Guest guest Posted December 24, 2007 Report Share Posted December 24, 2007 Dear Srinadhji, Vinitaji, I do not know if exalted retro behaves as debilated. But if I am to say my experience, I had Mercury, 4th lord (exalted retro in 4th) dasa till 4 years. Though 3-4 years are just the baby stages of ones education, I had got 2 silver medals and 2 certificates of Kerala govt (each for studies and drawing) within that last phase of mercury. So I think as you said, benefic if exalted retro can give excellent results. Regards, Jyothi , " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote: > > > Dear Vinita ji, > ==> > retro exalted planet (and therefore neech) giving good results. > <== > Oh!! That is really something new to me! Retrograde planets in > exaltation should be considered as debilitated?!! I don't think so. > * Retrograde planet in exaltation, if it is a benefic will surely give > excellent good results. > * Retrograde planet in exaltation, if it is a malefic then will give > good results by the end of the dasa, but will cause much unwantered > trouble, hard work, wandering (travel) and suffering during its desa as > well. > Now coming to Sa in 6th for Taurus Lagna - > * Sa is yogakaraka because it owns 9th and 10th house from Taurus > Lagna > * But many classics such as Bhavartha Ratnakara & Leghu Jataka > presents a corollary and indicate that - Saturn CANNOT give the full > results as yogakaraka for Tarus laga. (exalted in 6th debilitated from > 12th from Tarus). > Combining these two points we can only expect " a fairly good period " > in the Antar dasa of Saturn; i.e. Almost the continuation of the results > the native was experiencing. On the Job front some special good results > can be expected because, Sa is the significator of 10th house, owns 10th > house, and is placed in 6th house indicating service. Thus a native in > service will definitely receive the beneficial results of Saturn during > this period. But otherwise owning to the fact that it gives too much > travel, hard word, efforts fructifying after much delay only etc - the > period can be said only as providing " fairly good results " and not > excellent. > Note: The exalted planet in retrograde CANNOT be considered as in > debilitation. It IS an Exalted planet! > Love and regards, > Sreenadh > > , " vinita kumar " > <shankar_mamta@> wrote: > > > > > > " A Neechagraha providing Rajayoga is like a unkind, ruthless, money > > minded, petty man making more money by lending it for high interest, > > devastating the life of many. As we can clearly see in this example, > > the debilitated planet clearly played its role (by making the native > > a neecha, debilitated/uncultured/unkind individual during its dasa), > > but due to the bhanga (i.e. if Neechabhanga is present in > > horoscope), he becomes wealthy by utilizing his malecious qualities, > > and thus it is termed Rajayoga! " > > > > i have not been following the discussions on this but would like to > > give an example of a retro exalted planet (and therefore neech) > > giving good results. > > > > this is the case of Taurus Lagna with retro Saturn in 6th House > > (Libra). > > > > the native will never run the MD of Saturn but during the > > antardashas this planet has given fairly good results, specially > > from the career point of view, since Saturn also rules 10th House. > > > > i am not sure on the following counts... > > is is correct to consider an exalted planet as debilitated if it is > > retro? > > are the good results because of a debilitated malefic in an upachaya > > house...or because Saturn in any case is yogakaraka for Taurus? > > > > if it is the latter then a debilitated yogakaraka should not give > > good results...so it must be the former, isn't it??? > > > > , " Sreenadh " > > sreesog@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Srinivas ji, > > > A Neechagraha providing Rajayoga is like a unkind, ruthless, > > money > > > minded, petty man making more money by lending it for high > > interest, > > > devastating the life of many. As we can clearly see in this > > example, the > > > debilitated planet clearly played its role (by making the native a > > > neecha, debilitated/uncultured/unkind individual during its dasa), > > but > > > due to the bhanga (i.e. if Neechabhanga is present in horoscope), > > he > > > becomes wealthy by utilizing his malecious quolities, and thus it > > is > > > termed Rajayoga! > > > So the point is, " The results predicted for both -1. Planet in > > > debilitation and 2. for Neecha bhanga Rajayoga - apply " . This > > itself is > > > the beauty of astrology and that is why the dictum - " No > > cancellation of > > > results in astrology " . > > > If you provide an example chart - I will clarify it with going > > to the > > > details of related results. > > > Note: It seems that there are too many netizons with debilitated > > > planets in this era of Rahu as Sunil ji puts it! All neechas are > > getting > > > activated (and too many free reading requests comes), and now the > > > subject neechagrha rules the group. :) > > > Love and regards, > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > , " sreeram srinivas " > > > <sreeram64@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > It appears from all the details posted on the debilitated > > planets that > > > > they are the most desirable things in an horoscope for they are > > seen > > > or > > > > {Made to see only good} giving excellent results..... > > > > > > > > The fact is that it cannot be !! that excellent as it is being > > made > > > to > > > > ........I did cast few hororscopes with the provided data, if > > one > > > were > > > > to truthfully interpret and predict surely some personal things > > would > > > > surface.....I am not sure if the respective members would be > > equally > > > > truthful in accepting them or provide a truthful account of > > events.... > > > > > > > > All that is painted green is not that green.....