Combination - what does it mean?

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i was just going thru some messages on combination of planets and

wondered what was the meaning of this word. i think in most of the

messages i read combination was taken to be placement of 2 planets in

the same sign. But can't combinations be of various

types?....conjunction (yuti), aspect(drishti), exchange(parivartana)?

Can somebody explain the difference in influence when planets combine

in these ways? What do ancient texts say about these different types

of combination and the difference in terms of potency and quality of

their influence. What is the importance of actual degrees in

combinations...?For instance for any conjunction if 2 planets are

separated by 29 degrees in the same sign it would not be the same

being separated by only 2 degrees, i suppose. What if the difference

is 2 degrees between 2 planets but the signs change???

 

Is conjunction more potent than aspect or parivartana? Do degrees

matter in aspect and parivartan also or only signs are relevant?

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Dear Vinita ji,

==>

> can't combinations be of various

> types?....conjunction (yuti), aspect(drishti), exchange

> (parivartana)?

<==

Yes, combination can be of different types - actually I

feel 'relation' (Sambandha) is a better word. Astro classics speak

about 5 major types of Sambhadha (relations). Explore it

Now coming to the 3 major relations (or combinations) you mentioned,

the astro classics provide clearly distinct results and prediction

based of all thee of them - viz. 1) Conjuncion(Yuti) 2) Aspect

(Drishti) and 3) Exchange (Parivartana)

But the result first 2 are mainly related to significance of

planets - and the week brains like us can consider both us the same

in several situation - even though separate/distinct results are

mentioned for the same in classics. They are part of Planet Base

result derivation technique.

As of the 3rd - viz Exchange - the same is related to the ownership

of the signs and houses as well - and thus is part of the Sign-House-

Planet Base result derivation technique.

==>

> What is the importance of actual degrees in

> combinations...?

<==

A combination means same signs, or aspect between planets from

different signs etc, and the degrees of difference DOES NOT come into

picture here. As per ancient indian astrology 'Degrees in difference'

is part of Varga based result derivation - and bringing it into the

discussion of conjunction (or even aspect) would be against the

spirit and advice of the ancient indian astrological predictive

system.

Love,

Sreenadh

 

, " vinita kumar "

<shankar_mamta wrote:

>

> i was just going thru some messages on combination of planets and

> wondered what was the meaning of this word. i think in most of the

> messages i read combination was taken to be placement of 2 planets

in

> the same sign. But can't combinations be of various

> types?....conjunction (yuti), aspect(drishti), exchange

(parivartana)?

> Can somebody explain the difference in influence when planets

combine

> in these ways? What do ancient texts say about these different

types

> of combination and the difference in terms of potency and quality

of

> their influence. What is the importance of actual degrees in

> combinations...?For instance for any conjunction if 2 planets are

> separated by 29 degrees in the same sign it would not be the same

> being separated by only 2 degrees, i suppose. What if the

difference

> is 2 degrees between 2 planets but the signs change???

>

> Is conjunction more potent than aspect or parivartana? Do degrees

> matter in aspect and parivartan also or only signs are relevant?

>

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Dear Shreenadhji,

 

" A combination means same signs, or aspect between planets from

different signs etc, and the degrees of difference DOES NOT come into

picture here " .

 

But doesn't it?... as in the case of combustion? if it can matter

for planets close to the sun in the same sign, why cannot it matter

for proximity of other planets???Supposing two planets are within 2-

3 degrees of each other in the same sign whould their effect have

been the same if one had been at say the 1st degree of the sign and

the other at the 29th degree?...am just wondering whether this is

discussed as part of the clasical system or not? Are degrees only of

relevance for divisionals? aren't they also taken into account while

considering exaltation and debility? Or even baal and vridha

avastha, etc. for strenght???So if planets can be strong or weak in

some degrees cannot their influence be governed by " close " proximity

as opposed to " distant " proximity? (In western astrology, though it

is a totally different system, stellium, or very close proximity of

3 or more planets, is considered to be an important influence....But

i know i shouldn't mix up the two)

 

Conversely, if there are two planets in close proximity, say within

2 degrees of each other, but in different signs, according to u /

the classics, there is NO sambandh between the two????????

 

" Astro classics speak

> about 5 major types of Sambhadha (relations). Explore it "

 

Long time back i learnt abt this in one of the lessons of

Sanjayrathji....but i have clean forgotton... guess i am getting old

and rusty:(

 

how abt. helping out;))

 

Best regards,

vinita

 

 

 

 

, " Sreenadh "

<sreesog wrote:

>

> Dear Vinita ji,

> ==>

> > can't combinations be of various

> > types?....conjunction (yuti), aspect(drishti), exchange

> > (parivartana)?

> <==

> Yes, combination can be of different types - actually I

> feel 'relation' (Sambandha) is a better word. Astro classics speak

> about 5 major types of Sambhadha (relations). Explore it

> Now coming to the 3 major relations (or combinations) you

mentioned,

> the astro classics provide clearly distinct results and prediction

> based of all thee of them - viz. 1) Conjuncion(Yuti) 2) Aspect

> (Drishti) and 3) Exchange (Parivartana)

> But the result first 2 are mainly related to significance of

> planets - and the week brains like us can consider both us the

same

> in several situation - even though separate/distinct results are

> mentioned for the same in classics. They are part of Planet Base

> result derivation technique.

> As of the 3rd - viz Exchange - the same is related to the

ownership

> of the signs and houses as well - and thus is part of the Sign-

House-

> Planet Base result derivation technique.

> ==>

> > What is the importance of actual degrees in

> > combinations...?

> <==

> A combination means same signs, or aspect between planets from

> different signs etc, and the degrees of difference DOES NOT come

into

> picture here. As per ancient indian astrology 'Degrees in

difference'

> is part of Varga based result derivation - and bringing it into

the

> discussion of conjunction (or even aspect) would be against the

> spirit and advice of the ancient indian astrological predictive

> system.

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

> , " vinita kumar "

> <shankar_mamta@> wrote:

> >

> > i was just going thru some messages on combination of planets

and

> > wondered what was the meaning of this word. i think in most of

the

> > messages i read combination was taken to be placement of 2

planets

> in

> > the same sign. But can't combinations be of various

> > types?....conjunction (yuti), aspect(drishti), exchange

> (parivartana)?

> > Can somebody explain the difference in influence when planets

> combine

> > in these ways? What do ancient texts say about these different

> types

> > of combination and the difference in terms of potency and

quality

> of

> > their influence. What is the importance of actual degrees in

> > combinations...?For instance for any conjunction if 2 planets

are

> > separated by 29 degrees in the same sign it would not be the

same

> > being separated by only 2 degrees, i suppose. What if the

> difference

> > is 2 degrees between 2 planets but the signs change???

> >

> > Is conjunction more potent than aspect or parivartana? Do

degrees

> > matter in aspect and parivartan also or only signs are relevant?

> >

>

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Dear Vinita ji & Sreenadh ji,

 

" For instance for any conjunction if 2 planets are

separated by 29 degrees in the same sign it would not be the same

being separated by only 2 degrees, i suppose. What if the

difference is 2 degrees between 2 planets but the signs change??? "

 

" ....and the degrees of difference DOES NOT come into

picture here. "

 

Countries are demarcated by borders. For example as in Palastene-

Israel border, it does not matter whether one lives near the border

line or further away from the border, if one lives within the

premises of Palastene, one will be a fully-fledged Palastinian, and

not an Israelis. I suppose same rule applies to planets placed in

different signs too. Two planets, though 29 degrees apart but in the

same sign will be housed in the same premises. Hence they can be

taken as in conjunction. On the other hand even if they are 2

degrees apart but in two different signs, they will be housed in

different signs. Hence they are not in conjunction.

 

Kindly correct me if I am wrong.

 

blessings

 

Renu

, " Sreenadh "

<sreesog wrote:

>

> Dear Vinita ji,

> ==>

> > can't combinations be of various

> > types?....conjunction (yuti), aspect(drishti), exchange

> > (parivartana)?

> <==

> Yes, combination can be of different types - actually I

> feel 'relation' (Sambandha) is a better word. Astro classics speak

> about 5 major types of Sambhadha (relations). Explore it

> Now coming to the 3 major relations (or combinations) you

mentioned,

> the astro classics provide clearly distinct results and prediction

> based of all thee of them - viz. 1) Conjuncion(Yuti) 2) Aspect

> (Drishti) and 3) Exchange (Parivartana)

> But the result first 2 are mainly related to significance of

> planets - and the week brains like us can consider both us the

same

> in several situation - even though separate/distinct results are

> mentioned for the same in classics. They are part of Planet Base

> result derivation technique.

> As of the 3rd - viz Exchange - the same is related to the

ownership

> of the signs and houses as well - and thus is part of the Sign-

House-

> Planet Base result derivation technique.

> ==>

> > What is the importance of actual degrees in

> > combinations...?

> <==

> A combination means same signs, or aspect between planets from

> different signs etc, and the degrees of difference DOES NOT come

into

> picture here. As per ancient indian astrology 'Degrees in

difference'

> is part of Varga based result derivation - and bringing it into

the

> discussion of conjunction (or even aspect) would be against the

> spirit and advice of the ancient indian astrological predictive

> system.

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

> , " vinita kumar "

> <shankar_mamta@> wrote:

> >

> > i was just going thru some messages on combination of planets

and

> > wondered what was the meaning of this word. i think in most of

the

> > messages i read combination was taken to be placement of 2

planets

> in

> > the same sign. But can't combinations be of various

> > types?....conjunction (yuti), aspect(drishti), exchange

> (parivartana)?

> > Can somebody explain the difference in influence when planets

> combine

> > in these ways? What do ancient texts say about these different

> types

> > of combination and the difference in terms of potency and

quality

> of

> > their influence. What is the importance of actual degrees in

> > combinations...?For instance for any conjunction if 2 planets

are

> > separated by 29 degrees in the same sign it would not be the

same

> > being separated by only 2 degrees, i suppose. What if the

> difference

> > is 2 degrees between 2 planets but the signs change???

> >

> > Is conjunction more potent than aspect or parivartana? Do

degrees

> > matter in aspect and parivartan also or only signs are relevant?

> >

>

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dear friend

 

your last query is an interesting one since most astrologers construe

that if two planets are in two different signs but their difference

is only two degrees, these two planets are not treated as conjunct.

the zodiac signs are astronomical divisions of the sky. unlike the

erstwhile berlin wall that separated the two germanies, there are no

walls between these signs in the sky and hence if the planets are

placed in juxtaposition with just two degrees difference but in two

different signs, these shall be logically conjunct!

 

this is precisely the reason why kemadruma yoga is created when there

is no planet in the house before and next to moon. but the same

kemadruma yoga gets cancelled if there is any planet that is in

conjunction with moon. suppose moon is in taurus, if any planet is

in aries, taurus or gemini, there is no kemadruma yoga. the

negative sadesathi affect of saturn is also calcualted similarly.

hence your observation of two planets conjunct within two degrees but

in two different signs needs to be thrown more light.

 

with best wishes and blessings

pandit arjun

www.rudraksharemedy.com

 

, " vinita kumar "

<shankar_mamta wrote:

>

> i was just going thru some messages on combination of planets and

> wondered what was the meaning of this word. i think in most of the

> messages i read combination was taken to be placement of 2 planets

in

> the same sign. But can't combinations be of various

> types?....conjunction (yuti), aspect(drishti), exchange

(parivartana)?

> Can somebody explain the difference in influence when planets

combine

> in these ways? What do ancient texts say about these different

types

> of combination and the difference in terms of potency and quality

of

> their influence. What is the importance of actual degrees in

> combinations...?For instance for any conjunction if 2 planets are

> separated by 29 degrees in the same sign it would not be the same

> being separated by only 2 degrees, i suppose. What if the

difference

> is 2 degrees between 2 planets but the signs change???

>

> Is conjunction more potent than aspect or parivartana? Do degrees

> matter in aspect and parivartan also or only signs are relevant?

>

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Dear Madam,

Let us take an analogy, of less than One Degree difference at "our borders" i.e India-Pakistan, Pakistan-China, India-China !! People on either side of "fence" are generally not so much bother about his as much as the people "resting" in their respective capitals !!

