head is going round / India and Europe

[Guest guest]

Dear List,

I am a newbie on this Indian list and it is interesting to see, how

Indians see my European culture, though my impression is, that most

people of this list are already very much infected by the " Western

scientific world view " , which I would call nothing but another myth.

 

You are arguing about precession with the same questions like

Europeans: Did the ancients (more than 2500 years ago) knew it or not?

 

My result is: They did not know from the point of view of our " Western

scientific weltanschauung " . But they knew it in their ancient world

world view, what we call myth now.

 

May I cite here the archeoastronomer A. Aveni:

" We call our recent myth science "

 

But the more I look into this matter, the more I see that religions and

confessions steer people with timekeeping, where the knowledge about

this timekeeping is hands of religious organisations like a monopoly.

The time becomes sacrificed, holy: dates, days, month etc get the names

of Gods and were religiously celebrated and the followers follow. They

follow the Brahmans, the Pope and whom ever, and do not question any

longer ...

The principal structure thats causes their followship is the

timekeeping, which stated to be under (super) holy supervision ... holy

super-stated ... nothing but superstition, like the origin of the

weekdays or the adjustment of AD years.

 

I wonder that Indians also use AD years and centuries to date their own

history!

 

What I would be very interested is:

Is there in India a discussion existing or starting about beginning of

a new age or era?

 

Servus

Sepp

[Guest guest]

Dear Sepp ji,

==>

> You are arguing about precession with the same questions like

> Europeans: Did the ancients (more than 2500 years ago) knew it

> or not?

> My result is: They did not know from the point of view of our

> " Western scientific weltanschauung " . But they knew it in their

> ancient world view, what we call myth now.

> May I cite here the archeoastronomer A. Aveni:

> " We call our recent myth science "

<==

Thanks for those beutiful lines..

==>

> What I would be very interested is:

> Is there in India a discussion existing or starting about beginning

> of a new age or era?

<==

I could see that you are pointing to the concept of the new cycle

starting with " Age of Aquarius " or " Krita Yuga (Satya Yuga) " as it is

known as per Indian Yuga system.

I personally love the holistic world view with several cultures

having and preserving the same notions about the rhythm of time

(Prana, calendar etc are all part of it). As long as the discussion is

about " time " , I would be much interested.

* Maha Kala (the supreme time) is god siva (Spirituality comes into

play)

* Kala vidhana sastra (Astrology) is the study of rhythmic time and

its influence on living beings. (Destiny comes into play)

* It is the breath and thought that makes us feel the existence of

time. (So circadian and biological clocks and thinking methods such as

holistic comes into play)

So many of the subjects I am interested in is present and so if it

is about time and Calendar (Calandara = duration of time; in

Sanskrit), I too will enjoy it. The Yuga concept (and the Age of

Aquarius) is also nothing but about one of the biggest division of

time duration that the human mind was able to comprehend and express

mathematically.

So let it be the age of Aquarius or the weekdays - I am in. :=)

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

 

, Sepp Rothwangl

<calendersign wrote:

>

> Dear List,

> I am a newbie on this Indian list and it is interesting to see, how

> Indians see my European culture, though my impression is, that most

> people of this list are already very much infected by the " Western

> scientific world view " , which I would call nothing but another myth.

>

> You are arguing about precession with the same questions like

> Europeans: Did the ancients (more than 2500 years ago) knew it or not?

>

> My result is: They did not know from the point of view of our " Western

> scientific weltanschauung " . But they knew it in their ancient world

> world view, what we call myth now.

>

> May I cite here the archeoastronomer A. Aveni:

> " We call our recent myth science "

>

> But the more I look into this matter, the more I see that religions and

> confessions steer people with timekeeping, where the knowledge about

> this timekeeping is hands of religious organisations like a monopoly.

> The time becomes sacrificed, holy: dates, days, month etc get the names

> of Gods and were religiously celebrated and the followers follow. They

> follow the Brahmans, the Pope and whom ever, and do not question any

> longer ...

> The principal structure thats causes their followship is the

> timekeeping, which stated to be under (super) holy supervision ... holy

> super-stated ... nothing but superstition, like the origin of the

> weekdays or the adjustment of AD years.

>

> I wonder that Indians also use AD years and centuries to date their own

> history!

>

> What I would be very interested is:

> Is there in India a discussion existing or starting about beginning of

> a new age or era?

>

> Servus

> Sepp

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Sreenadh,

Am 16.12.2007 um 14:33 schrieb Sreenadh:

 

>

> I could see that you are pointing to the concept of the new cycle

> starting with " Age of Aquarius " or " Krita Yuga (Satya Yuga) " as it is

> known as per Indian Yuga system.

 

You do not seem to be aware of the religious and astrological influence

of Christian religion and timekeeping.

In medieval astronomy was forbidden to lay people and the calendar was

and still is monopoly of the church.

Astrology was strictly forbidden and a lot of people were burned as

witches at the stake.

Still now astrology is condemned by the church, which however stands on

astrological ground.

Think the magis (Chaldeans) at birth of Christ and the first symbol of

early Christian, ICHTHYS, (short cut IHS), which means FISH in Greek

language and alludes to the then new risen age of Pisces (because of

new vernal equinox constellation due to precession).

