head is going round and ... Vedic Mathematics - Fraud

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Dear friend,

 

Vedic Mathematics of Sankaracharya is an example to which even such

religious people may stoop in the name of glory of the Vedas. Vedic

Mathematics is a fraud and my paper is internationally quoted in this

context. There is no appendix to the Vedas as the Sankaracharya claimed

and no such Sutras in any Vedas.

 

 

, R Venkat

<rdjvenkat wrote:

>

> dear friend

>

> geomithi, a part of of Vedas that deals with homa kunda drawings etc

etc the 'West' called it

> geometry. study it in detail.

>

> for your specific requirement i would suggest you to go thru the Book

Vedic Mathematics

> written by Late Puri Sankaracharya (the original and the first one).

You comment atleast after

> going thru book. then you will know 'what was not in Vedas'.

>

> Okay you want to say something good about other cultures go ahead

nothing wrong in it. but

> to belittle our own is simply not good.

>

> I am sure u hvnt gone thru the sacred Vedas either. simply for the

heck of it or to prove

> your points in an useless arguments dont insult our Sacred Vedas. One

life time is not enough

> even to know thoroughly the entire Saka of one veda.

>

> Venkat

>

>

>

>

>

>

> chandra_hari18 chandra_hari18

>

> Saturday, December 15, 2007 7:35:40 PM

> Re: head is going round and

round......

>

>

> Dear friend,

>

> You don't know what kind of astronomy is in the Vedas. First learn as

> to what is there in the Vedas and what could have been taught to

Greeks

> and Romans having such great names as Aristharchus and Hipparchus?

>

> No Indian ever equalled their merit in Astronomy - be it in Kerala or

> Nalanda or Takshasila.

>

> It is easy to claim that everything is in the Vedas. Can you name a

> single modern discovery or concept that has been made out of the

> information in Vedas? Once someone discovers something in the West

> everyone is up to interpret Vedas and establish that it is given in

the

> Vedas.

>

> Read about the great Greek men also sometimes. Just read about

> Hipparchus and see how accurate he was in 2nd century BC? Also learn

> about the Babylonian culture and their contributions to astronomy,

> including how they maintained their records. It is because of their

> eclipse records that today we are able to compute back in time

> accurately.

>

> Why Indians had no such record keeping?

>

> Think over

>

> chandra hari

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, Bejoy bejoy_cs@ .>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sri Chandra Hari,

> >

> > Are the trade exchanges between the Middle East and

> > Kerala ( or India ) the only possible reason of the

> > diffusion of antique esoteric knowledge ?

> >

> > Or could it be that the ancient universities of India

> > like Nalanda and Taxila ( to name just 2, there could

> > be more still ancient than Nalanda & taxila ) which

> > would have had students from Rome / Greece / Babylon

> > who got taught about the astronomical info in the

> > Vedas and these students inturn returning to their

> > natives propagating their knowledge another possible

> > cause ?

> >

> > Hipparchus lived in 2nd century BC but Vedas predates

> > him by many years and certain info ( like the

> > precession of equinox ) which present day science

> > attributes as the observation of Hipparchus is infact

> > implicit in the Vedas or puranas passed on to us from

> > time immemorial. Aryabhata was candid enough to

> > acknowledge the source of his info - which he himself

> > attributes to the Vedas.

> >

> > The term Calendar itself has got a Sanskrit touch to

> > it --- Cal ( Kal ) is time and Andar is gap or

> > duration. The names of different months in the

> > Calendar also got Sanskrit essence to it -

> >

> > like Dec( dasam = 10 )ember , but its the 12th month.

> >

> > Nov ( Navam = 9 )ember , but its the 11th month.

> >

> > Octo ( Ashta = 8 ) ember, but its the 10th month.

> >

> > Sept ( Sapta = 7 ) ember, but its the 9th month.

> >

> > The variation of 2 months is because the Romans

> > decided to insert July and August to supposedly

> > felicilate Julius and Augustus Caeser and thereby

> > shifting Dec as the 12th, Nov as the 11th and so on.

