Death due to accident--astrological reason (Clarification)

November 19, 2007

Dear All,

With all these confusion about the longitude and latitude - as an

astrologer I will take the following path. First the reasons for my

selection is given below -

1) The discussion of Mritubhaga & 64th Navamsa etc is happening in

the group - I consider it as a Nimitta.

2) An erroneous Lat/Long is supplied by the querent. But since it is

an error committed by the querent itself, the chart thus generated

has got should have unique significance (taking the common

parameters)

3) Now things are corrected - and thus with the corrected details

(i.e. BT & Ayanamsa) - the chart should reflect the self same

possibilities, same as the second possibility revealed.

Now coming to the analysis and reasoning:

64th Navamsa influence

----------------------

1) The influence of 64th navamsa lord (from Lagna, Moon & Sun) is

already clarified by Vighaya Raghavan ji. If we consider the 2nd

initial chart & long provided by the Trivedi ji.

Predicting with the wrong chart

-------------------------------

2) Predicting with the wrong chart provided by the client -

considering it as a Nimitta and as important. Note the following

points -

* Jataka Bhushana by Acharya Mukunda Daivanjya states that -

" If 8th lord and lagna lord are together in 8th house then the

individual will DIE at the age of 27 " ! In the given (wrong) chart

lagna lord and 8th lord are one and the same (i.e. Venus) and is

placed in 8th house. Thus defenitly a combination indicating

premature death is present there fore sure.

* The Dasa-Antara-Paryantara is Ma-Ve-Ve. Ma is the 7th lord

(maraka) and Ve is the 8th lord (Nidhana = death). Thus antra of 8th

lord is running in the dasa of 8th lord. As per vimsottari, the 7th

lords antara in the dasa of 8th lord, and 8th lords antara in the

dasa of 7th lord - are clear possible periods for the death to happen.

* Further the 8th lord Venus is debilitated in Navamsa in Virgo in

12th house. Mars in present in Virgo in 12th and the Navamsa of Mars

falls in 8th house where Venus is situated. Thus there is clear

connection between Mars and Venus as well as 8th and 12th indicating

possible death during this period.

* There should be a clear combination indicating accident. Mihira

says that " if Mars is in 4th and Sun in 10th the native may die due

to Vehicle accident or falling from Vehicle " . In the given (wrong)

chart Sun is in 10th house and Ke in 4th. Taking Ke as equivalent to

Mars (Kujavat Keto), the combination gets satisfied, indicating the

death of the native due to vehicle accident.

Conclusion: The native was destined to die at the age of 27, the

Vehicle accent just became a minor reason for the same to manifest.

A possibility: 8th lord is in own house, strong 6th lord (enemy)

aspecting Venus in 8th - the death might have been caused by an

INTENTIONAL ACCIDENT caused by the enemy.

Predicting with the correct chart

* Corrected BT (Kunda Correction applied): 3.55 PM

* Ayanamsa: True Ayanamsa (of C.Hari)

* Year Length: 365.2425 (normal solar year)

* Dasa-Antara-Paryantara (from Moon): Ma-Me-Ve

* Dasa-Antara-Paryantara (from Lagna): Ve-Ra-Ra

* Point to remember: All the conclusions derived using wrong chart

will also reflect here - because wrong chart was a clear Nimitta.

* Changes happened with correct long:

- Lagna changed to Scorpio 19 deg 54 min

- 64th Navamsa lord from Lagna is: 8th navamsa lord of

Gemini. Counting 8 signs from Libra it is - Jupitor.

- 22nd Drekkana lord from Lagna is: Venus. Note that the

Antara of 22nd Drekkana lord is running as per Vimsottari dasa from

Lagna longitude. As per Vimsottari dasa from Moon, the Paryantara of

22nd Drekkana lord is running.

* 8th lord, 7th lord influence: As per Vimrottari dasa from Moon,

it is the Antara of 8th lord (Nidhana) running and the paryantara of

7th lord (Marka). Even the dasa lord Mars is 6th lord (accident) with

navamsa on 7th (journey). Thus the 7th/8th correlation applies here

as well - indicating death.

* Note that as per " Jataka Bhushana " the placement of lagna lord

with 8th lord in 8th can indicate death. Applying (extending) the

same to Vimsottari dasa - it is the Dasa of Lagna lord happening,

Antara of 8th lord running and the navamsa of 8th lord in the sign

(Aries) of lagna lord mars - the condition gets satisfied. Thus this

too can indicate death.

There could be numerous other combinations as well present in this

horoscope which may reveal the possibilities in more detail. But with

erroneous data supplied and this much time of members spend on this

chart, I feel that this much is enough.

Love,

Sreenadh

, " renunw "

<renunw wrote:

>

> The longitude should be 73 E 4.

> 23... would have been a typo by Trivedi ji.

>

> blessings

>

> Renu

> , Panditji

> <navagraha@> wrote:

> >

> > Namaste,

> >

> > What is the Latitude and Longitude? Gujrat can not be 23 E ?

> >

> > ...

> >

> > On 11/18/07, dushyant trivedi <trivedi20@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Learned Astrologers,

> > >

> > > I am giving below the birth details of Husband , wife and

> daughter. The

> > > husband died on the spot in an accident on 21.10.2007 while

> riding a

> > > scooter at Khedbrahma in North Gujarat. Kindly analyse and if

> possible give

> > > astrological reasons for the death.

> > >

> > > Husband: 26.071980 born at 15.56 at Khedbrahma in north

Gujarat

> Lat

> > > 24.03N, Longitude 23.04e

> > >

> > > Wife: 04.10.1981; 07.15am place Modasa, Gujarat

> > > Daughter: 14.09.2006; 18.55, place Modasa, Gujarat

> > >

> > > I could not get any astrological reason for the death.

> > >

> > > D D Trivedi

> > >

> > > ------------------------------

> > > Never miss a thing. Make your

>

homepage.<http://us.rd./evt=51438/*http://www./r/hs

> >

> > >

> >

>

November 20, 2007

Dear Learned members,

As per the birth details,Vrischika Lagna rises with its lord Kuja is in 11th but is in Nakshatra Vishagati and becomes 64th Navamsha lord.So here Kuja becomes a big Maraka.When we see through Rasi Tulya Navamsha,ie., keeping Lagna in Vrischika and other planets in Navamsha chart in the Rashi chart, we get Shani in 2nd house,Rahu in 5th, Budha in 6th, Kuja in 7th like this....and Shukra in 11th in Kanya Rashi along with Surya, Guru and Ketu.So Kuja becomes a maraka planet when we see through this method.Shukra eventhough is in his own house but is debilitated in Navamsha who is the Karaka for vehicles,death or a big kanataka from Vehicle is indicated.As Kuja is the biggest maraka, the incident has to happen in Kuja Dasa which started from 26/6/2002 till 20/5/2009 using 360 savana days per year.Shukra's Antara or Bhukti started from 25/4/2007 and ending on 18/6/2008.Now Shukra is 7th and 12th lord becomes a secondary Maraka for this chart and Shukra is placed in Mrigashira Nakshatra ruled by Kuja.Rahu's Pratyantara is running from23/9/2007 till 25/11/2007.Rahu with Mandi along with Surya is in 9th in Badhaka Sthana.Both Rahu and Mandi are in Ashlesha Nakshatra ruled by Budha who is again in Nakshatra Mrityu Bhaga.So the person has to meet severe accident during this priod.Now on the day of accident Budha's Sookshma Dasa was running from 21/10/2007 2:11:13 Hrs. to 30/10/2007 and ,Budha's Prana Antara Dsa was running from 21/10/2007 2:11:13 Hrs. to 22/10/2007 8:31:55 Hrs.So on this day of 21/10/2007, he has to meet with severe accident.

There may be other methods to explain the death due to accident.

With Regards,

Ramadas Rao.

From: sreesogDate: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 05:43:51 +0000 Re: Death due to accident--astrological reason (Clarification)

