Blind chart reading - Where is Rao ji and Goel ji

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Dear All,

So many people are making very good and bold attempts on the blind chart reading. Many enthusiastic and knowledgeable members like Finn ji, Renu ji, Raghavn ji, Srinivas ji, Ravi ji, Neelam Gupta ji, Durga ji, VIGHNESH ji, Pandit ji, Sasi Bhushan ji - has sincerely attempted it.

But I don't see two of our most enthusiastic and aggressive members anywhere in this attempt.

* Goel ji &

* Ramdas Rao ji

They were/are very active in this group and as such I would expect a reading from them as well. Dear Rao ji and Goel ji please come forward and make your attempt. Once that too is over we will wind-up this exercise and the results will be announced.

Important:

----------

* If you are not ready to play the hero by making a winning or losing reading about the same, please don't try to play police later when everything is over - such as suggesting it shouldn't be like that, it should be like that; or how could it be so when the rules are so and so etc. It is very easy to locate such tricky tactics.

* Note that, No Explanations or further discussions are allowed once the final results are revealed.

* No explanations from non-participants are required. Practical astrology is a game for the daring individuals who are bold and sincere enough to accept both success and failure.

Love and regards,Sreenadh

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Dear Respected Ramadas Raoji

 

It is sad to see your decision.Even though it is natural to react as

you have done my request will be to come back for the benefit of all

students.Your experience is very helpful and you as an elder a kindly

forgive.

 

Pradeep

, HosabettuRamadas Rao

<ramadasrao wrote:

>

>

> Dear Sreenadh Ji,

> Have you read Prashna Margam, 1st chapter about the qualities of a

good Astrologer ? You think that you are the biggest Astrologer in

this world.Dont write such aggressive words.I think this is not a good

discussion forum for me and I am retiring from your discussion

form.Please dont sen any invitation again.

> H.R.Rao.

>

>

> : sreesog: Fri, 23 Nov 2007

12:40:51 +0000 Blind chart reading

- Where is Rao ji and Goel ji

>

>

>

>

>

> Dear All,

> So many people are making very good and bold attempts on the blind

chart reading. Many enthusiastic and knowledgeable members like Finn

ji, Renu ji, Raghavn ji, Srinivas ji, Ravi ji, Neelam Gupta ji, Durga

ji, VIGHNESH ji, Pandit ji, Sasi Bhushan ji - has sincerely attempted it.

> But I don't see two of our most enthusiastic and aggressive members

anywhere in this attempt.

> * Goel ji &

> * Ramdas Rao ji

> They were/are very active in this group and as such I would expect

a reading from them as well. Dear Rao ji and Goel ji please come

forward and make your attempt. Once that too is over we will wind-up

this exercise and the results will be announced.

> Important:

> ----------

> * If you are not ready to play the hero by making a winning or

losing reading about the same, please don't try to play police later

when everything is over - such as suggesting it shouldn't be like

that, it should be like that; or how could it be so when the rules are

so and so etc. It is very easy to locate such tricky tactics.

> * Note that, No Explanations or further discussions are allowed

once the final results are revealed.

> * No explanations from non-participants are required. Practical

astrology is a game for the daring individuals who are bold and

sincere enough to accept both success and failure.

> Love and regards,Sreenadh

>

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Dear ramadas ji ,

Prashna maarga tells abt so many qualities for astrologers ,which also includes one shud be humble and should be without ego.So just some guru hood wont be enough .We should show this sastra is working ,How without a participation from Your side it is possible .Or is it enough when some one failes ,then we go and say why dont u see this aspect or its written in this hora or that books this is the results are like this .

It was a blind reading which we r testing the effeciency of astrological scince .A wrong feeding of data or even the days mood of astrologer may reflect in predictions .But it has one effect on this group that astro principle are universal and valid tru out ages .

So if gurus shun away then who should participate ,the novices or illitterate in astrology students ?

I know that u will not answer it or u might hav already resigned from this group .

Here the main challenge was there is so many schools of thoughts in astrology which promotes their own way of principles and systems .

So this kind of reading exercise s are to test the validity of the so called theoreys .I find some memebrs will declare a past event and ask astrologer to see it .Then u can find all people will come out with their own theoreys to establish the event on a post mortem analalysis.

So gurus of each system are not ready to took up this then what is proof of any system working .

Who is responsible for bad plight of this sceince .

You know the storey of great Varahamihira ,who take the risk of predicting death of a prince and if some thing happened he would hav to cool his heels in cellar .

Its lucky that prashna maarga was written in another millenium .Otherwise he can also say this to the king .

regrds Vijaya raghavan guruvayur .

, HosabettuRamadas Rao <ramadasrao wrote:>> > Dear Sreenadh Ji,> Have you read Prashna Margam, 1st chapter about the qualities of a good Astrologer ? You think that you are the biggest Astrologer in this world.Dont write such aggressive words.I think this is not a good discussion forum for me and I am retiring from your discussion form.Please dont sen any invitation again.> H.R.Rao.> > > : sreesog: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 12:40:51 +0000 Blind chart reading - Where is Rao ji and Goel ji> > > > > > Dear All,> So many people are making very good and bold attempts on the blind chart reading. Many enthusiastic and knowledgeable members like Finn ji, Renu ji, Raghavn ji, Srinivas ji, Ravi ji, Neelam Gupta ji, Durga ji, VIGHNESH ji, Pandit ji, Sasi Bhushan ji - has sincerely attempted it. > But I don't see two of our most enthusiastic and aggressive members anywhere in this attempt. > * Goel ji & > * Ramdas Rao ji> They were/are very active in this group and as such I would expect a reading from them as well. Dear Rao ji and Goel ji please come forward and make your attempt. Once that too is over we will wind-up this exercise and the results will be announced. > Important:> ----------> * If you are not ready to play the hero by making a winning or losing reading about the same, please don't try to play police later when everything is over - such as suggesting it shouldn't be like that, it should be like that; or how could it be so when the rules are so and so etc. It is very easy to locate such tricky tactics. > * Note that, No Explanations or further discussions are allowed once the final results are revealed.> * No explanations from non-participants are required. Practical astrology is a game for the daring individuals who are bold and sincere enough to accept both success and failure. > Love and regards,Sreenadh > > > > > > > > _______________> Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces. It's easy!> http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create & wx_url=/friends.aspx & mkt=en-us>

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dear fraternal friends

 

ancient indian astrology as this group name stands, involves the

hindu mythological planets and gods and is believed and practiced

mostly by hindus who rank third in the religion or population by

religion in the world i.e. one third of the world. more than two

thirds of the world population is living without knowing their fate

or future based on astrology.

 

in all olden yugas, almost all sages are trikalajnanis i.e. those who

knew the past, present and the future. astrology or astronomy is

only reckoned for fixing muhurtams and at best for knowing the good

and bad indicators at the time of birth of a child. only in

kaliyuga, the help of astrologers has become prominent as sages have

become rare or extinct. all present systems of astrology are not

hundred percent foolproof which is why it is not a scientific subject

and is not a part of curriculum even in hindu schools and colleges.

most people confuse by mixing astronomy and astrology. astronomy

deals with motion of planets based on mathematical principles and

hence astronomy is an established science and is a subject

everywhere. but astrology deals with INFERENCES on indication of

future incidents of a native by applying the astronomcial motion of

planets including non existing rahu and ketu and various lordships of

these planets and various mollification poojas and rituals for these

planets and their lords.

 

by merely seeing a chart or by casting a chart based on given birth

details, no astrologer can say whether it is a male or female, or

whether it is living or dead. in one astrological group, one

member gave his pet dog birth details and the astrologers predicted

it construing as a human. many astrologers cast prashna charts to

find out these gender and living details which are as easy as 50:50

but still there is no foolproof system to find these simple basic

details correctly in all cases.

 

a person practicing ancient indian astrology must also be believing

in ancient indian hindu mythological divine theories and the hindu

paramparas wherein various other laws also come into force like the

karmic theory, the power of god viz. the blessings and curses of god

by the actions of the natives, paschattapa and self improvement by

sinners leading to happy lives thereafter or simply put self will.

all these things are beyond the periphery of astrological

futuretelling and hence astrology must be treated only as an

indicator and not as a hundred percent foolproof predictive science.

 

many learnt astrologers conclude that analysing a chart post (after)

an incident is easy for the reasons of that incident. but when

thousands of innocent people die en masse in earthquakes, floods and

lakhs of people perish in tsunami almost all dying at the same time,

these are attributed as ACTS OF GOD. even the government of india

and the insurance companies terms these incidents as acts of gods or

nature's fury etc. astrology has no convincing reason for such lakhs

of people getting killed at the same time even when all of them are

having differnet lagnas, different birth stars and different

lifespans as per their birthcharts. this issue was discussed in

other astro forums earlier but no astrologer guru has any convincing

reason to fix astrological principles for these acts of god.

 

hence my request to all astrologers is to accept the limitations of

astrology in the first place. however, we all can improve on our

predictions based on the most accepted priniples of planetary motions

and their impacts on human lives. with this backdrop, i appreciate

the efforts of sreenadhji who is the first astrolger among all

internet based astrology groups to focus and learn and improve on

knowing the basic predictive principles of astrology. even though

his various threads in various groups look basic and rudimentary for

the so called masters of indian astrology, the basic principle never

change and we all (including myself) shall get our basics right in

unison. applicability of these principles and their accuracy is

always fraught with both success and failure.

 

members may kindly respond to the ISSUES highlighted and give the

astrological answers to these issues.

 

with best wishes and blessings

pandit arjun

www.rudraksharemedy.com

 

, " lion_draco1983 "

<lion_draco1983 wrote:

>

>

> Dear ramadas ji ,

>

> Prashna maarga tells abt so many qualities

for

> astrologers ,which also includes one shud be humble and should be

> without ego.So just some guru hood wont be enough .We should show

this

> sastra is working ,How without a participation from Your side it is

> possible .Or is it enough when some one failes ,then we go and say

why

> dont u see this aspect or its written in this hora or that books

this

> is the results are like this .

>

> It was a blind reading which we r testing the effeciency of

> astrological scince .A wrong feeding of data or even the days mood

of

> astrologer may reflect in predictions .But it has one effect on this

> group that astro principle are universal and valid tru out ages .

>

> So if gurus shun away then who should participate ,the novices or

> illitterate in astrology students ?

>

> I know that u will not answer it or u might hav already resigned

from

> this group .

>

> Here the main challenge was there is so many schools of thoughts in

> astrology which promotes their own way of principles and systems .

>

> So this kind of reading exercise s are to test the validity of the

so

> called theoreys .I find some memebrs will declare a past event and

ask

> astrologer to see it .Then u can find all people will come out with

> their own theoreys to establish the event on a post mortem

analalysis.

>

> So gurus of each system are not ready to took up this then what is

proof

> of any system working .

>

> Who is responsible for bad plight of this sceince .

>

> You know the storey of great Varahamihira ,who take the risk of

> predicting death of a prince and if some thing happened he would

hav to

> cool his heels in cellar .

>

> Its lucky that prashna maarga was written in another millenium

> .Otherwise he can also say this to the king .

>

> regrds Vijaya raghavan guruvayur .

>

>

> , HosabettuRamadas

Rao

> <ramadasrao@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear Sreenadh Ji,

> > Have you read Prashna Margam, 1st chapter about the qualities of a

> good Astrologer ? You think that you are the biggest Astrologer in

this

> world.Dont write such aggressive words.I think this is not a good

> discussion forum for me and I am retiring from your discussion

> form.Please dont sen any invitation again.

> > H.R.Rao.

> >

> >

> > @: sreesog@: Fri, 23 Nov 2007

> 12:40:51 +0000 Blind chart

reading -

> Where is Rao ji and Goel ji

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear All,

> > So many people are making very good and bold attempts on the blind

> chart reading. Many enthusiastic and knowledgeable members like

Finn ji,

> Renu ji, Raghavn ji, Srinivas ji, Ravi ji, Neelam Gupta ji, Durga

ji,

> VIGHNESH ji, Pandit ji, Sasi Bhushan ji - has sincerely attempted

it.

> > But I don't see two of our most enthusiastic and aggressive

members

> anywhere in this attempt.

> > * Goel ji &

> > * Ramdas Rao ji

> > They were/are very active in this group and as such I would

expect a

> reading from them as well. Dear Rao ji and Goel ji please come

forward

> and make your attempt. Once that too is over we will wind-up this

> exercise and the results will be announced.

> > Important:

> > ----------

> > * If you are not ready to play the hero by making a winning or

losing

> reading about the same, please don't try to play police later when

> everything is over - such as suggesting it shouldn't be like that,

it

> should be like that; or how could it be so when the rules are so

and so

> etc. It is very easy to locate such tricky tactics.

> > * Note that, No Explanations or further discussions are allowed

once

> the final results are revealed.

> > * No explanations from non-participants are required. Practical

> astrology is a game for the daring individuals who are bold and

sincere

> enough to accept both success and failure.

> > Love and regards,Sreenadh

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > _______________

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Late Sri B.V. Raman during his days, did conduct astro_conferences

where in the quiz were part of the event, many astros used to

participate and used it as a medium to sharpen their skills. Later,

he used his magazine to bring different predictive styles and share

the information across caste/creed/race...etc.. He used it very

effectively to recognize and promote any young talent that he chanced

upon, and it would be right to say to an extent that Sri K.N. Rao

success and rise has its base in Astrological Magazine & conferences

he attended before he choose to start his own....but still the

differences if any were only technical, both had deep respect to each

other and maintained a dignified profiles in public & also in

private. Even today, Sri K.N. Rao does refer to Late Sri B.V. Rao

contributions to astrology {depending upon the occasion}.

 

Unless, we share the knowledge, which elders like you surely have

immense experiences to share with {other than this single email

referred in your posting}, it would be travesty of justice, that for

one person, rest of the members should also getting clubbed in it !!

 

Kindly take it as an one off -incident, remain in the group and share

your experiences on the subject.

 

with regards,

sreeram srinivas

 

, HosabettuRamadas Rao

<ramadasrao wrote:

 

 

Dear Sreenadh Ji,

Have you read Prashna Margam, 1st chapter about the qualities of a

good Astrologer ? You think that you are the biggest Astrologer in

this world.Dont write such aggressive words.I think this is not a good

discussion forum for me and I am retiring from your discussion

form.Please dont sen any invitation again.

H.R.Rao.

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Sreenadh did put my name too in that list. So I too may quit the group

but without any announcement. What if I leave a group that it needs an

announcement like a Minister resigning from the cabinet?

 

Self given importance make people act like VIPs. What contributions do

we make to astrology, other than distortions? Many big names...? Many so

called groups and so many giants stride across which are not worth a

single penny scientific contribution to Jyotihsastra. Simply fooling

people with astro-gimmicks.

 

chandra hari

 

 

, " Finn Wandahl "

<finn.wandahl wrote:

>

> Dear members,

>

> Needless to say, I agree 100% with Mr. Ramadas Rao.

>

> As a consequence of this I have decided to take a break from this

> group, and therefore I will not be available for debating.

>

> Best wishes,

> Finn Wandahl

>

>

>

> , HosabettuRamadas Rao

> ramadasrao@ wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear Sreenadh Ji,

> > Have you read Prashna Margam, 1st chapter about the qualities of a

> good Astrologer ? You think that you are the biggest Astrologer in

> this world.Dont write such aggressive words.I think this is not a good

> discussion forum for me and I am retiring from your discussion

> form.Please dont sen any invitation again.

> > H.R.Rao.

> >

> >

> > @: sreesog@: Fri, 23 Nov 2007

> 12:40:51 +0000 Blind chart reading

> - Where is Rao ji and Goel ji

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear All,

> > So many people are making very good and bold attempts on the blind

> chart reading. Many enthusiastic and knowledgeable members like Finn

> ji, Renu ji, Raghavn ji, Srinivas ji, Ravi ji, Neelam Gupta ji, Durga

> ji, VIGHNESH ji, Pandit ji, Sasi Bhushan ji - has sincerely attempted

it.

> > But I don't see two of our most enthusiastic and aggressive members

> anywhere in this attempt.

> > * Goel ji &

> > * Ramdas Rao ji

> > They were/are very active in this group and as such I would expect

> a reading from them as well. Dear Rao ji and Goel ji please come

> forward and make your attempt. Once that too is over we will wind-up

> this exercise and the results will be announced.

> > Important:

> > ----------

> > * If you are not ready to play the hero by making a winning or

> losing reading about the same, please don't try to play police later

> when everything is over - such as suggesting it shouldn't be like

> that, it should be like that; or how could it be so when the rules are

> so and so etc. It is very easy to locate such tricky tactics.

> > * Note that, No Explanations or further discussions are allowed

> once the final results are revealed.

> > * No explanations from non-participants are required. Practical

> astrology is a game for the daring individuals who are bold and

> sincere enough to accept both success and failure.

> > Love and regards,Sreenadh

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > _______________

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i am wondering "who knows who" in these hundered of forums on astrology ? Most of these forums are required by people to advertise themselves. You will see many people here having their own webpage where they can predict your future by "what-not" methods. One question is always in my mind which is apart from the current topic.. If astrology is really effective then why its not the MAIN part of people's life ? Jagdish chandra_hari18 <chandra_hari18 wrote: Sreenadh did put my name too in that list. So I too may quit the groupbut without any announcement. What if I leave a group that it needs anannouncement like a Minister resigning from the cabinet?Self given importance make people act like VIPs. What contributions dowe make to astrology, other than distortions? Many big names...? Many socalled groups and so many giants stride across which are not worth asingle penny scientific contribution to Jyotihsastra. Simply foolingpeople with astro-gimmicks.chandra hari , "Finn Wandahl"<finn.wandahl wrote:>> Dear members,>> Needless to say, I agree 100% with Mr. Ramadas Rao.>> As a consequence of this I have

decided to take a break from this> group, and therefore I will not be available for debating.>> Best wishes,> Finn Wandahl>>>> , HosabettuRamadas Rao> ramadasrao@ wrote:> >> >> > Dear Sreenadh Ji,> > Have you read Prashna Margam, 1st chapter about the qualities of a> good Astrologer ? You think that you are the biggest Astrologer in> this world.Dont write such aggressive words.I think this is not a good> discussion forum for me and I am retiring from your discussion> form.Please dont sen any invitation again.> > H.R.Rao.> >> >> > @: sreesog@: Fri, 23 Nov 2007> 12:40:51 +0000 Blind chart

reading> - Where is Rao ji and Goel ji> >> >> >> >> >> > Dear All,> > So many people are making very good and bold attempts on the blind> chart reading. Many enthusiastic and knowledgeable members like Finn> ji, Renu ji, Raghavn ji, Srinivas ji, Ravi ji, Neelam Gupta ji, Durga> ji, VIGHNESH ji, Pandit ji, Sasi Bhushan ji - has sincerely attemptedit.> > But I don't see two of our most enthusiastic and aggressive members> anywhere in this attempt.> > * Goel ji & > > * Ramdas Rao ji> > They were/are very active in this group and as such I would expect> a reading from them as well. Dear Rao ji and Goel ji please come> forward and make your attempt. Once that too is over we will wind-up> this exercise and the results will be announced.> > Important:> > ----------> > * If you are

not ready to play the hero by making a winning or> losing reading about the same, please don't try to play police later> when everything is over - such as suggesting it shouldn't be like> that, it should be like that; or how could it be so when the rules are> so and so etc. It is very easy to locate such tricky tactics. > > * Note that, No Explanations or further discussions are allowed> once the final results are revealed.> > * No explanations from non-participants are required. Practical> astrology is a game for the daring individuals who are bold and> sincere enough to accept both success and failure.> > Love and regards,Sreenadh> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ________> > Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with

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dear friend

 

let me give simple answers to your last query.

 

most people in communist countries like china and russia believe only

in themselves and dont believe in planets and attribute both success

and failure equally to the proportion of their own efforts. no

wonder they excel in all areas ranging from sports to business.

 

most people in developed countries spent decades of service in

research, innovations and discoveries and they enjoy more than ninety

percent of patents in the world. remember all these invented

MATERIAL wonders which we are enjoying in our daily lives are all the

gifts of these scientists and not descended from the planets.

 

in our country india, many people (may be majority but not all)strive

to attribute any and everything to god and planets and treat

themselves as puppets with the strings in the hands of the planets.

astrologers are the engineers or doctors who learn this art of

adjusting the strings firstly by identifying which planet is holding

which part of the native and then adjust, stop, reduce or enhance the

planetary impacts by suggesting various remedies. when you have a

physical problem and visit a doctor you dont go for simple reports

and predictions, you also go for medicines. similarly astrologers

not only give readings but also prescribe various remedies ranging

from chanting mantras, doing havans, fastings, poojas, abhishekams,

pilgrimages and also wearing various stones, beads etc.

 

my concluding observation is that vedic aka mythological aka divine

aka spiritual astrology are all matters of faith and are practiced

only by solicitation by those who have faith. hence any person who

consults or visits an astrologer believes in these faiths and the

astrologer speaks the astro logical language.

 

with best wishes and blessings

pandit arjun

www.rudraksharemedy.com

 

, Prathamesn Chawan

<upaoakcrest wrote:

>

> i am wondering " who knows who " in these hundered of forums on

astrology ? Most of these forums are required by people to advertise

themselves. You will see many people here having their own webpage

where they can predict your future by " what-not " methods.

