AHU and KETU in isolation

[Guest guest]

In astrology, initially we study planets in isolation for simplicity,

then combine it with other planets to know the effect. Same method is

followed even in the classics. So we are not falling in any of those

exception lines.

 

Why surf the or google the internet, when classics are clear with

details on details of every planet in each sign and house. Refer any

version of BPHS or Jatak Parijat...e.tc... References are in plenty.

 

The point of isolation study is for the transit effects of Rahu, for it

on its own can make or break things. Kindly refer the Chandrakala Nadi

of Late Sri Santanam in three Volumes each running into 600 odd pages

{to my memory}.

 

The problems in our searching for shortcuts.

 

with regards,

 

sreeram srinivas

 

 

, " Chandu2chill "

<nanna_id2006 wrote:

>

> Dear Ancient_indian_astrology Team and Members,

>

> While reading on comments of Effects of Rahu in various

> houses...below thoughts came to me. Hence posting them here for

> Experts/learned member's inputs for my further understanding..

>

> Like the same (Effects of Rahu in various House Post) most of the

> time i found isolated readings/writings on the net about these two

> shadow planets.

>

> With my little understaning what i learnt is Rahu and Ketu are

> Karmic Planets, always move/transit together, and postion 7 Houses

> apart (Pls correct me if i am wrong)

>

> Now my question(s)

>

> Is it appropriate to study these TWO planets in isolation for

> deriving the effects and results?

>

> But i was rather thinking i should study these two planets together

> for any results since both are housed respectively in a perticular

> House(s)? it this is a proper approach?

>

> for Eg: If Ketu in 2nd Rahu will be in 8th in the chart(s)when the

> Native is borne.

>

> And i found this below article which analysis based on both Rahu and

> Ketu's position.

>

> I quote;

>

> " KETU IN TAURUS RAHU IN SCORPIO: Ketu in Taurus indicates that the

> native in the recent past lives has ATTEMPTED to create security by

> being secure in Material world, this usually means through wealth

> and practical resourcefulness. Identifying with these has provided

> security and stability in a world that is not entirly so. In THIS

> LIFE time Ketu indicates growing discontentment with materiality, as

> well as a tendency to disrupt any material structures of security,

> and so in doing the evolutionary goal of Ketu to free the native

> from material attachments is accomplished. Ketu in Taurus also

> indicates that the native is also completing their karmas with

> respect to those material things that have provided security. Those

> things being indicated by the house position of Ketu as well as

> planets influenced by Ketu.

>

> Rahu in Scorpio indicates incredibly strong needs, needs that are

> not fullfilled by any security that the physical world has to offer.

> This may cause the native to compulssively feed of something that

> appears to fullfill a need, but when it is seen that it is not

> fullfilled, another is sought. As long as the native is attempting

> to fullfill their needs through any physical manifestation, they

> will find themselves empty and unfullfilled. As they are able to

> gain more inner security, they become capable of greater happiness.

>

> Ketu in Taurus also indicates strong material attachments formed in

> the recent past lives, while Rahu in Scorpio indicates transmutation

> of these attachments as a result of experiencing lack of security "

>

> Unquote

>

> Appreciate your comments

>

> Chann

>

[Guest guest]

I have read about Rahu and Ketu, and subject Rahu in different house.

 

 

Firstly I would suggest, know the characteristics and role/potential

of the planet, gender, how it look like etc. Then it will be easy to

zero-in the prediction.

 

Characteristics - Rahu - when stand-alone, it will bring illusion

and high ambition to the house where it stands. So there will be

under achievement. If it is in good position, it will give 60% of

expection, but still the native will feel under achieved. If in bad

position, it will take you for a ride. It is an action hero.

 

When conjoined with other planet, it does behave like the inmate.

 

 

Ketu, on the other hand, will put you into poignancy mode, if it is

not in good position(You will feel poignant for the matter where it is

placed). It is a burning block without flame. In short.. if in

good position you will be happy with spiritual achievement etc for

long years.