There has lot of debate in past over this, even Late Sri P.S. Shastry has concluded that the zodaic is divided on "equal house" basis.

The use of "Sudharshan Chakra" would give better picture, for the "difference in degree" would result in change in "amsa " position !!...

"Near Degrees" concept and its Octave Vibration, is probably a western astrology concept or Tajak Concept, to an extent also used in Prasna Marga i.e. Mother scripture !!

with regards,

sreeram_srinivas

, "vinita kumar" <shankar_mamta wrote: Dear Shreenadhji, "A combination means same signs, or aspect between planets from different signs etc, and the degrees of difference DOES NOT come into picture here". But doesn't it?... as in the case of combustion? if it can matter for planets close to the sun in the same sign, why cannot it matter for proximity of other planets???Supposing two planets are within 2- 3 degrees of each other in the same sign whould their effect have been the same if one had been at say the 1st degree of the sign and the other at the 29th degree?...am just wondering whether this is discussed as part of the clasical system or not? Are degrees only of relevance for divisionals? aren't they also taken into account while considering exaltation and debility? Or even baal and vridha avastha, etc. for strenght???So if planets can be strong or weak in some degrees cannot their influence be governed by "close" proximity as opposed to "distant" proximity? (In western astrology, though it is a totally different system, stellium, or very close proximity of 3 or more planets, is considered to be an important influence....But i know i shouldn't mix up the two) Conversely, if there are two planets in close proximity, say within 2 degrees of each other, but in different signs, according to u / the classics, there is NO sambandh between the two???????? "Astro classics speak about 5 major types of Sambhadha (relations). Explore it ;)" Long time back i learnt abt this in one of the lessons of Sanjayrathji....but i have clean forgotton... guess i am getting old and rusty:( how abt. helping out;)) Best regards,vinita

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I don't know if the country border is a right analogy here. Even then, if we put up a bright light in our area close to the boarder, will the light not reach the other side of the border? When combustion can take place across Rasi boarders, how can we say the other planetory influences stop right at the Rasi border? Is there a solid wall at the Rasi border? Amsahs change within a sign as well. But, how is it relevant to the question being debated? Regards, Krishnasreeram srinivas <sreeram64 wrote: Dear Madam, Let us take an analogy, of less than One Degree difference at "our borders" i.e India-Pakistan, Pakistan-China, India-China !! People on either side of "fence" are generally not so much bother about his as much as the people "resting" in their respective capitals !! There has lot of debate in past over this, even Late Sri P.S. Shastry has concluded that the zodaic is divided on "equal house" basis. The use of "Sudharshan Chakra" would give better picture, for the "difference in degree" would result in change in "amsa " position !!... "Near Degrees" concept and its Octave Vibration, is probably a western astrology concept or Tajak Concept, to an extent also used in Prasna Marga i.e. Mother scripture !! with regards, sreeram_srinivas --- In

, "vinita kumar" <shankar_mamta wrote: Dear Shreenadhji, "A combination means same signs, or aspect between planets from different signs etc, and the degrees of difference DOES NOT come into picture here". But doesn't it?... as in the case of combustion? if it can matter for planets close to the sun in the same sign, why cannot it matter for proximity of other planets???Supposing two planets are within 2- 3 degrees of each other in the same sign whould their effect have been the same if one had been at say the 1st degree of the sign and the other at the 29th degree?...am just wondering whether this is discussed as part of the clasical system or not? Are degrees only of relevance for divisionals? aren't they also taken into account while considering exaltation and debility? Or

even baal and vridha avastha, etc. for strenght???So if planets can be strong or weak in some degrees cannot their influence be governed by "close" proximity as opposed to "distant" proximity? (In western astrology, though it is a totally different system, stellium, or very close proximity of 3 or more planets, is considered to be an important influence....But i know i shouldn't mix up the two) Conversely, if there are two planets in close proximity, say within 2 degrees of each other, but in different signs, according to u / the classics, there is NO sambandh between the two???????? "Astro classics speak about 5 major types of Sambhadha (relations). Explore it ;)" Long time back i learnt abt this in one of the lessons of Sanjayrathji....but i have clean forgotton... guess i am getting old and rusty:( how abt. helping

out;)) Best regards,vinita

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Planets are influenced by both their neighbours and the sign that they are situated in. When planets are at the begining or end of the house, ( degrees less than 3) from the border, we may have to check the CHALIT, BHAVACHALIT to see how they are being influenced. I hope all the learned members will throw more light if the above is true.

P.S it is said that at end of a MD the subsequent MD's results also start manifesting.---

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Well said sir.panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote: dear friendyour last query is an interesting one since most astrologers construe that if two planets are in two different signs but their difference is only two degrees, these two planets are not treated as conjunct. the zodiac signs are astronomical divisions of the sky. unlike the erstwhile berlin wall that separated the two germanies, there are no walls between these signs in the sky and hence if the planets are placed in juxtaposition with just two

degrees difference but in two different signs, these shall be logically conjunct!this is precisely the reason why kemadruma yoga is created when there is no planet in the house before and next to moon. but the same kemadruma yoga gets cancelled if there is any planet that is in conjunction with moon. suppose moon is in taurus, if any planet is in aries, taurus or gemini, there is no kemadruma yoga. the negative sadesathi affect of saturn is also calcualted similarly. hence your observation of two planets conjunct within two degrees but in two different signs needs to be thrown more light.with best wishes and blessingspandit arjunwww.rudraksharemedy.com , "vinita kumar" <shankar_mamta wrote:>> i was just going thru some messages on combination of

planets and > wondered what was the meaning of this word. i think in most of the > messages i read combination was taken to be placement of 2 planets in > the same sign. But can't combinations be of various > types?....conjunction (yuti), aspect(drishti), exchange(parivartana)? > Can somebody explain the difference in influence when planets combine > in these ways? What do ancient texts say about these different types > of combination and the difference in terms of potency and quality of > their influence. What is the importance of actual degrees in > combinations...?For instance for any conjunction if 2 planets are > separated by 29 degrees in the same sign it would not be the same > being separated by only 2 degrees, i suppose. What if the difference > is 2 degrees between 2 planets but the signs change??? > > Is conjunction more

potent than aspect or parivartana? Do degrees > matter in aspect and parivartan also or only signs are relevant?>

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Dear Vinita ji,

==>

> as in the case of combustion? if it can matter

> for planets close to the sun in the same sign, why

cannot it matter

> for proximity of other planets???

<==

I NEVER SAID that

"proximity is not important" - but rather what I said was - "A

combination means same signs, or aspect between planets from different signs

etc, and the degrees of difference DOES NOT come into picture here".

Means, in speaking out results for conjunction or aspect - it should not be considered.

Otherwise you will be mixing up multiple things (as many does now a days) and

will be afraid to speak out any results at all - forgetting the base rule in

astrology that "There is NO cancellation, but only modification". Or

in other words all the results told in Rishi horas for conjunction/aspect apply

- irrespective of whether combustion or proximity.

Whether it be combustion

or proximity (as we have considered in the discussion of Sun-Moon combination)

is another branch - and the result told for them too is important and DOES

apply. For example proximity results are reflected through the analysis of

Vargas.

So the essence of the

advice is - Speak out both - conjunction/aspect results AND proximity (which

include combustion/thithi results etc as well) results. And for sure both of

them APPLIES, and will be true.

Note: We will

consider the sambandha (relation) controversy in another mail. As I know

well, you are getting young every day - and I think you yourself or renu ji

mentioned that you are 16 now.

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

, "vinita kumar" <shankar_mamta wrote:>> Dear Shreenadhji,> > "A combination means same signs, or aspect between planets from> different signs etc, and the degrees of difference DOES NOT come into> picture here".> > But doesn't it?... as in the case of combustion? if it can matter > for planets close to the sun in the same sign, why cannot it matter > for proximity of other planets???Supposing two planets are within 2-> 3 degrees of each other in the same sign whould their effect have > been the same if one had been at say the 1st degree of the sign and > the other at the 29th degree?...am just wondering whether this is > discussed as part of the clasical system or not? Are degrees only of > relevance for divisionals? aren't they also taken into account while > considering exaltation and debility? Or even baal and vridha > avastha, etc. for strenght???So if planets can be strong or weak in > some degrees cannot their influence be governed by "close" proximity > as opposed to "distant" proximity? (In western astrology, though it > is a totally different system, stellium, or very close proximity of > 3 or more planets, is considered to be an important influence....But > i know i shouldn't mix up the two)> > Conversely, if there are two planets in close proximity, say within > 2 degrees of each other, but in different signs, according to u / > the classics, there is NO sambandh between the two????????> > "Astro classics speak > > about 5 major types of Sambhadha (relations). Explore it ;)"> > Long time back i learnt abt this in one of the lessons of > Sanjayrathji....but i have clean forgotton... guess i am getting old > and rusty:(> > how abt. helping out;))> > Best regards,> vinita> > > > > , "Sreenadh" > sreesog@ wrote:> >> > Dear Vinita ji,> > ==>> > > can't combinations be of various > > > types?....conjunction (yuti), aspect(drishti), exchange> > > (parivartana)? > > <== > > Yes, combination can be of different types - actually I > > feel 'relation' (Sambandha) is a better word. Astro classics speak > > about 5 major types of Sambhadha (relations). Explore it > > Now coming to the 3 major relations (or combinations) you > mentioned, > > the astro classics provide clearly distinct results and prediction > > based of all thee of them - viz. 1) Conjuncion(Yuti) 2) Aspect > > (Drishti) and 3) Exchange (Parivartana)> > But the result first 2 are mainly related to significance of > > planets - and the week brains like us can consider both us the > same > > in several situation - even though separate/distinct results are > > mentioned for the same in classics. They are part of Planet Base > > result derivation technique.> > As of the 3rd - viz Exchange - the same is related to the > ownership > > of the signs and houses as well - and thus is part of the Sign-> House-> > Planet Base result derivation technique. > > ==>> > > What is the importance of actual degrees in > > > combinations...?> > <==> > A combination means same signs, or aspect between planets from > > different signs etc, and the degrees of difference DOES NOT come > into > > picture here. As per ancient indian astrology 'Degrees in > difference' > > is part of Varga based result derivation - and bringing it into > the > > discussion of conjunction (or even aspect) would be against the > > spirit and advice of the ancient indian astrological predictive > > system. > > Love,> > Sreenadh> > > > , "vinita kumar" > > <shankar_mamta@> wrote:> > >> > > i was just going thru some messages on combination of planets > and > > > wondered what was the meaning of this word. i think in most of > the > > > messages i read combination was taken to be placement of 2 > planets > > in > > > the same sign. But can't combinations be of various > > > types?....conjunction (yuti), aspect(drishti), exchange> > (parivartana)? > > > Can somebody explain the difference in influence when planets > > combine > > > in these ways? What do ancient texts say about these different > > types > > > of combination and the difference in terms of potency and > quality > > of > > > their influence. What is the importance of actual degrees in > > > combinations...?For instance for any conjunction if 2 planets > are > > > separated by 29 degrees in the same sign it would not be the > same > > > being separated by only 2 degrees, i suppose. What if the > > difference > > > is 2 degrees between 2 planets but the signs change??? > > > > > > Is conjunction more potent than aspect or parivartana? Do > degrees > > > matter in aspect and parivartan also or only signs are relevant?> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Dear Renu ji and Vinita ji,

==>

> Two planets, though 29 degrees apart but in the

> same sign will be housed in the same premises. Hence they can be

> taken as in conjunction. On the other hand even if they are 2

> degrees apart but in two different signs, they will be housed in

> different signs. Hence they are not in conjunction.

<==

Yes, I agree to it perfectly.