Another symbol of Christ is alpha and omega, meaning start of beginning.

Therefore the Christian church is much afraid of the rising of a new

age of Aquarius, because they feel their age and paradigm would end

then.

Church is hiding and prohibiting now anything that deals with ancient

knowledge of precession and belittles all such efforts as esoteric

nonsense.

But I owe a secret ancient document that deals about the fact that the

adjustment of the AD years in fact deal with the end of Pisces!

Can you imagine now what this means?

Servus

Sepp

[Guest guest]

Dear Sepp ji,

==>

> Think the magis (Chaldeans) at birth of Christ and the first symbol

> of early Christian, ICHTHYS, (short cut IHS), which means FISH in

> Greek language and alludes to the then new risen age of Pisces

> (because of new vernal equinox constellation due to precession).

<==

There are several problems associated with your above statement. Let us see what they are -

 

Magis argue that they are 'iranian brahmins'. Actually Magis are the rudiments of ancient Iranian (Percian) religion which was known as 'Zaurashtrianism', the ancient 'Asura Religion' revived by Zaratushtra near BC 1400. Their gods include 'Ahur Mazda (Asura Medha = Asura wisdom), Mirtra, Agni etc; almost in tune with the root Vedic culture. The major difference is that in Vedic culture the new god Indra (god of thunder & lightining) got the prominent place; which in Asura culture (being people who give more importance to sea expeditions), Veruna (god of the sea) got prominance. Mitra (Sun) is the common root god of both these (Asura and Daiva) cults. Thus Magis are NOT chaldeans.

But before that let us look at some other words. (All references are from http://www.answers.com)

'Mesopotamia':

--------------

"An ancient region of southwest Asia between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers in modern-day Iraq. Probably settled before 5000 B.C., the area was the home of numerous early civilizations, including Sumer, Akkad, Babylonia, and Assyria. It declined in importance after Mongol invaders destroyed its extensive irrigation system in A.D. 1258."

Now let us lookat at the words mentioned here such as Sumer, Akkar, Babylonia, and Assyeria + the term 'Chaldian'.

Sumer (Sumerian):

-----------------

"An ancient country of southern Mesopotamia in present-day southern Iraq. Archaeological evidence dates the beginnings of Sumer to the fifth millennium B.C. By 3000 a flourishing civilization existed, which gradually exerted power over the surrounding area and culminated in the Akkadian dynasty, founded c. 2340 by Sargon I. Sumer declined after 2000 and was later absorbed by Babylonia and Assyria. The Sumerians are believed to have invented the cuneiform system of writing."

Thus certainly this is an ancient civilization.

Babylon (Babylonia):

--------------------

"An ancient empire of Mesopotamia in the Euphrates River valley. It flourished under Hammurabi and Nebuchadnezzar II but declined after 562 B.C. and fell to the Persians in 539. Ancient cultural region of the Tigris and Euphrates river system. The area was divided into Sumer (southeast) and Akkad (northwest) when the first Babylonian line of Amorite kings took power after 2000 BC. Largely because of the efforts of Hammurabi (r. c. 1792 – 50 BC), Babylonia gained regional hegemony but declined after his death; the Kassites from the east eventually assumed power (c. 1595) and established a dynasty that lasted some four centuries. After Elam conquered Babylonia (c. 1157 BC), a series of wars established a new Babylonian dynasty whose outstanding member was Nebuchadrezzar I (r. c. 1124 – 03 BC)."

Thus Babylonia is a place name and the major civilizations associated with it is - Sumerian and Akkadian. Sumerian we have mentioned above - let us see what Akkadian refers to. The term Babylonian is a general tern used to refer cumulatively to many civilizations including Sumerian, Akkadian etc.

Akkard (Akkardian):

-------------------

"An ancient region of Mesopotamia occupying the northern part of Babylonia. It reached the height of its power in the third millennium B.C. Ancient region, central Iraq. Akkad was the northern division of ancient Babylonian civilization (Sumer was the southern division). Its name was taken from the city of Agade, founded by the conqueror Sargon c. 2300 BC. Sargon united the city-states in the region and extended the empire to much of Mesopotamia, including Sumer, Elam, and the upper Tigris. The empire waned in the 22nd century BC. Under the kings of Akkad, their Semitic language, Akkadian, became a literary language, and great art was fostered."

Thus certainly this is an ancient civilization.

Assyria (Assyrian):

-------------------

"An ancient empire and civilization of western Asia in the upper valley of the Tigris River. In its zenith between the ninth and seventh centuries B.C. the empire extended from the Mediterranean Sea across Arabia and Armenia. Ancient empire, southwestern Asia. It grew from a small region around Ashur (in modern northern Iraq) to encompass an area stretching from Egypt to Anatolia. Assyria may have originated in the 2nd millennium BC, but it came to power gradually. Its greatest period began in the 9th century BC, when its conquests reached the Mediterranean Sea under Ashurnasirpal II (883 – 859), and again c. 746 – 609 BC, during the Neo-Assyrian empire, when it conquered much of the Middle East. Its greatest rulers during the latter period were Tiglath-pileser III, Sargon II, Sennacherib, and Ashurbanipal. Famous for their cruelty and fighting prowess, the Assyrians were also monumental builders, as shown by archaeological finds at Nineveh, Ashur, and Calah. The opulence of Ashurbanipal's court at Nineveh became legendary. Artistically, the Assyrians were particularly noted for their stone bas-reliefs. The kingdom was finally vanquished in 612 – 609 BC by a coalition of Media and Babylonia (Chaldea)."