{ on the subject > > of > > > > debilitated planets...} else, astrology as stated in the > > scriptures > > > > needs to be ignored.....or forgotten....which for all reasons > > being > > > the > > > > words of wisdome from our rishis or seers......there is greater > > truth > > > in > > > > their sayings..... > > > > > > > > with regards, > > > > > > > > sreeram_srinivas > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2007 Report Share Posted December 24, 2007 Some people blindly take exalted-retro as debilitated and debilitated-retro as exalted. This is incorrect. I have not seen the planets behaving that way. This is my personal opinion. Regards, Krishnajyothi_b_lakshmi <jyothi_b_lakshmi wrote: Dear Srinadhji, Vinitaji,I do not know if exalted retro behaves as debilated. But if I am to say my experience, I had Mercury, 4th lord (exalted retro in 4th) dasa till 4 years. Though 3-4 years are just the baby stages of ones education, I had got 2 silver medals and 2 certificates of Kerala govt (each for studies and drawing) within that last phase of mercury. So I think as you said, benefic if exalted retro can give excellent results.Regards,Jyothi , "Sreenadh" <sreesog wrote:>> > Dear Vinita ji,> ==>> retro exalted planet (and therefore neech) giving good results.> <==> Oh!! That is really something new to me! Retrograde planets in> exaltation should be considered as debilitated?!! I don't think so.> * Retrograde planet in exaltation, if it is a benefic will surely give> excellent good results.> * Retrograde planet in exaltation, if it is a malefic then will give> good results by the end of the dasa, but will cause much unwantered> trouble, hard work, wandering (travel) and suffering during its desa as> well.> Now coming to Sa in 6th for Taurus Lagna -> * Sa is yogakaraka because it owns 9th and 10th house from Taurus> Lagna> * But many classics such as Bhavartha Ratnakara & Leghu Jataka> presents a corollary and indicate that - Saturn CANNOT give the full> results as yogakaraka for Tarus laga. (exalted in 6th debilitated from> 12th from Tarus).> Combining these two points we can only expect "a fairly good period"> in the Antar dasa of Saturn; i.e. Almost the continuation of the results> the native was experiencing. On the Job front some special good results> can be expected because, Sa is the significator of 10th house, owns 10th> house, and is placed in 6th house indicating service. Thus a native in> service will definitely receive the beneficial results of Saturn during> this period. But otherwise owning to the fact that it gives too much> travel, hard word, efforts fructifying after much delay only etc - the> period can be said only as providing "fairly good results" and not> excellent.> Note: The exalted planet in retrograde CANNOT be considered as in> debilitation. It IS an Exalted planet!> Love and regards,> Sreenadh> > , "vinita kumar"> <shankar_mamta@> wrote:> >> >> > "A Neechagraha providing Rajayoga is like a unkind, ruthless, money> > minded, petty man making more money by lending it for high interest,> > devastating the life of many. As we can clearly see in this example,> > the debilitated planet clearly played its role (by making the native> > a neecha, debilitated/uncultured/unkind individual during its dasa),> > but due to the bhanga (i.e. if Neechabhanga is present in> > horoscope), he becomes wealthy by utilizing his malecious qualities,> > and thus it is termed Rajayoga!"> >> > i have not been following the discussions on this but would like to> > give an example of a retro exalted planet (and therefore neech)> > giving good results.> >> > this is the case of Taurus Lagna with retro Saturn in 6th House> > (Libra).> >> > the native will never run the MD of Saturn but during the> > antardashas this planet has given fairly good results, specially> > from the career point of view, since Saturn also rules 10th House.> >> > i am not sure on the following counts...> > is is correct to consider an exalted planet as debilitated if it is> > retro?> > are the good results because of a debilitated malefic in an upachaya> > house...or because Saturn in any case is yogakaraka for Taurus?> >> > if it is the latter then a debilitated yogakaraka should not give> > good results...so it must be the former, isn't it???> >> > , "Sreenadh"> > sreesog@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Srinivas ji,> > > A Neechagraha providing Rajayoga is like a unkind, ruthless,> > money> > > minded, petty man making more money by lending it for high> > interest,> > > devastating the life of many. As we can clearly see in this> > example, the> > > debilitated planet clearly played its role (by making the native a> > > neecha, debilitated/uncultured/unkind individual during its dasa),> > but> > > due to the bhanga (i.e. if Neechabhanga is present in horoscope),> > he> > > becomes wealthy by utilizing his malecious quolities, and thus it> > is> > > termed Rajayoga!