Love and regards,

Sreeenadh

, "renunw" <renunw wrote:>> Dear Vinita ji & Sreenadh ji,> > "For instance for any conjunction if 2 planets are > separated by 29 degrees in the same sign it would not be the same > being separated by only 2 degrees, i suppose. What if the > difference is 2 degrees between 2 planets but the signs change??? "> > "....and the degrees of difference DOES NOT come into> picture here. "> > Countries are demarcated by borders. For example as in Palastene- > Israel border, it does not matter whether one lives near the border > line or further away from the border, if one lives within the > premises of Palastene, one will be a fully-fledged Palastinian, and > not an Israelis. I suppose same rule applies to planets placed in > different signs too. Two planets, though 29 degrees apart but in the > same sign will be housed in the same premises. Hence they can be > taken as in conjunction. On the other hand even if they are 2 > degrees apart but in two different signs, they will be housed in > different signs. Hence they are not in conjunction.> > Kindly correct me if I am wrong.> > blessings> > Renu> , "Sreenadh" > sreesog@ wrote:> >> > Dear Vinita ji,> > ==>> > > can't combinations be of various > > > types?....conjunction (yuti), aspect(drishti), exchange> > > (parivartana)? > > <== > > Yes, combination can be of different types - actually I > > feel 'relation' (Sambandha) is a better word. Astro classics speak > > about 5 major types of Sambhadha (relations). Explore it > > Now coming to the 3 major relations (or combinations) you > mentioned, > > the astro classics provide clearly distinct results and prediction > > based of all thee of them - viz. 1) Conjuncion(Yuti) 2) Aspect > > (Drishti) and 3) Exchange (Parivartana)> > But the result first 2 are mainly related to significance of > > planets - and the week brains like us can consider both us the > same > > in several situation - even though separate/distinct results are > > mentioned for the same in classics. They are part of Planet Base > > result derivation technique.> > As of the 3rd - viz Exchange - the same is related to the > ownership > > of the signs and houses as well - and thus is part of the Sign-> House-> > Planet Base result derivation technique. > > ==>> > > What is the importance of actual degrees in > > > combinations...?> > <==> > A combination means same signs, or aspect between planets from > > different signs etc, and the degrees of difference DOES NOT come > into > > picture here. As per ancient indian astrology 'Degrees in > difference' > > is part of Varga based result derivation - and bringing it into > the > > discussion of conjunction (or even aspect) would be against the > > spirit and advice of the ancient indian astrological predictive > > system. > > Love,> > Sreenadh> > > > , "vinita kumar" > > <shankar_mamta@> wrote:> > >> > > i was just going thru some messages on combination of planets > and > > > wondered what was the meaning of this word. i think in most of > the > > > messages i read combination was taken to be placement of 2 > planets > > in > > > the same sign. But can't combinations be of various > > > types?....conjunction (yuti), aspect(drishti), exchange> > (parivartana)? > > > Can somebody explain the difference in influence when planets > > combine > > > in these ways? What do ancient texts say about these different > > types > > > of combination and the difference in terms of potency and > quality > > of > > > their influence. What is the importance of actual degrees in > > > combinations...?For instance for any conjunction if 2 planets > are > > > separated by 29 degrees in the same sign it would not be the > same > > > being separated by only 2 degrees, i suppose. What if the > > difference > > > is 2 degrees between 2 planets but the signs change??? > > > > > > Is conjunction more potent than aspect or parivartana? Do > degrees > > > matter in aspect and parivartan also or only signs are relevant?> > >> >>

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Dear Arjun ji,

Even though there is

no berline wall there is a logical constuction/division of zodiac in to signs,

nakshatras etc (as well the use of Vargas). The whole astrology is seated on

the premise of "assigning manifestation/reality to the unmanifest/unmesuresurable

time" OR may be I should try to express the same idea in other words "In the personification of time and space

that CANNOT be personified" - This is limitation of the human mind and

that is why this methodology. If you or anyone does not agree/follow this -

then it can not be said that - you are any more following ancient indian system

of astrology, since the Signs and Nakshatra divisions DOES NOT exist you for

any more!!! :=)

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

 

, "panditarjun2004" <panditarjun2004 wrote:>> dear friend> > your last query is an interesting one since most astrologers construe > that if two planets are in two different signs but their difference > is only two degrees, these two planets are not treated as conjunct. > the zodiac signs are astronomical divisions of the sky. unlike the > erstwhile berlin wall that separated the two germanies, there are no > walls between these signs in the sky and hence if the planets are > placed in juxtaposition with just two degrees difference but in two > different signs, these shall be logically conjunct!> > this is precisely the reason why kemadruma yoga is created when there > is no planet in the house before and next to moon. but the same > kemadruma yoga gets cancelled if there is any planet that is in > conjunction with moon. suppose moon is in taurus, if any planet is > in aries, taurus or gemini, there is no kemadruma yoga. the > negative sadesathi affect of saturn is also calcualted similarly. > hence your observation of two planets conjunct within two degrees but > in two different signs needs to be thrown more light.> > with best wishes and blessings> pandit arjun> www.rudraksharemedy.com> > , "vinita kumar" > shankar_mamta@ wrote:> >> > i was just going thru some messages on combination of planets and > > wondered what was the meaning of this word. i think in most of the > > messages i read combination was taken to be placement of 2 planets > in > > the same sign. But can't combinations be of various > > types?....conjunction (yuti), aspect(drishti), exchange> (parivartana)? > > Can somebody explain the difference in influence when planets > combine > > in these ways? What do ancient texts say about these different > types > > of combination and the difference in terms of potency and quality > of > > their influence. What is the importance of actual degrees in > > combinations...?For instance for any conjunction if 2 planets are > > separated by 29 degrees in the same sign it would not be the same > > being separated by only 2 degrees, i suppose. What if the > difference > > is 2 degrees between 2 planets but the signs change??? > > > > Is conjunction more potent than aspect or parivartana? Do degrees > > matter in aspect and parivartan also or only signs are relevant?> >>

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Dear Sreeram ji,

==>

> "Near Degrees" concept and its Octave Vibration, is probably a

western astrology concept

<==

Near Degrees IS a western astrology concept - and there too it started

ONLY with Kepler!! Even Ptolemy had a better idea about the philosophical

and logical foundations of the system, than Kepler, who lost the Signs (and

became against sign division and use of signs) along with his revelation.

The western astrologer Kepler was logical against to drop the Sign

concept and talk against the use of such divisions - once he changed his perspective/argument/stand.

But I wonder on what bases, the astrologers who still use the Sign/Nakshatra

divisions are in support of this near degree argument!!

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

 

, "sreeram srinivas" <sreeram64 wrote:>> > Dear Madam,> > Let us take an analogy, of less than One Degree difference at "our> borders" i.e India-Pakistan, Pakistan-China, India-China !! People on> either side of "fence" are generally not so much bother about his as> much as the people "resting" in their respective capitals !!> > There has lot of debate in past over this, even Late Sri P.S. Shastry> has concluded that the zodaic is divided on "equal house" basis.> > The use of "Sudharshan Chakra" would give better picture, for the> "difference in degree" would result in change in "amsa " position !!...> > "Near Degrees" concept and its Octave Vibration, is probably a western> astrology concept or Tajak Concept, to an extent also used in Prasna> Marga i.e. Mother scripture !!> > with regards,> > sreeram_srinivas> > > , "vinita kumar"> shankar_mamta@ wrote:> > Dear Shreenadhji,> > "A combination means same signs, or aspect between planets from> different signs etc, and the degrees of difference DOES NOT come into> picture here".> > But doesn't it?... as in the case of combustion? if it can matter> for planets close to the sun in the same sign, why cannot it matter> for proximity of other planets???Supposing two planets are within 2-> 3 degrees of each other in the same sign whould their effect have> been the same if one had been at say the 1st degree of the sign and> the other at the 29th degree?...am just wondering whether this is> discussed as part of the clasical system or not? Are degrees only of> relevance for divisionals? aren't they also taken into account while> considering exaltation and debility? Or even baal and vridha> avastha, etc. for strenght???So if planets can be strong or weak in> some degrees cannot their influence be governed by "close" proximity> as opposed to "distant" proximity? (In western astrology, though it> is a totally different system, stellium, or very close proximity of> 3 or more planets, is considered to be an important influence....But> i know i shouldn't mix up the two)> > Conversely, if there are two planets in close proximity, say within> 2 degrees of each other, but in different signs, according to u /> the classics, there is NO sambandh between the two????????> > "Astro classics speak about 5 major types of Sambhadha (relations).> Explore it ;)"> > Long time back i learnt abt this in one of the lessons of> Sanjayrathji....but i have clean forgotton... guess i am getting old> and rusty:(> > how abt. helping out;))> > Best regards,> vinita>

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Dear Sreeram ji,

==>

> "Near Degrees" concept and its Octave Vibration, is probably a

western astrology concept

<==

Near Degrees IS a western astrology concept - and there too it started

ONLY with Kepler!! Even Ptolemy had a better idea about the philosophical

and logical foundations of the system, than Kepler, who lost the Signs (and

became against sign division and use of signs) along with his revelation.

The western astrologer Kepler was logical against to drop the Sign

concept and talk against the use of such divisions - once he changed his perspective/argument/stand.

But I wonder on what bases, the astrologers who still use the Sign/Nakshatra

divisions are in support of this near degree argument!!

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

 

, "sreeram srinivas" <sreeram64 wrote:>> > Dear Madam,> > Let us take an analogy, of less than One Degree difference at "our> borders" i.e India-Pakistan, Pakistan-China, India-China !! People on> either side of "fence" are generally not so much bother about his as> much as the people "resting" in their respective capitals !!> > There has lot of debate in past over this, even Late Sri P.S. Shastry> has concluded that the zodaic is divided on "equal house" basis.> > The use of "Sudharshan Chakra" would give better picture, for the> "difference in degree" would result in change in "amsa " position !!...> > "Near Degrees" concept and its Octave Vibration, is probably a western> astrology concept or Tajak Concept, to an extent also used in Prasna> Marga i.e. Mother scripture !!> > with regards,> > sreeram_srinivas> > > , "vinita kumar"> shankar_mamta@ wrote:> > Dear Shreenadhji,> > "A combination means same signs, or aspect between planets from> different signs etc, and the degrees of difference DOES NOT come into> picture here".> > But doesn't it?... as in the case of combustion? if it can matter> for planets close to the sun in the same sign, why cannot it matter> for proximity of other planets???Supposing two planets are within 2-> 3 degrees of each other in the same sign whould their effect have> been the same if one had been at say the 1st degree of the sign and> the other at the 29th degree?...am just wondering whether this is> discussed as part of the clasical system or not? Are degrees only of> relevance for divisionals? aren't they also taken into account while> considering exaltation and debility? Or even baal and vridha> avastha, etc. for strenght???So if planets can be strong or weak in> some degrees cannot their influence be governed by "close" proximity> as opposed to "distant" proximity? (In western astrology, though it> is a totally different system, stellium, or very close proximity of> 3 or more planets, is considered to be an important influence....But> i know i shouldn't mix up the two)> > Conversely, if there are two planets in close proximity, say within> 2 degrees of each other, but in different signs, according to u /> the classics, there is NO sambandh between the two????????> > "Astro classics speak about 5 major types of Sambhadha (relations).> Explore it ;)"> > Long time back i learnt abt this in one of the lessons of> Sanjayrathji....but i have clean forgotton... guess i am getting old> and rusty:(> > how abt. helping out;))> > Best regards,> vinita>

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Dear Mehta ji,

Please provide the quote in favor of your " Degrees less than 3 "

argument. Being ancient indian astrology group which goes as per the

views provided by the classics - otherwise your argument is just an

individual opinian which does not carry any importance (due to lack of

proper reference)

Please help us ignorants to understand - what do u mean by Chalit,

Bhava chalit etc and how do u use it - and how it is relevent to the

corrent context.

Also I don't see any connection between the " near degree " agrument

and your mentioning of Maha Dasa etc.

Regards,

Sreenadh

 

<Mehta ji wrote....>

Re: Combination - what does it mean?

 

Planets are influenced by both their neighbours and the sign that they

are situated in. When planets are at the begining or end of the house,

( degrees less than 3) from the border, we may have to check the

CHALIT, BHAVACHALIT to see how they are being influenced. I hope all

the learned members will throw more light if the above is true.

 

P.S it is said that at end of a MD the subsequent MD's results also

start manifesting.

 

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Dear Krishna ji,

==>

> Is there a solid wall at the Rasi border?