Thus certainly Assyria is an ancient civilization, though NOT as ancient as Sumer or Akkard. The Babylonia mentioned here refers to the new kingdoms flourished where the ancient Sumerian and Akkardian civilizations existed.

Chaldia (The new Babbylonian)

-----------------------------

History of Babylon: "Following the rule of Nebuchadrezzar I, a three-way struggle developed for control of Babylonia among Assyria, Aram (see Aramaeans), and Chaldea, in which the Assyrians ruled the area most frequently (9th – 7th century BC). In the 7th – 6th century BC the Chaldean Nebuchadrezzar II (605 – 562 BC) instituted the last and greatest period of Babylonian supremacy, conquering Syria and Palestine and rebuilding Babylon, the capital city. It was conquered in 539 BC by the Persian Achaemenian dynasty under Cyrus II and in 331 BC by Alexander the Great, after which the capital city was gradually abandoned."

So who were these Chaldeans - who fought to gain the rulership of new Babylon?

Chaldians: "The Semi-nomadic communities who moved into southern Mesopotamia in the early 1st millennium bc from the west, settling down as sedentary groups although still organized as tribal descent groups. Strongly associated with the biblical stories of Abraham"

"An ancient region of southern Mesopotamia. Settled c. 1000 B.C., it reached the height of its power under Nebuchadnezzar II. The Chaldean empire was destroyed by Persians in 539 B.C."

Actually kingdom of 'Nebuchadnezzar II' is usually termed neo-Babylonian empire - and some strongly disagree that this is in any way related to chaldians.

"The rulers of the neo-Babylonian empire in the mid 1st century bc are sometimes referred to as being of the Chaldean Dynasty, but there is no evidence that they were Chaldeans."

Thus it seems that the semi-nomadic Biblical Chaldians (without much history) hijacked the story of neo babylonian empire to their favor!!!! There was NOT much CULTURE associated with chaldians, except the forced association with neo-Babylonian empire!! Calling the ancient Sumerian, Akkardian, Assyerian, neo-Babylonial civilizations as 'Chaldian' is an effort to hijack history and make it asscociated with the ignorant semi-normadic tribs lived in 1st century BC associated with Abraham!!! A religious hijack of the ancient civilizations - that are in no way associated to them! These biblical associated semi-nomadic groups called Chaldians lived in 1st millennium BC, neither had much understanding of astrology nor astronomy. The well known astronomical or astrological understanding comes NOT from them, but from older and better civilizations - which wrongly gets ascribes to the tribals called Chaldians!

 

OK - That much about your use of the terms, associating Magis and Chaldians - the truth is there is NO association - those words are NOT synonymous.

==>

> ICHTHYS, (short cut IHS), which means FISH in Greek

> language and alludes to the then new risen age of Pisces

<==

The word 'ICHTHYS' is still in use in India with the same meaning as Pisces (as Chekthasi or Ichthys). But the indian dictionary meaning of the word is 'Fish-women' or 'Fish-Man'. The meaning of many words (which refer to the same signs), as used in Greek and Sanskrit seems to differ greatly, pointing to the fact that these are NOT greek words but came from a common source both to India and Greece. This common source could be Sindhu-Saraswaty, Accard or Assyria. To know the exact meaning of Ichthys and similar words in Indian context, refer to: Sreenadh/Kriya-Tavuru.pdf

 

The Christians hijacked many things - and made up many fake stories; the Christian bishops are the people who drove out the tribe of their own elightened god from the face of earth! (Refer to the Gospel of Eve) or to the link: /message/1402

Anyway, thanks for the mail - though it made me write this long!

Love and regards,Sreenadh , Sepp Rothwangl <calendersign wrote:>> Dear Sreenadh,> Am 16.12.2007 um 14:33 schrieb Sreenadh:> > >> > I could see that you are pointing to the concept of the new cycle> > starting with "Age of Aquarius" or "Krita Yuga (Satya Yuga)" as it is> > known as per Indian Yuga system.> > You do not seem to be aware of the religious and astrological influence > of Christian religion and timekeeping.> In medieval astronomy was forbidden to lay people and the calendar was > and still is monopoly of the church.> Astrology was strictly forbidden and a lot of people were burned as > witches at the stake.> Still now astrology is condemned by the church, which however stands on > astrological ground.> Think the magis (Chaldeans) at birth of Christ and the first symbol of > early Christian, ICHTHYS, (short cut IHS), which means FISH in Greek > language and alludes to the then new risen age of Pisces (because of > new vernal equinox constellation due to precession).> Another symbol of Christ is alpha and omega, meaning start of beginning.> Therefore the Christian church is much afraid of the rising of a new > age of Aquarius, because they feel their age and paradigm would end > then.> Church is hiding and prohibiting now anything that deals with ancient > knowledge of precession and belittles all such efforts as esoteric > nonsense.> But I owe a secret ancient document that deals about the fact that the > adjustment of the AD years in fact deal with the end of Pisces!> Can you imagine now what this means?> Servus> Sepp>

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good explanation atj

 

Sreenadh <sreesog Sent: Monday, 17 December, 2007 1:05:15 PM Re: head is going round / India and Europe

 

 

Dear Sepp ji,

==>

> Think the magis (Chaldeans) at birth of Christ and the first symbol

> of early Christian, ICHTHYS, (short cut IHS), which means FISH in

> Greek language and alludes to the then new risen age of Pisces

> (because of new vernal equinox constellation due to precession).

