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Guest guest Posted November 19, 2007 Report Share Posted November 19, 2007 recently there has appered a news on times tv about the birth time of ld sh rama. the person there has made tremendous efforts by studying different purans, valmiky ramayana,tulsi ramayana and tried to calculate the date keeping in consideration the events . ritu lagna, nakshatra and other astrological combination and matching them and extrapolating them on astronomical software of NASA. by this he has fixed the date as jan-10, 5114 BC I tried to calculate the horoscope of lord rama with above date with the software I luckily have by feeding above date and year as - 5114 and time as 12.30 pm I found the planets in following rasis . LAgna -4 moon-4 pushya nakshatra jup-4 sat-8,sun-1,mer-12,ven-12,mar-10,rahu-10,ket-4 but the above combination does not match with the combinatin available in cassics like moon in punarvasu so I changed the ayanamsa a little bit (by 7 degrres) and found the followind rasis of planets after ayanamsa change lagna -4 moon -4 punarvasu nakshatra jup-4,sat-7,sun-12, mer-12,ven-12,mar-10,rahu-9,ketu-3 i calculated above at 12.20 pm. keepin in view that software might make error in calculating ayanamsa for such a back date , adustment by 7 deggrees may be justified and planetry combinatin reached as above has all combinatins given for lord rama i/c shukla navmi thithi and five planets in swochh. any comments for above are welcome and if any other person can make horoscope of rama in a more precise and accurate way ,he is most welcome kishore patnaik <kishorepatnaik09 wrote: http://www.organiser.org/dynamic/modules.php?name=Content & pa=showpage & pid=203 & pa\ ge=28 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2007 Report Share Posted November 21, 2007 Dear Mr. Rao, The time keeping in Ramayana and Mahabharata periods was on yuga of five Samvatsara and each yuga was contaning 62 .months. It is not certain when the practise of adjusting of this yuga cycle at the interval of 19 years was introduced as per reference given in Mahabharata. It is also not clear how birth data was mentioned in those days. We are applying mathematical rules which were certainly not possible to apply in those days. This opens up following possibilities: 1. Mathematical method of indicating the tithis- This should be ruled out strait away 2. the method of indicating thithis as ruling at the time of Sun rise - this is almost same as first possibility 3. Counting the days from new moon and full moon-this was the practical way as yuga system was operating on the same basis. Now imagine a situation that New-Moon occurs within one hour of Sun rise and Moon's motion is about 15deg a day. Then the next day will be ruled by 2ND TITHI and will be called as 1st day of the month according to civil calender prevalent in those days. Naturally 9th day from New moon will be called 9th day , but ruling tithi will be 8th. This is a matter of common occurrence even now a days.Kindly scan the Panchang and compare lunar days with Saka solar based dates, such anomaly can be discovered immediately. As such , Sun was in initial portion of sign Aries and Moon can easily occupying last pada of Punarvasu at time of Birth of Lord Shri Rama..Bharat was born in PISCES Lagna and Pushya Nakshatra. Similarly Lakshaman and Shatrughan were born next day in Cancer Lagna ,Ashlesha Nakshatra when Sun was in Aries in dignity in sky i.e. Noon time this is the clear meaning of word Ravao). Regards, G.K.GOELPh: 09350311433Add: L-409, SARITA VIHARNEW DELHI-110 076INDIA Ramadas Rao <ramadasraoGopal Goel <gkgoel1937Cc: kishorepatnaik09Sent: Wednesday, 21 November, 2007 8:31:59 PMRe: naastrology Re: Horoscope of Lord Rama Dear Goel Ji, Thanks for your mail.So now after reading your mail and Shri Patnaik's mail,what would be the birth details of Shri Ramachandra ?Because if Sun is exalted ie., 9-10 Degs.of Mesha Rashi, then Moon can not be in Punarvasu and it has to be Pushyami.So what would be your inputs in this connection ? With Regards, Ramadas Rao.Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 wrote: Dear Pataik, Your mail filled my heart with joy.. As regards the difference in attitudes and happening in the life of Shri lakchaman and Satrughan , this can be foreseen very easily by following methods being the case of twine birth(irrespective of the fact weather Varga charts are known or not known ). Step 1. Analyse the chart of elder brother ,considering two lagnas 1. Ascending sign , 2. second sign falling in 11th house - this will also give another Lagna pada also,thus elder Will have twine Lagnas. Step 2. Similarly ,in the case of younger brother ,the combination of 1st and 3rd houses are to be considered The difference in the life of both twine brothers will be crystal clear. All of us will await your analysis on this basis. This will also prove the authenticity of nativities adopted by all of us. Regards G.K.GOELPh: 09350311433Add: L-409, SARITA VIHARNEW DELHI-110 076INDIA kishore patnaik <kishorepatnaik09vedic astrology ; ; Astro_Remedies ; ; "lalkitab " <lalkitab >; naastrology ; ; ; sohamsa ; Vedic Astrology-Hyderabad ; jyotish_gangaSent: Thursday, 8 November, 2007 8:59:25 PMnaastrology Re: Horoscope of Lord Rama Dear all,It is a matter of our merits that have been accumulated during our earlierbirths that we are spending this Diwali in the chant of Rama, rather thanwasting our time otherwise. I wish everyone on the group a merry and a holyDiwali.Srimad Ramayana is a depository of several yogic and cosmic secrets. Foreg., Sree Sundara Kanda is directly interpreted as the search of a yogi forthe Kundalini downtrodden from Sahasrara to Muladhara. In fact, when I haveraised the question, I have expected the Likes of PVR to search for ananswer in that angle too,.Now, coming back to astrology, I always wondered why Valmiki had made somuch out of the planetary positions of Rama when all the four brothers haveshared the same D1, with Bharata's lagna being 9 houses away from others, awatery and shubha sthana nevertheless. More poignantly, shatrughan hasshared the same D1 yet, he enjoyed a normal and smooth life, with somevictories (such as over Ilasura) in his credit, as against the turbulentlife that Rama has suffered.I think the secret lies in the Divisional charts.It is needless to point out that Moon of Sri Rama enjoys a Vargottama. AsVisti has pointed out that it is quite possible that moon is at the very endof 4th pada of the asterism and this will make the Sun being in the lastpada of Pisces(possibly) This will make the sun also vargottama.Now, sun must be betwen 27-30 degrees of the pisces, which will take thelagna to complete the same in 12 minutes. The remaining lagnas of Aries,Tarurus and Gemini can be complete in almost 6 hours - not withstanding the12 minutes above- making the abhihjt lagna a possibility. In such an event, the lagna also falls in the first pada of Cancer, which will make lagnaalso vargottama.Now, I leave to the Group to discuss further if I am missing something.regards,Kishore patnaik98492 70729 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 Dear Goal ji, ==> > One can not find every thing Ramayana.It is a scripture which refers astrological references wherever necessary. This is not the book of astrology or astronomy. <== If you CANNOT FIND your favorite 5 year Yuga system in Ramayana - then please DON'T ASCRIBE it to Ramayana, to spill dust in the eyes of truth seekers. ==> > You have to co-relate with other classics of that era. <== When you don't know the era of the texts, how are you going to co- relate it? Take your example itself - You ascribe Ramayana a period of somewhere near 5000 BC and Mahabharata some where around 3000 BC!! Are they of same era in your words? On what grounds you are deciding this era? In whose eyes you are trying to put the dust? Please see the facts - and speak based on that. Regards, Sreenadh , Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 wrote: > > Dear Sreenadh, > If you feel Valmiki Ramayana is the work of 2nd century , then there is no platform to discuss further. > One can not find every thing Ramayana.It is a scripture which refers astrological references wherever necessary. This is not the book of astrology or astronomy. > You have to co-relate with other classics of that era. > Regards, > > > G.K.GOEL > Ph: 09350311433 > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > NEW DELHI-110 076 > INDIA > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog > > Thursday, 22 November, 2007 3:50:51 PM > naastrology Re: Horoscope of Lord Rama > > Dear Goel ji, > > Vishnu Puran Second AnshCH-8,... .. > There could be a thousand things in Puranas. But we are speaking > about