Guest guest Posted December 20, 2007 Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 Dear Jyotiben, Continuing from previous email...where I forgot to give an example: Example : Consider Jupiter in 2H, Rahu in 7H.....after 6 years Transit Jupiter will be passing over natal Rahu....i.e. time of illness....again after 12 yrs i.e. age 18 yrs....like that...... with regards, sreeram_srinivas , " jyothi_b_lakshmi " <jyothi_b_lakshmi wrote: Dear Sir, " Age is the distance betwen raghu maranakargfha )breath and jupiter the jeeva karagha calculate every 12 years to from jupiter for each sign upto raghu the reaching time of jupiter to raghu even as per one year calculated for one sign upto raghu gives some health problems and dangers in life and pls check whenever jupiter is hemmed between saturn and mars raghu short life accident etc and any relieving nivarthi by 3rd house or 11th house may extend life " Can you please explain this bit by bit? I am sorry I couldnt make out what you actually meant. Regards, Jyothi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2007 Report Share Posted December 22, 2007 Dear Manoj, Are you sure of the planetary placements as detailed in your email ?? Kindly cast the horoscope and then repost again with regards, sreeram_srinivas , MANOJ KAR <manoj_kar7 wrote: Dear Sir, I have deblited saturn in 12th house,house of Aries & its lord Mars is placed in 8th house,the house of sagitarius.So is it a neechavanga yoga? since these two planets are basically enemy, so what will be the effect. DOB-7th Oct 1969,POB-Sambalpur(orissa),TOB-08.04 PM regards manoj kar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2007 Report Share Posted December 22, 2007 Dear Members, It appears from all the details posted on the debilitated planets that they are the most desirable things in an horoscope for they are seen or {Made to see only good} giving excellent results..... The fact is that it cannot be !! that excellent as it is being made to .........I did cast few hororscopes with the provided data, if one were to truthfully interpret and predict surely some personal things would surface.....I am not sure if the respective members would be equally truthful in accepting them or provide a truthful account of events.... All that is painted green is not that green.....{ on the subject of debilitated planets...} else, astrology as stated in the scriptures needs to be ignored.....or forgotten....which for all reasons being the words of wisdome from our rishis or seers......there is greater truth in their sayings..... with regards, sreeram_srinivas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2007 Report Share Posted December 22, 2007 Dear Srinivas ji, A Neechagraha providing Rajayoga is like a unkind, ruthless, money minded, petty man making more money by lending it for high interest, devastating the life of many. As we can clearly see in this example, the debilitated planet clearly played its role (by making the native a neecha, debilitated/uncultured/unkind individual during its dasa), but due to the bhanga (i.e. if Neechabhanga is present in horoscope), he becomes wealthy by utilizing his malecious quolities, and thus it is termed Rajayoga! So the point is, "The results predicted for both -1. Planet in debilitation and 2. for Neecha bhanga Rajayoga - apply". This itself is the beauty of astrology and that is why the dictum - "No cancellation of results in astrology". If you provide an example chart - I will clarify it with going to the details of related results. Note: It seems that there are too many netizons with debilitated planets in this era of Rahu as Sunil ji puts it! All neechas are getting activated (and too many free reading requests comes), and now the subject neechagrha rules the group. :) Love and regards, Sreenadh , "sreeram srinivas" <sreeram64 wrote:>> > Dear Members,> > It appears from all the details posted on the debilitated planets that> they are the most desirable things in an horoscope for they are seen or> {Made to see only good} giving excellent results.....> > The fact is that it cannot be !! that excellent as it is being made to> ........I did cast few hororscopes with the provided data, if one were> to truthfully interpret and predict surely some personal things would> surface.....I am not sure if the respective members would be equally> truthful in accepting them or provide a truthful account of events....> > All that is painted green is not that green.....{ on the subject of> debilitated planets...