Guest guest Posted November 22, 2007 Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 Dear Goel ji, > Vishnu Puran Second AnshCH-8,..... There could be a thousand things in Puranas. But we are speaking about Epics (MBh and Valmiki Ramayana). In the context of epics Yuga usually means Chatur Yuga (Krita, Treta, Dwapara, Kali) and NOT the Pancha varsheeya Yugas (5 year yugas) with years named " Sam vatsar, Pari vatsar, Ida vatsar, Anu vatsar,Vatsar " . * Can you quote the exact verse in Valmiki Ramayana that speaks about 5 year Yuga system? (I couldn't find any). If there is none, then how can you render a statement such as " The time keeping in Ramayana and Mahabharata periods was on yuga of five Samvatsara and each yuga was containing 62 months " and so on?! But you are right in stating that the civil calendar of vedic period (not of 2nd century ramayana period) could be of the style you mentioned. Regards, Sreenadh , Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 wrote: > > Dear Sreenadh, > Like yoga , yuga is a term which is used widely and for many purposes. > Let not use only for Sata yuda etc . > Refer Adiparva of Mahabharata cH 124 SLOKA 22: > " Five sons of Pandu are very dignified persons in the klan of Kuru dynasty and were born at the interval > of one year, like group of five samvats .. " > Vishnu Puran Second AnshCH-8,Sloka 69 to 73 clearly states: > Yuga of five years has five Samvatsar which are named in this order-Sanvatsar,Parivatsar,edvatsar, > Anuvatsar ,and fifth oneVatsar. > After 19years ,they used to drop vastar year, and again new cycle of 5yuga will commence. > YOU MUST BE KNOWING THE REASON OF DOING SO. > FIVE YUGA calender was there civil calender. No society can exist without a simple civil calender. > I never give miss information . their is always room for better understanding,. > Regards > > G.K.GOEL > Ph: 09350311433 > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > NEW DELHI-110 076 > INDIA > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog > > Thursday, 22 November, 2007 10:22:56 AM > naastrology Re: Horoscope of Lord Rama > > Dear Goal ji, > ==> > > The time keeping in Ramayana and Mahabharata periods was on yuga of > > five Samvatsara and each yuga was containing 62 .months. > <== > This is not true - and the fact is clearly visible to anyone who > read Ramayana or Mahabharata. Numerous mention of Kaliyuga, Kritayuga > etc are present in those texts. Of course it would clear to anyone > with minimum understanding that Krita, Treta, Dwapara, Kali - Yugas > are not referring to 5 year Yugas. The 5 year yuga years are names > Eda vatsara, Pari vatsara etc. > So question is - Are you sincerely making such statements or > intentional misinterpretation or lack of understanding? > Regards, > Sreenadh > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Gopal Goel > <gkgoel1937@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Mr. Rao, > > The time keeping in Ramayana and Mahabharata periods was on yuga of > five Samvatsara and each yuga was contaning 62 .months. > > It is not certain when the practise of adjusting of this yuga cycle > at the interval of 19 years was introduced as per reference given in > Mahabharata. > > > > It is also not clear how birth data was mentioned in those days. We > are applying mathematical rules which were certainly not possible to > apply in those days. > > This opens up following possibilities: > > 1. Mathematical method of indicating the tithis- This should be > ruled out strait away > > 2. the method of indicating thithis as ruling at the time of Sun > rise - this is almost same as first possibility > > 3. Counting the days from new moon and full moon-this was the > practical way as yuga system was operating on the same basis. > > Now imagine a situation that New-Moon occurs within one hour of Sun > rise and Moon's motion is about 15deg a day. Then the next day will > be ruled by > > 2ND TITHI and will be called as 1st day of the month according to > civil calender prevalent in those days. Naturally 9th day from New > moon will be called 9th day , > > but ruling tithi will be 8th. This is a matter of common > occurrence even now a days.Kindly scan the Panchang and compare lunar > days with Saka solar based dates, > > such anomaly can be discovered immediately. > > As such , Sun was in initial portion of sign Aries and Moon can > easily occupying last pada of Punarvasu at time of Birth of Lord Shri > Rama..Bharat was born in PISCES Lagna and Pushya Nakshatra. > > Similarly Lakshaman and Shatrughan were born next day in Cancer > Lagna ,Ashlesha Nakshatra when Sun was in Aries in dignity in sky > i.e. Noon time this is the clear meaning > > of word Ravao). > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > G.K.GOEL > > Ph: 09350311433 > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > > NEW DELHI-110 076 > > INDIA > > > > > > > > > > Ramadas Rao <ramadasrao@ ....> > > Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@ ...> > > Cc: kishorepatnaik09@ ... > > Wednesday, 21 November, 2007 8:31:59 PM > > Re: naastrology Re: Horoscope of Lord Rama > > > > > > Dear Goel Ji, > > Thanks for your mail.So now after reading your mail and Shri > Patnaik's mail,what would be the birth details of Shri Ramachandra ? > Because if Sun is exalted ie., 9-10 Degs.of Mesha Rashi, then Moon > can not be in Punarvasu and it has to be Pushyami.So what would be > your inputs in this connection ? > > With Regards, > > Ramadas Rao. > > > > Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Pataik, > > Your mail filled my heart with joy.. > > As regards the difference in attitudes and happening in the life > of Shri lakchaman and Satrughan , this can be foreseen very easily > by following methods being the case of twine birth(irrespective of > the fact weather Varga charts are known or not known ). > > Step 1. Analyse the chart of elder brother ,considering two lagnas > 1. Ascending sign , 2. second sign falling in 11th house - this will > also give another Lagna pada also,thus elder Will have twine Lagnas. > > > > Step 2. Similarly ,in the case of younger brother ,the combination > of 1st and 3rd houses are to be considered > > The difference in the life of both twine brothers will be crystal > clear. > > All of us will await your analysis on this basis. > > This will also prove the authenticity of nativities adopted by all > of us. > > Regards > > > > G.K.GOEL > > Ph: 09350311433 > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > > NEW DELHI-110 076 > > INDIA > > > > > > > > > > kishore patnaik <kishorepatnaik09@ ...> > > vedic astrology; ancient_indian_ astrology@ ...; > Astro_Remedies; " " > <>; " lalkitab@ s.com " > <lalkitab@ s.com>; naastrology@ .. com; SJC- > Africa ; ; > sohamsa@ .com; Vedic Astrology- Hyderabad@ . com; > jyotish_ganga@ ... > > Thursday, 8 November, 2007 8:59:25 PM > > naastrology Re: Horoscope of Lord Rama > > > > Dear all, > > > > It is a matter of our merits that have been accumulated during our > earlier > > births that we are spending this Diwali in the chant of Rama, > rather than > > wasting our time otherwise. I wish everyone on the group a merry > and a holy > > Diwali. > > > > Srimad Ramayana is a depository of several yogic and cosmic > secrets. For > > eg., Sree Sundara Kanda is directly interpreted as the search of a > yogi for > > the Kundalini downtrodden from Sahasrara to Muladhara. In fact, > when I have > > raised the question, I have expected the Likes of PVR to search for > an > > answer in that angle too,. > > > > Now, coming back to astrology, I always wondered why Valmiki had > made so > > much out of the planetary positions of Rama when all the four > brothers have > > shared the same D1, with Bharata's lagna being 9 houses away from > others, a > > watery and shubha sthana nevertheless. More poignantly, shatrughan > has > > shared the same D1 yet, he enjoyed a normal and smooth life, with > some > > victories (such as over Ilasura) in his credit, as against the > turbulent > > life that Rama has suffered. > > > > I think the secret lies in the Divisional charts. > > > > It is needless to point out that Moon of Sri Rama enjoys a > Vargottama. As > > Visti has pointed out that it is quite possible that moon is at the > very end > > of 4th pada of the asterism and this will make the Sun being in the > last > > pada of Pisces(possibly) This will make the sun also vargottama. > > > > Now, sun must be betwen 27-30 degrees of the pisces, which will > take the > > lagna to complete the same in 12 minutes. The remaining lagnas of > Aries, > > Tarurus and Gemini can be complete in almost 6 hours - not > withstanding the > > 12 minutes above- making the abhihjt lagna a possibility. In such > an event > > , the lagna also falls in the first pada of Cancer, which will make > lagna > > also vargottama. > > > > Now, I leave to the Group to discuss further if I am missing > something.. > > > > regards, > > > > Kishore patnaik > > 98492 70729 > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2007 Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 Dear Sreenadh, If you feel Valmiki Ramayana is the work of 2nd century , then there is no platform to discuss further. One can not find every thing Ramayana.It is a scripture which refers astrological references wherever necessary. This is not the book of astrology or astronomy. You have to co-relate with other classics of that era. Regards, G.K.GOELPh: 09350311433Add: L-409, SARITA VIHARNEW DELHI-110 076INDIA Sreenadh <sreesog Sent: Thursday, 22 November, 2007 3:50:51 PM naastrology Re: Horoscope of Lord Rama Dear Goel ji,> Vishnu Puran Second AnshCH-8,... ..There could be a thousand things in Puranas. But we are speaking about Epics (MBh and Valmiki Ramayana). In the context of epics Yuga usually means Chatur Yuga (Krita, Treta, Dwapara, Kali) and NOT the Pancha varsheeya Yugas (5 year yugas) with years named "Sam vatsar, Pari vatsar, Ida vatsar, Anu vatsar,Vatsar" .