<==

There is NO WALL between the Rasi borders - but there is MUCH LIMITATION

associated with the tool (i.e. astrology) you are using! Know the

methodology and the hypothetical (projected) picture (i.e. natal chart with

sign/nakshatra/amsa divisions) used by astrology. You CANNOT drive a tool

beyond its limits! If you do you will end up breaking the tool itself and

losing even this minor tool!

The point is - for predictive purpose we need to differentiate the

results provided by the signs (even though there is no border in between),

because it is the way the tool itself is hypothised. To understand it clearly -

I request you to see the Shadvarga of the last degree of Pisces, and the first

degree of Aries - you will see what I mean! Hope this helps.

Note: I don't want to lose the tool itself, but want to "use it, as

directed (by the sages)" - and that is the point I want to make. And

I hope, that is the way any one who respectes and want to use (and derive the

correct results, as per the methodology provided by ancient indian sages will

do and follow. There is NO OTHER WAY - Either discard signs or accept the

borders, NOT as a reality, but for practical use of the tool.

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote:>>

I don't know if the country border is a right analogy here. Even then,

if we put up a bright light in our area close to the boarder, will the

light not reach the other side of the border?> > When

combustion can take place across Rasi boarders, how can we say the

other planetory influences stop right at the Rasi border? Is there a

solid wall at the Rasi border?> > Amsahs change within a sign as well. But, how is it relevant to the question being debated?> > Regards,> Krishna> > sreeram srinivas sreeram64 wrote:> Dear Madam,>

Let us take an analogy, of less than One Degree difference at "our

borders" i.e India-Pakistan, Pakistan-China, India-China !! People on

either side of "fence" are generally not so much bother about his as

much as the people "resting" in their respective capitals !! >

There has lot of debate in past over this, even Late Sri P.S. Shastry

has concluded that the zodaic is divided on "equal house" basis.>

The use of "Sudharshan Chakra" would give better picture, for the

"difference in degree" would result in change in "amsa " position !!...>

"Near Degrees" concept and its Octave Vibration, is probably a western

astrology concept or Tajak Concept, to an extent also used in Prasna

Marga i.e. Mother scripture !!> with regards,> sreeram_srinivas> > , "vinita kumar" shankar_mamta@ wrote:> > Dear Shreenadhji,> > "A combination means same signs, or aspect between planets from> different signs etc, and the degrees of difference DOES NOT come into> picture here".> > But doesn't it?... as in the case of combustion? if it can matter > for planets close to the sun in the same sign, why cannot it matter > for proximity of other planets???Supposing two planets are within 2-> 3 degrees of each other in the same sign whould their effect have > been the same if one had been at say the 1st degree of the sign and > the other at the 29th degree?...am just wondering whether this is > discussed as part of the clasical system or not? Are degrees only of > relevance for divisionals? aren't they also taken into account while > considering exaltation and debility? Or even baal and vridha > avastha, etc. for strenght???So if planets can be strong or weak in > some degrees cannot their influence be governed by "close" proximity > as opposed to "distant" proximity? (In western astrology, though it > is a totally different system, stellium, or very close proximity of > 3 or more planets, is considered to be an important influence....But > i know i shouldn't mix up the two)> > Conversely, if there are two planets in close proximity, say within > 2 degrees of each other, but in different signs, according to u / > the classics, there is NO sambandh between the two????????> > "Astro classics speak about 5 major types of Sambhadha (relations). Explore it ;)"> > Long time back i learnt abt this in one of the lessons of > Sanjayrathji....but i have clean forgotton... guess i am getting old > and rusty:(> > how abt. helping out;))> > Best regards,> vinita> > > > > > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now.>

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Dear Sreenadh ji, Varga charts are different, they are not in the physical plane, where as positions in Rasi represents planets in physical plane. Therefore, it is not fair to compare these two things. Why do we consider a planet combust when it is very close to the Sun even when it is not placed in the same sign? Regards, Krishna Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: Dear Krishna ji,==>> Is there a solid wall at the Rasi border?<== There is NO WALL between the Rasi borders - but there is MUCH LIMITATION associated with the tool (i.e. astrology) you are using! Know the methodology and the hypothetical (projected) picture (i.e. natal chart with sign/nakshatra/amsa divisions) used by astrology. You CANNOT drive a tool beyond its limits! If you do you will end up breaking the tool itself and losing even this minor tool! The point is - for predictive purpose we need to differentiate the results provided by the signs (even though there is no border in between), because it is the way the tool itself is hypothised. To understand it clearly - I request you to see the Shadvarga of the last degree of Pisces, and the first degree of Aries - you will see what I mean! Hope this helps. Note: I don't want to lose the tool itself, but want to "use it,

as directed (by the sages)" - and that is the point I want to make. And I hope, that is the way any one who respectes and want to use (and derive the correct results, as per the methodology provided by ancient indian sages will do and follow. There is NO OTHER WAY - Either discard signs or accept the borders, NOT as a reality, but for practical use of the tool.Love and regards,Sreenadh , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote:>> I don't know if the country border is a right analogy here. Even then, if we put up a bright light in our area close to the boarder, will the light not reach the other side of the border?> > When combustion can take place across Rasi boarders, how can we say the other planetory influences stop right at the Rasi border? Is there a solid wall at the Rasi border?> > Amsahs change within a sign

as well. But, how is it relevant to the question being debated?> > Regards,> Krishna> > sreeram srinivas sreeram64 wrote:> Dear Madam,> Let us take an analogy, of less than One Degree difference at "our borders" i.e India-Pakistan, Pakistan-China, India-China !! People on either side of "fence" are generally not so much bother about his as much as the people "resting" in their respective capitals !! > There has lot of debate in past over this, even Late Sri P.S. Shastry has concluded that the zodaic is divided on "equal house" basis.> The use of "Sudharshan Chakra" would give better picture, for the "difference in degree" would result in change in "amsa " position !!...> "Near Degrees" concept and its Octave Vibration, is probably a western astrology concept or Tajak Concept, to an extent also used in Prasna Marga i.e. Mother scripture !!> with regards,> sreeram_srinivas>

> , "vinita kumar" shankar_mamta@ wrote:> > Dear Shreenadhji,> > "A combination means same signs, or aspect between planets from> different signs etc, and the degrees of difference DOES NOT come into> picture here".> > But doesn't it?... as in the case of combustion? if it can matter > for planets close to the sun in the same sign, why cannot it matter > for proximity of other planets???Supposing two planets are within 2-> 3 degrees of each other in the same sign whould their effect have > been the same if one had been at say the 1st degree of the sign and > the other at the 29th degree?...am just wondering whether this is > discussed as part of the clasical system or not? Are degrees only of > relevance for divisionals? aren't they also taken into account while > considering exaltation and

debility? Or even baal and vridha > avastha, etc. for strenght???So if planets can be strong or weak in > some degrees cannot their influence be governed by "close" proximity > as opposed to "distant" proximity? (In western astrology, though it > is a totally different system, stellium, or very close proximity of > 3 or more planets, is considered to be an important influence....But > i know i shouldn't mix up the two)> > Conversely, if there are two planets in close proximity, say within > 2 degrees of each other, but in different signs, according to u / > the classics, there is NO sambandh between the two????????> > "Astro classics speak about 5 major types of Sambhadha (relations). Explore it ;)"> > Long time back i learnt abt this in one of the lessons of > Sanjayrathji....but i have clean forgotton... guess i am getting old > and rusty:(>

> how abt. helping out;))> > Best regards,> vinita> > > > > > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now.>

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Dear Krishna ji,

Please don't misunderstand - I NEVER speak/use any kind of

Varga charts - I am speaking about Vargas only and they do really

exist in the phisical plane just like the signs. For

example, first Navamsa of Aries means 0-3.20 of Aries, and first

Dwadasamsa of Aries means 0-2.30 of Aries and so on - hope you

see the point and reality. When I am speaking about the

shad-vargadhipas, I was speaking about the lords (just like the sign

lords) ascribed to these areas in the zodiac - hope it is clear.

==>

> Why do we consider a planet combust when it is very close to the Sun even when it is not placed in the same sign?

<==

Because it is combust! But know clearly that conjuction

(related prediction given in classics) and combust (related predictions

given in classics) are 2 different things - and for the correct

application -

1) First one need to check what these results are.

2) Then speak out BOTH THE RESULTS with required modification!

Note: It is not that some result will get cancelled and

the other will prevail! Conjunction and Combust are two SEPERATE

things. Hope my statement is clear enough.

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote:>> Dear Sreenadh ji,> >

Varga charts are different, they are not in the physical plane, where

as positions in Rasi represents planets in physical plane. Therefore,

it is not fair to compare these two things.> > Why do we consider a planet combust when it is very close to the Sun even when it is not placed in the same sign?> > Regards,> Krishna> > > Sreenadh sreesog wrote:> Dear Krishna ji,> ==>> > Is there a solid wall at the Rasi border?> <== >

There is NO WALL between the Rasi borders - but there is MUCH

LIMITATION associated with the tool (i.e. astrology) you are using!

Know the methodology and the hypothetical (projected) picture (i.e.

natal chart with sign/nakshatra/amsa divisions) used by astrology. You

CANNOT drive a tool beyond its limits! If you do you will end up

breaking the tool itself and losing even this minor tool! > The

point is - for predictive purpose we need to differentiate the results

provided by the signs (even though there is no border in between),

because it is the way the tool itself is hypothised. To understand it

clearly - I request you to see the Shadvarga of the last degree of

Pisces, and the first degree of Aries - you will see what I mean! Hope

this helps. > Note: I don't want to lose the tool itself, but

want to "use it, as directed (by the sages)" - and that is the point I

want to make. And I hope, that is the way any one who respectes and

want to use (and derive the correct results, as per the methodology

provided by ancient indian sages will do and follow. There is NO OTHER

WAY - Either discard signs or accept the borders, NOT as a reality, but

for practical use of the tool.> Love and regards,> Sreenadh> , Krishnamurthy Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote:> >>

> I don't know if the country border is a right analogy here. Even

then, if we put up a bright light in our area close to the boarder,

will the light not reach the other side of the border?> > >

> When combustion can take place across Rasi boarders, how can we

say the other planetory influences stop right at the Rasi border? Is

there a solid wall at the Rasi border?> > > > Amsahs change within a sign as well. But, how is it relevant to the question being debated?> > > > Regards,> > Krishna> > > > sreeram srinivas sreeram64@ wrote:> > Dear Madam,>

> Let us take an analogy, of less than One Degree difference at "our

borders" i.e India-Pakistan, Pakistan-China, India-China !! People on

either side of "fence" are generally not so much bother about his as

much as the people "resting" in their respective capitals !! >

> There has lot of debate in past over this, even Late Sri P.S.