} else, astrology as stated in the scriptures> needs to be ignored.....or forgotten....which for all reasons being the> words of wisdome from our rishis or seers......there is greater truth in> their sayings.....> > with regards,> > sreeram_srinivas> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2007 Report Share Posted December 23, 2007 Respected Sir, Yes i am sure about the planetary postion as mentioned below,infact i am learning astrlogy & trying to learn from you & other scolars of this group.So pl help me to learn. In the chat given "the 10th lord(Rahu placed in the 10th of kumbha rasi) is saturn,debilited and sitting in mesh rasi in the 12th house & the mesh rasi lord is placed in the 8th house of dhanu rasi.So is this combination is a neechabhanga yoga or what,pl discuss briefly & let me know the effect. Regards & thanks manoj kar sreeram srinivas <sreeram64 wrote: Dear Manoj,Are you sure of the planetary placements as detailed in your email ?? Kindly cast the horoscope and then repost againwith regards,sreeram_srinivas , MANOJ KAR<manoj_kar7 wrote:Dear Sir,I have deblited saturn in 12th house,house of Aries & its lord Mars isplaced in 8th house,the house of sagitarius.So is it a neechavanga yoga?since these two planets are basically enemy, so what will be the effect.DOB-7th Oct 1969,POB-Sambalpur(orissa),TOB-08.04 PMregardsmanoj kar Bollywood, fun, friendship, sports and more. You name it, we have it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2007 Report Share Posted December 23, 2007 Dear Sreenadh, I totally agree to your view point, with many claiming that the debilitated planet has done extremely well to the native, which a farce statement in real sense, for debilitation means lowest or meaness quality of the planet, its attributes should be revealed or surface. Members saying it gave excellent results belies the basic attributes of the planet. I restrained myself in revealing the negative traits of the debilitated planets for it may violate the privacy of the individuals in public forum, possibly some may even deny the prediction for individuals are at times sensitive to predictions - which we have seen in past,...so considering that they have good intentions of learning, would only post the generic trends & qualities of a debilitated planet at a later stage. We did see that in past also, on this debilitated issues. Example:- I once, analyzed a member's birthdata online {chat}, on his/her insistence, to the point of so much in details, he/her got scared and requested to end it there.....but appreciate for the member gave honest feedback of things being true. The member continues to be in group. I respect it. with regards, sreeram_srinivas with regards, Sreeram_Srinivas , " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote: Dear Srinivas ji, A Neechagraha providing Rajayoga is like a unkind, ruthless, money minded, petty man making more money by lending it for high interest, devastating the life of many. As we can clearly see in this example, the debilitated planet clearly played its role (by making the native a neecha, debilitated/uncultured/unkind individual during its dasa), but due to the bhanga (i.e. if Neechabhanga is present in horoscope), he becomes wealthy by utilizing his malecious quolities, and thus it is termed Rajayoga! So the point is, " The results predicted for both -1. Planet in debilitation and 2. for Neecha bhanga Rajayoga - apply " . This itself is the beauty of astrology and that is why the dictum - " No cancellation of results in astrology " . If you provide an example chart - I will clarify it with going to the details of related results. Note: It seems that there are too many netizons with debilitated planets in this era of Rahu as Sunil ji puts it! All neechas are getting activated (and too many free reading requests comes), and now the subject neechagrha rules the group. :) Love and regards, Sreenadh , " sreeram srinivas " sreeram64@ wrote: Dear Members, It appears from all the details posted on the debilitated planets that they are the most desirable things in an horoscope for they are seen or {Made to see only good} giving excellent results..... The fact is that it cannot be !! that excellent as it is being made to ........I did cast few hororscopes with the provided data, if one were to truthfully interpret and predict surely some personal things would surface.....I am not sure if the respective members would be equally truthful in accepting them or provide a truthful account of events.... All that is painted green is not that green.....{ on the subject of debilitated planets...