Dear All,With all these confusion about the longitude and latitude - as an astrologer I will take the following path. First the reasons for my selection is given below -1) The discussion of Mritubhaga & 64th Navamsa etc is happening in the group - I consider it as a Nimitta.2) An erroneous Lat/Long is supplied by the querent. But since it is an error committed by the querent itself, the chart thus generated has got should have unique significance (taking the common parameters) 3) Now things are corrected - and thus with the corrected details (i.e. BT & Ayanamsa) - the chart should reflect the self same possibilities, same as the second possibility revealed.Now coming to the analysis and reasoning:64th Navamsa influence----------------------1) The influence of 64th navamsa lord (from Lagna, Moon & Sun) is already clarified by Vighaya Raghavan ji. If we consider the 2nd initial chart & long provided by the Trivedi ji.Predicting with the wrong chart-------------------------------2) Predicting with the wrong chart provided by the client - considering it as a Nimitta and as important. Note the following points -* Jataka Bhushana by Acharya Mukunda Daivanjya states that - "If 8th lord and lagna lord are together in 8th house then the individual will DIE at the age of 27"! In the given (wrong) chart lagna lord and 8th lord are one and the same (i.e. Venus) and is placed in 8th house. Thus defenitly a combination indicating premature death is present there fore sure.* The Dasa-Antara-Paryantara is Ma-Ve-Ve. Ma is the 7th lord (maraka) and Ve is the 8th lord (Nidhana = death). Thus antra of 8th lord is running in the dasa of 8th lord. As per vimsottari, the 7th lords antara in the dasa of 8th lord, and 8th lords antara in the dasa of 7th lord - are clear possible periods for the death to happen.* Further the 8th lord Venus is debilitated in Navamsa in Virgo in 12th house. Mars in present in Virgo in 12th and the Navamsa of Mars falls in 8th house where Venus is situated. Thus there is clear connection between Mars and Venus as well as 8th and 12th indicating possible death during this period.* There should be a clear combination indicating accident. Mihira says that "if Mars is in 4th and Sun in 10th the native may die due to Vehicle accident or falling from Vehicle". In the given (wrong) chart Sun is in 10th house and Ke in 4th. Taking Ke as equivalent to Mars (Kujavat Keto), the combination gets satisfied, indicating the death of the native due to vehicle accident.Conclusion: The native was destined to die at the age of 27, the Vehicle accent just became a minor reason for the same to manifest. A possibility: 8th lord is in own house, strong 6th lord (enemy) aspecting Venus in 8th - the death might have been caused by an INTENTIONAL ACCIDENT caused by the enemy. Predicting with the correct chart* Corrected BT (Kunda Correction applied): 3.55 PM* Ayanamsa: True Ayanamsa (of C.Hari)* Year Length: 365.2425 (normal solar year)* Dasa-Antara-Paryantara (from Moon): Ma-Me-Ve* Dasa-Antara-Paryantara (from Lagna): Ve-Ra-Ra* Point to remember: All the conclusions derived using wrong chart will also reflect here - because wrong chart was a clear Nimitta. * Changes happened with correct long: - Lagna changed to Scorpio 19 deg 54 min- 64th Navamsa lord from Lagna is: 8th navamsa lord of Gemini. Counting 8 signs from Libra it is - Jupitor. - 22nd Drekkana lord from Lagna is: Venus. Note that the Antara of 22nd Drekkana lord is running as per Vimsottari dasa from Lagna longitude. As per Vimsottari dasa from Moon, the Paryantara of 22nd Drekkana lord is running.* 8th lord, 7th lord influence: As per Vimrottari dasa from Moon, it is the Antara of 8th lord (Nidhana) running and the paryantara of 7th lord (Marka). Even the dasa lord Mars is 6th lord (accident) with navamsa on 7th (journey). Thus the 7th/8th correlation applies here as well - indicating death. * Note that as per "Jataka Bhushana" the placement of lagna lord with 8th lord in 8th can indicate death. Applying (extending) the same to Vimsottari dasa - it is the Dasa of Lagna lord happening, Antara of 8th lord running and the navamsa of 8th lord in the sign (Aries) of lagna lord mars - the condition gets satisfied. Thus this too can indicate death. There could be numerous other combinations as well present in this horoscope which may reveal the possibilities in more detail. But with erroneous data supplied and this much time of members spend on this chart, I feel that this much is enough. Love,Sreenadh , "renunw" <renunw wrote:>> > The longitude should be 73 E 4. > 23... would have been a typo by Trivedi ji.> > blessings> > Renu> , Panditji > <navagraha@> wrote:> >> > Namaste,> > > > What is the Latitude and Longitude? Gujrat can not be 23 E ?> > > > ...> > > > > > On 11/18/07, dushyant trivedi <trivedi20@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Learned Astrologers,> > >> > > I am giving below the birth details of Husband , wife and > daughter. The> > > husband died on the spot in an accident on 21.10.2007 while > riding a> > > scooter at Khedbrahma in North Gujarat. Kindly analyse and if > possible give> > > astrological reasons for the death.> > >> > > Husband: 26.071980 born at 15.56 at Khedbrahma in north Gujarat > Lat> > > 24.03N, Longitude 23.04e> > >> > > Wife: 04.10.1981; 07.15am place Modasa, Gujarat> > > Daughter: 14.09.2006; 18.55, place Modasa, Gujarat> > >> > > I could not get any astrological reason for the death.> > >> > > D D Trivedi> > >> > >> > >> > > ------------------------------> > > Never miss a thing. Make your > homepage.<http://us.rd./evt=51438/*http://www./r/hs> >> > >> > > > > >> >> Connect to the next generation of MSN Messenger Get it now!

November 20, 2007

When Kuja has become Maraka in Budha's house in 11th what if the native

had died in Kuja dasa - Budha bhukti?

Kuja owns 6th house and Budha owns 8th and 11th. 6th is the house of

accident and injury and 11th is 6th from 6th. These are simple classical

indications. Why to split the hair?

November 21, 2007

Dear Mr. Chandra Hari,

Please, if you want to argue in favour of the Scorpio Lagna, and to

introduce a different Ayanamsa at the same time, then you need to be

much more elaborate.

Very friendly,

Finn Wandahl

, " K Chandra Hari "

<chandrahari81 wrote:

>

> When Kuja has become Maraka in Budha's house in 11th what if the native

> had died in Kuja dasa - Budha bhukti?

>

> Kuja owns 6th house and Budha owns 8th and 11th. 6th is the house of

> accident and injury and 11th is 6th from 6th. These are simple classical

> indications. Why to split the hair?

>

November 21, 2007

Dear friend,

What is the connection between Scorpio Lagna and ayanamsa here. I am not

using any ayanamsa which will cause a change in Lagna. Elaboration is

required for 'hair splitting with advanced techniques'. With the correct

value of ayanamsa simple classical rules are sufficient. Who needs

elaboration to understand that 6th lord signifies accident and 6th to

6th i.e. 11 as well. 6th lord in 11 th is a double cause for accident.

For Scorpio Lagna, Mercury is greatly evil. Mercury is dispositor of

Mars.

Keep a little of the brain for some 'lateral' thinking and open mind. On

Ayanamsa my work is added as file in the group and also the paper

published in IJHS which disproves the Saha_Lahiri report on which

validity of Citrapaksha is claimed. Those who want to learn in the

spirit of sastra must study them seriously.

To play fraud on the public any ayanamsa will do along with sociology

and psychology.

chandra hari

, " Finn Wandahl "

<finn.wandahl wrote:

>

> Dear Mr. Chandra Hari,

>

> Please, if you want to argue in favour of the Scorpio Lagna, and to

> introduce a different Ayanamsa at the same time, then you need to be

> much more elaborate.

>

> Very friendly,

> Finn Wandahl

>

> , " K Chandra Hari "

> chandrahari81@ wrote:

> >

> > When Kuja has become Maraka in Budha's house in 11th what if the

native

> > had died in Kuja dasa - Budha bhukti?

> >

> > Kuja owns 6th house and Budha owns 8th and 11th. 6th is the house of

> > accident and injury and 11th is 6th from 6th. These are simple

classical

> > indications. Why to split the hair?

> >

>

November 21, 2007

Dear Mr. Chandra Hari,

>>...What is the connection between Scorpio Lagna and ayanamsa here...<<

Please, you yourself has mentioned that this man died in Kuja Dasa,

BUDHA Bhukti. But according to my calculation (based on Lahiri

ayanamsa) he died in Mars Dasa, VENUS bhukti. This means, either you

are introducing another ayanamsa here, or you have done some wrong

calculations.

>>...Those who want to learn in the spirit of sastra must study them

seriously...<<

Yes, I most certainly agree to this. But perhaps, contrary to all

others, you believe to have found out the only true spirit of sastra...

>>...To play fraud on the public any ayanamsa will do along with

sociology psychology...<<

Who is playing fraud on the public on ayanamsa? You or me?

>>...This looks to be great wisdom. Application of mythology to

astrology = mystrology?...<<

Astrology is in fact a cognitive science, which is very much based on

cosmology and mythology, no matter if we like it or not.

Very friendly,

Finn Wandahl

, " K Chandra Hari "

<chandrahari81 wrote:

>

> Dear friend,

>

> What is the connection between Scorpio Lagna and ayanamsa here. I am not

> using any ayanamsa which will cause a change in Lagna. Elaboration is

> required for 'hair splitting with advanced techniques'. With the correct

> value of ayanamsa simple classical rules are sufficient. Who needs

> elaboration to understand that 6th lord signifies accident and 6th to

> 6th i.e. 11 as well. 6th lord in 11 th is a double cause for accident.

> For Scorpio Lagna, Mercury is greatly evil. Mercury is dispositor of

> Mars.

>

> Keep a little of the brain for some 'lateral' thinking and open mind. On

> Ayanamsa my work is added as file in the group and also the paper

> published in IJHS which disproves the Saha_Lahiri report on which

> validity of Citrapaksha is claimed. Those who want to learn in the

> spirit of sastra must study them seriously.

>

> To play fraud on the public any ayanamsa will do along with sociology

> and psychology.

>

> chandra hari

>

> , " Finn Wandahl "

> <finn.wandahl@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Mr. Chandra Hari,

> >

> > Please, if you want to argue in favour of the Scorpio Lagna, and to

> > introduce a different Ayanamsa at the same time, then you need to be

> > much more elaborate.

> >

> > Very friendly,

> > Finn Wandahl

> >

> > , " K Chandra Hari "

> > chandrahari81@ wrote:

> > >

> > > When Kuja has become Maraka in Budha's house in 11th what if the

> native

> > > had died in Kuja dasa - Budha bhukti?

> > >

> > > Kuja owns 6th house and Budha owns 8th and 11th. 6th is the house of

> > > accident and injury and 11th is 6th from 6th. These are simple

> classical

> > > indications. Why to split the hair?

> > >

> >

>

November 21, 2007

It is your problem that you are using Lahiri Ayanamsa. I have already

shown to the scientific world that it was the result of a blunderous

analysis of Suryasiddhanta. Don't you have time to read the works

uploaded in this group?

If you don't have time to read and understand scientific works that are

being shared in the group, then what are you trying to discuss and why?

chandra hari

, " Finn Wandahl "

<finn.wandahl wrote:

>

> Dear Mr. Chandra Hari,

>

> >>...What is the connection between Scorpio Lagna and ayanamsa

here...<<

>

> Please, you yourself has mentioned that this man died in Kuja Dasa,

> BUDHA Bhukti. But according to my calculation (based on Lahiri

> ayanamsa) he died in Mars Dasa, VENUS bhukti. This means, either you

> are introducing another ayanamsa here, or you have done some wrong

> calculations.

>

> >>...Those who want to learn in the spirit of sastra must study them

> seriously...<<

>

> Yes, I most certainly agree to this. But perhaps, contrary to all

> others, you believe to have found out the only true spirit of

sastra...

>

> >>...To play fraud on the public any ayanamsa will do along with

> sociology psychology...<<

>

> Who is playing fraud on the public on ayanamsa? You or me?

>

> >>...This looks to be great wisdom. Application of mythology to

> astrology = mystrology?...<<

>

> Astrology is in fact a cognitive science, which is very much based on

> cosmology and mythology, no matter if we like it or not.

>

> Very friendly,

> Finn Wandahl

>

> , " K Chandra Hari "

> chandrahari81@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear friend,

> >

> > What is the connection between Scorpio Lagna and ayanamsa here. I am

not

> > using any ayanamsa which will cause a change in Lagna. Elaboration

is

> > required for 'hair splitting with advanced techniques'. With the

correct

> > value of ayanamsa simple classical rules are sufficient. Who needs

> > elaboration to understand that 6th lord signifies accident and 6th

to

> > 6th i.e. 11 as well. 6th lord in 11 th is a double cause for

accident.