Shastry has concluded that the zodaic is divided on "equal house" basis.>

> The use of "Sudharshan Chakra" would give better picture, for the

"difference in degree" would result in change in "amsa " position !!...>

> "Near Degrees" concept and its Octave Vibration, is probably a

western astrology concept or Tajak Concept, to an extent also used in

Prasna Marga i.e. Mother scripture !!> > with regards,> > sreeram_srinivas> > > > , "vinita kumar" shankar_mamta@ wrote:> > > > Dear Shreenadhji,> > > > "A combination means same signs, or aspect between planets from> > different signs etc, and the degrees of difference DOES NOT come into> > picture here".> > > > But doesn't it?... as in the case of combustion? if it can matter > > for planets close to the sun in the same sign, why cannot it matter > > for proximity of other planets???Supposing two planets are within 2-> > 3 degrees of each other in the same sign whould their effect have > > been the same if one had been at say the 1st degree of the sign and > > the other at the 29th degree?...am just wondering whether this is > > discussed as part of the clasical system or not? Are degrees only of > > relevance for divisionals? aren't they also taken into account while > > considering exaltation and debility? Or even baal and vridha > > avastha, etc. for strenght???So if planets can be strong or weak in > > some degrees cannot their influence be governed by "close" proximity > > as opposed to "distant" proximity? (In western astrology, though it > > is a totally different system, stellium, or very close proximity of > > 3 or more planets, is considered to be an important influence....But > > i know i shouldn't mix up the two)> > > > Conversely, if there are two planets in close proximity, say within > > 2 degrees of each other, but in different signs, according to u / > > the classics, there is NO sambandh between the two????????> > > > "Astro classics speak about 5 major types of Sambhadha (relations). Explore it ;)"> > > > Long time back i learnt abt this in one of the lessons of > > Sanjayrathji....but i have clean forgotton... guess i am getting old > > and rusty:(> > > > how abt. helping out;))> > > > Best regards,> > vinita> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now.> >> > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now.>

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Dear Sreenadh ji, No problem to exchange ideas. I don't misunderstand as long as the discussion is issue based and does not get personal. When I said varga charts are not in physical plane, what I meant was the positions of the planets in varga charts and the distance between them (since you asked me to check the last degree of pices and first degree of aries in a varga chart). OK, I agree that combustion and conjunction are two different things. But, what I wanted to highlight was that the influence of a planet does not become NULL at a Rasi border as if there is a wall at the border. It does influence the planet if in close quaters, though not as much as in the same Rasi. In a same Rasi, two planets are also linked by the same dispositor and same tatwa (water, air ...) and hence the intensity of interaction is definitely of higher magnitude. Hope I am clear. Regards, KrishnaSreenadh <sreesog wrote: Dear Krishna ji, Please don't misunderstand - I NEVER speak/use any kind of Varga charts - I am speaking about Vargas only and they do really exist in the phisical plane just like the signs. For example, first Navamsa of Aries means 0-3.20 of Aries, and first Dwadasamsa of Aries means 0-2.30 of Aries and so on - hope you see the

point and reality. When I am speaking about the shad-vargadhipas, I was speaking about the lords (just like the sign lords) ascribed to these areas in the zodiac - hope it is clear. ==>> Why do we consider a planet combust when it is very close to the Sun even when it is not placed in the same sign?<== Because it is combust! But know clearly that conjuction (related prediction given in classics) and combust (related predictions given in classics) are 2 different things - and for the correct application - 1) First one need to check what these results are. 2) Then speak out BOTH THE RESULTS with required modification! Note: It is not that some result will get cancelled and the other will prevail! Conjunction and Combust are two SEPERATE things. Hope my statement is clear enough.Love and

regards,Sreenadh , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote:>> Dear Sreenadh ji,> > Varga charts are different, they are not in the physical plane, where as positions in Rasi represents planets in physical plane. Therefore, it is not fair to compare these two things.> > Why do we consider a planet combust when it is very close to the Sun even when it is not placed in the same sign?> > Regards,> Krishna> > > Sreenadh sreesog wrote:> Dear Krishna ji,> ==>> > Is there a solid wall at the Rasi border?> <== > There is NO WALL between the Rasi borders - but there is MUCH LIMITATION associated with the tool (i.e. astrology) you are using! Know the methodology and the hypothetical (projected) picture (i.e. natal chart with sign/nakshatra/amsa

divisions) used by astrology. You CANNOT drive a tool beyond its limits! If you do you will end up breaking the tool itself and losing even this minor tool! > The point is - for predictive purpose we need to differentiate the results provided by the signs (even though there is no border in between), because it is the way the tool itself is hypothised. To understand it clearly - I request you to see the Shadvarga of the last degree of Pisces, and the first degree of Aries - you will see what I mean! Hope this helps. > Note: I don't want to lose the tool itself, but want to "use it, as directed (by the sages)" - and that is the point I want to make. And I hope, that is the way any one who respectes and want to use (and derive the correct results, as per the methodology provided by ancient indian sages will do and follow. There is NO OTHER WAY - Either discard signs or accept the borders, NOT as a reality, but for practical use of the tool.> Love and

regards,> Sreenadh> , Krishnamurthy Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote:> >> > I don't know if the country border is a right analogy here. Even then, if we put up a bright light in our area close to the boarder, will the light not reach the other side of the border?> > > > When combustion can take place across Rasi boarders, how can we say the other planetory influences stop right at the Rasi border? Is there a solid wall at the Rasi border?> > > > Amsahs change within a sign as well. But, how is it relevant to the question being debated?> > > > Regards,> > Krishna> > > > sreeram srinivas sreeram64@ wrote:> > Dear Madam,> > Let us take an analogy, of less than One Degree difference at "our borders" i.e India-Pakistan, Pakistan-China, India-China !! People on either side of

"fence" are generally not so much bother about his as much as the people "resting" in their respective capitals !! > > There has lot of debate in past over this, even Late Sri P.S. Shastry has concluded that the zodaic is divided on "equal house" basis.> > The use of "Sudharshan Chakra" would give better picture, for the "difference in degree" would result in change in "amsa " position !!...> > "Near Degrees" concept and its Octave Vibration, is probably a western astrology concept or Tajak Concept, to an extent also used in Prasna Marga i.e. Mother scripture !!> > with regards,> > sreeram_srinivas> > > > , "vinita kumar" shankar_mamta@ wrote:> > > > Dear Shreenadhji,> > > > "A combination means same signs, or aspect between planets from> > different signs etc, and the degrees of difference

DOES NOT come into> > picture here".> > > > But doesn't it?... as in the case of combustion? if it can matter > > for planets close to the sun in the same sign, why cannot it matter > > for proximity of other planets???Supposing two planets are within 2-> > 3 degrees of each other in the same sign whould their effect have > > been the same if one had been at say the 1st degree of the sign and > > the other at the 29th degree?...am just wondering whether this is > > discussed as part of the clasical system or not? Are degrees only of > > relevance for divisionals? aren't they also taken into account while > > considering exaltation and debility? Or even baal and vridha > > avastha, etc. for strenght???So if planets can be strong or weak in > > some degrees cannot their influence be governed by "close" proximity > > as opposed to

"distant" proximity? (In western astrology, though it > > is a totally different system, stellium, or very close proximity of > > 3 or more planets, is considered to be an important influence....But > > i know i shouldn't mix up the two)> > > > Conversely, if there are two planets in close proximity, say within > > 2 degrees of each other, but in different signs, according to u / > > the classics, there is NO sambandh between the two????????> > > > "Astro classics speak about 5 major types of Sambhadha (relations). Explore it ;)"> > > > Long time back i learnt abt this in one of the lessons of > > Sanjayrathji....but i have clean forgotton... guess i am getting old > > and rusty:(> > > > how abt. helping out;))> > > > Best regards,> > vinita> > > > > >

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Dear Krishna ji,

==>

> since you asked me to check the last degree of pices and first degree of

aries in a varga chart

<==

I NEVER requested you to check the last degree of Pisces and first

degree of Aries in a VARGA CHART.

My request is clearly copy -pasted below for clarity -

==>

I request you to see the Shadvarga of the last degree of Pisces, and the first

degree of Aries - you will see what I mean!

<==

Seeing something in Varga chart and checking the Shadvarga of a

particular degree is entirely different things!!! I wonder why

this confusion!

==>

> But, what I wanted to highlight was that the influence of a planet does

not become NULL at a

> Rasi border as if there is a wall at the border.

<==

No planets influence each other (except that gravitation

etc) - it only that for the sake of result derivation we IMAGINE that planets

influence each other. Why we do so, as per the directions given in

astrological classics (to get the results, the practical usefulness of the system)

we are supposed to follow and regard their construct (that is the

Sign/Nakshatra borders). No border really exists - but it DOES MATTER in

prediction. And NO INFLUENCE EXIST, and the existing gravitational influence

DOES NOT MATTER in astrology!!

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote:>> Dear Sreenadh ji,> > No problem to exchange ideas. I don't misunderstand as long as the discussion is issue based and does not get personal.> >

When I said varga charts are not in physical plane, what I meant was

the positions of the planets in varga charts and the distance between

them (since you asked me to check the last degree of pices and first

degree of aries in a varga chart).> > OK, I agree that

combustion and conjunction are two different things. But, what I wanted

to highlight was that the influence of a planet does not become NULL at

a Rasi border as if there is a wall at the border. It does influence

the planet if in close quaters, though not as much as in the same Rasi.

In a same Rasi, two planets are also linked by the same dispositor and

same tatwa (water, air ...) and hence the intensity of interaction is

definitely of higher magnitude.> > Hope I am clear.> > Regards,> Krishna> > Sreenadh sreesog wrote:> Dear Krishna ji,>

Please don't misunderstand - I NEVER speak/use any kind of Varga charts

- I am speaking about Vargas only and they do really exist in the

phisical plane just like the signs. For example, first Navamsa of Aries

means 0-3.20 of Aries, and first Dwadasamsa of Aries means 0-2.30 of

Aries and so on - hope you see the point and reality. When I am

speaking about the shad-vargadhipas, I was speaking about the lords

(just like the sign lords) ascribed to these areas in the zodiac - hope

it is clear. > ==>> > Why do we consider a planet combust when it is very close to the Sun even when it is not placed in the same sign?> <==>

Because it is combust! But know clearly that conjuction (related

prediction given in classics) and combust (related predictions given in

classics) are 2 different things - and for the correct application - > 1) First one need to check what these results are.> 2) Then speak out BOTH THE RESULTS with required modification! >

Note: It is not that some result will get cancelled and the other will

prevail! Conjunction and Combust are two SEPERATE things. Hope my

statement is clear enough.> Love and regards,> Sreenadh> > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote:> >> > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > >

> Varga charts are different, they are not in the physical plane,

where as positions in Rasi represents planets in physical plane.

Therefore, it is not fair to compare these two things.> > > > Why do we consider a planet combust when it is very close to the Sun even when it is not placed in the same sign?> > > > Regards,> > Krishna> > > > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:> > Dear Krishna ji,> > ==>> > > Is there a solid wall at the Rasi border?> > <== >

> There is NO WALL between the Rasi borders - but there is MUCH

LIMITATION associated with the tool (i.e. astrology) you are using!

Know the methodology and the hypothetical (projected) picture (i.e.

natal chart with sign/nakshatra/amsa divisions) used by astrology. You

CANNOT drive a tool beyond its limits! If you do you will end up

breaking the tool itself and losing even this minor tool! >

> The point is - for predictive purpose we need to differentiate the

results provided by the signs (even though there is no border in

between), because it is the way the tool itself is hypothised. To

understand it clearly - I request you to see the Shadvarga of the last

degree of Pisces, and the first degree of Aries - you will see what I

mean! Hope this helps. > > Note: I don't want to lose the

tool itself, but want to "use it, as directed (by the sages)" - and

that is the point I want to make. And I hope, that is the way any one

who respectes and want to use (and derive the correct results, as per

the methodology provided by ancient indian sages will do and follow.

There is NO OTHER WAY - Either discard signs or accept the borders, NOT

as a reality, but for practical use of the tool.> > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote:> > >>

> > I don't know if the country border is a right analogy here.

Even then, if we put up a bright light in our area close to the

boarder, will the light not reach the other side of the border?> > > >

> > When combustion can take place across Rasi boarders, how can

we say the other planetory influences stop right at the Rasi border? Is

there a solid wall at the Rasi border?> > > > > > Amsahs change within a sign as well. But, how is it relevant to the question being debated?> > > > > > Regards,> > > Krishna> > > > > > sreeram srinivas sreeram64@ wrote:> > > Dear Madam,>

> > Let us take an analogy, of less than One Degree difference at

"our borders" i.e India-Pakistan, Pakistan-China, India-China !! People

on either side of "fence" are generally not so much bother about his as

much as the people "resting" in their respective capitals !! >

> > There has lot of debate in past over this, even Late Sri P.S.