>

> One question is always in my mind which is apart from the current

topic..

>

> If astrology is really effective then why its not the MAIN part

of people's life ?

>

> Jagdish

>

>

>

>

>

> chandra_hari18 <chandra_hari18 wrote:

>

> Sreenadh did put my name too in that list. So I too may quit the

group

> but without any announcement. What if I leave a group that it needs

an

> announcement like a Minister resigning from the cabinet?

>

> Self given importance make people act like VIPs. What contributions

do

> we make to astrology, other than distortions? Many big names...?

Many so

> called groups and so many giants stride across which are not worth a

> single penny scientific contribution to Jyotihsastra. Simply fooling

> people with astro-gimmicks.

>

> chandra hari

>

> , " Finn Wandahl "

> <finn.wandahl@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear members,

> >

> > Needless to say, I agree 100% with Mr. Ramadas Rao.

> >

> > As a consequence of this I have decided to take a break from this

> > group, and therefore I will not be available for debating.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> > Finn Wandahl

> >

> >

> >

> > , HosabettuRamadas

Rao

> > ramadasrao@ wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Sreenadh Ji,

> > > Have you read Prashna Margam, 1st chapter about the qualities

of a

> > good Astrologer ? You think that you are the biggest Astrologer in

> > this world.Dont write such aggressive words.I think this is not a

good

> > discussion forum for me and I am retiring from your discussion

> > form.Please dont sen any invitation again.

> > > H.R.Rao.

> > >

> > >

> > > @: sreesog@: Fri, 23 Nov 2007

> > 12:40:51 +0000 Blind chart

reading

> > - Where is Rao ji and Goel ji

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear All,

> > > So many people are making very good and bold attempts on the

blind

> > chart reading. Many enthusiastic and knowledgeable members like

Finn

> > ji, Renu ji, Raghavn ji, Srinivas ji, Ravi ji, Neelam Gupta ji,

Durga

> > ji, VIGHNESH ji, Pandit ji, Sasi Bhushan ji - has sincerely

attempted

> it.

> > > But I don't see two of our most enthusiastic and aggressive

members

> > anywhere in this attempt.

> > > * Goel ji &

> > > * Ramdas Rao ji

> > > They were/are very active in this group and as such I would

expect

> > a reading from them as well. Dear Rao ji and Goel ji please come

> > forward and make your attempt. Once that too is over we will wind-

up

> > this exercise and the results will be announced.

> > > Important:

> > > ----------

> > > * If you are not ready to play the hero by making a winning or

> > losing reading about the same, please don't try to play police

later

> > when everything is over - such as suggesting it shouldn't be like

> > that, it should be like that; or how could it be so when the

rules are

> > so and so etc. It is very easy to locate such tricky tactics.

> > > * Note that, No Explanations or further discussions are allowed

> > once the final results are revealed.

> > > * No explanations from non-participants are required. Practical

> > astrology is a game for the daring individuals who are bold and

> > sincere enough to accept both success and failure.

> > > Love and regards,Sreenadh

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Dear Jagdish Chawanji,

You have hit the bulls-eye with your terse words !! Much of this knowledge was in possession of brahmins, who for karmic reasons could not sustain the sanctity of the sacred texts & its essence, who for their sustenance gave away the manuscripts or got stolen or termites taking its due ...etc... it is NOT necessary that a brahmin descendants to be equally holy than his lineage for the cycle of "kaalachakra" ensures some levels of degradation to happen in every aspect of life

Now to organize the lost knowledge, we need to form groups - a group, which collects slokas, second group, which discusses & debates the slokas and conclude its authenticity and classify them as original and subsequently added ones, another group to see its applications...etc.. Going by the Mr. Chandrahari's earlier posting informing that the respected magazine "Astrological Magazine" is closed or dead on 31-Dec-2007.

So individual differences, egos, personality clashes...etc.. have taken the toll. We have Sanjay Rath of SJC group, Sri K.N. Rao groups, Mr. R.G. Rao groups, Late Sri B.V. Raman groups...etc.. { good to note that there is NO Late Sri C.S. Patel group}...who today DO NOT see eye to eye or word -word on any matter.

Now see how our western brothers have done, they have many groups like us, but in evey world conference they conduct, there is a resolution accepted by every body...and they keep marching....

Over and above, our great politicians, who at every elections run to astrologers for consultancy, do NOT contribute a singe "cent" for its preservation....either to do digital printing of sacred books or manuscripts or ...etc.. and making them available to the professionals.... { the less said about Indian Politicians - the better }

has been kind engough to provide a medium to share knowledge, but go through the lists 1200+ members, but how many real contributors....?? limited to 10-15 nos maximum.

In the last 4 days, I went through archives of a popular astrology group.....very popular one time....browsed through over 2500+ emails.....did not find a single worthy astro statement to say that I can now apply and learn to predict correctly....{surely I am NOT interested in predicting correctly & earn fame....but for the sheer satisfaction of perfecting the technique}...many learned names are there.....2500+ emails between 10 noted persons, just think over a period of one year,.....NOT a single worthy statement....if anybody wants to know the details contact me in offline......

Now comes the question - then why people do not share.....they are convinced astrology is a super science, but when it comes to application in public domain ...they go into their shells....that is what Sri K.N. Rao grouses everytime....when it came to defend astrology in Supreme Court of India, NOT a single astro came forward.....surely for many it is a profession to earn money and depend on it for survival.....he single handedly defend it through case studies and won the judgement......i.e May 2004 or 2005. The output was his book Jyotisha the Super science.... a collection of arguments in favor of astrology.

This pseudo practises of astrology did more harm than anything else. We in this group, have collected {mainly Sreenadh} some rare slokas, not published anywhere before in any secret lanaguages, want to share them to those enthusiasts....try to diseminate what we understand from the slokas - correct or wrong.....and publish them for posterity to pick it up as required.

We do not claim that we are either messiahs or great predictors....but surely we are doing the job, that we are convinced of.....to give back to astrology some thing in return to the knowledge we have gained over the time period......

Kindly browse through the archives, surely you will find good reading material...which unlike other forums, we take time to keep it healthy with quality mails.....{do proper administrative jobs in maintaining only quality mails }...so that the big size of emails should NOT be indicator of quality - as it may attract more "rag pickers or kabadiwalas -called in India}, here we want to attract or keep the interest of educated persons who sincerely looking for quality astro material.

While having said this, we also open to discuss and debate and accept superior logics with humility so that the subject of astrology wins - NOT the individuals behind it.

with regards,

sreeram srinivas

, Prathamesn Chawan <upaoakcrest wrote: i am wondering "who knows who" in these hundered of forums on astrology ? Most of these forums are required by people to advertise themselves. You will see many people here having their own webpage where they can predict your future by "what-not" methods. One question is always in my mind which is apart from the current topic.. If astrology is really effective then why its not the MAIN part of people's life ? Jagdish

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Dear Sreeram ji,

I quote your final statement, which is an important timely saying...

"While having said this, we also open to discuss and debate and accept superior logics with humility so that the subject of astrology wins - NOT the individuals behind it."

Thanks for such brilliant thoughts...

blessings

Renu

, "sreeram srinivas" <sreeram64 wrote:>> > Dear Jagdish Chawanji,> > You have hit the bulls-eye with your terse words !! Much of this> knowledge was in possession of brahmins, who for karmic reasons could> not sustain the sanctity of the sacred texts & its essence, who for> their sustenance gave away the manuscripts or got stolen or termites> taking its due ...etc... it is NOT necessary that a brahmin> descendants to be equally holy than his lineage for the cycle of> "kaalachakra" ensures some levels of degradation to happen in every> aspect of life> > Now to organize the lost knowledge, we need to form groups - a group,> which collects slokas, second group, which discusses & debates the> slokas and conclude its authenticity and classify them as original and> subsequently added ones, another group to see its applications...etc.. > Going by the Mr. Chandrahari's earlier posting informing that the> respected magazine "Astrological Magazine" is closed or dead on> 31-Dec-2007.> > So individual differences, egos, personality clashes...etc.. have taken> the toll. We have Sanjay Rath of SJC group, Sri K.N. Rao groups, Mr.> R.G. Rao groups, Late Sri B.V. Raman groups...etc.. { good to note that> there is NO Late Sri C.S. Patel group}...who today DO NOT see eye to eye> or word -word on any matter.> > Now see how our western brothers have done, they have many groups like> us, but in evey world conference they conduct, there is a resolution> accepted by every body...and they keep marching....> > Over and above, our great politicians, who at every elections run to> astrologers for consultancy, do NOT contribute a singe "cent" for its> preservation....either to do digital printing of sacred books or> manuscripts or ...etc.. and making them available to the> professionals.... { the less said about Indian Politicians - the better> }> > has been kind engough to provide a medium to share knowledge, but> go through the lists 1200+ members, but how many real contributors....??> limited to 10-15 nos maximum.> > In the last 4 days, I went through archives of a popular astrology> group.....very popular one time....browsed through over 2500+> emails.....did not find a single worthy astro statement to say that I> can now apply and learn to predict correctly....{surely I am NOT> interested in predicting correctly & earn fame....but for the sheer> satisfaction of perfecting the technique}...many learned names are> there.....2500+ emails between 10 noted persons, just think over a> period of one year,.....NOT a single worthy statement....if anybody> wants to know the details contact me in offline......> > Now comes the question - then why people do not share.....they are> convinced astrology is a super science, but when it comes to application> in public domain ...they go into their shells....that is what Sri K.N.> Rao grouses everytime....when it came to defend astrology in Supreme> Court of India, NOT a single astro came forward.....surely for many it> is a profession to earn money and depend on it for survival.....he> single handedly defend it through case studies and won the> judgement......i.e May 2004 or 2005. The output was his book Jyotisha> the Super science.... a collection of arguments in favor of astrology.> > This pseudo practises of astrology did more harm than anything else. > We in this group, have collected {mainly Sreenadh} some rare slokas, not> published anywhere before in any secret lanaguages, want to share them> to those enthusiasts....try to diseminate what we understand from the> slokas - correct or wrong.....and publish them for posterity to pick it> up as required.> > We do not claim that we are either messiahs or great predictors....but> surely we are doing the job, that we are convinced of.....to give back> to astrology some thing in return to the knowledge we have gained over> the time period......> > Kindly browse through the archives, surely you will find good reading> material...which unlike other forums, we take time to keep it healthy> with quality mails.....{do proper administrative jobs in maintaining> only quality mails }...so that the big size of emails should NOT be> indicator of quality - as it may attract more "rag pickers or> kabadiwalas -called in India}, here we want to attract or keep the> interest of educated persons who sincerely looking for quality astro> material.> > While having said this, we also open to discuss and debate and accept> superior logics with humility so that the subject of astrology wins -> NOT the individuals behind it.> > with regards,> > sreeram srinivas> > , Prathamesn Chawan> upaoakcrest@ wrote:> > i am wondering "who knows who" in these hundered of forums on> astrology ? Most of these forums are required by people to advertise> themselves. You will see many people here having their own webpage where> they can predict your future by "what-not" methods.> > One question is always in my mind which is apart from the current> topic..> > If astrology is really effective then why its not the MAIN part of> people's life ?> > Jagdish>

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Dear Renu ji,

You echoed the words I wanted to say.

Love,

Sreenadh

 

 

, "renunw" <renunw wrote:>>

Dear Sreeram ji,

I quote your final statement, which is an important timely saying...

"While having said this, we also open to discuss and debate and accept superior logics with humility so that the subject of astrology wins - NOT the individuals behind it."

Thanks for such brilliant thoughts...

blessings

Renu

> > > , "sreeram srinivas"> sreeram64@ wrote:> >> >> > Dear Jagdish Chawanji,> >> > You have hit the bulls-eye with your terse words !! Much of this> > knowledge was in possession of brahmins, who for karmic reasons could> > not sustain the sanctity of the sacred texts & its essence, who for> > their sustenance gave away the manuscripts or got stolen or termites> > taking its due ...etc... it is NOT necessary that a brahmin> > descendants to be equally holy than his lineage for the cycle of> > "kaalachakra" ensures some levels of degradation to happen in every> > aspect of life> >> > Now to organize the lost knowledge, we need to form groups - a group,> > which collects slokas, second group, which discusses & debates the> > slokas and conclude its authenticity and classify them as original and> > subsequently added ones, another group to see its applications...etc..> > Going by the Mr. Chandrahari's earlier posting informing that the> > respected magazine "Astrological Magazine" is closed or dead on> > 31-Dec-2007.> >> > So individual differences, egos, personality clashes...etc.. have> taken> > the toll. We have Sanjay Rath of SJC group, Sri K.N. Rao groups, Mr.> > R.G. Rao groups, Late Sri B.V. Raman groups...etc.. { good to note> that> > there is NO Late Sri C.S. Patel group}...who today DO NOT see eye to> eye> > or word -word on any matter.> >> > Now see how our western brothers have done, they have many groups like> > us, but in evey world conference they conduct, there is a resolution> > accepted by every body...and they keep marching....> >> > Over and above, our great politicians, who at every elections run to> > astrologers for consultancy, do NOT contribute a singe "cent" for its> > preservation....either to do digital printing of sacred books or> > manuscripts or ...etc.. and making them available to the> > professionals.... { the less said about Indian Politicians - the> better> > }> >> > has been kind engough to provide a medium to share knowledge,> but> > go through the lists 1200+ members, but how many real> contributors....??> > limited to 10-15 nos maximum.> >> > In the last 4 days, I went through archives of a popular astrology> > group.....very popular one time....browsed through over 2500+> > emails.....did not find a single worthy astro statement to say that I> > can now apply and learn to predict correctly....{surely I am NOT> > interested in predicting correctly & earn fame....but for the sheer> > satisfaction of perfecting the technique}...many learned names are> > there.....2500+ emails between 10 noted persons, just think over a> > period of one year,.....NOT a single worthy statement....if anybody> > wants to know the details contact me in offline......> >> > Now comes the question - then why people do not share.....they are> > convinced astrology is a super science, but when it comes to> application> > in public domain ...they go into their shells....that is what Sri K.N.> > Rao grouses everytime....when it came to defend astrology in Supreme> > Court of India, NOT a single astro came forward.....surely for many it> > is a profession to earn money and depend on it for survival.....he> > single handedly defend it through case studies and won the> > judgement......i.e May 2004 or 2005. The output was his book Jyotisha> > the Super science.... a collection of arguments in favor of astrology.> >> > This pseudo practises of astrology did more harm than anything else.> > We in this group, have collected {mainly Sreenadh} some rare slokas,> not> > published anywhere before in any secret lanaguages, want to share them> > to those enthusiasts....try to diseminate what we understand from the> > slokas - correct or wrong.....and publish them for posterity to pick> it> > up as required.> >> > We do not claim that we are either messiahs or great predictors....but> > surely we are doing the job, that we are convinced of.....to give back> > to astrology some thing in return to the knowledge we have gained over> > the time period......> >> > Kindly browse through the archives, surely you will find good reading> > material...which unlike other forums, we take time to keep it healthy> > with quality mails.....{do proper administrative jobs in maintaining> > only quality mails }...so that the big size of emails should NOT be> > indicator of quality - as it may attract more "rag pickers or> > kabadiwalas -called in India}, here we want to attract or keep the> > interest of educated persons who sincerely looking for quality astro> > material.> >> > While having said this, we also open to discuss and debate and accept> > superior logics with humility so that the subject of astrology wins -> > NOT the individuals behind it.> >> > with regards,> >> > sreeram srinivas> >> > , Prathamesn Chawan> > upaoakcrest@ wrote:> >> > i am wondering "who knows who" in these hundered of forums on> > astrology ? Most of these forums are required by people to advertise> > themselves. You will see many people here having their own webpage> where> > they can predict your future by "what-not" methods.> >> > One question is always in my mind which is apart from the current> > topic..> >> > If astrology is really effective then why its not the MAIN part of> > people's life ?> >> > Jagdish> >>

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Dear Pandit Arjun,Namaskar.You are correct. Most people in not only China and Russia but in entire worldare achieving great things by believing in themselves and in their field of speciality. Astrology is also a great scientific field where our mental faculty to put to test, as I believe. India and the Sastras in India have been well developed in all fields long long ago, say thousands of years ago. They are still available in Sanskrit language texts which we have neglected by so many reasons like foreign rule etc. Learned people like you should come forward and probe the subjects scientifically to bring out the truth. Man's mind is to be turned inside our-own- selves when the Truth is revealed in various ways according to the speciality of subject that he is pondering over. Thats-how the great Rishis of India have been the forefathers of the

sciences like Astrology, Ayurveda, Atma-vidya (spirituality) etc.Let us hope some great brains will come out from these Astrology group.With regards,D.Ramakrishnan.panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote: dear friend let me give simple answers to your last query. most people in communist countries like china and russia believe only in themselves and dont believe in planets and attribute both success and failure equally to the proportion of their own efforts. no wonder they excel in all areas ranging from

sports to business. most people in developed countries spent decades of service in research, innovations and discoveries and they enjoy more than ninety percent of patents in the world. remember all these invented MATERIAL wonders which we are enjoying in our daily lives are all the gifts of these scientists and not descended from the planets. in our country india, many people (may be majority but not all)strive to attribute any and everything to god and planets and treat themselves as puppets with the strings in the hands of the planets. astrologers are the engineers or doctors who learn this art of adjusting the strings firstly by identifying which planet is holding which part of the native and then adjust, stop, reduce or enhance the planetary impacts by suggesting various remedies. when you have a physical problem and visit a doctor you dont go for simple reports and predictions, you also

go for medicines. similarly astrologers not only give readings but also prescribe various remedies ranging from chanting mantras, doing havans, fastings, poojas, abhishekams, pilgrimages and also wearing various stones, beads etc. my concluding observation is that vedic aka mythological aka divine aka spiritual astrology are all matters of faith and are practiced only by solicitation by those who have faith. hence any person who consults or visits an astrologer believes in these faiths and the astrologer speaks the astro logical language. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksharemedy.com , Prathamesn Chawan <upaoakcrest wrote: > > i am wondering "who knows who" in these hundered of forums on astrology ? Most of

these forums are required by people to advertise themselves. You will see many people here having their own webpage where they can predict your future by "what-not" methods. > > One question is always in my mind which is apart from the current topic.. > > If astrology is really effective then why its not the MAIN part of people's life ? > > Jagdish > > > > > > chandra_hari18 <chandra_hari18 wrote: > > Sreenadh did put my name too in that list. So I too may quit the group > but without any announcement. What if I leave a group that it needs an > announcement like a Minister resigning from the cabinet? > > Self given importance make people act like VIPs. What contributions do > we make to astrology, other than distortions? Many big names...?

Many so > called groups and so many giants stride across which are not worth a > single penny scientific contribution to Jyotihsastra. Simply fooling > people with astro-gimmicks. > > chandra hari > > , "Finn Wandahl" > <finn.wandahl@> wrote: > > > > Dear members, > > > > Needless to say, I agree 100% with Mr. Ramadas Rao. > > > > As a consequence of this I have decided to take a break from this > > group, and therefore I will not be available for debating. > > > > Best wishes, > > Finn Wandahl > > > > > > > > ,

HosabettuRamadas Rao > > ramadasrao@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh Ji, > > > Have you read Prashna Margam, 1st chapter about the qualities of a > > good Astrologer ? You think that you are the biggest Astrologer in > > this world.Dont write such aggressive words.I think this is not a good > > discussion forum for me and I am retiring from your discussion > > form.Please dont sen any invitation again. > > > H.R.Rao. > > > > > > > > > @: sreesog@: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 > > 12:40:51 +0000 Blind chart reading > > - Where is Rao ji and Goel ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > So many people are

making very good and bold attempts on the blind > > chart reading. Many enthusiastic and knowledgeable members like Finn > > ji, Renu ji, Raghavn ji, Srinivas ji, Ravi ji, Neelam Gupta ji, Durga > > ji, VIGHNESH ji, Pandit ji, Sasi Bhushan ji - has sincerely attempted > it. > > > But I don't see two of our most enthusiastic and aggressive members > > anywhere in this attempt. > > > * Goel ji & > > > * Ramdas Rao ji > > > They were/are very active in this group and as such I would expect > > a reading from them as well. Dear Rao ji and Goel ji please come > > forward and make your attempt. Once that too is over we will wind- up > > this exercise and the results will be announced. > > > Important: > > > ---------- > > > * If you are not ready to play the hero by making a

winning or > > losing reading about the same, please don't try to play police later > > when everything is over - such as suggesting it shouldn't be like > > that, it should be like that; or how could it be so when the rules are > > so and so etc. It is very easy to locate such tricky tactics. > > > * Note that, No Explanations or further discussions are allowed > > once the final results are revealed. > > > * No explanations from non-participants are required. Practical > > astrology is a game for the daring individuals who are bold and > > sincere enough to accept both success and failure. > > > Love and regards,Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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dear friend

 

there are no two opinions in saying that astronomy is a science and

not astrology. most astrologers are striving to explore, perceive

and present astrology as a science which is just not the case.

science is something which works on set parameters with mathematical

exactitude and applies everywhere to everyone. according to

astronomy moon is a satellite (not a planet) and the 27 stars are not

sigle stars. revati has 32 stars in it and satabhisham has 100 stars

in it. astrologically and mythologically speaking moon is a god and

these 27 taras (stars) are his wives. according to the puranas, moon

loves only one star rohini (where moon is exalted!) more than the

other 26 due to which act he was cursed of losing his strength and

upon praying to lord shiva, he blesses moon to lose strength for a

fortnight and gain it again the next fortnight which forms the waning

and waxing of the moon phases. when we attribute the stars, planets

to their lordships viz. hindu forms of gods and goddesses and the

various astrology scriptures including BHPS prescribe mollification

of these gods and goddesses who influence these planets to change

their impacts on human lives, you cannot term it a science under any

parameter.

