Marriying younger or older spouce -reserch of krishna

January 1, 2008

Hare ramakrishna,

dear Krishna .

first of let me thank u for ur new year greetings .

And now i will come to the point ,tho u r reserch is valid ,i hav few suggestions .

One is we shud use rasi graha,significator methods and we shud not mix what is known as jaimini with parasari ( tho its not so -but i dont know any other name to specify it ) .As we r concentrating now rishi hora scheme here .And in jaimini still lot of unidentified areas and 2 or 3 line of schools and each is telling their view is correct .And being our life is small and simple we can not work out on each and every claim in scientific way and then accept or reject it .

we shud use only one dasa scheme with what ever rasi and amsa charts applicable .(tho u r using vim dasa here )

here i find u u r mixing methods ,so finaly we will be no where ,tho i am not telling u r wrong .

Another thing is celebrity charts and its validity ,no way we can double check it .

so in a reserch u shud hav some 100 charts with some set of rules and elimination and additions we shud start from there .Tho absence of public participation we cannot collect it ,ourself in short time .

if u want then u can use other dasa schemes or method of arudha like that .

But we shud seperate it with each other and publish each obseravtion seperately .

Now coming to 9 planet 12 rasi scheme ,we hav some set of rules

7thlord ,its strenght and yogas ,its navamsa laord and its strenght and yogas ,also 7th rasi sphutta ( degree ) navamsa and its strenght and yogas .

same way we can see influnce in 7th house also karaka

general marriage karaka venus and for males strree karaka is also venus

But here i hav a devaitive thinking for husband karaka for ladies ,i think we can take mars here .as in KP ( kala purusha which starts with mesha lagna ) 7th form 7th for ( ladies we hav to take this way ) is martian sign .So i think and i suggest let us take a different spouce karaka (karaka for husband ) for ladies for fine tuning .along with venus as marriage karaka,tho traditionaly some says jup is karaka for husband .Esp in north india .

and now if u see the influnces and tatwas and planets along with other can mute the effects like sani ,rahu ,ketu ( as this may show older ) and planets like moon and merc ( as they r showing may younger ) shud be taken into consideration

otherwise absence of 100s valid verified charts ,our reserch will be a futile exercise .

Its my humble opinion ,even that is the reason i remain silent when u posted the first reserch for first time .

hope u understand my concerns and i expect all memebrs opinions on it .Also other scholarly gurus in this group can correct my thinking .

thanks and regrds

sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote:>> Dear All,> > I wish you all A HAPPY AND PROSPEROUS NEW YEAR!> > I was able to locate the birth details of Rupert Murdoch and Anna Murdoch. To my delight, I could see the same combinations in their charts, that I have presented earlier for people who marry with big age difference. Rupert married Anna who is 13 years younger to him, next he married a Chinese lady who is 38 years younger to him! Anna, after divorcing Rupert married a man who is 27 years older than her!> > I have updated my ariticle in my blog by adding this example. You may go through the same at http://astrokrishna .blogspot. com> > Regards,> Krishna> > > > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.>

January 2, 2008

Dear Sunil, I am very happy to note that you could spare time to go through my work and to give your feedback on the same. Your observations about mixing systems is perfectly valid. I have my own reason for using the UL concept with Vimshottari dasha system. I would like to explian: I would like to point out that I have observed UL/UL lord concept to be resonating well with Vimshottari dasha and events in life. "Difference in age of spouse" is not the only area that I found UL to be useful. I am working on another area where UL/UL lord concept again works very well with the rest of the chart and resonates well with Vishottari dasha system. That is the reason I chose to present what I presented. I need to explore further on couple of more areas in life with respect to UL and vimshottari before I can take a very strong stand on the same. At the same time, I am listening to your words of caution about mixing two systems. I would like to clarify that mixing different systems is neither my goal and nor I am enjoy doing it. I understand that I could easily lose my way if I pursue it blindly. I am taking a cautious approach. And, you are right that the sample size has to be much bigger to confirm a pattern. In whatever I have published so far, the sameple size that I have tried out would be at least double that of the number of examples I quote in my write-ups. Yet, I understand it is not big enough. At the same time, I feel what I am observing is not coincidental. There has to be some truth in what I have been observing. What I have presented may undergo some change with a much bigger sample size. And, at the same time, I believe it can not be brushed away as irrelevant. I will continue to validate my hypothesis with each new case I come across. In fact,

I am doing it on most theories I have published till now. I have not had single new case fail so far for the diabetes combination I have presented. Touch wood... Again, many thanks to your comment and friendly words of caution. Regards, Krishnasunil nair <astro_tellerkerala wrote: Hare ramakrishna, dear Krishna . first of let me thank u for ur new year greetings . And now i will come to the point ,tho u r reserch is valid ,i hav few suggestions . One is we shud use rasi graha,significator methods and we shud not mix what is known as jaimini with parasari ( tho its not so -but i dont know any other name to specify it ) .As we r concentrating now rishi hora scheme here .And in jaimini still lot of unidentified areas and 2 or 3 line of schools and each is telling their view is correct .And being our life is small and simple we can not work out on each and every claim in scientific way and then accept or reject it . we shud use only one dasa scheme with what ever rasi and amsa

charts applicable .(tho u r using vim dasa here ) here i find u u r mixing methods ,so finaly we will be no where ,tho i am not telling u r wrong . Another thing is celebrity charts and its validity ,no way we can double check it . so in a reserch u shud hav some 100 charts with some set of rules and elimination and additions we shud start from there .Tho absence of public participation we cannot collect it ,ourself in short time . if u want then u can use other dasa schemes or method of arudha like that . But we shud seperate it with each other and publish each obseravtion seperately . Now coming to 9 planet 12 rasi scheme ,we hav some set of rules 7thlord ,its strenght and yogas ,its navamsa laord and its strenght and yogas ,also 7th rasi sphutta ( degree ) navamsa and its strenght and yogas . same way we can see influnce in 7th house also karaka general marriage karaka venus and for males strree karaka is also venus But here i hav a devaitive thinking for husband karaka for ladies ,i think we can take mars here .as in KP ( kala purusha which starts with mesha lagna ) 7th form 7th for ( ladies we hav to take this way ) is martian sign .So i think

and i suggest let us take a different spouce karaka (karaka for husband ) for ladies for fine tuning .along with venus as marriage karaka,tho traditionaly some says jup is karaka for husband .Esp in north india . and now if u see the influnces and tatwas and planets along with other can mute the effects like sani ,rahu ,ketu ( as this may show older ) and planets like moon and merc ( as they r showing may younger ) shud be taken into consideration otherwise absence of 100s valid verified charts ,our reserch will be a futile exercise . Its my humble opinion ,even that is the reason i remain silent when u posted the first reserch for first time . hope u understand my concerns and i expect all memebrs opinions on it .Also other scholarly gurus in this group can correct my thinking . thanks and regrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah. , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote:>> Dear All,> > I wish you all A HAPPY AND PROSPEROUS NEW YEAR!> > I was able to locate the birth details of Rupert Murdoch and Anna Murdoch. To my delight, I could see the same combinations in their charts, that I have presented

earlier for people who marry with big age difference. Rupert married Anna who is 13 years younger to him, next he married a Chinese lady who is 38 years younger to him! Anna, after divorcing Rupert married a man who is 27 years older than her!> > I have updated my ariticle in my blog by adding this example. You may go through the same at http://astrokrishna .blogspot. com> > Regards,> Krishna> > > > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.>

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January 2, 2008

Hare rama krishna,

dear mehta ji ,

I dont know sun is marriage karaka ,sun taken as general dharma karaka and yes universal atmakaraka and knowing the fertility calculations degree of sun and placements are calculated .

But u suggestion i will see with this new lite

comments from more learned one s are expected .

why dont u work on some marriage charts of ladies and try to find it as a reserch .

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

January 2, 2008

Hare ramakrishna,

dear krishna ji ,

Myself being an astrologer and being participated in so many grps many students thinking i know this UL methods when they find its not working in their charts they used to conct me and ask me for clearing the doubts .

So i find its some times working and some times not .if u see surya narayana rao ,Ps sastri and Pt sanjay rath and Kn rao each is arguing and trying to eastablish their arudha system is correct .same is the case with late C S patel .So that is the reason why i dropped it .

For example here is a chart 1st may 1970 at 15.03 PM jabal pur ,Madhya pradesh .This boy at the age of 27 or 29 .He find one girl in a dance party and fall in lov with her and married her >marriage happend in arya samaj mandir and it was a secret marriage .Girl was below 17 years and it has given a hell of problems in his life and their rich and influencial family has to

pay lot of money to the girl to hush up the matter .

Here the mute point is UL is not influenced by any planet and UL lord is influenced by all planets we can say .

So what we can take it ,if we dont know the event or prior to the event how we can decipher it

Hope u understand .Being astrologer myself i am not after dry arguements any thing working is adoptable for me.

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah

, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote:>> Dear Sunil,> > I am very happy to note that you could spare time to go through my work and to give your feedback on the same.> > Your observations about mixing systems is perfectly valid. I have my own reason for using the UL concept with Vimshottari dasha system. I would like to explian:> > I would like to point out that I have observed UL/UL lord concept to be resonating well with Vimshottari dasha and events in life. "Difference in age of spouse" is not the only area that I found UL to be useful. I am working on another area where UL/UL lord concept again works very well with the rest of the chart and resonates well with Vishottari dasha system. That is the reason I chose to present what I presented. I need to explore further on couple of more areas in life with respect to UL and vimshottari before I can take a very strong stand on the same. > > At the same time, I am listening to your words of caution about mixing two systems. I would like to clarify that mixing different systems is neither my goal and nor I am enjoy doing it. I understand that I could easily lose my way if I pursue it blindly. I am taking a cautious approach.> > And, you are right that the sample size has to be much bigger to confirm a pattern. In whatever I have published so far, the sameple size that I have tried out would be at least double that of the number of examples I quote in my write-ups. Yet, I understand it is not big enough. At the same time, I feel what I am observing is not coincidental. There has to be some truth in what I have been observing. What I have presented may undergo some change with a much bigger sample size. And, at the same time, I believe it can not be brushed away as irrelevant. I will continue to validate my hypothesis with each new case I come across. In fact, I am doing it on most theories I have published till now. I have not had single new case fail so far for the diabetes combination I have presented. Touch wood...> > Again, many thanks to your comment and friendly words of caution.> > Regards,> Krishna> > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala wrote:> > Hare ramakrishna,> dear Krishna .> > first of let me thank u for ur new year greetings .> > And now i will come to the point ,tho u r reserch is valid ,i hav few suggestions .> > One is we shud use rasi graha,significator methods and we shud not mix what is known as jaimini with parasari ( tho its not so -but i dont know any other name to specify it ) .As we r concentrating now rishi hora scheme here .And in jaimini still lot of unidentified areas and 2 or 3 line of schools and each is telling their view is correct .And being our life is small and simple we can not work out on each and every claim in scientific way and then accept or reject it .> > we shud use only one dasa scheme with what ever rasi and amsa charts applicable .(tho u r using vim dasa here ) > > here i find u u r mixing methods ,so finaly we will be no where ,tho i am not telling u r wrong .> > Another thing is celebrity charts and its validity ,no way we can double check it .> > so in a reserch u shud hav some 100 charts with some set of rules and elimination and additions we shud start from there .Tho absence of public participation we cannot collect it ,ourself in short time .> > if u want then u can use other dasa schemes or method of arudha like that .> But we shud seperate it with each other and publish each obseravtion seperately .> > Now coming to 9 planet 12 rasi scheme ,we hav some set of rules > > 7thlord ,its strenght and yogas ,its navamsa laord and its strenght and yogas ,also 7th rasi sphutta ( degree ) navamsa and its strenght and yogas .> > same way we can see influnce in 7th house also karaka > > general marriage karaka venus and for males strree karaka is also venus > > But here i hav a devaitive thinking for husband karaka for ladies ,i think we can take mars here .as in KP ( kala purusha which starts with mesha lagna ) 7th form 7th for ( ladies we hav to take this way ) is martian sign .So i think and i suggest let us take a different spouce karaka (karaka for husband ) for ladies for fine tuning .along with venus as marriage karaka,tho traditionaly some says jup is karaka for husband .Esp in north india .> > and now if u see the influnces and tatwas and planets along with other can mute the effects like sani ,rahu ,ketu ( as this may show older ) and planets like moon and merc ( as they r showing may younger ) shud be taken into consideration > > otherwise absence of 100s valid verified charts ,our reserch will be a futile exercise .> > Its my humble opinion ,even that is the reason i remain silent when u posted the first reserch for first time .> > hope u understand my concerns and i expect all memebrs opinions on it .Also other scholarly gurus in this group can correct my thinking .> > > thanks and regrds > > > sunil nair > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.> > > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote:> >> > Dear All,> > > > I wish you all A HAPPY AND PROSPEROUS NEW YEAR!> > > > I was able to locate the birth details of Rupert Murdoch and Anna Murdoch. To my delight, I could see the same combinations in their charts, that I have presented earlier for people who marry with big age difference. Rupert married Anna who is 13 years younger to him, next he married a Chinese lady who is 38 years younger to him! Anna, after divorcing Rupert married a man who is 27 years older than her!> > > > I have updated my ariticle in my blog by adding this example. You may go through the same at http://astrokrishna .blogspot. com> > > > Regards,> > Krishna> > > > > > > > > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.> >> > > > > > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search.>

January 2, 2008

Dear Sunil, Different people look at the same thing with different perspectives. Though the reality reamins the same, reality appears different to different people based on their perspective. Now, whose perspective is correct? There is no objective answer to this. When something can not be objectively proven, belief steps in. There is no argument when it comes to someone's belief. Here, I am only sharing my perspective based on my experience (or lack of it). You are sharing your perspective based on your experience. It is possible that there could be difference in opinion as our expereinces are vastly different. At the same time, I am very thankful to you for sharing your perspective. It gives me something to chew on, something to ponder about. I will definitely think about what you are trying to communicate. You gave an example chart, and asked if the event described

could have been predicted based on my theory. Probably, not. I have two reasons for it: - I have proposed something based on identification of a pattern. It has to pass the test of many more charts. Once, I have sufficient number of samples (at least a 100), I can start predicting confidently. Till then, i will be in the process of validation. Sharing my finding with others is one way to get more and more charts to validate. - It is difficult to assess a chart when the lagna is in sandhi. We are never sure if we have taken the right lagna. In the example chart you have given, the lagna is in a sandhi between Leo and Virgo. Out of curiosity, I just verified the chart with Virgo Lagna (the diff. in birth time will be about 3 min. 4 sec). This is what I have noticed: - UL lord Jupiter is in the Nakshatra of Moon - Moon is afflicted by Rahu - Rahu influences the UL lord Jupiter - Saturn aspects UL lord Jupiter - The incident you have described, most likely has taken place during Sat-Rahu period If you notice, this is exactly the combination that I have described in my write-up. Based on the event you have described, I tend to believe that the correct lagna for this native is Virgo. Thanks for sharing this chart. Regards, Krishna sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala wrote: Hare ramakrishna, dear krishna ji , Myself being an astrologer and being participated in so many grps many students thinking i know this UL methods when they find its not working in their charts they used to conct me and ask me for clearing the doubts . So i find its some times working and some times not .if u see surya narayana rao ,Ps sastri and Pt sanjay rath and Kn rao each is arguing and trying to eastablish their arudha system is correct .same is the case with late C S patel .So that is the reason why i dropped it . For example here is a chart 1st may 1970 at 15.03 PM jabal pur ,Madhya pradesh .This boy at the age of 27 or 29 .He find one girl in a dance party and fall in lov

with her and married her >marriage happend in arya samaj mandir and it was a secret marriage .Girl was below 17 years and it has given a hell of problems in his life and their rich and influencial family has to pay lot of money to the girl to hush up the matter . Here the mute point is UL is not influenced by any planet and UL lord is influenced by all planets we can say . So what we can take it ,if we dont know the event or prior to the event how we can decipher it Hope u understand .Being astrologer myself i am not after dry arguements any thing working is adoptable for me. regrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote:>> Dear Sunil,> > I am very happy to note that you could spare time to go through my work and to give your feedback on the same.> > Your observations about mixing systems is perfectly valid. I have my own reason for using the UL concept with Vimshottari dasha system. I would like to explian:> > I would like to point out that I have observed UL/UL lord concept to be resonating well with Vimshottari dasha and events in life. "Difference in age of spouse" is not the only area that I found UL to be useful. I am working on another area where UL/UL lord concept again works very well with the rest of the chart and resonates well with Vishottari dasha system. That is the reason I chose to present what I

presented. I need to explore further on couple of more areas in life with respect to UL and vimshottari before I can take a very strong stand on the same. > > At the same time, I am listening to your words of caution about mixing two systems. I would like to clarify that mixing different systems is neither my goal and nor I am enjoy doing it. I understand that I could easily lose my way if I pursue it blindly. I am taking a cautious approach.> > And, you are right that the sample size has to be much bigger to confirm a pattern. In whatever I have published so far, the sameple size that I have tried out would be at least double that of the number of examples I quote in my write-ups. Yet, I understand it is not big enough. At the same time, I feel what I am observing is not coincidental. There has to be some truth in what I have been observing. What I have presented may undergo some change with a much bigger sample size. And, at the same time, I

believe it can not be brushed away as irrelevant. I will continue to validate my hypothesis with each new case I come across. In fact, I am doing it on most theories I have published till now. I have not had single new case fail so far for the diabetes combination I have presented. Touch wood...> > Again, many thanks to your comment and friendly words of caution.> > Regards,> Krishna> > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala wrote:> > Hare ramakrishna,> dear Krishna .> > first of let me thank u for ur new year greetings .> > And now i will come to the point ,tho u r reserch is valid ,i hav few suggestions .> > One is we shud use rasi graha,significator methods and we shud not mix what is known as jaimini with parasari ( tho its not so -but i dont know any other name to specify it ) .As we r concentrating now rishi hora scheme here .And in jaimini still lot of

unidentified areas and 2 or 3 line of schools and each is telling their view is correct .And being our life is small and simple we can not work out on each and every claim in scientific way and then accept or reject it .> > we shud use only one dasa scheme with what ever rasi and amsa charts applicable .(tho u r using vim dasa here ) > > here i find u u r mixing methods ,so finaly we will be no where ,tho i am not telling u r wrong .> > Another thing is celebrity charts and its validity ,no way we can double check it .> > so in a reserch u shud hav some 100 charts with some set of rules and elimination and additions we shud start from there .Tho absence of public participation we cannot collect it ,ourself in short time .> > if u want then u can use other dasa schemes or method of arudha like that .> But we shud seperate it with each other and publish each obseravtion seperately .> >