Shastry has concluded that the zodaic is divided on "equal house" basis.>

> > The use of "Sudharshan Chakra" would give better picture, for

the "difference in degree" would result in change in "amsa " position

!!...> > > "Near Degrees" concept and its Octave

Vibration, is probably a western astrology concept or Tajak Concept, to

an extent also used in Prasna Marga i.e. Mother scripture !!> > > with regards,> > > sreeram_srinivas> > > > > > , "vinita kumar" shankar_mamta@ wrote:> > > > > > Dear Shreenadhji,> > > > > > "A combination means same signs, or aspect between planets from> > > different signs etc, and the degrees of difference DOES NOT come into> > > picture here".> > > > > > But doesn't it?... as in the case of combustion? if it can matter > > > for planets close to the sun in the same sign, why cannot it matter > > > for proximity of other planets???Supposing two planets are within 2-> > > 3 degrees of each other in the same sign whould their effect have > > > been the same if one had been at say the 1st degree of the sign and > > > the other at the 29th degree?...am just wondering whether this is > > > discussed as part of the clasical system or not? Are degrees only of > > > relevance for divisionals? aren't they also taken into account while > > > considering exaltation and debility? Or even baal and vridha > > > avastha, etc. for strenght???So if planets can be strong or weak in > > > some degrees cannot their influence be governed by "close" proximity > > > as opposed to "distant" proximity? (In western astrology, though it > > > is a totally different system, stellium, or very close proximity of > > > 3 or more planets, is considered to be an important influence....But > > > i know i shouldn't mix up the two)> > > > > > Conversely, if there are two planets in close proximity, say within > > > 2 degrees of each other, but in different signs, according to u / > > > the classics, there is NO sambandh between the two????????> > > > > > "Astro classics speak about 5 major types of Sambhadha (relations). Explore it ;)"> > > > > > Long time back i learnt abt this in one of the lessons of > > > Sanjayrathji....but i have clean forgotton... guess i am getting old > > > and rusty:(> > > > > > how abt. helping out;))> > > > > > Best regards,> > > vinita> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now.> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now.> >> > > > > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search.>

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Dear Krishna ji,

==>

> since you asked me to check the last degree of pices and first degree of

aries in a varga chart

<==

I NEVER requested you to check the last degree of Pisces and first

degree of Aries in a VARGA CHART.

My request is clearly copy -pasted below for clarity -

==>

I request you to see the Shadvarga of the last degree of Pisces, and the first

degree of Aries - you will see what I mean!

<==

Seeing something in Varga chart and checking the Shadvarga of a

particular degree is entirely different things!!! I wonder why

this confusion!

==>

> But, what I wanted to highlight was that the influence of a planet does

not become NULL at a

> Rasi border as if there is a wall at the border.

<==

No planets influence each other (except that gravitation

etc) - it only that for the sake of result derivation we IMAGINE that planets

influence each other. Why we do so, as per the directions given in

astrological classics (to get the results, the practical usefulness of the system)

we are supposed to follow and regard their construct (that is the

Sign/Nakshatra borders). No border really exists - but it DOES MATTER in

prediction. And NO INFLUENCE EXIST, and the existing gravitational influence

DOES NOT MATTER in astrology!!

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote:>> Dear Sreenadh ji,> > No problem to exchange ideas. I don't misunderstand as long as the discussion is issue based and does not get personal.> >

When I said varga charts are not in physical plane, what I meant was

the positions of the planets in varga charts and the distance between

them (since you asked me to check the last degree of pices and first

degree of aries in a varga chart).> > OK, I agree that

combustion and conjunction are two different things. But, what I wanted

to highlight was that the influence of a planet does not become NULL at

a Rasi border as if there is a wall at the border. It does influence

the planet if in close quaters, though not as much as in the same Rasi.

In a same Rasi, two planets are also linked by the same dispositor and

same tatwa (water, air ...) and hence the intensity of interaction is

definitely of higher magnitude.> > Hope I am clear.> > Regards,> Krishna> > Sreenadh sreesog wrote:> Dear Krishna ji,>

Please don't misunderstand - I NEVER speak/use any kind of Varga charts

- I am speaking about Vargas only and they do really exist in the

phisical plane just like the signs. For example, first Navamsa of Aries

means 0-3.20 of Aries, and first Dwadasamsa of Aries means 0-2.30 of

Aries and so on - hope you see the point and reality. When I am

speaking about the shad-vargadhipas, I was speaking about the lords

(just like the sign lords) ascribed to these areas in the zodiac - hope

it is clear. > ==>> > Why do we consider a planet combust when it is very close to the Sun even when it is not placed in the same sign?> <==>

Because it is combust! But know clearly that conjuction (related

prediction given in classics) and combust (related predictions given in

classics) are 2 different things - and for the correct application - > 1) First one need to check what these results are.> 2) Then speak out BOTH THE RESULTS with required modification! >

Note: It is not that some result will get cancelled and the other will

prevail! Conjunction and Combust are two SEPERATE things. Hope my

statement is clear enough.> Love and regards,> Sreenadh> > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote:> >> > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > >

> Varga charts are different, they are not in the physical plane,

where as positions in Rasi represents planets in physical plane.

Therefore, it is not fair to compare these two things.> > > > Why do we consider a planet combust when it is very close to the Sun even when it is not placed in the same sign?> > > > Regards,> > Krishna> > > > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:> > Dear Krishna ji,> > ==>> > > Is there a solid wall at the Rasi border?> > <== >

> There is NO WALL between the Rasi borders - but there is MUCH

LIMITATION associated with the tool (i.e. astrology) you are using!

Know the methodology and the hypothetical (projected) picture (i.e.

natal chart with sign/nakshatra/amsa divisions) used by astrology. You

CANNOT drive a tool beyond its limits! If you do you will end up

breaking the tool itself and losing even this minor tool! >

> The point is - for predictive purpose we need to differentiate the

results provided by the signs (even though there is no border in

between), because it is the way the tool itself is hypothised. To

understand it clearly - I request you to see the Shadvarga of the last

degree of Pisces, and the first degree of Aries - you will see what I

mean! Hope this helps. > > Note: I don't want to lose the

tool itself, but want to "use it, as directed (by the sages)" - and

that is the point I want to make. And I hope, that is the way any one

who respectes and want to use (and derive the correct results, as per

the methodology provided by ancient indian sages will do and follow.

There is NO OTHER WAY - Either discard signs or accept the borders, NOT

as a reality, but for practical use of the tool.> > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote:> > >>

> > I don't know if the country border is a right analogy here.

Even then, if we put up a bright light in our area close to the

boarder, will the light not reach the other side of the border?> > > >

> > When combustion can take place across Rasi boarders, how can

we say the other planetory influences stop right at the Rasi border? Is

there a solid wall at the Rasi border?> > > > > > Amsahs change within a sign as well. But, how is it relevant to the question being debated?> > > > > > Regards,> > > Krishna> > > > > > sreeram srinivas sreeram64@ wrote:> > > Dear Madam,>

> > Let us take an analogy, of less than One Degree difference at

"our borders" i.e India-Pakistan, Pakistan-China, India-China !! People

on either side of "fence" are generally not so much bother about his as

much as the people "resting" in their respective capitals !! >

> > There has lot of debate in past over this, even Late Sri P.S.

Shastry has concluded that the zodaic is divided on "equal house" basis.>

> > The use of "Sudharshan Chakra" would give better picture, for

the "difference in degree" would result in change in "amsa " position

!!...> > > "Near Degrees" concept and its Octave

Vibration, is probably a western astrology concept or Tajak Concept, to

an extent also used in Prasna Marga i.e. Mother scripture !!> > > with regards,> > > sreeram_srinivas> > > > > > , "vinita kumar" shankar_mamta@ wrote:> > > > > > Dear Shreenadhji,> > > > > > "A combination means same signs, or aspect between planets from> > > different signs etc, and the degrees of difference DOES NOT come into> > > picture here".> > > > > > But doesn't it?... as in the case of combustion? if it can matter > > > for planets close to the sun in the same sign, why cannot it matter > > > for proximity of other planets???Supposing two planets are within 2-> > > 3 degrees of each other in the same sign whould their effect have > > > been the same if one had been at say the 1st degree of the sign and > > > the other at the 29th degree?...am just wondering whether this is > > > discussed as part of the clasical system or not? Are degrees only of > > > relevance for divisionals? aren't they also taken into account while > > > considering exaltation and debility? Or even baal and vridha > > > avastha, etc. for strenght???So if planets can be strong or weak in > > > some degrees cannot their influence be governed by "close" proximity > > > as opposed to "distant" proximity? (In western astrology, though it > > > is a totally different system, stellium, or very close proximity of > > > 3 or more planets, is considered to be an important influence....But > > > i know i shouldn't mix up the two)> > > > > > Conversely, if there are two planets in close proximity, say within > > > 2 degrees of each other, but in different signs, according to u / > > > the classics, there is NO sambandh between the two????????> > > > > > "Astro classics speak about 5 major types of Sambhadha (relations). Explore it ;)"> > > > > > Long time back i learnt abt this in one of the lessons of > > > Sanjayrathji....but i have clean forgotton... guess i am getting old > > > and rusty:(> > > > > > how abt. helping out;))> > > > > > Best regards,> > > vinita> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now.> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now.> >> > > > > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search.>

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Dear Sreenadh ji, Now I understand that we have difference of opinion on the basic premise of Astrology itself. Hence, I see no point in extending this discussion. I respect your views and at the same time I can not accept the same. So let us agree to disagree Regards, KrishnaSreenadh <sreesog wrote: Dear Krishna ji,==>> since you asked

me to check the last degree of pices and first degree of aries in a varga chart<== I NEVER requested you to check the last degree of Pisces and first degree of Aries in a VARGA CHART. My request is clearly copy -pasted below for clarity - ==>I request you to see the Shadvarga of the last degree of Pisces, and the first degree of Aries - you will see what I mean!<== Seeing something in Varga chart and checking the Shadvarga of a particular degree is entirely different things!!! I wonder why this confusion! ==>> But, what I wanted to highlight was that the influence of a planet does not become NULL at a> Rasi border as if there is a wall at the border.<== No planets influence each other (except that gravitation etc) - it only that for the sake of result derivation we IMAGINE that planets influence each other. Why we do so, as

per the directions given in astrological classics (to get the results, the practical usefulness of the system) we are supposed to follow and regard their construct (that is the Sign/Nakshatra borders). No border really exists - but it DOES MATTER in prediction. And NO INFLUENCE EXIST, and the existing gravitational influence DOES NOT MATTER in astrology!!Love and regards,Sreenadh , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote:>> Dear Sreenadh ji,> > No problem to exchange ideas. I don't misunderstand as long as the discussion is issue based and does not get personal.> > When I said varga charts are not in physical plane, what I meant was the positions of the planets in varga charts and the distance between them (since you asked me to check the last degree of pices and first degree of aries in a varga

chart).> > OK, I agree that combustion and conjunction are two different things. But, what I wanted to highlight was that the influence of a planet does not become NULL at a Rasi border as if there is a wall at the border. It does influence the planet if in close quaters, though not as much as in the same Rasi. In a same Rasi, two planets are also linked by the same dispositor and same tatwa (water, air ...) and hence the intensity of interaction is definitely of higher magnitude.> > Hope I am clear.> > Regards,> Krishna> > Sreenadh sreesog wrote:> Dear Krishna ji,> Please don't misunderstand - I NEVER speak/use any kind of Varga charts - I am speaking about Vargas only and they do really exist in the phisical plane just like the signs. For example, first Navamsa of Aries means 0-3.20 of Aries, and first Dwadasamsa of Aries means 0-2.30 of Aries and so on - hope you see the point and reality.