 

take out the birth details of the two hundred of childrens who were

all shot dead in a siege in russia recently and submit them

individually to two hundred best astrologers in the world seeking

their future education, employment and marriage prospects; surely you

would not get even a single astrologer predicting that they would all

die in a terror strike at their tender age. same are the cases with

lakhs died in tsunami or thousands died in earthquake almost at

same. hence the applicability of astrological principles with

mathematical precision need no trials. when we mixed planetary

astrology with hindu mythology, it is purely mythological in nature

squarely based on the foundations of hindu faith and belief. this is

a subject of solicitation and only those having faith in this subject

approaches an astrologer and gets the answers according to this part

astronomical and part mythological subject.

 

ayurveda is a science and is a system of medicine recognised by the

government of india, as it works on fixed scientific principles.

 

atma jnan is something related to realising the self, simply put

knowing, realising and aligning with the god within. lord krishna in

gita says that for a realised person, vedas (all knowledgeful

scriptures) are useless since he knows the reality which is the god

within. an unrealised person looks for god elsewhere only to find

nowhere outside or find everywhere outside, whereas a realised person

finds the god within. read stories of any of the realised souls and

they dont do mollification of the planets or do daily poojas for the

gods.

 

singing glories of the yesteryuga sages is fine but as per

scriptures, all of us are their descendants and each one of us have

our lineage linked to a sage and hence you may find these sages

amongst us and not somewhere on the mountainpeaks or in the clouds.

simply put sages in those days were the learnt ones or most

knoweldgeful people to whom even kings used to go to learn. hence

any learnt or knoweldgeful person is like a sage.

 

knowledge is like light (enlightenment) which can dispel darkness

(ignorance) and may the visible sungod spreads his light and removes

the darkness of the world, as he does on a scientific principle on a

daily basis to all countries and all humans alike.

 

with best wishes and blessings

pandit arjun

www.rudraksharemedy.com

, r_vani ramakrishnan

<r_vani61 wrote:

>

> Dear Pandit Arjun,

> Namaskar.

> You are correct. Most people in not only China and Russia but in

entire world

> are achieving great things by believing in themselves and in

their field of speciality. Astrology is also a great scientific

field where our mental faculty to put to test, as I believe. India

and the Sastras in India have been well developed in all fields long

long ago, say thousands of years ago. They are still available in

Sanskrit language texts which we have neglected by so many reasons

like foreign rule etc. Learned people like you should come forward

and probe the subjects scientifically to bring out the truth. Man's

mind is to be turned inside our-own- selves when the Truth is

revealed in various ways according to the speciality of subject that

he is pondering over. Thats-how the great Rishis of India have been

the forefathers of the sciences like Astrology, Ayurveda, Atma-vidya

(spirituality) etc.

> Let us hope some great brains will come out from these Astrology

group.

> With regards,

> D.Ramakrishnan.

>

> panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004

wrote: dear friend

>

> let me give simple answers to your last query.

>

> most people in communist countries like china and russia believe

only

> in themselves and dont believe in planets and attribute both

success

> and failure equally to the proportion of their own efforts. no

> wonder they excel in all areas ranging from sports to business.

>

> most people in developed countries spent decades of service in

> research, innovations and discoveries and they enjoy more than

ninety

> percent of patents in the world. remember all these invented

> MATERIAL wonders which we are enjoying in our daily lives are all

the

> gifts of these scientists and not descended from the planets.

>

> in our country india, many people (may be majority but not all)

strive

> to attribute any and everything to god and planets and treat

> themselves as puppets with the strings in the hands of the

planets.

> astrologers are the engineers or doctors who learn this art of

> adjusting the strings firstly by identifying which planet is

holding

> which part of the native and then adjust, stop, reduce or enhance

the

> planetary impacts by suggesting various remedies. when you have a

> physical problem and visit a doctor you dont go for simple reports

> and predictions, you also go for medicines. similarly astrologers

> not only give readings but also prescribe various remedies ranging

> from chanting mantras, doing havans, fastings, poojas,

abhishekams,

> pilgrimages and also wearing various stones, beads etc.

>

> my concluding observation is that vedic aka mythological aka

divine

> aka spiritual astrology are all matters of faith and are practiced

> only by solicitation by those who have faith. hence any person

who

> consults or visits an astrologer believes in these faiths and the

> astrologer speaks the astro logical language.

>

> with best wishes and blessings

> pandit arjun

> www.rudraksharemedy.com

>

> , Prathamesn Chawan

> <upaoakcrest@> wrote:

> >

> > i am wondering " who knows who " in these hundered of forums

on

> astrology ? Most of these forums are required by people to

advertise

> themselves. You will see many people here having their own webpage

> where they can predict your future by " what-not " methods.

> >

> > One question is always in my mind which is apart from the

current

> topic..

> >

> > If astrology is really effective then why its not the MAIN

part

> of people's life ?

> >

> > Jagdish

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > chandra_hari18 <chandra_hari18@> wrote:

> >

> > Sreenadh did put my name too in that list. So I too may quit the

> group

> > but without any announcement. What if I leave a group that it

needs

> an

> > announcement like a Minister resigning from the cabinet?

> >

> > Self given importance make people act like VIPs. What

contributions

> do

> > we make to astrology, other than distortions? Many big names...?

> Many so

> > called groups and so many giants stride across which are not

worth a

> > single penny scientific contribution to Jyotihsastra. Simply

fooling

> > people with astro-gimmicks.

> >

> > chandra hari

> >

> > , " Finn Wandahl "

> > <finn.wandahl@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear members,

> > >

> > > Needless to say, I agree 100% with Mr. Ramadas Rao.

> > >

> > > As a consequence of this I have decided to take a break from

this

> > > group, and therefore I will not be available for debating.

> > >

> > > Best wishes,

> > > Finn Wandahl

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ,

HosabettuRamadas

> Rao

> > > ramadasrao@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sreenadh Ji,

> > > > Have you read Prashna Margam, 1st chapter about the

qualities

> of a

> > > good Astrologer ? You think that you are the biggest

Astrologer in

> > > this world.Dont write such aggressive words.I think this is

not a

> good

> > > discussion forum for me and I am retiring from your discussion

> > > form.Please dont sen any invitation again.

> > > > H.R.Rao.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > @: sreesog@: Fri, 23 Nov 2007

> > > 12:40:51 +0000 Blind chart

> reading

> > > - Where is Rao ji and Goel ji

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear All,

> > > > So many people are making very good and bold attempts on the

> blind

> > > chart reading. Many enthusiastic and knowledgeable members

like

> Finn

> > > ji, Renu ji, Raghavn ji, Srinivas ji, Ravi ji, Neelam Gupta

ji,

> Durga

> > > ji, VIGHNESH ji, Pandit ji, Sasi Bhushan ji - has sincerely

> attempted

> > it.

> > > > But I don't see two of our most enthusiastic and aggressive

> members

> > > anywhere in this attempt.

> > > > * Goel ji &

> > > > * Ramdas Rao ji

> > > > They were/are very active in this group and as such I would

> expect

> > > a reading from them as well. Dear Rao ji and Goel ji please

come

> > > forward and make your attempt. Once that too is over we will

wind-

> up

> > > this exercise and the results will be announced.

> > > > Important:

> > > > ----------

> > > > * If you are not ready to play the hero by making a winning

or

> > > losing reading about the same, please don't try to play police

> later

> > > when everything is over - such as suggesting it shouldn't be

like

> > > that, it should be like that; or how could it be so when the

> rules are

> > > so and so etc. It is very easy to locate such tricky

tactics.

> > > > * Note that, No Explanations or further discussions are

allowed

> > > once the final results are revealed.

> > > > * No explanations from non-participants are required.

Practical

> > > astrology is a game for the daring individuals who are bold and

> > > sincere enough to accept both success and failure.

> > > > Love and regards,Sreenadh

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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Dear pt.arjun ji .

Namaskaram .

 

I feel There is some factual errors in ur mail .

One is moons exaltation degree is 3 degrees ,so its in kartika (or kritika 4th pada ) in taurus sign ,so moon is not exalted in rohini .Rohini is moons nakshatra and its exaltation and moolatrikona sign ,this may be the reason for the alligary in puranas .

 

2nd one is abt nakshatras ,rishis never said Nakshatras are one star or some stars ,its an area in zodiac which covers 13 degree 20 minits .They used nakshatra mandala .

Again ur question abt mass killings or tsunami deaths ,there is collective destiny ,a countrys destiny and may be even every rock has his own destiny as karma is very complex .

 

But intead of challenging to predict mass deaths ,did any one realy done resrch on it and established that a full longitivity chart has produced a sudden and untimely death .

U know what rishis called yogayus as its from ur chart and may be certain yogas may indicates good ayus ( longitivity ) ,but if u abuse ur body ,then what will happen ?? U may die young also .

 

And rishis told to consider desa ,kaala,patra,paristithi ,

for example --some born in less privilaged lower class can become even president or supreme court judge ,were as it was not the case atleast 100 years back .

 

So all this taking into consideration is not showing the lack of base of astrology .

 

And u forget when u praised ayurveda ,it has got its own basics and it differs from modern medicine .Ayurveda does not advocate this bacteria theorey and says strong body is enough to ward off all diseases .So is applicable to all sastras ,every thing has its own basics .otherwise tru out world may be there is 35 or more medicinal system is there and each one has its own basics .

 

Again astronomy to great extent was part of astrology and astrology was never a part of astronomy .

U think in india old astrologers and astrology community were studying and observing planets and different golamandirams (ancient observatories ) in every state is a good and living proof of it .

 

Every sastra has got its own domain ,even strenghts and weaknessess,

Otherwise Why modern scince cannot produce a non corrossive iron pillar like that in delhi ,were as the primitiv technology has done it .

 

so we must look out for missing link .

And this group is atleast trying to search the missing links and long lost principles which r being lost or hidden .And again i must say if u hav no problem of ego and fear of loosing then no problem in learning that way .jyothisa is nothing but science of phalas

 

But i never said any one will be correct always ,But i am sure we will go in right direction and will learn more from our mistakes

I am not worried abt how sani will look like and its other physical properties sceintificaly .

 

But i am every day witness of it in prashna or chart reading or even in his hora .

whether its jew or xian or arab ,i find it tru my interactions with many ppl in kerala as many used visit here .they also simply experincing their karma which is good or bad .

 

And ppl saying those who dont blv astro they are coming up and they hav no problems is like ppl those who say i dont blv in electricity as my religion is against it or my master says so or our ideology is against it .but we should not b fatalists

astrology is finaly a science of the results .nothing more and nothing less .

 

i hope and think u will take this post in a serious and constructiv way .And we r not arguing to win our arguments .

 

with respects and regrds vijaya raghavan guruvayur.

 

 

 

, "panditarjun2004" <panditarjun2004 wrote:>> dear friend> > there are no two opinions in saying that astronomy is a science and > not astrology. most astrologers are striving to explore, perceive > and present astrology as a science which is just not the case. > science is something which works on set parameters with mathematical > exactitude and applies everywhere to everyone. according to > astronomy moon is a satellite (not a planet) and the 27 stars are not > sigle stars. revati has 32 stars in it and satabhisham has 100 stars > in it. astrologically and mythologically speaking moon is a god and > these 27 taras (stars) are his wives. according to the puranas, moon > loves only one star rohini (where moon is exalted!) more than the > other 26 due to which act he was cursed of losing his strength and > upon praying to lord shiva, he blesses moon to lose strength for a > fortnight and gain it again the next fortnight which forms the waning > and waxing of the moon phases. when we attribute the stars, planets > to their lordships viz. hindu forms of gods and goddesses and the > various astrology scriptures including BHPS prescribe mollification > of these gods and goddesses who influence these planets to change > their impacts on human lives, you cannot term it a science under any > parameter.> > take out the birth details of the two hundred of childrens who were > all shot dead in a siege in russia recently and submit them > individually to two hundred best astrologers in the world seeking > their future education, employment and marriage prospects; surely you > would not get even a single astrologer predicting that they would all > die in a terror strike at their tender age. same are the cases with > lakhs died in tsunami or thousands died in earthquake almost at > same. hence the applicability of astrological principles with > mathematical precision need no trials. when we mixed planetary > astrology with hindu mythology, it is purely mythological in nature > squarely based on the foundations of hindu faith and belief. this is > a subject of solicitation and only those having faith in this subject > approaches an astrologer and gets the answers according to this part > astronomical and part mythological subject.> > ayurveda is a science and is a system of medicine recognised by the > government of india, as it works on fixed scientific principles.> > atma jnan is something related to realising the self, simply put > knowing, realising and aligning with the god within. lord krishna in > gita says that for a realised person, vedas (all knowledgeful > scriptures) are useless since he knows the reality which is the god > within. an unrealised person looks for god elsewhere only to find > nowhere outside or find everywhere outside, whereas a realised person > finds the god within. read stories of any of the realised souls and > they dont do mollification of the planets or do daily poojas for the > gods.> > singing glories of the yesteryuga sages is fine but as per > scriptures, all of us are their descendants and each one of us have > our lineage linked to a sage and hence you may find these sages > amongst us and not somewhere on the mountainpeaks or in the clouds. > simply put sages in those days were the learnt ones or most > knoweldgeful people to whom even kings used to go to learn. hence > any learnt or knoweldgeful person is like a sage.> > knowledge is like light (enlightenment) which can dispel darkness > (ignorance) and may the visible sungod spreads his light and removes > the darkness of the world, as he does on a scientific principle on a > daily basis to all countries and all humans alike.> > with best wishes and blessings> pandit arjun> www.rudraksharemedy.com> , r_vani ramakrishnan > r_vani61@ wrote:> >> > Dear Pandit Arjun,> > Namaskar.> > You are correct. Most people in not only China and Russia but in > entire world> > are achieving great things by believing in themselves and in > their field of speciality. Astrology is also a great scientific > field where our mental faculty to put to test, as I believe. India > and the Sastras in India have been well developed in all fields long > long ago, say thousands of years ago. They are still available in > Sanskrit language texts which we have neglected by so many reasons > like foreign rule etc. Learned people like you should come forward > and probe the subjects scientifically to bring out the truth. Man's > mind is to be turned inside our-own- selves when the Truth is > revealed in various ways according to the speciality of subject that > he is pondering over. Thats-how the great Rishis of India have been > the forefathers of the sciences like Astrology, Ayurveda, Atma-vidya > (spirituality) etc.> > Let us hope some great brains will come out from these Astrology > group.> > With regards,> > D.Ramakrishnan.> > > > panditarjun2004 panditarjun2004@ > wrote: dear friend> > > > let me give simple answers to your last query.> > > > most people in communist countries like china and russia believe > only > > in themselves and dont believe in planets and attribute both > success > > and failure equally to the proportion of their own efforts. no > > wonder they excel in all areas ranging from sports to business.> > > > most people in developed countries spent decades of service in > > research, innovations and discoveries and they enjoy more than > ninety > > percent of patents in the world. remember all these invented > > MATERIAL wonders which we are enjoying in our daily lives are all > the > > gifts of these scientists and not descended from the planets.> > > > in our country india, many people (may be majority but not all)> strive > > to attribute any and everything to god and planets and treat > > themselves as puppets with the strings in the hands of the > planets. > > astrologers are the engineers or doctors who learn this art of > > adjusting the strings firstly by identifying which planet is > holding > > which part of the native and then adjust, stop, reduce or enhance > the > > planetary impacts by suggesting various remedies. when you have a > > physical problem and visit a doctor you dont go for simple reports > > and predictions, you also go for medicines. similarly astrologers > > not only give readings but also prescribe various remedies ranging > > from chanting mantras, doing havans, fastings, poojas, > abhishekams, > > pilgrimages and also wearing various stones, beads etc.> > > > my concluding observation is that vedic aka mythological aka > divine > > aka spiritual astrology are all matters of faith and are practiced > > only by solicitation by those who have faith. hence any person > who > > consults or visits an astrologer believes in these faiths and the > > astrologer speaks the astro logical language.> > > > with best wishes and blessings> > pandit arjun> > www.rudraksharemedy.com> > > > , Prathamesn Chawan > > <upaoakcrest@> wrote:> > >> > > i am wondering "who knows who" in these hundered of forums > on > > astrology ? Most of these forums are required by people to > advertise > > themselves. You will see many people here having their own webpage > > where they can predict your future by "what-not" methods.> > > > > > One question is always in my mind which is apart from the > current > > topic..> > > > > > If astrology is really effective then why its not the MAIN > part > > of people's life ?> > > > > > Jagdish> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chandra_hari18 <chandra_hari18@> wrote:> > > > > > Sreenadh did put my name too in that list. So I too may quit the > > group> > > but without any announcement. What if I leave a group that it > needs > > an> > > announcement like a Minister resigning from the cabinet?> > > > > > Self given importance make people act like VIPs. What > contributions > > do> > > we make to astrology, other than distortions? Many big names...? > > Many so> > > called groups and so many giants stride across which are not > worth a> > > single penny scientific contribution to Jyotihsastra. Simply > fooling> > > people with astro-gimmicks.> > > > > > chandra hari> > > > > > , "Finn Wandahl"> > > <finn.wandahl@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear members,> > > >> > > > Needless to say, I agree 100% with Mr. Ramadas Rao.> > > >> > > > As a consequence of this I have decided to take a break from > this> > > > group, and therefore I will not be available for debating.> > > >> > > > Best wishes,> > > > Finn Wandahl> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > , > HosabettuRamadas > > Rao> > > > ramadasrao@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sreenadh Ji,> > > > > Have you read Prashna Margam, 1st chapter about the > qualities > > of a> > > > good Astrologer ? You think that you are the biggest > Astrologer in> > > > this world.Dont write such aggressive words.I think this is > not a > > good> > > > discussion forum for me and I am retiring from your discussion> > > > form.Please dont sen any invitation again.> > > > > H.R.Rao.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > @: sreesog@: Fri, 23 Nov 2007> > > > 12:40:51 +0000 Blind chart > > reading> > > > - Where is Rao ji and Goel ji> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear All,> > > > > So many people are making very good and bold attempts on the > > blind> > > > chart reading. Many enthusiastic and knowledgeable members > like > > Finn> > > > ji, Renu ji, Raghavn ji, Srinivas ji, Ravi ji, Neelam Gupta > ji, > > Durga> > > > ji, VIGHNESH ji, Pandit ji, Sasi Bhushan ji - has sincerely > > attempted> > > it.> > > > > But I don't see two of our most enthusiastic and aggressive > > members> > > > anywhere in this attempt.> > > > > * Goel ji & > > > > > * Ramdas Rao ji> > > > > They were/are very active in this group and as such I would > > expect> > > > a reading from them as well. Dear Rao ji and Goel ji please > come> > > > forward and make your attempt. Once that too is over we will > wind-> > up> > > > this exercise and the results will be announced.> > > > > Important:> > > > > ----------> > > > > * If you are not ready to play the hero by making a winning > or> > > > losing reading about the same, please don't try to play police > > later> > > > when everything is over - such as suggesting it shouldn't be > like> > > > that, it should be like that; or how could it be so when the > > rules are> > > > so and so etc. It is very easy to locate such tricky > tactics. > > > > > * Note that, No Explanations or further discussions are > allowed> > > > once the final results are revealed.> > > > > * No explanations from non-participants are required. > Practical> > > > astrology is a game for the daring individuals who are bold and> > > > sincere enough to accept both success and failure.> > > > > Love and regards,Sreenadh> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ________> > > > > Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with > Windows> > > > Live Spaces. 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I feel more sorry if someone proves that astrology is 100% true. I havent got the answer of this question so far. If astrology is 100% true then an able astrologer can predict everything about your future. If that happens then there is nothing good or bad or evil. A rapist is as good as a the victim. Rapist was supposed to rape according to planetary conditions in his chart and victim was supposed to be victim according to her chart. It means Harshad Mehta, Daud-Abrahim, Chotta Shakil and all the people from underworld or indulge in illegal activities are not bad. They are acting as they are destined. A husband who beats his wife daily is not a bad person. Wife was destined to suffer and husband was supposed to be the aggresive and voilent ? Can anyone tell me how much is in human hand and how much is in the hand of destiny ? After reading many books of K. N. Rao, i feel

that its all destiny. Thanks Jagdishpanditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote: dear friendthere are no two opinions in saying that astronomy is a science and not astrology. most astrologers are striving to explore, perceive and present astrology as a science which is just not the case. science is something which works on set parameters with mathematical exactitude and applies everywhere to everyone. according to astronomy moon is

a satellite (not a planet) and the 27 stars are not sigle stars. revati has 32 stars in it and satabhisham has 100 stars in it. astrologically and mythologically speaking moon is a god and these 27 taras (stars) are his wives. according to the puranas, moon loves only one star rohini (where moon is exalted!) more than the other 26 due to which act he was cursed of losing his strength and upon praying to lord shiva, he blesses moon to lose strength for a fortnight and gain it again the next fortnight which forms the waning and waxing of the moon phases. when we attribute the stars, planets to their lordships viz. hindu forms of gods and goddesses and the various astrology scriptures including BHPS prescribe mollification of these gods and goddesses who influence these planets to change their impacts on human lives, you cannot term it a science under any parameter.take out the birth details of the two hundred of