Epics (MBh and Valmiki Ramayana). In the context of epics Yuga > usually means Chatur Yuga (Krita, Treta, Dwapara, Kali) and NOT the > Pancha varsheeya Yugas (5 year yugas) with years named " Sam vatsar, > Pari vatsar, Ida vatsar, Anu vatsar,Vatsar " . > * Can you quote the exact verse in Valmiki Ramayana that speaks > about 5 year Yuga system? (I couldn't find any). If there is none, > then how can you render a statement such as " The time keeping in > Ramayana and Mahabharata periods was on yuga of five Samvatsara and > each yuga was containing 62 months " and so on?! > But you are right in stating that the civil calendar of vedic period > (not of 2nd century ramayana period) could be of the style you > mentioned. > Regards, > Sreenadh > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Gopal Goel > <gkgoel1937@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Sreenadh, > > Like yoga , yuga is a term which is used widely and for many > purposes. > > Let not use only for Sata yuda etc . > > Refer Adiparva of Mahabharata cH 124 SLOKA 22: > > " Five sons of Pandu are very dignified persons in the klan of Kuru > dynasty and were born at the interval > > of one year, like group of five samvats .. " > > Vishnu Puran Second AnshCH-8,Sloka 69 to 73 clearly states: > > Yuga of five years has five Samvatsar which are named in this > order-Sanvatsar, Parivatsar, edvatsar, > > Anuvatsar ,and fifth oneVatsar. > > After 19years ,they used to drop vastar year, and again new cycle > of 5yuga will commence. > > YOU MUST BE KNOWING THE REASON OF DOING SO. > > FIVE YUGA calender was there civil calender. No society can exist > without a simple civil calender. > > I never give miss information . their is always room for better > understanding, . > > Regards > > > > G.K.GOEL > > Ph: 09350311433 > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > > NEW DELHI-110 076 > > INDIA > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@ > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > Thursday, 22 November, 2007 10:22:56 AM > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] naastrology Re: Horoscope of > Lord Rama > > > > Dear Goal ji, > > ==> > > > The time keeping in Ramayana and Mahabharata periods was on yuga > of > > > five Samvatsara and each yuga was containing 62 .months. > > <== > > This is not true - and the fact is clearly visible to anyone who > > read Ramayana or Mahabharata. Numerous mention of Kaliyuga, > Kritayuga > > etc are present in those texts. Of course it would clear to anyone > > with minimum understanding that Krita, Treta, Dwapara, Kali - Yugas > > are not referring to 5 year Yugas. The 5 year yuga years are names > > Eda vatsara, Pari vatsara etc. > > So question is - Are you sincerely making such statements or > > intentional misinterpretation or lack of understanding? > > Regards, > > Sreenadh > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Gopal Goel > > <gkgoel1937@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Mr. Rao, > > > The time keeping in Ramayana and Mahabharata periods was on yuga > of > > five Samvatsara and each yuga was contaning 62 .months. > > > It is not certain when the practise of adjusting of this yuga > cycle > > at the interval of 19 years was introduced as per reference given > in > > Mahabharata. > > > > > > It is also not clear how birth data was mentioned in those days. > We > > are applying mathematical rules which were certainly not possible > to > > apply in those days. > > > This opens up following possibilities: > > > 1. Mathematical method of indicating the tithis- This should be > > ruled out strait away > > > 2. the method of indicating thithis as ruling at the time of Sun > > rise - this is almost same as first possibility > > > 3. Counting the days from new moon and full moon-this was the > > practical way as yuga system was operating on the same basis. > > > Now imagine a situation that New-Moon occurs within one hour of > Sun > > rise and Moon's motion is about 15deg a day. Then the next day will > > be ruled by > > > 2ND TITHI and will be called as 1st day of the month according to > > civil calender prevalent in those days. Naturally 9th day from New > > moon will be called 9th day , > > > but ruling tithi will be 8th. This is a matter of common > > occurrence even now a days.Kindly scan the Panchang and compare > lunar > > days with Saka solar