> >

> > Coming to the point, the above names, terminologies

> > numerals are as said in the Vedas which suggests a

> > Roman/ Greek adaptation of the same from ancient

> > Indian texts.

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > Bejoy C.S.

> > www.keraladarsan. com

> >

> >

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > Bejoy C.S.

> > www.keraladarsan. com

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > --- chandra_hari18 chandra_hari18@ ... wrote:

> >

> > >

> > > Dear Kumar,

> > >

> > > Read about Hipparchus on the net. He lived in 2nd

> > > cent BC. He had

> > > instruments like the astrolabe. Aryabhata came about

> > > 600 years after and

> > > he had good number of instruments and his

> > > computations are accurate to

> > > minutes of arc in certain special cases. General

> > > accuracy was less as

> > > the test of their computations was eclipse times

> > > which is a very

> > > complicated issue.

> > >

> > > Diameter and distances in ancient times had nothing

> > > to do with actual

> > > values as we know in modern astronomy. They had

> > > relative distances

> > > correctly like Moon is at 60 times earth's radii etc

> > > so that the

> > > parallax could be computed correctly.

> > >

> > > Aryabhata worked with knowledge came from Alexandria

> > > at the Cera Capital

> > > Tondi (modern Ponnani) which was an ancient Port and

> > > Arab trade centre.

> > > Like the Gupta age in North Cera age was the golden

> > > period of Kerala

> > > with flourishing foreign trade on spices and wood

> > > etc with Egypt, Rome

> > > and Babylon. Kerala of those days is known more

> > > through foreign sources

> > > - accounts of visitors - than from Indian sources.

> > > Lot of coinage (Gold

> > > from Rome) has been unearthed in modern times which

> > > speak about the

> > > Golden age.

> > >

> > > chandra hari

> > >

> > >

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

> > > " vinita kumar "

> > > shankar_mamta@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > this forum is making my head spin. i wish i knew

> > > more to make sense

> > > > of things. just read abt aryabhatta and his

> > > contributions to

> > > > astronomy. was it only thru mathmatics that he

> > > could compute the

> > > > circumfrence of the earth with such

> > > precision?.. .and also come to

> > > > other conclusions regarding motion of planets,

> > > declination of earth,

> > > > path of orbit, etc?

> > > >

> > > > it appears that mathematics/ ganita is crucial to

> > > abstract astronomy.

> > > > presumably in ancient times they did not have any

> > > instruments of

> > > > measurement and therefore relied solely on ganita

> > > for computations

> > > > and for arriving at conclusions. ..and that too

> > > with so

> > > > much accuracy!!!! !

> > > >

> > > > ephemeris is presumably one of the links between

> > > astrology and

> > > > astronomy. but then who constructed the first

> > > accurate ephemeris?

> > > > when and where? or did it evolve slowly over time?

> > > how can eclipses

> > > > be predicted so accurately even today based on the

> > > ancient ephemiris?

> > > >

> > > > why are there common features in calendars across

> > > the globe...?

> > > > lunar calendars, solar calendars, calendars using

> > > planets (Mayaan

> > > > calendar based on Venus and ending with the

> > > eclipse of Venus in

> > > > 2012?)calendars having seven days in a week? did

> > > the calendars /

> > > > ephemeris have a common origin or was there better

> > > communication

> > > > among civilisations across space and over time

> > > than we can imagine?

> > > >

> > > > to make any chart how could ancient astrologers

> > > have such good

> > > > knowledge of the position of not only the

> > > placement and movement of

> > > > bodies in the solar system but also their

> > > relationship with more

> > > > distant and therefore relatively stable

> > > stars/nakshatras in outer

> > > > space?....how did they know abt precession, cycles

> > > of time / yugas,

> > > > etc....combining the micro in the chart with the

> > > macro of the cosmos?

> > > >

> > > > not only this, but going by one of the messages on

> > > this forum there

> > > > was knowledge in the ancient times of how our

> > > solar system revolved

> > > > around the sapatarishis and how the saptarishis

> > > revolved around the

> > > > dhruva tara and how the dhruv tara revolved around

> > > Brahma....!? ...or

> > > > a huge black hole in the centre of the galaxy,

> > > according to modern

> > > > day physics?