An in bad position( there will be no sudden set-back like Rahu does,

but a long run poignancy due to some loss or under achievement)

 

 

 

Regards

Hari

[Guest guest]

Dear Agarwalji,

 

Thank you for the participation in the discussion.

 

At the outset, let me tell my view on the prediction methods and

approaching an astrologer. We just take a horoscope chart and try

predicting it whatever knowledge we have gathered.

 

In South India, good astrologers are even not satisfied with the

Horoscope that we provide. They adopt Prashnamarga over above the

chart (There are various method like Deva Prashnam, Ashtamangalya

Prashnam, Thamboola Prashnam..... etc). This is for crystalised

prediction.

 

Say, you have provided two Horoscope of 1970s. The native has spent

35 years already.

 

Case -1, If a particular astrologer predicted for 60 years from

1970, He has the report till 2030.

 

But if you go to him now, he will again use Cowdi(Prashna) to

ascertain the current status (after 35 years may be due to your

Karam or Dharam what changes are felt). So what prediction he will

make for balane 25 years will definitely vary from the past

prediction he has written down.

 

Further an astrologer must cross check timing of major events with

the given Horoscope whether it is exactly matching. If the events

are not matching, different ayanamsa must apply and tally it. If the

past is not matching perfectly, there may be error in time of

birth/place of birth/selection of Ayanamsa.

 

So just a casual prediction will mislead a person.

 

I invite suggestion on this from Srinadhji and Sriramji who has

knowledge about Prashnamarga.

 

I may be having wrong notion, if so, kindly correct me.

 

Regards

Hari

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " Amar Aggarwal "

<amar1145 wrote:

>

> Dear Members,

> Mr.Hashmi963 has tried to clarify the nature and behaviour

of Rahu

> and Ketu, but explantion is too little to understand the actual

behaviour of

> these lunar nodes.it is my personal request that who so ever

contributor is

> he/she should prove the point through example. for instance i give

below two

> charts:

> 1.Male:DOB:18/06/1975/Chandigarh and horoscope is :Asdt. is Leo,

with the

> Moon in Virgo, Rahu in Scorpio,Mars and jupiter in Pisces,

Mercury & Ketu in

> Taurus,the Sun & Saturn in Gemini and Venus in Cancer.Balance dasa

at birth

> was that of Mars for 6y.aproximately.

> 2.Male:DOB:12/12/1979,TOB:12:10PM IST, POB:Ludhiana and horoscope

is:Asdt.

> Aquarius with Ketu, Rahu, Jupiter and Mars in Leo, Saturn & the

Moon in

> Virgo, the Sun & Mercury in Scorpio and Venus in Sagittarius.

Rahu's Major

> Period Started In 2000.

> I will look froward for the expert comments as far as Rahu's

behaviour is

> concerned.

> Regards,

> Dr.Amar Aggarwal

>

>

> On 12/20/07, hashmi963 <hashmi963 wrote:

> >

> > I have read about Rahu and Ketu, and subject Rahu in different

house.

> >

> > Firstly I would suggest, know the characteristics and

role/potential

> > of the planet, gender, how it look like etc. Then it will be

easy to

> > zero-in the prediction.

> >

> > Characteristics - Rahu - when stand-alone, it will bring illusion

> > and high ambition to the house where it stands. So there will be

> > under achievement. If it is in good position, it will give 60% of

> > expection, but still the native will feel under achieved. If in

bad

> > position, it will take you for a ride. It is an action hero.

> >

> > When conjoined with other planet, it does behave like the inmate.

> >

> > Ketu, on the other hand, will put you into poignancy mode, if it

is

> > not in good position(You will feel poignant for the matter where

it is

> > placed). It is a burning block without flame. In short.. if in

> > good position you will be happy with spiritual achievement etc

for

> > long years.

> > An in bad position( there will be no sudden set-back like Rahu

does,

> > but a long run poignancy due to some loss or under achievement)

> >

> > Regards

> > Hari

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Namasthe.

 

I am intrigued by your statement about good and bad position and how did

you arrive at a figure of 60%.