> > > So the point is, "The results predicted for both -1. Planet in> > > debilitation and 2. for Neecha bhanga Rajayoga - apply". This> > itself is> > > the beauty of astrology and that is why the dictum - "No> > cancellation of> > > results in astrology".> > > If you provide an example chart - I will clarify it with going> > to the> > > details of related results.> > > Note: It seems that there are too many netizons with debilitated> > > planets in this era of Rahu as Sunil ji puts it! All neechas are> > getting> > > activated (and too many free reading requests comes), and now the> > > subject neechagrha rules the group. :)> > > Love and regards,> > > Sreenadh> > >> > > , "sreeram srinivas"> > > <sreeram64@> wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Members,> > > >> > > > It appears from all the details posted on the debilitated> > planets that> > > > they are the most desirable things in an horoscope for they are> > seen> > > or> > > > {Made to see only good} giving excellent results.....> > > >> > > > The fact is that it cannot be !! that excellent as it is being> > made> > > to> > > > ........I did cast few hororscopes with the provided data, if> > one> > > were> > > > to truthfully interpret and predict surely some personal things> > would> > > > surface.....I am not sure if the respective members would be> > equally> > > > truthful in accepting them or provide a truthful account of> > events....> > > >> > > > All that is painted green is not that green.....{ on the subject> > of> > > > debilitated planets...} else, astrology as stated in the> > scriptures> > > > needs to be ignored.....or forgotten....which for all reasons> > being> > > the> > > > words of wisdome from our rishis or seers......there is greater> > truth> > > in> > > > their sayings.....> > > >> > > > with regards,> > > >> > > > sreeram_srinivas> > > >> > >> >> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. 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Guest guest Posted December 24, 2007 Report Share Posted December 24, 2007 Dear Jyothi and Shreenadh, actually, i too rely on experience for deriving conclusions. the trouble with such derivations, u will agree, is that they are localised and may not be universal. since i have picked up bits and pieces of information from here and there rather than from systematic research or readings of original texts it is difficult to attribute correctness to these statements. there are several places where i have come across the statement that an exalted retro planet acts as a debilitated planet...but one has to introduce some refinement in this statement as is evident from the following message: > > gbp_kumar > Wed, 26 Jul 2006 10:31:47 -0700 (PDT) > > Re: How Retrogate Planet work? 28/7 > > ==>Milan > one of my Gurus late sri K. ashwatappa an engineer with 14 academic > records/degrees] learnt sanskrit, astrology at 55 he also co- founded > ICAS with BV RAMAN said > > treat planets strong , benefic till they reach the exalted point back > wards and weak if after it > say Guru if retro after 3 deg or 5 deg kataka or even 2 Deg Makara it > is good, but if he is reterro before 2d eg 59 min in kataka treat it as > neeca retro > and so on<== > http://www.articlewisdom.com/Article/Vedic-Astrology-38/93 This is somewhat in contradiction with another write-up at: http://www.articlewisdom.com/Article/Vedic-Astrology-38/93 ==>The strengths of planets are measured in Rupas. A Rupa consists of 60 Shashtiamsas. 1) Exaltation Strength - Occhabala Occhabala is the Exaltation strength. For instance,the largest planet Jupiter is deeply exalted at 5 degrees Cancer. At 5 degrees Cancer, Jupiter attains a full strength of 60 Shashtiamsas or a Rupa. All planets have certain Exaltation points ( Oochabhagas ) & Debilitation Points ( Neechabhagas ). When a planet occupies its Oochabhaga, it gets One rupa or 60 Shashtiamsas of Oochabala. On the contrary, when it occupies its Debilitation Point( Neechabhaga ), there is Zero Oochabala. There is a gradual increase of Exaltation Strength from the Debilitation Point ( Neechabhaga) to the Exaltation Point ( Ucchabhaga ) , until at last the Bala reaches its maximum at the Oochabhaga. Conversely, there is a gradual decrease of Oochabala from the Exaltation Point to the Debilitation Point till the minimum is reached at the Debilitation Point ( Neechabhaga ) . Deduct the Debilitation Point from a planet's longitude and you get the Oocchabala. If it is in excess of 180 degrees, deduct it from 360 degrees & divide the difference by 3. This will give the Oocchabala of the planet. This is the formula for Occhabala Oochabala = (Planet's Longitude - Its Debilitation Point) * 60/180 = ( Planet's Longitude - Its Debilitation Point ) / 3 <== This does not mention anything abt. oochabala becoming neechabala on account of retrogression... For me retro saturn is placed at 9* libra....so it should be debilitated according to the first statement!!!? But then it has given me good results during antardashas, as