based dates, > > > such anomaly can be discovered immediately. > > > As such , Sun was in initial portion of sign Aries and Moon can > > easily occupying last pada of Punarvasu at time of Birth of Lord > Shri > > Rama..Bharat was born in PISCES Lagna and Pushya Nakshatra. > > > Similarly Lakshaman and Shatrughan were born next day in Cancer > > Lagna ,Ashlesha Nakshatra when Sun was in Aries in dignity in sky > > i.e. Noon time this is the clear meaning > > > of word Ravao). > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > G.K.GOEL > > > Ph: 09350311433 > > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > > > NEW DELHI-110 076 > > > INDIA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramadas Rao <ramadasrao@ ....> > > > Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@ ...> > > > Cc: kishorepatnaik09@ ... > > > Wednesday, 21 November, 2007 8:31:59 PM > > > Re: naastrology Re: Horoscope of Lord Rama > > > > > > > > > Dear Goel Ji, > > > Thanks for your mail.So now after reading your mail and Shri > > Patnaik's mail,what would be the birth details of Shri Ramachandra ? > > Because if Sun is exalted ie., 9-10 Degs.of Mesha Rashi, then Moon > > can not be in Punarvasu and it has to be Pushyami.So what would be > > your inputs in this connection ? > > > With Regards, > > > Ramadas Rao. > > > > > > Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@ ...> wrote: > > > Dear Pataik, > > > Your mail filled my heart with joy.. > > > As regards the difference in attitudes and happening in the life > > of Shri lakchaman and Satrughan , this can be foreseen very easily > > by following methods being the case of twine birth(irrespective of > > the fact weather Varga charts are known or not known ). > > > Step 1. Analyse the chart of elder brother ,considering two > lagnas > > 1. Ascending sign , 2. second sign falling in 11th house - this > will > > also give another Lagna pada also,thus elder Will have twine Lagnas. > > > > > > Step 2. Similarly ,in the case of younger brother ,the > combination > > of 1st and 3rd houses are to be considered > > > The difference in the life of both twine brothers will be crystal > > clear. > > > All of us will await your analysis on this basis. > > > This will also prove the authenticity of nativities adopted by > all > > of us. > > > Regards > > > > > > G.K.GOEL > > > Ph: 09350311433 > > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > > > NEW DELHI-110 076 > > > INDIA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kishore patnaik <kishorepatnaik09@ ...> > > > vedic astrology; ancient_indian_ > astrology@ ...; > > Astro_Remedies; " @ . com " > > <>; " lalkitab@grou p s.com " > > <lalkitab@grou p s.com>; naastrology@ . . com; SJC- > > Africa ; ; > > sohamsa@ .com; Vedic Astrology- Hyderabad@ . > com; > > jyotish_ganga@ ... > > > Thursday, 8 November, 2007 8:59:25 PM > > > naastrology Re: Horoscope of Lord Rama > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > It is a matter of our merits that have been accumulated during > our > > earlier > > > births that we are spending this Diwali in the chant of Rama, > > rather than > > > wasting our time otherwise. I wish everyone on the group a merry > > and a holy > > > Diwali. > > > > > > Srimad Ramayana is a depository of several yogic and cosmic > > secrets. For > > > eg., Sree Sundara Kanda is directly interpreted as the search of > a > > yogi for > > > the Kundalini downtrodden from Sahasrara to Muladhara. In fact, > > when I have > > > raised the question, I have expected the Likes of PVR to search > for > > an > > > answer in that angle too,. > > > > > > Now, coming back to astrology, I always wondered why Valmiki had > > made so > > > much out of the planetary positions of Rama when all the four > > brothers have > > > shared the same D1, with Bharata's lagna being 9 houses away from > > others, a > > > watery and shubha sthana nevertheless. More poignantly, > shatrughan > > has > > > shared the same D1 yet, he enjoyed a normal and smooth life, with > > some > > > victories (such as over Ilasura) in his credit, as against the > > turbulent > > > life that Rama has suffered. > > > > > > I think the secret lies in the Divisional charts. > > > > > > It is needless to point out that Moon of Sri Rama enjoys a > > Vargottama. As > > > Visti has pointed out that it is quite possible that moon is at > the > > very end > > > of 