Now coming to 9 planet 12 rasi scheme ,we hav some set of rules > > 7thlord ,its strenght and yogas ,its navamsa laord and its strenght and yogas ,also 7th rasi sphutta ( degree ) navamsa and its strenght and yogas .> > same way we can see influnce in 7th house also karaka > > general marriage karaka venus and for males strree karaka is also venus > > But here i hav a devaitive thinking for husband karaka for ladies ,i think we can take mars here .as in KP ( kala purusha which starts with mesha lagna ) 7th form 7th for ( ladies we hav to take this way ) is martian sign .So i think and i suggest let us take a different spouce karaka (karaka for husband ) for ladies for fine tuning .along with venus as marriage karaka,tho traditionaly some says jup is karaka for husband .Esp in north india .> > and now if u see the influnces and tatwas and planets along with other can mute the effects like sani ,rahu ,ketu

( as this may show older ) and planets like moon and merc ( as they r showing may younger ) shud be taken into consideration > > otherwise absence of 100s valid verified charts ,our reserch will be a futile exercise .> > Its my humble opinion ,even that is the reason i remain silent when u posted the first reserch for first time .> > hope u understand my concerns and i expect all memebrs opinions on it .Also other scholarly gurus in this group can correct my thinking .> > > thanks and regrds > > > sunil nair > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.> > > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote:> >> > Dear All,> > > > I wish you all A HAPPY AND PROSPEROUS NEW YEAR!> > > > I was able to locate the birth details of Rupert Murdoch and Anna

Murdoch. To my delight, I could see the same combinations in their charts, that I have presented earlier for people who marry with big age difference. Rupert married Anna who is 13 years younger to him, next he married a Chinese lady who is 38 years younger to him! Anna, after divorcing Rupert married a man who is 27 years older than her!> > > > I have updated my ariticle in my blog by adding this example. You may go through the same at http://astrokrishna .blogspot. com> > > > Regards,> > Krishna> > > > > > > > > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.> >> > > > > > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search.>

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January 2, 2008

Hare ramakrishna,

dear Krishna ji ,

I was not giving a chart which i got from .

This nativ belong to a highly affluent ,rich and political family and they r power brokers in the the delhi corridors .All the family is highly educated and wel placed .

and i know each and every life incidents in this boys chart .

only thing is that i am alone and i dont maitain a file for all kind of cases tho i am also reserch minded .

all the biggest astrologers at the time of his birth tried to see his chart and tried to predict for him as his father is a blver of astrology .

This includes B V raman ,his son and gayatri Vasu dev and also so man big gaints also including Pt .sanjay rath(very later ) .Also so many known and unknown pundits in North india .

Including many nadi astrologers of south ( not those who just nadi ola ( leaf ) readers ) .

I always find his chart tallies with simha lagna only .

His fathers humble begining to highest position in state of Madhya pradesh to his birth in a a brahmnin family as a 2nd son and till he get married comfortably was expalined by his simha lagna with various calculation.later he was selected to ( his father ) as chairman of one of the navaratna corporation of indian Govtment and now still under th pay rol of UN ,2 lacs dollars /per month as adviser .

Do u think with virgo lagna and navamsa lagna in makar givs this effect ,forget abt other intricate higher amsa s.

I can disclose this much without their valid consent.

so u can calculate now on that basis and i reserve my comments on what each astrologers predicted when the child was born ( their family keeps as record on each and every predictions also gives lot of dakshina to any one predicts .) .Since this boy is very close to me he has shown me reading of so many gr8 personalities in astro .

regds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote:>> Dear Sunil,> > Different people look at the same thing with different perspectives. Though the reality reamins the same, reality appears different to different people based on their perspective. Now, whose perspective is correct? There is no objective answer to this. When something can not be objectively proven, belief steps in. There is no argument when it comes to someone's belief.> > Here, I am only sharing my perspective based on my experience (or lack of it). You are sharing your perspective based on your experience. It is possible that there could be difference in opinion as our expereinces are vastly different. At the same time, I am very thankful to you for sharing your perspective. It gives me something to chew on, something to ponder about. I will definitely think about what you are trying to communicate.> > You gave an example chart, and asked if the event described could have been predicted based on my theory. Probably, not. I have two reasons for it:> > - I have proposed something based on identification of a pattern. It has to pass the test of many more charts. Once, I have sufficient number of samples (at least a 100), I can start predicting confidently. Till then, i will be in the process of validation. Sharing my finding with others is one way to get more and more charts to validate.> > - It is difficult to assess a chart when the lagna is in sandhi. We are never sure if we have taken the right lagna. In the example chart you have given, the lagna is in a sandhi between Leo and Virgo.> > Out of curiosity, I just verified the chart with Virgo Lagna (the diff. in birth time will be about 3 min. 4 sec). This is what I have noticed:> > - UL lord Jupiter is in the Nakshatra of Moon> - Moon is afflicted by Rahu> - Rahu influences the UL lord Jupiter> - Saturn aspects UL lord Jupiter> - The incident you have described, most likely has taken place during Sat-Rahu period> > If you notice, this is exactly the combination that I have described in my write-up. Based on the event you have described, I tend to believe that the correct lagna for this native is Virgo.> > Thanks for sharing this chart.> > Regards,> Krishna> > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala wrote:> Hare ramakrishna,> dear krishna ji ,> Myself being an astrologer and being participated in so many grps many students thinking i know this UL methods when they find its not working in their charts they used to conct me and ask me for clearing the doubts .> So i find its some times working and some times not .if u see surya narayana rao ,Ps sastri and Pt sanjay rath and Kn rao each is arguing and trying to eastablish their arudha system is correct .same is the case with late C S patel .So that is the reason why i dropped it .> For example here is a chart 1st may 1970 at 15.03 PM jabal pur ,Madhya pradesh .This boy at the age of 27 or 29 .He find one girl in a dance party and fall in lov with her and married her >marriage happend in arya samaj mandir and it was a secret marriage .Girl was below 17 years and it has given a hell of problems in his life and their rich and influencial family has to> pay lot of money to the girl to hush up the matter .> Here the mute point is UL is not influenced by any planet and UL lord is influenced by all planets we can say .> So what we can take it ,if we dont know the event or prior to the event how we can decipher it > Hope u understand .Being astrologer myself i am not after dry arguements any thing working is adoptable for me.> > regrds sunil nair > om shreem mahalaxmai namah> > > > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote:> >> > Dear Sunil,> > > > I am very happy to note that you could spare time to go through my work and to give your feedback on the same.> > > > Your observations about mixing systems is perfectly valid. I have my own reason for using the UL concept with Vimshottari dasha system. I would like to explian:> > > > I would like to point out that I have observed UL/UL lord concept to be resonating well with Vimshottari dasha and events in life. "Difference in age of spouse" is not the only area that I found UL to be useful. I am working on another area where UL/UL lord concept again works very well with the rest of the chart and resonates well with Vishottari dasha system. That is the reason I chose to present what I presented. I need to explore further on couple of more areas in life with respect to UL and vimshottari before I can take a very strong stand on the same. > > > > At the same time, I am listening to your words of caution about mixing two systems. I would like to clarify that mixing different systems is neither my goal and nor I am enjoy doing it. I understand that I could easily lose my way if I pursue it blindly. I am taking a cautious approach.> > > > And, you are right that the sample size has to be much bigger to confirm a pattern. In whatever I have published so far, the sameple size that I have tried out would be at least double that of the number of examples I quote in my write-ups. Yet, I understand it is not big enough. At the same time, I feel what I am observing is not coincidental. There has to be some truth in what I have been observing. What I have presented may undergo some change with a much bigger sample size. And, at the same time, I believe it can not be brushed away as irrelevant. I will continue to validate my hypothesis with each new case I come across. In fact, I am doing it on most theories I have published till now. I have not had single new case fail so far for the diabetes combination I have presented. Touch wood...> > > > Again, many thanks to your comment and friendly words of caution.> > > > Regards,> > Krishna> > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > Hare ramakrishna,> > dear Krishna .> > > > first of let me thank u for ur new year greetings .> > > > And now i will come to the point ,tho u r reserch is valid ,i hav few suggestions .> > > > One is we shud use rasi graha,significator methods and we shud not mix what is known as jaimini with parasari ( tho its not so -but i dont know any other name to specify it ) .As we r concentrating now rishi hora scheme here .And in jaimini still lot of unidentified areas and 2 or 3 line of schools and each is telling their view is correct .And being our life is small and simple we can not work out on each and every claim in scientific way and then accept or reject it .> > > > we shud use only one dasa scheme with what ever rasi and amsa charts applicable .(tho u r using vim dasa here ) > > > > here i find u u r mixing methods ,so finaly we will be no where ,tho i am not telling u r wrong .> > > > Another thing is celebrity charts and its validity ,no way we can double check it .> > > > so in a reserch u shud hav some 100 charts with some set of rules and elimination and additions we shud start from there .Tho absence of public participation we cannot collect it ,ourself in short time .> > > > if u want then u can use other dasa schemes or method of arudha like that .> > But we shud seperate it with each other and publish each obseravtion seperately .> > > > Now coming to 9 planet 12 rasi scheme ,we hav some set of rules > > > > 7thlord ,its strenght and yogas ,its navamsa laord and its strenght and yogas ,also 7th rasi sphutta ( degree ) navamsa and its strenght and yogas .> > > > same way we can see influnce in 7th house also karaka > > > > general marriage karaka venus and for males strree karaka is also venus > > > > But here i hav a devaitive thinking for husband karaka for ladies ,i think we can take mars here .as in KP ( kala purusha which starts with mesha lagna ) 7th form 7th for ( ladies we hav to take this way ) is martian sign .So i think and i suggest let us take a different spouce karaka (karaka for husband ) for ladies for fine tuning .along with venus as marriage karaka,tho traditionaly some says jup is karaka for husband .Esp in north india .> > > > and now if u see the influnces and tatwas and planets along with other can mute the effects like sani ,rahu ,ketu ( as this may show older ) and planets like moon and merc ( as they r showing may younger ) shud be taken into consideration > > > > otherwise absence of 100s valid verified charts ,our reserch will be a futile exercise .> > > > Its my humble opinion ,even that is the reason i remain silent when u posted the first reserch for first time .> > > > hope u understand my concerns and i expect all memebrs opinions on it .Also other scholarly gurus in this group can correct my thinking .> > > > > > thanks and regrds > > > > > > sunil nair > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.> > > > > > > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear All,> > > > > > I wish you all A HAPPY AND PROSPEROUS NEW YEAR!> > > > > > I was able to locate the birth details of Rupert Murdoch and Anna Murdoch. To my delight, I could see the same combinations in their charts, that I have presented earlier for people who marry with big age difference. Rupert married Anna who is 13 years younger to him, next he married a Chinese lady who is 38 years younger to him! Anna, after divorcing Rupert married a man who is 27 years older than her!> > > > > > I have updated my ariticle in my blog by adding this example. You may go through the same at http://astrokrishna .blogspot. com> > > > > > Regards,> > > Krishna> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search.> >> > > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now.>

January 2, 2008

Hare ramakrishna ,

dear krishna ji ,

Now i rememebr what sri K N rao without going much given his father one prediction in writing that his marriage after 34 will be stable one

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

, "sunil nair" <astro_tellerkerala wrote:>> > > > Hare ramakrishna,> > dear Krishna ji ,> > > > I was not giving a chart which i got from .> > > > This nativ belong to a highly affluent ,rich and political family and> they r power brokers in the the delhi corridors .All the family is> highly educated and wel placed .> > > > > and i know each and every life incidents in this boys chart .> > > > only thing is that i am alone and i dont maitain a file for all kind of> cases tho i am also reserch minded .> > > > all the biggest astrologers at the time of his birth tried to see his> chart and tried to predict for him as his father is a blver of astrology> .> > > > This includes B V raman ,his son and gayatri Vasu dev and also so man> big gaints also including Pt .sanjay rath(very later ) .Also so many> known and unknown pundits in North india .> > > > Including many nadi astrologers of south ( not those who just nadi ola> ( leaf ) readers ) .> > > > I always find his chart tallies with simha lagna only .> > > > His fathers humble begining to highest position in state of Madhya> pradesh to his birth in a a brahmnin family as a 2nd son and till he get> married comfortably was expalined by his simha lagna with various> calculation.later he was selected to ( his father ) as chairman of one> of the navaratna corporation of indian Govtment and now still under th> pay rol of UN ,2 lacs dollars /per month as adviser .> > > > Do u think with virgo lagna and navamsa lagna in makar givs this effect> ,forget abt other intricate higher amsa s.> > > > > > I can disclose this much without their valid consent.> > > > so u can calculate now on that basis and i reserve my comments on what> each astrologers predicted when the child was born ( their family keeps> as record on each and every predictions also gives lot of dakshina to> any one predicts .) .Since this boy is very close to me he has shown me> reading of so many gr8 personalities in astro .> > > > > > regds sunil nair> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> > > > > , Krishnamurthy> Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote:> >> > Dear Sunil,> >> > Different people look at the same thing with different perspectives.> Though the reality reamins the same, reality appears different to> different people based on their perspective. Now, whose perspective is> correct? There is no objective answer to this. When something can not be> objectively proven, belief steps in. There is no argument when it comes> to someone's belief.> >> > Here, I am only sharing my perspective based on my experience (or lack> of it). You are sharing your perspective based on your experience. It is> possible that there could be difference in opinion as our expereinces> are vastly different. At the same time, I am very thankful to you for> sharing your perspective. It gives me something to chew on, something to> ponder about. I will definitely think about what you are trying to> communicate.> >> > You gave an example chart, and asked if the event described could have> been predicted based on my theory. Probably, not. I have two reasons for> it:> >> > - I have proposed something based on identification of a pattern. It> has to pass the test of many more charts. Once, I have sufficient number> of samples (at least a 100), I can start predicting confidently. Till> then, i will be in the process of validation. Sharing my finding with> others is one way to get more and more charts to validate.> >> > - It is difficult to assess a chart when the lagna is in sandhi. We> are never sure if we have taken the right lagna. In the example chart> you have given, the lagna is in a sandhi between Leo and Virgo.> >> > Out of curiosity, I just verified the chart with Virgo Lagna (the> diff. in birth time will be about 3 min. 4 sec). This is what I have> noticed:> >> > - UL lord Jupiter is in the Nakshatra of Moon> > - Moon is afflicted by Rahu> > - Rahu influences the UL lord Jupiter> > - Saturn aspects UL lord Jupiter> > - The incident you have described, most likely has taken place during> Sat-Rahu period> >> > If you notice, this is exactly the combination that I have described> in my write-up. Based on the event you have described, I tend to believe> that the correct lagna for this native is Virgo.> >> > Thanks for sharing this chart.> >> > Regards,> > Krishna> >> >> >> > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > Hare ramakrishna,> > dear krishna ji ,> > Myself being an astrologer and being participated in so many > grps many students thinking i know this UL methods when they find its> not working in their charts they used to conct me and ask me for> clearing the doubts .> > So i find its some times working and some times not .if u see surya> narayana rao ,Ps sastri and Pt sanjay rath and Kn rao each is arguing> and trying to eastablish their arudha system is correct .same is the> case with late C S patel .So that is the reason why i dropped it .> > For example here is a chart 1st may 1970 at 15.03 PM jabal pur ,Madhya> pradesh .This boy at the age of 27 or 29 .He find one girl in a dance> party and fall in lov with her and married her >marriage happend in arya> samaj mandir and it was a secret marriage .Girl was below 17 years and> it has given a hell of problems in his life and their rich and> influencial family has to> > pay lot of money to the girl to hush up the matter .> > Here the mute point is UL is not influenced by any planet and UL lord> is influenced by all planets we can say .> > So what we can take it ,if we dont know the event or prior to the> event how we can decipher it> > Hope u understand .Being astrologer myself i am not after dry> arguements any thing working is adoptable for me.> >> > regrds sunil nair> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah> >> >> >> >> > , Krishnamurthy> Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sunil,> > >> > > I am very happy to note that you could spare time to go through my> work and to give your feedback on the same.> > >> > > Your observations about mixing systems is perfectly valid. I have my> own reason for using the UL concept with Vimshottari dasha system. I> would like to explian:> > >> > > I would like to point out that I have observed UL/UL lord concept to> be resonating well with Vimshottari dasha and events in life.> "Difference in age of spouse" is not the only area that I found UL to be> useful. I am working on another area where UL/UL lord concept again> works very well with the rest of the chart and resonates well with> Vishottari dasha system. That is the reason I chose to present what I> presented. I need to explore further on couple of more areas in life> with respect to UL and vimshottari before I can take a very strong stand> on the same.> > >> > > At the same time, I am listening to your words of caution about> mixing two systems. I would like to clarify that mixing different> systems is neither my goal and nor I am enjoy doing it. I understand> that I could easily lose my way if I pursue it blindly. I am taking a> cautious approach.> > >> > > And, you are right that the sample size has to be much bigger to> confirm a pattern. In whatever I have published so far, the sameple size> that I have tried out would be at least double that of the number of> examples I quote in my write-ups. Yet, I understand it is not big> enough. At the same time, I feel what I am observing is not> coincidental. There has to be some truth in what I have been observing.> What I have presented may undergo some change with a much bigger sample> size. And, at the same time, I believe it can not be brushed away as> irrelevant. I will continue to validate my hypothesis with each new case> I come across. In fact, I am doing it on most theories I have published> till now. I have not had single new case fail so far for the diabetes> combination I have presented. Touch wood...> > >> > > Again, many thanks to your comment and friendly words of caution.> > >> > > Regards,> > > Krishna> > >> > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > >> > > Hare ramakrishna,> > > dear Krishna .> > >> > > first of let me thank u for ur new year greetings .> > >> > > And now i will come to the point ,tho u r reserch is valid ,i hav> few suggestions .> > >> > > One is we shud use rasi graha,significator methods and we shud not> mix what is known as jaimini with parasari ( tho its not so -but i dont> know any other name to specify it ) .As we r concentrating now rishi> hora scheme here .And in jaimini still lot of unidentified areas and 2> or 3 line of schools and each is telling their view is correct .And> being our life is small and simple we can not work out on each and every> claim in scientific way and then accept or reject it .> > >> > > we shud use only one dasa scheme with what ever rasi and amsa charts> applicable .(tho u r using vim dasa here )> > >> > > here i find u u r mixing methods ,so finaly we will be no where ,tho> i am not telling u r wrong .> > >> > > Another thing is celebrity charts and its validity ,no way we can> double check it .> > >> > > so in a reserch u shud hav some 100 charts with some set of rules> and elimination and additions we shud start from there .Tho absence of> public participation we cannot collect it ,ourself in short time .> > >> > > if u want then u can use other dasa schemes or method of arudha like> that .> > > But we shud seperate it with each other and publish each obseravtion> seperately .> > >> > > Now coming to 9 planet 12 rasi scheme ,we hav some set of rules> > >> > > 7thlord ,its strenght and yogas ,its navamsa laord and its strenght> and yogas ,also 7th rasi sphutta ( degree ) navamsa and its strenght and> yogas .> > >> > > same way we can see influnce in 7th house also karaka> > >> > > general marriage karaka venus and for males strree karaka is also> venus> > >> > > But here i hav a devaitive thinking for husband karaka for ladies ,i> think we can take mars here .as in KP ( kala purusha which starts with> mesha lagna ) 7th form 7th for ( ladies we hav to take this way ) is> martian sign .So i think and i suggest let us take a different spouce> karaka (karaka for husband ) for ladies for fine tuning .along with> venus as marriage karaka,tho traditionaly some says jup is karaka for> husband .Esp in north india .> > >> > > and now if u see the influnces and tatwas and planets along with> other can mute the effects like sani ,rahu ,ketu ( as this may show> older ) and planets like moon and merc ( as they r showing may younger )> shud be taken into consideration> > >> > > otherwise absence of 100s valid verified charts ,our reserch will be> a futile exercise .> > >> > > Its my humble opinion ,even that is the reason i remain silent when> u posted the first reserch for first time .> > >> > > hope u understand my concerns and i expect all memebrs opinions on> it .Also other scholarly gurus in this group can correct my thinking .> > >> > >> > > thanks and regrds> > >> > >> > > sunil nair> > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.> > >> > >> > >> > > , Krishnamurthy> Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear All,> > > >> > > > I wish you all A HAPPY AND PROSPEROUS NEW YEAR!> > > >> > > > I was able to locate the birth details of Rupert Murdoch and Anna> Murdoch. To my delight, I could see the same combinations in their> charts, that I have presented earlier for people who marry with big age> difference. Rupert married Anna who is 13 years younger to him, next he> married a Chinese lady who is 38 years younger to him! Anna, after> divorcing Rupert married a man who is 27 years older than her!> > > >> > > > I have updated my ariticle in my blog by adding this example. You> may go through the same at http://astrokrishna .blogspot. com> > > >> > > > Regards,> > > > Krishna> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with > Search.> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try> it now.> >>