<==

There are several problems associated with your above statement. Let us see what they are -

 

Magis argue that they are 'iranian brahmins'. Actually Magis are the rudiments of ancient Iranian (Percian) religion which was known as 'Zaurashtrianism' , the ancient 'Asura Religion' revived by Zaratushtra near BC 1400. Their gods include 'Ahur Mazda (Asura Medha = Asura wisdom), Mirtra, Agni etc; almost in tune with the root Vedic culture.. The major difference is that in Vedic culture the new god Indra (god of thunder & lightining) got the prominent place; which in Asura culture (being people who give more importance to sea expeditions) , Veruna (god of the sea) got prominance. Mitra (Sun) is the common root god of both these (Asura and Daiva) cults. Thus Magis are NOT chaldeans.

But before that let us look at some other words. (All references are from http://www.answers. com)

'Mesopotamia' :

------------ --

"An ancient region of southwest Asia between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers in modern-day Iraq. Probably settled before 5000 B.C., the area was the home of numerous early civilizations, including Sumer, Akkad, Babylonia, and Assyria. It declined in importance after Mongol invaders destroyed its extensive irrigation system in A.D. 1258."

Now let us lookat at the words mentioned here such as Sumer, Akkar, Babylonia, and Assyeria + the term 'Chaldian'.

Sumer (Sumerian):

------------ -----

"An ancient country of southern Mesopotamia in present-day southern Iraq. Archaeological evidence dates the beginnings of Sumer to the fifth millennium B.C. By 3000 a flourishing civilization existed, which gradually exerted power over the surrounding area and culminated in the Akkadian dynasty, founded c. 2340 by Sargon I. Sumer declined after 2000 and was later absorbed by Babylonia and Assyria. The Sumerians are believed to have invented the cuneiform system of writing."

Thus certainly this is an ancient civilization.

Babylon (Babylonia):

------------ --------

"An ancient empire of Mesopotamia in the Euphrates River valley. It flourished under Hammurabi and Nebuchadnezzar II but declined after 562 B.C. and fell to the Persians in 539. Ancient cultural region of the Tigris and Euphrates river system. The area was divided into Sumer (southeast) and Akkad (northwest) when the first Babylonian line of Amorite kings took power after 2000 BC. Largely because of the efforts of Hammurabi (r. c. 1792 – 50 BC), Babylonia gained regional hegemony but declined after his death; the Kassites from the east eventually assumed power (c. 1595) and established a dynasty that lasted some four centuries. After Elam conquered Babylonia (c. 1157 BC), a series of wars established a new Babylonian dynasty whose outstanding member was Nebuchadrezzar I (r. c. 1124 – 03 BC)."

Thus Babylonia is a place name and the major civilizations associated with it is - Sumerian and Akkadian. Sumerian we have mentioned above - let us see what Akkadian refers to. The term Babylonian is a general tern used to refer cumulatively to many civilizations including Sumerian, Akkadian etc.

Akkard (Akkardian):

------------ -------

"An ancient region of Mesopotamia occupying the northern part of Babylonia. It reached the height of its power in the third millennium B.C. Ancient region, central Iraq. Akkad was the northern division of ancient Babylonian civilization (Sumer was the southern division). Its name was taken from the city of Agade, founded by the conqueror Sargon c. 2300 BC. Sargon united the city-states in the region and extended the empire to much of Mesopotamia, including Sumer, Elam, and the upper Tigris. The empire waned in the 22nd century BC. Under the kings of Akkad, their Semitic language, Akkadian, became a literary language, and great art was fostered."

Thus certainly this is an ancient civilization.

Assyria (Assyrian):

------------ -------

"An ancient empire and civilization of western Asia in the upper valley of the Tigris River. In its zenith between the ninth and seventh centuries B.C. the empire extended from the Mediterranean Sea across Arabia and Armenia. Ancient empire, southwestern Asia. It grew from a small region around Ashur (in modern northern Iraq) to encompass an area stretching from Egypt to Anatolia. Assyria may have originated in the 2nd millennium BC, but it came to power gradually. Its greatest period began in the 9th century BC, when its conquests reached the Mediterranean Sea under Ashurnasirpal II (883 – 859), and again c. 746 – 609 BC, during the Neo-Assyrian empire, when it conquered much of the Middle East. Its greatest rulers during the latter period were Tiglath-pileser III, Sargon II, Sennacherib, and Ashurbanipal. Famous for their cruelty and fighting prowess, the Assyrians were also

monumental builders, as shown by archaeological finds at Nineveh, Ashur, and Calah. The opulence of Ashurbanipal' s court at Nineveh became legendary.. Artistically, the Assyrians were particularly noted for their stone bas-reliefs. The kingdom was finally vanquished in 612 – 609 BC by a coalition of Media and Babylonia (Chaldea)."