it should, going by the second statement and by Shreenadh!!! Can u check the degree of your Mercury, Jyothi? (So u r a Gemini?!...i am not surprised!) love, vinita , " jyothi_b_lakshmi " <jyothi_b_lakshmi wrote: > > Dear Srinadhji, Vinitaji, > > I do not know if exalted retro behaves as debilated. But if I am to > say my experience, I had Mercury, 4th lord (exalted retro in 4th) > dasa till 4 years. Though 3-4 years are just the baby stages of ones > education, I had got 2 silver medals and 2 certificates of Kerala > govt (each for studies and drawing) within that last phase of > mercury. So I think as you said, benefic if exalted retro can give > excellent results. > > Regards, > Jyothi > > > , " Sreenadh " > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Vinita ji, > > ==> > > retro exalted planet (and therefore neech) giving good results. > > <== > > Oh!! That is really something new to me! Retrograde planets in > > exaltation should be considered as debilitated?!! I don't think so. > > * Retrograde planet in exaltation, if it is a benefic will > surely give > > excellent good results. > > * Retrograde planet in exaltation, if it is a malefic then will > give > > good results by the end of the dasa, but will cause much unwantered > > trouble, hard work, wandering (travel) and suffering during its > desa as > > well. > > Now coming to Sa in 6th for Taurus Lagna - > > * Sa is yogakaraka because it owns 9th and 10th house from Taurus > > Lagna > > * But many classics such as Bhavartha Ratnakara & Leghu Jataka > > presents a corollary and indicate that - Saturn CANNOT give the full > > results as yogakaraka for Tarus laga. (exalted in 6th debilitated > from > > 12th from Tarus). > > Combining these two points we can only expect " a fairly good > period " > > in the Antar dasa of Saturn; i.e. Almost the continuation of the > results > > the native was experiencing. On the Job front some special good > results > > can be expected because, Sa is the significator of 10th house, owns > 10th > > house, and is placed in 6th house indicating service. Thus a > native in > > service will definitely receive the beneficial results of Saturn > during > > this period. But otherwise owning to the fact that it gives too much > > travel, hard word, efforts fructifying after much delay only etc - > the > > period can be said only as providing " fairly good results " and not > > excellent. > > Note: The exalted planet in retrograde CANNOT be considered as in > > debilitation. It IS an Exalted planet! > > Love and regards, > > Sreenadh > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2007 Report Share Posted December 24, 2007 Dear Vinithaji, Even I had so much of confusions about retro exalted after reading from some books that such planets will behave as debilated. Especially when there is a range of degrees only within which a planet is said to be exalted. (Like mercury is exalted only in first 15 degrees). So again this confusion arises whether after this specified range, can't a planet be considered as exalted? If it cannot, then exalted+retro=debilated will not work, because as per that rule the planet is not exalted. The problem is that people who wrote down all these rules never gave a satsifactory explanation themselves. So we are eternally confused. Each one can go by their experience, but as you said, it varies globally. Anyway, I think retrograde planets gain strength as is again said by the texts. BTW, my mercury is in 29 degrees:). Warm regards, Jyothi , " vinita kumar " <shankar_mamta wrote: > > Dear Jyothi and Shreenadh, > > actually, i too rely on experience for deriving conclusions. the > trouble with such derivations, u will agree, is that they are > localised and may not be universal. > > since i have picked up bits and pieces of information from here and > there rather than from systematic research or readings of original > texts it is difficult to attribute correctness to these statements. > there are several places where i have come across the statement that > an exalted retro planet acts as a debilitated planet...but one has > to introduce some refinement in this statement as is evident from > the following message: > > > > > gbp_kumar > > Wed, 26 Jul 2006 10:31:47 -0700 (PDT) > > > > Re: How Retrogate Planet work? 28/7 > > > > ==>Milan > > one of my Gurus late sri K. ashwatappa an engineer with 14 academic > > records/degrees] learnt sanskrit, astrology at 55 he also co- > founded > > ICAS with BV RAMAN said > > > > treat planets strong , benefic till they reach the exalted point > back > > wards and weak if after it > > say Guru if retro after 3 deg or 5 deg kataka or even 2 Deg Makara > it > > is good, but if he is reterro before 2d eg 59 min in kataka treat > it as > > neeca retro > > and so on<== > > > http://www.articlewisdom.com/Article/Vedic-Astrology-38/93 > > This is somewhat in contradiction with another write-up at: > > http://www.articlewisdom.com/Article/Vedic-Astrology-38/93 > > ==>The strengths of planets are measured in Rupas. A Rupa consists > of 60 > Shashtiamsas. > > 1) Exaltation Strength - Occhabala > Occhabala is the Exaltation strength. For instance,the largest > planet Jupiter is deeply exalted at 5 degrees Cancer. At 5 degrees > Cancer, Jupiter attains a full strength of 60 Shashtiamsas or