January 2, 2008

Dear Sunil, 34 years means after Mer-Mer, definitely after the MD of Sat. Thanks for sharing some details about the native. If we have to decide which navamsha lagna is better for him, I need more details: Dhanu Navamsha could suit better if: The person has some artistic talents, has exceptionally good voice, good in maths, and has some writing skills. Makara lagna could suit better if: The person exhibits leadership qualities, adapts well and can take up any kind of work, is short tempered, and is interested in martial arts. Since you know the person well, I am sure you will be able to give me a feedback on this. Regards, Krishna sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala wrote: Hare ramakrishna , dear krishna ji , Now i rememebr what sri K N rao without going much given his father one prediction in writing that his marriage after 34 will be stable one regrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah. --- In

, "sunil nair" <astro_tellerkerala wrote:>> > > > Hare ramakrishna,> > dear Krishna ji ,> > > > I was not giving a chart which i got from .> > > > This nativ belong to a highly affluent ,rich and political family and> they r power brokers in the the delhi corridors .All the family is> highly educated and wel placed .> > > > > and i know each and every life incidents in this boys chart .> > > > only thing is that i am alone and i dont maitain a file for all kind of> cases tho i am also reserch minded .> > > > all the biggest astrologers at the time of his birth tried to see his> chart and tried to predict for him as his father is a blver of astrology> .> >

> > This includes B V raman ,his son and gayatri Vasu dev and also so man> big gaints also including Pt .sanjay rath(very later ) .Also so many> known and unknown pundits in North india .> > > > Including many nadi astrologers of south ( not those who just nadi ola> ( leaf ) readers ) .> > > > I always find his chart tallies with simha lagna only .> > > > His fathers humble begining to highest position in state of Madhya> pradesh to his birth in a a brahmnin family as a 2nd son and till he get> married comfortably was expalined by his simha lagna with various> calculation.later he was selected to ( his father ) as chairman of one> of the navaratna corporation of indian Govtment and now still under th> pay rol of UN ,2 lacs dollars /per month as adviser .> > > > Do u think with virgo lagna

and navamsa lagna in makar givs this effect> ,forget abt other intricate higher amsa s.> > > > > > I can disclose this much without their valid consent.> > > > so u can calculate now on that basis and i reserve my comments on what> each astrologers predicted when the child was born ( their family keeps> as record on each and every predictions also gives lot of dakshina to> any one predicts .) .Since this boy is very close to me he has shown me> reading of so many gr8 personalities in astro .> > > > > > regds sunil nair> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> > > > > , Krishnamurthy> Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote:> >> > Dear Sunil,> >> > Different people look at the same thing

with different perspectives.> Though the reality reamins the same, reality appears different to> different people based on their perspective. Now, whose perspective is> correct? There is no objective answer to this. When something can not be> objectively proven, belief steps in. There is no argument when it comes> to someone's belief.> >> > Here, I am only sharing my perspective based on my experience (or lack> of it). You are sharing your perspective based on your experience. It is> possible that there could be difference in opinion as our expereinces> are vastly different. At the same time, I am very thankful to you for> sharing your perspective. It gives me something to chew on, something to> ponder about. I will definitely think about what you are trying to> communicate.> >> > You gave an example chart, and asked if the event described could have>

been predicted based on my theory. Probably, not. I have two reasons for> it:> >> > - I have proposed something based on identification of a pattern. It> has to pass the test of many more charts. Once, I have sufficient number> of samples (at least a 100), I can start predicting confidently. Till> then, i will be in the process of validation. Sharing my finding with> others is one way to get more and more charts to validate.> >> > - It is difficult to assess a chart when the lagna is in sandhi. We> are never sure if we have taken the right lagna. In the example chart> you have given, the lagna is in a sandhi between Leo and Virgo.> >> > Out of curiosity, I just verified the chart with Virgo Lagna (the> diff. in birth time will be about 3 min. 4 sec). This is what I have> noticed:> >> > - UL lord Jupiter is in the Nakshatra of

Moon> > - Moon is afflicted by Rahu> > - Rahu influences the UL lord Jupiter> > - Saturn aspects UL lord Jupiter> > - The incident you have described, most likely has taken place during> Sat-Rahu period> >> > If you notice, this is exactly the combination that I have described> in my write-up. Based on the event you have described, I tend to believe> that the correct lagna for this native is Virgo.> >> > Thanks for sharing this chart.> >> > Regards,> > Krishna> >> >> >> > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > Hare ramakrishna,> > dear krishna ji ,> > Myself being an astrologer and being participated in so many > grps many students thinking i know this UL methods when they find its> not working in their charts they used to conct me and ask me for>

clearing the doubts .> > So i find its some times working and some times not .if u see surya> narayana rao ,Ps sastri and Pt sanjay rath and Kn rao each is arguing> and trying to eastablish their arudha system is correct .same is the> case with late C S patel .So that is the reason why i dropped it .> > For example here is a chart 1st may 1970 at 15.03 PM jabal pur ,Madhya> pradesh .This boy at the age of 27 or 29 .He find one girl in a dance> party and fall in lov with her and married her >marriage happend in arya> samaj mandir and it was a secret marriage .Girl was below 17 years and> it has given a hell of problems in his life and their rich and> influencial family has to> > pay lot of money to the girl to hush up the matter .> > Here the mute point is UL is not influenced by any planet and UL lord> is influenced by all planets we can say .> > So what we

can take it ,if we dont know the event or prior to the> event how we can decipher it> > Hope u understand .Being astrologer myself i am not after dry> arguements any thing working is adoptable for me.> >> > regrds sunil nair> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah> >> >> >> >> > , Krishnamurthy> Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sunil,> > >> > > I am very happy to note that you could spare time to go through my> work and to give your feedback on the same.> > >> > > Your observations about mixing systems is perfectly valid. I have my> own reason for using the UL concept with Vimshottari dasha system. I> would like to explian:> > >> > > I would like to point out that I have

observed UL/UL lord concept to> be resonating well with Vimshottari dasha and events in life.> "Difference in age of spouse" is not the only area that I found UL to be> useful. I am working on another area where UL/UL lord concept again> works very well with the rest of the chart and resonates well with> Vishottari dasha system. That is the reason I chose to present what I> presented. I need to explore further on couple of more areas in life> with respect to UL and vimshottari before I can take a very strong stand> on the same.> > >> > > At the same time, I am listening to your words of caution about> mixing two systems. I would like to clarify that mixing different> systems is neither my goal and nor I am enjoy doing it. I understand> that I could easily lose my way if I pursue it blindly. I am taking a> cautious approach.> > >> > > And,

you are right that the sample size has to be much bigger to> confirm a pattern. In whatever I have published so far, the sameple size> that I have tried out would be at least double that of the number of> examples I quote in my write-ups. Yet, I understand it is not big> enough. At the same time, I feel what I am observing is not> coincidental. There has to be some truth in what I have been observing.> What I have presented may undergo some change with a much bigger sample> size. And, at the same time, I believe it can not be brushed away as> irrelevant. I will continue to validate my hypothesis with each new case> I come across. In fact, I am doing it on most theories I have published> till now. I have not had single new case fail so far for the diabetes> combination I have presented. Touch wood...> > >> > > Again, many thanks to your comment and friendly words of

caution.> > >> > > Regards,> > > Krishna> > >> > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > >> > > Hare ramakrishna,> > > dear Krishna .> > >> > > first of let me thank u for ur new year greetings .> > >> > > And now i will come to the point ,tho u r reserch is valid ,i hav> few suggestions .> > >> > > One is we shud use rasi graha,significator methods and we shud not> mix what is known as jaimini with parasari ( tho its not so -but i dont> know any other name to specify it ) .As we r concentrating now rishi> hora scheme here .And in jaimini still lot of unidentified areas and 2> or 3 line of schools and each is telling their view is correct .And> being our life is small and simple we can not work out on each and every> claim in scientific way

and then accept or reject it .> > >> > > we shud use only one dasa scheme with what ever rasi and amsa charts> applicable .(tho u r using vim dasa here )> > >> > > here i find u u r mixing methods ,so finaly we will be no where ,tho> i am not telling u r wrong .> > >> > > Another thing is celebrity charts and its validity ,no way we can> double check it .> > >> > > so in a reserch u shud hav some 100 charts with some set of rules> and elimination and additions we shud start from there .Tho absence of> public participation we cannot collect it ,ourself in short time .> > >> > > if u want then u can use other dasa schemes or method of arudha like> that .> > > But we shud seperate it with each other and publish each obseravtion> seperately .> > >> > > Now coming

to 9 planet 12 rasi scheme ,we hav some set of rules> > >> > > 7thlord ,its strenght and yogas ,its navamsa laord and its strenght> and yogas ,also 7th rasi sphutta ( degree ) navamsa and its strenght and> yogas .> > >> > > same way we can see influnce in 7th house also karaka> > >> > > general marriage karaka venus and for males strree karaka is also> venus> > >> > > But here i hav a devaitive thinking for husband karaka for ladies ,i> think we can take mars here .as in KP ( kala purusha which starts with> mesha lagna ) 7th form 7th for ( ladies we hav to take this way ) is> martian sign .So i think and i suggest let us take a different spouce> karaka (karaka for husband ) for ladies for fine tuning .along with> venus as marriage karaka,tho traditionaly some says jup is karaka for> husband .Esp in north

india .> > >> > > and now if u see the influnces and tatwas and planets along with> other can mute the effects like sani ,rahu ,ketu ( as this may show> older ) and planets like moon and merc ( as they r showing may younger )> shud be taken into consideration> > >> > > otherwise absence of 100s valid verified charts ,our reserch will be> a futile exercise .> > >> > > Its my humble opinion ,even that is the reason i remain silent when> u posted the first reserch for first time .> > >> > > hope u understand my concerns and i expect all memebrs opinions on> it .Also other scholarly gurus in this group can correct my thinking .> > >> > >> > > thanks and regrds> > >> > >> > > sunil nair> > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.> > >>

> >> > >> > > , Krishnamurthy> Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear All,> > > >> > > > I wish you all A HAPPY AND PROSPEROUS NEW YEAR!> > > >> > > > I was able to locate the birth details of Rupert Murdoch and Anna> Murdoch. To my delight, I could see the same combinations in their> charts, that I have presented earlier for people who marry with big age> difference. Rupert married Anna who is 13 years younger to him, next he> married a Chinese lady who is 38 years younger to him! Anna, after> divorcing Rupert married a man who is 27 years older than her!> > > >> > > > I have updated my ariticle in my blog by adding this example. You> may go through the same at http://astrokrishna .blogspot.

com> > > >> > > > Regards,> > > > Krishna> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with > Search.> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try> it now.> >>

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January 2, 2008

Dear Harry,

Can you tell me how Jupiter can be the karaka for husband for women ??

Any reference or reasons behind it..??

with regards,

Sreeram_Srinivas

, " Haresh \(Harry\)

Nathani " <haresh1405 wrote:

>

> Dear Nairaji

>

> Pls note that karaka for womens marraige is jupiter & for men it is

venus.

>

> Harry

> Vedic Astrologer

> Cell +91 9867214103

>

January 3, 2008

Dear Harry ji, Lol....! Don't try to teach the squirrel to climb the tree... :) Sunil ji is a very knowledgeable and practical astrology with many years of experience and vast knowledge. Do you think he does not know who is that he does not know the nursery lesson 'which is the significator of husband/wife or man/women?' Lol..... ) What happened to you? Just check the previous mails and have a basic understanding about the knowledge level and understanding of the people who are participating in the discussion in this group - they are NOT kids; but it seems that you are yet to understand them and their level of understanding. Note: Dear Haryy ji, no offence intended. I just felt a strong laugh (a wave of fun) when I read you mail trying to teach the squirrel the lessons on climbing the tree... ) - that is why this mail. Enjoy! Love and regards,Sreenadh , "Haresh \(Harry\) Nathani" <haresh1405 wrote:>> Dear Nairaji> > Pls note that karaka for womens marraige is jupiter & for men it is venus.> > Harry> Vedic Astrologer> Cell +91 9867214103>

January 3, 2008

Hare ramakrishna,

dear krishna ji ,

I think he suits more to dhanus Navmsa with Ak budh in Navamsa lagna .

he looks more good than rest of the family memebrs and got a air of royalty in all moves and mannerism.Very soft spoken guy .

More inclined to venusian professions tho he was working in power sector b4(mostly ) .Which he always resigns after 3 or 6 mnths .Worked with ZEE TV also as manager .I dont know which dept .

Now working with medias & entertainment and got a good connection with alva brothers (margaret alva s sons) ,( indian idol fame ) ,but i am not sure what way they r going to co operate.As some US invester also investing with alva comapny to make serials and may be own channel .

he is in mumbai now.so lately six months hardly much connection .

he is engineer and MBA in marketting .Voice is good ,but not into singing .