> > For Scorpio Lagna, Mercury is greatly evil. Mercury is dispositor of

> > Mars.

> >

> > Keep a little of the brain for some 'lateral' thinking and open

mind. On

> > Ayanamsa my work is added as file in the group and also the paper

> > published in IJHS which disproves the Saha_Lahiri report on which

> > validity of Citrapaksha is claimed. Those who want to learn in the

> > spirit of sastra must study them seriously.

> >

> > To play fraud on the public any ayanamsa will do along with

sociology

> > and psychology.

> >

> > chandra hari

> >

> > , " Finn Wandahl "

> > <finn.wandahl@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Mr. Chandra Hari,

> > >

> > > Please, if you want to argue in favour of the Scorpio Lagna, and

to

> > > introduce a different Ayanamsa at the same time, then you need to

be

> > > much more elaborate.

> > >

> > > Very friendly,

> > > Finn Wandahl

> > >

> > > , " K Chandra Hari "

> > > chandrahari81@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > When Kuja has become Maraka in Budha's house in 11th what if the

> > native

> > > > had died in Kuja dasa - Budha bhukti?

> > > >

> > > > Kuja owns 6th house and Budha owns 8th and 11th. 6th is the

house of

> > > > accident and injury and 11th is 6th from 6th. These are simple

> > classical

> > > > indications. Why to split the hair?

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

November 21, 2007

Dear Finn ji, Chandra hari ji,

A little patiance - are we loosing track?

==>

> >>...What is the connection between Scorpio Lagna and ayanamsa

here...<<

> Please, you yourself has mentioned that this man died in Kuja Dasa,

> BUDHA Bhukti.

<==

Yes, Ayanamsa do play a role here. Considering Vimsottari Dasa from

Moon -

As per Hari:

* True Ayanamsa = 120 deg away from Moola star (i.e. approx 46

min more than lahari)

* Year length: 360 degree solar year.

Thus the Dasa-Antara-Paryantara at the time of death = Ma-Me-Ve

As per Finn:

* Lahari Ayanamsa

* Year length: 365.2524 days

Thus the Dasa-Antara-Paryantara at the time of death = Ma-Ve-Ve

Both of you may have astrological reasoning in favor of their

stands.

==>

> >>...To play fraud on the public any ayanamsa will do along with

> sociology psychology...<<

> Who is playing fraud on the public on ayanamsa? You or me?

<==

Please... Can't we avoid this kind of statements?

Note: May be cooperation and communication can bring out more

fruitful results. Also please don't mix academic arguments and

personal sentiments - I know both of you won't do that - but just a

caution.

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

, " Finn Wandahl "

<finn.wandahl wrote:

>

> Dear Mr. Chandra Hari,

>

> >>...What is the connection between Scorpio Lagna and ayanamsa

here...<<

>

> Please, you yourself has mentioned that this man died in Kuja Dasa,

> BUDHA Bhukti. But according to my calculation (based on Lahiri

> ayanamsa) he died in Mars Dasa, VENUS bhukti. This means, either you

> are introducing another ayanamsa here, or you have done some wrong

> calculations.

>

> >>...Those who want to learn in the spirit of sastra must study them

> seriously...<<

>

> Yes, I most certainly agree to this. But perhaps, contrary to all

> others, you believe to have found out the only true spirit of

sastra...

>

> >>...To play fraud on the public any ayanamsa will do along with

> sociology psychology...<<

>

> Who is playing fraud on the public on ayanamsa? You or me?

>

> >>...This looks to be great wisdom. Application of mythology to

> astrology = mystrology?...<<

>

> Astrology is in fact a cognitive science, which is very much based

on

> cosmology and mythology, no matter if we like it or not.

>

> Very friendly,

> Finn Wandahl

>

> , " K Chandra Hari "

> <chandrahari81@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear friend,

> >

> > What is the connection between Scorpio Lagna and ayanamsa here. I

am not

> > using any ayanamsa which will cause a change in Lagna.

Elaboration is

> > required for 'hair splitting with advanced techniques'. With the

correct

> > value of ayanamsa simple classical rules are sufficient. Who

needs

> > elaboration to understand that 6th lord signifies accident and

6th to

> > 6th i.e. 11 as well. 6th lord in 11 th is a double cause for

accident.

> > For Scorpio Lagna, Mercury is greatly evil. Mercury is

dispositor of

> > Mars.

> >

> > Keep a little of the brain for some 'lateral' thinking and open

mind. On

> > Ayanamsa my work is added as file in the group and also the paper

> > published in IJHS which disproves the Saha_Lahiri report on which

> > validity of Citrapaksha is claimed. Those who want to learn in the

> > spirit of sastra must study them seriously.

> >

> > To play fraud on the public any ayanamsa will do along with

sociology

> > and psychology.

> >

> > chandra hari

> >

> > , " Finn Wandahl "

> > <finn.wandahl@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Mr. Chandra Hari,

> > >

> > > Please, if you want to argue in favour of the Scorpio Lagna,

and to

> > > introduce a different Ayanamsa at the same time, then you need

to be

> > > much more elaborate.

> > >

> > > Very friendly,

> > > Finn Wandahl

> > >

> > > , " K Chandra

Hari "

> > > chandrahari81@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > When Kuja has become Maraka in Budha's house in 11th what if

the

> > native

> > > > had died in Kuja dasa - Budha bhukti?

> > > >

> > > > Kuja owns 6th house and Budha owns 8th and 11th. 6th is the

house of

> > > > accident and injury and 11th is 6th from 6th. These are simple

> > classical

> > > > indications. Why to split the hair?

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

November 22, 2007

Dear Wandahl,

You are right. Mercury can not be killer.

Venus is powerfully killer. It is placed in own and 7th house . It is aspected by both Ketu (represents mistakes and sudden events).

and Saturn. In Navamsa ,it is debilitated. In transit it again aspected by Saturn. Venus, Ketu and Saturn are together in transit.

If you will use True Citra AYANAMSA , YOUR prediction will further improve.Kindly give a try.

Regards,

G.K.GOELPh: 09350311433Add: L-409, SARITA VIHARNEW DELHI-110 076INDIA

Finn Wandahl <finn.wandahl Sent: Thursday, 22 November, 2007 1:55:40 AM Re: Death due to accident--astrological reason (Clarification)

Dear Mr. Chandra Hari,>>...What is the connection between Scorpio Lagna and ayanamsa here...<<Please, you yourself has mentioned that this man died in Kuja Dasa,BUDHA Bhukti. But according to my calculation (based on Lahiriayanamsa) he died in Mars Dasa, VENUS bhukti. This means, either youare introducing another ayanamsa here, or you have done some wrongcalculations.>>...Those who want to learn in the spirit of sastra must study themseriously.... <<Yes, I most certainly agree to this. But perhaps, contrary to allothers, you believe to have found out the only true spirit of sastra... >>...To play fraud on the public any ayanamsa will do along withsociology psychology.. .<<Who is playing fraud on the public on ayanamsa? You or me? >>...This looks to be great wisdom. Application of mythology toastrology = mystrology?.

...<<Astrology is in fact a cognitive science, which is very much based oncosmology and mythology, no matter if we like it or not.Very friendly,Finn Wandahlancient_indian_ astrology, "K Chandra Hari"<chandrahari81@ ...> wrote:>> > Dear friend,> > What is the connection between Scorpio Lagna and ayanamsa here. I am not> using any ayanamsa which will cause a change in Lagna. Elaboration is> required for 'hair splitting with advanced techniques'. With the correct> value of ayanamsa simple classical rules are sufficient. Who needs> elaboration to understand that 6th lord signifies accident and 6th to> 6th i.e. 11 as well. 6th lord in 11 th is a double cause for

accident.> For Scorpio Lagna, Mercury is greatly evil. Mercury is dispositor of> Mars.> > Keep a little of the brain for some 'lateral' thinking and open mind. On> Ayanamsa my work is added as file in the group and also the paper> published in IJHS which disproves the Saha_Lahiri report on which> validity of Citrapaksha is claimed. Those who want to learn in the> spirit of sastra must study them seriously.> > To play fraud on the public any ayanamsa will do along with sociology> and psychology.> > chandra hari> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Finn Wandahl"> <finn.wandahl@ > wrote:> >> > Dear Mr. Chandra Hari,> >> >

Please, if you want to argue in favour of the Scorpio Lagna, and to> > introduce a different Ayanamsa at the same time, then you need to be> > much more elaborate.> >> > Very friendly,> > Finn Wandahl> >> >> >> > ancient_indian_ astrology, "K Chandra Hari"> > chandrahari81@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > When Kuja has become Maraka in Budha's house in 11th what if the> native> > > had died in Kuja dasa - Budha bhukti?> > >> > > Kuja owns 6th house and Budha owns 8th and 11th. 6th is the house of> > > accident and injury and 11th is 6th from 6th. These are simple> classical> >

> indications. Why to split the hair?> > >> >>

Bollywood, fun, friendship, sports and more. You name it, we have it.

November 22, 2007

Dear Mr. Chandra Hari,

Please don't get me wrong. I did in fact both read and understand your

articles in the files-section. However, your arguments for this so

called " true ayanamsa " are based purely on mathematical/astronomical

premises, whereas my choice of ayanamsa, which is Lahiri, is based on

astrological premises alone.

It is obvious that you have made a lot of research into the subject of

ayanamsa. So have I, but only on some completely different premises.

Therefore further debating about this seems pointless to me, since we

are not standing on common ground in this matter.

Very friendly,

Finn Wandahl

, " K Chandra Hari "

<chandrahari81 wrote:

>

> It is your problem that you are using Lahiri Ayanamsa. I have already

> shown to the scientific world that it was the result of a blunderous

> analysis of Suryasiddhanta. Don't you have time to read the works

> uploaded in this group?

>

> If you don't have time to read and understand scientific works that are

> being shared in the group, then what are you trying to discuss and why?

>

> chandra hari

, " Finn Wandahl "

> <finn.wandahl@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Mr. Chandra Hari,

> >

> > >>...What is the connection between Scorpio Lagna and ayanamsa

> here...<<

> >

> > Please, you yourself has mentioned that this man died in Kuja Dasa,

> > BUDHA Bhukti. But according to my calculation (based on Lahiri

> > ayanamsa) he died in Mars Dasa, VENUS bhukti. This means, either you

> > are introducing another ayanamsa here, or you have done some wrong

> > calculations.