When I am speaking about the shad-vargadhipas, I was speaking about the lords (just like the sign lords) ascribed to these areas in the zodiac - hope it is clear. > ==>> > Why do we consider a planet combust when it is very close to the Sun even when it is not placed in the same sign?> <==> Because it is combust! But know clearly that conjuction (related prediction given in classics) and combust (related predictions given in classics) are 2 different things - and for the correct application - > 1) First one need to check what these results are.> 2) Then speak out BOTH THE RESULTS with required modification! > Note: It is not that some result will get cancelled and the other will prevail! Conjunction and Combust are two SEPERATE things. Hope my statement is clear enough.> Love and regards,> Sreenadh> > , Krishnamurthy

Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote:> >> > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > > > Varga charts are different, they are not in the physical plane, where as positions in Rasi represents planets in physical plane. Therefore, it is not fair to compare these two things.> > > > Why do we consider a planet combust when it is very close to the Sun even when it is not placed in the same sign?> > > > Regards,> > Krishna> > > > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:> > Dear Krishna ji,> > ==>> > > Is there a solid wall at the Rasi border?> > <== > > There is NO WALL between the Rasi borders - but there is MUCH LIMITATION associated with the tool (i.e. astrology) you are using! Know the methodology and the hypothetical (projected) picture (i.e. natal chart with sign/nakshatra/amsa divisions) used by astrology. You CANNOT drive a

tool beyond its limits! If you do you will end up breaking the tool itself and losing even this minor tool! > > The point is - for predictive purpose we need to differentiate the results provided by the signs (even though there is no border in between), because it is the way the tool itself is hypothised. To understand it clearly - I request you to see the Shadvarga of the last degree of Pisces, and the first degree of Aries - you will see what I mean! Hope this helps. > > Note: I don't want to lose the tool itself, but want to "use it, as directed (by the sages)" - and that is the point I want to make. And I hope, that is the way any one who respectes and want to use (and derive the correct results, as per the methodology provided by ancient indian sages will do and follow. There is NO OTHER WAY - Either discard signs or accept the borders, NOT as a reality, but for practical use of the tool.> > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh>

> , Krishnamurthy Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote:> > >> > > I don't know if the country border is a right analogy here. Even then, if we put up a bright light in our area close to the boarder, will the light not reach the other side of the border?> > > > > > When combustion can take place across Rasi boarders, how can we say the other planetory influences stop right at the Rasi border? Is there a solid wall at the Rasi border?> > > > > > Amsahs change within a sign as well. But, how is it relevant to the question being debated?> > > > > > Regards,> > > Krishna> > > > > > sreeram srinivas sreeram64@ wrote:> > > Dear Madam,> > > Let us take an analogy, of less than One Degree difference at "our borders" i.e India-Pakistan, Pakistan-China,

India-China !! People on either side of "fence" are generally not so much bother about his as much as the people "resting" in their respective capitals !! > > > There has lot of debate in past over this, even Late Sri P.S. Shastry has concluded that the zodaic is divided on "equal house" basis.> > > The use of "Sudharshan Chakra" would give better picture, for the "difference in degree" would result in change in "amsa " position !!...> > > "Near Degrees" concept and its Octave Vibration, is probably a western astrology concept or Tajak Concept, to an extent also used in Prasna Marga i.e. Mother scripture !!> > > with regards,> > > sreeram_srinivas> > > > > > , "vinita kumar" shankar_mamta@ wrote:> > > > > > Dear Shreenadhji,> > > > > > "A combination means same signs, or

aspect between planets from> > > different signs etc, and the degrees of difference DOES NOT come into> > > picture here".> > > > > > But doesn't it?... as in the case of combustion? if it can matter > > > for planets close to the sun in the same sign, why cannot it matter > > > for proximity of other planets???Supposing two planets are within 2-> > > 3 degrees of each other in the same sign whould their effect have > > > been the same if one had been at say the 1st degree of the sign and > > > the other at the 29th degree?...am just wondering whether this is > > > discussed as part of the clasical system or not? Are degrees only of > > > relevance for divisionals? aren't they also taken into account while > > > considering exaltation and debility? Or even baal and vridha > > > avastha, etc. for

strenght???So if planets can be strong or weak in > > > some degrees cannot their influence be governed by "close" proximity > > > as opposed to "distant" proximity? (In western astrology, though it > > > is a totally different system, stellium, or very close proximity of > > > 3 or more planets, is considered to be an important influence....But > > > i know i shouldn't mix up the two)> > > > > > Conversely, if there are two planets in close proximity, say within > > > 2 degrees of each other, but in different signs, according to u / > > > the classics, there is NO sambandh between the two????????> > > > > > "Astro classics speak about 5 major types of Sambhadha (relations). Explore it ;)"> > > > > > Long time back i learnt abt this in one of the lessons of > > > Sanjayrathji....but i

have clean forgotton... guess i am getting old > > > and rusty:(> > > > > > how abt. helping out;))> > > > > > Best regards,> > > vinita> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now.> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now.> >> > > > > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with

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Dear Krishna ji,

If you agree of disagree - it would be good for you clear this

ignorance of confusing Varga charts with Shadvarga (lordship). For

your benefit here is basic direction -

1) Create a chart with Asc lognitude 359 degree 30 min in JHora and

see the Shardvara (lordships) given for that degree.

2) Create a chart with Asc longitude 00 degree 30 min in JHora and

see the Shadvarga (lordships) given for that degree.

Note that even JHora does not confuce Varga charts and Shadvarga

(lordships). In the same almost no practcal astrologer can confuce

Varga charts and DIVISIONS OF SIGNS (based on degrees) SUCH AS HORA,

DREKKANA, NAVAMSA, DWADESAMSA. And most of them will also clearly know

that - as subdivisions of sign, they exist in PHYSICAL PLANE.

Hope this helps. If this too is not helpful, sorry, I have done

enough effort, and would like to drop-out from this useless effort to

convince the one who don't want to see the point at all!

Regards,

Sreenadh

 

, Krishnamurthy

Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote:

>

> Dear Sreenadh ji,

>

> Now I understand that we have difference of opinion on the basic

premise of Astrology itself. Hence, I see no point in extending this

discussion. I respect your views and at the same time I can not accept

the same.

>

> So let us agree to disagree

>

> Regards,

> Krishna

>

> Sreenadh <sreesog wrote:

> Dear Krishna ji,

> ==>

> > since you asked me to check the last degree of pices and first

degree of aries in a varga chart

> <==

> I NEVER requested you to check the last degree of Pisces and

first degree of Aries in a VARGA CHART.

> My request is clearly copy -pasted below for clarity -

> ==>

> I request you to see the Shadvarga of the last degree of Pisces, and

the first degree of Aries - you will see what I mean!

> <==

> Seeing something in Varga chart and checking the Shadvarga of a

particular degree is entirely different things!!! I wonder why this

confusion!

> ==>

> > But, what I wanted to highlight was that the influence of a planet

does not become NULL at a

> > Rasi border as if there is a wall at the border.

> <==

> No planets influence each other (except that gravitation etc) -

it only that for the sake of result derivation we IMAGINE that planets

influence each other. Why we do so, as per the directions given in

astrological classics (to get the results, the practical usefulness of

the system) we are supposed to follow and regard their construct

(that is the Sign/Nakshatra borders). No border really exists - but

it DOES MATTER in prediction. And NO INFLUENCE EXIST, and the existing

gravitational influence DOES NOT MATTER in astrology!!

> Love and regards,

> Sreenadh

>

> , Krishnamurthy

Seetharama <krishna_1998@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> >

> > No problem to exchange ideas. I don't misunderstand as long as the

discussion is issue based and does not get personal.

> >

> > When I said varga charts are not in physical plane, what I meant

was the positions of the planets in varga charts and the distance

between them (since you asked me to check the last degree of pices and

first degree of aries in a varga chart).

> >

> > OK, I agree that combustion and conjunction are two different

things. But, what I wanted to highlight was that the influence of a

planet does not become NULL at a Rasi border as if there is a wall at

the border. It does influence the planet if in close quaters, though

not as much as in the same Rasi. In a same Rasi, two planets are also

linked by the same dispositor and same tatwa (water, air ...) and

hence the intensity of interaction is definitely of higher magnitude.

> >

> > Hope I am clear.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Krishna

> >

> > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:

> > Dear Krishna ji,

> > Please don't misunderstand - I NEVER speak/use any kind of Varga

charts - I am speaking about Vargas only and they do really exist in

the phisical plane just like the signs. For example, first Navamsa of

Aries means 0-3.20 of Aries, and first Dwadasamsa of Aries means

0-2.30 of Aries and so on - hope you see the point and reality. When I

am speaking about the shad-vargadhipas, I was speaking about the lords

(just like the sign lords) ascribed to these areas in the zodiac -

hope it is clear.

> > ==>

> > > Why do we consider a planet combust when it is very close to the

Sun even when it is not placed in the same sign?

> > <==

> > Because it is combust! But know clearly that conjuction

(related prediction given in classics) and combust (related

predictions given in classics) are 2 different things - and for the

correct application -

> > 1) First one need to check what these results are.

> > 2) Then speak out BOTH THE RESULTS with required modification!

> > Note: It is not that some result will get cancelled and the other

will prevail! Conjunction and Combust are two SEPERATE things. Hope my

statement is clear enough.

> > Love and regards,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > , Krishnamurthy

Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> > >

> > > Varga charts are different, they are not in the physical plane,

where as positions in Rasi represents planets in physical plane.

Therefore, it is not fair to compare these two things.

> > >

> > > Why do we consider a planet combust when it is very close to the

Sun even when it is not placed in the same sign?

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Krishna

> > >

> > >

> > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:

> > > Dear Krishna ji,

> > > ==>

> > > > Is there a solid wall at the Rasi border?

> > > <==

> > > There is NO WALL between the Rasi borders - but there is MUCH

LIMITATION associated with the tool (i.e. astrology) you are using!

Know the methodology and the hypothetical (projected) picture (i.e.

natal chart with sign/nakshatra/amsa divisions) used by astrology. You

CANNOT drive a tool beyond its limits! If you do you will end up

breaking the tool itself and losing even this minor tool!

> > > The point is - for predictive purpose we need to differentiate

the results provided by the signs (even though there is no border in

between), because it is the way the tool itself is hypothised. To

understand it clearly - I request you to see the Shadvarga of the last

degree of Pisces, and the first degree of Aries - you will see what I

mean! Hope this helps.

> > > Note: I don't want to lose the tool itself, but want to " use it,

as directed (by the sages) " - and that is the point I want to make.

And I hope, that is the way any one who respectes and want to use (and

derive the correct results, as per the methodology provided by ancient

indian sages will do and follow. There is NO OTHER WAY - Either

discard signs or accept the borders, NOT as a reality, but for

practical use of the tool.

> > > Love and regards,

> > > Sreenadh

> > > , Krishnamurthy

Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > I don't know if the country border is a right analogy here.

Even then, if we put up a bright light in our area close to the

boarder, will the light not reach the other side of the border?

> > > >

> > > > When combustion can take place across Rasi boarders, how can

we say the other planetory influences stop right at the Rasi border?

Is there a solid wall at the Rasi border?

> > > >

> > > > Amsahs change within a sign as well. But, how is it relevant

to the question being debated?

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Krishna

> > > >

> > > > sreeram srinivas sreeram64@ wrote:

> > > > Dear Madam,

> > > > Let us take an analogy, of less than One Degree difference at

" our borders " i.e India-Pakistan, Pakistan-China, India-China !!

People on either side of " fence " are generally not so much bother

about his as much as the people " resting " in their respective capitals !!

> > > > There has lot of debate in past over this, even Late Sri P.S.

Shastry has concluded that the zodaic is divided on " equal house " basis.

> > > > The use of " Sudharshan Chakra " would give better picture, for

the " difference in degree " would result in change in " amsa " position

!!...

> > > > " Near Degrees " concept and its Octave Vibration, is probably a

western astrology concept or Tajak Concept, to an extent also used in

Prasna Marga i.e. Mother scripture !!

> > > > with regards,

> > > > sreeram_srinivas

> > > >

> > > > , " vinita

kumar " shankar_mamta@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Shreenadhji,

> > > >

> > > > " A combination means same signs, or aspect between planets from

> > > > different signs etc, and the degrees of difference DOES NOT

come into

> > > > picture here " .

> > > >

> > > > But doesn't it?... as in the case of combustion? if it can matter

> > > > for planets close to the sun in the same sign, why cannot it

matter

> > > > for proximity of other planets???Supposing two planets are

within 2-

> > > > 3 degrees of each other in the same sign whould their effect have

> > > > been the same if one had been at say the 1st degree of the

sign and

> > > > the other at the 29th degree?...am just wondering whether this is

> > > > discussed as part of the clasical system or not? Are degrees

only of

> > > > relevance for divisionals? aren't they also taken into account

while

> > > > considering exaltation and debility? Or even baal and vridha

> > > > avastha, etc. for strenght???So if planets can be strong or

weak in

> > > > some degrees cannot their influence be governed by " close "

proximity

> > > > as opposed to " distant " proximity? (In western astrology,

though it

> > > > is a totally different system, stellium, or very close

proximity of

> > > > 3 or more planets, is considered to be an important

influence....But

> > > > i know i shouldn't mix up the two)

> > > >

> > > > Conversely, if there are two planets in close proximity, say

within

> > > > 2 degrees of each other, but in different signs, according to u /

> > > > the classics, there is NO sambandh between the two????????