* Can you quote the exact verse in Valmiki Ramayana that speaks about 5 year Yuga system? (I couldn't find any). If there is none, then how can you render a statement such as "The time keeping in Ramayana and Mahabharata periods was on yuga of five Samvatsara and each yuga was containing 62 months" and so on?! But you are right in stating that the civil calendar of vedic period (not of 2nd century ramayana period) could be of the style you mentioned. Regards,Sreenadhancient_indian_ astrology, Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Sreenadh,> Like yoga , yuga is a term which is used widely and for many purposes.> Let not use only for Sata yuda etc .> Refer Adiparva of Mahabharata cH 124 SLOKA 22:> "Five sons of Pandu are very dignified persons in the klan of Kuru dynasty and were born at the interval > of one year, like group of five samvats .."> Vishnu Puran Second AnshCH-8,Sloka 69 to 73 clearly states:> Yuga of five years has five Samvatsar which are named in this order-Sanvatsar, Parivatsar, edvatsar,> Anuvatsar ,and fifth oneVatsar.> After 19years ,they used to drop vastar year, and again new cycle of 5yuga will commence.> YOU MUST BE KNOWING THE REASON OF DOING SO.> FIVE YUGA calender was there civil calender. No society can exist without a simple civil calender.> I never give miss information . their is always room for better understanding, .> Regards> > G.K.GOEL> Ph: 09350311433> Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR> NEW DELHI-110 076> INDIA > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog >> ancient_indian_ astrology> Thursday, 22 November, 2007 10:22:56 AM> [ancient_indian_ astrology] naastrology Re: Horoscope of Lord Rama> > Dear Goal ji,> ==>> > The time keeping in Ramayana and Mahabharata periods was on yuga of > > five Samvatsara and each yuga was containing 62 .months.> <==> This is not true - and the fact is clearly visible to anyone who > read Ramayana or Mahabharata. Numerous mention of Kaliyuga, Kritayuga > etc are present in those texts. Of course it would clear to anyone > with minimum understanding that Krita, Treta, Dwapara, Kali - Yugas > are not referring to 5 year Yugas. The 5 year yuga years are names > Eda vatsara, Pari vatsara etc. > So question is - Are you sincerely making such statements or > intentional misinterpretation or lack of understanding? > Regards,> Sreenadh> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Gopal Goel > <gkgoel1937@ ...> wrote:> >> > Dear Mr. Rao,> > The time keeping in Ramayana and Mahabharata periods was on yuga of > five Samvatsara and each yuga was contaning 62 .months.> > It is not certain when the practise of adjusting of this yuga cycle > at the interval of 19 years was introduced as per reference given in > Mahabharata.> > > > It is also not clear how birth data was mentioned in those days. We > are applying mathematical rules which were certainly not possible to > apply in those days.> > This opens up following possibilities:> > 1. Mathematical method of indicating the tithis- This should be > ruled out strait away> > 2. the method of indicating thithis as ruling at the time of Sun > rise - this is almost same as first possibility> > 3. Counting the days from new moon and full moon-this was the > practical way as yuga system was operating on the same basis.> > Now imagine a situation that New-Moon occurs within one hour of Sun > rise and Moon's motion is about 15deg a day. Then the next day will > be ruled by > > 2ND TITHI and will be called as 1st day of the month according to > civil calender prevalent in those days. Naturally 9th day from New > moon will be called 9th day ,> > but ruling tithi will be 8th. This is a matter of common > occurrence even now a days.Kindly scan the Panchang and compare lunar > days with Saka solar based dates,> > such anomaly can be discovered immediately.> > As such , Sun was in initial portion of sign Aries and Moon can > easily occupying last pada of Punarvasu at time of Birth of Lord Shri > Rama..Bharat was born in PISCES Lagna and Pushya Nakshatra.