> > > >

> > > > there is a theory that our planet was visited by

> > > super intelligent

> > > > creatures from outer space. could the knowledge of

> > > the brahmanda

> > > > been brought to earth by such beings who then

> > > codified it in

> > > > secret / hidden / obscure texts, including the

> > > ephemiris? or could

> > > > it be that rishis sitting in meditation could

> > > anyway realize the

> > > > brahmanda as an inner journey....and wrote abt it

> > > in ancient

> > > > treatises?

> > > >

> > > > it is easy to indulge fantasies... but the fact

> > > remains that

> > > > knowledge is sooooooooo vaste and so intimidating

> > > that i can only

> > > > stand stupefied, mouth open in wonder, as the

> > > world and the head

> > > > spins around....and i marvel at my

> > > ignorance... .even on this forum.

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _\

> ____________

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> >

>

>

>

>

>

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Dear Venkat ji,

Chandra hari is simply true about text creation of the Ex.

Sankaracharya Bharti Krishna Theertha who made up a text based on his

own understanding and christened (hinduized?) it with the name 'Vedic

Mathematics' putting the sin of those minor mathematical tricks on

'Vedas'! :=) The truth is -

* Ther is no such Sutras in any Vedas as Sankaracharya claimed.

If you truly want to know how the ancient indians did the

calculations - There is a document named " Kawri-Maths.pdf " inside the

folder " Sreenadh " in the filese section of the group. The URL is

given below:

Sreenadh/Kawri-Math\

s.pdf

 

That could be helpful - no trick It is hard work. The tricks

provided by Krishna theertha apply only to special cases, but the true

methods are generally applicable everywhere and generalized ones -

just like the maths we follow today.

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

 

, " chandra_hari18 "

<chandra_hari18 wrote:

>

>

> Dear friend,

>

> Vedic Mathematics of Sankaracharya is an example to which even such

> religious people may stoop in the name of glory of the Vedas. Vedic

> Mathematics is a fraud and my paper is internationally quoted in this

> context. There is no appendix to the Vedas as the Sankaracharya claimed

> and no such Sutras in any Vedas.

>

>

> , R Venkat

> <rdjvenkat@> wrote:

> >

> > dear friend

> >

> > geomithi, a part of of Vedas that deals with homa kunda drawings etc

> etc the 'West' called it

> > geometry. study it in detail.

> >

> > for your specific requirement i would suggest you to go thru the Book

> Vedic Mathematics

> > written by Late Puri Sankaracharya (the original and the first one).

> You comment atleast after

> > going thru book. then you will know 'what was not in Vedas'.

> >

> > Okay you want to say something good about other cultures go ahead

> nothing wrong in it. but

> > to belittle our own is simply not good.

> >

> > I am sure u hvnt gone thru the sacred Vedas either. simply for the

> heck of it or to prove

> > your points in an useless arguments dont insult our Sacred Vedas. One

> life time is not enough

> > even to know thoroughly the entire Saka of one veda.

> >

> > Venkat

> >

> >

> >

> > chandra_hari18 chandra_hari18@

> >

> > Saturday, December 15, 2007 7:35:40 PM

> > Re: head is going round and

> round......

> >

> >

> > Dear friend,

> >

> > You don't know what kind of astronomy is in the Vedas. First learn as

> > to what is there in the Vedas and what could have been taught to

> Greeks

> > and Romans having such great names as Aristharchus and Hipparchus?

> >

> > No Indian ever equalled their merit in Astronomy - be it in Kerala or

> > Nalanda or Takshasila.

> >

> > It is easy to claim that everything is in the Vedas. Can you name a

> > single modern discovery or concept that has been made out of the

> > information in Vedas? Once someone discovers something in the West

> > everyone is up to interpret Vedas and establish that it is given in

> the

> > Vedas.

> >

> > Read about the great Greek men also sometimes. Just read about

> > Hipparchus and see how accurate he was in 2nd century BC? Also learn

> > about the Babylonian culture and their contributions to astronomy,

> > including how they maintained their records. It is because of their

> > eclipse records that today we are able to compute back in time

> > accurately.