a > Rupa. All planets have certain Exaltation points ( Oochabhagas ) & > Debilitation Points ( Neechabhagas ). > When a planet occupies its Oochabhaga, it gets One rupa or 60 > Shashtiamsas of Oochabala. On the contrary, when it occupies its > Debilitation Point( Neechabhaga ), there is Zero Oochabala. There is > a gradual increase of Exaltation Strength from the Debilitation > Point ( Neechabhaga) to the Exaltation Point ( Ucchabhaga ) , until > at last the Bala reaches its maximum at the Oochabhaga. Conversely, > there is a gradual decrease of Oochabala from the Exaltation Point > to the Debilitation Point till the minimum is reached at the > Debilitation Point > ( Neechabhaga ) . > > Deduct the Debilitation Point from a planet's longitude and you get > the > Oocchabala. If it is in excess of 180 degrees, deduct it from 360 > degrees & > divide the difference by 3. This will give the Oocchabala of the > planet. > This is the formula for Occhabala > Oochabala = (Planet's Longitude - Its Debilitation Point) * 60/180 > = ( Planet's Longitude - Its Debilitation Point ) / 3 <== > > > This does not mention anything abt. oochabala becoming neechabala on > account of retrogression... > > For me retro saturn is placed at 9* libra....so it should be > debilitated according to the first statement!!!? But then it has > given me good results during antardashas, as it should, going by the > second statement and by Shreenadh!!! > > Can u check the degree of your Mercury, Jyothi? (So u r a > Gemini?!...i am not surprised!) > > love, > vinita > > , " jyothi_b_lakshmi " > <jyothi_b_lakshmi@> wrote: > > > > Dear Srinadhji, Vinitaji, > > > > I do not know if exalted retro behaves as debilated. But if I am > to > > say my experience, I had Mercury, 4th lord (exalted retro in 4th) > > dasa till 4 years. Though 3-4 years are just the baby stages of > ones > > education, I had got 2 silver medals and 2 certificates of Kerala > > govt (each for studies and drawing) within that last phase of > > mercury. So I think as you said, benefic if exalted retro can give > > excellent results. > > > > Regards, > > Jyothi > > > > > > , " Sreenadh " > > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Vinita ji, > > > ==> > > > retro exalted planet (and therefore neech) giving good results. > > > <== > > > Oh!! That is really something new to me! Retrograde planets in > > > exaltation should be considered as debilitated?!! I don't think > so. > > > * Retrograde planet in exaltation, if it is a benefic will > > surely give > > > excellent good results. > > > * Retrograde planet in exaltation, if it is a malefic then > will > > give > > > good results by the end of the dasa, but will cause much > unwantered > > > trouble, hard work, wandering (travel) and suffering during its > > desa as > > > well. > > > Now coming to Sa in 6th for Taurus Lagna - > > > * Sa is yogakaraka because it owns 9th and 10th house from > Taurus > > > Lagna > > > * But many classics such as Bhavartha Ratnakara & Leghu Jataka > > > presents a corollary and indicate that - Saturn CANNOT give the > full > > > results as yogakaraka for Tarus laga. (exalted in 6th > debilitated > > from > > > 12th from Tarus). > > > Combining these two points we can only expect " a fairly good > > period " > > > in the Antar dasa of Saturn; i.e. Almost the continuation of the > > results > > > the native was experiencing. On the Job front some special good > > results > > > can be expected because, Sa is the significator of 10th house, > owns > > 10th > > > house, and is placed in 6th house indicating service. Thus a > > native in > > > service will definitely receive the beneficial results of Saturn > > during > > > this period. But otherwise owning to the fact that it gives too > much > > > travel, hard word, efforts fructifying after much delay only > etc - > > the > > > period can be said only as providing " fairly good results " and > not > > > excellent. > > > Note: The exalted planet in retrograde CANNOT be considered as > in > > > debilitation. It IS an Exalted planet! > > > Love and regards, > > > Sreenadh > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2007 Report Share Posted December 25, 2007 Dear Jyotiji and Vinta ji, Exaltation means "Sign of Exaltation". If Sun is in Aries, where ever it be in Aries- it is exalted. It is just that 10 degree (i.e. 9.00 to 10.00) is the maximum degree of exaltation or deep exaltation degree of Sun in Aries. Same holds true for all the other planets regarding their exaltation debilitation Signs and deep exaltation debilitation degrees. It is only for the Moola triknona concept that the concept of particular degrees span within the sign applies. Also note that none use this Moolatrikona concept much in natal horoscopes :=) Yes, Moolatrikona concept can be intuitively applied in natal chart reading and prasna as done by many traditional astrologers - but please don't divert the discussion into this, since we will discuss it in detail later when we speak about "Sign Base" result derivation techniques used in 7-fold. Love and regards, Sreenadh , "jyothi_b_lakshmi" <jyothi_b_lakshmi wrote:>> Dear Vinithaji,> > Even I had so much of confusions about retro exalted after reading > from some books that such planets will behave as debilated. > Especially when there is a