} else, astrology as stated in the scriptures needs to be ignored.....or forgotten....which for all reasons being the words of wisdome from our rishis or seers......there is greater truth in their sayings..... with regards, sreeram_srinivas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2007 Report Share Posted December 23, 2007 " A Neechagraha providing Rajayoga is like a unkind, ruthless, money minded, petty man making more money by lending it for high interest, devastating the life of many. As we can clearly see in this example, the debilitated planet clearly played its role (by making the native a neecha, debilitated/uncultured/unkind individual during its dasa), but due to the bhanga (i.e. if Neechabhanga is present in horoscope), he becomes wealthy by utilizing his malecious qualities, and thus it is termed Rajayoga! " i have not been following the discussions on this but would like to give an example of a retro exalted planet (and therefore neech) giving good results. this is the case of Taurus Lagna with retro Saturn in 6th House (Libra). the native will never run the MD of Saturn but during the antardashas this planet has given fairly good results, specially from the career point of view, since Saturn also rules 10th House. i am not sure on the following counts... is is correct to consider an exalted planet as debilitated if it is retro? are the good results because of a debilitated malefic in an upachaya house...or because Saturn in any case is yogakaraka for Taurus? if it is the latter then a debilitated yogakaraka should not give good results...so it must be the former, isn't it??? , " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote: > > Dear Srinivas ji, > A Neechagraha providing Rajayoga is like a unkind, ruthless, money > minded, petty man making more money by lending it for high interest, > devastating the life of many. As we can clearly see in this example, the > debilitated planet clearly played its role (by making the native a > neecha, debilitated/uncultured/unkind individual during its dasa), but > due to the bhanga (i.e. if Neechabhanga is present in horoscope), he > becomes wealthy by utilizing his malecious quolities, and thus it is > termed Rajayoga! > So the point is, " The results predicted for both -1. Planet in > debilitation and 2. for Neecha bhanga Rajayoga - apply " . This itself is > the beauty of astrology and that is why the dictum - " No cancellation of > results in astrology " . > If you provide an example chart - I will clarify it with going to the > details of related results. > Note: It seems that there are too many netizons with debilitated > planets in this era of Rahu as Sunil ji puts it! All neechas are getting > activated (and too many free reading requests comes), and now the > subject neechagrha rules the group. :) > Love and regards, > Sreenadh > > , " sreeram srinivas " > <sreeram64@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > It appears from all the details posted on the debilitated planets that > > they are the most desirable things in an horoscope for they are seen > or > > {Made to see only good} giving excellent results..... > > > > The fact is that it cannot be !! that excellent as it is being made > to > > ........I did cast few hororscopes with the provided data, if one > were > > to truthfully interpret and predict surely some personal things would > > surface.....I am not sure if the respective members would be equally > > truthful in accepting them or provide a truthful account of events.... > > > > All that is painted green is not that green.....{ on the subject of > > debilitated planets...} else, astrology as stated in the scriptures > > needs to be ignored.....or forgotten....which for all reasons being > the > > words of wisdome from our rishis or seers......there is greater truth > in > > their sayings..... > > > > with regards, > > > > sreeram_srinivas > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2007 Report Share Posted December 24, 2007 Dear Vinita ji,==>retro exalted planet (and therefore neech) giving good results.