' - ya, > with> > interpretation > > ============================> > China and Zodiac> > ---------------------> > Of all the sacret societies the most mysterious and archaic by > far is> > undoubtadly the Hung League, which scholers believe to be 'the > desprty'> > of the old religion of the chinese. In one Hung intiation ritual > the> > neophyte is put through a question and answer session that goes -> > Q. What did you see on your walk?> > A. I saw two pots with red bomboo> > Q. Do you know how many plants there were?> > A. In one pot were 36 and in the other 72 plants, together 108.> > Q . Did you take home some of them for your use?> > A. Yes, I took home 108 plants.....> > Q. How can you prove that?> > A. I can prove it by a verse> > Q. How does this verse run?> > A. A red bamboo from Canton is ran in the world.> > In the groves are 36 and 72> > Who in the world knows the meaning of this?> > When we have set to work we will know the secret> > - From 'Finger Prints of God' by Graham> > Hancock P. 280> > ============================> > Points to understand -> > * We are walting on the frame of time - the zodiac.> > * The 2 pots with Red Bamboo are - The area from Moola to > Aswini & > > from Aswini to Moola (i.e. from Sagatterious to Pisces and from > Pisces> > to Scorpio)> > * 36 is the count of Navamsas from Moola end (Scoripio end) > to> > Aswini beginning (Aries beginning).> > * 72 is the count of Navamsas from Aswini beginning (Aries> > beginning) to Moola end (Scorpio end).> > * Total gives 108 Navamsas of the zodiac.> > * For such a division as 36:72 to exist from unknown ancient > period> > these two points (Scoripio-Sagatterious Junction & Pisces-Aries> > Junction) should have some special astronomical importance. Yes - > they> > actually do! It is at the Jn point of Sag-Scorpio Jn that Moola the> > fiducial star based on which the zodiac division happend is > present; At> > the beginning of every Mahayuga the autmnal equinox would be > present> > here in the Moola star; It is the gate of Hell (balack hole) - the> > center of our galexy, the milky way. It is at the Pisces-Aries Jn > that> > all the planets conjunct at the beginning of every Mahayuga. Note > that> > except in the Surya sidhanta based Ayanamsa and Nirayana zodiac > proposed> > by Chandrahari - for no other Ayanamsa values this does not comes > into> > play. This quote is a good proof for the facts - the zodiac was > divided> > based on 108 navamsas; the Sc-Sg and Pi-Ar junction points have > some> > special astronomical importance; the related half circles (pots) > are> > important. The ancient quote proves the validity of Mooladhara > Ayanamsa> > proposed by Chandra Hari.> > * Who can know the secret? When we have set to work we will > know the> > secret. Only those who set to work will know the secret and Hari > did!> > Dear vinita ji, hope you will enjoy this. > > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> > > > , "vinita kumar"> > <shankar_mamta@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Shreenadh,> > >> > > tamsik, rajasic, sattvik...yamuna, ganga, sarasvati...black, red,> > > white...or why not the vibgyor with violet and red at two ends > of the> > > spectrum is what we get when we break up the light which entered > in> > > our body (the ascendant) when we were born.> > >> > > in this physical existence where time is a flow and not a stand-> > > still, the faster we move the closer we are to the stand-still?> > >> > > there must be elements within us that stand in the way of the> > > flow...but, as u say, life lived with love and full involvement,> > > (work...not in the narrow sense of what we do in office or at > home> > > but in the broader sense of the sum total of all activities we> > > perform, both physical and mental, is the measure of the degree > of> > > our involvement, isn't it?), must hasten the flow...to show us > the> > > way to the stand-still???> > >> > > success and failure are relative...or maybe just a state of > mind...> > >> > > how can we comprehend standstill thru astrology when astrolgy > itself> > > is a study of flow/motion/time!> > >> > > But even in astrology there is always a reference to a> > > standstill....the nakshatras?...but since nakshatras too change> > > relative to the earth thru the ages...there has gotta be > something> > > else...beyond the nakshatras, beyond the saptarishis, beyond> > > dhruva...in term of relative motions...and a final stand still???> > >> > > love,> > > vinita> > >>

January 3, 2008

Dear Mehta ji, Thanks for the nice words - for sure I will try to read both Siva Sutras and Oshos words on the same. "Mata cha parvati devi Pita devo maheswara Bandhava siva bhakta cha swadeso bhuvana trayam" } - my affectionate parents and relatives. "Kailasadreesa kone sura vitapi tade sphadike mandape San matagarati peedopari parilasitam sevyamanam suroukhe......." - The prayer of ever astrologer (from Prasnamarga) "Moortitve parikalipita sasabhirito varma(a)punarjanmanam....." - Brihat Jataka of Mihra (A prayer to Sun; the worldly manifestation of god siva; Sun the significator of Mahakala the time personified; his counterpart Moon the significator of Sakti - again the time personified? Sun and Moon are the base of most of the calendars from ancient past onwards till date) " SivaH saktya yukto......." - Soundrya Lahri by Pravarasena.Love and regards,Sreenadh<mehta ji wrote....>Re: China and Zodiac - Stopping the Wheel or Stilling the Time

Osho has extensively explained for the worldly being the essence of so many religions. Just read his take on Shiva Stutra recently. He has unrevealed the meaning in the precise couplets which Lord Shiva has uttered for those seeking emancipation. Considering that Lord Shiva is the "end all" of all types of GYAN, sort of a Geek, it is very difficult to read and understand all that is in those disstilled couplets. Osho romantisizes, speaks in a flowery language, at the same time shakes us up rudely from our deep sleep to wake us. Engrossing, intoxicating at the same time liberating you from all dogma.