Hope this helps .

regrds sunil nair

Om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote:>> Dear Sunil,> > 34 years means after Mer-Mer, definitely after the MD of Sat.> > Thanks for sharing some details about the native. If we have to decide which navamsha lagna is better for him, I need more details:> > Dhanu Navamsha could suit better if: The person has some artistic talents, has exceptionally good voice, good in maths, and has some writing skills.> > Makara lagna could suit better if: The person exhibits leadership qualities, adapts well and can take up any kind of work, is short tempered, and is interested in martial arts.> > Since you know the person well, I am sure you will be able to give me a feedback on this.> > Regards,> Krishna> > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala wrote:> > Hare ramakrishna ,> dear krishna ji ,> Now i rememebr what sri K N rao without going much given his father one prediction in writing that his marriage after 34 will be stable one > > regrds sunil nair > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.> > > > , "sunil nair" astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> >> > > > > > > > Hare ramakrishna,> > > > dear Krishna ji ,> > > > > > > > I was not giving a chart which i got from .> > > > > > > > This nativ belong to a highly affluent ,rich and political family and> > they r power brokers in the the delhi corridors .All the family is> > highly educated and wel placed .> > > > > > > > > > and i know each and every life incidents in this boys chart .> > > > > > > > only thing is that i am alone and i dont maitain a file for all kind of> > cases tho i am also reserch minded .> > > > > > > > all the biggest astrologers at the time of his birth tried to see his> > chart and tried to predict for him as his father is a blver of astrology> > .> > > > > > > > This includes B V raman ,his son and gayatri Vasu dev and also so man> > big gaints also including Pt .sanjay rath(very later ) .Also so many> > known and unknown pundits in North india .> > > > > > > > Including many nadi astrologers of south ( not those who just nadi ola> > ( leaf ) readers ) .> > > > > > > > I always find his chart tallies with simha lagna only .> > > > > > > > His fathers humble begining to highest position in state of Madhya> > pradesh to his birth in a a brahmnin family as a 2nd son and till he get> > married comfortably was expalined by his simha lagna with various> > calculation.later he was selected to ( his father ) as chairman of one> > of the navaratna corporation of indian Govtment and now still under th> > pay rol of UN ,2 lacs dollars /per month as adviser .> > > > > > > > Do u think with virgo lagna and navamsa lagna in makar givs this effect> > ,forget abt other intricate higher amsa s.> > > > > > > > > > > > I can disclose this much without their valid consent.> > > > > > > > so u can calculate now on that basis and i reserve my comments on what> > each astrologers predicted when the child was born ( their family keeps> > as record on each and every predictions also gives lot of dakshina to> > any one predicts .) .Since this boy is very close to me he has shown me> > reading of so many gr8 personalities in astro .> > > > > > > > > > > > regds sunil nair> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> > > > > > > > > > , Krishnamurthy> > Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sunil,> > >> > > Different people look at the same thing with different perspectives.> > Though the reality reamins the same, reality appears different to> > different people based on their perspective. Now, whose perspective is> > correct? There is no objective answer to this. When something can not be> > objectively proven, belief steps in. There is no argument when it comes> > to someone's belief.> > >> > > Here, I am only sharing my perspective based on my experience (or lack> > of it). You are sharing your perspective based on your experience. It is> > possible that there could be difference in opinion as our expereinces> > are vastly different. At the same time, I am very thankful to you for> > sharing your perspective. It gives me something to chew on, something to> > ponder about. I will definitely think about what you are trying to> > communicate.> > >> > > You gave an example chart, and asked if the event described could have> > been predicted based on my theory. Probably, not. I have two reasons for> > it:> > >> > > - I have proposed something based on identification of a pattern. It> > has to pass the test of many more charts. Once, I have sufficient number> > of samples (at least a 100), I can start predicting confidently. Till> > then, i will be in the process of validation. Sharing my finding with> > others is one way to get more and more charts to validate.> > >> > > - It is difficult to assess a chart when the lagna is in sandhi. We> > are never sure if we have taken the right lagna. In the example chart> > you have given, the lagna is in a sandhi between Leo and Virgo.> > >> > > Out of curiosity, I just verified the chart with Virgo Lagna (the> > diff. in birth time will be about 3 min. 4 sec). This is what I have> > noticed:> > >> > > - UL lord Jupiter is in the Nakshatra of Moon> > > - Moon is afflicted by Rahu> > > - Rahu influences the UL lord Jupiter> > > - Saturn aspects UL lord Jupiter> > > - The incident you have described, most likely has taken place during> > Sat-Rahu period> > >> > > If you notice, this is exactly the combination that I have described> > in my write-up. Based on the event you have described, I tend to believe> > that the correct lagna for this native is Virgo.> > >> > > Thanks for sharing this chart.> > >> > > Regards,> > > Krishna> > >> > >> > >> > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > Hare ramakrishna,> > > dear krishna ji ,> > > Myself being an astrologer and being participated in so many > > grps many students thinking i know this UL methods when they find its> > not working in their charts they used to conct me and ask me for> > clearing the doubts .> > > So i find its some times working and some times not .if u see surya> > narayana rao ,Ps sastri and Pt sanjay rath and Kn rao each is arguing> > and trying to eastablish their arudha system is correct .same is the> > case with late C S patel .So that is the reason why i dropped it .> > > For example here is a chart 1st may 1970 at 15.03 PM jabal pur ,Madhya> > pradesh .This boy at the age of 27 or 29 .He find one girl in a dance> > party and fall in lov with her and married her >marriage happend in arya> > samaj mandir and it was a secret marriage .Girl was below 17 years and> > it has given a hell of problems in his life and their rich and> > influencial family has to> > > pay lot of money to the girl to hush up the matter .> > > Here the mute point is UL is not influenced by any planet and UL lord> > is influenced by all planets we can say .> > > So what we can take it ,if we dont know the event or prior to the> > event how we can decipher it> > > Hope u understand .Being astrologer myself i am not after dry> > arguements any thing working is adoptable for me.> > >> > > regrds sunil nair> > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > , Krishnamurthy> > Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Sunil,> > > >> > > > I am very happy to note that you could spare time to go through my> > work and to give your feedback on the same.> > > >> > > > Your observations about mixing systems is perfectly valid. I have my> > own reason for using the UL concept with Vimshottari dasha system. I> > would like to explian:> > > >> > > > I would like to point out that I have observed UL/UL lord concept to> > be resonating well with Vimshottari dasha and events in life.> > "Difference in age of spouse" is not the only area that I found UL to be> > useful. I am working on another area where UL/UL lord concept again> > works very well with the rest of the chart and resonates well with> > Vishottari dasha system. That is the reason I chose to present what I> > presented. I need to explore further on couple of more areas in life> > with respect to UL and vimshottari before I can take a very strong stand> > on the same.> > > >> > > > At the same time, I am listening to your words of caution about> > mixing two systems. I would like to clarify that mixing different> > systems is neither my goal and nor I am enjoy doing it. I understand> > that I could easily lose my way if I pursue it blindly. I am taking a> > cautious approach.> > > >> > > > And, you are right that the sample size has to be much bigger to> > confirm a pattern. In whatever I have published so far, the sameple size> > that I have tried out would be at least double that of the number of> > examples I quote in my write-ups. Yet, I understand it is not big> > enough. At the same time, I feel what I am observing is not> > coincidental. There has to be some truth in what I have been observing.> > What I have presented may undergo some change with a much bigger sample> > size. And, at the same time, I believe it can not be brushed away as> > irrelevant. I will continue to validate my hypothesis with each new case> > I come across. In fact, I am doing it on most theories I have published> > till now. I have not had single new case fail so far for the diabetes> > combination I have presented. Touch wood...> > > >> > > > Again, many thanks to your comment and friendly words of caution.> > > >> > > > Regards,> > > > Krishna> > > >> > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Hare ramakrishna,> > > > dear Krishna .> > > >> > > > first of let me thank u for ur new year greetings .> > > >> > > > And now i will come to the point ,tho u r reserch is valid ,i hav> > few suggestions .> > > >> > > > One is we shud use rasi graha,significator methods and we shud not> > mix what is known as jaimini with parasari ( tho its not so -but i dont> > know any other name to specify it ) .As we r concentrating now rishi> > hora scheme here .And in jaimini still lot of unidentified areas and 2> > or 3 line of schools and each is telling their view is correct .And> > being our life is small and simple we can not work out on each and every> > claim in scientific way and then accept or reject it .> > > >> > > > we shud use only one dasa scheme with what ever rasi and amsa charts> > applicable .(tho u r using vim dasa here )> > > >> > > > here i find u u r mixing methods ,so finaly we will be no where ,tho> > i am not telling u r wrong .> > > >> > > > Another thing is celebrity charts and its validity ,no way we can> > double check it .> > > >> > > > so in a reserch u shud hav some 100 charts with some set of rules> > and elimination and additions we shud start from there .Tho absence of> > public participation we cannot collect it ,ourself in short time .> > > >> > > > if u want then u can use other dasa schemes or method of arudha like> > that .> > > > But we shud seperate it with each other and publish each obseravtion> > seperately .> > > >> > > > Now coming to 9 planet 12 rasi scheme ,we hav some set of rules> > > >> > > > 7thlord ,its strenght and yogas ,its navamsa laord and its strenght> > and yogas ,also 7th rasi sphutta ( degree ) navamsa and its strenght and> > yogas .> > > >> > > > same way we can see influnce in 7th house also karaka> > > >> > > > general marriage karaka venus and for males strree karaka is also> > venus> > > >> > > > But here i hav a devaitive thinking for husband karaka for ladies ,i> > think we can take mars here .as in KP ( kala purusha which starts with> > mesha lagna ) 7th form 7th for ( ladies we hav to take this way ) is> > martian sign .So i think and i suggest let us take a different spouce> > karaka (karaka for husband ) for ladies for fine tuning .along with> > venus as marriage karaka,tho traditionaly some says jup is karaka for> > husband .Esp in north india .> > > >> > > > and now if u see the influnces and tatwas and planets along with> > other can mute the effects like sani ,rahu ,ketu ( as this may show> > older ) and planets like moon and merc ( as they r showing may younger )> > shud be taken into consideration> > > >> > > > otherwise absence of 100s valid verified charts ,our reserch will be> > a futile exercise .> > > >> > > > Its my humble opinion ,even that is the reason i remain silent when> > u posted the first reserch for first time .> > > >> > > > hope u understand my concerns and i expect all memebrs opinions on> > it .Also other scholarly gurus in this group can correct my thinking .> > > >> > > >> > > > thanks and regrds> > > >> > > >> > > > sunil nair> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > , Krishnamurthy> > Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear All,> > > > >> > > > > I wish you all A HAPPY AND PROSPEROUS NEW YEAR!> > > > >> > > > > I was able to locate the birth details of Rupert Murdoch and Anna> > Murdoch. To my delight, I could see the same combinations in their> > charts, that I have presented earlier for people who marry with big age> > difference. Rupert married Anna who is 13 years younger to him, next he> > married a Chinese lady who is 38 years younger to him! Anna, after> > divorcing Rupert married a man who is 27 years older than her!> > > > >> > > > > I have updated my ariticle in my blog by adding this example. You> > may go through the same at http://astrokrishna .blogspot. com> > > > >> > > > > Regards,> > > > > Krishna> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with > > Search.> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try> > it now.> > >> >> > > > > > > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.>

January 3, 2008

Dear Sunil, You are breaking your agreement to drop 'ji' when you address me :-) Normally, I don't check Ak in a chart. I am not used to it that much. But, since you mentioned it, I started looking at it as to why you feel Ak in lagnamsha is a better placement. What I understand is Ak in lagnamsha indicates birth in a royal family of noble lineage. In one of your earlier messages you have mentioned that his father is from a humble brahmin family. They might have got rich/powerful after his birth. Actually, when Ak placed at 12th from lagnamsha the native becomes very rich and blessed by lakshmi. Please give your opinion/clarification on this matter. Also, please give me some info on his children. Regards, Krishnasunil nair <astro_tellerkerala wrote: Hare ramakrishna, dear krishna ji , I think he suits more to dhanus Navmsa with Ak budh in Navamsa lagna . he looks more good than rest of the family memebrs and got a air of royalty in all moves and mannerism.Very soft spoken guy . More inclined to venusian professions tho he was working in power sector b4(mostly ) .Which he always resigns after 3 or 6 mnths .Worked with ZEE TV also as manager .I dont know which dept . Now working with medias & entertainment and got a good connection with alva brothers (margaret alva s sons) ,( indian idol fame ) ,but i am not sure what way they r going to co operate.As some US invester also investing with alva comapny to make serials and may be own channel . he is in mumbai now.so lately six months hardly much connection . he is engineer and MBA in marketting .Voice is good ,but not into singing . Hope this helps

.. regrds sunil nair Om shreem mahalaxmai namah . , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote:>> Dear Sunil,> > 34 years means after Mer-Mer, definitely after the MD of Sat.> > Thanks for sharing some details about the native. If we have to decide which navamsha lagna is better for him, I need more details:> > Dhanu Navamsha could suit better if: The person has some artistic talents, has exceptionally good voice, good in maths, and has some writing skills.> > Makara lagna could suit better if: The person exhibits leadership qualities, adapts well and can take up any kind of work, is short

tempered, and is interested in martial arts.> > Since you know the person well, I am sure you will be able to give me a feedback on this.> > Regards,> Krishna> > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala wrote:> > Hare ramakrishna ,> dear krishna ji ,> Now i rememebr what sri K N rao without going much given his father one prediction in writing that his marriage after 34 will be stable one > > regrds sunil nair > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.> > > > , "sunil nair" astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> >> > > > > > > > Hare ramakrishna,> > > > dear Krishna ji ,> > > > > > > > I was not giving a chart which i got from .> > > > > > > > This

nativ belong to a highly affluent ,rich and political family and> > they r power brokers in the the delhi corridors .All the family is> > highly educated and wel placed .> > > > > > > > > > and i know each and every life incidents in this boys chart .> > > > > > > > only thing is that i am alone and i dont maitain a file for all kind of> > cases tho i am also reserch minded .> > > > > > > > all the biggest astrologers at the time of his birth tried to see his> > chart and tried to predict for him as his father is a blver of astrology> > .> > > > > > > > This includes B V raman ,his son and gayatri Vasu dev and also so man> > big gaints also including Pt .sanjay rath(very later ) .Also so many> > known and unknown pundits in North india

..> > > > > > > > Including many nadi astrologers of south ( not those who just nadi ola> > ( leaf ) readers ) .> > > > > > > > I always find his chart tallies with simha lagna only .> > > > > > > > His fathers humble begining to highest position in state of Madhya> > pradesh to his birth in a a brahmnin family as a 2nd son and till he get> > married comfortably was expalined by his simha lagna with various> > calculation.later he was selected to ( his father ) as chairman of one> > of the navaratna corporation of indian Govtment and now still under th> > pay rol of UN ,2 lacs dollars /per month as adviser .> > > > > > > > Do u think with virgo lagna and navamsa lagna in makar givs this effect> > ,forget abt other intricate higher amsa

s.> > > > > > > > > > > > I can disclose this much without their valid consent.> > > > > > > > so u can calculate now on that basis and i reserve my comments on what> > each astrologers predicted when the child was born ( their family keeps> > as record on each and every predictions also gives lot of dakshina to> > any one predicts .) .Since this boy is very close to me he has shown me> > reading of so many gr8 personalities in astro .> > > > > > > > > > > > regds sunil nair> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> > > > > > > > > > , Krishnamurthy> > Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sunil,>

> >> > > Different people look at the same thing with different perspectives.> > Though the reality reamins the same, reality appears different to> > different people based on their perspective. Now, whose perspective is> > correct? There is no objective answer to this. When something can not be> > objectively proven, belief steps in. There is no argument when it comes> > to someone's belief.> > >> > > Here, I am only sharing my perspective based on my experience (or lack> > of it). You are sharing your perspective based on your experience. It is> > possible that there could be difference in opinion as our expereinces> > are vastly different. At the same time, I am very thankful to you for> > sharing your perspective. It gives me something to chew on, something to> > ponder about. I will definitely think about what you are trying

to> > communicate.> > >> > > You gave an example chart, and asked if the event described could have> > been predicted based on my theory. Probably, not. I have two reasons for> > it:> > >> > > - I have proposed something based on identification of a pattern. It> > has to pass the test of many more charts. Once, I have sufficient number> > of samples (at least a 100), I can start predicting confidently. Till> > then, i will be in the process of validation. Sharing my finding with> > others is one way to get more and more charts to validate.> > >> > > - It is difficult to assess a chart when the lagna is in sandhi. We> > are never sure if we have taken the right lagna. In the example chart> > you have given, the lagna is in a sandhi between Leo and Virgo.> > >> > > Out of curiosity, I

just verified the chart with Virgo Lagna (the> > diff. in birth time will be about 3 min. 4 sec). This is what I have> > noticed:> > >> > > - UL lord Jupiter is in the Nakshatra of Moon> > > - Moon is afflicted by Rahu> > > - Rahu influences the UL lord Jupiter> > > - Saturn aspects UL lord Jupiter> > > - The incident you have described, most likely has taken place during> > Sat-Rahu period> > >> > > If you notice, this is exactly the combination that I have described> > in my write-up. Based on the event you have described, I tend to believe> > that the correct lagna for this native is Virgo.> > >> > > Thanks for sharing this chart.> > >> > > Regards,> > > Krishna> > >> > >> > >> > > sunil nair

astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > Hare ramakrishna,> > > dear krishna ji ,> > > Myself being an astrologer and being participated in so many > > grps many students thinking i know this UL methods when they find its> > not working in their charts they used to conct me and ask me for> > clearing the doubts .> > > So i find its some times working and some times not .if u see surya> > narayana rao ,Ps sastri and Pt sanjay rath and Kn rao each is arguing> > and trying to eastablish their arudha system is correct .same is the> > case with late C S patel .So that is the reason why i dropped it .> > > For example here is a chart 1st may 1970 at 15.03 PM jabal pur ,Madhya> > pradesh .This boy at the age of 27 or 29 .He find one girl in a dance> > party and fall in lov with her and married her >marriage happend in arya> >

samaj mandir and it was a secret marriage .Girl was below 17 years and> > it has given a hell of problems in his life and their rich and> > influencial family has to> > > pay lot of money to the girl to hush up the matter .> > > Here the mute point is UL is not influenced by any planet and UL lord> > is influenced by all planets we can say .> > > So what we can take it ,if we dont know the event or prior to the> > event how we can decipher it> > > Hope u understand .Being astrologer myself i am not after dry> > arguements any thing working is adoptable for me.> > >> > > regrds sunil nair> > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > , Krishnamurthy> > Seetharama krishna_1998@

wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Sunil,> > > >> > > > I am very happy to note that you could spare time to go through my> > work and to give your feedback on the same.> > > >> > > > Your observations about mixing systems is perfectly valid. I have my> > own reason for using the UL concept with Vimshottari dasha system. I> > would like to explian:> > > >> > > > I would like to point out that I have observed UL/UL lord concept to> > be resonating well with Vimshottari dasha and events in life.> > "Difference in age of spouse" is not the only area that I found UL to be> > useful. I am working on another area where UL/UL lord concept again> > works very well with the rest of the chart and resonates well with> > Vishottari dasha system. That is the reason I chose to present what