> > Similarly Lakshaman and Shatrughan were born next day in Cancer > Lagna ,Ashlesha Nakshatra when Sun was in Aries in dignity in sky > i.e. Noon time this is the clear meaning > > of word Ravao).> > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > G.K.GOEL> > Ph: 09350311433> > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR> > NEW DELHI-110 076> > INDIA > > > > > > > > > > Ramadas Rao <ramadasrao@ ....>> > Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@ ...>> > Cc: kishorepatnaik09@ ...> > Wednesday, 21 November, 2007 8:31:59 PM> > Re: naastrology Re: Horoscope of Lord Rama> > > > > > Dear Goel Ji,> > Thanks for your mail.So now after reading your mail and Shri > Patnaik's mail,what would be the birth details of Shri Ramachandra ?> Because if Sun is exalted ie., 9-10 Degs.of Mesha Rashi, then Moon > can not be in Punarvasu and it has to be Pushyami.So what would be > your inputs in this connection ?> > With Regards,> > Ramadas Rao.> > > > Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@ ...> wrote:> > Dear Pataik,> > Your mail filled my heart with joy..> > As regards the difference in attitudes and happening in the life > of Shri lakchaman and Satrughan , this can be foreseen very easily > by following methods being the case of twine birth(irrespective of > the fact weather Varga charts are known or not known ).> > Step 1. Analyse the chart of elder brother ,considering two lagnas > 1. Ascending sign , 2. second sign falling in 11th house - this will > also give another Lagna pada also,thus elder Will have twine Lagnas.> > > > Step 2. Similarly ,in the case of younger brother ,the combination > of 1st and 3rd houses are to be considered> > The difference in the life of both twine brothers will be crystal > clear.> > All of us will await your analysis on this basis.> > This will also prove the authenticity of nativities adopted by all > of us.> > Regards> > > > G.K.GOEL> > Ph: 09350311433> > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR> > NEW DELHI-110 076> > INDIA > > > > > > > > > > kishore patnaik <kishorepatnaik09@ ...>> > vedic astrology; ancient_indian_ astrology@ ...; > Astro_Remedies; "" > <>; "lalkitab@grou p s.com" > <lalkitab@grou p s.com>; naastrology@ . . com; SJC-> Africa ; ; > sohamsa@ .com; Vedic Astrology- Hyderabad; > jyotish_ganga@ ...> > Thursday, 8 November, 2007 8:59:25 PM> > naastrology Re: Horoscope of Lord Rama> > > > Dear all,> > > > It is a matter of our merits that have been accumulated during our > earlier> > births that we are spending this Diwali in the chant of Rama, > rather than> > wasting our time otherwise. I wish everyone on the group a merry > and a holy> > Diwali.> > > > Srimad Ramayana is a depository of several yogic and cosmic > secrets. For> > eg., Sree Sundara Kanda is directly interpreted as the search of a > yogi for> > the Kundalini downtrodden from Sahasrara to Muladhara. In fact, > when I have> > raised the question, I have expected the Likes of PVR to search for > an> > answer in that angle too,.> > > > Now, coming back to astrology, I always wondered why Valmiki had > made so> > much out of the planetary positions of Rama when all the four > brothers have> > shared the same D1, with Bharata's lagna being 9 houses away from > others, a> > watery and shubha sthana nevertheless. More poignantly, shatrughan > has> > shared the same D1 yet, he enjoyed a normal and smooth life, with > some> > victories (such as over Ilasura) in his credit, as against the > turbulent> > life that Rama has suffered.> > > > I think the secret lies in the Divisional charts.> > > > It is needless to point out that Moon of Sri Rama enjoys a > Vargottama. As> > Visti has pointed out that it is quite possible that moon is at the > very end> > of 4th pada of the asterism and this will make the Sun being in the > last> > pada of Pisces(possibly) This will make the sun also vargottama.> > > > Now, sun must be betwen 27-30 degrees of the pisces, which will > take the> > lagna to complete the same in 12 minutes. The remaining lagnas of > Aries,> > Tarurus and Gemini can be complete in almost 6 hours - not > withstanding the> > 12 minutes above- making the abhihjt lagna a possibility. In such > an event> > , the lagna also falls in the first pada of Cancer, which will make > lagna> > also vargottama.> > > > Now, I leave to the Group to discuss further if I am missing > something..> > > > regards,> > > > Kishore patnaik> > 98492 70729> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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