 

What would be your opinion for people with Aries lagna and stand alone

Rahu in one case in the 5th house and in another case the 6th house. I

know both these people are undergoing Rahu dasa as well now. One is

suffering very badly and the other one is having the best time in their

life.

 

I don't mean to test your knowledge here. But would it be possible to

tell which one is doing well and who is suffering and the reasons for

that?

 

Thanks.

 

 

, " hashmi963 "

<hashmi963 wrote:

>

> I have read about Rahu and Ketu, and subject Rahu in different house.

>

>

> Firstly I would suggest, know the characteristics and role/potential

> of the planet, gender, how it look like etc. Then it will be easy to

> zero-in the prediction.

>

> Characteristics - Rahu - when stand-alone, it will bring illusion

> and high ambition to the house where it stands. So there will be

> under achievement. If it is in good position, it will give 60% of

> expection, but still the native will feel under achieved. If in bad

> position, it will take you for a ride. It is an action hero.

>

> When conjoined with other planet, it does behave like the inmate.

>

>

> Ketu, on the other hand, will put you into poignancy mode, if it is

> not in good position(You will feel poignant for the matter where it is

> placed). It is a burning block without flame. In short.. if in

> good position you will be happy with spiritual achievement etc for

> long years.

> An in bad position( there will be no sudden set-back like Rahu does,

> but a long run poignancy due to some loss or under achievement)

>

>

>

> Regards

> Hari

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Subba Iyer Ji

 

Namasthe..

 

Aries-Lagna, 5th house ... stand alone Rahu, means it has high

expectation regarding children, even if it is good at 5th H the

native will be expecting their children to be a Doctor, but end up

as Compounder, if more bad means the native will without issue, or

losing them in between. If a grown up girl child means, eloping with

someone, and the father go around filing FIR in police (these can be

studied from resultant combinations). 5th is a Karaka for Mind too

(not brain) and it will affect accordingly(good /bad).

 

Regarding 6th position yes.. I narraged a Tamil quote yesterday

 

KETTAVAN, KETTATHIL KETTIDUM RAJAYOGAM

 

I think you understand Tamil. Rahu is a Malfic and at 6th house it

will annihilate enemy...

 

One thing more..... Raja Yoga..and Gaja Kesari yoga etc.. means

peaceful life... though it sounds great.. it only indicate healthy

and peaceful life.

 

Regards

Hari

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " subba_appa "

<subba.iyer wrote:

>

> Namasthe.

>

> I am intrigued by your statement about good and bad position and

how did

> you arrive at a figure of 60%.

>

> What would be your opinion for people with Aries lagna and stand

alone

> Rahu in one case in the 5th house and in another case the 6th

house. I

> know both these people are undergoing Rahu dasa as well now. One is

> suffering very badly and the other one is having the best time in

their

> life.

>

> I don't mean to test your knowledge here. But would it be possible

to

> tell which one is doing well and who is suffering and the reasons

for

> that?

>

> Thanks.

>

>

> , " hashmi963 "

> <hashmi963@> wrote:

> >

> > I have read about Rahu and Ketu, and subject Rahu in different

house.

> >

> >

> > Firstly I would suggest, know the characteristics and

role/potential

> > of the planet, gender, how it look like etc. Then it will be

easy to

> > zero-in the prediction.

> >

> > Characteristics - Rahu - when stand-alone, it will bring

illusion

> > and high ambition to the house where it stands. So there will be

> > under achievement. If it is in good position, it will give 60%

of

> > expection, but still the native will feel under achieved. If in

bad

> > position, it will take you for a ride. It is an action hero.

> >

> > When conjoined with other planet, it does behave like the inmate.

> >

> >

> > Ketu, on the other hand, will put you into poignancy mode, if it

is

> > not in good position(You will feel poignant for the matter where

it is

> > placed). It is a burning block without flame. In short..

if in

> > good position you will be happy with spiritual achievement etc

for

> > long years.