childrens who were all shot dead in a siege in russia recently and submit them individually to two hundred best astrologers in the world seeking their future education, employment and marriage prospects; surely you would not get even a single astrologer predicting that they would all die in a terror strike at their tender age. same are the cases with lakhs died in tsunami or thousands died in earthquake almost at same. hence the applicability of astrological principles with mathematical precision need no trials. when we mixed planetary astrology with hindu mythology, it is purely mythological in nature squarely based on the foundations of hindu faith and belief. this is a subject of solicitation and only those having faith in this subject approaches an astrologer and gets the answers according to this part astronomical and part mythological subject.ayurveda is a science and is a system of medicine recognised by

the government of india, as it works on fixed scientific principles.atma jnan is something related to realising the self, simply put knowing, realising and aligning with the god within. lord krishna in gita says that for a realised person, vedas (all knowledgeful scriptures) are useless since he knows the reality which is the god within. an unrealised person looks for god elsewhere only to find nowhere outside or find everywhere outside, whereas a realised person finds the god within. read stories of any of the realised souls and they dont do mollification of the planets or do daily poojas for the gods.singing glories of the yesteryuga sages is fine but as per scriptures, all of us are their descendants and each one of us have our lineage linked to a sage and hence you may find these sages amongst us and not somewhere on the mountainpeaks or in the clouds. simply put sages in those days were the learnt

ones or most knoweldgeful people to whom even kings used to go to learn. hence any learnt or knoweldgeful person is like a sage.knowledge is like light (enlightenment) which can dispel darkness (ignorance) and may the visible sungod spreads his light and removes the darkness of the world, as he does on a scientific principle on a daily basis to all countries and all humans alike.with best wishes and blessingspandit arjunwww.rudraksharemedy.com , r_vani ramakrishnan <r_vani61 wrote:>> Dear Pandit Arjun,> Namaskar.> You are correct. Most people in not only China and Russia but in entire world> are achieving great things by believing in themselves and in their field of speciality. Astrology is also a great scientific field where our

mental faculty to put to test, as I believe. India and the Sastras in India have been well developed in all fields long long ago, say thousands of years ago. They are still available in Sanskrit language texts which we have neglected by so many reasons like foreign rule etc. Learned people like you should come forward and probe the subjects scientifically to bring out the truth. Man's mind is to be turned inside our-own- selves when the Truth is revealed in various ways according to the speciality of subject that he is pondering over. Thats-how the great Rishis of India have been the forefathers of the sciences like Astrology, Ayurveda, Atma-vidya (spirituality) etc.> Let us hope some great brains will come out from these Astrology group.> With regards,> D.Ramakrishnan.> > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote: dear friend> > let me give simple answers to your

last query.> > most people in communist countries like china and russia believe only > in themselves and dont believe in planets and attribute both success > and failure equally to the proportion of their own efforts. no > wonder they excel in all areas ranging from sports to business.> > most people in developed countries spent decades of service in > research, innovations and discoveries and they enjoy more than ninety > percent of patents in the world. remember all these invented > MATERIAL wonders which we are enjoying in our daily lives are all the > gifts of these scientists and not descended from the planets.> > in our country india, many people (may be majority but not all)strive > to attribute any and everything to god and planets and treat > themselves as puppets with the strings in the hands of the planets. > astrologers are the

engineers or doctors who learn this art of > adjusting the strings firstly by identifying which planet is holding > which part of the native and then adjust, stop, reduce or enhance the > planetary impacts by suggesting various remedies. when you have a > physical problem and visit a doctor you dont go for simple reports > and predictions, you also go for medicines. similarly astrologers > not only give readings but also prescribe various remedies ranging > from chanting mantras, doing havans, fastings, poojas, abhishekams, > pilgrimages and also wearing various stones, beads etc.> > my concluding observation is that vedic aka mythological aka divine > aka spiritual astrology are all matters of faith and are practiced > only by solicitation by those who have faith. hence any person who > consults or visits an astrologer believes in these faiths and the >

astrologer speaks the astro logical language.> > with best wishes and blessings> pandit arjun> www.rudraksharemedy.com> > , Prathamesn Chawan > <upaoakcrest@> wrote:> >> > i am wondering "who knows who" in these hundered of forums on > astrology ? Most of these forums are required by people to advertise > themselves. You will see many people here having their own webpage > where they can predict your future by "what-not" methods.> > > > One question is always in my mind which is apart from the current > topic..> > > > If astrology is really effective then why its not the MAIN part > of people's life ?> > > > Jagdish> > > > >

> > > > > > > chandra_hari18 <chandra_hari18@> wrote:> > > > Sreenadh did put my name too in that list. So I too may quit the > group> > but without any announcement. What if I leave a group that it needs > an> > announcement like a Minister resigning from the cabinet?> > > > Self given importance make people act like VIPs. What contributions > do> > we make to astrology, other than distortions? Many big names...? > Many so> > called groups and so many giants stride across which are not worth a> > single penny scientific contribution to Jyotihsastra. Simply fooling> > people with astro-gimmicks.> > > > chandra hari> > > > ,

"Finn Wandahl"> > <finn.wandahl@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear members,> > >> > > Needless to say, I agree 100% with Mr. Ramadas Rao.> > >> > > As a consequence of this I have decided to take a break from this> > > group, and therefore I will not be available for debating.> > >> > > Best wishes,> > > Finn Wandahl> > >> > >> > >> > > , HosabettuRamadas > Rao> > > ramadasrao@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Sreenadh Ji,> > > > Have you read Prashna Margam, 1st chapter about the qualities > of a> > > good Astrologer ? You think that you are the

biggest Astrologer in> > > this world.Dont write such aggressive words.I think this is not a > good> > > discussion forum for me and I am retiring from your discussion> > > form.Please dont sen any invitation again.> > > > H.R.Rao.> > > >> > > >> > > > @: sreesog@: Fri, 23 Nov 2007> > > 12:40:51 +0000 Blind chart > reading> > > - Where is Rao ji and Goel ji> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear All,> > > > So many people are making very good and bold attempts on the > blind> > > chart reading. Many enthusiastic and knowledgeable members like > Finn> > > ji, Renu ji, Raghavn ji, Srinivas

ji, Ravi ji, Neelam Gupta ji, > Durga> > > ji, VIGHNESH ji, Pandit ji, Sasi Bhushan ji - has sincerely > attempted> > it.> > > > But I don't see two of our most enthusiastic and aggressive > members> > > anywhere in this attempt.> > > > * Goel ji & > > > > * Ramdas Rao ji> > > > They were/are very active in this group and as such I would > expect> > > a reading from them as well. Dear Rao ji and Goel ji please come> > > forward and make your attempt. Once that too is over we will wind-> up> > > this exercise and the results will be announced.> > > > Important:> > > > ----------> > > > * If you are not ready to play the hero by making a winning or> > > losing reading about the same, please don't try to play police >

later> > > when everything is over - such as suggesting it shouldn't be like> > > that, it should be like that; or how could it be so when the > rules are> > > so and so etc. It is very easy to locate such tricky tactics. > > > > * Note that, No Explanations or further discussions are allowed> > > once the final results are revealed.> > > > * No explanations from non-participants are required. Practical> > > astrology is a game for the daring individuals who are bold and> > > sincere enough to accept both success and failure.> > > > Love and regards,Sreenadh> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >

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dear friend

 

there is nothing more to add from my side than what was written in my

three earlier mails. what prompted me to write this reality check is

the euphoria by some members over one person claiming to have hit the

bulls eye with surgical precision in predicting while all those who

answered wrongly need to go back to their schools and those who did

not participate are cowards and did not go to any school at all.

 

now members are trying to convince that mass reading of charts in

mass killings keep changing from individual charts and the present

desa, kala, vartamana paristitis do things other than what is seen

from the basic astro principles. these days some astrologers are

even reading corporate charts based on their date of incorporation as

date of birth. recently some famous astrologers quipped that there

is a curse by goddess parvati that astrologer predictions will not

become correct.

 

at least i cannot take shelter in such ways and call the truth a

truth and a failure a failure. my last word on this subject is that

i cannot predict any human chart with surgical precision merely based

on astrology containing various conflicting and overriding principles

and with various exceptions and a curse of goddess parvati from the

top. let the champions of astrology who claim success in accuracy

answer your future mails.

 

with best wishes and blessings

pandit arjun

www.rudraksharemedy.com

 

, Prathamesn Chawan

<upaoakcrest wrote:

>

> I feel more sorry if someone proves that astrology is 100% true. I

havent got the answer of this question so far. If astrology is 100%

true then an able astrologer can predict everything about your

future. If that happens then there is nothing good or bad or evil.

>

> A rapist is as good as a the victim. Rapist was supposed to rape

according to planetary conditions in his chart and victim was

supposed to be victim according to her chart. It means Harshad

Mehta, Daud-Abrahim, Chotta Shakil and all the people from underworld

or indulge in illegal activities are not bad. They are acting as they

are destined.

>

> A husband who beats his wife daily is not a bad person. Wife was

destined to suffer and husband was supposed to be the aggresive and

voilent ?

>

> Can anyone tell me how much is in human hand and how much is in

the hand of destiny ? After reading many books of K. N. Rao, i feel

that its all destiny.

>

>

> Thanks

>

> Jagdish

>

> panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote:

> dear friend

>

> there are no two opinions in saying that astronomy is a science and

> not astrology. most astrologers are striving to explore, perceive

> and present astrology as a science which is just not the case.

> science is something which works on set parameters with

mathematical

> exactitude and applies everywhere to everyone. according to

> astronomy moon is a satellite (not a planet) and the 27 stars are

not

> sigle stars. revati has 32 stars in it and satabhisham has 100

stars

> in it. astrologically and mythologically speaking moon is a god and

> these 27 taras (stars) are his wives. according to the puranas,

moon

> loves only one star rohini (where moon is exalted!) more than the

> other 26 due to which act he was cursed of losing his strength and

> upon praying to lord shiva, he blesses moon to lose strength for a

> fortnight and gain it again the next fortnight which forms the

waning

> and waxing of the moon phases. when we attribute the stars, planets

> to their lordships viz. hindu forms of gods and goddesses and the

> various astrology scriptures including BHPS prescribe mollification

> of these gods and goddesses who influence these planets to change

> their impacts on human lives, you cannot term it a science under

any

> parameter.

>

> take out the birth details of the two hundred of childrens who were

> all shot dead in a siege in russia recently and submit them

> individually to two hundred best astrologers in the world seeking

> their future education, employment and marriage prospects; surely

you

> would not get even a single astrologer predicting that they would

all

> die in a terror strike at their tender age. same are the cases with

> lakhs died in tsunami or thousands died in earthquake almost at

> same. hence the applicability of astrological principles with

> mathematical precision need no trials. when we mixed planetary

> astrology with hindu mythology, it is purely mythological in nature

> squarely based on the foundations of hindu faith and belief. this

is

> a subject of solicitation and only those having faith in this

subject

> approaches an astrologer and gets the answers according to this

part

> astronomical and part mythological subject.

>

> ayurveda is a science and is a system of medicine recognised by the

> government of india, as it works on fixed scientific principles.

>

> atma jnan is something related to realising the self, simply put

> knowing, realising and aligning with the god within. lord krishna

in

> gita says that for a realised person, vedas (all knowledgeful

> scriptures) are useless since he knows the reality which is the god

> within. an unrealised person looks for god elsewhere only to find

> nowhere outside or find everywhere outside, whereas a realised

person

> finds the god within. read stories of any of the realised souls and

> they dont do mollification of the planets or do daily poojas for

the

> gods.

>

> singing glories of the yesteryuga sages is fine but as per

> scriptures, all of us are their descendants and each one of us have

> our lineage linked to a sage and hence you may find these sages

> amongst us and not somewhere on the mountainpeaks or in the clouds.

> simply put sages in those days were the learnt ones or most

> knoweldgeful people to whom even kings used to go to learn. hence

> any learnt or knoweldgeful person is like a sage.

>

> knowledge is like light (enlightenment) which can dispel darkness

> (ignorance) and may the visible sungod spreads his light and

removes

> the darkness of the world, as he does on a scientific principle on

a

> daily basis to all countries and all humans alike.

>

> with best wishes and blessings

> pandit arjun

> www.rudraksharemedy.com

> , r_vani

ramakrishnan

> <r_vani61@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Pandit Arjun,

> > Namaskar.

> > You are correct. Most people in not only China and Russia but in

> entire world

> > are achieving great things by believing in themselves and in

> their field of speciality. Astrology is also a great scientific

> field where our mental faculty to put to test, as I believe. India

> and the Sastras in India have been well developed in all fields

long

> long ago, say thousands of years ago. They are still available in

> Sanskrit language texts which we have neglected by so many reasons

> like foreign rule etc. Learned people like you should come forward

> and probe the subjects scientifically to bring out the truth. Man's

> mind is to be turned inside our-own- selves when the Truth is

> revealed in various ways according to the speciality of subject

that

> he is pondering over. Thats-how the great Rishis of India have been

> the forefathers of the sciences like Astrology, Ayurveda, Atma-

vidya

> (spirituality) etc.

> > Let us hope some great brains will come out from these Astrology

> group.

> > With regards,

> > D.Ramakrishnan.

> >

> > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@>

> wrote: dear friend

> >

> > let me give simple answers to your last query.

> >

> > most people in communist countries like china and russia believe

> only

> > in themselves and dont believe in planets and attribute both

> success

> > and failure equally to the proportion of their own efforts. no

> > wonder they excel in all areas ranging from sports to business.

> >

> > most people in developed countries spent decades of service in

> > research, innovations and discoveries and they enjoy more than

> ninety

> > percent of patents in the world. remember all these invented

> > MATERIAL wonders which we are enjoying in our daily lives are all

> the

> > gifts of these scientists and not descended from the planets.

> >

> > in our country india, many people (may be majority but not all)

> strive

> > to attribute any and everything to god and planets and treat

> > themselves as puppets with the strings in the hands of the

> planets.

> > astrologers are the engineers or doctors who learn this art of

> > adjusting the strings firstly by identifying which planet is

> holding

> > which part of the native and then adjust, stop, reduce or enhance

> the

> > planetary impacts by suggesting various remedies. when you have a

> > physical problem and visit a doctor you dont go for simple

reports

> > and predictions, you also go for medicines. similarly astrologers

> > not only give readings but also prescribe various remedies

ranging

> > from chanting mantras, doing havans, fastings, poojas,

> abhishekams,

> > pilgrimages and also wearing various stones, beads etc.

> >

> > my concluding observation is that vedic aka mythological aka

> divine

> > aka spiritual astrology are all matters of faith and are

practiced

> > only by solicitation by those who have faith. hence any person

> who

> > consults or visits an astrologer believes in these faiths and the

> > astrologer speaks the astro logical language.

> >

> > with best wishes and blessings

> > pandit arjun

> > www.rudraksharemedy.com

> >

> > , Prathamesn

Chawan

> > <upaoakcrest@> wrote:

> > >

> > > i am wondering " who knows who " in these hundered of

forums

> on

> > astrology ? Most of these forums are required by people to

> advertise

> > themselves. You will see many people here having their own

webpage

> > where they can predict your future by " what-not " methods.

> > >

> > > One question is always in my mind which is apart from the

> current

> > topic..

> > >

> > > If astrology is really effective then why its not the MAIN

> part

> > of people's life ?

> > >

> > > Jagdish

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > chandra_hari18 <chandra_hari18@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Sreenadh did put my name too in that list. So I too may quit

the

> > group

> > > but without any announcement. What if I leave a group that it

> needs

> > an

> > > announcement like a Minister resigning from the cabinet?

> > >

> > > Self given importance make people act like VIPs. What

> contributions

> > do

> > > we make to astrology, other than distortions? Many big

names...?

> > Many so

> > > called groups and so many giants stride across which are not

> worth a

> > > single penny scientific contribution to Jyotihsastra. Simply

> fooling

> > > people with astro-gimmicks.

> > >

> > > chandra hari

> > >

> > > , " Finn Wandahl "

> > > <finn.wandahl@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear members,

> > > >

> > > > Needless to say, I agree 100% with Mr. Ramadas Rao.

> > > >

> > > > As a consequence of this I have decided to take a break from

> this

> > > > group, and therefore I will not be available for debating.

> > > >

> > > > Best wishes,

> > > > Finn Wandahl

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ,

> HosabettuRamadas

> > Rao

> > > > ramadasrao@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sreenadh Ji,

> > > > > Have you read Prashna Margam, 1st chapter about the

> qualities

> > of a

> > > > good Astrologer ? You think that you are the biggest

> Astrologer in

> > > > this world.Dont write such aggressive words.I think this is

> not a

> > good

> > > > discussion forum for me and I am retiring from your discussion

> > > > form.Please dont sen any invitation again.

> > > > > H.R.Rao.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > @: sreesog@: Fri, 23 Nov 2007

> > > > 12:40:51 +0000 Blind chart

> > reading

> > > > - Where is Rao ji and Goel ji

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > So many people are making very good and bold attempts on

the

> > blind

> > > > chart reading. Many enthusiastic and knowledgeable members

> like

> > Finn

> > > > ji, Renu ji, Raghavn ji, Srinivas ji, Ravi ji, Neelam Gupta

> ji,

> > Durga

> > > > ji, VIGHNESH ji, Pandit ji, Sasi Bhushan ji - has sincerely

> > attempted

> > > it.

> > > > > But I don't see two of our most enthusiastic and aggressive

> > members

> > > > anywhere in this attempt.

> > > > > * Goel ji &

> > > > > * Ramdas Rao ji

> > > > > They were/are very active in this group and as such I would

> > expect

> > > > a reading from them as well. Dear Rao ji and Goel ji please

> come

> > > > forward and make your attempt. Once that too is over we will

> wind-

> > up

> > > > this exercise and the results will be announced.

> > > > > Important:

> > > > > ----------

> > > > > * If you are not ready to play the hero by making a winning

> or

> > > > losing reading about the same, please don't try to play

police

> > later

> > > > when everything is over - such as suggesting it shouldn't be

> like

> > > > that, it should be like that; or how could it be so when the

> > rules are

> > > > so and so etc. It is very easy to locate such tricky

> tactics.

> > > > > * Note that, No Explanations or further discussions are

> allowed

> > > > once the final results are revealed.

> > > > > * No explanations from non-participants are required.

> Practical

> > > > astrology is a game for the daring individuals who are bold

and

> > > > sincere enough to accept both success and failure.