> >

> > >>...Those who want to learn in the spirit of sastra must study them

> > seriously...<<

> >

> > Yes, I most certainly agree to this. But perhaps, contrary to all

> > others, you believe to have found out the only true spirit of

> sastra...

> >

> > >>...To play fraud on the public any ayanamsa will do along with

> > sociology psychology...<<

> >

> > Who is playing fraud on the public on ayanamsa? You or me?

> >

> > >>...This looks to be great wisdom. Application of mythology to

> > astrology = mystrology?...<<

> >

> > Astrology is in fact a cognitive science, which is very much based on

> > cosmology and mythology, no matter if we like it or not.

> >

> > Very friendly,

> > Finn Wandahl

> >

> > , " K Chandra Hari "

> > chandrahari81@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear friend,

> > >

> > > What is the connection between Scorpio Lagna and ayanamsa here. I am

> not

> > > using any ayanamsa which will cause a change in Lagna. Elaboration

> is

> > > required for 'hair splitting with advanced techniques'. With the

> correct

> > > value of ayanamsa simple classical rules are sufficient. Who needs

> > > elaboration to understand that 6th lord signifies accident and 6th

> to

> > > 6th i.e. 11 as well. 6th lord in 11 th is a double cause for

> accident.

> > > For Scorpio Lagna, Mercury is greatly evil. Mercury is dispositor of

> > > Mars.

> > >

> > > Keep a little of the brain for some 'lateral' thinking and open

> mind. On

> > > Ayanamsa my work is added as file in the group and also the paper

> > > published in IJHS which disproves the Saha_Lahiri report on which

> > > validity of Citrapaksha is claimed. Those who want to learn in the

> > > spirit of sastra must study them seriously.

> > >

> > > To play fraud on the public any ayanamsa will do along with

> sociology

> > > and psychology.

> > >

> > > chandra hari

> > >

> > > , " Finn Wandahl "

> > > <finn.wandahl@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Mr. Chandra Hari,

> > > >

> > > > Please, if you want to argue in favour of the Scorpio Lagna, and

> to

> > > > introduce a different Ayanamsa at the same time, then you need to

> be

> > > > much more elaborate.

> > > >

> > > > Very friendly,

> > > > Finn Wandahl

> > > >

> > > > , " K Chandra Hari "

> > > > chandrahari81@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > When Kuja has become Maraka in Budha's house in 11th what if the

> > > native

> > > > > had died in Kuja dasa - Budha bhukti?

> > > > >

> > > > > Kuja owns 6th house and Budha owns 8th and 11th. 6th is the

> house of

> > > > > accident and injury and 11th is 6th from 6th. These are simple

> > > classical

> > > > > indications. Why to split the hair?

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

November 22, 2007

Mercury is not killer by the Maraka rule. But Mercury as 8th and 11th lord is worst malefic. So Mercury can cause accident. Death comes later. It is the accident that is wriiten in the chart and when death happens in young age - it is akaala mrtyu which need not be reflected in a chart in terms of killer.

And who is the Karak for luxury/ fast moving Vehicles?

For all luxury vehicles Venus may be Karaka. For all fast moving vehicles and erratic or accidental movements/driving Mercury is Karaka. , Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 wrote:>> Dear Wandahl,> You are right. Mercury can not be killer.> Venus is powerfully killer. It is placed in own and 7th house . It is aspected by both Ketu (represents mistakes and sudden events).> and Saturn. In Navamsa ,it is debilitated. In transit it again aspected by Saturn. Venus, Ketu and Saturn are together in transit.> If you will use True Citra AYANAMSA , YOUR prediction will further improve.Kindly give a try.> Regards,> > > G.K.GOEL> Ph: 09350311433> Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR> NEW DELHI-110 076> INDIA > > > > > Finn Wandahl finn.wandahl > Thursday, 22 November, 2007 1:55:40 AM> Re: Death due to accident--astrological reason (Clarification)> > Dear Mr. Chandra Hari,> > >>...What is the connection between Scorpio Lagna and ayanamsa here...<<> > Please, you yourself has mentioned that this man died in Kuja Dasa,> BUDHA Bhukti. But according to my calculation (based on Lahiri> ayanamsa) he died in Mars Dasa, VENUS bhukti. This means, either you> are introducing another ayanamsa here, or you have done some wrong> calculations.> > >>...Those who want to learn in the spirit of sastra must study them> seriously... <<> > Yes, I most certainly agree to this. But perhaps, contrary to all> others, you believe to have found out the only true spirit of sastra... > > >>...To play fraud on the public any ayanamsa will do along with> sociology psychology.. .<<> > Who is playing fraud on the public on ayanamsa? You or me? > > >>...This looks to be great wisdom. Application of mythology to> astrology = mystrology?. ..<<> > Astrology is in fact a cognitive science, which is very much based on> cosmology and mythology, no matter if we like it or not.> > Very friendly,> Finn Wandahl> > ancient_indian_ astrology, "K Chandra Hari"> <chandrahari81@ ...> wrote:> >> > > > Dear friend,> > > > What is the connection between Scorpio Lagna and ayanamsa here. I am not> > using any ayanamsa which will cause a change in Lagna. Elaboration is> > required for 'hair splitting with advanced techniques'. With the correct> > value of ayanamsa simple classical rules are sufficient. Who needs> > elaboration to understand that 6th lord signifies accident and 6th to> > 6th i.e. 11 as well. 6th lord in 11 th is a double cause for accident.> > For Scorpio Lagna, Mercury is greatly evil. Mercury is dispositor of> > Mars.> > > > Keep a little of the brain for some 'lateral' thinking and open mind. On> > Ayanamsa my work is added as file in the group and also the paper> > published in IJHS which disproves the Saha_Lahiri report on which> > validity of Citrapaksha is claimed. Those who want to learn in the> > spirit of sastra must study them seriously.> > > > To play fraud on the public any ayanamsa will do along with sociology> > and psychology.> > > > chandra hari> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Finn Wandahl"> > <finn.wandahl@ > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Mr. Chandra Hari,> > >> > > Please, if you want to argue in favour of the Scorpio Lagna, and to> > > introduce a different Ayanamsa at the same time, then you need to be> > > much more elaborate.> > >> > > Very friendly,> > > Finn Wandahl> > >> > >> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "K Chandra Hari"> > > chandrahari81@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > When Kuja has become Maraka in Budha's house in 11th what if the> > native> > > > had died in Kuja dasa - Budha bhukti?> > > >> > > > Kuja owns 6th house and Budha owns 8th and 11th. 6th is the house of> > > > accident and injury and 11th is 6th from 6th. These are simple> > classical> > > > indications. Why to split the hair?> > > >> > >> >> > > > > > Bollywood, fun, friendship, sports and more. You name it, we have it on http://in.promos./groups>

November 22, 2007

Dear Goal ji,

Wait a minute!! Who said Mercury is not a killer for Scorpio

Lagna?!! In the given chart -

* Mercury is lord of 8th House.

* Mercury is the lord of 22nd Drekkana as per Parivritti (Harmonics)

rule .

* The navamsa of Mercury falls in 6th house, which happens to be the

house of Lagna lord itself. " Lagna lagnesa sambandhal tal

bhavanubhava smrita " (If some combination is directly related to

Lagna or Lagna lord, that result indicated by that combination or

planet will fructify for sure)

If not the 8th lord, whom do you all think can cause death?! Mihira

says even exalted 8th lord can cause death then why not this mercury

who is the 22nd drekkana lorad as well?!

> Mercury is not killer by the Maraka rule.

Dear Goel ji, what is the Maraka rule you are talking about? Maraka

means 2nd and 7th lord. Are you using the word 'maraka' in some non-

standard, non-astrological meaning? By the way, note the following

point as well.

* If counted from Moon, Mercury is the 7th lord. Leghu Parasari

states - " Marakatvepi cha tayor maraka stana samstiti BUDHA stadanu

chandropi bhave tadanu tadhvidha " . Considering the whole sloka, the

If planets with Kendradhipatya owns the Maraka stana - i.e. 2nd or

7th house - benefic planets can cause worst results such as death in

proper Vimsottari Dasa. The sequence of danger would be in the order -

Ju=>Ve=>Me=>Mo. That is, when becomes Marka (HL of 2nd or 7th)

Jupiter is the most dangerous planet and Mo the least dangerous among

the benefics (causing the malefic effect 'Death'). Note that for Me

also the Maraka lordship is pretty dangerous. In the given chart Me

is the 7th lord from Moon, with the Kendradhipatya (lord of 10th

house as well). So along with all the benefic results, this Me can

surely cause death, as per classics.

Now to Hari's comment -

==>

> and when death happens in young age - it is akaala mrtyu which need

> not be reflected in a chart in terms of killer.

<==

I agree upto the point about 108 apamrityus and 1 kalamritu

concept. But won't agree to that in this case, because the

combination is clearly visible in the chart. Further I don't believe

it is ripe time to go to subjects like 108 apamrityus and 1 kalamritu

etc. In normal scenario, when some one dies (whether normal death or

apamritu/akala mritu, the same SHOULD be reflected in the chart with

CLEAR combinations - which is true in this case)

Regards,

Sreenadh

, " K Chandra Hari "

<chandrahari81 wrote:

>

> Mercury is not killer by the Maraka rule. But Mercury as 8th and

11th

> lord is worst malefic. So Mercury can cause accident. Death comes

later.

> It is the accident that is wriiten in the chart and when death

happens

> in young age - it is akaala mrtyu which need not be reflected in a

chart

> in terms of killer.

>

> And who is the Karak for luxury/ fast moving Vehicles?

>

> For all luxury vehicles Venus may be Karaka. For all fast moving

> vehicles and erratic or accidental movements/driving Mercury is

Karaka.

>

> , Gopal Goel

> <gkgoel1937@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Wandahl,

> > You are right. Mercury can not be killer.

> > Venus is powerfully killer. It is placed in own and 7th house .

It is

> aspected by both Ketu (represents mistakes and sudden events).

> > and Saturn. In Navamsa ,it is debilitated. In transit it again

> aspected by Saturn. Venus, Ketu and Saturn are together in transit.

> > If you will use True Citra AYANAMSA , YOUR prediction will further

> improve.Kindly give a try.