I> > presented. I need to explore further on couple of more areas in life> > with respect to UL and vimshottari before I can take a very strong stand> > on the same.> > > >> > > > At the same time, I am listening to your words of caution about> > mixing two systems. I would like to clarify that mixing different> > systems is neither my goal and nor I am enjoy doing it. I understand> > that I could easily lose my way if I pursue it blindly. I am taking a> > cautious approach.> > > >> > > > And, you are right that the sample size has to be much bigger to> > confirm a pattern. In whatever I have published so far, the sameple size> > that I have tried out would be at least double that of the number of> > examples I quote in my write-ups. Yet, I understand it is not big> > enough. At the same time, I feel

what I am observing is not> > coincidental. There has to be some truth in what I have been observing.> > What I have presented may undergo some change with a much bigger sample> > size. And, at the same time, I believe it can not be brushed away as> > irrelevant. I will continue to validate my hypothesis with each new case> > I come across. In fact, I am doing it on most theories I have published> > till now. I have not had single new case fail so far for the diabetes> > combination I have presented. Touch wood...> > > >> > > > Again, many thanks to your comment and friendly words of caution.> > > >> > > > Regards,> > > > Krishna> > > >> > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Hare ramakrishna,> > > > dear Krishna .> >

> >> > > > first of let me thank u for ur new year greetings .> > > >> > > > And now i will come to the point ,tho u r reserch is valid ,i hav> > few suggestions .> > > >> > > > One is we shud use rasi graha,significator methods and we shud not> > mix what is known as jaimini with parasari ( tho its not so -but i dont> > know any other name to specify it ) .As we r concentrating now rishi> > hora scheme here .And in jaimini still lot of unidentified areas and 2> > or 3 line of schools and each is telling their view is correct .And> > being our life is small and simple we can not work out on each and every> > claim in scientific way and then accept or reject it .> > > >> > > > we shud use only one dasa scheme with what ever rasi and amsa charts> > applicable .(tho u r using vim

dasa here )> > > >> > > > here i find u u r mixing methods ,so finaly we will be no where ,tho> > i am not telling u r wrong .> > > >> > > > Another thing is celebrity charts and its validity ,no way we can> > double check it .> > > >> > > > so in a reserch u shud hav some 100 charts with some set of rules> > and elimination and additions we shud start from there .Tho absence of> > public participation we cannot collect it ,ourself in short time .> > > >> > > > if u want then u can use other dasa schemes or method of arudha like> > that .> > > > But we shud seperate it with each other and publish each obseravtion> > seperately .> > > >> > > > Now coming to 9 planet 12 rasi scheme ,we hav some set of rules> > > >> >

> > 7thlord ,its strenght and yogas ,its navamsa laord and its strenght> > and yogas ,also 7th rasi sphutta ( degree ) navamsa and its strenght and> > yogas .> > > >> > > > same way we can see influnce in 7th house also karaka> > > >> > > > general marriage karaka venus and for males strree karaka is also> > venus> > > >> > > > But here i hav a devaitive thinking for husband karaka for ladies ,i> > think we can take mars here .as in KP ( kala purusha which starts with> > mesha lagna ) 7th form 7th for ( ladies we hav to take this way ) is> > martian sign .So i think and i suggest let us take a different spouce> > karaka (karaka for husband ) for ladies for fine tuning .along with> > venus as marriage karaka,tho traditionaly some says jup is karaka for> > husband .Esp in north india

..> > > >> > > > and now if u see the influnces and tatwas and planets along with> > other can mute the effects like sani ,rahu ,ketu ( as this may show> > older ) and planets like moon and merc ( as they r showing may younger )> > shud be taken into consideration> > > >> > > > otherwise absence of 100s valid verified charts ,our reserch will be> > a futile exercise .> > > >> > > > Its my humble opinion ,even that is the reason i remain silent when> > u posted the first reserch for first time .> > > >> > > > hope u understand my concerns and i expect all memebrs opinions on> > it .Also other scholarly gurus in this group can correct my thinking .> > > >> > > >> > > > thanks and regrds> > > >> > > >> >

> > sunil nair> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > , Krishnamurthy> > Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear All,> > > > >> > > > > I wish you all A HAPPY AND PROSPEROUS NEW YEAR!> > > > >> > > > > I was able to locate the birth details of Rupert Murdoch and Anna> > Murdoch. To my delight, I could see the same combinations in their> > charts, that I have presented earlier for people who marry with big age> > difference. Rupert married Anna who is 13 years younger to him, next he> > married a Chinese lady who is 38 years younger to him! Anna, after> > divorcing Rupert married a man who is 27 years older than

her!> > > > >> > > > > I have updated my ariticle in my blog by adding this example. You> > may go through the same at http://astrokrishna .blogspot. com> > > > >> > > > > Regards,> > > > > Krishna> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with > > Search.> > > >> > >> > >> > >> >

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January 3, 2008

Hare ramakrishna,

dear haresh nathani ,

Now u r dancing around and putting words in some ones mouth.

I request u to go tru all treads and come out with correct opions.

regrds sunil nair .

om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

, "Haresh \(Harry\) Nathani" <haresh1405 wrote:>> Dear Sreenadji> > I fail to understand when something which is technically correct is said u people make a noise about it. Pls tell me that is sun karak for marraige. Sun is the king of planets & why would the king get involved in marraiges & all.> > If the president or prime minister has given responsibility to various ministers why would he get involved in that ministry. Thus if guru & venus have the dept of marraige where is the question of sun getting involved in it. Hence surya cannot be karak for marraige. > > Harry> > Sreenadh sreesog wrote:> Dear Harry ji,> Lol....! Don't try to teach the squirrel to climb the tree... :) Sunil ji is a very knowledgeable and practical astrology with many years of experience and vast knowledge. Do you think he does not know who is that he does not know the nursery lesson 'which is the significator of husband/wife or man/women?' Lol..... ) What happened to you? Just check the previous mails and have a basic understanding about the knowledge level and understanding of the people who are participating in the discussion in this group - they are NOT kids; but it seems that you are yet to understand them and their level of understanding. > Note: Dear Haryy ji, no offence intended. I just felt a strong laugh (a wave of fun) when I read you mail trying to teach the squirrel the lessons on climbing the tree... ) - that is why this mail. Enjoy! > Love and regards,> Sreenadh > > , "Haresh \(Harry\) Nathani" haresh1405@ wrote:> >> > Dear Nairaji> > > > Pls note that karaka for womens marraige is jupiter & for men it is venus.> > > > Harry> > Vedic Astrologer> > Cell +91 9867214103 > >> > > > > > > > With Warm Regards> > Haresh(Harry)Nathani> > Vedic Astologer> > Cell +91 98672 14103 > > (Mumbai,India)> > > > Why delete messages? Unlimited storage is just a click away.>

January 3, 2008

Dear Harry,

For Cancer Lagna, Sun is the Functional

Karak for marriage. It is the 2nd lord. In kalpurush chart, Venus

is 2nd lord so its Karak for marriage i.e Natural Karak.

So sun can become Functional Karak for

marriage. It is natural karak for Authority i.e. 5th lord in

Kalpurush chart and 5th is Karak for 10th house which is

Authority.

Venus is 7th lord in kalpurush

chart, so its Karak for 12th house which is enjoyments as well. Sun

for Aquarius lagna can become karak for enjoyments as well.

Guru is the karak of 2nd house

and 2nd house is the karak for 7th house. Sagittarius is

the natural 9th lord in kalpurush chart and its karak for Taurus

i.e. Venus.

If one is clear about natural and

functional karak things will become clear.

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

On Behalf Of Haresh (Harry) Nathani

Thursday January 3, 2008

9:45 AM

Re:

Re: Marriying younger or older spouce -reserch of

krishna

Dear Sreenadji

I fail to understand when something which is technically correct is

said u people make a noise about it. Pls tell me that is sun karak for

marraige. Sun is the king of planets & why would the king get involved in

marraiges & all.

If the president or prime minister has given responsibility to various

ministers why would he get involved in that ministry. Thus if guru & venus

have the dept of marraige where is the question of sun getting involved in it. Hence

surya cannot be karak for marraige.

Harry

Sreenadh

<sreesog > wrote:

Dear Harry ji,

Lol....! Don't try to teach the squirrel to climb the tree... :)

Sunil ji is a very knowledgeable and practical astrology with many years of

experience and vast knowledge. Do you think he does not know who is

that he does not know the nursery lesson 'which is the significator of

husband/wife or man/women?' Lol..... ) What happened to you? Just

check the previous mails and have a basic understanding about

the knowledge level and understanding of the people who are participating

in the discussion in this group - they are NOT kids; but it seems that you

are yet to understand them and their level of understanding.

Note: Dear Haryy ji, no offence intended. I just felt a strong laugh (a

wave of fun) when I read you mail trying to teach the squirrel the lessons on

climbing the tree... ) - that is why this mail. Enjoy!

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

,

" Haresh \(Harry\) Nathani " <haresh1405 wrote:

>

> Dear Nairaji

>

> Pls note that karaka for womens marraige is jupiter & for men it is

venus.

>

> Harry

> Vedic Astrologer

> Cell +91 9867214103

>

With Warm Regards

Haresh(Harry)Nathani

Vedic Astologer

Cell +91

98672 14103

(Mumbai,India)

Why delete messages? Unlimited storage is just

a click away.

January 3, 2008

hare ramakrishna,

dear krishna ,

I rememebr the agreement ,but its some natural way i put ji in frnd of names as it becomes a practise.

AK i simply used ,its one of the pointers ,AK in 12th i dont know much as i dont see that great results .

His family is good only b4 also in between they go down and his birth triggered every thing.

His grand father was a principal in madras layola college ,u remeber madras was supposed to be a centre of highest english education those days ,but his untimely death has affected their family .

I used humble begining is his fathers low start in jobs and then sudden rise and then all apptmt was political .

AK in 12th i hardly seeing it effects tho it may giv some status .I know even some one has this even in our grp and they r not very rich or very comfortable .

I hav lot of other calculations including lagna degrees ( its nadi based) ,But i i used this AK ( 7 karaka ) only to attract ur attention .

I told u his body more like jupiterian traits ( as dhanus is also a royal sign ) than saturnian .

Kids i think his wife may be pregnant this time( more sure from may on wards ) ,but needs confirmation .Till now they were in planning .

hope this helps

regrds sunil nair

om shreem maha laxmai namah.

, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote:>> Dear Sunil,> > You are breaking your agreement to drop 'ji' when you address me :-)> > Normally, I don't check Ak in a chart. I am not used to it that much. But, since you mentioned it, I started looking at it as to why you feel Ak in lagnamsha is a better placement. What I understand is Ak in lagnamsha indicates birth in a royal family of noble lineage. In one of your earlier messages you have mentioned that his father is from a humble brahmin family. They might have got rich/powerful after his birth. Actually, when Ak placed at 12th from lagnamsha the native becomes very rich and blessed by lakshmi. Please give your opinion/clarification on this matter.> > Also, please give me some info on his children.> > Regards,> Krishna> > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala wrote:> > Hare ramakrishna,> dear krishna ji ,> > I think he suits more to dhanus Navmsa with Ak budh in Navamsa lagna .> > he looks more good than rest of the family memebrs and got a air of royalty in all moves and mannerism.Very soft spoken guy .> > More inclined to venusian professions tho he was working in power sector b4(mostly ) .Which he always resigns after 3 or 6 mnths .Worked with ZEE TV also as manager .I dont know which dept .> > Now working with medias & entertainment and got a good connection with alva brothers (margaret alva s sons) ,( indian idol fame ) ,but i am not sure what way they r going to co operate.As some US invester also investing with alva comapny to make serials and may be own channel .> > he is in mumbai now.so lately six months hardly much connection .> > he is engineer and MBA in marketting .Voice is good ,but not into singing .> > Hope this helps .> regrds sunil nair > Om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> > > > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote:> >> > Dear Sunil,> > > > 34 years means after Mer-Mer, definitely after the MD of Sat.> > > > Thanks for sharing some details about the native. If we have to decide which navamsha lagna is better for him, I need more details:> > > > Dhanu Navamsha could suit better if: The person has some artistic talents, has exceptionally good voice, good in maths, and has some writing skills.> > > > Makara lagna could suit better if: The person exhibits leadership qualities, adapts well and can take up any kind of work, is short tempered, and is interested in martial arts.> > > > Since you know the person well, I am sure you will be able to give me a feedback on this.> > > > Regards,> > Krishna> > > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > Hare ramakrishna ,> > dear krishna ji ,> > Now i rememebr what sri K N rao without going much given his father one prediction in writing that his marriage after 34 will be stable one > > > > regrds sunil nair > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.> > > > > > > > , "sunil nair" astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Hare ramakrishna,> > > > > > dear Krishna ji ,> > > > > > > > > > > > I was not giving a chart which i got from .> > > > > > > > > > > > This nativ belong to a highly affluent ,rich and political family and> > > they r power brokers in the the delhi corridors .All the family is> > > highly educated and wel placed .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and i know each and every life incidents in this boys chart .> > > > > > > > > > > > only thing is that i am alone and i dont maitain a file for all kind of> > > cases tho i am also reserch minded .> > > > > > > > > > > > all the biggest astrologers at the time of his birth tried to see his> > > chart and tried to predict for him as his father is a blver of astrology> > > .> > > > > > > > > > > > This includes B V raman ,his son and gayatri Vasu dev and also so man> > > big gaints also including Pt .sanjay rath(very later ) .Also so many> > > known and unknown pundits in North india .> > > > > > > > > > > > Including many nadi astrologers of south ( not those who just nadi ola> > > ( leaf ) readers ) .> > > > > > > > > > > > I always find his chart tallies with simha lagna only .> > > > > > > > > > > > His fathers humble begining to highest position in state of Madhya> > > pradesh to his birth in a a brahmnin family as a 2nd son and till he get> > > married comfortably was expalined by his simha lagna with various> > > calculation.later he was selected to ( his father ) as chairman of one> > > of the navaratna corporation of indian Govtment and now still under th> > > pay rol of UN ,2 lacs dollars /per month as adviser .> > > > > > > > > > > > Do u think with virgo lagna and navamsa lagna in makar givs this effect> > > ,forget abt other intricate higher amsa s.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can disclose this much without their valid consent.> > > > > > > > > > > > so u can calculate now on that basis and i reserve my comments on what> > > each astrologers predicted when the child was born ( their family keeps> > > as record on each and every predictions also gives lot of dakshina to> > > any one predicts .) .Since this boy is very close to me he has shown me> > > reading of so many gr8 personalities in astro .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds sunil nair> > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Krishnamurthy> > > Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Sunil,> > > >> > > > Different people look at the same thing with different perspectives.> > > Though the reality reamins the same, reality appears different to> > > different people based on their perspective. Now, whose perspective is> > > correct? There is no objective answer to this. When something can not be> > > objectively proven, belief steps in. There is no argument when it comes> > > to someone's belief.> > > >> > > > Here, I am only sharing my perspective based on my experience (or lack> > > of it). You are sharing your perspective based on your experience. It is> > > possible that there could be difference in opinion as our expereinces> > > are vastly different. At the same time, I am very thankful to you for> > > sharing your perspective. It gives me something to chew on, something to> > > ponder about. I will definitely think about what you are trying to> > > communicate.> > > >> > > > You gave an example chart, and asked if the event described could have> > > been predicted based on my theory. Probably, not. I have two reasons for> > > it:> > > >> > > > - I have proposed something based on identification of a pattern. It> > > has to pass the test of many more charts. Once, I have sufficient number> > > of samples (at least a 100), I can start predicting confidently. Till> > > then, i will be in the process of validation. Sharing my finding with> > > others is one way to get more and more charts to validate.> > > >> > > > - It is difficult to assess a chart when the lagna is in sandhi. We> > > are never sure if we have taken the right lagna. In the example chart> > > you have given, the lagna is in a sandhi between Leo and Virgo.> > > >> > > > Out of curiosity, I just verified the chart with Virgo Lagna (the> > > diff. in birth time will be about 3 min. 4 sec). This is what I have> > > noticed:> > > >> > > > - UL lord Jupiter is in the Nakshatra of Moon> > > > - Moon is afflicted by Rahu> > > > - Rahu influences the UL lord Jupiter> > > > - Saturn aspects UL lord Jupiter> > > > - The incident you have described, most likely has taken place during> > > Sat-Rahu period> > > >> > > > If you notice, this is exactly the combination that I have described> > > in my write-up. Based on the event you have described, I tend to believe> > > that the correct lagna for this native is Virgo.> > > >> > > > Thanks for sharing this chart.> > > >> > > > Regards,> > > > Krishna> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > Hare ramakrishna,> > > > dear krishna ji ,> > > > Myself being an astrologer and being participated in so many > > > grps many students thinking i know this UL methods when they find its> > > not working in their charts they used to conct me and ask me for> > > clearing the doubts .> > > > So i find its some times working and some times not .if u see surya> > > narayana rao ,Ps sastri and Pt sanjay rath and Kn rao each is arguing> > > and trying to eastablish their arudha system is correct .same is the> > > case with late C S patel .So that is the reason why i dropped it .> > > > For example here is a chart 1st may 1970 at 15.03 PM jabal pur ,Madhya> > > pradesh .This boy at the age of 27 or 29 .He find one girl in a dance> > > party and fall in lov with her and married her >marriage happend in arya> > > samaj mandir and it was a secret marriage .Girl was below 17 years and> > > it has given a hell of problems in his life and their rich and> > > influencial family has to> > > > pay lot of money to the girl to hush up the matter .> > > > Here the mute point is UL is not influenced by any planet and UL lord> > > is influenced by all planets we can say .> > > > So what we can take it ,if we dont know the event or prior to the> > > event how we can decipher it> > > > Hope u understand .Being astrologer myself i am not after dry> > > arguements any thing working is adoptable for me.> > > >> > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > , Krishnamurthy> > > Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sunil,> > > > >> > > > > I am very happy to note that you could spare time to go through my> > > work and to give your feedback on the same.> > > > >> > > > > Your observations about mixing systems is perfectly valid. I have my> > > own reason for using the UL concept with Vimshottari dasha system. I> > > would like to explian:> > > > >> > > > > I would like to point out that I have observed UL/UL lord concept to> > > be resonating well with Vimshottari dasha and events in life.> > > "Difference in age of spouse" is not the only area that I found UL to be> > > useful. I am working on another area where UL/UL lord concept again> > > works very well with the rest of the chart and resonates well with> > > Vishottari dasha system. That is the reason I chose to present what I> > > presented. I need to explore further on couple of more areas in life> > > with respect to UL and vimshottari before I can take a very strong stand> > > on the same.> > > > >> > > > > At the same time, I am listening to your words of caution about> > > mixing two systems. I would like to clarify that mixing different> > > systems is neither my goal and nor I am enjoy doing it. I understand> > > that I could easily lose my way if I pursue it blindly. I am taking a> > > cautious approach.> > > > >> > > > > And, you are right that the sample size has to be much bigger to> > > confirm a pattern. In whatever I have published so far, the sameple size> > > that I have tried out would be at least double that of the number of> > > examples I quote in my write-ups. Yet, I understand it is not big> > > enough. At the same time, I feel what I am observing is not> > > coincidental. There has to be some truth in what I have been observing.> > > What I have presented may undergo some change with a much bigger sample> > > size. And, at the same time, I believe it can not be brushed away as> > > irrelevant. I will continue to validate my hypothesis with each new case> > > I come across. In fact, I am doing it on most theories I have published> > > till now. I have not had single new case fail so far for the diabetes> > > combination I have presented. Touch wood...> > > > >> > > > > Again, many thanks to your comment and friendly words of caution.> > > > >> > > > > Regards,> > > > > Krishna> > > > >> > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Hare ramakrishna,> > > > > dear Krishna .> > > > >> > > > > first of let me thank u for ur new year greetings .> > > > >> > > > > And now i will come to the point ,tho u r reserch is valid ,i hav> > > few suggestions .> > > > >> > > > > One is we shud use rasi graha,significator methods and we shud not> > > mix what is known as jaimini with parasari ( tho its not so -but i dont> > > know any other name to specify it ) .As we r concentrating now rishi> > > hora scheme here .And in jaimini still lot of unidentified areas and 2> > > or 3 line of schools and each is telling their view is correct .And> > > being our life is small and simple we can not work out on each and every> > > claim in scientific way and then accept or reject it .> > > > >> > > > > we shud use only one dasa scheme with what ever rasi and amsa charts> > > applicable .(tho u r using vim dasa here )> > > > >> > > > > here i find u u r mixing methods ,so finaly we will be no where ,tho> > > i am not telling u r wrong .> > > > >> > > > > Another thing is celebrity charts and its validity ,no way we can> > > double check it .> > > > >> > > > > so in a reserch u shud hav some 100 charts with some set of rules> > > and elimination and additions we shud start from there .Tho absence of> > > public participation we cannot collect it ,ourself in short time .> > > > >> > > > > if u want then u can use other dasa schemes or method of arudha like> > > that .> > > > > But we shud seperate it with each other and publish each obseravtion> > > seperately .> > > > >> > > > > Now coming to 9 planet 12 rasi scheme ,we hav some set of rules> > > > >> > > > > 7thlord ,its strenght and yogas ,its navamsa laord and its strenght> > > and yogas ,also 7th rasi sphutta ( degree ) navamsa and its strenght and> > > yogas .> > > > >> > > > > same way we can see influnce in 7th house also karaka> > > > >> > > > > general marriage karaka venus and for males strree karaka is also> > > venus> > > > >> > > > > But here i hav a devaitive thinking for husband karaka for ladies ,i> > > think we can take mars here .as in KP ( kala purusha which starts with> > > mesha lagna ) 7th form 7th for ( ladies we hav to take this way ) is> > > martian sign .So i think and i suggest let us take a different spouce> > > karaka (karaka for husband ) for ladies for fine tuning .along with> > > venus as marriage karaka,tho traditionaly some says jup is karaka for> > > husband .Esp in north india .> > > > >> > > > > and now if u see the influnces and tatwas and planets along with> > > other can mute the effects like sani ,rahu ,ketu ( as this may show> > > older ) and planets like moon and merc ( as they r showing may younger )> > > shud be taken into consideration> > > > >> > > > > otherwise absence of 100s valid verified charts ,our reserch will be> > > a futile exercise .> > > > >> > > > > Its my humble opinion ,even that is the reason i remain silent when> > > u posted the first reserch for first time .> > > > >> > > > > hope u understand my concerns and i expect all memebrs opinions on> > > it .Also other scholarly gurus in this group can correct my thinking .> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > thanks and regrds> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > sunil nair> > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > , Krishnamurthy> > > Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear All,> > > > > >> > > > > > I wish you all A HAPPY AND PROSPEROUS NEW YEAR!> > > > > >> > > > > > I was able to locate the birth details of Rupert Murdoch and Anna> > > Murdoch. To my delight, I could see the same combinations in their> > > charts, that I have presented earlier for people who marry with big age> > > difference. Rupert married Anna who is 13 years younger to him, next he> > > married a Chinese lady who is 38 years younger to him! Anna, after> > > divorcing Rupert married a man who is 27 years older than her!> > > > > >> > > > > > I have updated my ariticle in my blog by adding this example. You> > > may go through the same at http://astrokrishna .blogspot. com> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > Krishna> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with > > > Search.> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try> > > it now.> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.> >> > > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now.>