4th pada of the asterism and this will make the Sun being in > the > > last > > > pada of Pisces(possibly) This will make the sun also vargottama. > > > > > > Now, sun must be betwen 27-30 degrees of the pisces, which will > > take the > > > lagna to complete the same in 12 minutes. The remaining lagnas of > > Aries, > > > Tarurus and Gemini can be complete in almost 6 hours - not > > withstanding the > > > 12 minutes above- making the abhihjt lagna a possibility. In such > > an event > > > , the lagna also falls in the first pada of Cancer, which will > make > > lagna > > > also vargottama. > > > > > > Now, I leave to the Group to discuss further if I am missing > > something.. > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Kishore patnaik > > > 98492 70729 > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 oá¹ gurave namaḥ Dear Goel sahib To some points I agree while to others I cannot for obvious reasons that I give below. Shri Patnaik: If we take the normal Lunar Tithi as 12 degrees, and assume that the birth information of Shri Raama is for this definition then the NavamÄ« Tithi starts at 96 degrees separation between the Sun and Moon. 12 X 8 = 96 degrees. And 12 x9 = 108 degrees. So Moon has to be between 96-108 degrees i.e 3s 6 deg – 3s 18deg. If Sun is at 0 degrees of Aries then Moon is in 6-18 degrees of Cancer in Shri Raama’s birth chart. I have done some calculations based on this spatial distance which is perhaps available in the web. The turbulence in the lifes of Raama and lakshmana was because they had similar Lagna with similar planetary positions while for Bharat and Satrughana the Lagna itself was different The difference between the D1 charts of Shri Raama and Shri Lakshmana was in the Panchanga related to their birth dates. Janma Naká¹£atra of Shri Raama is Pushya, making Brihaspati and Pisces raashi very favorable (Maharshi vaakya bodhakai viraajamaana vakpatai, Saroja janma sevitam tatha krupaa bhidhiyatam) Janma Naká¹£atra of Lakshmana is AsleÅ›Ä making him negative to Pisces/Sagittarius. From difference in Janma Naká¹£atra + Lagna combo, we see à Thus when Bharata approached them as they headed out towards the jungles, Lakshamana distrusted and wanted to battle him while Shri Raama correctly understood the true intentions of Bharata. Bharata was born I Pisces Lagna. See the difference in Janma Naká¹£atra. Best Wishes Sanjay Rath -------------------- * 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India 4  http://srath.com, http://sagittariuspublications.com & (En) http://sohamsa.com, (EU) http://siva-edu-com, (Non-Profit) http://.org ( +91.11.42430122 (India), (650) 209-4770 (USA), SkypeID: sriguruji ------- Gopal Goel [gkgoel1937] Friday, November 23, 2007 3:30 PM Ramadas Rao Cc: P.V.R. Narasimha Rao; Sanjay Rath Re: naastrology Re: Horoscope of Lord Rama Dear Rao ji, The movement of planets was observed in the background of constellations and stars. Then Nakshatra and there after Sidereal signs were introduced. [sanjay Rath:] There is no doubt that the naká¹£atra or constellation based astrology was the origin of Vedic astrology as the entire evolution of the science is based on the BINDU dropping from the sky. Now sky refers to the stars in the sky which is the fixed visible zodiac of 27 constellations/naká¹£atra to be precise. Even the movement of equinoxes and Solstices were recognised only in the back ground of stars. [sanjay Rath:] Equinoxes and solstices can be measured against some fixed background, and the only fixed background is the stars in the sky. Is there any other background in the sky?? The introduction of Tropical signs is a late development , probably after Mahabharata era. [sanjay Rath:] That is not right. The chronology maybe disputed and I have always stayed out of disputes as I find them to be more of a waste of time these days as knowledge is very half baked. However there is no dispute to the order of the Classical literature. The Mahabharata is a record of the events that happened much AFTER PARASHARA. Maharshi Parashara left his mortal body even before Kṛṣṇa Dvipaayana was chosen as the Vedavyaasa in the sabha of Bheeshma. This is one prediction Parashara makes in the Vishnu PurÄṇa and then the Vishnu PurÄṇa is definitely older than the Mahabharata, so we cannot say that the Signs of the zodiac were introduced after Mahabharata. In India , Tropical signs