> > > >

> > > > " Astro classics speak about 5 major types of Sambhadha

(relations). Explore it "

> > > >

> > > > Long time back i learnt abt this in one of the lessons of

> > > > Sanjayrathji....but i have clean forgotton... guess i am

getting old

> > > > and rusty:(

> > > >

> > > > how abt. helping out;))

> > > >

> > > > Best regards,

> > > > vinita

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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Dear Krishna ji,

There was a typo in previous mail - read - " If you agree OR disagree "

Regards,

Sreenadh

 

, " Sreenadh "

<sreesog wrote:

>

> Dear Krishna ji,

> If you agree of disagree - it would be good for you clear this

> ignorance of confusing Varga charts with Shadvarga (lordship). For

> your benefit here is basic direction -

> 1) Create a chart with Asc lognitude 359 degree 30 min in JHora and

> see the Shardvara (lordships) given for that degree.

> 2) Create a chart with Asc longitude 00 degree 30 min in JHora and

> see the Shadvarga (lordships) given for that degree.

> Note that even JHora does not confuce Varga charts and Shadvarga

> (lordships). In the same almost no practcal astrologer can confuce

> Varga charts and DIVISIONS OF SIGNS (based on degrees) SUCH AS HORA,

> DREKKANA, NAVAMSA, DWADESAMSA. And most of them will also clearly know

> that - as subdivisions of sign, they exist in PHYSICAL PLANE.

> Hope this helps. If this too is not helpful, sorry, I have done

> enough effort, and would like to drop-out from this useless effort to

> convince the one who don't want to see the point at all!

> Regards,

> Sreenadh

>

> , Krishnamurthy

> Seetharama <krishna_1998@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> >

> > Now I understand that we have difference of opinion on the basic

> premise of Astrology itself. Hence, I see no point in extending this

> discussion. I respect your views and at the same time I can not accept

> the same.

> >

> > So let us agree to disagree

> >

> > Regards,

> > Krishna

> >

> > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:

> > Dear Krishna ji,

> > ==>

> > > since you asked me to check the last degree of pices and first

> degree of aries in a varga chart

> > <==

> > I NEVER requested you to check the last degree of Pisces and

> first degree of Aries in a VARGA CHART.

> > My request is clearly copy -pasted below for clarity -

> > ==>

> > I request you to see the Shadvarga of the last degree of Pisces, and

> the first degree of Aries - you will see what I mean!

> > <==

> > Seeing something in Varga chart and checking the Shadvarga of a

> particular degree is entirely different things!!! I wonder why this

> confusion!

> > ==>

> > > But, what I wanted to highlight was that the influence of a planet

> does not become NULL at a

> > > Rasi border as if there is a wall at the border.

> > <==

> > No planets influence each other (except that gravitation etc) -

> it only that for the sake of result derivation we IMAGINE that planets

> influence each other. Why we do so, as per the directions given in

> astrological classics (to get the results, the practical usefulness of

> the system) we are supposed to follow and regard their construct

> (that is the Sign/Nakshatra borders). No border really exists - but

> it DOES MATTER in prediction. And NO INFLUENCE EXIST, and the existing

> gravitational influence DOES NOT MATTER in astrology!!

> > Love and regards,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > , Krishnamurthy

> Seetharama <krishna_1998@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> > >

> > > No problem to exchange ideas. I don't misunderstand as long as the

> discussion is issue based and does not get personal.

> > >

> > > When I said varga charts are not in physical plane, what I meant

> was the positions of the planets in varga charts and the distance

> between them (since you asked me to check the last degree of pices and

> first degree of aries in a varga chart).

> > >

> > > OK, I agree that combustion and conjunction are two different

> things. But, what I wanted to highlight was that the influence of a

> planet does not become NULL at a Rasi border as if there is a wall at

> the border. It does influence the planet if in close quaters, though

> not as much as in the same Rasi. In a same Rasi, two planets are also

> linked by the same dispositor and same tatwa (water, air ...) and

> hence the intensity of interaction is definitely of higher magnitude.

> > >

> > > Hope I am clear.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Krishna

> > >

> > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:

> > > Dear Krishna ji,

> > > Please don't misunderstand - I NEVER speak/use any kind of Varga

> charts - I am speaking about Vargas only and they do really exist in

> the phisical plane just like the signs. For example, first Navamsa of

> Aries means 0-3.20 of Aries, and first Dwadasamsa of Aries means

> 0-2.30 of Aries and so on - hope you see the point and reality. When I

> am speaking about the shad-vargadhipas, I was speaking about the lords

> (just like the sign lords) ascribed to these areas in the zodiac -

> hope it is clear.

> > > ==>

> > > > Why do we consider a planet combust when it is very close to the

> Sun even when it is not placed in the same sign?

> > > <==

> > > Because it is combust! But know clearly that conjuction

> (related prediction given in classics) and combust (related

> predictions given in classics) are 2 different things - and for the

> correct application -

> > > 1) First one need to check what these results are.

> > > 2) Then speak out BOTH THE RESULTS with required modification!

> > > Note: It is not that some result will get cancelled and the other

> will prevail! Conjunction and Combust are two SEPERATE things. Hope my

> statement is clear enough.

> > > Love and regards,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

> > > , Krishnamurthy

> Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> > > >

> > > > Varga charts are different, they are not in the physical plane,

> where as positions in Rasi represents planets in physical plane.

> Therefore, it is not fair to compare these two things.

> > > >

> > > > Why do we consider a planet combust when it is very close to the

> Sun even when it is not placed in the same sign?

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Krishna

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:

> > > > Dear Krishna ji,

> > > > ==>

> > > > > Is there a solid wall at the Rasi border?

> > > > <==

> > > > There is NO WALL between the Rasi borders - but there is MUCH

> LIMITATION associated with the tool (i.e. astrology) you are using!

> Know the methodology and the hypothetical (projected) picture (i.e.

> natal chart with sign/nakshatra/amsa divisions) used by astrology. You

> CANNOT drive a tool beyond its limits! If you do you will end up

> breaking the tool itself and losing even this minor tool!

> > > > The point is - for predictive purpose we need to differentiate

> the results provided by the signs (even though there is no border in

> between), because it is the way the tool itself is hypothised. To

> understand it clearly - I request you to see the Shadvarga of the last

> degree of Pisces, and the first degree of Aries - you will see what I

> mean! Hope this helps.

> > > > Note: I don't want to lose the tool itself, but want to " use it,

> as directed (by the sages) " - and that is the point I want to make.

> And I hope, that is the way any one who respectes and want to use (and

> derive the correct results, as per the methodology provided by ancient

> indian sages will do and follow. There is NO OTHER WAY - Either

> discard signs or accept the borders, NOT as a reality, but for

> practical use of the tool.

> > > > Love and regards,

> > > > Sreenadh

> > > > , Krishnamurthy

> Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > I don't know if the country border is a right analogy here.

> Even then, if we put up a bright light in our area close to the

> boarder, will the light not reach the other side of the border?

> > > > >

> > > > > When combustion can take place across Rasi boarders, how can

> we say the other planetory influences stop right at the Rasi border?

> Is there a solid wall at the Rasi border?

> > > > >

> > > > > Amsahs change within a sign as well. But, how is it relevant

> to the question being debated?

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Krishna

> > > > >

> > > > > sreeram srinivas sreeram64@ wrote:

> > > > > Dear Madam,

> > > > > Let us take an analogy, of less than One Degree difference at

> " our borders " i.e India-Pakistan, Pakistan-China, India-China !!

> People on either side of " fence " are generally not so much bother

> about his as much as the people " resting " in their respective

capitals !!

> > > > > There has lot of debate in past over this, even Late Sri P.S.

> Shastry has concluded that the zodaic is divided on " equal house " basis.

> > > > > The use of " Sudharshan Chakra " would give better picture, for

> the " difference in degree " would result in change in " amsa " position

> !!...

> > > > > " Near Degrees " concept and its Octave Vibration, is probably a

> western astrology concept or Tajak Concept, to an extent also used in

> Prasna Marga i.e. Mother scripture !!

> > > > > with regards,

> > > > > sreeram_srinivas

> > > > >

> > > > > , " vinita

> kumar " shankar_mamta@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Shreenadhji,

> > > > >

> > > > > " A combination means same signs, or aspect between planets from

> > > > > different signs etc, and the degrees of difference DOES NOT

> come into

> > > > > picture here " .

> > > > >

> > > > > But doesn't it?... as in the case of combustion? if it can

matter

> > > > > for planets close to the sun in the same sign, why cannot it

> matter

> > > > > for proximity of other planets???Supposing two planets are

> within 2-

> > > > > 3 degrees of each other in the same sign whould their effect

have

> > > > > been the same if one had been at say the 1st degree of the

> sign and

> > > > > the other at the 29th degree?...am just wondering whether

this is

> > > > > discussed as part of the clasical system or not? Are degrees

> only of

> > > > > relevance for divisionals? aren't they also taken into account

> while

> > > > > considering exaltation and debility? Or even baal and vridha

> > > > > avastha, etc. for strenght???So if planets can be strong or

> weak in

> > > > > some degrees cannot their influence be governed by " close "

> proximity

> > > > > as opposed to " distant " proximity? (In western astrology,

> though it

> > > > > is a totally different system, stellium, or very close

> proximity of

> > > > > 3 or more planets, is considered to be an important

> influence....But

> > > > > i know i shouldn't mix up the two)

> > > > >

> > > > > Conversely, if there are two planets in close proximity, say

> within

> > > > > 2 degrees of each other, but in different signs, according

to u /

> > > > > the classics, there is NO sambandh between the two????????

> > > > >

> > > > > " Astro classics speak about 5 major types of Sambhadha

> (relations). Explore it "

> > > > >

> > > > > Long time back i learnt abt this in one of the lessons of

> > > > > Sanjayrathji....but i have clean forgotton... guess i am

> getting old

> > > > > and rusty:(

> > > > >

> > > > > how abt. helping out;))

> > > > >

> > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > vinita

> > > > >

> > > > >

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[Guest guest]

Dear shreenadhji,

 

many thanks for clarifying so many things on sambandh! what i liked

most was the " virtual " construct of horoscopes which has nothing to

do with the " physical " construct, such as gravitational pulls,

physical proximity, etc.

 

now if the subject is not getting too long, i think most of our

discussion has centred around yuti as a type of sambandh. The

planets by being deposited in the same sign share the tatvas and

gunas of that sign and therefore are in sambandh with each other.

 

What abt. aspects as another type of sambandh? i had read somewhere

(and by no means in a classic) that aspects are like having the

planet in the same sign that it is aspecting. But it stands to

reason that the planet that aspects another sign must carry

influence the tatvas and gunas of the sign where it is deposited. So

naturally the influence of the sambandh by way of drishti should

be " qualitatively " dissimilar to that of sambandh by way of yuti.

 

is the abvoe interpretation correct?

do classics differentiate between the different types of sambandh

and their influence?

are there only qualitative differences or difference in potency as

well?

can one say that dristhi of the planet, since it carries the

influence of the sign where it is deposited, makes a bit of a

khitchri of the sign and planet it aspects...and therefore

conjunction is a " purer " /less of a khitchri type of influence?

leaving aside the degrees in the sign, don't u think that planets

posited in the same nakshatra in a sign (which also means that they

are closer together in terms of degrees) become more potent in

conjunction carrying the characteristics of the same nakshatra?

there are natshatras that " spill over " to another sign...in which

case will planets situated in the same nakshatra but posited in 2

different signs carry some influence of conjunction?

(i suspect what your reaction to this would be ...As for me, u

would know that i am trying to sneak in the earlier argument in a

different guise;)))

 

i know these are hypothetical questions and may have no relationship

with what is written in classics....but i ask them nevertheless for

greater clarity to my understanding....and for an interpretation

thru classics of different forms of sambandha among planets!

 

hope u and others don't mind.

 

warm regards,

vinita