Incidently your takes on time ( Vinitaji's and Sreenadji's) has been dealt by Lord Shiva himself. I do recomend reading it.

--- On Thu, 3/1/08, Sreenadh <sreesog wrote:

Sreenadh <sreesog Re: China and Zodiac - Stopping the Wheel or Stilling the Time Date: Thursday, 3 January, 2008, 12:37 PM

Dear Deedi, That again was beautiful!!!

In awe let us remember.... the words.... "Sahasra seersha purusha, sahasaraksha sahasra pat Sa bhumim viswato vritwa atyadhishtat dasangulam"

Note 1: Shasra = Circle; I wonder whether the end words "atyadhishtat dasangulam" is erronious text and the actual reading "atyadhi(a)shtadasa ngulam" meaning, the "these circles are at a distance of 108 units from center of earth (measured using the diameter of earth as 1 unit)" - yes, that will give us the distance from earth to sun. While speaking about the 5 great circles - Seersha vritta, Aksha vritta, Pata vritta, Bhumi vritta, Viswa vritta - mentioning some thing at a distance of 10 angulas (a very small unit) away from the center does not make sense. It must be refering to 108 units that too keeping the diameter of earth as a single unit. Note 2: Also "Tvadiyam vastu Govinda, tubhyam eva samarpayet" (My Lord, this life you have given to me, I surrender it back to you with my thanks). It should be our daily prayer, moment to moment - who knows when the moment comes! Osho is loving and lively as always. My hugs to him - the living buddha. He lives in me you and in all and everything. Love,Sreenadh