> > Regards,

> >

> > G.K.GOEL

> > Ph: 09350311433

> > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

> > NEW DELHI-110 076

> > INDIA

> >

> > Finn Wandahl finn.wandahl@

> >

> > Thursday, 22 November, 2007 1:55:40 AM

> > Re: Death due to

> accident--astrological reason (Clarification)

> >

> > Dear Mr. Chandra Hari,

> >

> > >>...What is the connection between Scorpio Lagna and ayanamsa

> here...<<

> >

> > Please, you yourself has mentioned that this man died in Kuja

Dasa,

> > BUDHA Bhukti. But according to my calculation (based on Lahiri

> > ayanamsa) he died in Mars Dasa, VENUS bhukti. This means, either

you

> > are introducing another ayanamsa here, or you have done some wrong

> > calculations.

> >

> > >>...Those who want to learn in the spirit of sastra must study

them

> > seriously... <<

> >

> > Yes, I most certainly agree to this. But perhaps, contrary to all

> > others, you believe to have found out the only true spirit of

> sastra...

> >

> > >>...To play fraud on the public any ayanamsa will do along with

> > sociology psychology.. .<<

> >

> > Who is playing fraud on the public on ayanamsa? You or me?

> >

> > >>...This looks to be great wisdom. Application of mythology to

> > astrology = mystrology?. ..<<

> >

> > Astrology is in fact a cognitive science, which is very much

based on

> > cosmology and mythology, no matter if we like it or not.

> >

> > Very friendly,

> > Finn Wandahl

> >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology, " K Chandra

Hari "

> > <chandrahari81@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear friend,

> > >

> > > What is the connection between Scorpio Lagna and ayanamsa here.

I am

> not

> > > using any ayanamsa which will cause a change in Lagna.

Elaboration

> is

> > > required for 'hair splitting with advanced techniques'. With the

> correct

> > > value of ayanamsa simple classical rules are sufficient. Who

needs

> > > elaboration to understand that 6th lord signifies accident and

6th

> to

> > > 6th i.e. 11 as well. 6th lord in 11 th is a double cause for

> accident.

> > > For Scorpio Lagna, Mercury is greatly evil. Mercury is

dispositor of

> > > Mars.

> > >

> > > Keep a little of the brain for some 'lateral' thinking and open

> mind. On

> > > Ayanamsa my work is added as file in the group and also the

paper

> > > published in IJHS which disproves the Saha_Lahiri report on

which

> > > validity of Citrapaksha is claimed. Those who want to learn in

the

> > > spirit of sastra must study them seriously.

> > >

> > > To play fraud on the public any ayanamsa will do along with

> sociology

> > > and psychology.

> > >

> > > chandra hari

> > >

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Finn

Wandahl "

> > > <finn.wandahl@ > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Mr. Chandra Hari,

> > > >

> > > > Please, if you want to argue in favour of the Scorpio Lagna,

and

> to

> > > > introduce a different Ayanamsa at the same time, then you

need to

> be

> > > > much more elaborate.

> > > >

> > > > Very friendly,

> > > > Finn Wandahl

> > > >

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " K Chandra

> Hari "

> > > > chandrahari81@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > When Kuja has become Maraka in Budha's house in 11th what

if the

> > > native

> > > > > had died in Kuja dasa - Budha bhukti?

> > > > >

> > > > > Kuja owns 6th house and Budha owns 8th and 11th. 6th is the

> house of

> > > > > accident and injury and 11th is 6th from 6th. These are

simple

> > > classical

> > > > > indications. Why to split the hair?

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> > Bollywood, fun, friendship, sports and more. You name it, we have

it

> on http://in.promos./groups

> >

>

November 22, 2007

Dear Mr. Goel,

>>...If you will use True Citra AYANAMSA , YOUR prediction will

further improve.Kindly give a try...<<

I think you may have misunderstood me. I always use Lahiri ayanamsa,

which is in fact the same as what you call Citra ayanamsa.

:-)

Finn Wandahl

, Gopal Goel

<gkgoel1937 wrote:

>

> Dear Wandahl,

> You are right. Mercury can not be killer.

> Venus is powerfully killer. It is placed in own and 7th house . It

is aspected by both Ketu (represents mistakes and sudden events).

> and Saturn. In Navamsa ,it is debilitated. In transit it again

aspected by Saturn. Venus, Ketu and Saturn are together in transit.

> If you will use True Citra AYANAMSA , YOUR prediction will further

improve.Kindly give a try.

> Regards,

>

> G.K.GOEL

> Ph: 09350311433

> Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

> NEW DELHI-110 076

> INDIA

>

> Finn Wandahl <finn.wandahl

>

> Thursday, 22 November, 2007 1:55:40 AM

> Re: Death due to

accident--astrological reason (Clarification)

>

> Dear Mr. Chandra Hari,

>

> >>...What is the connection between Scorpio Lagna and ayanamsa here...<<

>

> Please, you yourself has mentioned that this man died in Kuja Dasa,

> BUDHA Bhukti. But according to my calculation (based on Lahiri

> ayanamsa) he died in Mars Dasa, VENUS bhukti. This means, either you

> are introducing another ayanamsa here, or you have done some wrong

> calculations.

>

> >>...Those who want to learn in the spirit of sastra must study them

> seriously... <<

>

> Yes, I most certainly agree to this. But perhaps, contrary to all

> others, you believe to have found out the only true spirit of sastra...

>

> >>...To play fraud on the public any ayanamsa will do along with

> sociology psychology.. .<<

>

> Who is playing fraud on the public on ayanamsa? You or me?

>

> >>...This looks to be great wisdom. Application of mythology to

> astrology = mystrology?. ..<<

>

> Astrology is in fact a cognitive science, which is very much based on

> cosmology and mythology, no matter if we like it or not.

>

> Very friendly,

> Finn Wandahl

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, " K Chandra Hari "

> <chandrahari81@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear friend,

> >

> > What is the connection between Scorpio Lagna and ayanamsa here. I

am not

> > using any ayanamsa which will cause a change in Lagna. Elaboration is

> > required for 'hair splitting with advanced techniques'. With the

correct

> > value of ayanamsa simple classical rules are sufficient. Who needs

> > elaboration to understand that 6th lord signifies accident and 6th to

> > 6th i.e. 11 as well. 6th lord in 11 th is a double cause for accident.

> > For Scorpio Lagna, Mercury is greatly evil. Mercury is dispositor of

> > Mars.

> >

> > Keep a little of the brain for some 'lateral' thinking and open

mind. On

> > Ayanamsa my work is added as file in the group and also the paper

> > published in IJHS which disproves the Saha_Lahiri report on which

> > validity of Citrapaksha is claimed. Those who want to learn in the

> > spirit of sastra must study them seriously.

> >

> > To play fraud on the public any ayanamsa will do along with sociology

> > and psychology.

> >

> > chandra hari

> >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Finn Wandahl "

> > <finn.wandahl@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Mr. Chandra Hari,

> > >

> > > Please, if you want to argue in favour of the Scorpio Lagna, and to

> > > introduce a different Ayanamsa at the same time, then you need to be

> > > much more elaborate.

> > >

> > > Very friendly,

> > > Finn Wandahl

> > >

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " K Chandra Hari "

> > > chandrahari81@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > When Kuja has become Maraka in Budha's house in 11th what if the

> > native

> > > > had died in Kuja dasa - Budha bhukti?

> > > >

> > > > Kuja owns 6th house and Budha owns 8th and 11th. 6th is the

house of

> > > > accident and injury and 11th is 6th from 6th. These are simple

> > classical

> > > > indications. Why to split the hair?

> > > >

> > >

> Bollywood, fun, friendship, sports and more. You name it, we

have it on http://in.promos./groups

>

November 22, 2007

>>...For all luxury vehicles Venus may be Karaka. For all fast moving

vehicles and erratic or accidental movements/driving Mercury is

Karaka...<<

It is sometimes necessary to change the charts (Lagna) to fit the

rules, but we should not change rules to fit the charts...

:-)

Finn Wandahl

, " K Chandra Hari "

<chandrahari81 wrote:

>

> Mercury is not killer by the Maraka rule. But Mercury as 8th and 11th

> lord is worst malefic. So Mercury can cause accident. Death comes later.

> It is the accident that is wriiten in the chart and when death happens

> in young age - it is akaala mrtyu which need not be reflected in a chart

> in terms of killer.

>

> And who is the Karak for luxury/ fast moving Vehicles?

>

> For all luxury vehicles Venus may be Karaka. For all fast moving

> vehicles and erratic or accidental movements/driving Mercury is Karaka.

>

> , Gopal Goel

> <gkgoel1937@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Wandahl,

> > You are right. Mercury can not be killer.

> > Venus is powerfully killer. It is placed in own and 7th house . It is

> aspected by both Ketu (represents mistakes and sudden events).

> > and Saturn. In Navamsa ,it is debilitated. In transit it again

> aspected by Saturn. Venus, Ketu and Saturn are together in transit.

> > If you will use True Citra AYANAMSA , YOUR prediction will further

> improve.Kindly give a try.

> > Regards,

> >

> > G.K.GOEL

> > Ph: 09350311433

> > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

> > NEW DELHI-110 076

> > INDIA

> >

> > Finn Wandahl finn.wandahl@

> >

> > Thursday, 22 November, 2007 1:55:40 AM

> > Re: Death due to

> accident--astrological reason (Clarification)

> >

> > Dear Mr. Chandra Hari,

> >

> > >>...What is the connection between Scorpio Lagna and ayanamsa

> here...<<

> >

> > Please, you yourself has mentioned that this man died in Kuja Dasa,

> > BUDHA Bhukti. But according to my calculation (based on Lahiri

> > ayanamsa) he died in Mars Dasa, VENUS bhukti. This means, either you

> > are introducing another ayanamsa here, or you have done some wrong

> > calculations.

> >

> > >>...Those who want to learn in the spirit of sastra must study them

> > seriously... <<

> >

> > Yes, I most certainly agree to this. But perhaps, contrary to all

> > others, you believe to have found out the only true spirit of

> sastra...

> >

> > >>...To play fraud on the public any ayanamsa will do along with

> > sociology psychology.. .<<

> >

> > Who is playing fraud on the public on ayanamsa? You or me?

> >

> > >>...This looks to be great wisdom. Application of mythology to

> > astrology = mystrology?. ..<<

> >

> > Astrology is in fact a cognitive science, which is very much based on

> > cosmology and mythology, no matter if we like it or not.