> > > > > Love and regards,Sreenadh

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ________

> > > > > Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with

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> > > >

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> > >

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> > >

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Dear Jagadish, No doubt destine (or Karma) plays an important part in our lives. But, we should not forget that we have a certain degree of freedom within the bounds of destiny. For example, imagine that the life path of an individual is like tunnel with a variable diameter along the length. The height of the tunnel at any given point in time indicates the freedom that an individual has at that point in time. The floor and roof of the tunnel are the bounds determined by destiny. Now, it is the individual's choice (free will, if you want to call it that way) to either crawl on the floor or fly near the roof to continue the journey of life. And the floor of the tunnel need not necessarily be horizonal. It could be inclined upwards (indicating rise in status) or declining (indicating fall in status). And, the inclination need not be a smooth one. The diameter of the tunnel

sometimes could be so small as to just to squeeze through (a must constraint based on dridha karma) or the diameter could be as big as reaching the sky. Hence, it is always good to do our best given the situation. Who knows exactly where the roof is? Jyotish, to some extent, provides light to understand the cross section of this tunnel in ones life. Regards, Krishna Prathamesn Chawan <upaoakcrest wrote: I feel more sorry if someone

proves that astrology is 100% true. I havent got the answer of this question so far. If astrology is 100% true then an able astrologer can predict everything about your future. If that happens then there is nothing good or bad or evil. A rapist is as good as a the victim. Rapist was supposed to rape according to planetary conditions in his chart and victim was supposed to be victim according to her chart. It means Harshad Mehta, Daud-Abrahim, Chotta Shakil and all the people from underworld or indulge in illegal activities are not bad. They are acting as they are destined. A husband who beats his wife daily is not a bad person. Wife was destined to suffer and husband was supposed to be the aggresive and voilent ? Can anyone tell me how much is in human hand and how much is in the hand of destiny ? After reading many books of K. N. Rao, i feel that its all destiny. Thanks Jagdishpanditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 > wrote: dear friendthere are no two opinions in saying that astronomy is a science and not astrology. most astrologers are striving to explore, perceive and present astrology as a science which is just not the case. science is something which works on set parameters with mathematical exactitude and applies everywhere to everyone. according to astronomy moon is a satellite (not a planet) and the 27 stars are not sigle stars. revati has 32 stars in it and satabhisham has 100 stars in it. astrologically and mythologically speaking moon is a god and these 27 taras (stars) are his wives. according to the puranas, moon loves only one star rohini (where moon is exalted!) more

than the other 26 due to which act he was cursed of losing his strength and upon praying to lord shiva, he blesses moon to lose strength for a fortnight and gain it again the next fortnight which forms the waning and waxing of the moon phases. when we attribute the stars, planets to their lordships viz. hindu forms of gods and goddesses and the various astrology scriptures including BHPS prescribe mollification of these gods and goddesses who influence these planets to change their impacts on human lives, you cannot term it a science under any parameter.take out the birth details of the two hundred of childrens who were all shot dead in a siege in russia recently and submit them individually to two hundred best astrologers in the world seeking their future education, employment and marriage prospects; surely you would not get even a single astrologer predicting that they would all die in a terror strike at

their tender age. same are the cases with lakhs died in tsunami or thousands died in earthquake almost at same. hence the applicability of astrological principles with mathematical precision need no trials. when we mixed planetary astrology with hindu mythology, it is purely mythological in nature squarely based on the foundations of hindu faith and belief. this is a subject of solicitation and only those having faith in this subject approaches an astrologer and gets the answers according to this part astronomical and part mythological subject.ayurveda is a science and is a system of medicine recognised by the government of india, as it works on fixed scientific principles.atma jnan is something related to realising the self, simply put knowing, realising and aligning with the god within. lord krishna in gita says that for a realised person, vedas (all knowledgeful scriptures) are useless since he knows the

reality which is the god within. an unrealised person looks for god elsewhere only to find nowhere outside or find everywhere outside, whereas a realised person finds the god within. read stories of any of the realised souls and they dont do mollification of the planets or do daily poojas for the gods.singing glories of the yesteryuga sages is fine but as per scriptures, all of us are their descendants and each one of us have our lineage linked to a sage and hence you may find these sages amongst us and not somewhere on the mountainpeaks or in the clouds. simply put sages in those days were the learnt ones or most knoweldgeful people to whom even kings used to go to learn. hence any learnt or knoweldgeful person is like a sage.knowledge is like light (enlightenment) which can dispel darkness (ignorance) and may the visible sungod spreads his light and removes the darkness of the world, as he does on a

scientific principle on a daily basis to all countries and all humans alike.with best wishes and blessingspandit arjunwww.rudraksharemedy.com , r_vani ramakrishnan <r_vani61 wrote:>> Dear Pandit Arjun,> Namaskar.> You are correct. Most people in not only China and Russia but in entire world> are achieving great things by believing in themselves and in their field of speciality. Astrology is also a great scientific field where our mental faculty to put to test, as I believe. India and the Sastras in India have been well developed in all fields long long ago, say thousands of years ago. They are still available in Sanskrit language texts which we have neglected by so many reasons like foreign rule etc. Learned people like you should come

forward and probe the subjects scientifically to bring out the truth. Man's mind is to be turned inside our-own- selves when the Truth is revealed in various ways according to the speciality of subject that he is pondering over. Thats-how the great Rishis of India have been the forefathers of the sciences like Astrology, Ayurveda, Atma-vidya (spirituality) etc.> Let us hope some great brains will come out from these Astrology group.> With regards,> D.Ramakrishnan.> > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote: dear friend> > let me give simple answers to your last query.> > most people in communist countries like china and russia believe only > in themselves and dont believe in planets and attribute both success > and failure equally to the proportion of their own efforts. no > wonder they excel in all areas ranging from sports to

business.> > most people in developed countries spent decades of service in > research, innovations and discoveries and they enjoy more than ninety > percent of patents in the world. remember all these invented > MATERIAL wonders which we are enjoying in our daily lives are all the > gifts of these scientists and not descended from the planets.> > in our country india, many people (may be majority but not all)strive > to attribute any and everything to god and planets and treat > themselves as puppets with the strings in the hands of the planets. > astrologers are the engineers or doctors who learn this art of > adjusting the strings firstly by identifying which planet is holding > which part of the native and then adjust, stop, reduce or enhance the > planetary impacts by suggesting various remedies. when you have a > physical problem and visit

a doctor you dont go for simple reports > and predictions, you also go for medicines. similarly astrologers > not only give readings but also prescribe various remedies ranging > from chanting mantras, doing havans, fastings, poojas, abhishekams, > pilgrimages and also wearing various stones, beads etc.> > my concluding observation is that vedic aka mythological aka divine > aka spiritual astrology are all matters of faith and are practiced > only by solicitation by those who have faith. hence any person who > consults or visits an astrologer believes in these faiths and the > astrologer speaks the astro logical language.> > with best wishes and blessings> pandit arjun> www.rudraksharemedy.com> > , Prathamesn Chawan

> <upaoakcrest@> wrote:> >> > i am wondering "who knows who" in these hundered of forums on > astrology ? Most of these forums are required by people to advertise > themselves. You will see many people here having their own webpage > where they can predict your future by "what-not" methods.> > > > One question is always in my mind which is apart from the current > topic..> > > > If astrology is really effective then why its not the MAIN part > of people's life ?> > > > Jagdish> > > > > > > > > > > > chandra_hari18 <chandra_hari18@> wrote:> > > > Sreenadh did put my name too in that list. So I too may quit the > group> > but without any announcement. What if I leave a group that it needs > an> >

announcement like a Minister resigning from the cabinet?> > > > Self given importance make people act like VIPs. What contributions > do> > we make to astrology, other than distortions? Many big names...? > Many so> > called groups and so many giants stride across which are not worth a> > single penny scientific contribution to Jyotihsastra. Simply fooling> > people with astro-gimmicks.> > > > chandra hari> > > > , "Finn Wandahl"> > <finn.wandahl@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear members,> > >> > > Needless to say, I agree 100% with Mr. Ramadas Rao.> > >> > > As a consequence of this I have decided to take a break from this>

> > group, and therefore I will not be available for debating.> > >> > > Best wishes,> > > Finn Wandahl> > >> > >> > >> > > , HosabettuRamadas > Rao> > > ramadasrao@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Sreenadh Ji,> > > > Have you read Prashna Margam, 1st chapter about the qualities > of a> > > good Astrologer ? You think that you are the biggest Astrologer in> > > this world.Dont write such aggressive words.I think this is not a > good> > > discussion forum for me and I am retiring from your discussion> > > form.Please dont sen any invitation again.> > > > H.R.Rao.> >

> >> > > >> > > > @: sreesog@: Fri, 23 Nov 2007> > > 12:40:51 +0000 Blind chart > reading> > > - Where is Rao ji and Goel ji> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear All,> > > > So many people are making very good and bold attempts on the > blind> > > chart reading. Many enthusiastic and knowledgeable members like > Finn> > > ji, Renu ji, Raghavn ji, Srinivas ji, Ravi ji, Neelam Gupta ji, > Durga> > > ji, VIGHNESH ji, Pandit ji, Sasi Bhushan ji - has sincerely > attempted> > it.> > > > But I don't see two of our most enthusiastic and aggressive > members> > > anywhere in this attempt.>

> > > * Goel ji & > > > > * Ramdas Rao ji> > > > They were/are very active in this group and as such I would > expect> > > a reading from them as well. Dear Rao ji and Goel ji please come> > > forward and make your attempt. Once that too is over we will wind-> up> > > this exercise and the results will be announced.> > > > Important:> > > > ----------> > > > * If you are not ready to play the hero by making a winning or> > > losing reading about the same, please don't try to play police > later> > > when everything is over - such as suggesting it shouldn't be like> > > that, it should be like that; or how could it be so when the > rules are> > > so and so etc. It is very easy to locate such tricky tactics. > > > > * Note that,

No Explanations or further discussions are allowed> > > once the final results are revealed.> > > > * No explanations from non-participants are required. Practical> > > astrology is a game for the daring individuals who are bold and> > > sincere enough to accept both success and failure.> > > > Love and regards,Sreenadh> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > ________> > > > Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows> > > Live Spaces. It's easy!> > > >> > >> > http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?>

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dear friend

 

thanks for your feedback.

 

an exclamation was used when i wrote moon exaltation in rohini which

is in the middle of a line where it was meaning moon is at his best

action or interest in rohini. i was not literally and technically

degreewise meaning that.

 

you are right in saying that rishis never said stars as one star but

i wrote that while refering to their shapes and the number of stars

that are forming these shapes.

 

unfortunately i do not agree with you collective destiny differing

from individual destiny. yatha raja tatha praja may not be true.

india is a poor country with lakhs of crores of rupees worth loans

outstanding from international donor bodies and all states and

central governments having deficit budgets. are we a begging country

if this is the case. if we are to believe general karma theories and

destiny principles, astrology has little or no role to play in

foreseeing ones future. if you have any information on how and why

these mass killings erase the future prospects promised in individual

charts based on astro principles, i would be happy to learn the same

from you as till now i believe that these are acts of god or laws of

nature which are mythological in nature and hence have no

astrological rationale.

 

ayurveda is something about which i have very limited or no knowledge

and hence cannot elaborate on its standing as an established science

except that the indian government has given it the status of a

scientific system of medicine.

 

please be assured that i have no ego at all and few reality check

mails are written only after several members branding the non

participants as cowards and the failed participants need to reopen

their schoolbooks. such negative observations are not expected in

the first place when dealing in a mythological subject.

 

on your observation of finding the missing links, i appreciate

sincerely this group founded by sreenadhji as the most honest

research oriented group and wish to share and learn these missing

links sitting beside you.

 

with best wishes and blessings

pandit arjun

www.rudraksharemedy.com

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Dear Raghavan ji, Thanks for your balanced views. Regards, Krishnalion_draco1983 <lion_draco1983 wrote: Dear pt.arjun ji . Namaskaram . I feel There is some factual errors in ur mail . One is moons

exaltation degree is 3 degrees ,so its in kartika (or kritika 4th pada ) in taurus sign ,so moon is not exalted in rohini .Rohini is moons nakshatra and its exaltation and moolatrikona sign ,this may be the reason for the alligary in puranas . 2nd one is abt nakshatras ,rishis never said Nakshatras are one star or some stars ,its an area in zodiac which covers 13 degree 20 minits .They used nakshatra mandala . Again ur question abt mass killings or tsunami deaths ,there is collective destiny ,a countrys destiny and may be even every rock has his own destiny as karma is very complex . But intead of challenging to predict mass deaths ,did any one realy done resrch on it and established that a full longitivity chart has produced a sudden

and untimely death . U know what rishis called yogayus as its from ur chart and may be certain yogas may indicates good ayus ( longitivity ) ,but if u abuse ur body ,then what will happen ?? U may die young also . And rishis told to consider desa ,kaala,patra,paristithi , for example --some born in less privilaged lower class can become even president or supreme court judge ,were as it was not the case atleast 100 years back . So all this taking into consideration is not showing the lack of base of astrology . And u forget when u praised ayurveda ,it has got its own basics and it differs from modern

medicine .Ayurveda does not advocate this bacteria theorey and says strong body is enough to ward off all diseases .So is applicable to all sastras ,every thing has its own basics .otherwise tru out world may be there is 35 or more medicinal system is there and each one has its own basics . Again astronomy to great extent was part of astrology and astrology was never a part of astronomy . U think in india old astrologers and astrology community were studying and observing planets and different golamandirams (ancient observatories ) in every state is a good and living proof of it . Every sastra has got its own domain ,even strenghts and weaknessess, Otherwise Why modern scince cannot

produce a non corrossive iron pillar like that in delhi ,were as the primitiv technology has done it . so we must look out for missing link . And this group is atleast trying to search the missing links and long lost principles which r being lost or hidden .And again i must say if u hav no problem of ego and fear of loosing then no problem in learning that way .jyothisa is nothing but science of phalas But i never said any one will be correct always ,But i am sure we will go in right direction and will learn more from our mistakes I am not worried abt how sani will look like and its other physical properties sceintificaly . But i am every day witness of it in prashna or chart reading or even in his hora . whether its jew or xian or arab ,i find it tru my interactions with many ppl in kerala as many used visit here .they also simply experincing their karma which is good or bad . And ppl saying those who dont blv astro they are coming up and they hav no problems is like ppl those who say i dont blv in electricity as my religion is against it or my master says so or our ideology is against it .but we should not b fatalists astrology is finaly a science of the results .nothing more and nothing less . i hope and think u will take this post in a serious and constructiv way .And we

r not arguing to win our arguments . with respects and regrds vijaya raghavan guruvayur. , "panditarjun2004" <panditarjun2004 wrote:>> dear friend> > there are no two opinions in saying that astronomy is a science and > not astrology. most astrologers are striving to explore, perceive > and present astrology as a science which is just not the case. > science is something which works on set parameters with mathematical > exactitude and applies everywhere to everyone. according to > astronomy moon is a satellite (not a planet) and the 27 stars are not > sigle stars. revati has 32 stars in it and satabhisham has 100 stars >

in it. astrologically and mythologically speaking moon is a god and > these 27 taras (stars) are his wives. according to the puranas, moon > loves only one star rohini (where moon is exalted!) more than the > other 26 due to which act he was cursed of losing his strength and > upon praying to lord shiva, he blesses moon to lose strength for a > fortnight and gain it again the next fortnight which forms the waning > and waxing of the moon phases. when we attribute the stars, planets > to their lordships viz. hindu forms of gods and goddesses and the > various astrology scriptures including BHPS prescribe mollification > of these gods and goddesses who influence these planets to change > their impacts on human lives, you cannot term it a science under any > parameter.> > take out the birth details of the two hundred of childrens who were > all shot dead in a siege in russia

recently and submit them > individually to two hundred best astrologers in the world seeking > their future education, employment and marriage prospects; surely you > would not get even a single astrologer predicting that they would all > die in a terror strike at their tender age. same are the cases with > lakhs died in tsunami or thousands died in earthquake almost at > same. hence the applicability of astrological principles with > mathematical precision need no trials. when we mixed planetary > astrology with hindu mythology, it is purely mythological in nature > squarely based on the foundations of hindu faith and belief. this is > a subject of solicitation and only those having faith in this subject > approaches an astrologer and gets the answers according to this part > astronomical and part mythological subject.> > ayurveda is a science and is a system of medicine

recognised by the > government of india, as it works on fixed scientific principles.> > atma jnan is something related to realising the self, simply put > knowing, realising and aligning with the god within. lord krishna in > gita says that for a realised person, vedas (all knowledgeful > scriptures) are useless since he knows the reality which is the god > within. an unrealised person looks for god elsewhere only to find > nowhere outside or find everywhere outside, whereas a realised person > finds the god within. read stories of any of the realised souls and > they dont do mollification of the planets or do daily poojas for the > gods.> > singing glories of the yesteryuga sages is fine but as per > scriptures, all of us are their descendants and each one of us have > our lineage linked to a sage and hence you may find these sages > amongst us and not somewhere

on the mountainpeaks or in the clouds. > simply put sages in those days were the learnt ones or most > knoweldgeful people to whom even kings used to go to learn. hence > any learnt or knoweldgeful person is like a sage.> > knowledge is like light (enlightenment) which can dispel darkness > (ignorance) and may the visible sungod spreads his light and removes > the darkness of the world, as he does on a scientific principle on a > daily basis to all countries and all humans alike.> > with best wishes and blessings> pandit arjun> www.rudraksharemedy.com> , r_vani ramakrishnan > r_vani61@ wrote:> >> > Dear Pandit Arjun,> > Namaskar.> > You are correct. Most people in not only China and Russia but in > entire world> > are achieving great things by believing

in themselves and in > their field of speciality. Astrology is also a great scientific > field where our mental faculty to put to test, as I believe. India > and the Sastras in India have been well developed in all fields long > long ago, say thousands of years ago. They are still available in > Sanskrit language texts which we have neglected by so many reasons > like foreign rule etc. Learned people like you should come forward > and probe the subjects scientifically to bring out the truth. Man's > mind is to be turned inside our-own- selves when the Truth is > revealed in various ways according to the speciality of subject that > he is pondering over. Thats-how the great Rishis of India have been > the forefathers of the sciences like Astrology, Ayurveda, Atma-vidya > (spirituality) etc.> > Let us hope some great brains will come out from these Astrology > group.>

> With regards,> > D.Ramakrishnan.> > > > panditarjun2004 panditarjun2004@ > wrote: dear friend> > > > let me give simple answers to your last query.> > > > most people in communist countries like china and russia believe > only > > in themselves and dont believe in planets and attribute both > success > > and failure equally to the proportion of their own efforts. no > > wonder they excel in all areas ranging from sports to business.> > > > most people in developed countries spent decades of service in > > research, innovations and discoveries and they enjoy more than > ninety > > percent of patents in the world. remember all these invented > > MATERIAL wonders which we are enjoying in our daily lives are all > the > > gifts of these scientists and not descended from the

planets.> > > > in our country india, many people (may be majority but not all)> strive > > to attribute any and everything to god and planets and treat > > themselves as puppets with the strings in the hands of the > planets. > > astrologers are the engineers or doctors who learn this art of > > adjusting the strings firstly by identifying which planet is > holding > > which part of the native and then adjust, stop, reduce or enhance > the > > planetary impacts by suggesting various remedies. when you have a > > physical problem and visit a doctor you dont go for simple reports > > and predictions, you also go for medicines. similarly astrologers > > not only give readings but also prescribe various remedies ranging > > from chanting mantras, doing havans, fastings, poojas, > abhishekams, > > pilgrimages and

also wearing various stones, beads etc.> > > > my concluding observation is that vedic aka mythological aka > divine > > aka spiritual astrology are all matters of faith and are practiced > > only by solicitation by those who have faith. hence any person > who > > consults or visits an astrologer believes in these faiths and the > > astrologer speaks the astro logical language.> > > > with best wishes and blessings> > pandit arjun> > www.rudraksharemedy.com> > > > , Prathamesn Chawan > > <upaoakcrest@> wrote:> > >> > > i am wondering "who knows who" in these hundered of forums > on > > astrology ? Most of these forums are required by people to > advertise > > themselves. You will see many people

here having their own webpage > > where they can predict your future by "what-not" methods.> > > > > > One question is always in my mind which is apart from the > current > > topic..> > > > > > If astrology is really effective then why its not the MAIN > part > > of people's life ?> > > > > > Jagdish> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chandra_hari18 <chandra_hari18@> wrote:> > > > > > Sreenadh did put my name too in that list. So I too may quit the > > group> > > but without any announcement. What if I leave a group that it > needs > > an> > > announcement like a Minister resigning from the cabinet?> > > > > > Self given importance make people act like VIPs. What

> contributions > > do> > > we make to astrology, other than distortions? Many big names...? > > Many so> > > called groups and so many giants stride across which are not > worth a> > > single penny scientific contribution to Jyotihsastra. Simply > fooling> > > people with astro-gimmicks.> > > > > > chandra hari> > > > > > , "Finn Wandahl"> > > <finn.wandahl@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear members,> > > >> > > > Needless to say, I agree 100% with Mr. Ramadas Rao.> > > >> > > > As a consequence of this I have decided to take a break from > this> > > > group, and therefore I will not be available for debating.> > > >>

> > > Best wishes,> > > > Finn Wandahl> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > , > HosabettuRamadas > > Rao> > > > ramadasrao@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sreenadh Ji,> > > > > Have you read Prashna Margam, 1st chapter about the > qualities > > of a> > > > good Astrologer ? You think that you are the biggest > Astrologer in> > > > this world.Dont write such aggressive words.I think this is > not a > > good> > > > discussion forum for me and I am retiring from your discussion> > > > form.Please dont sen any invitation again.> > > > > H.R.Rao.> > > > >> > > >

>> > > > > @: sreesog@: Fri, 23 Nov 2007> > > > 12:40:51 +0000 Blind chart > > reading> > > > - Where is Rao ji and Goel ji> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear All,> > > > > So many people are making very good and bold attempts on the > > blind> > > > chart reading. Many enthusiastic and knowledgeable members > like > > Finn> > > > ji, Renu ji, Raghavn ji, Srinivas ji, Ravi ji, Neelam Gupta > ji, > > Durga> > > > ji, VIGHNESH ji, Pandit ji, Sasi Bhushan ji - has sincerely > > attempted> > > it.> > > > > But I don't see two of our most enthusiastic

and aggressive > > members> > > > anywhere in this attempt.> > > > > * Goel ji & > > > > > * Ramdas Rao ji> > > > > They were/are very active in this group and as such I would > > expect> > > > a reading from them as well. Dear Rao ji and Goel ji please > come> > > > forward and make your attempt. Once that too is over we will > wind-> > up> > > > this exercise and the results will be announced.> > > > > Important:> > > > > ----------> > > > > * If you are not ready to play the hero by making a winning > or> > > > losing reading about the same, please don't try to play police > > later> > > > when everything is over - such as suggesting it shouldn't be > like> > > > that, it should

be like that; or how could it be so when the > > rules are> > > > so and so etc. It is very easy to locate such tricky > tactics. > > > > > * Note that, No Explanations or further discussions are > allowed> > > > once the final results are revealed.> > > > > * No explanations from non-participants are required. > Practical> > > > astrology is a game for the daring individuals who are bold and> > > > sincere enough to accept both success and failure.> > > > > Love and regards,Sreenadh> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ________> > > > >

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Dear Arjun ji,

==>

> i cannot predict any human chart with surgical precision merely

> based on astrology containing various conflicting and overriding

> principles and with various exceptions

<==

I am also of the same category without doubt. Yes, we cannot

predict on any chart with surgical precision but for sure there are

many better than us in individual chart reading - and Durga ji seems

to be one. I am waiting for her further mails - we may turn out to be

wrong - her prediction could have been an exception done in a

particular mood and became wonderfully correct for a horoscope - or it

could be that she had better mastery and understanding of the subject

than we have, and may repeat the same with her understanding and may

baffle us again and again - we should always be open to possibilities.