<== Oh!! That is really something new to me! Retrograde planets in exaltation should be considered as debilitated?!! I don't think so. * Retrograde planet in exaltation, if it is a benefic will surely give excellent good results. * Retrograde planet in exaltation, if it is a malefic then will give good results by the end of the dasa, but will cause much unwantered trouble, hard work, wandering (travel) and suffering during its desa as well. Now coming to Sa in 6th for Taurus Lagna - * Sa is yogakaraka because it owns 9th and 10th house from Taurus Lagna * But many classics such as Bhavartha Ratnakara & Leghu Jataka presents a corollary and indicate that - Saturn CANNOT give the full results as yogakaraka for Tarus laga. (exalted in 6th debilitated from 12th from Tarus). Combining these two points we can only expect "a fairly good period" in the Antar dasa of Saturn; i.e. Almost the continuation of the results the native was experiencing. On the Job front some special good results can be expected because, Sa is the significator of 10th house, owns 10th house, and is placed in 6th house indicating service. Thus a native in service will definitely receive the beneficial results of Saturn during this period. But otherwise owning to the fact that it gives too much travel, hard word, efforts fructifying after much delay only etc - the period can be said only as providing "fairly good results" and not excellent. Note: The exalted planet in retrograde CANNOT be considered as in debilitation. It IS an Exalted planet!Love and regards,Sreenadh , "vinita kumar" <shankar_mamta wrote:>> > "A Neechagraha providing Rajayoga is like a unkind, ruthless, money > minded, petty man making more money by lending it for high interest, > devastating the life of many. As we can clearly see in this example, > the debilitated planet clearly played its role (by making the native > a neecha, debilitated/uncultured/unkind individual during its dasa), > but due to the bhanga (i.e. if Neechabhanga is present in > horoscope), he becomes wealthy by utilizing his malecious qualities, > and thus it is termed Rajayoga!" > > i have not been following the discussions on this but would like to > give an example of a retro exalted planet (and therefore neech) > giving good results.> > this is the case of Taurus Lagna with retro Saturn in 6th House > (Libra).> > the native will never run the MD of Saturn but during the > antardashas this planet has given fairly good results, specially > from the career point of view, since Saturn also rules 10th House.> > i am not sure on the following counts...> is is correct to consider an exalted planet as debilitated if it is > retro?> are the good results because of a debilitated malefic in an upachaya > house...or because Saturn in any case is yogakaraka for Taurus?> > if it is the latter then a debilitated yogakaraka should not give > good results...so it must be the former, isn't it???> > , "Sreenadh" > sreesog@ wrote:> >> > Dear Srinivas ji,> > A Neechagraha providing Rajayoga is like a unkind, ruthless, > money> > minded, petty man making more money by lending it for high > interest,> > devastating the life of many. As we can clearly see in this > example, the> > debilitated planet clearly played its role (by making the native a> > neecha, debilitated/uncultured/unkind individual during its dasa), > but> > due to the bhanga (i.e. if Neechabhanga is present in horoscope), > he> > becomes wealthy by utilizing his malecious quolities, and thus it > is> > termed Rajayoga!> > So the point is, "The results predicted for both -1. Planet in> > debilitation and 2. for Neecha bhanga Rajayoga - apply". This > itself is> > the beauty of astrology and that is why the dictum - "No > cancellation of> > results in astrology".> > If you provide an example chart - I will clarify it with going > to the> > details of related results.> > Note: It seems that there are too many netizons with debilitated> > planets in this era of Rahu as Sunil ji puts it! All neechas are > getting> > activated (and too many free reading requests comes), and now the> > subject neechagrha rules the group. :)> > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> > > > , "sreeram srinivas"> > <sreeram64@> wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear Members,> > >> > > It appears from all the details posted on the debilitated > planets that> > > they are the most desirable things in an horoscope for they are > seen> > or> > > {Made to see only good} giving excellent results.....> > >> > > The fact is that it cannot be !! that excellent as it is being > made> > to> > > ........I did cast few hororscopes with the provided data, if > one> > were> > > to truthfully interpret and predict surely some personal things > would> > > surface.....I am not sure if the respective members would be > equally> > > truthful in accepting them or provide a truthful account of > events....> > >> > > All that is painted green is not that green.....{ on the subject > of> > > debilitated planets...} else, astrology as stated in the > scriptures> > > needs to be ignored.....or forgotten....which for all reasons > being> > the> > > words of wisdome from our rishis or seers......there is greater > truth> > in> > > their sayings.....