> >

> > Very friendly,

> > Finn Wandahl

> >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology, " K Chandra Hari "

> > <chandrahari81@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear friend,

> > >

> > > What is the connection between Scorpio Lagna and ayanamsa here. I am

> not

> > > using any ayanamsa which will cause a change in Lagna. Elaboration

> is

> > > required for 'hair splitting with advanced techniques'. With the

> correct

> > > value of ayanamsa simple classical rules are sufficient. Who needs

> > > elaboration to understand that 6th lord signifies accident and 6th

> to

> > > 6th i.e. 11 as well. 6th lord in 11 th is a double cause for

> accident.

> > > For Scorpio Lagna, Mercury is greatly evil. Mercury is dispositor of

> > > Mars.

> > >

> > > Keep a little of the brain for some 'lateral' thinking and open

> mind. On

> > > Ayanamsa my work is added as file in the group and also the paper

> > > published in IJHS which disproves the Saha_Lahiri report on which

> > > validity of Citrapaksha is claimed. Those who want to learn in the

> > > spirit of sastra must study them seriously.

> > >

> > > To play fraud on the public any ayanamsa will do along with

> sociology

> > > and psychology.

> > >

> > > chandra hari

> > >

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Finn Wandahl "

> > > <finn.wandahl@ > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Mr. Chandra Hari,

> > > >

> > > > Please, if you want to argue in favour of the Scorpio Lagna, and

> to

> > > > introduce a different Ayanamsa at the same time, then you need to

> be

> > > > much more elaborate.

> > > >

> > > > Very friendly,

> > > > Finn Wandahl

> > > >

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " K Chandra

> Hari "

> > > > chandrahari81@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > When Kuja has become Maraka in Budha's house in 11th what if the

> > > native

> > > > > had died in Kuja dasa - Budha bhukti?

> > > > >

> > > > > Kuja owns 6th house and Budha owns 8th and 11th. 6th is the

> house of

> > > > > accident and injury and 11th is 6th from 6th. These are simple

> > > classical

> > > > > indications. Why to split the hair?

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> > Bollywood, fun, friendship, sports and more. You name it, we have it

> on http://in.promos./groups

> >

>

November 22, 2007

Dear Wandahl,

I have already posted you my article on Ayanamsa.

No doubt lahiri Ayanamsa is based on Star citra.However if you follow True Citra Ayanamsa,

THE SIDEREAL LONGITUDE OF CITRA SHOULD WORK OUT 180 DEG. ON ACCOUNT OF PROPER MOTION OF STAR CITRA ,

ITS longitude is reduced by 60" since 285 A.D.

LAHIRI'S ephemeris shows its longitude 179deg.59'3". Consequently .true Citra Ayanamsa can be obtained by reducing 57" in Lahiri

Ayanamsa.

This difference sometimes play vital role like constructing Varga charts ,Char karka Lopa, Mirtyu Bhaga etc.

I shall be frank with you ,when I started getting much better indications, only then I started advocating its use.

Astrology Magazine of Dr. Raman never go beyond navamsa in their in house articles,

If any better suggestion will come ,I am open to adopt it,

regards G.K.GOELPh: 09350311433Add: L-409, SARITA VIHARNEW DELHI-110 076INDIA

Finn Wandahl <finn.wandahl Sent: Thursday, 22 November, 2007 6:06:50 PM Re: Death due to accident--astrological reason (Clarification)

Dear Mr. Goel,>>...If you will use True Citra AYANAMSA , YOUR prediction willfurther improve.Kindly give a try...<<I think you may have misunderstood me. I always use Lahiri ayanamsa,which is in fact the same as what you call Citra ayanamsa.:-)Finn Wandahlancient_indian_ astrology, Gopal Goel<gkgoel1937@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Wandahl,> You are right. Mercury can not be killer.> Venus is powerfully killer. It is placed in own and 7th house . Itis aspected by both Ketu (represents mistakes and sudden events).> and Saturn. In Navamsa ,it is debilitated. In transit it againaspected by Saturn. Venus, Ketu and Saturn are together in transit.> If you will use True Citra

AYANAMSA , YOUR prediction will furtherimprove.Kindly give a try.> Regards,> > > G.K.GOEL> Ph: 09350311433> Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR> NEW DELHI-110 076> INDIA > > > > > Finn Wandahl <finn.wandahl@ ...>> ancient_indian_ astrology> Thursday, 22 November, 2007 1:55:40 AM> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Death due toaccident--astrologi cal reason (Clarification)> > Dear Mr. Chandra Hari,> > >>...What is the connection between Scorpio Lagna and ayanamsa here...<<> > Please, you yourself has mentioned that this man died in Kuja Dasa,> BUDHA Bhukti. But

according to my calculation (based on Lahiri> ayanamsa) he died in Mars Dasa, VENUS bhukti. This means, either you> are introducing another ayanamsa here, or you have done some wrong> calculations.> > >>...Those who want to learn in the spirit of sastra must study them> seriously... <<> > Yes, I most certainly agree to this. But perhaps, contrary to all> others, you believe to have found out the only true spirit of sastra... > > >>...To play fraud on the public any ayanamsa will do along with> sociology psychology.. .<<> > Who is playing fraud on the public on ayanamsa? You or me? > > >>...This looks to be great wisdom. Application of mythology to> astrology = mystrology?. ..<<> > Astrology is in fact a cognitive science, which is very much based on> cosmology and mythology, no

matter if we like it or not.> > Very friendly,> Finn Wandahl> > ancient_indian_ astrology, "K Chandra Hari"> <chandrahari81@ ...> wrote:> >> > > > Dear friend,> > > > What is the connection between Scorpio Lagna and ayanamsa here. Iam not> > using any ayanamsa which will cause a change in Lagna. Elaboration is> > required for 'hair splitting with advanced techniques'. With thecorrect> > value of ayanamsa simple classical rules are sufficient. Who needs> > elaboration to understand that 6th lord signifies accident and 6th to> > 6th i.e. 11 as well. 6th lord in 11 th is a double cause for accident.> > For Scorpio Lagna, Mercury is greatly evil. Mercury is dispositor of> > Mars.> > > > Keep a little of the brain for some 'lateral' thinking

and openmind. On> > Ayanamsa my work is added as file in the group and also the paper> > published in IJHS which disproves the Saha_Lahiri report on which> > validity of Citrapaksha is claimed. Those who want to learn in the> > spirit of sastra must study them seriously.> > > > To play fraud on the public any ayanamsa will do along with sociology> > and psychology.> > > > chandra hari> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Finn Wandahl"> > <finn.wandahl@ > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Mr. Chandra Hari,> > >> > > Please, if you want to argue in favour of the Scorpio Lagna, and to> > > introduce a different Ayanamsa at the same time, then you need to be> > > much more elaborate.> > >> > > Very

friendly,> > > Finn Wandahl> > >> > >> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "K Chandra Hari"> > > chandrahari81@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > When Kuja has become Maraka in Budha's house in 11th what if the> > native> > > > had died in Kuja dasa - Budha bhukti?> > > >> > > > Kuja owns 6th house and Budha owns 8th and 11th. 6th is thehouse of> > > > accident and injury and 11th is 6th from 6th. These are simple> > classical> > > > indications. Why to split the hair?> > > >> > >> >> > > > > > Bollywood, fun, friendship, sports and more. You name it, wehave it on http://in.promos. / groups>

Bring your gang together - do your thing. Start your group.

November 22, 2007

Dear Goel,

A number of years ago I made an extensive research on different values

of ayanamsa like Shil-ponde, BV Raman, Lahiri, Bradley, Cyril Fagan

etc.. I tested each one of them using 1) horoscopes having planets

near zero degrees in signs. I also tested them 2) with a very unique

nadi-methods of using Navamsa. And finally 3) I tested them with

Vimsottari Dasa.

My finding was that the planets near zero degrees of sign and the

Navamsa method gave most precise results with Lahiri ayanamsa.

However, when it came to Vimsottari Dasa, I actually found that

K.P.-Ayanamsa (followed by Krishnamurthi Padhdathi) gave best results.

So often important events tooks place almost exactly at the times when

there was a change of Dasa, bhukti or antara.

Actually, the difference between Lahiri and K.P. Ayanamsa is only 5-6

minutes of arch, which may be considered negligible. Anyway, I never

came any closer to a proper solution to this problem than this, but

for me this is quite satisfactory.

I only did this research to find out about this problem for myself. I

really don't care what others may have to say about it. I trust my own

astrological methods and therefore I will continue to use Lahiri

ayanamsa no matter what.

:-)

Finn Wandahl

, Gopal Goel

<gkgoel1937 wrote:

>

> Dear Wandahl,

> I have already posted you my article on Ayanamsa.

> No doubt lahiri Ayanamsa is based on Star citra.However if you

follow True Citra Ayanamsa,

> THE SIDEREAL LONGITUDE OF CITRA SHOULD WORK OUT 180 DEG. ON ACCOUNT

OF PROPER MOTION OF STAR CITRA ,

> ITS longitude is reduced by 60 " since 285 A.D.

> LAHIRI'S ephemeris shows its longitude 179deg.59'3 " . Consequently

..true Citra Ayanamsa can be obtained by reducing 57 " in Lahiri

> Ayanamsa.

> This difference sometimes play vital role like constructing Varga

charts ,Char karka Lopa, Mirtyu Bhaga etc.

> I shall be frank with you ,when I started getting much better

indications, only then I started advocating its use.

> Astrology Magazine of Dr. Raman never go beyond navamsa in their in

house articles,

> If any better suggestion will come ,I am open to adopt it,

> regards

>

> G.K.GOEL

> Ph: 09350311433

> Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

> NEW DELHI-110 076

> INDIA

>

> Finn Wandahl <finn.wandahl

>

> Thursday, 22 November, 2007 6:06:50 PM

> Re: Death due to

accident--astrological reason (Clarification)

>

> Dear Mr. Goel,

>

> >>...If you will use True Citra AYANAMSA , YOUR prediction will

> further improve.Kindly give a try...<<

>

> I think you may have misunderstood me. I always use Lahiri ayanamsa,

> which is in fact the same as what you call Citra ayanamsa.

>

> :-)

>

> Finn Wandahl

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, Gopal Goel

> <gkgoel1937@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Wandahl,

> > You are right. Mercury can not be killer.

> > Venus is powerfully killer. It is placed in own and 7th house . It

> is aspected by both Ketu (represents mistakes and sudden events).