Thus certainly Assyria is an ancient civilization, though NOT as ancient as Sumer or Akkard. The Babylonia mentioned here refers to the new kingdoms flourished where the ancient Sumerian and Akkardian civilizations existed.

Chaldia (The new Babbylonian)

------------ --------- --------

History of Babylon: "Following the rule of Nebuchadrezzar I, a three-way struggle developed for control of Babylonia among Assyria, Aram (see Aramaeans), and Chaldea, in which the Assyrians ruled the area most frequently (9th – 7th century BC). In the 7th – 6th century BC the Chaldean Nebuchadrezzar II (605 – 562 BC) instituted the last and greatest period of Babylonian supremacy, conquering Syria and Palestine and rebuilding Babylon, the capital city. It was conquered in 539 BC by the Persian Achaemenian dynasty under Cyrus II and in 331 BC by Alexander the Great, after which the capital city was gradually abandoned."

So who were these Chaldeans - who fought to gain the rulership of new Babylon?

Chaldians: "The Semi-nomadic communities who moved into southern Mesopotamia in the early 1st millennium bc from the west, settling down as sedentary groups although still organized as tribal descent groups. Strongly associated with the biblical stories of Abraham"

"An ancient region of southern Mesopotamia. Settled c. 1000 B.C., it reached the height of its power under Nebuchadnezzar II. The Chaldean empire was destroyed by Persians in 539 B.C."

Actually kingdom of 'Nebuchadnezzar II' is usually termed neo-Babylonian empire - and some strongly disagree that this is in any way related to chaldians.

"The rulers of the neo-Babylonian empire in the mid 1st century bc are sometimes referred to as being of the Chaldean Dynasty, but there is no evidence that they were Chaldeans."

Thus it seems that the semi-nomadic Biblical Chaldians (without much history) hijacked the story of neo babylonian empire to their favor!!!! There was NOT much CULTURE associated with chaldians, except the forced association with neo-Babylonian empire!! Calling the ancient Sumerian, Akkardian, Assyerian, neo-Babylonial civilizations as 'Chaldian' is an effort to hijack history and make it asscociated with the ignorant semi-normadic tribs lived in 1st century BC associated with Abraham!!! A religious hijack of the ancient civilizations - that are in no way associated to them! These biblical associated semi-nomadic groups called Chaldians lived in 1st millennium BC, neither had much understanding of astrology nor astronomy. The well known astronomical or astrological understanding comes NOT from them, but from older and better civilizations - which

wrongly gets ascribes to the tribals called Chaldians!

 

OK - That much about your use of the terms, associating Magis and Chaldians - the truth is there is NO association - those words are NOT synonymous.

==>

> ICHTHYS, (short cut IHS), which means FISH in Greek

> language and alludes to the then new risen age of Pisces

<==

The word 'ICHTHYS' is still in use in India with the same meaning as Pisces (as Chekthasi or Ichthys). But the indian dictionary meaning of the word is 'Fish-women' or 'Fish-Man'. The meaning of many words (which refer to the same signs), as used in Greek and Sanskrit seems to differ greatly, pointing to the fact that these are NOT greek words but came from a common source both to India and Greece. This common source could be Sindhu-Saraswaty, Accard or Assyria. To know the exact meaning of Ichthys and similar words in Indian context, refer to: http://groups. / group/ancient_ indian_astrology Sreenadh/ Kriya-Tavuru. pdf

 

The Christians hijacked many things - and made up many fake stories; the Christian bishops are the people who drove out the tribe of their own elightened god from the face of earth! (Refer to the Gospel of Eve) or to the link: http://groups. / group/ancient_ indian_astrology /message/ 1402

Anyway, thanks for the mail - though it made me write this long!

Love and regards,Sreenadh ancient_indian_ astrology, Sepp Rothwangl <calendersign@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Sreenadh,> Am 16.12.2007 um 14:33 schrieb Sreenadh:> > >> > I could see that you are pointing to the concept of the new cycle> > starting with "Age of Aquarius" or "Krita Yuga (Satya Yuga)" as it is> > known as per Indian Yuga system.> > You do not seem to be aware of the religious and astrological influence > of Christian religion and timekeeping.> In medieval astronomy was forbidden to lay people and the calendar was

> and still is monopoly of the church.> Astrology was strictly forbidden and a lot of people were burned as > witches at the stake.> Still now astrology is condemned by the church, which however stands on > astrological ground.> Think the magis (Chaldeans) at birth of Christ and the first symbol of > early Christian, ICHTHYS, (short cut IHS), which means FISH in Greek > language and alludes to the then new risen age of Pisces (because of > new vernal equinox constellation due to precession).> Another symbol of Christ is alpha and omega, meaning start of beginning.> Therefore the Christian church is much afraid of the rising of a new > age of Aquarius, because they feel their age and paradigm would end > then.> Church is hiding and prohibiting now anything that deals with ancient > knowledge of precession and belittles all such efforts as esoteric

> nonsense.> But I owe a secret ancient document that deals about the fact that the > adjustment of the AD years in fact deal with the end of Pisces!> Can you imagine now what this means?> Servus> Sepp>

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Am 17.12.2007 um 08:35 schrieb Sreenadh:

 

> Dear Sepp ji,

>

> ==>

>

> > Think the magis (Chaldeans) at birth of Christ and the first symbol

>

> > of early Christian, ICHTHYS, (short cut IHS), which means FISH in

>

> > Greek language and alludes to the then new risen age of Pisces

>

> > (because of new vernal equinox constellation due to precession).