January 4, 2008

Gentlemen,

What I had meant was that the Sun can also act as a switch, the missing ingridient in a potent mixture, here the UNION between a woman and a man. Like the moon transit over a potent mixture sometimes triggers off an event like an acciedent, an assasination etc. does not mean that moon is karaka for such events.

Also in my humble observations no karya, good or bad sampann without aspect of Saturn be it rags to riches or vice-versa and even marriage. Hold on to your guns. The Saturn example is true especially for people who have 7th house aspected by Saturn in the Birth Chart. However Saturn is not karaka of marriage at least positively.

OK. Now everybody can shoot.--- On Thu, 3/1/08, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala wrote:

sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala Re: Marriying younger or older spouce -reserch of krishna Date: Thursday, 3 January, 2008, 10:37 PM

Hare ramakrishna,

dear haresh nathani ,

Now u r dancing around and putting words in some ones mouth.

I request u to go tru all treads and come out with correct opions.

regrds sunil nair .

om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

ancient_indian_ astrology, "Haresh \(Harry\) Nathani" <haresh1405@. ..> wrote:>> Dear Sreenadji> > I fail to understand when something which is technically correct is said u people make a noise about it. Pls tell me that is sun karak for marraige. Sun is the king of planets & why would the king get involved in marraiges & all.> > If the president or prime minister has given responsibility to various ministers why would he get involved in that ministry. Thus if guru & venus have the dept of marraige where is the question of sun getting involved in it. Hence surya cannot be karak for marraige. > > Harry> > Sreenadh sreesog. wrote:> Dear Harry ji,> Lol....! Don't try to teach the squirrel to climb the tree... :) Sunil ji is a very knowledgeable and practical astrology with many years of experience and vast knowledge. Do

you think he does not know who is that he does not know the nursery lesson 'which is the significator of husband/wife or man/women?' Lol..... ) What happened to you? Just check the previous mails and have a basic understanding about the knowledge level and understanding of the people who are participating in the discussion in this group - they are NOT kids; but it seems that you are yet to understand them and their level of understanding. > Note: Dear Haryy ji, no offence intended. I just felt a strong laugh (a wave of fun) when I read you mail trying to teach the squirrel the lessons on climbing the tree... ) - that is why this mail. Enjoy! > Love and regards,> Sreenadh > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Haresh \(Harry\) Nathani" haresh1405@ wrote:> >> > Dear Nairaji> > > > Pls note that karaka for womens marraige is jupiter & for men it is

venus.> > > > Harry> > Vedic Astrologer> > Cell +91 9867214103 > >> > > > > > > > With Warm Regards> > Haresh(Harry) Nathani> > Vedic Astologer> > Cell +91 98672 14103 > > (Mumbai,India)> > > ------------ --------- --------- ---> Why delete messages? Unlimited storage is just a click away.>

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January 4, 2008

Dear Sunil, For judging the body type, I thought lagna in Rasi is more important. You seem to give lot of importance of navamsha lagna alone. Why is this? Regards, Krishnasunil nair <astro_tellerkerala wrote: hare ramakrishna, dear krishna , I

rememebr the agreement ,but its some natural way i put ji in frnd of names as it becomes a practise. AK i simply used ,its one of the pointers ,AK in 12th i dont know much as i dont see that great results . His family is good only b4 also in between they go down and his birth triggered every thing. His grand father was a principal in madras layola college ,u remeber madras was supposed to be a centre of highest english education those days ,but his untimely death has affected their family . I used humble begining is his fathers low start in jobs and then sudden rise and then all apptmt was political . AK in 12th i hardly seeing it effects tho it may giv some status .I know even some one has this even in our grp and they r not very rich or very comfortable . I hav lot of other calculations including lagna degrees ( its nadi based) ,But i i used this AK ( 7 karaka ) only to attract ur attention . I told u his body more like jupiterian traits ( as dhanus is also a royal sign ) than saturnian . Kids i think his wife may be pregnant this time( more sure from may on wards ) ,but needs confirmation .Till now they were in planning . hope this helps regrds sunil nair om shreem maha laxmai namah. , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote:>>

Dear Sunil,> > You are breaking your agreement to drop 'ji' when you address me :-)> > Normally, I don't check Ak in a chart. I am not used to it that much. But, since you mentioned it, I started looking at it as to why you feel Ak in lagnamsha is a better placement. What I understand is Ak in lagnamsha indicates birth in a royal family of noble lineage. In one of your earlier messages you have mentioned that his father is from a humble brahmin family. They might have got rich/powerful after his birth. Actually, when Ak placed at 12th from lagnamsha the native becomes very rich and blessed by lakshmi. Please give your opinion/clarification on this matter.> > Also, please give me some info on his children.> > Regards,> Krishna> > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala wrote:> > Hare ramakrishna,> dear krishna ji ,> > I think he suits more to dhanus Navmsa

with Ak budh in Navamsa lagna .> > he looks more good than rest of the family memebrs and got a air of royalty in all moves and mannerism.Very soft spoken guy .> > More inclined to venusian professions tho he was working in power sector b4(mostly ) .Which he always resigns after 3 or 6 mnths .Worked with ZEE TV also as manager .I dont know which dept .> > Now working with medias & entertainment and got a good connection with alva brothers (margaret alva s sons) ,( indian idol fame ) ,but i am not sure what way they r going to co operate.As some US invester also investing with alva comapny to make serials and may be own channel .> > he is in mumbai now.so lately six months hardly much connection .> > he is engineer and MBA in marketting .Voice is good ,but not into singing .> > Hope this helps .> regrds sunil nair > Om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> > >

> > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote:> >> > Dear Sunil,> > > > 34 years means after Mer-Mer, definitely after the MD of Sat.> > > > Thanks for sharing some details about the native. If we have to decide which navamsha lagna is better for him, I need more details:> > > > Dhanu Navamsha could suit better if: The person has some artistic talents, has exceptionally good voice, good in maths, and has some writing skills.> > > > Makara lagna could suit better if: The person exhibits leadership qualities, adapts well and can take up any kind of work, is short tempered, and is interested in martial arts.> > > > Since you know the person well, I am sure you will be able to give me a feedback on this.> > > > Regards,> > Krishna> >

> > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > Hare ramakrishna ,> > dear krishna ji ,> > Now i rememebr what sri K N rao without going much given his father one prediction in writing that his marriage after 34 will be stable one > > > > regrds sunil nair > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.> > > > > > > > , "sunil nair" astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Hare ramakrishna,> > > > > > dear Krishna ji ,> > > > > > > > > > > > I was not giving a chart which i got from .> > > > > > > > > > > > This nativ belong to a highly affluent ,rich and political family and>

> > they r power brokers in the the delhi corridors .All the family is> > > highly educated and wel placed .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and i know each and every life incidents in this boys chart .> > > > > > > > > > > > only thing is that i am alone and i dont maitain a file for all kind of> > > cases tho i am also reserch minded .> > > > > > > > > > > > all the biggest astrologers at the time of his birth tried to see his> > > chart and tried to predict for him as his father is a blver of astrology> > > .> > > > > > > > > > > > This includes B V raman ,his son and gayatri Vasu dev and also so man> > > big gaints also including Pt .sanjay rath(very later ) .Also so many> >

> known and unknown pundits in North india .> > > > > > > > > > > > Including many nadi astrologers of south ( not those who just nadi ola> > > ( leaf ) readers ) .> > > > > > > > > > > > I always find his chart tallies with simha lagna only .> > > > > > > > > > > > His fathers humble begining to highest position in state of Madhya> > > pradesh to his birth in a a brahmnin family as a 2nd son and till he get> > > married comfortably was expalined by his simha lagna with various> > > calculation.later he was selected to ( his father ) as chairman of one> > > of the navaratna corporation of indian Govtment and now still under th> > > pay rol of UN ,2 lacs dollars /per month as adviser .> > > > > > > >

> > > > Do u think with virgo lagna and navamsa lagna in makar givs this effect> > > ,forget abt other intricate higher amsa s.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can disclose this much without their valid consent.> > > > > > > > > > > > so u can calculate now on that basis and i reserve my comments on what> > > each astrologers predicted when the child was born ( their family keeps> > > as record on each and every predictions also gives lot of dakshina to> > > any one predicts .) .Since this boy is very close to me he has shown me> > > reading of so many gr8 personalities in astro .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds sunil nair> > > > > > om shreem

mahalaxmai namah .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Krishnamurthy> > > Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Sunil,> > > >> > > > Different people look at the same thing with different perspectives.> > > Though the reality reamins the same, reality appears different to> > > different people based on their perspective. Now, whose perspective is> > > correct? There is no objective answer to this. When something can not be> > > objectively proven, belief steps in. There is no argument when it comes> > > to someone's belief.> > > >> > > > Here, I am only sharing my perspective based on my experience (or lack> > > of it). You are sharing your perspective

based on your experience. It is> > > possible that there could be difference in opinion as our expereinces> > > are vastly different. At the same time, I am very thankful to you for> > > sharing your perspective. It gives me something to chew on, something to> > > ponder about. I will definitely think about what you are trying to> > > communicate.> > > >> > > > You gave an example chart, and asked if the event described could have> > > been predicted based on my theory. Probably, not. I have two reasons for> > > it:> > > >> > > > - I have proposed something based on identification of a pattern. It> > > has to pass the test of many more charts. Once, I have sufficient number> > > of samples (at least a 100), I can start predicting confidently. Till> > > then, i will be in the process

of validation. Sharing my finding with> > > others is one way to get more and more charts to validate.> > > >> > > > - It is difficult to assess a chart when the lagna is in sandhi. We> > > are never sure if we have taken the right lagna. In the example chart> > > you have given, the lagna is in a sandhi between Leo and Virgo.> > > >> > > > Out of curiosity, I just verified the chart with Virgo Lagna (the> > > diff. in birth time will be about 3 min. 4 sec). This is what I have> > > noticed:> > > >> > > > - UL lord Jupiter is in the Nakshatra of Moon> > > > - Moon is afflicted by Rahu> > > > - Rahu influences the UL lord Jupiter> > > > - Saturn aspects UL lord Jupiter> > > > - The incident you have described, most likely has taken place during>

> > Sat-Rahu period> > > >> > > > If you notice, this is exactly the combination that I have described> > > in my write-up. Based on the event you have described, I tend to believe> > > that the correct lagna for this native is Virgo.> > > >> > > > Thanks for sharing this chart.> > > >> > > > Regards,> > > > Krishna> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > Hare ramakrishna,> > > > dear krishna ji ,> > > > Myself being an astrologer and being participated in so many > > > grps many students thinking i know this UL methods when they find its> > > not working in their charts they used to conct me and ask me for> > > clearing the doubts .> >

> > So i find its some times working and some times not .if u see surya> > > narayana rao ,Ps sastri and Pt sanjay rath and Kn rao each is arguing> > > and trying to eastablish their arudha system is correct .same is the> > > case with late C S patel .So that is the reason why i dropped it .> > > > For example here is a chart 1st may 1970 at 15.03 PM jabal pur ,Madhya> > > pradesh .This boy at the age of 27 or 29 .He find one girl in a dance> > > party and fall in lov with her and married her >marriage happend in arya> > > samaj mandir and it was a secret marriage .Girl was below 17 years and> > > it has given a hell of problems in his life and their rich and> > > influencial family has to> > > > pay lot of money to the girl to hush up the matter .> > > > Here the mute point is UL is not influenced by any planet

and UL lord> > > is influenced by all planets we can say .> > > > So what we can take it ,if we dont know the event or prior to the> > > event how we can decipher it> > > > Hope u understand .Being astrologer myself i am not after dry> > > arguements any thing working is adoptable for me.> > > >> > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > , Krishnamurthy> > > Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sunil,> > > > >> > > > > I am very happy to note that you could spare time to go through my> > > work and to give your feedback on the same.> >

> > >> > > > > Your observations about mixing systems is perfectly valid. I have my> > > own reason for using the UL concept with Vimshottari dasha system. I> > > would like to explian:> > > > >> > > > > I would like to point out that I have observed UL/UL lord concept to> > > be resonating well with Vimshottari dasha and events in life.> > > "Difference in age of spouse" is not the only area that I found UL to be> > > useful. I am working on another area where UL/UL lord concept again> > > works very well with the rest of the chart and resonates well with> > > Vishottari dasha system. That is the reason I chose to present what I> > > presented. I need to explore further on couple of more areas in life> > > with respect to UL and vimshottari before I can take a very strong stand> >