> > and Saturn. In Navamsa ,it is debilitated. In transit it again

> aspected by Saturn. Venus, Ketu and Saturn are together in transit.

> > If you will use True Citra AYANAMSA , YOUR prediction will further

> improve.Kindly give a try.

> > Regards,

> >

> > G.K.GOEL

> > Ph: 09350311433

> > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

> > NEW DELHI-110 076

> > INDIA

> >

> > Finn Wandahl <finn.wandahl@ ...>

> > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > Thursday, 22 November, 2007 1:55:40 AM

> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Death due to

> accident--astrologi cal reason (Clarification)

> >

> > Dear Mr. Chandra Hari,

> >

> > >>...What is the connection between Scorpio Lagna and ayanamsa

here...<<

> >

> > Please, you yourself has mentioned that this man died in Kuja Dasa,

> > BUDHA Bhukti. But according to my calculation (based on Lahiri

> > ayanamsa) he died in Mars Dasa, VENUS bhukti. This means, either you

> > are introducing another ayanamsa here, or you have done some wrong

> > calculations.

> >

> > >>...Those who want to learn in the spirit of sastra must study them

> > seriously... <<

> >

> > Yes, I most certainly agree to this. But perhaps, contrary to all

> > others, you believe to have found out the only true spirit of

sastra...

> >

> > >>...To play fraud on the public any ayanamsa will do along with

> > sociology psychology.. .<<

> >

> > Who is playing fraud on the public on ayanamsa? You or me?

> >

> > >>...This looks to be great wisdom. Application of mythology to

> > astrology = mystrology?. ..<<

> >

> > Astrology is in fact a cognitive science, which is very much based on

> > cosmology and mythology, no matter if we like it or not.

> >

> > Very friendly,

> > Finn Wandahl

> >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology, " K Chandra Hari "

> > <chandrahari81@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear friend,

> > >

> > > What is the connection between Scorpio Lagna and ayanamsa here. I

> am not

> > > using any ayanamsa which will cause a change in Lagna.

Elaboration is

> > > required for 'hair splitting with advanced techniques'. With the

> correct

> > > value of ayanamsa simple classical rules are sufficient. Who needs

> > > elaboration to understand that 6th lord signifies accident and

6th to

> > > 6th i.e. 11 as well. 6th lord in 11 th is a double cause for

accident.

> > > For Scorpio Lagna, Mercury is greatly evil. Mercury is dispositor of

> > > Mars.

> > >

> > > Keep a little of the brain for some 'lateral' thinking and open

> mind. On

> > > Ayanamsa my work is added as file in the group and also the paper

> > > published in IJHS which disproves the Saha_Lahiri report on which

> > > validity of Citrapaksha is claimed. Those who want to learn in the

> > > spirit of sastra must study them seriously.

> > >

> > > To play fraud on the public any ayanamsa will do along with

sociology

> > > and psychology.

> > >

> > > chandra hari

> > >

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Finn Wandahl "

> > > <finn.wandahl@ > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Mr. Chandra Hari,

> > > >

> > > > Please, if you want to argue in favour of the Scorpio Lagna,

and to

> > > > introduce a different Ayanamsa at the same time, then you need

to be

> > > > much more elaborate.

> > > >

> > > > Very friendly,

> > > > Finn Wandahl

> > > >

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " K Chandra

Hari "

> > > > chandrahari81@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > When Kuja has become Maraka in Budha's house in 11th what if the

> > > native

> > > > > had died in Kuja dasa - Budha bhukti?

> > > > >

> > > > > Kuja owns 6th house and Budha owns 8th and 11th. 6th is the

> house of

> > > > > accident and injury and 11th is 6th from 6th. These are simple

> > > classical

> > > > > indications. Why to split the hair?

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> > Bollywood, fun, friendship, sports and more. You name it, we

> have it on http://in.promos. / groups

> Bring your gang together - do your thing. Go to

http://in.promos./groups

>

November 22, 2007

Dear Wandahi,

I fully appreciate your views.

One thing seems clear that Ayanamsa based on the assumption that citra is an opposite star to Sidereal zodiac is giving satisfactory

results.K.P, LAHIRI AND SOME OTHERS ARE BASED ON THIS ASSUMPTION.

If we take Citra as 180 deg. then fixing the ayanamsa value will be much easier.

Star catalogue FK-5 is an attempt to provide more accurate longitudes.Let astronomy do the measurement,

astrologers should try to pick up appropriate data from them.

My article on Vargottama is with you.In some nativities correct prediction could be possible with true Citra AYANAMSA ONLY.

This is the reason ,I am advocating this.

Prediction ,in any case , does not depend only on Ayanamsa

Regards, G.K.GOELPh: 09350311433Add: L-409, SARITA VIHARNEW DELHI-110 076INDIA

Finn Wandahl <finn.wandahl Sent: Thursday, 22 November, 2007 8:17:10 PM Re: Death due to accident--astrological reason (Clarification)

Dear Goel,A number of years ago I made an extensive research on different valuesof ayanamsa like Shil-ponde, BV Raman, Lahiri, Bradley, Cyril Faganetc.. I tested each one of them using 1) horoscopes having planetsnear zero degrees in signs. I also tested them 2) with a very uniquenadi-methods of using Navamsa. And finally 3) I tested them withVimsottari Dasa.My finding was that the planets near zero degrees of sign and theNavamsa method gave most precise results with Lahiri ayanamsa.However, when it came to Vimsottari Dasa, I actually found thatK.P.-Ayanamsa (followed by Krishnamurthi Padhdathi) gave best results.So often important events tooks place almost exactly at the times whenthere was a change of Dasa, bhukti or antara.Actually, the difference between Lahiri and K.P. Ayanamsa is only 5-6minutes of arch, which may be considered negligible. Anyway, I nevercame any closer to a

proper solution to this problem than this, butfor me this is quite satisfactory. I only did this research to find out about this problem for myself. Ireally don't care what others may have to say about it. I trust my ownastrological methods and therefore I will continue to use Lahiriayanamsa no matter what. :-)Finn Wandahlancient_indian_ astrology, Gopal Goel<gkgoel1937@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Wandahl,> I have already posted you my article on Ayanamsa.> No doubt lahiri Ayanamsa is based on Star citra.However if youfollow True Citra Ayanamsa,> THE SIDEREAL LONGITUDE OF CITRA SHOULD WORK OUT 180 DEG. ON ACCOUNTOF PROPER MOTION OF STAR CITRA ,> ITS longitude is reduced by 60" since

285 A.D.> LAHIRI'S ephemeris shows its longitude 179deg.59'3" . Consequently.true Citra Ayanamsa can be obtained by reducing 57" in Lahiri > Ayanamsa.> This difference sometimes play vital role like constructing Vargacharts ,Char karka Lopa, Mirtyu Bhaga etc.> I shall be frank with you ,when I started getting much betterindications, only then I started advocating its use.> Astrology Magazine of Dr. Raman never go beyond navamsa in their inhouse articles,> If any better suggestion will come ,I am open to adopt it,> regards> > G.K.GOEL> Ph: 09350311433> Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR> NEW DELHI-110 076> INDIA > > > > > Finn Wandahl <finn.wandahl@ ...>> ancient_indian_ astrology> Thursday, 22 November, 2007 6:06:50 PM> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Death due toaccident--astrologi cal reason (Clarification)> > Dear Mr.. Goel,> > >>...If you will use True Citra AYANAMSA , YOUR prediction will> further improve.Kindly give a try...<<> > I think you may have misunderstood me. I always use Lahiri ayanamsa,> which is in fact the same as what you call Citra ayanamsa.> > :-)> > Finn Wandahl> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Gopal Goel> <gkgoel1937@ ...> wrote:> >> > Dear Wandahl,> > You are right. Mercury can not be killer.> > Venus is powerfully killer. It is placed in own and 7th house . It> is aspected by

both Ketu (represents mistakes and sudden events).> > and Saturn.. In Navamsa ,it is debilitated. In transit it again> aspected by Saturn. Venus, Ketu and Saturn are together in transit.> > If you will use True Citra AYANAMSA , YOUR prediction will further> improve.Kindly give a try.> > Regards,> > > > > > G.K.GOEL> > Ph: 09350311433> > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR> > NEW DELHI-110 076> > INDIA > > > > > > > > > > Finn Wandahl <finn.wandahl@ ...>> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Thursday, 22 November, 2007 1:55:40 AM> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Death due to> accident--astrologi cal reason (Clarification)> > > > Dear Mr. Chandra Hari,> > > >

>>...What is the connection between Scorpio Lagna and ayanamsahere...<<> > > > Please, you yourself has mentioned that this man died in Kuja Dasa,> > BUDHA Bhukti. But according to my calculation (based on Lahiri> > ayanamsa) he died in Mars Dasa, VENUS bhukti. This means, either you> > are introducing another ayanamsa here, or you have done some wrong> > calculations.> > > > >>...Those who want to learn in the spirit of sastra must study them> > seriously... <<> > > > Yes, I most certainly agree to this. But perhaps, contrary to all> > others, you believe to have found out the only true spirit ofsastra... > > > > >>...To play fraud on the public any ayanamsa will do along with> > sociology psychology... .<<> > > > Who is playing fraud on the

public on ayanamsa? You or me? > > > > >>...This looks to be great wisdom. Application of mythology to> > astrology = mystrology?. ..<<> > > > Astrology is in fact a cognitive science, which is very much based on> > cosmology and mythology, no matter if we like it or not.> > > > Very friendly,> > Finn Wandahl> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "K Chandra Hari"> > <chandrahari81@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > > > > Dear friend,> > > > > > What is the connection between Scorpio Lagna and ayanamsa here. I> am not> > > using any ayanamsa which will cause a change in Lagna.Elaboration is> > > required for 'hair splitting with advanced techniques'. With the> correct> > > value of ayanamsa

simple classical rules are sufficient. Who needs> > > elaboration to understand that 6th lord signifies accident and6th to> > > 6th i.e. 11 as well. 6th lord in 11 th is a double cause foraccident.> > > For Scorpio Lagna, Mercury is greatly evil. Mercury is dispositor of> > > Mars.> > > > > > Keep a little of the brain for some 'lateral' thinking and open> mind. On> > > Ayanamsa my work is added as file in the group and also the paper> > > published in IJHS which disproves the Saha_Lahiri report on which> > > validity of Citrapaksha is claimed. Those who want to learn in the> > > spirit of sastra must study them seriously.> > > > > > To play fraud on the public any ayanamsa will do along withsociology> > > and psychology.> > > > > > chandra

hari> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Finn Wandahl"> > > <finn.wandahl@ > wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Mr. Chandra Hari,> > > >> > > > Please, if you want to argue in favour of the Scorpio Lagna,and to> > > > introduce a different Ayanamsa at the same time, then you needto be> > > > much more elaborate.> > > >> > > > Very friendly,> > > > Finn Wandahl> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "K ChandraHari"> > > > chandrahari81@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > When Kuja has become Maraka in Budha's house in 11th what if the>

> > native> > > > > had died in Kuja dasa - Budha bhukti?> > > > >> > > > > Kuja owns 6th house and Budha owns 8th and 11th. 6th is the> house of> > > > > accident and injury and 11th is 6th from 6th. These are simple> > > classical> > > > > indications.. Why to split the hair?> > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Bollywood, fun, friendship, sports and more. You name it, we> have it on http://in.promos. / groups> >> > > > > > Bring your gang together - do your thing. Go tohttp://in.promos. /

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November 22, 2007

Dear Goal ji,

Again that was a mistake - I thought that your previous mail is

related to the blind chart reading; but it was not.