>

 

snip

 

 

>  OK - That much about your use of the terms, associating Magis and

> Chaldians - the truth is there is NO association - those words are NOT

> synonymous.

>

 

Dear Sreenadh,

 

Is does not matter if there is association or not in this context.

I used Chaldeans in the meaning of astrologers or star-priests.

In fact there is story in the bible (old testament) where a hebrean

king welcomed a major priest from mesopotamia who was called " RAB MAG "

was is translated as Highpriest, or highest of the magicians.

And: I do not believe that such magis indeed were at the behieve of any

little jesus, but that this story is religious literature only, order

to repeat the Jewish Moses story, and in order to attribute to the

fictitious Christian Messiah a divine birth.

Bible is literature, storytelling with religious desire, not history!

 

Sorry, if you thought I am a believer.

I do not believe in any confession nor in astrology.

Servus

Sepp

[Guest guest]

Dear Sepp ji,

==>

> > But I owe a secret ancient document that deals about the fact that the

> > adjustment of the AD years in fact deal with the end of Pisces!

> > Can you imagine now what this means?

<==

In the previous mail, I forgot to address this

question asked by you. The answer is - I have no

idea. I would be thankful to you if you reveal the same -

and explain it to us.

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

 

, "Sreenadh" <sreesog wrote:

Dear Sepp ji,

==>

> Think the magis (Chaldeans) at birth of Christ and the first symbol

> of early Christian, ICHTHYS, (short cut IHS), which means FISH in

> Greek language and alludes to the then new risen age of Pisces

> (because of new vernal equinox constellation due to precession).

<==

There are several problems associated with your above statement. Let us see what they are -

 

Magis

argue that they are 'iranian brahmins'. Actually Magis are the

rudiments of ancient Iranian (Percian) religion which was known as

'Zaurashtrianism', the ancient 'Asura Religion' revived by Zaratushtra

near BC 1400. Their gods include 'Ahur Mazda (Asura Medha = Asura

wisdom), Mirtra, Agni etc; almost in tune with the root Vedic culture.

The major difference is that in Vedic culture the new god Indra (god of

thunder & lightining) got the prominent place; which in Asura

culture (being people who give more importance to sea expeditions),

Veruna (god of the sea) got prominance. Mitra (Sun) is the common root

god of both these (Asura and Daiva) cults. Thus Magis are NOT chaldeans.

But before that let us look at some other words. (All references are from http://www.answers.com)

'Mesopotamia':

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"An

ancient region of southwest Asia between the Tigris and Euphrates

rivers in modern-day Iraq. Probably settled before 5000 B.C., the area

was the home of numerous early civilizations, including Sumer, Akkad,

Babylonia, and Assyria. It declined in importance after Mongol invaders

destroyed its extensive irrigation system in A.D. 1258."

Now let us lookat at the words mentioned here such as Sumer, Akkar, Babylonia, and Assyeria + the term 'Chaldian'.

Sumer (Sumerian):

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"An ancient country of

southern Mesopotamia in present-day southern Iraq. Archaeological

evidence dates the beginnings of Sumer to the fifth millennium B.C. By

3000 a flourishing civilization existed, which gradually exerted power

over the surrounding area and culminated in the Akkadian dynasty,

founded c. 2340 by Sargon I. Sumer declined after 2000 and was later

absorbed by Babylonia and Assyria. The Sumerians are believed to have

invented the cuneiform system of writing."

Thus certainly this is an ancient civilization.

Babylon (Babylonia):

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"An

ancient empire of Mesopotamia in the Euphrates River valley. It

flourished under Hammurabi and Nebuchadnezzar II but declined after 562

B.C. and fell to the Persians in 539. Ancient cultural region of the

Tigris and Euphrates river system. The area was divided into Sumer

(southeast) and Akkad (northwest) when the first Babylonian line of

Amorite kings took power after 2000 BC. Largely because of the efforts

of Hammurabi (r. c. 1792 – 50 BC), Babylonia gained regional hegemony

but declined after his death; the Kassites from the east eventually

assumed power (c. 1595) and established a dynasty that lasted some four

centuries. After Elam conquered Babylonia (c. 1157 BC), a series of

wars established a new Babylonian dynasty whose outstanding member was

Nebuchadrezzar I (r. c. 1124 – 03 BC)."

Thus

Babylonia is a place name and the major civilizations associated with

it is - Sumerian and Akkadian. Sumerian we have mentioned above - let

us see what Akkadian refers to. The term Babylonian is a general tern

used to refer cumulatively to many civilizations including Sumerian,

Akkadian etc.