may have been introduced around 2000 B.C. [sanjay Rath:] I am leaving debating on dates for the present. EVEN TODAY IT IS NOT CLEAR THE TYPE OF CALENDER WAS IN USE IN RAMAYANA ERA. AYANAMSA WAS NOT REQUIRED IN THOSE DAYS. WE ARE TRY TO FIX THE DATE OF BIRTH [sanjay Rath:] Why was Ayanamasha  not required? OF LORD RAMA BASED ON PRINCIPLE OF OUR PRESENT SAMVAT CALENDER,WHICH IS PROBABLY NOT RIGHT THE APPROACH. [sanjay Rath:] Maybe what you say is right as I do know of two other approaches to the Tithi. THIS IS THE REASON THAT EVERY BODY IS GETTING DIFFERENT DATES. [sanjay Rath:] The Civil Calendar was not based on the Lunar months as you are assuming. The root of the Savanna Calendar is the Heptagram. The first year of the Yuga always started with Asvina (meaning Solar ingress into the AÅ›vinÄ« naká¹£atra) to ensure that it was in harmony with the actual samvatsara (i.e. the solar movement in 12 signs). However the shortfall of 5.25 days needs adjustment, which I think could have been marginally different in those days due to the motion of the Earth towards the Sun making every year shorter by fractions of a second. The Solar year cycles line up with the lunar calendar in 5, 19 years…etc depending on approximation used, but to what extent can they be said to be aligned with the 360 days Savanna Calendar? In 5 solar years we would need to add 5.25 x 5 = 27.5 days in the Savanna calendar today! Let’s face a fact. The Savanna calendar was a simplistic calendar used for civil purposes like agriculture, taxation, salaries etc. It cannot serve the purpose of the educated Maharishi’s nor the highly educated royalty those days. Making horoscopes with them maybe next to impossible. The educated Brahmanas always used the solar calendar and even as recent as 30-50 years back my grandfather did not use the Gregorian calendar but stuck to the solar calendar where he always recorded dates as *reckoned from sankranti*. I have attempted to stick to the same by meticuloysly adhering to SÅ«rya at least until I find a very very valid reason to deviate. Regards, G.K.GOEL Ph: 09350311433 Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR NEW DELHI-110 076 INDIA Ramadas Rao <ramadasrao Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 Wednesday, 21 November, 2007 10:24:28 PM Re: naastrology Re: Horoscope of Lord Rama Dear Goel Ji, Namaste. Thanks for your explanations.Then what is the date of birth of Lord Rama we have to consider ?What is the Ayanamsha used ? With Regards, Ramadas Rao. Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 wrote: Dear Mr. Rao, The time keeping in Ramayana and Mahabharata periods was on yuga of five Samvatsara and each yuga was contaning 62 .months. It is not certain when the practise of adjusting of this yuga cycle at the interval of 19 years was introduced as per reference given in Mahabharata. It is also not clear how birth data was mentioned in those days. We are applying mathematical rules which were certainly not possible to apply in those days. This opens up following possibilities: 1. Mathematical method of indicating the tithis- This should be ruled out strait away 2. the method of indicating thithis as ruling at the time of Sun rise - this is almost same as first possibility 3. Counting the days from new moon and full moon-this was the practical way as yuga system was operating on the same basis. Now imagine a situation that New-Moon occurs within one hour of Sun rise and Moon's motion is about 15deg a day. Then the next day will be ruled by 2ND TITHI and will be called as 1st day of the month according to civil calender prevalent in those days. Naturally 9th day from New moon will be called 9th day , but ruling tithi will be 8th. This is a matter of common occurrence even now a days.Kindly scan the Panchang and compare lunar days with Saka solar based dates, such anomaly can be discovered immediately. As such , Sun was in initial portion of sign Aries and Moon can easily occupying last pada of Punarvasu at time of Birth of Lord Shri Rama..Bharat was born in PISCES Lagna and Pushya Nakshatra. Similarly Lakshaman and Shatrughan were born next day in Cancer Lagna ,Ashlesha Nakshatra when Sun was in Aries in dignity in sky i.e. Noon time this is the clear meaning of word Ravao). Regards, G.K.GOEL Ph: 09350311433 Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR NEW DELHI-110 076 INDIA Ramadas Rao <ramadasrao Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 Cc: kishorepatnaik09 Wednesday, 21 November, 2007 8:31:59 PM Re: naastrology Re: Horoscope of Lord Rama Dear Goel Ji, Thanks for your mail.So now after reading your mail and Shri Patnaik's mail,what would be the birth details of Shri Ramachandra ?Because if Sun is exalted ie., 9-10 Degs.of Mesha Rashi, then Moon can not be in Punarvasu and it has to be Pushyami.So what would be your inputs in this connection ? With Regards, Ramadas Rao. Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 wrote: Dear Pataik, Your mail filled my heart with joy.. As regards the difference in attitudes and happening in the life of Shri lakchaman and Satrughan , this can be foreseen very easily by following methods being the case of twine birth(irrespective of the fact weather Varga charts are known or not known ). Step 1. Analyse the chart of elder brother ,considering two lagnas 1. Ascending sign , 2. second sign falling in 11th house - this will also give another Lagna pada also,thus elder Will have twine Lagnas. Step 2. Similarly ,in the case of younger brother ,the combination of 1st and 3rd houses are to be considered The difference in the life of both twine brothers will be crystal clear. All of us will await your analysis on this basis. This will also prove the authenticity of nativities adopted by all of us. Regards G.K.GOEL Ph: 09350311433 Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR NEW DELHI-110 076 INDIA kishore patnaik <kishorepatnaik09 vedic astrology ; ; Astro_Remedies ; " " ; " lalkitab " <lalkitab >; naastrology ; ; ; sohamsa ; Vedic Astrology-Hyderabad ; jyotish_ganga Thursday, 8 November, 2007 8:59:25 PM naastrology Re: Horoscope of Lord Rama Dear all, It is a matter of our merits that have been accumulated during our earlier births that we are spending this Diwali in the chant of Rama, rather than wasting our time otherwise. I wish everyone on the group a merry and a holy Diwali. Srimad Ramayana is a depository of several yogic and cosmic secrets. For eg., Sree Sundara Kanda is directly interpreted as the search of a yogi for the Kundalini downtrodden from Sahasrara to Muladhara. In fact, when I have raised the question, I have expected the Likes of PVR to search for an answer in that angle too,. Now, coming back to astrology, I always wondered why Valmiki had made so much out of the planetary positions of Rama when all the four brothers have shared the same D1, with Bharata's lagna being 9 houses away from others, a watery and shubha sthana nevertheless. More poignantly, shatrughan has shared the same D1 yet, he enjoyed a normal and smooth life, with some victories (such as over Ilasura) in his credit, as against the turbulent life that Rama has suffered. I think the secret lies in the Divisional charts. It is needless to point out that Moon of Sri Rama enjoys a Vargottama. As Visti has pointed out that it is quite possible that moon is at the very end of 4th pada of the asterism and this will make the Sun being in the last pada of Pisces(possibly) This will make the sun also vargottama. Now, sun must be betwen 27-30 degrees of the pisces, which will take the lagna to complete the same in 12 minutes. The remaining lagnas of Aries, Tarurus and Gemini can be complete in almost 6 hours - not withstanding the 12 minutes above- making the abhihjt lagna a possibility. In such an event , the lagna also falls in the first pada of Cancer, which will make lagna also vargottama. Now, I leave to the Group to discuss further if I am missing something. regards, Kishore patnaik 98492 70729 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2007 Report Share Posted November 24, 2007 Dear Rao ji. We are not among the group of persons who feels Valmiki Ramayan was created in 2nd century A.D. ; or sloka given in the Ramayana are introduced at a latter date. Once we agree that the sloka on the birth of lord Rama are originally contributed by Sage Valmiki, ( again almost identical details given by sage Vayasa in Adhyatma Ramayan),at least an attempt should not be made to alter this data. Basic data is as under: After yagna ,on expiry of six Ritus ,in12th month of Chaitra Sukla ,9th thithi,Punarvasu nakshayra, when five planets were in own and exaltation signs, Ascending sign ' 'Cancer' with Jupiter and Moon. , Lord Jagannath appeared. After that Bharta was born and