> on the same.> > > > >> > > > > At the same time, I am listening to your words of caution about> > > mixing two systems. I would like to clarify that mixing different> > > systems is neither my goal and nor I am enjoy doing it. I understand> > > that I could easily lose my way if I pursue it blindly. I am taking a> > > cautious approach.> > > > >> > > > > And, you are right that the sample size has to be much bigger to> > > confirm a pattern. In whatever I have published so far, the sameple size> > > that I have tried out would be at least double that of the number of> > > examples I quote in my write-ups. Yet, I understand it is not big> > > enough. At the same time, I feel what I am observing is not> > > coincidental. There has to be some truth in what I have been

observing.> > > What I have presented may undergo some change with a much bigger sample> > > size. And, at the same time, I believe it can not be brushed away as> > > irrelevant. I will continue to validate my hypothesis with each new case> > > I come across. In fact, I am doing it on most theories I have published> > > till now. I have not had single new case fail so far for the diabetes> > > combination I have presented. Touch wood...> > > > >> > > > > Again, many thanks to your comment and friendly words of caution.> > > > >> > > > > Regards,> > > > > Krishna> > > > >> > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Hare ramakrishna,> > > > > dear Krishna .> > > >

>> > > > > first of let me thank u for ur new year greetings .> > > > >> > > > > And now i will come to the point ,tho u r reserch is valid ,i hav> > > few suggestions .> > > > >> > > > > One is we shud use rasi graha,significator methods and we shud not> > > mix what is known as jaimini with parasari ( tho its not so -but i dont> > > know any other name to specify it ) .As we r concentrating now rishi> > > hora scheme here .And in jaimini still lot of unidentified areas and 2> > > or 3 line of schools and each is telling their view is correct .And> > > being our life is small and simple we can not work out on each and every> > > claim in scientific way and then accept or reject it .> > > > >> > > > > we shud use only one dasa scheme with what ever

rasi and amsa charts> > > applicable .(tho u r using vim dasa here )> > > > >> > > > > here i find u u r mixing methods ,so finaly we will be no where ,tho> > > i am not telling u r wrong .> > > > >> > > > > Another thing is celebrity charts and its validity ,no way we can> > > double check it .> > > > >> > > > > so in a reserch u shud hav some 100 charts with some set of rules> > > and elimination and additions we shud start from there .Tho absence of> > > public participation we cannot collect it ,ourself in short time .> > > > >> > > > > if u want then u can use other dasa schemes or method of arudha like> > > that .> > > > > But we shud seperate it with each other and publish each obseravtion> > > seperately

..> > > > >> > > > > Now coming to 9 planet 12 rasi scheme ,we hav some set of rules> > > > >> > > > > 7thlord ,its strenght and yogas ,its navamsa laord and its strenght> > > and yogas ,also 7th rasi sphutta ( degree ) navamsa and its strenght and> > > yogas .> > > > >> > > > > same way we can see influnce in 7th house also karaka> > > > >> > > > > general marriage karaka venus and for males strree karaka is also> > > venus> > > > >> > > > > But here i hav a devaitive thinking for husband karaka for ladies ,i> > > think we can take mars here .as in KP ( kala purusha which starts with> > > mesha lagna ) 7th form 7th for ( ladies we hav to take this way ) is> > > martian sign .So i think and i suggest let us

take a different spouce> > > karaka (karaka for husband ) for ladies for fine tuning .along with> > > venus as marriage karaka,tho traditionaly some says jup is karaka for> > > husband .Esp in north india .> > > > >> > > > > and now if u see the influnces and tatwas and planets along with> > > other can mute the effects like sani ,rahu ,ketu ( as this may show> > > older ) and planets like moon and merc ( as they r showing may younger )> > > shud be taken into consideration> > > > >> > > > > otherwise absence of 100s valid verified charts ,our reserch will be> > > a futile exercise .> > > > >> > > > > Its my humble opinion ,even that is the reason i remain silent when> > > u posted the first reserch for first time .> > > > >> >

> > > hope u understand my concerns and i expect all memebrs opinions on> > > it .Also other scholarly gurus in this group can correct my thinking .> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > thanks and regrds> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > sunil nair> > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > , Krishnamurthy> > > Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear All,> > > > > >> > > > > > I wish you all A HAPPY AND PROSPEROUS NEW YEAR!> > > > > >> > > > > > I was able to locate the birth details of Rupert Murdoch and

Anna> > > Murdoch. To my delight, I could see the same combinations in their> > > charts, that I have presented earlier for people who marry with big age> > > difference. Rupert married Anna who is 13 years younger to him, next he> > > married a Chinese lady who is 38 years younger to him! Anna, after> > > divorcing Rupert married a man who is 27 years older than her!> > > > > >> > > > > > I have updated my ariticle in my blog by adding this example. You> > > may go through the same at http://astrokrishna .blogspot. com> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > Krishna> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Never

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January 4, 2008

Hare ramakrishna,

dear krishna,

Rasi is indicating lot of things (a heap ) and a span of almost 2 hrs .I remeber one challenge by one prash trivedi who is claiming world famous asking to predict looking at rasi alone ( who is a memebr of this forum ) .When i given a sample chart he start dancing around .This days of too much interaction now we may fail there also unless u know the back ground of the person .

I remebr a case of a girl who born in indonesia ,grownup in US and actualy a iranian girl ,and a muslim wanted to know abt stability in her married life ( u know muslims can divorse in 3 talaqs ) i dont know the law in US .So astrologer also wel equipped than normal rules .

There r Nadi based technics where as in normal traditional astrology we can go by amsas ,i just invite ur attention to immediate amsa which is navamsa .So born in simha ( a royal sign ) and amsa in sag ( another royal sign ) ,i confirmed with various other technics also .It doesnot mean that all those who born in simha with sag navamsa will be born royal type ,its part of so many calculations .

its taught traditionaly ,part of a oral tradition .

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote:>> Dear Sunil,> > For judging the body type, I thought lagna in Rasi is more important. You seem to give lot of importance of navamsha lagna alone. Why is this?> > Regards,> Krishna> > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala wrote:> > hare ramakrishna,> dear krishna ,> I rememebr the agreement ,but its some natural way i put ji in frnd of names as it becomes a practise.> AK i simply used ,its one of the pointers ,AK in 12th i dont know much as i dont see that great results .> His family is good only b4 also in between they go down and his birth triggered every thing.> His grand father was a principal in madras layola college ,u remeber madras was supposed to be a centre of highest english education those days ,but his untimely death has affected their family .> I used humble begining is his fathers low start in jobs and then sudden rise and then all apptmt was political .> AK in 12th i hardly seeing it effects tho it may giv some status .I know even some one has this even in our grp and they r not very rich or very comfortable .> I hav lot of other calculations including lagna degrees ( its nadi based) ,But i i used this AK ( 7 karaka ) only to attract ur attention .> I told u his body more like jupiterian traits ( as dhanus is also a royal sign ) than saturnian .> Kids i think his wife may be pregnant this time( more sure from may on wards ) ,but needs confirmation .Till now they were in planning .> > hope this helps > > regrds sunil nair > om shreem maha laxmai namah.> > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote:> >> > Dear Sunil,> > > > You are breaking your agreement to drop 'ji' when you address me :-)> > > > Normally, I don't check Ak in a chart. I am not used to it that much. But, since you mentioned it, I started looking at it as to why you feel Ak in lagnamsha is a better placement. What I understand is Ak in lagnamsha indicates birth in a royal family of noble lineage. In one of your earlier messages you have mentioned that his father is from a humble brahmin family. They might have got rich/powerful after his birth. Actually, when Ak placed at 12th from lagnamsha the native becomes very rich and blessed by lakshmi. Please give your opinion/clarification on this matter.> > > > Also, please give me some info on his children.> > > > Regards,> > Krishna> > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > Hare ramakrishna,> > dear krishna ji ,> > > > I think he suits more to dhanus Navmsa with Ak budh in Navamsa lagna .> > > > he looks more good than rest of the family memebrs and got a air of royalty in all moves and mannerism.Very soft spoken guy .> > > > More inclined to venusian professions tho he was working in power sector b4(mostly ) .Which he always resigns after 3 or 6 mnths .Worked with ZEE TV also as manager .I dont know which dept .> > > > Now working with medias & entertainment and got a good connection with alva brothers (margaret alva s sons) ,( indian idol fame ) ,but i am not sure what way they r going to co operate.As some US invester also investing with alva comapny to make serials and may be own channel .> > > > he is in mumbai now.so lately six months hardly much connection .> > > > he is engineer and MBA in marketting .Voice is good ,but not into singing .> > > > Hope this helps .> > regrds sunil nair > > Om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> > > > > > > > > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sunil,> > > > > > 34 years means after Mer-Mer, definitely after the MD of Sat.> > > > > > Thanks for sharing some details about the native. If we have to decide which navamsha lagna is better for him, I need more details:> > > > > > Dhanu Navamsha could suit better if: The person has some artistic talents, has exceptionally good voice, good in maths, and has some writing skills.> > > > > > Makara lagna could suit better if: The person exhibits leadership qualities, adapts well and can take up any kind of work, is short tempered, and is interested in martial arts.> > > > > > Since you know the person well, I am sure you will be able to give me a feedback on this.> > > > > > Regards,> > > Krishna> > > > > > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > > > Hare ramakrishna ,> > > dear krishna ji ,> > > Now i rememebr what sri K N rao without going much given his father one prediction in writing that his marriage after 34 will be stable one > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.> > > > > > > > > > > > , "sunil nair" astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare ramakrishna,> > > > > > > > dear Krishna ji ,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not giving a chart which i got from .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This nativ belong to a highly affluent ,rich and political family and> > > > they r power brokers in the the delhi corridors .All the family is> > > > highly educated and wel placed .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and i know each and every life incidents in this boys chart .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only thing is that i am alone and i dont maitain a file for all kind of> > > > cases tho i am also reserch minded .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all the biggest astrologers at the time of his birth tried to see his> > > > chart and tried to predict for him as his father is a blver of astrology> > > > .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This includes B V raman ,his son and gayatri Vasu dev and also so man> > > > big gaints also including Pt .sanjay rath(very later ) .Also so many> > > > known and unknown pundits in North india .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Including many nadi astrologers of south ( not those who just nadi ola> > > > ( leaf ) readers ) .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I always find his chart tallies with simha lagna only .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > His fathers humble begining to highest position in state of Madhya> > > > pradesh to his birth in a a brahmnin family as a 2nd son and till he get> > > > married comfortably was expalined by his simha lagna with various> > > > calculation.later he was selected to ( his father ) as chairman of one> > > > of the navaratna corporation of indian Govtment and now still under th> > > > pay rol of UN ,2 lacs dollars /per month as adviser .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do u think with virgo lagna and navamsa lagna in makar givs this effect> > > > ,forget abt other intricate higher amsa s.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can disclose this much without their valid consent.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so u can calculate now on that basis and i reserve my comments on what> > > > each astrologers predicted when the child was born ( their family keeps> > > > as record on each and every predictions also gives lot of dakshina to> > > > any one predicts .) .Since this boy is very close to me he has shown me> > > > reading of so many gr8 personalities in astro .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds sunil nair> > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Krishnamurthy> > > > Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sunil,> > > > >> > > > > Different people look at the same thing with different perspectives.> > > > Though the reality reamins the same, reality appears different to> > > > different people based on their perspective. Now, whose perspective is> > > > correct? There is no objective answer to this. When something can not be> > > > objectively proven, belief steps in. There is no argument when it comes> > > > to someone's belief.> > > > >> > > > > Here, I am only sharing my perspective based on my experience (or lack> > > > of it). You are sharing your perspective based on your experience. It is> > > > possible that there could be difference in opinion as our expereinces> > > > are vastly different. At the same time, I am very thankful to you for> > > > sharing your perspective. It gives me something to chew on, something to> > > > ponder about. I will definitely think about what you are trying to> > > > communicate.> > > > >> > > > > You gave an example chart, and asked if the event described could have> > > > been predicted based on my theory. Probably, not. I have two reasons for> > > > it:> > > > >> > > > > - I have proposed something based on identification of a pattern. It> > > > has to pass the test of many more charts. Once, I have sufficient number> > > > of samples (at least a 100), I can start predicting confidently. Till> > > > then, i will be in the process of validation. Sharing my finding with> > > > others is one way to get more and more charts to validate.> > > > >> > > > > - It is difficult to assess a chart when the lagna is in sandhi. We> > > > are never sure if we have taken the right lagna. In the example chart> > > > you have given, the lagna is in a sandhi between Leo and Virgo.> > > > >> > > > > Out of curiosity, I just verified the chart with Virgo Lagna (the> > > > diff. in birth time will be about 3 min. 4 sec). This is what I have> > > > noticed:> > > > >> > > > > - UL lord Jupiter is in the Nakshatra of Moon> > > > > - Moon is afflicted by Rahu> > > > > - Rahu influences the UL lord Jupiter> > > > > - Saturn aspects UL lord Jupiter> > > > > - The incident you have described, most likely has taken place during> > > > Sat-Rahu period> > > > >> > > > > If you notice, this is exactly the combination that I have described> > > > in my write-up. Based on the event you have described, I tend to believe> > > > that the correct lagna for this native is Virgo.> > > > >> > > > > Thanks for sharing this chart.> > > > >> > > > > Regards,> > > > > Krishna> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > > Hare ramakrishna,> > > > > dear krishna ji ,> > > > > Myself being an astrologer and being participated in so many > > > > grps many students thinking i know this UL methods when they find its> > > > not working in their charts they used to conct me and ask me for> > > > clearing the doubts .> > > > > So i find its some times working and some times not .if u see surya> > > > narayana rao ,Ps sastri and Pt sanjay rath and Kn rao each is arguing> > > > and trying to eastablish their arudha system is correct .same is the> > > > case with late C S patel .So that is the reason why i dropped it .> > > > > For example here is a chart 1st may 1970 at 15.03 PM jabal pur ,Madhya> > > > pradesh .This boy at the age of 27 or 29 .He find one girl in a dance> > > > party and fall in lov with her and married her >marriage happend in arya> > > > samaj mandir and it was a secret marriage .Girl was below 17 years and> > > > it has given a hell of problems in his life and their rich and> > > > influencial family has to> > > > > pay lot of money to the girl to hush up the matter .> > > > > Here the mute point is UL is not influenced by any planet and UL lord> > > > is influenced by all planets we can say .> > > > > So what we can take it ,if we dont know the event or prior to the> > > > event how we can decipher it> > > > > Hope u understand .Being astrologer myself i am not after dry> > > > arguements any thing working is adoptable for me.> > > > >> > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > , Krishnamurthy> > > > Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Sunil,> > > > > >> > > > > > I am very happy to note that you could spare time to go through my> > > > work and to give your feedback on the same.> > > > > >> > > > > > Your observations about mixing systems is perfectly valid. I have my> > > > own reason for using the UL concept with Vimshottari dasha system. I> > > > would like to explian:> > > > > >> > > > > > I would like to point out that I have observed UL/UL lord concept to> > > > be resonating well with Vimshottari dasha and events in life.> > > > "Difference in age of spouse" is not the only area that I found UL to be> > > > useful. I am working on another area where UL/UL lord concept again> > > > works very well with the rest of the chart and resonates well with> > > > Vishottari dasha system. That is the reason I chose to present what I> > > > presented. I need to explore further on couple of more areas in life> > > > with respect to UL and vimshottari before I can take a very strong stand> > > > on the same.> > > > > >> > > > > > At the same time, I am listening to your words of caution about> > > > mixing two systems. I would like to clarify that mixing different> > > > systems is neither my goal and nor I am enjoy doing it. I understand> > > > that I could easily lose my way if I pursue it blindly. I am taking a> > > > cautious approach.> > > > > >> > > > > > And, you are right that the sample size has to be much bigger to> > > > confirm a pattern. In whatever I have published so far, the sameple size> > > > that I have tried out would be at least double that of the number of> > > > examples I quote in my write-ups. Yet, I understand it is not big> > > > enough. At the same time, I feel what I am observing is not> > > > coincidental. There has to be some truth in what I have been observing.> > > > What I have presented may undergo some change with a much bigger sample> > > > size. And, at the same time, I believe it can not be brushed away as> > > > irrelevant. I will continue to validate my hypothesis with each new case> > > > I come across. In fact, I am doing it on most theories I have published> > > > till now. I have not had single new case fail so far for the diabetes> > > > combination I have presented. Touch wood...> > > > > >> > > > > > Again, many thanks to your comment and friendly words of caution.> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > Krishna> > > > > >> > > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Hare ramakrishna,> > > > > > dear Krishna .> > > > > >> > > > > > first of let me thank u for ur new year greetings .> > > > > >> > > > > > And now i will come to the point ,tho u r reserch is valid ,i hav> > > > few suggestions .> > > > > >> > > > > > One is we shud use rasi graha,significator methods and we shud not> > > > mix what is known as jaimini with parasari ( tho its not so -but i dont> > > > know any other name to specify it ) .As we r concentrating now rishi> > > > hora scheme here .And in jaimini still lot of unidentified areas and 2> > > > or 3 line of schools and each is telling their view is correct .And> > > > being our life is small and simple we can not work out on each and every> > > > claim in scientific way and then accept or reject it .> > > > > >> > > > > > we shud use only one dasa scheme with what ever rasi and amsa charts> > > > applicable .(tho u r using vim dasa here )> > > > > >> > > > > > here i find u u r mixing methods ,so finaly we will be no where ,tho> > > > i am not telling u r wrong .> > > > > >> > > > > > Another thing is celebrity charts and its validity ,no way we can> > > > double check it .> > > > > >> > > > > > so in a reserch u shud hav some 100 charts with some set of rules> > > > and elimination and additions we shud start from there .Tho absence of> > > > public participation we cannot collect it ,ourself in short time .> > > > > >> > > > > > if u want then u can use other dasa schemes or method of arudha like> > > > that .> > > > > > But we shud seperate it with each other and publish each obseravtion> > > > seperately .> > > > > >> > > > > > Now coming to 9 planet 12 rasi scheme ,we hav some set of rules> > > > > >> > > > > > 7thlord ,its strenght and yogas ,its navamsa laord and its strenght> > > > and yogas ,also 7th rasi sphutta ( degree ) navamsa and its strenght and> > > > yogas .> > > > > >> > > > > > same way we can see influnce in 7th house also karaka> > > > > >> > > > > > general marriage karaka venus and for males strree karaka is also> > > > venus> > > > > >> > > > > > But here i hav a devaitive thinking for husband karaka for ladies ,i> > > > think we can take mars here .as in KP ( kala purusha which starts with> > > > mesha lagna ) 7th form 7th for ( ladies we hav to take this way ) is> > > > martian sign .So i think and i suggest let us take a different spouce> > > > karaka (karaka for husband ) for ladies for fine tuning .along with> > > > venus as marriage karaka,tho traditionaly some says jup is karaka for> > > > husband .Esp in north india .> > > > > >> > > > > > and now if u see the influnces and tatwas and planets along with> > > > other can mute the effects like sani ,rahu ,ketu ( as this may show> > > > older ) and planets like moon and merc ( as they r showing may younger )> > > > shud be taken into consideration> > > > > >> > > > > > otherwise absence of 100s valid verified charts ,our reserch will be> > > > a futile exercise .> > > > > >> > > > > > Its my humble opinion ,even that is the reason i remain silent when> > > > u posted the first reserch for first time .> > > > > >> > > > > > hope u understand my concerns and i expect all memebrs opinions on> > > > it .Also other scholarly gurus in this group can correct my thinking .> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > thanks and regrds> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > sunil nair> > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > , Krishnamurthy> > > > Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear All,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I wish you all A HAPPY AND PROSPEROUS NEW YEAR!> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I was able to locate the birth details of Rupert Murdoch and Anna> > > > Murdoch. To my delight, I could see the same combinations in their> > > > charts, that I have presented earlier for people who marry with big age> > > > difference. Rupert married Anna who is 13 years younger to him, next he> > > > married a Chinese lady who is 38 years younger to him! Anna, after> > > > divorcing Rupert married a man who is 27 years older than her!> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I have updated my ariticle in my blog by adding this example. You> > > > may go through the same at http://astrokrishna .blogspot. com> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > Krishna> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? 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January 4, 2008