range of degrees only within which a > planet is said to be exalted. (Like mercury is exalted only in first > 15 degrees). So again this confusion arises whether after this > specified range, can't a planet be considered as exalted? If it > cannot, then exalted+retro=debilated will not work, because as per > that rule the planet is not exalted. The problem is that people who > wrote down all these rules never gave a satsifactory explanation > themselves. So we are eternally confused. Each one can go by their > experience, but as you said, it varies globally. Anyway, I think > retrograde planets gain strength as is again said by the texts. > > BTW, my mercury is in 29 degrees:). > > Warm regards,> Jyothi > > , "vinita kumar" > shankar_mamta@ wrote:> >> > Dear Jyothi and Shreenadh,> > > > actually, i too rely on experience for deriving conclusions. the > > trouble with such derivations, u will agree, is that they are > > localised and may not be universal.> > > > since i have picked up bits and pieces of information from here and > > there rather than from systematic research or readings of original > > texts it is difficult to attribute correctness to these statements. > > there are several places where i have come across the statement > that > > an exalted retro planet acts as a debilitated planet...but one has > > to introduce some refinement in this statement as is evident from > > the following message:> > > > > > > > gbp_kumar > > > Wed, 26 Jul 2006 10:31:47 -0700 (PDT)> > > > > > Re: How Retrogate Planet work? 28/7> > > > > > ==>Milan> > > one of my Gurus late sri K. ashwatappa an engineer with 14 > academic> > > records/degrees] learnt sanskrit, astrology at 55 he also co-> > founded> > > ICAS with BV RAMAN said> > > > > > treat planets strong , benefic till they reach the exalted point > > back> > > wards and weak if after it> > > say Guru if retro after 3 deg or 5 deg kataka or even 2 Deg > Makara > > it> > > is good, but if he is reterro before 2d eg 59 min in kataka treat > > it as> > > neeca retro> > > and so on<==> > > > > http://www.articlewisdom.com/Article/Vedic-Astrology-38/93> > > > This is somewhat in contradiction with another write-up at:> > > > http://www.articlewisdom.com/Article/Vedic-Astrology-38/93> > > > ==>The strengths of planets are measured in Rupas. A Rupa consists > > of 60> > Shashtiamsas. > > > > 1) Exaltation Strength - Occhabala > > Occhabala is the Exaltation strength. For instance,the largest > > planet Jupiter is deeply exalted at 5 degrees Cancer. At 5 degrees > > Cancer, Jupiter attains a full strength of 60 Shashtiamsas or a > > Rupa. All planets have certain Exaltation points ( Oochabhagas ) & > > Debilitation Points ( Neechabhagas ). > > When a planet occupies its Oochabhaga, it gets One rupa or 60 > > Shashtiamsas of Oochabala. On the contrary, when it occupies its > > Debilitation Point( Neechabhaga ), there is Zero Oochabala. There > is > > a gradual increase of Exaltation Strength from the Debilitation > > Point ( Neechabhaga) to the Exaltation Point ( Ucchabhaga ) , until > > at last the Bala reaches its maximum at the Oochabhaga. Conversely, > > there is a gradual decrease of Oochabala from the Exaltation Point > > to the Debilitation Point till the minimum is reached at the > > Debilitation Point > > ( Neechabhaga ) . > > > > Deduct the Debilitation Point from a planet's longitude and you get > > the > > Oocchabala. If it is in excess of 180 degrees, deduct it from 360 > > degrees & > > divide the difference by 3. This will give the Oocchabala of the > > planet. > > This is the formula for Occhabala > > Oochabala = (Planet's Longitude - Its Debilitation Point) * 60/180 > > = ( Planet's Longitude - Its Debilitation Point ) / 3 <==> > > > > > This does not mention anything abt. oochabala becoming neechabala > on > > account of retrogression...> > > > For me retro saturn is placed at 9* libra....so it should be > > debilitated according to the first statement!!!? But then it has > > given me good results during antardashas, as it should, going by > the > > second statement and by Shreenadh!!!> > > > Can u check the degree of your Mercury, Jyothi? (So u r a > > Gemini?!...i am not surprised!)> > > > love,> > vinita> > > > , "jyothi_b_lakshmi" > > <jyothi_b_lakshmi@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Srinadhji, Vinitaji,> > > > > > I do not know if exalted retro behaves as debilated. But if I am > > to > > > say my experience, I had Mercury, 4th lord (exalted retro in 4th) > > > dasa till 4 years. Though 3-4 years are just the baby stages of > > ones > > > education, I had got 2 silver medals and 2 certificates of Kerala > > > govt (each for studies and drawing) within that last phase of > > > mercury. So I think as you said, benefic if exalted retro can > give > > > excellent results.> > > > > > Regards,> > > Jyothi > > > > > > > > > , "Sreenadh" > > > <sreesog@> wrote:> > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Vinita ji,> > > > ==>> > > > retro exalted planet (and therefore neech) giving good results.> > > > <==> > > > Oh!! That is really something new to me! Retrograde planets > in> > > > exaltation should be considered as debilitated?!! I don't think > > so.> > > > * Retrograde planet in exaltation, if it is a benefic will > > > surely give> > > > excellent good results.