> > >> > > with regards,> > >> > > sreeram_srinivas> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2007 Report Share Posted December 24, 2007 To think that the neecha graha bestows an unkind and ruthless quality to the person is not entirely true. The person undoubtedly suffers at least one aspect if not more, due to the neechagraha. But due to it aspecting its house of exalation and other things like placements, basic nature (karaka) of the planet etc. it may give another avenue to the person to excel in. Also there is an intresting rule most may know but is sometimes overlooked : Benefics that are debilitated become powerless in giving results, but malefics that are debilitated give " bhayankar " results. Maybe that is what Sreenadji is talking about. --- On Sun, 23/12/07, vinita kumar <shankar_mamta wrote: vinita kumar <shankar_mamta Re: NEECHA GRAGHA Date: Sunday, 23 December, 2007, 2:29 PM "A Neechagraha providing Rajayoga is like a unkind, ruthless, money minded, petty man making more money by lending it for high interest, devastating the life of many. As we can clearly see in this example, the debilitated planet clearly played its role (by making the native a neecha, debilitated/ uncultured/ unkind individual during its dasa), but due to the bhanga (i.e. if Neechabhanga is present in horoscope), he becomes wealthy by utilizing his malecious qualities, and thus it is termed Rajayoga!" i have not been following the discussions on this but would like to give an example of a retro exalted planet (and therefore neech) giving good results.this is the case of Taurus Lagna with retro Saturn in 6th House (Libra).the native will never run the MD of Saturn but during the antardashas this planet has given fairly good results, specially from the career point of view, since Saturn also rules 10th House.i am not sure on the following counts....is is correct to consider an exalted planet as debilitated if it is retro?are the good results because of a debilitated malefic in an upachaya house...or because Saturn in any case is yogakaraka for Taurus?if it is the latter then a debilitated yogakaraka should not give good results...so it must be the former, isn't it???ancient_indian_ astrology, "Sreenadh" <sreesog > wrote:>> Dear Srinivas ji,> A Neechagraha providing Rajayoga is like a unkind, ruthless, money> minded, petty man making more money by lending it for high interest,> devastating the life of many. As we can clearly see in this example, the> debilitated planet clearly played its role (by making the native a> neecha, debilitated/ uncultured/ unkind individual during its dasa), but> due to the bhanga (i.e. if Neechabhanga is present in horoscope), he> becomes wealthy by utilizing his malecious quolities, and thus it is> termed Rajayoga!> So the point is, "The results predicted for both -1. Planet in> debilitation and 2. for Neecha bhanga Rajayoga - apply". This itself is> the beauty of astrology and that is why the dictum - "No cancellation of> results in astrology".> If you provide an example chart - I will clarify it with going to the> details of related results.> Note: It seems that there are too many netizons with debilitated> planets in this era of Rahu as Sunil ji puts it! All neechas are getting> activated (and too many free reading requests comes), and now the> subject neechagrha rules the group. :)> Love and regards,> Sreenadh> > ancient_indian_ astrology, "sreeram srinivas"> <sreeram64@> wrote:> >> >> > Dear Members,> >> > It appears from all the details posted on the debilitated planets that> > they are the most desirable things in an horoscope for they are seen> or> > {Made to see only good} giving excellent results.....> >> > The fact is that it cannot be !! that excellent as it is being made> to> > ........I did cast few hororscopes with the provided data, if one> were> > to truthfully interpret and predict surely some personal things would> > surface..... I am not sure if the respective members would be equally> > truthful in accepting them or provide a truthful account of events....> >> > All that is painted green is not that green.....{ on the subject of> > debilitated planets...} else, astrology as stated in the scriptures> > needs to be ignored..... or forgotten... .which for all reasons being> the> > words of wisdome from our rishis or seers......there is greater truth> in> > their sayings.....> >> > with regards,> >> > sreeram_srinivas> >> Explore your hobbies and interests. Click here to begin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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