With individuals who could at least see their own ego we all should be

humble and understanding to each others feelings I think.

With love and regards,

Sreenadh

 

, " panditarjun2004 "

<panditarjun2004 wrote:

>

> dear friend

>

> there is nothing more to add from my side than what was written in my

> three earlier mails. what prompted me to write this reality check is

> the euphoria by some members over one person claiming to have hit the

> bulls eye with surgical precision in predicting while all those who

> answered wrongly need to go back to their schools and those who did

> not participate are cowards and did not go to any school at all.

>

> now members are trying to convince that mass reading of charts in

> mass killings keep changing from individual charts and the present

> desa, kala, vartamana paristitis do things other than what is seen

> from the basic astro principles. these days some astrologers are

> even reading corporate charts based on their date of incorporation as

> date of birth. recently some famous astrologers quipped that there

> is a curse by goddess parvati that astrologer predictions will not

> become correct.

>

> at least i cannot take shelter in such ways and call the truth a

> truth and a failure a failure. my last word on this subject is that

> i cannot predict any human chart with surgical precision merely based

> on astrology containing various conflicting and overriding principles

> and with various exceptions and a curse of goddess parvati from the

> top. let the champions of astrology who claim success in accuracy

> answer your future mails.

>

> with best wishes and blessings

> pandit arjun

> www.rudraksharemedy.com

>

> , Prathamesn Chawan

> <upaoakcrest@> wrote:

> >

> > I feel more sorry if someone proves that astrology is 100% true. I

> havent got the answer of this question so far. If astrology is 100%

> true then an able astrologer can predict everything about your

> future. If that happens then there is nothing good or bad or evil.

> >

> > A rapist is as good as a the victim. Rapist was supposed to rape

> according to planetary conditions in his chart and victim was

> supposed to be victim according to her chart. It means Harshad

> Mehta, Daud-Abrahim, Chotta Shakil and all the people from underworld

> or indulge in illegal activities are not bad. They are acting as they

> are destined.

> >

> > A husband who beats his wife daily is not a bad person. Wife was

> destined to suffer and husband was supposed to be the aggresive and

> voilent ?

> >

> > Can anyone tell me how much is in human hand and how much is in

> the hand of destiny ? After reading many books of K. N. Rao, i feel

> that its all destiny.

> >

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> > Jagdish

> >

> > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> > dear friend

> >

> > there are no two opinions in saying that astronomy is a science and

> > not astrology. most astrologers are striving to explore, perceive

> > and present astrology as a science which is just not the case.

> > science is something which works on set parameters with

> mathematical

> > exactitude and applies everywhere to everyone. according to

> > astronomy moon is a satellite (not a planet) and the 27 stars are

> not

> > sigle stars. revati has 32 stars in it and satabhisham has 100

> stars

> > in it. astrologically and mythologically speaking moon is a god and

> > these 27 taras (stars) are his wives. according to the puranas,

> moon

> > loves only one star rohini (where moon is exalted!) more than the

> > other 26 due to which act he was cursed of losing his strength and

> > upon praying to lord shiva, he blesses moon to lose strength for a

> > fortnight and gain it again the next fortnight which forms the

> waning

> > and waxing of the moon phases. when we attribute the stars, planets

> > to their lordships viz. hindu forms of gods and goddesses and the

> > various astrology scriptures including BHPS prescribe mollification

> > of these gods and goddesses who influence these planets to change

> > their impacts on human lives, you cannot term it a science under

> any

> > parameter.

> >

> > take out the birth details of the two hundred of childrens who were

> > all shot dead in a siege in russia recently and submit them

> > individually to two hundred best astrologers in the world seeking

> > their future education, employment and marriage prospects; surely

> you

> > would not get even a single astrologer predicting that they would

> all

> > die in a terror strike at their tender age. same are the cases with

> > lakhs died in tsunami or thousands died in earthquake almost at

> > same. hence the applicability of astrological principles with

> > mathematical precision need no trials. when we mixed planetary

> > astrology with hindu mythology, it is purely mythological in nature

> > squarely based on the foundations of hindu faith and belief. this

> is

> > a subject of solicitation and only those having faith in this

> subject

> > approaches an astrologer and gets the answers according to this

> part

> > astronomical and part mythological subject.

> >

> > ayurveda is a science and is a system of medicine recognised by the

> > government of india, as it works on fixed scientific principles.

> >

> > atma jnan is something related to realising the self, simply put

> > knowing, realising and aligning with the god within. lord krishna

> in

> > gita says that for a realised person, vedas (all knowledgeful

> > scriptures) are useless since he knows the reality which is the god

> > within. an unrealised person looks for god elsewhere only to find

> > nowhere outside or find everywhere outside, whereas a realised

> person

> > finds the god within. read stories of any of the realised souls and

> > they dont do mollification of the planets or do daily poojas for

> the

> > gods.

> >

> > singing glories of the yesteryuga sages is fine but as per

> > scriptures, all of us are their descendants and each one of us have

> > our lineage linked to a sage and hence you may find these sages

> > amongst us and not somewhere on the mountainpeaks or in the clouds.

> > simply put sages in those days were the learnt ones or most

> > knoweldgeful people to whom even kings used to go to learn. hence

> > any learnt or knoweldgeful person is like a sage.

> >

> > knowledge is like light (enlightenment) which can dispel darkness

> > (ignorance) and may the visible sungod spreads his light and

> removes

> > the darkness of the world, as he does on a scientific principle on

> a

> > daily basis to all countries and all humans alike.

> >

> > with best wishes and blessings

> > pandit arjun

> > www.rudraksharemedy.com

> > , r_vani

> ramakrishnan

> > <r_vani61@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Pandit Arjun,

> > > Namaskar.

> > > You are correct. Most people in not only China and Russia but in

> > entire world

> > > are achieving great things by believing in themselves and in

> > their field of speciality. Astrology is also a great scientific

> > field where our mental faculty to put to test, as I believe. India

> > and the Sastras in India have been well developed in all fields

> long

> > long ago, say thousands of years ago. They are still available in

> > Sanskrit language texts which we have neglected by so many reasons

> > like foreign rule etc. Learned people like you should come forward

> > and probe the subjects scientifically to bring out the truth. Man's

> > mind is to be turned inside our-own- selves when the Truth is

> > revealed in various ways according to the speciality of subject

> that

> > he is pondering over. Thats-how the great Rishis of India have been

> > the forefathers of the sciences like Astrology, Ayurveda, Atma-

> vidya

> > (spirituality) etc.

> > > Let us hope some great brains will come out from these Astrology

> > group.

> > > With regards,

> > > D.Ramakrishnan.

> > >

> > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@>

> > wrote: dear friend

> > >

> > > let me give simple answers to your last query.

> > >

> > > most people in communist countries like china and russia believe

> > only

> > > in themselves and dont believe in planets and attribute both

> > success

> > > and failure equally to the proportion of their own efforts. no

> > > wonder they excel in all areas ranging from sports to business.

> > >

> > > most people in developed countries spent decades of service in

> > > research, innovations and discoveries and they enjoy more than

> > ninety

> > > percent of patents in the world. remember all these invented

> > > MATERIAL wonders which we are enjoying in our daily lives are all

> > the

> > > gifts of these scientists and not descended from the planets.

> > >

> > > in our country india, many people (may be majority but not all)

> > strive

> > > to attribute any and everything to god and planets and treat

> > > themselves as puppets with the strings in the hands of the

> > planets.

> > > astrologers are the engineers or doctors who learn this art of

> > > adjusting the strings firstly by identifying which planet is

> > holding

> > > which part of the native and then adjust, stop, reduce or enhance

> > the

> > > planetary impacts by suggesting various remedies. when you have a

> > > physical problem and visit a doctor you dont go for simple

> reports

> > > and predictions, you also go for medicines. similarly astrologers

> > > not only give readings but also prescribe various remedies

> ranging

> > > from chanting mantras, doing havans, fastings, poojas,

> > abhishekams,

> > > pilgrimages and also wearing various stones, beads etc.

> > >

> > > my concluding observation is that vedic aka mythological aka

> > divine

> > > aka spiritual astrology are all matters of faith and are

> practiced

> > > only by solicitation by those who have faith. hence any person

> > who

> > > consults or visits an astrologer believes in these faiths and the

> > > astrologer speaks the astro logical language.

> > >

> > > with best wishes and blessings

> > > pandit arjun

> > > www.rudraksharemedy.com

> > >

> > > , Prathamesn

> Chawan

> > > <upaoakcrest@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > i am wondering " who knows who " in these hundered of

> forums

> > on

> > > astrology ? Most of these forums are required by people to

> > advertise

> > > themselves. You will see many people here having their own

> webpage

> > > where they can predict your future by " what-not " methods.

> > > >

> > > > One question is always in my mind which is apart from the

> > current

> > > topic..

> > > >

> > > > If astrology is really effective then why its not the MAIN

> > part

> > > of people's life ?

> > > >

> > > > Jagdish

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > chandra_hari18 <chandra_hari18@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Sreenadh did put my name too in that list. So I too may quit

> the

> > > group

> > > > but without any announcement. What if I leave a group that it

> > needs

> > > an

> > > > announcement like a Minister resigning from the cabinet?

> > > >

> > > > Self given importance make people act like VIPs. What

> > contributions

> > > do

> > > > we make to astrology, other than distortions? Many big

> names...?

> > > Many so

> > > > called groups and so many giants stride across which are not

> > worth a

> > > > single penny scientific contribution to Jyotihsastra. Simply

> > fooling

> > > > people with astro-gimmicks.

> > > >

> > > > chandra hari

> > > >

> > > > , " Finn Wandahl "

> > > > <finn.wandahl@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear members,

> > > > >

> > > > > Needless to say, I agree 100% with Mr. Ramadas Rao.

> > > > >

> > > > > As a consequence of this I have decided to take a break from

> > this

> > > > > group, and therefore I will not be available for debating.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > > Finn Wandahl

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ,

> > HosabettuRamadas

> > > Rao

> > > > > ramadasrao@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sreenadh Ji,

> > > > > > Have you read Prashna Margam, 1st chapter about the

> > qualities

> > > of a

> > > > > good Astrologer ? You think that you are the biggest

> > Astrologer in

> > > > > this world.Dont write such aggressive words.I think this is

> > not a

> > > good

> > > > > discussion forum for me and I am retiring from your discussion

> > > > > form.Please dont sen any invitation again.

> > > > > > H.R.Rao.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > @: sreesog@: Fri, 23 Nov 2007

> > > > > 12:40:51 +0000 Blind chart

> > > reading

> > > > > - Where is Rao ji and Goel ji

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > So many people are making very good and bold attempts on

> the

> > > blind

> > > > > chart reading. Many enthusiastic and knowledgeable members

> > like

> > > Finn

> > > > > ji, Renu ji, Raghavn ji, Srinivas ji, Ravi ji, Neelam Gupta

> > ji,

> > > Durga

> > > > > ji, VIGHNESH ji, Pandit ji, Sasi Bhushan ji - has sincerely

> > > attempted

> > > > it.

> > > > > > But I don't see two of our most enthusiastic and aggressive

> > > members

> > > > > anywhere in this attempt.

> > > > > > * Goel ji &

> > > > > > * Ramdas Rao ji

> > > > > > They were/are very active in this group and as such I would

> > > expect

> > > > > a reading from them as well. Dear Rao ji and Goel ji please

> > come

> > > > > forward and make your attempt. Once that too is over we will

> > wind-

> > > up

> > > > > this exercise and the results will be announced.

> > > > > > Important:

> > > > > > ----------

> > > > > > * If you are not ready to play the hero by making a winning

> > or

> > > > > losing reading about the same, please don't try to play

> police

> > > later

> > > > > when everything is over - such as suggesting it shouldn't be

> > like

> > > > > that, it should be like that; or how could it be so when the

> > > rules are

> > > > > so and so etc. It is very easy to locate such tricky

> > tactics.

> > > > > > * Note that, No Explanations or further discussions are

> > allowed

> > > > > once the final results are revealed.

> > > > > > * No explanations from non-participants are required.

> > Practical

> > > > > astrology is a game for the daring individuals who are bold

> and

> > > > > sincere enough to accept both success and failure.

> > > > > > Love and regards,Sreenadh

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dear sreenadhji

 

one incident shall not let one jump to strong judgemental remarks.

if durgaji has predicted correctly in your quiz, she may be given a

pat on her back or give her a felicitation but to say that all non

participants are cowards is unwarranted. even those participants who

failed may have failed only in this quiz and might have answered

correclty in all other quizs. whether the failure and

nonparticipation is an aberration or an isolated incident is seen

only on hindsight. to speak on behalf of the non participants,

myself was away for ten days on pilgrimages during which period the

quiz happened.

 

suppose one's mother or wife is a great cook and and prepares tasty

delicious dishes both times daily for several decades and once she

prepares badly for whatever reason, would anyone give a public snub

that she is a bad cook which was evidently demonstrated ONCE. NO.

practicing astrologers in this forum like me have hundreds of

satisfied customers who got their predictions right on dot and there

are few customers who could not get that accurately. a lawyer wins

99 cases and loses one case. a doctor performs 99 surgeries

successfully and fails in one. a politician wins all elections but

one. hence my submission is that even while you can celebrate the

right predictions and give medals and felicitations to the winner,

you shall not pass demeaning reamarks against the failed and non

participants.

 

the objective of each astrologer differs. for some it may be

research oriented. for others it is just a pastime hobby after

working hours. some steal their office time and use office resources

for pariticpating in astrology groups which is their personal hobby.

for some it may be a profession and for others it is just a subject

of interest. hence many astrologers may not be as comfortable as you

are in throwing and participating in quizs. in my own case,

astrology per se for reading charts is meaningless unless it is of

any use to the native. the native approaches an astrologer when he

is not getting a job, when he is failing in studies, when he is

facing pecuniary problems, not getting married, not getting

promtoions, not getting children and all sorts of humane material

problems. hence my objective is more to address the problem and

suggest a solution by answering his specific queries to relieve his

suffering.

 

all these unhappy mails and some members leaving would not have

happened in the first place had the mails with negative vitriol on

failed and non-participants was not thrown in a public snub.

 

members may kindly take this as a learning experience and in future

do not snub others while enjoying festive celebrations in hitting

bulls eye while predicting a blind chart. some people fire in the

air while celebrating but they dont fire at others.

 

with best wishes and blessings

pandit arjun

www.rudraksharemedy.com

 

, " Sreenadh "

<sreesog wrote:

>

> Dear Arjun ji,

> ==>

> > i cannot predict any human chart with surgical precision merely

> > based on astrology containing various conflicting and overriding

> > principles and with various exceptions

> <==

> I am also of the same category without doubt. Yes, we cannot

> predict on any chart with surgical precision but for sure there are

> many better than us in individual chart reading - and Durga ji seems

> to be one. I am waiting for her further mails - we may turn out to

be

> wrong - her prediction could have been an exception done in a

> particular mood and became wonderfully correct for a horoscope - or

it

> could be that she had better mastery and understanding of the

subject

> than we have, and may repeat the same with her understanding and may

> baffle us again and again - we should always be open to

possibilities.

> With individuals who could at least see their own ego we all should

be

> humble and understanding to each others feelings I think.

> With love and regards,

> Sreenadh

>

> , " panditarjun2004 "

> <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> >

> > dear friend

> >

> > there is nothing more to add from my side than what was written

in my

> > three earlier mails. what prompted me to write this reality

check is

> > the euphoria by some members over one person claiming to have hit

the

> > bulls eye with surgical precision in predicting while all those

who

> > answered wrongly need to go back to their schools and those who

did

> > not participate are cowards and did not go to any school at all.

> >

> > now members are trying to convince that mass reading of charts in

> > mass killings keep changing from individual charts and the

present

> > desa, kala, vartamana paristitis do things other than what is

seen

> > from the basic astro principles. these days some astrologers are

> > even reading corporate charts based on their date of

incorporation as

> > date of birth. recently some famous astrologers quipped that

there

> > is a curse by goddess parvati that astrologer predictions will

not

> > become correct.

> >

> > at least i cannot take shelter in such ways and call the truth a

> > truth and a failure a failure. my last word on this subject is

that

> > i cannot predict any human chart with surgical precision merely

based

> > on astrology containing various conflicting and overriding

principles

> > and with various exceptions and a curse of goddess parvati from

the

> > top. let the champions of astrology who claim success in

accuracy

> > answer your future mails.

> >

> > with best wishes and blessings

> > pandit arjun

> > www.rudraksharemedy.com

> >

> > , Prathamesn

Chawan

> > <upaoakcrest@> wrote:

> > >

> > > I feel more sorry if someone proves that astrology is 100%

true. I

> > havent got the answer of this question so far. If astrology is

100%

> > true then an able astrologer can predict everything about your

> > future. If that happens then there is nothing good or bad or evil.

> > >

> > > A rapist is as good as a the victim. Rapist was supposed to

rape

> > according to planetary conditions in his chart and victim was

> > supposed to be victim according to her chart. It means Harshad

> > Mehta, Daud-Abrahim, Chotta Shakil and all the people from

underworld

> > or indulge in illegal activities are not bad. They are acting as

they

> > are destined.

> > >

> > > A husband who beats his wife daily is not a bad person. Wife

was

> > destined to suffer and husband was supposed to be the aggresive

and

> > voilent ?

> > >

> > > Can anyone tell me how much is in human hand and how much is

in

> > the hand of destiny ? After reading many books of K. N. Rao, i

feel

> > that its all destiny.

> > >

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > >

> > > Jagdish

> > >

> > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> > > dear friend

> > >

> > > there are no two opinions in saying that astronomy is a science

and

> > > not astrology. most astrologers are striving to explore,

perceive

> > > and present astrology as a science which is just not the case.

> > > science is something which works on set parameters with

> > mathematical

> > > exactitude and applies everywhere to everyone. according to

> > > astronomy moon is a satellite (not a planet) and the 27 stars

are

> > not

> > > sigle stars. revati has 32 stars in it and satabhisham has 100

> > stars

> > > in it. astrologically and mythologically speaking moon is a god

and

> > > these 27 taras (stars) are his wives. according to the puranas,

> > moon

> > > loves only one star rohini (where moon is exalted!) more than

the

> > > other 26 due to which act he was cursed of losing his strength

and

> > > upon praying to lord shiva, he blesses moon to lose strength

for a

> > > fortnight and gain it again the next fortnight which forms the

> > waning

> > > and waxing of the moon phases. when we attribute the stars,

planets

> > > to their lordships viz. hindu forms of gods and goddesses and

the

> > > various astrology scriptures including BHPS prescribe

mollification

> > > of these gods and goddesses who influence these planets to

change

> > > their impacts on human lives, you cannot term it a science

under

> > any

> > > parameter.

> > >

> > > take out the birth details of the two hundred of childrens who

were

> > > all shot dead in a siege in russia recently and submit them

> > > individually to two hundred best astrologers in the world

seeking

> > > their future education, employment and marriage prospects;

surely

> > you

> > > would not get even a single astrologer predicting that they

would

> > all

> > > die in a terror strike at their tender age. same are the cases

with

> > > lakhs died in tsunami or thousands died in earthquake almost at

> > > same. hence the applicability of astrological principles with

> > > mathematical precision need no trials. when we mixed planetary

> > > astrology with hindu mythology, it is purely mythological in

nature

> > > squarely based on the foundations of hindu faith and belief.

this

> > is

> > > a subject of solicitation and only those having faith in this

> > subject

> > > approaches an astrologer and gets the answers according to this

> > part

> > > astronomical and part mythological subject.

> > >

> > > ayurveda is a science and is a system of medicine recognised by

the

> > > government of india, as it works on fixed scientific principles.

> > >

> > > atma jnan is something related to realising the self, simply

put

> > > knowing, realising and aligning with the god within. lord

krishna

> > in

> > > gita says that for a realised person, vedas (all knowledgeful

> > > scriptures) are useless since he knows the reality which is the

god

> > > within. an unrealised person looks for god elsewhere only to

find

> > > nowhere outside or find everywhere outside, whereas a realised

> > person

> > > finds the god within. read stories of any of the realised souls

and

> > > they dont do mollification of the planets or do daily poojas

for

> > the

> > > gods.

> > >

> > > singing glories of the yesteryuga sages is fine but as per

> > > scriptures, all of us are their descendants and each one of us

have

> > > our lineage linked to a sage and hence you may find these sages

> > > amongst us and not somewhere on the mountainpeaks or in the

clouds.

> > > simply put sages in those days were the learnt ones or most

> > > knoweldgeful people to whom even kings used to go to learn.

hence

> > > any learnt or knoweldgeful person is like a sage.

> > >

> > > knowledge is like light (enlightenment) which can dispel

darkness

> > > (ignorance) and may the visible sungod spreads his light and

> > removes

> > > the darkness of the world, as he does on a scientific principle

on

> > a

> > > daily basis to all countries and all humans alike.

> > >

> > > with best wishes and blessings

> > > pandit arjun

> > > www.rudraksharemedy.com

> > > , r_vani

> > ramakrishnan

> > > <r_vani61@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Pandit Arjun,

> > > > Namaskar.

> > > > You are correct. Most people in not only China and Russia but

in

> > > entire world

> > > > are achieving great things by believing in themselves and in

> > > their field of speciality. Astrology is also a great scientific

> > > field where our mental faculty to put to test, as I believe.