thereafter Lakshaman and Satrughan ,as twins , were born. Bharat is pushya Jatak and Pisces ASCENDANT.Both twins of Sumitra are sarpo(Ashlesha) Jatak with cancer Lagna (KULEER) ,Sun in dignity(RAVAO). In this context ,Ravao means ,Noon time.Adhyatma Ramayan says ,Sun was in Aries. This basic data should not change. Moon was in punarvasu. When sign CANCER rose next day ,Moon had already crossed Pushya and entered Aslesha.Moon's motion was faster than 13deg 20 '. On those days thithis were counted from new moon or full moon. If new moon occurred just after sun rise . on the day of Lord Rama's birth 9th day was ruling and thithi was 8th, which is both mathematical and practical possibility. Regards, G.K.GOELPh: 09350311433 L-409, SARITA VIHARNEW DELHI-110 076INDIA Ramadas Rao <ramadasraoGopal Goel <gkgoel1937Cc: kishorepatnaik09Sent: Wednesday, 21 November, 2007 8:31:59 PMRe: naastrology Re: Horoscope of Lord Rama Dear Goel Ji, Thanks for your mail.So now after reading your mail and Shri Patnaik's mail,what would be the birth details of Shri Ramachandra ?Because if Sun is exalted ie., 9-10 Degs.of Mesha Rashi, then Moon can not be in Punarvasu and it has to be Pushyami.So what would be your inputs in this connection ? With Regards, Ramadas Rao.Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 wrote: Dear Pataik, Your mail filled my heart with joy.. As regards the difference in attitudes and happening in the life of Shri lakchaman and Satrughan , this can be foreseen very easily by following methods being the case of twine birth(irrespective of the fact weather Varga charts are known or not known ). Step 1. Analyse the chart of elder brother ,considering two lagnas 1. Ascending sign , 2. second sign falling in 11th house - this will also give another Lagna pada also,thus elder Will have twine Lagnas. Step 2. Similarly ,in the case of younger brother ,the combination of 1st and 3rd houses are to be considered The difference in the life of both twine brothers will be crystal clear. All of us will await your analysis on this basis. This will also prove the authenticity of nativities adopted by all of us. Regards G.K.GOELPh: 09350311433Add: L-409, SARITA VIHARNEW DELHI-110 076INDIA kishore patnaik <kishorepatnaik09vedic astrology ; ; Astro_Remedies ; ; "lalkitab " <lalkitab >; naastrology ; ; ; sohamsa ; Vedic Astrology-Hyderabad ; jyotish_gangaSent: Thursday, 8 November, 2007 8:59:25 PMnaastrology Re: Horoscope of Lord Rama Dear all,It is a matter of our merits that have been accumulated during our earlierbirths that we are spending this Diwali in the chant of Rama, rather thanwasting our time otherwise. I wish everyone on the group a merry and a holyDiwali.Srimad Ramayana is a depository of several yogic and cosmic secrets. Foreg., Sree Sundara Kanda is directly interpreted as the search of a yogi forthe Kundalini downtrodden from Sahasrara to Muladhara. In fact, when I haveraised the question, I have expected the Likes of PVR to search for ananswer in that angle too,.Now, coming back to astrology, I always wondered why Valmiki had made somuch out of the planetary positions of Rama when all the four brothers haveshared the same D1, with Bharata's lagna being 9 houses away from others, awatery and shubha sthana nevertheless. More poignantly, shatrughan hasshared the same D1 yet, he enjoyed a normal and smooth life, with somevictories (such as over Ilasura) in his credit, as against the turbulentlife that Rama has suffered.I think the secret lies in the Divisional charts.It is needless to point out that Moon of Sri Rama enjoys a Vargottama. AsVisti has pointed out that it is quite possible that moon is at the very endof 4th pada of the asterism and this will make the Sun being in the lastpada of Pisces(possibly) This will make the sun also vargottama.Now, sun must be betwen 27-30 degrees of the pisces, which will take thelagna to complete the same in 12 minutes. The remaining lagnas of Aries,Tarurus and Gemini can be complete in almost 6 hours - not withstanding the12 minutes above- making the abhihjt lagna a possibility. In such an event, the lagna also falls in the first pada of Cancer, which will make lagnaalso vargottama.Now, I leave to the Group to discuss further if I am missing something.regards,Kishore patnaik98492 70729 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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