ancient_indian_ astrology, "vinita kumar" <shankar_mamta@ ...> wrote:>> yes shreenadh, i enjoyed it so much. u will also read in the book > that the number of bricks in the havana kunda were 72 or 108 (i > don't remember) implying a direct link between vedic havan > rituals / "sacrifices" and the "cosmos".> > remember u also said once that there could be at least 2 dimensions > of time....one a flow and the other a stand-still.> > if time is a flow it doesn't exist in stand-still. > > from a stand-still u can perhaps see the flow but from a flow can u > see the standstill.. .unless, perhaps, u equal or transcend speed of > light....??? ...but for that the flow will have to accelerate till it > becomes standstill?? ?> > a lot of importance is given to Kaala in some of the > Upanishads.. .even yoga vashista...as u know! > > > though u are very partial towards me in calling all the nonsense i > write as "beautiful" i am waiting for u to finish reading > Fingerprints and tell us more abt it........and also abt. the > opening shloka of Brihada Aranyaka.> > i leave u with a quote from the autobiography of Osho where he talks > of his grandfather being taken on a bullock cart to the nearest town > with a hospital. Osho was hardly 6-7 yrs old at that time ...it was > his first encounter with death of someone he loved deeply. he also > got the first glimpse of the real meaning of stopping the Chakra, > stilling of Time...> > "Tvadiyam vastu Govinda, tubhyam eva samarpayet: "My Lord, this life > you have given to me, I surrender it back to you with my thanks.." > Those were the dying words of my grandfather, although he never > believed in God and was not a Hindu. This sentence, this sutra, is a > Hindu sutra?but in India things are mixed up, particularly good > things. Before he died, among other things, he said one thing again > and again: "Stop the wheel."> I could not understand it at the time. If we stopped the wheel of > the cart, and that was the only wheel there was, then how could we > reach the hospital? When he repeated again and again, "Stop the > wheel, the chakra," I asked my grandmother, "Has he gone mad?"> She laughed.> That was the thing I liked in that woman. Even though she knew, as I > did, that death was so close?if even I knew, how could it be > possible that she did not know? It was so apparent that just at any > moment he would stop breathing, yet he was insisting on stopping the > wheel. Still she laughed. I can see her laughing now.> > Now I know why she laughed. He was talking about the Indian > obsession with life and death, symbolically called the wheel of life > and death?and in short, the wheel?which goes on and on?.> The whole of the Mahabharata is nothing but the Indian obsession > written at length, voluminously, saying that man is born again and > again and again, eternally.> That's why my grandfather was saying, "Stop the wheel." If I could > have stopped the wheel I would have stopped it, not only for him but > for everybody else in the world. Not only would I have stopped it, I > would have destroyed it forever so that nobody could ever turn it > again. But it is not in my hands".> > love,> vinita> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Sreenadh" > sreesog@ wrote:> >> > Dear Vinita ji,> > Thanks for the beutiful mail - but it beauty of your mails is > now > > usual u know because all your mails are unusual and truly > beautiful .> > :=) Always thought provokking imageries as the one below -> > > why not the vibgyor with violet and red at two ends of the> > > spectrum is what we get when we break up the light which entered > in> > > our body (the ascendant) when we were born.> > I simply love the way you puts it!!> > ..to show us the way to the stand-still? ??> > Stand-still. .stand-still. .... Are you reading the Hamlet's > mill?!!! Or> > is it a feeling that I am getting because I am now reading > the 'Finger> > prints of god'? > > Here is a beutiful extract from 'Finger prints of god' - ya, > with> > interpretation > > ============ ========= =======> > China and Zodiac> > ------------ ---------> > Of all the sacret societies the most mysterious and archaic by > far is> > undoubtadly the Hung League, which scholers believe to be 'the > desprty'> > of the old religion of the chinese. In one Hung intiation ritual > the> > neophyte is put through a question and answer session that goes -> > Q. What did you see on your walk?> > A. I saw two pots with red bomboo> > Q. Do you know how many plants there were?> > A. In one pot were 36 and in the other 72 plants, together 108.> > Q . Did you take home some of them for your use?> > A. Yes, I took home 108 plants.....> > Q. How can you prove that?> > A. I can prove it by a verse> > Q. How does this verse run?> > A. A red bamboo from Canton is ran in the world.> > In the groves are 36 and 72> > Who in the world knows the meaning of this?> > When we have set to work we will know the secret> > - From 'Finger Prints of God' by Graham> > Hancock P. 280> > ============ ========= =======> > Points to understand -> > * We are walting on the frame of time - the zodiac.> > * The 2 pots with Red Bamboo are - The area from Moola to > Aswini & > > from Aswini to Moola (i.e. from Sagatterious to Pisces and from > Pisces> > to Scorpio)> > * 36 is the count of Navamsas from Moola end (Scoripio end) > to> > Aswini beginning (Aries beginning).> > * 72 is the count of Navamsas from Aswini beginning (Aries> > beginning) to Moola end (Scorpio end).> > * Total gives 108 Navamsas of the zodiac.> > * For such a division as 36:72 to exist from unknown ancient > period> > these two points (Scoripio-Sagatteri ous Junction & Pisces-Aries> > Junction) should have some special astronomical importance. Yes - > they> > actually do! It is at the Jn point of Sag-Scorpio Jn that Moola the> > fiducial star based on which the zodiac division happend is > present; At> > the beginning of every Mahayuga the autmnal equinox would be > present> > here in the Moola star; It is the gate of Hell (balack hole) - the> > center of our galexy, the milky way. It is at the Pisces-Aries Jn > that> > all the planets conjunct at the beginning of every Mahayuga. Note > that> > except in the Surya sidhanta based Ayanamsa and Nirayana zodiac > proposed> > by Chandrahari - for no other Ayanamsa values this does not comes > into> > play. This quote is a good proof for the facts - the zodiac was > divided> > based on 108 navamsas; the Sc-Sg and Pi-Ar junction points have > some> > special astronomical importance; the related half circles (pots) > are> > important. The ancient quote proves the validity of Mooladhara > Ayanamsa> > proposed by Chandra Hari.> > * Who can know the secret? When we have set to work we will > know the> > secret. Only those who set to work will know the secret and Hari > did!> > Dear vinita ji, hope you will enjoy this. > > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "vinita kumar"> > <shankar_mamta@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Shreenadh,> > >> > > tamsik, rajasic, sattvik...yamuna, ganga, sarasvati... black, red,> > > white...or why not the vibgyor with violet and red at two ends > of the> > > spectrum is what we get when we break up the light which entered > in> > > our body (the ascendant) when we were born.> > >> > > in this physical existence where time is a flow and not a stand-> > > still, the faster we move the closer we are to the stand-still?> > >> > > there must be elements within us that stand in the way of the> > > flow...but, as u say, life lived with love and full involvement,> > > (work....not in the narrow sense of what we do in office or at > home> > > but in the broader sense of the sum total of all activities we> > > perform, both physical and mental, is the measure of the degree > of> > > our involvement, isn't it?), must hasten the flow...to show us > the> > > way to the stand-still? ??> > >> > > success and failure are relative...or maybe just a state of > mind...> > >> > > how can we comprehend standstill thru astrology when astrolgy > itself> > > is a study of flow/motion/ time!> > >> > > But even in astrology there is always a reference to a> > > standstill.. ..the nakshatras?. ..but since nakshatras too change> > > relative to the earth thru the ages...there has gotta be > something> > > else...beyond the nakshatras, beyond the saptarishis, beyond> > > dhruva...in term of relative motions...and a final stand still???> > >> > > love,> > > vinita> > >