Akkard (Akkardian):

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"An

ancient region of Mesopotamia occupying the northern part of Babylonia.

It reached the height of its power in the third millennium B.C. Ancient

region, central Iraq. Akkad was the northern division of ancient

Babylonian civilization (Sumer was the southern division). Its name was

taken from the city of Agade, founded by the conqueror Sargon c. 2300

BC. Sargon united the city-states in the region and extended the empire

to much of Mesopotamia, including Sumer, Elam, and the upper Tigris.

The empire waned in the 22nd century BC. Under the kings of Akkad,

their Semitic language, Akkadian, became a literary language, and great

art was fostered."

Thus certainly this is an ancient civilization.

Assyria (Assyrian):

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"An

ancient empire and civilization of western Asia in the upper valley of

the Tigris River. In its zenith between the ninth and seventh centuries

B.C. the empire extended from the Mediterranean Sea across Arabia and

Armenia. Ancient empire, southwestern Asia. It grew from a small region

around Ashur (in modern northern Iraq) to encompass an area stretching

from Egypt to Anatolia. Assyria may have originated in the 2nd

millennium BC, but it came to power gradually. Its greatest period

began in the 9th century BC, when its conquests reached the

Mediterranean Sea under Ashurnasirpal II (883 – 859), and again c. 746

– 609 BC, during the Neo-Assyrian empire, when it conquered much of the

Middle East. Its greatest rulers during the latter period were

Tiglath-pileser III, Sargon II, Sennacherib, and Ashurbanipal. Famous

for their cruelty and fighting prowess, the Assyrians were also

monumental builders, as shown by archaeological finds at Nineveh,

Ashur, and Calah. The opulence of Ashurbanipal's court at Nineveh

became legendary. Artistically, the Assyrians were particularly noted

for their stone bas-reliefs. The kingdom was finally vanquished in 612

– 609 BC by a coalition of Media and Babylonia (Chaldea)."

Thus

certainly Assyria is an ancient civilization, though NOT as ancient as

Sumer or Akkard. The Babylonia mentioned here refers to the new

kingdoms flourished where the ancient Sumerian and Akkardian

civilizations existed.

Chaldia (The new Babbylonian)

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History of Babylon:

"Following the rule of Nebuchadrezzar I, a three-way struggle developed

for control of Babylonia among Assyria, Aram (see Aramaeans), and

Chaldea, in which the Assyrians ruled the area most frequently (9th –

7th century BC). In the 7th – 6th century BC the Chaldean

Nebuchadrezzar II (605 – 562 BC) instituted the last and greatest

period of Babylonian supremacy, conquering Syria and Palestine and

rebuilding Babylon, the capital city. It was conquered in 539 BC by the

Persian Achaemenian dynasty under Cyrus II and in 331 BC by Alexander

the Great, after which the capital city was gradually abandoned."

So who were these Chaldeans - who fought to gain the rulership of new Babylon?

Chaldians:

"The Semi-nomadic communities who moved into southern Mesopotamia in

the early 1st millennium bc from the west, settling down as sedentary

groups although still organized as tribal descent groups. Strongly

associated with the biblical stories of Abraham"

"An

ancient region of southern Mesopotamia. Settled c. 1000 B.C., it

reached the height of its power under Nebuchadnezzar II. The Chaldean

empire was destroyed by Persians in 539 B.C."

Actually

kingdom of 'Nebuchadnezzar II' is usually termed neo-Babylonian empire

- and some strongly disagree that this is in any way related to

chaldians.

"The

rulers of the neo-Babylonian empire in the mid 1st century bc are

sometimes referred to as being of the Chaldean Dynasty, but there is no

evidence that they were Chaldeans."

Thus

it seems that the semi-nomadic Biblical Chaldians (without much

history) hijacked the story of neo babylonian empire to their favor!!!!

There was NOT much CULTURE associated with chaldians, except the forced

association with neo-Babylonian empire!! Calling the ancient Sumerian,

Akkardian, Assyerian, neo-Babylonial civilizations as 'Chaldian' is an

effort to hijack history and make it asscociated with the ignorant

semi-normadic tribs lived in 1st century BC associated with Abraham!!!

A religious hijack of the ancient civilizations - that are in no way

associated to them! These biblical associated

semi-nomadic groups called Chaldians lived in 1st millennium BC,

neither had much understanding of astrology nor astronomy. The well

known astronomical or astrological understanding comes NOT from them,

but from older and better civilizations - which wrongly gets ascribes

to the tribals called Chaldians!

 

OK

- That much about your use of the terms, associating Magis and

Chaldians - the truth is there is NO association - those words are NOT

synonymous.

==>

> ICHTHYS, (short cut IHS), which means FISH in Greek

> language and alludes to the then new risen age of Pisces

<==

The

word 'ICHTHYS' is still in use in India with the same meaning as Pisces

(as Chekthasi or Ichthys). But the indian dictionary meaning of the

word is 'Fish-women' or 'Fish-Man'. The meaning of many words (which

refer to the same signs), as used in Greek and Sanskrit seems to differ

greatly, pointing to the fact that these are NOT greek words but came

from a common source both to India and Greece. This common source could

be Sindhu-Saraswaty, Accard or Assyria. To know the exact meaning of

Ichthys and similar words in Indian context, refer to:

Sreenadh/Kriya-Tavuru.pdf

 

The Christians hijacked many things - and made up many fake stories; the Christian bishops are the

people who drove out the tribe of their own elightened god from the

face of earth! (Refer to the Gospel of Eve) or to the link:

/message/1402

Anyway, thanks for the mail - though it made me write this long!