> >

> > Why Indians had no such record keeping?

> >

> > Think over

> >

> > chandra hari

> >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Bejoy bejoy_cs@ .>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sri Chandra Hari,

> > >

> > > Are the trade exchanges between the Middle East and

> > > Kerala ( or India ) the only possible reason of the

> > > diffusion of antique esoteric knowledge ?

> > >

> > > Or could it be that the ancient universities of India

> > > like Nalanda and Taxila ( to name just 2, there could

> > > be more still ancient than Nalanda & taxila ) which

> > > would have had students from Rome / Greece / Babylon

> > > who got taught about the astronomical info in the

> > > Vedas and these students inturn returning to their

> > > natives propagating their knowledge another possible

> > > cause ?

> > >

> > > Hipparchus lived in 2nd century BC but Vedas predates

> > > him by many years and certain info ( like the

> > > precession of equinox ) which present day science

> > > attributes as the observation of Hipparchus is infact

> > > implicit in the Vedas or puranas passed on to us from

> > > time immemorial. Aryabhata was candid enough to

> > > acknowledge the source of his info - which he himself

> > > attributes to the Vedas.

> > >

> > > The term Calendar itself has got a Sanskrit touch to

> > > it --- Cal ( Kal ) is time and Andar is gap or

> > > duration. The names of different months in the

> > > Calendar also got Sanskrit essence to it -

> > >

> > > like Dec( dasam = 10 )ember , but its the 12th month.

> > >

> > > Nov ( Navam = 9 )ember , but its the 11th month.

> > >

> > > Octo ( Ashta = 8 ) ember, but its the 10th month.

> > >

> > > Sept ( Sapta = 7 ) ember, but its the 9th month.

> > >

> > > The variation of 2 months is because the Romans

> > > decided to insert July and August to supposedly

> > > felicilate Julius and Augustus Caeser and thereby

> > > shifting Dec as the 12th, Nov as the 11th and so on.

> > >

> > > Coming to the point, the above names, terminologies

> > > numerals are as said in the Vedas which suggests a

> > > Roman/ Greek adaptation of the same from ancient

> > > Indian texts.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > >

> > > Bejoy C.S.

> > > www.keraladarsan. com

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Regards

> > >

> > > Bejoy C.S.

> > > www.keraladarsan. com

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > --- chandra_hari18 chandra_hari18@ ... wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Kumar,

> > > >

> > > > Read about Hipparchus on the net. He lived in 2nd

> > > > cent BC. He had

> > > > instruments like the astrolabe. Aryabhata came about

> > > > 600 years after and

> > > > he had good number of instruments and his

> > > > computations are accurate to

> > > > minutes of arc in certain special cases. General

> > > > accuracy was less as

> > > > the test of their computations was eclipse times

> > > > which is a very

> > > > complicated issue.

> > > >

> > > > Diameter and distances in ancient times had nothing

> > > > to do with actual

> > > > values as we know in modern astronomy. They had

> > > > relative distances

> > > > correctly like Moon is at 60 times earth's radii etc

> > > > so that the

> > > > parallax could be computed correctly.

> > > >

> > > > Aryabhata worked with knowledge came from Alexandria

> > > > at the Cera Capital

> > > > Tondi (modern Ponnani) which was an ancient Port and

> > > > Arab trade centre.

> > > > Like the Gupta age in North Cera age was the golden

> > > > period of Kerala

> > > > with flourishing foreign trade on spices and wood

> > > > etc with Egypt, Rome

> > > > and Babylon. Kerala of those days is known more

> > > > through foreign sources

> > > > - accounts of visitors - than from Indian sources.

> > > > Lot of coinage (Gold

> > > > from Rome) has been unearthed in modern times which

> > > > speak about the

> > > > Golden age.