> > > > * Retrograde planet in exaltation, if it is a malefic then > > will > > > give> > > > good results by the end of the dasa, but will cause much > > unwantered> > > > trouble, hard work, wandering (travel) and suffering during its > > > desa as> > > > well.> > > > Now coming to Sa in 6th for Taurus Lagna -> > > > * Sa is yogakaraka because it owns 9th and 10th house from > > Taurus> > > > Lagna> > > > * But many classics such as Bhavartha Ratnakara & Leghu > Jataka> > > > presents a corollary and indicate that - Saturn CANNOT give the > > full> > > > results as yogakaraka for Tarus laga. (exalted in 6th > > debilitated > > > from> > > > 12th from Tarus).> > > > Combining these two points we can only expect "a fairly > good > > > period"> > > > in the Antar dasa of Saturn; i.e. Almost the continuation of > the > > > results> > > > the native was experiencing. On the Job front some special good > > > results> > > > can be expected because, Sa is the significator of 10th house, > > owns > > > 10th> > > > house, and is placed in 6th house indicating service. Thus a > > > native in> > > > service will definitely receive the beneficial results of > Saturn > > > during> > > > this period. But otherwise owning to the fact that it gives too > > much> > > > travel, hard word, efforts fructifying after much delay only > > etc - > > > the> > > > period can be said only as providing "fairly good results" and > > not> > > > excellent.> > > > Note: The exalted planet in retrograde CANNOT be considered > as > > in> > > > debilitation. It IS an Exalted planet!> > > > Love and regards,> > > > Sreenadh> > > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2007 Report Share Posted December 25, 2007 Dear Srinadhji, Thank you for the info. I guess, it was my mistake in understanding. Regards, Jyothi , " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote: > > > Dear Jyotiji and Vinta ji, > Exaltation means " Sign of Exaltation " . If Sun is in Aries, where > ever it be in Aries- it is exalted. It is just that 10 degree (i.e. 9.00 > to 10.00) is the maximum degree of exaltation or deep exaltation degree > of Sun in Aries. Same holds true for all the other planets regarding > their exaltation debilitation Signs and deep exaltation debilitation > degrees. > It is only for the Moola triknona concept that the concept of > particular degrees span within the sign applies. Also note that none > use this Moolatrikona concept much in natal horoscopes :=) Yes, > Moolatrikona concept can be intuitively applied in natal chart reading > and prasna as done by many traditional astrologers - but please don't > divert the discussion into this, since we will discuss it in detail > later when we speak about " Sign Base " result derivation techniques used > in 7-fold. > Love and regards, > Sreenadh > , " jyothi_b_lakshmi " > <jyothi_b_lakshmi@> wrote: > > > > Dear Vinithaji, > > > > Even I had so much of confusions about retro exalted after reading > > from some books that such planets will behave as debilated. > > Especially when there is a range of degrees only within which a > > planet is said to be exalted. (Like mercury is exalted only in first > > 15 degrees). So again this confusion arises whether after this > > specified range, can't a planet be considered as exalted? If it > > cannot, then exalted+retro=debilated will not work, because as per > > that rule the planet is not exalted. The problem is that people who > > wrote down all these rules never gave a satsifactory explanation > > themselves. So we are eternally confused. Each one can go by their > > experience, but as you said, it varies globally. Anyway, I think > > retrograde planets gain strength as is again said by the texts. > > > > BTW, my mercury is in 29 degrees:). > > > > Warm regards, > > Jyothi > > > > , " vinita kumar " > > shankar_mamta@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Jyothi and Shreenadh, > > > > > > actually, i too rely on experience for deriving conclusions. the > > > trouble with such derivations, u will agree, is that they are > > > localised and may not be universal. > > > > > > since i have picked up bits and pieces of information from here and > > > there rather than from systematic research or readings of original > > > texts it is difficult to attribute correctness to these statements. > > > there are several places where i have come across the statement > > that > > > an exalted retro planet acts as a debilitated planet...but one has > > > to introduce some refinement in this statement as is evident from > > > the following message: > > > > > > > > > > > gbp_kumar > > > > Wed, 26 Jul 2006 10:31:47 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > > > > Re: How Retrogate Planet work? 28/7 > > > > > > > > ==>Milan > > > > one of my Gurus late sri K. ashwatappa an engineer with 14 > > academic > > > > records/degrees] learnt sanskrit, astrology at 55 he also co- > > > founded > > > > ICAS with BV RAMAN said > > > > > > > > treat planets strong , benefic till they reach the exalted point > > > back > > > > wards and weak if after it > > > > say Guru if retro after 3 deg or 5 deg kataka or even 2 Deg > > Makara > > > it > > > > is good, but if he is reterro before 2d eg 59 min in kataka treat > > > it as > > > > neeca retro > > > > and