India

> > > and the Sastras in India have been well developed in all fields

> > long

> > > long ago, say thousands of years ago. They are still available

in

> > > Sanskrit language texts which we have neglected by so many

reasons

> > > like foreign rule etc. Learned people like you should come

forward

> > > and probe the subjects scientifically to bring out the truth.

Man's

> > > mind is to be turned inside our-own- selves when the Truth is

> > > revealed in various ways according to the speciality of subject

> > that

> > > he is pondering over. Thats-how the great Rishis of India have

been

> > > the forefathers of the sciences like Astrology, Ayurveda, Atma-

> > vidya

> > > (spirituality) etc.

> > > > Let us hope some great brains will come out from these

Astrology

> > > group.

> > > > With regards,

> > > > D.Ramakrishnan.

> > > >

> > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@>

> > > wrote: dear friend

> > > >

> > > > let me give simple answers to your last query.

> > > >

> > > > most people in communist countries like china and russia

believe

> > > only

> > > > in themselves and dont believe in planets and attribute both

> > > success

> > > > and failure equally to the proportion of their own efforts.

no

> > > > wonder they excel in all areas ranging from sports to

business.

> > > >

> > > > most people in developed countries spent decades of service

in

> > > > research, innovations and discoveries and they enjoy more

than

> > > ninety

> > > > percent of patents in the world. remember all these invented

> > > > MATERIAL wonders which we are enjoying in our daily lives are

all

> > > the

> > > > gifts of these scientists and not descended from the planets.

> > > >

> > > > in our country india, many people (may be majority but not

all)

> > > strive

> > > > to attribute any and everything to god and planets and treat

> > > > themselves as puppets with the strings in the hands of the

> > > planets.

> > > > astrologers are the engineers or doctors who learn this art

of

> > > > adjusting the strings firstly by identifying which planet is

> > > holding

> > > > which part of the native and then adjust, stop, reduce or

enhance

> > > the

> > > > planetary impacts by suggesting various remedies. when you

have a

> > > > physical problem and visit a doctor you dont go for simple

> > reports

> > > > and predictions, you also go for medicines. similarly

astrologers

> > > > not only give readings but also prescribe various remedies

> > ranging

> > > > from chanting mantras, doing havans, fastings, poojas,

> > > abhishekams,

> > > > pilgrimages and also wearing various stones, beads etc.

> > > >

> > > > my concluding observation is that vedic aka mythological aka

> > > divine

> > > > aka spiritual astrology are all matters of faith and are

> > practiced

> > > > only by solicitation by those who have faith. hence any

person

> > > who

> > > > consults or visits an astrologer believes in these faiths and

the

> > > > astrologer speaks the astro logical language.

> > > >

> > > > with best wishes and blessings

> > > > pandit arjun

> > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com

> > > >

> > > > , Prathamesn

> > Chawan

> > > > <upaoakcrest@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > i am wondering " who knows who " in these hundered of

> > forums

> > > on

> > > > astrology ? Most of these forums are required by people to

> > > advertise

> > > > themselves. You will see many people here having their own

> > webpage

> > > > where they can predict your future by " what-not " methods.

> > > > >

> > > > > One question is always in my mind which is apart from the

> > > current

> > > > topic..

> > > > >

> > > > > If astrology is really effective then why its not the MAIN

> > > part

> > > > of people's life ?

> > > > >

> > > > > Jagdish

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > chandra_hari18 <chandra_hari18@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Sreenadh did put my name too in that list. So I too may

quit

> > the

> > > > group

> > > > > but without any announcement. What if I leave a group that

it

> > > needs

> > > > an

> > > > > announcement like a Minister resigning from the cabinet?

> > > > >

> > > > > Self given importance make people act like VIPs. What

> > > contributions

> > > > do

> > > > > we make to astrology, other than distortions? Many big

> > names...?

> > > > Many so

> > > > > called groups and so many giants stride across which are

not

> > > worth a

> > > > > single penny scientific contribution to Jyotihsastra.

Simply

> > > fooling

> > > > > people with astro-gimmicks.

> > > > >

> > > > > chandra hari

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Finn

Wandahl "

> > > > > <finn.wandahl@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear members,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Needless to say, I agree 100% with Mr. Ramadas Rao.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As a consequence of this I have decided to take a break

from

> > > this

> > > > > > group, and therefore I will not be available for debating.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > > > Finn Wandahl

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ,

> > > HosabettuRamadas

> > > > Rao

> > > > > > ramadasrao@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh Ji,

> > > > > > > Have you read Prashna Margam, 1st chapter about the

> > > qualities

> > > > of a

> > > > > > good Astrologer ? You think that you are the biggest

> > > Astrologer in

> > > > > > this world.Dont write such aggressive words.I think this

is

> > > not a

> > > > good

> > > > > > discussion forum for me and I am retiring from your

discussion

> > > > > > form.Please dont sen any invitation again.

> > > > > > > H.R.Rao.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > @: sreesog@: Fri, 23 Nov

2007

> > > > > > 12:40:51 +0000 Blind

chart

> > > > reading

> > > > > > - Where is Rao ji and Goel ji

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > So many people are making very good and bold attempts

on

> > the

> > > > blind

> > > > > > chart reading. Many enthusiastic and knowledgeable

members

> > > like

> > > > Finn

> > > > > > ji, Renu ji, Raghavn ji, Srinivas ji, Ravi ji, Neelam

Gupta

> > > ji,

> > > > Durga

> > > > > > ji, VIGHNESH ji, Pandit ji, Sasi Bhushan ji - has

sincerely

> > > > attempted

> > > > > it.

> > > > > > > But I don't see two of our most enthusiastic and

aggressive

> > > > members

> > > > > > anywhere in this attempt.

> > > > > > > * Goel ji &

> > > > > > > * Ramdas Rao ji

> > > > > > > They were/are very active in this group and as such I

would

> > > > expect

> > > > > > a reading from them as well. Dear Rao ji and Goel ji

please

> > > come

> > > > > > forward and make your attempt. Once that too is over we

will

> > > wind-

> > > > up

> > > > > > this exercise and the results will be announced.

> > > > > > > Important:

> > > > > > > ----------

> > > > > > > * If you are not ready to play the hero by making a

winning

> > > or

> > > > > > losing reading about the same, please don't try to play

> > police

> > > > later

> > > > > > when everything is over - such as suggesting it shouldn't

be

> > > like

> > > > > > that, it should be like that; or how could it be so when

the

> > > > rules are

> > > > > > so and so etc. It is very easy to locate such tricky

> > > tactics.

> > > > > > > * Note that, No Explanations or further discussions are

> > > allowed

> > > > > > once the final results are revealed.

> > > > > > > * No explanations from non-participants are required.

> > > Practical

> > > > > > astrology is a game for the daring individuals who are

bold

> > and

> > > > > > sincere enough to accept both success and failure.

> > > > > > > Love and regards,Sreenadh

> > > > > > >

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dear pandit ji

 

i beg to differ on certain points. for info astrology doesnt work like 1+1=2.

you need mathematical skill no doubt -you need more than that. the practitioner

must have divine grace; queriest should be very earnest in his query (not to test)

definitely you will be answered. it depends on the intensity of the questioner

the answer lies for the correct answer. Qualified astrologers

will definitely tell correctly - again if question asking person shoul be earnest. burning

intensity should be there.

 

An very elderly person in my young age used to say for a fraction of second, abamirtyu

yogam happens in a particular point of a time in a day in a place - in those few seconds the natural

attributes of the planets in a person's horoscopes freezes/inactivated. i will elaborate - in chennai triplicane

on 01-12-07 at 3.00 am to 3.01 abamrityu yogam happens - if any one gets trapped in that

place on the particular moment -he is lost though he is okay as per his horoscopes.

 

long years back i had a personal experience. i just started like a toddler in astro (i am still )

- i knew few terminology thas all - i did nt know the starting point of lagna on a specific day in a month. though it is a very rudimentary matter to all. i wanted to find Lag for my new born daughter. at that time i was having a book in tamil on an advanced level. i went thru it but nowhere it was mentioned in it how to find out the lagna. since at that time i was living in saudi i did not hv recourse to library or internet facility. one week passed by. my desparation grew. bloody hell no way to find it. 8 or 9th day it was a friday early morning - in my dream i heared a very stern voice telling me " LOOK WHERE THE SUN IS IN THAT MONTH. THAT RASI IS STARTING POINT OF THE LAGNA IN THAT MONTH ". verbatim i reproudced (ofcourse i perceived the voice in tamil - may be due to my monther tongue) It was an

unusal voice - like an elerly guru. even now i vividly remember the voice/instance. I woke up immediately, applied it and found the answer. This lesson of astrology i didnt learn from a book or thru a known teacher ) but given to me within by Him.

 

My experience is that with humbleness, prayerful mood & sincerety you approach an astrologer -

even if he is lousy one - he will give you the correct answer. you can try it.

 

to cut short - this science (sorry you dont like this word - i will say subject/knowlege) is not as easy as computer programmer does - so many things involve. science is a method where it has to be proved

in a materialistic way. this subject is not like that way works as this esoteric subject. the Seers who

left this to us are advanced in their spirituality. we have to reach that level to understand and apply it.

Mere bhai, fault lies with us - not with the astrology.

 

dont bother with the word science. Astrology is upang of vedas (part of shatang of vedas i mean)

 

thanks for give me an opprtunity to speak to u.

 

 

venkat

 

panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 Sent: Sunday, December 2, 2007 11:22:18 PM Re: Blind chart reading - Where is Rao ji and Goel ji

 

dear friendthere are no two opinions in saying that astronomy is a science and not astrology. most astrologers are striving to explore, perceive and present astrology as a science which is just not the case. science is something which works on set parameters with mathematical exactitude and applies everywhere to everyone. according to astronomy moon is a satellite (not a planet) and the 27 stars are not sigle stars. revati has 32 stars in it and satabhisham has 100 stars in it. astrologically and mythologically speaking moon is a god and these 27 taras (stars) are his wives. according to the puranas, moon loves only one star rohini (where moon is exalted!) more than the other 26 due to which act he was cursed of losing his strength and upon praying to lord shiva, he blesses moon to lose strength for a fortnight and gain it again the next fortnight which forms the waning and waxing of the moon

phases. when we attribute the stars, planets to their lordships viz. hindu forms of gods and goddesses and the various astrology scriptures including BHPS prescribe mollification of these gods and goddesses who influence these planets to change their impacts on human lives, you cannot term it a science under any parameter.take out the birth details of the two hundred of childrens who were all shot dead in a siege in russia recently and submit them individually to two hundred best astrologers in the world seeking their future education, employment and marriage prospects; surely you would not get even a single astrologer predicting that they would all die in a terror strike at their tender age. same are the cases with lakhs died in tsunami or thousands died in earthquake almost at same. hence the applicability of astrological principles with mathematical precision need no trials. when we mixed

planetary astrology with hindu mythology, it is purely mythological in nature squarely based on the foundations of hindu faith and belief. this is a subject of solicitation and only those having faith in this subject approaches an astrologer and gets the answers according to this part astronomical and part mythological subject.ayurveda is a science and is a system of medicine recognised by the government of india, as it works on fixed scientific principles.atma jnan is something related to realising the self, simply put knowing, realising and aligning with the god within. lord krishna in gita says that for a realised person, vedas (all knowledgeful scriptures) are useless since he knows the reality which is the god within. an unrealised person looks for god elsewhere only to find nowhere outside or find everywhere outside, whereas a realised person finds the god within. read stories of any

of the realised souls and they dont do mollification of the planets or do daily poojas for the gods.singing glories of the yesteryuga sages is fine but as per scriptures, all of us are their descendants and each one of us have our lineage linked to a sage and hence you may find these sages amongst us and not somewhere on the mountainpeaks or in the clouds. simply put sages in those days were the learnt ones or most knoweldgeful people to whom even kings used to go to learn. hence any learnt or knoweldgeful person is like a sage.knowledge is like light (enlightenment) which can dispel darkness (ignorance) and may the visible sungod spreads his light and removes the darkness of the world, as he does on a scientific principle on a daily basis to all countries and all humans alike.with best wishes and blessingspandit arjunwww.rudraksharemedy .comancient_indian_ astrology, r_vani ramakrishnan <r_vani61@.. .> wrote:>> Dear Pandit Arjun,> Namaskar.> You are correct. Most people in not only China and Russia but in entire world> are achieving great things by believing in themselves and in their field of speciality. Astrology is also a great scientific field where our mental faculty to put to test, as I believe. India and the Sastras in India have been well developed in all fields long long ago, say thousands of years ago. They are still available in Sanskrit language texts which we have neglected by so many reasons like foreign rule etc. Learned people like you should come forward and probe the subjects scientifically to bring out the truth. Man's mind is

to be turned inside our-own- selves when the Truth is revealed in various ways according to the speciality of subject that he is pondering over. Thats-how the great Rishis of India have been the forefathers of the sciences like Astrology, Ayurveda, Atma-vidya (spirituality) etc.> Let us hope some great brains will come out from these Astrology group.> With regards,> D.Ramakrishnan.> > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...> wrote: dear friend> > let me give simple answers to your last query.> > most people in communist countries like china and russia believe only > in themselves and dont believe in planets and attribute both success > and failure equally to the proportion of their own efforts. no > wonder they excel in all areas ranging from sports to business.> > most people in developed countries spent decades of

service in > research, innovations and discoveries and they enjoy more than ninety > percent of patents in the world. remember all these invented > MATERIAL wonders which we are enjoying in our daily lives are all the > gifts of these scientists and not descended from the planets.> > in our country india, many people (may be majority but not all)strive > to attribute any and everything to god and planets and treat > themselves as puppets with the strings in the hands of the planets. > astrologers are the engineers or doctors who learn this art of > adjusting the strings firstly by identifying which planet is holding > which part of the native and then adjust, stop, reduce or enhance the > planetary impacts by suggesting various remedies. when you have a > physical problem and visit a doctor you dont go for simple reports > and

predictions, you also go for medicines. similarly astrologers > not only give readings but also prescribe various remedies ranging > from chanting mantras, doing havans, fastings, poojas, abhishekams, > pilgrimages and also wearing various stones, beads etc.> > my concluding observation is that vedic aka mythological aka divine > aka spiritual astrology are all matters of faith and are practiced > only by solicitation by those who have faith. hence any person who > consults or visits an astrologer believes in these faiths and the > astrologer speaks the astro logical language.> > with best wishes and blessings> pandit arjun> www.rudraksharemedy .com> > ancient_indian_ astrology@

. com, Prathamesn Chawan > <upaoakcrest@ > wrote:> >> > i am wondering "who knows who" in these hundered of forums on > astrology ? Most of these forums are required by people to advertise > themselves. You will see many people here having their own webpage > where they can predict your future by "what-not" methods.> > > > One question is always in my mind which is apart from the current > topic..> > > > If astrology is really effective then why its not the MAIN part > of people's life ?> > > > Jagdish> > > > > > > > > > > > chandra_hari18 <chandra_hari18@ > wrote:> > > > Sreenadh did put my name too in that list. So I too may quit the > group> > but without any announcement. What if I

leave a group that it needs > an> > announcement like a Minister resigning from the cabinet?> > > > Self given importance make people act like VIPs. What contributions > do> > we make to astrology, other than distortions? Many big names...? > Many so> > called groups and so many giants stride across which are not worth a> > single penny scientific contribution to Jyotihsastra. Simply fooling> > people with astro-gimmicks.> > > > chandra hari> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Finn Wandahl"> > <finn.wandahl@ > wrote:> > >> > > Dear members,> > >> > > Needless to say, I

agree 100% with Mr. Ramadas Rao.> > >> > > As a consequence of this I have decided to take a break from this> > > group, and therefore I will not be available for debating.> > >> > > Best wishes,> > > Finn Wandahl> > >> > >> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, HosabettuRamadas > Rao> > > ramadasrao@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Sreenadh Ji,> > > > Have you read Prashna Margam, 1st chapter about the qualities > of a> > > good Astrologer ? You think that you are the biggest Astrologer in> > > this world.Dont write such

aggressive words.I think this is not a > good> > > discussion forum for me and I am retiring from your discussion> > > form.Please dont sen any invitation again.> > > > H.R.Rao.> > > >> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ : sreesog@: Fri, 23 Nov 2007> > > 12:40:51 +0000[ancient_indian_ astrology] Blind chart > reading> > > - Where is Rao ji and Goel ji> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear All,> > > > So many people are making very good and bold attempts on the > blind> > > chart reading. Many enthusiastic and knowledgeable members like > Finn> > > ji, Renu ji, Raghavn ji, Srinivas ji, Ravi ji, Neelam Gupta ji, > Durga> >

> ji, VIGHNESH ji, Pandit ji, Sasi Bhushan ji - has sincerely > attempted> > it.> > > > But I don't see two of our most enthusiastic and aggressive > members> > > anywhere in this attempt.> > > > * Goel ji & > > > > * Ramdas Rao ji> > > > They were/are very active in this group and as such I would > expect> > > a reading from them as well. Dear Rao ji and Goel ji please come> > > forward and make your attempt. Once that too is over we will wind-> up> > > this exercise and the results will be announced.> > > > Important:> > > > ----------> > > > * If you are not ready to play the hero by making a winning or> > > losing reading about the same, please don't try to play police > later> > > when everything is

over - such as suggesting it shouldn't be like> > > that, it should be like that; or how could it be so when the > rules are> > > so and so etc. It is very easy to locate such tricky tactics. > > > > * Note that, No Explanations or further discussions are allowed> > > once the final results are revealed.> > > > * No explanations from non-participants are required. Practical> > > astrology is a game for the daring individuals who are bold and> > > sincere enough to accept both success and failure.> > > > Love and regards,Sreenadh> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _> > > > Invite your mail

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Dear venkat ji ,

 

Great post indeed .But i dont know whether ther is apamrityu yogas are to be calculated at a purticular place at purticular time and year >may be some thing secrets should be there still we must un ravel .

But always i find we hav always new things to be learn in case of astrology .

 

thanks Vijayaraghavan guruvayur .

 

 