> > > >

> > > > chandra hari

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

> > > > " vinita kumar "

> > > > shankar_mamta@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > this forum is making my head spin. i wish i knew

> > > > more to make sense

> > > > > of things. just read abt aryabhatta and his

> > > > contributions to

> > > > > astronomy. was it only thru mathmatics that he

> > > > could compute the

> > > > > circumfrence of the earth with such

> > > > precision?.. .and also come to

> > > > > other conclusions regarding motion of planets,

> > > > declination of earth,

> > > > > path of orbit, etc?

> > > > >

> > > > > it appears that mathematics/ ganita is crucial to

> > > > abstract astronomy.

> > > > > presumably in ancient times they did not have any

> > > > instruments of

> > > > > measurement and therefore relied solely on ganita

> > > > for computations

> > > > > and for arriving at conclusions. ..and that too

> > > > with so

> > > > > much accuracy!!!! !

> > > > >

> > > > > ephemeris is presumably one of the links between

> > > > astrology and

> > > > > astronomy. but then who constructed the first

> > > > accurate ephemeris?

> > > > > when and where? or did it evolve slowly over time?

> > > > how can eclipses

> > > > > be predicted so accurately even today based on the

> > > > ancient ephemiris?

> > > > >

> > > > > why are there common features in calendars across

> > > > the globe...?

> > > > > lunar calendars, solar calendars, calendars using

> > > > planets (Mayaan

> > > > > calendar based on Venus and ending with the

> > > > eclipse of Venus in

> > > > > 2012?)calendars having seven days in a week? did

> > > > the calendars /

> > > > > ephemeris have a common origin or was there better

> > > > communication

> > > > > among civilisations across space and over time

> > > > than we can imagine?

> > > > >

> > > > > to make any chart how could ancient astrologers

> > > > have such good

> > > > > knowledge of the position of not only the

> > > > placement and movement of

> > > > > bodies in the solar system but also their

> > > > relationship with more

> > > > > distant and therefore relatively stable

> > > > stars/nakshatras in outer

> > > > > space?....how did they know abt precession, cycles

> > > > of time / yugas,

> > > > > etc....combining the micro in the chart with the

> > > > macro of the cosmos?

> > > > >

> > > > > not only this, but going by one of the messages on

> > > > this forum there

> > > > > was knowledge in the ancient times of how our

> > > > solar system revolved

> > > > > around the sapatarishis and how the saptarishis

> > > > revolved around the

> > > > > dhruva tara and how the dhruv tara revolved around

> > > > Brahma....!? ...or

> > > > > a huge black hole in the centre of the galaxy,

> > > > according to modern

> > > > > day physics?

> > > > >

> > > > > there is a theory that our planet was visited by

> > > > super intelligent

> > > > > creatures from outer space. could the knowledge of

> > > > the brahmanda

> > > > > been brought to earth by such beings who then

> > > > codified it in

> > > > > secret / hidden / obscure texts, including the

> > > > ephemiris? or could

> > > > > it be that rishis sitting in meditation could

> > > > anyway realize the

> > > > > brahmanda as an inner journey....and wrote abt it

> > > > in ancient

> > > > > treatises?

> > > > >

> > > > > it is easy to indulge fantasies... but the fact

> > > > remains that

> > > > > knowledge is sooooooooo vaste and so intimidating

> > > > that i can only

> > > > > stand stupefied, mouth open in wonder, as the

> > > > world and the head

> > > > > spins around....and i marvel at my

> > > > ignorance... .even on this forum.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _\

> > ____________

> > > Never miss a thing. Make your home page.

> > > http://www.. com/r/hs

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

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Dear Sepp,

 

I would envy any one who could provide such concrete

proof or evidence about things related to the outer

universe. I would only conjecture as I must admit to

my limitations.

 

Cheers

 

Bejoy C.S.

www.keraladarsan.com

 

 

 

 

--- Sepp Rothwangl <calendersign wrote:

 

>

> Am 18.12.2007 um 16:15 schrieb Bejoy:

>

> >

> > In other words, the value of precession while

> > applicable to the orbit of the Sun is also

> applicable

> > at a much higher orbit of Brahma as well. Thats

> my

> > conjecture.

>

> Yes, I know.

> But it's a conjecture only.

> No concrete hint or proof.

> Sepp

 

 

 

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