Love and regards,Sreenadh > > , Sepp Rothwangl> calendersign@ wrote:> >> > Dear Sreenadh,> > Am 16.12.2007 um 14:33 schrieb Sreenadh:> >> > >> > > I could see that you are pointing to the concept of the new cycle> > > starting with "Age of Aquarius" or "Krita Yuga (Satya Yuga)" as it> is> > > known as per Indian Yuga system.> >> > You do not seem to be aware of the religious and astrological> influence> > of Christian religion and timekeeping.> > In medieval astronomy was forbidden to lay people and the calendar was> > and still is monopoly of the church.> > Astrology was strictly forbidden and a lot of people were burned as> > witches at the stake.> > Still now astrology is condemned by the church, which however stands> on> > astrological ground.> > Think the magis (Chaldeans) at birth of Christ and the first symbol of> > early Christian, ICHTHYS, (short cut IHS), which means FISH in Greek> > language and alludes to the then new risen age of Pisces (because of> > new vernal equinox constellation due to precession).> > Another symbol of Christ is alpha and omega, meaning start of> beginning.> > Therefore the Christian church is much afraid of the rising of a new> > age of Aquarius, because they feel their age and paradigm would end> > then.> > Church is hiding and prohibiting now anything that deals with ancient> > knowledge of precession and belittles all such efforts as esoteric> > nonsense.> > But I owe a secret ancient document that deals about the fact that the> > adjustment of the AD years in fact deal with the end of Pisces!> > Can you imagine now what this means?> > Servus> > Sepp> >>

[Guest guest]

Am 17.12.2007 um 17:43 schrieb Sreenadh:

 

> Dear Sepp ji,

> ==>

> > > But I owe a secret ancient document that deals about the fact that

> the

> > > adjustment of the AD years in fact deal with the end of Pisces!

> > > Can you imagine now what this means?

> <==

>     In the previous mail, I forgot to address this question asked by

> you.  The answer is - I have no idea.   I would be thankful to you if

> you reveal the same - and explain it to us.

> Love and regards,

> Sreenadh

 

 

Dear Sreenadh,

 

I will try to explain:

What if in your Kali Yuga year counting system the year 432 000th year

would elapse right now?

Would not believers be afraid that the world would end NOW?

 

A similar thing happened with AD years in 2000!

The creator of the AD count (1500 years ago) called Dionysius Exiguus

created this count in the assumption the world would end in 2000 (at

the end of the Piscean age). That tells my document.

And he adjusted year 1 (the date of Christs birth) in such a way that

2000 coincedes with a precalculated super-conjunction, which in fact

appeared as a close massing of all planets on 5-5-2000.

 

Now, can you imagine what that means to the Christian religion?

Catholic church stole all of its money in the medieval by sin drain and

promising heaven for money by threatening last day, because they had

the monopoly of the calendar.

The church was obtaining the time upon earth and was selling time in

beyond. This was their medieval business plan.

But they still control the Gregorian calendar, which has come to its

end, according to the way of its adjustment.

All clear so far?

Servus

Sepp

[Guest guest]

Hi Sepp ji,

==>

> All clear so far?

<==

Yes, Proceed.

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

, Sepp Rothwangl

<calendersign wrote:

>

> Am 17.12.2007 um 17:43 schrieb Sreenadh:

>

> > Dear Sepp ji,

> > ==>

> > > > But I owe a secret ancient document that deals about the fact

that

> > the

> > > > adjustment of the AD years in fact deal with the end of Pisces!

> > > > Can you imagine now what this means?

> > <==

> > In the previous mail, I forgot to address this question asked by

> > you. The answer is - I have no idea. I would be thankful to you

if

> > you reveal the same - and explain it to us.

> > Love and regards,

> > Sreenadh

>

>

> Dear Sreenadh,

>

> I will try to explain:

> What if in your Kali Yuga year counting system the year 432 000th year

> would elapse right now?

> Would not believers be afraid that the world would end NOW?

>

> A similar thing happened with AD years in 2000!

> The creator of the AD count (1500 years ago) called Dionysius Exiguus

> created this count in the assumption the world would end in 2000 (at

> the end of the Piscean age). That tells my document.

> And he adjusted year 1 (the date of Christs birth) in such a way that

> 2000 coincedes with a precalculated super-conjunction, which in fact

> appeared as a close massing of all planets on 5-5-2000.

>

> Now, can you imagine what that means to the Christian religion?

> Catholic church stole all of its money in the medieval by sin drain

and

> promising heaven for money by threatening last day, because they had

> the monopoly of the calendar.

> The church was obtaining the time upon earth and was selling time in

> beyond. This was their medieval business plan.

> But they still control the Gregorian calendar, which has come to its

> end, according to the way of its adjustment.

> All clear so far?

> Servus

> Sepp

>