, R Venkat <rdjvenkat wrote:>> dear pandit ji> > i beg to differ on certain points. for info astrology doesnt work like 1+1=2.> you need mathematical skill no doubt -you need more than that. the practitioner> must have divine grace; queriest should be very earnest in his query (not to test)> definitely you will be answered. it depends on the intensity of the questioner > the answer lies for the correct answer. Qualified astrologers> will definitely tell correctly - again if question asking person shoul be earnest. burning> intensity should be there.> > An very elderly person in my young age used to say for a fraction of second, abamirtyu> yogam happens in a particular point of a time in a day in a place - in those few seconds the natural> attributes of the planets in a person's horoscopes freezes/inactivated. i will elaborate - in chennai triplicane> on 01-12-07 at 3.00 am to 3.01 abamrityu yogam happens - if any one gets trapped in that> place on the particular moment -he is lost though he is okay as per his horoscopes. > > long years back i had a personal experience. i just started like a toddler in astro (i am still )> - i knew few terminology thas all - i did nt know the starting point of lagna on a specific day in a month. though it is a very rudimentary matter to all. i wanted to find Lag for my new born daughter. at that time i was having a book in tamil on an advanced level. i went thru it but nowhere it was mentioned in it how to find out the lagna. since at that time i was living in saudi i did not hv recourse to library or internet facility. one week passed by. my desparation grew. bloody hell no way to find it. 8 or 9th day it was a friday early morning - in my dream i heared a very stern voice telling me " LOOK WHERE THE SUN IS IN THAT MONTH. THAT RASI IS STARTING POINT OF THE LAGNA IN THAT MONTH ". verbatim i reproudced (ofcourse i perceived the voice in tamil - may be due to my monther tongue) It was an unusal voice - like an elerly guru. even now i vividly remember the voice/instance. I woke up immediately, applied it and found the answer. This> lesson of astrology i didnt learn from a book or thru a known teacher ) but given to me within by Him.> > My experience is that with humbleness, prayerful mood & sincerety you approach an astrologer -> even if he is lousy one - he will give you the correct answer. you can try it.> > to cut short - this science (sorry you dont like this word - i will say subject/knowlege) is not as easy as computer programmer does - so many things involve. science is a method where it has to be proved> in a materialistic way. this subject is not like that way works as this esoteric subject. the Seers who> left this to us are advanced in their spirituality. we have to reach that level to understand and apply it.> Mere bhai, fault lies with us - not with the astrology. > > dont bother with the word science. Astrology is upang of vedas (part of shatang of vedas i mean) > > thanks for give me an opprtunity to speak to u. > > > venkat> > > > panditarjun2004 panditarjun2004 > Sunday, December 2, 2007 11:22:18 PM> Re: Blind chart reading - Where is Rao ji and Goel ji> > dear friend> > there are no two opinions in saying that astronomy is a science and > not astrology. most astrologers are striving to explore, perceive > and present astrology as a science which is just not the case. > science is something which works on set parameters with mathematical > exactitude and applies everywhere to everyone. according to > astronomy moon is a satellite (not a planet) and the 27 stars are not > sigle stars. revati has 32 stars in it and satabhisham has 100 stars > in it. astrologically and mythologically speaking moon is a god and > these 27 taras (stars) are his wives. according to the puranas, moon > loves only one star rohini (where moon is exalted!) more than the > other 26 due to which act he was cursed of losing his strength and > upon praying to lord shiva, he blesses moon to lose strength for a > fortnight and gain it again the next fortnight which forms the waning > and waxing of the moon phases. when we attribute the stars, planets > to their lordships viz. hindu forms of gods and goddesses and the > various astrology scriptures including BHPS prescribe mollification > of these gods and goddesses who influence these planets to change > their impacts on human lives, you cannot term it a science under any > parameter.> > take out the birth details of the two hundred of childrens who were > all shot dead in a siege in russia recently and submit them > individually to two hundred best astrologers in the world seeking > their future education, employment and marriage prospects; surely you > would not get even a single astrologer predicting that they would all > die in a terror strike at their tender age. same are the cases with > lakhs died in tsunami or thousands died in earthquake almost at > same. hence the applicability of astrological principles with > mathematical precision need no trials. when we mixed planetary > astrology with hindu mythology, it is purely mythological in nature > squarely based on the foundations of hindu faith and belief. this is > a subject of solicitation and only those having faith in this subject > approaches an astrologer and gets the answers according to this part > astronomical and part mythological subject.> > ayurveda is a science and is a system of medicine recognised by the > government of india, as it works on fixed scientific principles.> > atma jnan is something related to realising the self, simply put > knowing, realising and aligning with the god within. lord krishna in > gita says that for a realised person, vedas (all knowledgeful > scriptures) are useless since he knows the reality which is the god > within. an unrealised person looks for god elsewhere only to find > nowhere outside or find everywhere outside, whereas a realised person > finds the god within. read stories of any of the realised souls and > they dont do mollification of the planets or do daily poojas for the > gods.> > singing glories of the yesteryuga sages is fine but as per > scriptures, all of us are their descendants and each one of us have > our lineage linked to a sage and hence you may find these sages > amongst us and not somewhere on the mountainpeaks or in the clouds. > simply put sages in those days were the learnt ones or most > knoweldgeful people to whom even kings used to go to learn. hence > any learnt or knoweldgeful person is like a sage.> > knowledge is like light (enlightenment) which can dispel darkness > (ignorance) and may the visible sungod spreads his light and removes > the darkness of the world, as he does on a scientific principle on a > daily basis to all countries and all humans alike.> > with best wishes and blessings> pandit arjun> www.rudraksharemedy .com> ancient_indian_ astrology, r_vani ramakrishnan > r_vani61@ .> wrote:> >> > Dear Pandit Arjun,> > Namaskar.> > You are correct. Most people in not only China and Russia but in > entire world> > are achieving great things by believing in themselves and in > their field of speciality. Astrology is also a great scientific > field where our mental faculty to put to test, as I believe. India > and the Sastras in India have been well developed in all fields long > long ago, say thousands of years ago. They are still available in > Sanskrit language texts which we have neglected by so many reasons > like foreign rule etc. Learned people like you should come forward > and probe the subjects scientifically to bring out the truth. Man's > mind is to be turned inside our-own- selves when the Truth is > revealed in various ways according to the speciality of subject that > he is pondering over. Thats-how the great Rishis of India have been > the forefathers of the sciences like Astrology, Ayurveda, Atma-vidya > (spirituality) etc.> > Let us hope some great brains will come out from these Astrology > group.> > With regards,> > D.Ramakrishnan.> > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...> > wrote: dear friend> > > > let me give simple answers to your last query.> > > > most people in communist countries like china and russia believe > only > > in themselves and dont believe in planets and attribute both > success > > and failure equally to the proportion of their own efforts. no > > wonder they excel in all areas ranging from sports to business.> > > > most people in developed countries spent decades of service in > > research, innovations and discoveries and they enjoy more than > ninety > > percent of patents in the world. remember all these invented > > MATERIAL wonders which we are enjoying in our daily lives are all > the > > gifts of these scientists and not descended from the planets.> > > > in our country india, many people (may be majority but not all)> strive > > to attribute any and everything to god and planets and treat > > themselves as puppets with the strings in the hands of the > planets. > > astrologers are the engineers or doctors who learn this art of > > adjusting the strings firstly by identifying which planet is > holding > > which part of the native and then adjust, stop, reduce or enhance > the > > planetary impacts by suggesting various remedies. when you have a > > physical problem and visit a doctor you dont go for simple reports > > and predictions, you also go for medicines. similarly astrologers > > not only give readings but also prescribe various remedies ranging > > from chanting mantras, doing havans, fastings, poojas, > abhishekams, > > pilgrimages and also wearing various stones, beads etc.> > > > my concluding observation is that vedic aka mythological aka > divine > > aka spiritual astrology are all matters of faith and are practiced > > only by solicitation by those who have faith. hence any person > who > > consults or visits an astrologer believes in these faiths and the > > astrologer speaks the astro logical language.> > > > with best wishes and blessings> > pandit arjun> > www.rudraksharemedy .com> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Prathamesn Chawan > > <upaoakcrest@ > wrote:> > >> > > i am wondering "who knows who" in these hundered of forums > on > > astrology ? Most of these forums are required by people to > advertise > > themselves. You will see many people here having their own webpage > > where they can predict your future by "what-not" methods.> > > > > > One question is always in my mind which is apart from the > current > > topic..> > > > > > If astrology is really effective then why its not the MAIN > part > > of people's life ?> > > > > > Jagdish> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chandra_hari18 <chandra_hari18@ > wrote:> > > > > > Sreenadh did put my name too in that list. So I too may quit the > > group> > > but without any announcement. What if I leave a group that it > needs > > an> > > announcement like a Minister resigning from the cabinet?> > > > > > Self given importance make people act like VIPs. What > contributions > > do> > > we make to astrology, other than distortions? Many big names...? > > Many so> > > called groups and so many giants stride across which are not > worth a> > > single penny scientific contribution to Jyotihsastra. Simply > fooling> > > people with astro-gimmicks.> > > > > > chandra hari> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Finn Wandahl"> > > <finn.wandahl@ > wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear members,> > > >> > > > Needless to say, I agree 100% with Mr. Ramadas Rao.> > > >> > > > As a consequence of this I have decided to take a break from > this> > > > group, and therefore I will not be available for debating.> > > >> > > > Best wishes,> > > > Finn Wandahl> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > HosabettuRamadas > > Rao> > > > ramadasrao@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sreenadh Ji,> > > > > Have you read Prashna Margam, 1st chapter about the > qualities > > of a> > > > good Astrologer ? You think that you are the biggest > Astrologer in> > > > this world.Dont write such aggressive words.I think this is > not a > > good> > > > discussion forum for me and I am retiring from your discussion> > > > form.Please dont sen any invitation again.> > > > > H.R.Rao.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ : sreesog@: Fri, 23 Nov 2007> > > > 12:40:51 +0000[ancient_indian_ astrology] Blind chart > > reading> > > > - Where is Rao ji and Goel ji> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear All,> > > > > So many people are making very good and bold attempts on the > > blind> > > > chart reading. Many enthusiastic and knowledgeable members > like > > Finn> > > > ji, Renu ji, Raghavn ji, Srinivas ji, Ravi ji, Neelam Gupta > ji, > > Durga> > > > ji, VIGHNESH ji, Pandit ji, Sasi Bhushan ji - has sincerely > > attempted> > > it.> > > > > But I don't see two of our most enthusiastic and aggressive > > members> > > > anywhere in this attempt.> > > > > * Goel ji & > > > > > * Ramdas Rao ji> > > > > They were/are very active in this group and as such I would > > expect> > > > a reading from them as well. Dear Rao ji and Goel ji please > come> > > > forward and make your attempt. Once that too is over we will > wind-> > up> > > > this exercise and the results will be announced.> > > > > Important:> > > > > ----------> > > > > * If you are not ready to play the hero by making a winning > or> > > > losing reading about the same, please don't try to play police > > later> > > > when everything is over - such as suggesting it shouldn't be > like> > > > that, it should be like that; or how could it be so when the > > rules are> > > > so and so etc. It is very easy to locate such tricky > tactics. > > > > > * Note that, No Explanations or further discussions are > allowed> > > > once the final results are revealed.> > > > > * No explanations from non-participants are required. > Practical> > > > astrology is a game for the daring individuals who are bold and> > > > sincere enough to accept both success and failure.> > > > > Love and regards,Sreenadh> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _> > > > > Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with > Windows> > > > Live Spaces. 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dear krishna ji .

 

Thanks for the appreciation .I always lov ur posts .

 

regrds Vijayaraghavan guruvayur /

 

, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote:>> Dear Raghavan ji,> > Thanks for your balanced views.> > Regards,> Krishna> > lion_draco1983 lion_draco1983 wrote:> > Dear pt.arjun ji .> Namaskaram .> > I feel There is some factual errors in ur mail .> One is moons exaltation degree is 3 degrees ,so its in kartika (or kritika 4th pada ) in taurus sign ,so moon is not exalted in rohini .Rohini is moons nakshatra and its exaltation and moolatrikona sign ,this may be the reason for the alligary in puranas .> > 2nd one is abt nakshatras ,rishis never said Nakshatras are one star or some stars ,its an area in zodiac which covers 13 degree 20 minits .They used nakshatra mandala .> Again ur question abt mass killings or tsunami deaths ,there is collective destiny ,a countrys destiny and may be even every rock has his own destiny as karma is very complex .> > But intead of challenging to predict mass deaths ,did any one realy done resrch on it and established that a full longitivity chart has produced a sudden and untimely death .> U know what rishis called yogayus as its from ur chart and may be certain yogas may indicates good ayus ( longitivity ) ,but if u abuse ur body ,then what will happen ?? U may die young also .> > And rishis told to consider desa ,kaala,patra,paristithi ,> for example --some born in less privilaged lower class can become even president or supreme court judge ,were as it was not the case atleast 100 years back .> > So all this taking into consideration is not showing the lack of base of astrology .> > And u forget when u praised ayurveda ,it has got its own basics and it differs from modern medicine .Ayurveda does not advocate this bacteria theorey and says strong body is enough to ward off all diseases .So is applicable to all sastras ,every thing has its own basics .otherwise tru out world may be there is 35 or more medicinal system is there and each one has its own basics .> > Again astronomy to great extent was part of astrology and astrology was never a part of astronomy .> U think in india old astrologers and astrology community were studying and observing planets and different golamandirams (ancient observatories ) in every state is a good and living proof of it .> > Every sastra has got its own domain ,even strenghts and weaknessess,> Otherwise Why modern scince cannot produce a non corrossive iron pillar like that in delhi ,were as the primitiv technology has done it .> > so we must look out for missing link .> And this group is atleast trying to search the missing links and long lost principles which r being lost or hidden .And again i must say if u hav no problem of ego and fear of loosing then no problem in learning that way .jyothisa is nothing but science of phalas > > But i never said any one will be correct always ,But i am sure we will go in right direction and will learn more from our mistakes> I am not worried abt how sani will look like and its other physical properties sceintificaly .> > But i am every day witness of it in prashna or chart reading or even in his hora .> whether its jew or xian or arab ,i find it tru my interactions with many ppl in kerala as many used visit here .they also simply experincing their karma which is good or bad .> > And ppl saying those who dont blv astro they are coming up and they hav no problems is like ppl those who say i dont blv in electricity as my religion is against it or my master says so or our ideology is against it .but we should not b fatalists> astrology is finaly a science of the results .nothing more and nothing less .> > i hope and think u will take this post in a serious and constructiv way .And we r not arguing to win our arguments .> > with respects and regrds vijaya raghavan guruvayur.> > > > > , "panditarjun2004" panditarjun2004@ wrote:> >> > dear friend> > > > there are no two opinions in saying that astronomy is a science and > > not astrology. most astrologers are striving to explore, perceive > > and present astrology as a science which is just not the case. > > science is something which works on set parameters with mathematical > > exactitude and applies everywhere to everyone. according to > > astronomy moon is a satellite (not a planet) and the 27 stars are not > > sigle stars. revati has 32 stars in it and satabhisham has 100 stars > > in it. astrologically and mythologically speaking moon is a god and > > these 27 taras (stars) are his wives. according to the puranas, moon > > loves only one star rohini (where moon is exalted!) more than the > > other 26 due to which act he was cursed of losing his strength and > > upon praying to lord shiva, he blesses moon to lose strength for a > > fortnight and gain it again the next fortnight which forms the waning > > and waxing of the moon phases. when we attribute the stars, planets > > to their lordships viz. hindu forms of gods and goddesses and the > > various astrology scriptures including BHPS prescribe mollification > > of these gods and goddesses who influence these planets to change > > their impacts on human lives, you cannot term it a science under any > > parameter.> > > > take out the birth details of the two hundred of childrens who were > > all shot dead in a siege in russia recently and submit them > > individually to two hundred best astrologers in the world seeking > > their future education, employment and marriage prospects; surely you > > would not get even a single astrologer predicting that they would all > > die in a terror strike at their tender age. same are the cases with > > lakhs died in tsunami or thousands died in earthquake almost at > > same. hence the applicability of astrological principles with > > mathematical precision need no trials. when we mixed planetary > > astrology with hindu mythology, it is purely mythological in nature > > squarely based on the foundations of hindu faith and belief. this is > > a subject of solicitation and only those having faith in this subject > > approaches an astrologer and gets the answers according to this part > > astronomical and part mythological subject.> > > > ayurveda is a science and is a system of medicine recognised by the > > government of india, as it works on fixed scientific principles.> > > > atma jnan is something related to realising the self, simply put > > knowing, realising and aligning with the god within. lord krishna in > > gita says that for a realised person, vedas (all knowledgeful > > scriptures) are useless since he knows the reality which is the god > > within. an unrealised person looks for god elsewhere only to find > > nowhere outside or find everywhere outside, whereas a realised person > > finds the god within. read stories of any of the realised souls and > > they dont do mollification of the planets or do daily poojas for the > > gods.> > > > singing glories of the yesteryuga sages is fine but as per > > scriptures, all of us are their descendants and each one of us have > > our lineage linked to a sage and hence you may find these sages > > amongst us and not somewhere on the mountainpeaks or in the clouds. > > simply put sages in those days were the learnt ones or most > > knoweldgeful people to whom even kings used to go to learn. hence > > any learnt or knoweldgeful person is like a sage.> > > > knowledge is like light (enlightenment) which can dispel darkness > > (ignorance) and may the visible sungod spreads his light and removes > > the darkness of the world, as he does on a scientific principle on a > > daily basis to all countries and all humans alike.> > > > with best wishes and blessings> > pandit arjun> > www.rudraksharemedy.com> > , r_vani ramakrishnan > > r_vani61@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Pandit Arjun,> > > Namaskar.> > > You are correct. Most people in not only China and Russia but in > > entire world> > > are achieving great things by believing in themselves and in > > their field of speciality. Astrology is also a great scientific > > field where our mental faculty to put to test, as I believe. India > > and the Sastras in India have been well developed in all fields long > > long ago, say thousands of years ago. They are still available in > > Sanskrit language texts which we have neglected by so many reasons > > like foreign rule etc. Learned people like you should come forward > > and probe the subjects scientifically to bring out the truth. Man's > > mind is to be turned inside our-own- selves when the Truth is > > revealed in various ways according to the speciality of subject that > > he is pondering over. Thats-how the great Rishis of India have been > > the forefathers of the sciences like Astrology, Ayurveda, Atma-vidya > > (spirituality) etc.> > > Let us hope some great brains will come out from these Astrology > > group.> > > With regards,> > > D.Ramakrishnan.> > > > > > panditarjun2004 panditarjun2004@ > > wrote: dear friend> > > > > > let me give simple answers to your last query.> > > > > > most people in communist countries like china and russia believe > > only > > > in themselves and dont believe in planets and attribute both > > success > > > and failure equally to the proportion of their own efforts. no > > > wonder they excel in all areas ranging from sports to business.> > > > > > most people in developed countries spent decades of service in > > > research, innovations and discoveries and they enjoy more than > > ninety > > > percent of patents in the world. remember all these invented > > > MATERIAL wonders which we are enjoying in our daily lives are all > > the > > > gifts of these scientists and not descended from the planets.> > > > > > in our country india, many people (may be majority but not all)> > strive > > > to attribute any and everything to god and planets and treat > > > themselves as puppets with the strings in the hands of the > > planets. > > > astrologers are the engineers or doctors who learn this art of > > > adjusting the strings firstly by identifying which planet is > > holding > > > which part of the native and then adjust, stop, reduce or enhance > > the > > > planetary impacts by suggesting various remedies. when you have a > > > physical problem and visit a doctor you dont go for simple reports > > > and predictions, you also go for medicines. similarly astrologers > > > not only give readings but also prescribe various remedies ranging > > > from chanting mantras, doing havans, fastings, poojas, > > abhishekams, > > > pilgrimages and also wearing various stones, beads etc.> > > > > > my concluding observation is that vedic aka mythological aka > > divine > > > aka spiritual astrology are all matters of faith and are practiced > > > only by solicitation by those who have faith. hence any person > > who > > > consults or visits an astrologer believes in these faiths and the > > > astrologer speaks the astro logical language.> > > > > > with best wishes and blessings> > > pandit arjun> > > www.rudraksharemedy.com> > > > > > , Prathamesn Chawan > > > <upaoakcrest@> wrote:> > > >> > > > i am wondering "who knows who" in these hundered of forums > > on > > > astrology ? Most of these forums are required by people to > > advertise > > > themselves. You will see many people here having their own webpage > > > where they can predict your future by "what-not" methods.> > > > > > > > One question is always in my mind which is apart from the > > current > > > topic..> > > > > > > > If astrology is really effective then why its not the MAIN > > part > > > of people's life ?> > > > > > > > Jagdish> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chandra_hari18 <chandra_hari18@> wrote:> > > > > > > > Sreenadh did put my name too in that list. So I too may quit the > > > group> > > > but without any announcement. What if I leave a group that it > > needs > > > an> > > > announcement like a Minister resigning from the cabinet?> > > > > > > > Self given importance make people act like VIPs. What > > contributions > > > do> > > > we make to astrology, other than distortions? Many big names...? > > > Many so> > > > called groups and so many giants stride across which are not > > worth a> > > > single penny scientific contribution to Jyotihsastra. Simply > > fooling> > > > people with astro-gimmicks.> > > > > > > > chandra hari> > > > > > > > , "Finn Wandahl"> > > > <finn.wandahl@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear members,> > > > >> > > > > Needless to say, I agree 100% with Mr. Ramadas Rao.> > > > >> > > > > As a consequence of this I have decided to take a break from > > this> > > > > group, and therefore I will not be available for debating.> > > > >> > > > > Best wishes,> > > > > Finn Wandahl> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > , > > HosabettuRamadas > > > Rao> > > > > ramadasrao@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Sreenadh Ji,> > > > > > Have you read Prashna Margam, 1st chapter about the > > qualities > > > of a> > > > > good Astrologer ? You think that you are the biggest > > Astrologer in> > > > > this world.Dont write such aggressive words.I think this is > > not a > > > good> > > > > discussion forum for me and I am retiring from your discussion> > > > > form.Please dont sen any invitation again.> > > > > > H.R.Rao.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > @: sreesog@: Fri, 23 Nov 2007> > > > > 12:40:51 +0000 Blind chart > > > reading> > > > > - Where is Rao ji and Goel ji> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear All,> > > > > > So many people are making very good and bold attempts on the > > > blind> > > > > chart reading. Many enthusiastic and knowledgeable members > > like > > > Finn> > > > > ji, Renu ji, Raghavn ji, Srinivas ji, Ravi ji, Neelam Gupta > > ji, > > > Durga> > > > > ji, VIGHNESH ji, Pandit ji, Sasi Bhushan ji - has sincerely > > > attempted> > > > it.> > > > > > But I don't see two of our most enthusiastic and aggressive > > > members> > > > > anywhere in this attempt.> > > > > > * Goel ji & > > > > > > * Ramdas Rao ji> > > > > > They were/are very active in this group and as such I would > > > expect> > > > > a reading from them as well. Dear Rao ji and Goel ji please > > come> > > > > forward and make your attempt. Once that too is over we will > > wind-> > > up> > > > > this exercise and the results will be announced.> > > > > > Important:> > > > > > ----------> > > > > > * If you are not ready to play the hero by making a winning > > or> > > > > losing reading about the same, please don't try to play police > > > later> > > > > when everything is over - such as suggesting it shouldn't be > > like> > > > > that, it should be like that; or how could it be so when the > > > rules are> > > > > so and so etc. It is very easy to locate such tricky > > tactics. > > > > > > * Note that, No Explanations or further discussions are > > allowed> > > > > once the final results are revealed.> > > > > > * No explanations from non-participants are required. > > Practical> > > > > astrology is a game for the daring individuals who are bold and> > > > > sincere enough to accept both success and failure.> > > > > > Love and regards,Sreenadh> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ________> > > > > > Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with > > Windows> > > > > Live Spaces. It's easy!> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?> > > wx_action=create & wx_url=/friends.a\> > > > spx & mkt=en-us> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside > > Mail. > > > See how.> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Explore your hobbies and interests. Click here to begin.> > >> >> > > > > > > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.>

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dear Mr. sreenadh

I fully agree with Sri pandit arjun. U took the role

of a judge giving the final judgement on members

participation/non participation. It is high time u

stop this practice and continue with ur noble gesture

of enlightening members with astro topics. I hope u

will take this mail contents in the right spirit and

continue to share ur knowledge so much so as other

members are trying to share.

 

good wishes,

k.gopu

 

 

 

 

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