Please consider my previous mail as deleted.

Love,

Sreenadh

, " Sreenadh "

<sreesog wrote:

>

> Dear Goal ji,

> Thanks for the attempt. We will wait and see what others has to

> say - and details would be revealed at the end.

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

> , Gopal Goel

> <gkgoel1937@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sreenadh,

> > Scorpio Lagna , mars is Neutral planet .As Mars is 1. aspected by

> Ketu 2. being lord of 64th navamsa 3.depositor is in 8th house ,IT

> CAN

> > BRING DEATH IN ITS MAJOR PERIOD.

> > If you take Moon sign , Mars becomes SUBHA LORD AND WILL NOT

KILL

> IN ITS MAJOR PERIOD.

> > MERCURY AND MOON IN ITS OWN HOUSE IN 7TH , ARE WEEK MARKA.

> > Mercuru in its own house in 8th house will not kill. 8TH HOUSE

is

> karka of ayus.

> > Regards,

> >

> > G.K.GOEL

> > Ph: 09350311433

> > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

> > NEW DELHI-110 076

> > INDIA

> >

> > Sreenadh <sreesog@>

> >

> > Thursday, 22 November, 2007 6:04:17 PM

> > Re: Death due to accident--

> astrological reason (Clarification)

> >

> > Dear Goal ji,

> > Wait a minute!! Who said Mercury is not a killer for Scorpio

> > Lagna?!! In the given chart -

> > * Mercury is lord of 8th House.

> > * Mercury is the lord of 22nd Drekkana as per Parivritti

> (Harmonics)

> > rule .

> > * The navamsa of Mercury falls in 6th house, which happens to be

> the

> > house of Lagna lord itself. " Lagna lagnesa sambandhal tal

> > bhavanubhava smrita " (If some combination is directly related to

> > Lagna or Lagna lord, that result indicated by that combination or

> > planet will fructify for sure)

> > If not the 8th lord, whom do you all think can cause death?!

Mihira

> > says even exalted 8th lord can cause death then why not this

> mercury

> > who is the 22nd drekkana lorad as well?!

> > > Mercury is not killer by the Maraka rule.

> > Dear Goel ji, what is the Maraka rule you are talking about?

Maraka

> > means 2nd and 7th lord. Are you using the word 'maraka' in some

non-

> > standard, non-astrological meaning? By the way, note the

following

> > point as well.

> > * If counted from Moon, Mercury is the 7th lord. Leghu Parasari

> > states - " Marakatvepi cha tayor maraka stana samstiti BUDHA

stadanu

> > chandropi bhave tadanu tadhvidha " . Considering the whole sloka,

the

> > If planets with Kendradhipatya owns the Maraka stana - i.e. 2nd

or

> > 7th house - benefic planets can cause worst results such as death

> in

> > proper Vimsottari Dasa. The sequence of danger would be in the

> order -

> > Ju=>Ve=>Me=> Mo. That is, when becomes Marka (HL of 2nd or 7th)

> > Jupiter is the most dangerous planet and Mo the least dangerous

> among

> > the benefics (causing the malefic effect 'Death'). Note that for

Me

> > also the Maraka lordship is pretty dangerous. In the given chart

Me

> > is the 7th lord from Moon, with the Kendradhipatya (lord of 10th

> > house as well). So along with all the benefic results, this Me

can

> > surely cause death, as per classics.

> > Now to Hari's comment -

> > ==>

> > > and when death happens in young age - it is akaala mrtyu which

> need

> > > not be reflected in a chart in terms of killer.

> > <==

> > I agree upto the point about 108 apamrityus and 1 kalamritu

> > concept. But won't agree to that in this case, because the

> > combination is clearly visible in the chart. Further I don't

> believe

> > it is ripe time to go to subjects like 108 apamrityus and 1

> kalamritu

> > etc. In normal scenario, when some one dies (whether normal death

> or

> > apamritu/akala mritu, the same SHOULD be reflected in the chart

> with

> > CLEAR combinations - which is true in this case)

> > Regards,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology, " K Chandra

> Hari "

> > <chandrahari81@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Mercury is not killer by the Maraka rule. But Mercury as 8th

and

> > 11th

> > > lord is worst malefic. So Mercury can cause accident. Death

comes

> > later.

> > > It is the accident that is wriiten in the chart and when death

> > happens

> > > in young age - it is akaala mrtyu which need not be reflected

in

> a

> > chart

> > > in terms of killer.

> > >

> > > And who is the Karak for luxury/ fast moving Vehicles?

> > >

> > > For all luxury vehicles Venus may be Karaka. For all fast moving

> > > vehicles and erratic or accidental movements/driving Mercury is

> > Karaka.

> > >

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Gopal Goel

> > > <gkgoel1937@ > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Wandahl,

> > > > You are right. Mercury can not be killer.

> > > > Venus is powerfully killer. It is placed in own and 7th

house .

> > It is

> > > aspected by both Ketu (represents mistakes and sudden events).

> > > > and Saturn. In Navamsa ,it is debilitated. In transit it again

> > > aspected by Saturn. Venus, Ketu and Saturn are together in

> transit.

> > > > If you will use True Citra AYANAMSA , YOUR prediction will

> further

> > > improve.Kindly give a try.

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > G.K.GOEL

> > > > Ph: 09350311433

> > > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

> > > > NEW DELHI-110 076

> > > > INDIA

> > > >

> > > > Finn Wandahl finn.wandahl@

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > Thursday, 22 November, 2007 1:55:40 AM

> > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Death due to

> > > accident--astrologi cal reason (Clarification)

> > > >

> > > > Dear Mr. Chandra Hari,

> > > >

> > > > >>...What is the connection between Scorpio Lagna and ayanamsa

> > > here...<<

> > > >

> > > > Please, you yourself has mentioned that this man died in Kuja

> > Dasa,

> > > > BUDHA Bhukti. But according to my calculation (based on Lahiri

> > > > ayanamsa) he died in Mars Dasa, VENUS bhukti. This means,

> either

> > you

> > > > are introducing another ayanamsa here, or you have done some

> wrong

> > > > calculations.

> > > >

> > > > >>...Those who want to learn in the spirit of sastra must

study

> > them

> > > > seriously... <<

> > > >

> > > > Yes, I most certainly agree to this. But perhaps, contrary to

> all

> > > > others, you believe to have found out the only true spirit of

> > > sastra...

> > > >

> > > > >>...To play fraud on the public any ayanamsa will do along

with

> > > > sociology psychology.. .<<

> > > >

> > > > Who is playing fraud on the public on ayanamsa? You or me?

> > > >

> > > > >>...This looks to be great wisdom. Application of mythology

to

> > > > astrology = mystrology?. ..<<

> > > >

> > > > Astrology is in fact a cognitive science, which is very much

> > based on

> > > > cosmology and mythology, no matter if we like it or not.

> > > >

> > > > Very friendly,

> > > > Finn Wandahl

> > > >

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " K

Chandra

> > Hari "

> > > > <chandrahari81@ ...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear friend,

> > > > >

> > > > > What is the connection between Scorpio Lagna and ayanamsa

> here.

> > I am

> > > not

> > > > > using any ayanamsa which will cause a change in Lagna.

> > Elaboration

> > > is

> > > > > required for 'hair splitting with advanced techniques'.

With

> the

> > > correct

> > > > > value of ayanamsa simple classical rules are sufficient.

Who

> > needs

> > > > > elaboration to understand that 6th lord signifies accident

> and

> > 6th

> > > to

> > > > > 6th i.e. 11 as well. 6th lord in 11 th is a double cause for

> > > accident.

> > > > > For Scorpio Lagna, Mercury is greatly evil. Mercury is

> > dispositor of

> > > > > Mars.

> > > > >

> > > > > Keep a little of the brain for some 'lateral' thinking and

> open

> > > mind. On

> > > > > Ayanamsa my work is added as file in the group and also the

> > paper

> > > > > published in IJHS which disproves the Saha_Lahiri report on

> > which

> > > > > validity of Citrapaksha is claimed. Those who want to learn

> in

> > the

> > > > > spirit of sastra must study them seriously.

> > > > >

> > > > > To play fraud on the public any ayanamsa will do along with

> > > sociology

> > > > > and psychology.

> > > > >

> > > > > chandra hari

> > > > >

> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Finn

> > Wandahl "

> > > > > <finn.wandahl@ > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Mr. Chandra Hari,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Please, if you want to argue in favour of the Scorpio

> Lagna,

> > and

> > > to

> > > > > > introduce a different Ayanamsa at the same time, then you

> > need to

> > > be

> > > > > > much more elaborate.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Very friendly,

> > > > > > Finn Wandahl

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " K

> Chandra

> > > Hari "

> > > > > > chandrahari81@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > When Kuja has become Maraka in Budha's house in 11th

what

> > if the

> > > > > native

> > > > > > > had died in Kuja dasa - Budha bhukti?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Kuja owns 6th house and Budha owns 8th and 11th. 6th is

> the

> > > house of

> > > > > > > accident and injury and 11th is 6th from 6th. These are

> > simple

> > > > > classical

> > > > > > > indications. Why to split the hair?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

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