> > An in bad position( there will be no sudden set-back like Rahu

does,

> > but a long run poignancy due to some loss or under achievement)

> >

> >

> >

> > Regards

> > Hari

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Hari ji:

 

namasthe. With all humility, I have to comment that your assessment is

incorrect.

 

This native, Aries lagna with Rahu in 5th house doesn't have much

expectations about the children, in any significant way than any parent

would have about the children. The parent has never pressurized the

children in any way not has the parenting been done to be demanding.

 

The other native Aries lagna (rahu in 6th house), has been a victim of

office politics in some of the organizations that he has worked and has

never come out victorious. Yes, he could have won a few arguments and

made his point, but he has lost big time with the enemies. Surprisingly,

only during his Rahu dasa has he also lost 2 of his very old and good

friends due to misunderstanding. He is kind enough and not the

quarrelsome or irritable type to have enemies.

 

I just thought that I will remind you that you have still not dealt with

my basic query:

 

What's the good and bad position (criteria, conditions etc.) and how did

you arrive at the neat figure of 60%.

 

I would have furnished the details of both the charts but since the

moderator may take exception to that, I have refrained.

 

Hope you would enlighten me

 

thanks

 

 

, " hashmi963 "

<hashmi963 wrote:

>

> Dear Subba Iyer Ji

>

> Namasthe..

>

> Aries-Lagna, 5th house ... stand alone Rahu, means it has high

> expectation regarding children, even if it is good at 5th H the

> native will be expecting their children to be a Doctor, but end up

> as Compounder, if more bad means the native will without issue, or

> losing them in between. If a grown up girl child means, eloping with

> someone, and the father go around filing FIR in police (these can be

> studied from resultant combinations). 5th is a Karaka for Mind too

> (not brain) and it will affect accordingly(good /bad).

>

> Regarding 6th position yes.. I narraged a Tamil quote yesterday

>

> KETTAVAN, KETTATHIL KETTIDUM RAJAYOGAM

>

> I think you understand Tamil. Rahu is a Malfic and at 6th house it

> will annihilate enemy...

>

> One thing more..... Raja Yoga..and Gaja Kesari yoga etc.. means

> peaceful life... though it sounds great.. it only indicate healthy

> and peaceful life.

>

> Regards

> Hari

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

, " subba_appa "

> subba.iyer@ wrote:

> >

> > Namasthe.

> >

> > I am intrigued by your statement about good and bad position and

> how did

> > you arrive at a figure of 60%.

> >

> > What would be your opinion for people with Aries lagna and stand

> alone

> > Rahu in one case in the 5th house and in another case the 6th

> house. I

> > know both these people are undergoing Rahu dasa as well now. One is

> > suffering very badly and the other one is having the best time in

> their

> > life.

> >

> > I don't mean to test your knowledge here. But would it be possible

> to

> > tell which one is doing well and who is suffering and the reasons

> for

> > that?

> >

> > Thanks.

> >

> >

> > , " hashmi963 "

> > <hashmi963@> wrote:

> > >

> > > I have read about Rahu and Ketu, and subject Rahu in different

> house.

> > >

> > >

> > > Firstly I would suggest, know the characteristics and

> role/potential

> > > of the planet, gender, how it look like etc. Then it will be

> easy to

> > > zero-in the prediction.

> > >

> > > Characteristics - Rahu - when stand-alone, it will bring

> illusion

> > > and high ambition to the house where it stands. So there will be

> > > under achievement. If it is in good position, it will give 60%

> of

> > > expection, but still the native will feel under achieved. If in

> bad

> > > position, it will take you for a ride. It is an action hero.

> > >

> > > When conjoined with other planet, it does behave like the inmate.

> > >

> > >

> > > Ketu, on the other hand, will put you into poignancy mode, if it

> is

> > > not in good position(You will feel poignant for the matter where

> it is

> > > placed). It is a burning block without flame. In short..

> if in

> > > good position you will be happy with spiritual achievement etc

> for

> > > long years.

> > > An in bad position( there will be no sudden set-back like Rahu

> does,

> > > but a long run poignancy due to some loss or under achievement)

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Hari

> > >

> >

>