Dear Sunil, Thanks for the clarifications. Regards, Krishna sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala wrote: Hare ramakrishna, dear krishna, Rasi is indicating lot of things (a heap ) and a span of almost 2 hrs .I remeber one challenge by one prash trivedi

who is claiming world famous asking to predict looking at rasi alone ( who is a memebr of this forum ) .When i given a sample chart he start dancing around .This days of too much interaction now we may fail there also unless u know the back ground of the person . I remebr a case of a girl who born in indonesia ,grownup in US and actualy a iranian girl ,and a muslim wanted to know abt stability in her married life ( u know muslims can divorse in 3 talaqs ) i dont know the law in US .So astrologer also wel equipped than normal rules . There r Nadi based technics where as in normal traditional astrology we can go by amsas ,i just invite ur attention to immediate amsa which is navamsa .So born in simha ( a royal sign ) and amsa in sag ( another royal sign ) ,i confirmed with various other technics also .It doesnot

mean that all those who born in simha with sag navamsa will be born royal type ,its part of so many calculations . its taught traditionaly ,part of a oral tradition . regrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah . , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote:>> Dear Sunil,> > For judging the body type, I thought lagna in Rasi is more important. You seem to give lot of importance of navamsha lagna alone. Why is this?> > Regards,> Krishna> > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala wrote:> > hare ramakrishna,> dear krishna ,> I rememebr the

agreement ,but its some natural way i put ji in frnd of names as it becomes a practise.> AK i simply used ,its one of the pointers ,AK in 12th i dont know much as i dont see that great results .> His family is good only b4 also in between they go down and his birth triggered every thing.> His grand father was a principal in madras layola college ,u remeber madras was supposed to be a centre of highest english education those days ,but his untimely death has affected their family .> I used humble begining is his fathers low start in jobs and then sudden rise and then all apptmt was political .> AK in 12th i hardly seeing it effects tho it may giv some status .I know even some one has this even in our grp and they r not very rich or very comfortable .> I hav lot of other calculations including lagna degrees ( its nadi based) ,But i i used this AK ( 7 karaka ) only to attract ur attention .> I told u his body more like

jupiterian traits ( as dhanus is also a royal sign ) than saturnian .> Kids i think his wife may be pregnant this time( more sure from may on wards ) ,but needs confirmation .Till now they were in planning .> > hope this helps > > regrds sunil nair > om shreem maha laxmai namah.> > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote:> >> > Dear Sunil,> > > > You are breaking your agreement to drop 'ji' when you address me :-)> > > > Normally, I don't check Ak in a chart. I am not used to it that much. But, since you mentioned it, I started looking at it as to why you feel Ak in lagnamsha is a better placement. What I understand is Ak in lagnamsha indicates birth in a royal family of noble lineage. In one of your earlier messages you have mentioned that his father is from a humble brahmin

family. They might have got rich/powerful after his birth. Actually, when Ak placed at 12th from lagnamsha the native becomes very rich and blessed by lakshmi. Please give your opinion/clarification on this matter.> > > > Also, please give me some info on his children.> > > > Regards,> > Krishna> > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > Hare ramakrishna,> > dear krishna ji ,> > > > I think he suits more to dhanus Navmsa with Ak budh in Navamsa lagna .> > > > he looks more good than rest of the family memebrs and got a air of royalty in all moves and mannerism.Very soft spoken guy .> > > > More inclined to venusian professions tho he was working in power sector b4(mostly ) .Which he always resigns after 3 or 6 mnths .Worked with ZEE TV also as manager .I dont know which dept .> > >

> Now working with medias & entertainment and got a good connection with alva brothers (margaret alva s sons) ,( indian idol fame ) ,but i am not sure what way they r going to co operate.As some US invester also investing with alva comapny to make serials and may be own channel .> > > > he is in mumbai now.so lately six months hardly much connection .> > > > he is engineer and MBA in marketting .Voice is good ,but not into singing .> > > > Hope this helps .> > regrds sunil nair > > Om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> > > > > > > > > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sunil,> > > > > > 34 years means after Mer-Mer, definitely after the MD of Sat.> > > > > > Thanks for sharing

some details about the native. If we have to decide which navamsha lagna is better for him, I need more details:> > > > > > Dhanu Navamsha could suit better if: The person has some artistic talents, has exceptionally good voice, good in maths, and has some writing skills.> > > > > > Makara lagna could suit better if: The person exhibits leadership qualities, adapts well and can take up any kind of work, is short tempered, and is interested in martial arts.> > > > > > Since you know the person well, I am sure you will be able to give me a feedback on this.> > > > > > Regards,> > > Krishna> > > > > > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > > > Hare ramakrishna ,> > > dear krishna ji ,> > > Now i rememebr what sri K N rao without going much given his father one

prediction in writing that his marriage after 34 will be stable one > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.> > > > > > > > > > > > , "sunil nair" astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare ramakrishna,> > > > > > > > dear Krishna ji ,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not giving a chart which i got from .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This nativ belong to a highly affluent ,rich and political family and> > > > they r power brokers in the the delhi corridors .All the family is> > > > highly

educated and wel placed .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and i know each and every life incidents in this boys chart .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only thing is that i am alone and i dont maitain a file for all kind of> > > > cases tho i am also reserch minded .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all the biggest astrologers at the time of his birth tried to see his> > > > chart and tried to predict for him as his father is a blver of astrology> > > > .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This includes B V raman ,his son and gayatri Vasu dev and also so man> > > > big gaints also including Pt .sanjay rath(very later ) .Also so many>

> > > known and unknown pundits in North india .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Including many nadi astrologers of south ( not those who just nadi ola> > > > ( leaf ) readers ) .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I always find his chart tallies with simha lagna only .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > His fathers humble begining to highest position in state of Madhya> > > > pradesh to his birth in a a brahmnin family as a 2nd son and till he get> > > > married comfortably was expalined by his simha lagna with various> > > > calculation.later he was selected to ( his father ) as chairman of one> > > > of the navaratna corporation of indian Govtment and now still under th> > > > pay

rol of UN ,2 lacs dollars /per month as adviser .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do u think with virgo lagna and navamsa lagna in makar givs this effect> > > > ,forget abt other intricate higher amsa s.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can disclose this much without their valid consent.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so u can calculate now on that basis and i reserve my comments on what> > > > each astrologers predicted when the child was born ( their family keeps> > > > as record on each and every predictions also gives lot of dakshina to> > > > any one predicts .) .Since this boy is very close to me he has shown me> > > > reading of so many gr8

personalities in astro .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds sunil nair> > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Krishnamurthy> > > > Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sunil,> > > > >> > > > > Different people look at the same thing with different perspectives.> > > > Though the reality reamins the same, reality appears different to> > > > different people based on their perspective. Now, whose perspective is> > > > correct? There is no objective answer to this. When something can not

be> > > > objectively proven, belief steps in. There is no argument when it comes> > > > to someone's belief.> > > > >> > > > > Here, I am only sharing my perspective based on my experience (or lack> > > > of it). You are sharing your perspective based on your experience. It is> > > > possible that there could be difference in opinion as our expereinces> > > > are vastly different. At the same time, I am very thankful to you for> > > > sharing your perspective. It gives me something to chew on, something to> > > > ponder about. I will definitely think about what you are trying to> > > > communicate.> > > > >> > > > > You gave an example chart, and asked if the event described could have> > > > been predicted based on my theory. Probably, not. I have two

reasons for> > > > it:> > > > >> > > > > - I have proposed something based on identification of a pattern. It> > > > has to pass the test of many more charts. Once, I have sufficient number> > > > of samples (at least a 100), I can start predicting confidently. Till> > > > then, i will be in the process of validation. Sharing my finding with> > > > others is one way to get more and more charts to validate.> > > > >> > > > > - It is difficult to assess a chart when the lagna is in sandhi. We> > > > are never sure if we have taken the right lagna. In the example chart> > > > you have given, the lagna is in a sandhi between Leo and Virgo.> > > > >> > > > > Out of curiosity, I just verified the chart with Virgo Lagna (the> > > > diff. in

birth time will be about 3 min. 4 sec). This is what I have> > > > noticed:> > > > >> > > > > - UL lord Jupiter is in the Nakshatra of Moon> > > > > - Moon is afflicted by Rahu> > > > > - Rahu influences the UL lord Jupiter> > > > > - Saturn aspects UL lord Jupiter> > > > > - The incident you have described, most likely has taken place during> > > > Sat-Rahu period> > > > >> > > > > If you notice, this is exactly the combination that I have described> > > > in my write-up. Based on the event you have described, I tend to believe> > > > that the correct lagna for this native is Virgo.> > > > >> > > > > Thanks for sharing this chart.> > > > >> > > > > Regards,> > > > >

Krishna> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > > Hare ramakrishna,> > > > > dear krishna ji ,> > > > > Myself being an astrologer and being participated in so many > > > > grps many students thinking i know this UL methods when they find its> > > > not working in their charts they used to conct me and ask me for> > > > clearing the doubts .> > > > > So i find its some times working and some times not .if u see surya> > > > narayana rao ,Ps sastri and Pt sanjay rath and Kn rao each is arguing> > > > and trying to eastablish their arudha system is correct .same is the> > > > case with late C S patel .So that is the reason why i dropped it .> > > > > For example here

is a chart 1st may 1970 at 15.03 PM jabal pur ,Madhya> > > > pradesh .This boy at the age of 27 or 29 .He find one girl in a dance> > > > party and fall in lov with her and married her >marriage happend in arya> > > > samaj mandir and it was a secret marriage .Girl was below 17 years and> > > > it has given a hell of problems in his life and their rich and> > > > influencial family has to> > > > > pay lot of money to the girl to hush up the matter .> > > > > Here the mute point is UL is not influenced by any planet and UL lord> > > > is influenced by all planets we can say .> > > > > So what we can take it ,if we dont know the event or prior to the> > > > event how we can decipher it> > > > > Hope u understand .Being astrologer myself i am not after dry> > > >

arguements any thing working is adoptable for me.> > > > >> > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > , Krishnamurthy> > > > Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Sunil,> > > > > >> > > > > > I am very happy to note that you could spare time to go through my> > > > work and to give your feedback on the same.> > > > > >> > > > > > Your observations about mixing systems is perfectly valid. I have my> > > > own reason for using the UL concept with Vimshottari dasha system. I> > > > would

like to explian:> > > > > >> > > > > > I would like to point out that I have observed UL/UL lord concept to> > > > be resonating well with Vimshottari dasha and events in life.> > > > "Difference in age of spouse" is not the only area that I found UL to be> > > > useful. I am working on another area where UL/UL lord concept again> > > > works very well with the rest of the chart and resonates well with> > > > Vishottari dasha system. That is the reason I chose to present what I> > > > presented. I need to explore further on couple of more areas in life> > > > with respect to UL and vimshottari before I can take a very strong stand> > > > on the same.> > > > > >> > > > > > At the same time, I am listening to your words of caution about> > > >

mixing two systems. I would like to clarify that mixing different> > > > systems is neither my goal and nor I am enjoy doing it. I understand> > > > that I could easily lose my way if I pursue it blindly. I am taking a> > > > cautious approach.> > > > > >> > > > > > And, you are right that the sample size has to be much bigger to> > > > confirm a pattern. In whatever I have published so far, the sameple size> > > > that I have tried out would be at least double that of the number of> > > > examples I quote in my write-ups. Yet, I understand it is not big> > > > enough. At the same time, I feel what I am observing is not> > > > coincidental. There has to be some truth in what I have been observing.> > > > What I have presented may undergo some change with a much bigger sample> >

> > size. And, at the same time, I believe it can not be brushed away as> > > > irrelevant. I will continue to validate my hypothesis with each new case> > > > I come across. In fact, I am doing it on most theories I have published> > > > till now. I have not had single new case fail so far for the diabetes> > > > combination I have presented. Touch wood...> > > > > >> > > > > > Again, many thanks to your comment and friendly words of caution.> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > Krishna> > > > > >> > > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Hare ramakrishna,> > > > > > dear Krishna .> > > > > >> > > > > > first

of let me thank u for ur new year greetings .> > > > > >> > > > > > And now i will come to the point ,tho u r reserch is valid ,i hav> > > > few suggestions .> > > > > >> > > > > > One is we shud use rasi graha,significator methods and we shud not> > > > mix what is known as jaimini with parasari ( tho its not so -but i dont> > > > know any other name to specify it ) .As we r concentrating now rishi> > > > hora scheme here .And in jaimini still lot of unidentified areas and 2> > > > or 3 line of schools and each is telling their view is correct .And> > > > being our life is small and simple we can not work out on each and every> > > > claim in scientific way and then accept or reject it .> > > > > >> > > > > > we shud use only one

dasa scheme with what ever rasi and amsa charts> > > > applicable .(tho u r using vim dasa here )> > > > > >> > > > > > here i find u u r mixing methods ,so finaly we will be no where ,tho> > > > i am not telling u r wrong .> > > > > >> > > > > > Another thing is celebrity charts and its validity ,no way we can> > > > double check it .> > > > > >> > > > > > so in a reserch u shud hav some 100 charts with some set of rules> > > > and elimination and additions we shud start from there .Tho absence of> > > > public participation we cannot collect it ,ourself in short time .> > > > > >> > > > > > if u want then u can use other dasa schemes or method of arudha like> > > > that .> > > > > >

But we shud seperate it with each other and publish each obseravtion> > > > seperately .> > > > > >> > > > > > Now coming to 9 planet 12 rasi scheme ,we hav some set of rules> > > > > >> > > > > > 7thlord ,its strenght and yogas ,its navamsa laord and its strenght> > > > and yogas ,also 7th rasi sphutta ( degree ) navamsa and its strenght and> > > > yogas .> > > > > >> > > > > > same way we can see influnce in 7th house also karaka> > > > > >> > > > > > general marriage karaka venus and for males strree karaka is also> > > > venus> > > > > >> > > > > > But here i hav a devaitive thinking for husband karaka for ladies ,i> > > > think we can take mars here .as in KP ( kala purusha

which starts with> > > > mesha lagna ) 7th form 7th for ( ladies we hav to take this way ) is> > > > martian sign .So i think and i suggest let us take a different spouce> > > > karaka (karaka for husband ) for ladies for fine tuning .along with> > > > venus as marriage karaka,tho traditionaly some says jup is karaka for> > > > husband .Esp in north india .> > > > > >> > > > > > and now if u see the influnces and tatwas and planets along with> > > > other can mute the effects like sani ,rahu ,ketu ( as this may show> > > > older ) and planets like moon and merc ( as they r showing may younger )> > > > shud be taken into consideration> > > > > >> > > > > > otherwise absence of 100s valid verified charts ,our reserch will be> > > > a futile

exercise .> > > > > >> > > > > > Its my humble opinion ,even that is the reason i remain silent when> > > > u posted the first reserch for first time .> > > > > >> > > > > > hope u understand my concerns and i expect all memebrs opinions on> > > > it .Also other scholarly gurus in this group can correct my thinking .> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > thanks and regrds> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > sunil nair> > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > , Krishnamurthy> > > > Seetharama krishna_1998@

wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear All,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I wish you all A HAPPY AND PROSPEROUS NEW YEAR!> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I was able to locate the birth details of Rupert Murdoch and Anna> > > > Murdoch. To my delight, I could see the same combinations in their> > > > charts, that I have presented earlier for people who marry with big age> > > > difference. Rupert married Anna who is 13 years younger to him, next he> > > > married a Chinese lady who is 38 years younger to him! Anna, after> > > > divorcing Rupert married a man who is 27 years older than her!> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I have updated my ariticle in my blog by adding this example. You> > > > may go

through the same at http://astrokrishna .blogspot. com> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > Krishna> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with > > > > Search.> > > > > >> > > >

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