so on<== > > > > > > > http://www.articlewisdom.com/Article/Vedic-Astrology-38/93 > > > > > > This is somewhat in contradiction with another write-up at: > > > > > > http://www.articlewisdom.com/Article/Vedic-Astrology-38/93 > > > > > > ==>The strengths of planets are measured in Rupas. A Rupa consists > > > of 60 > > > Shashtiamsas. > > > > > > 1) Exaltation Strength - Occhabala > > > Occhabala is the Exaltation strength. For instance,the largest > > > planet Jupiter is deeply exalted at 5 degrees Cancer. At 5 degrees > > > Cancer, Jupiter attains a full strength of 60 Shashtiamsas or a > > > Rupa. All planets have certain Exaltation points ( Oochabhagas ) & > > > Debilitation Points ( Neechabhagas ). > > > When a planet occupies its Oochabhaga, it gets One rupa or 60 > > > Shashtiamsas of Oochabala. On the contrary, when it occupies its > > > Debilitation Point( Neechabhaga ), there is Zero Oochabala. There > > is > > > a gradual increase of Exaltation Strength from the Debilitation > > > Point ( Neechabhaga) to the Exaltation Point ( Ucchabhaga ) , until > > > at last the Bala reaches its maximum at the Oochabhaga. Conversely, > > > there is a gradual decrease of Oochabala from the Exaltation Point > > > to the Debilitation Point till the minimum is reached at the > > > Debilitation Point > > > ( Neechabhaga ) . > > > > > > Deduct the Debilitation Point from a planet's longitude and you get > > > the > > > Oocchabala. If it is in excess of 180 degrees, deduct it from 360 > > > degrees & > > > divide the difference by 3. This will give the Oocchabala of the > > > planet. > > > This is the formula for Occhabala > > > Oochabala = (Planet's Longitude - Its Debilitation Point) * 60/180 > > > = ( Planet's Longitude - Its Debilitation Point ) / 3 <== > > > > > > > > > This does not mention anything abt. oochabala becoming neechabala > > on > > > account of retrogression... > > > > > > For me retro saturn is placed at 9* libra....so it should be > > > debilitated according to the first statement!!!? But then it has > > > given me good results during antardashas, as it should, going by > > the > > > second statement and by Shreenadh!!! > > > > > > Can u check the degree of your Mercury, Jyothi? (So u r a > > > Gemini?!...i am not surprised!) > > > > > > love, > > > vinita > > > > > > --- In , " jyothi_b_lakshmi " > > > <jyothi_b_lakshmi@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Srinadhji, Vinitaji, > > > > > > > > I do not know if exalted retro behaves as debilated. But if I am > > > to > > > > say my experience, I had Mercury, 4th lord (exalted retro in 4th) > > > > dasa till 4 years. Though 3-4 years are just the baby stages of > > > ones > > > > education, I had got 2 silver medals and 2 certificates of Kerala > > > > govt (each for studies and drawing) within that last phase of > > > > mercury. So I think as you said, benefic if exalted retro can > > give > > > > excellent results. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Jyothi > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Sreenadh " > > > > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vinita ji, > > > > > ==> > > > > > retro exalted planet (and therefore neech) giving good results. > > > > > <== > > > > > Oh!! That is really something new to me! Retrograde planets > > in > > > > > exaltation should be considered as debilitated?!! I don't think > > > so. > > > > > * Retrograde planet in exaltation, if it is a benefic will > > > > surely give > > > > > excellent good results. > > > > > * Retrograde planet in exaltation, if it is a malefic then > > > will > > > > give > > > > > good results by the end of the dasa, but will cause much > > > unwantered > > > > > trouble, hard work, wandering (travel) and suffering during its > > > > desa as > > > > > well. > > > > > Now coming to Sa in 6th for Taurus Lagna - > > > > > * Sa is yogakaraka because it owns 9th and 10th house from > > > Taurus > > > > > Lagna > > > > > * But many classics such as Bhavartha Ratnakara & Leghu > > Jataka > > > > > presents a corollary and indicate that - Saturn CANNOT give the > > > full > > > > > results as yogakaraka for Tarus laga. (exalted in 6th > > > debilitated > > > > from > > > > > 12th from Tarus). > > > > > Combining these two points we can only expect " a fairly > > good > > > > period " > > > > > in the Antar dasa of Saturn; i.e. Almost the continuation of > > the > > > > results > > > > > the native was experiencing. On the Job front some special good > > > > results > > > > > can be expected because, Sa is the significator of 10th house, > > > owns > > > > 10th > > > > > house, and is placed in 6th house indicating service. Thus a > > > > native in > > > > > service will definitely receive the beneficial results of > > Saturn > > > > during > > > > > this period. But otherwise owning to the fact that it gives too > > > much > > > > > travel, hard word, efforts fructifying after much delay only > > > etc - > > > > the > > > > > period can be said only as providing " fairly good results " and > > > not > > > > > excellent. > > > > > Note: The exalted planet in retrograde CANNOT be considered > > as > > > in > > > > > debilitation. It IS an Exalted planet! > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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